People need to start looking into the evils of central banking rather than some minor effects on the environment they may cause... I don't know about you, but the air I breathe is pretty fresh.
My money however, is backed by nothing and is devalued every year.
I have stopped donating to Greenpeace, they are now a disgraceful political activist rabble. Greatest probability is that the electricity used in the creation of this video and the uploading to youtube, were all powered by coal fired power stations.
Sorry Greenpeace, I disagree with you here. If its not ANZ financing this industry it will be someone else. And if its not an Australian Bank financing this industry it will be an overseas one. Maybe you could try actually protesting the coal mining companies??! Go back to saving the Whales, seriously!
Death to the eco-tyrants!! Down with Greenpeace! Down with Big Brother! Down with the EPA! We cannot let these Luddites destroy our standard of living. The earth does not need a protector it is the height of arrogance to think that our puny industries can change the world.
GREEN PEACE GIVE IT A REST! NO ONE CARES ABOUT SHIT ALL I CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU FIGHT FOR IS THE WHALES, EVERYTHINK THAT YOU TALK ABOUT IN POWER AND STUFF IS BULL SHIT JUST GIVE IT A FUCKING REST!!! GO SAVE THE WHALES, DONT TRY TO MAKE SHIT UP ABOUT BANKS THAT DOESNT AFFECT SHIT! OH NO I USED 2 LIGH BULBS TODAY! SO FUCKINGG WHAT I BET YOU WILL FIND A PROBLEM ABOUT YOUTUBE SOON ASWELL
I realise Greenpeace put this info out, I just wondered if perhaps a competitor of anz had ensured this info became public knowledge. Sometimes businesses do crazy things to discredit a competitor, even if they are legitimate and true things.
Fuck off green peace. U shit me up the wall. Have u considered that ANZ is an international organization spread across Australia, New Zealand and much of Asia? Of course they have high emissions. Stick to what u do best and go spray a whaling boat with a hose
So who funded this smear campaign? This is just an attack on ANZ, not an attack on the industry that produces the energy you are using to watch this video. If they don't get whatever financial assistance they currently receive from ANZ, they will just get it from somewhere else. ANZ is just a bank, why the hell are you trying to hold them accountable? Sure they are 'evil greedy cunts' etc but that is their business - they are just a bank, like every other bank.
G'donya, Greenpeace!! I'm disgusted how the REAL COSTS to our environment and health are glossed over by supporters of fossil fuel.
The Australian Academy of Technological Sciences and Engineering's (ATSE) 2009 report titled, THE HIDDEN COSTS OF ELECTRICITY: Externalities of Power Generation in Australia has found that greenhouse and health damage costs for Australia is $A19/MWh for natural gas, $A42/MWh for black coal and $A52/MWh for brown coal.”
sounds like you and Al Gore and Tim Flannery have invested heavily in the renewable technologies. Greed motivates so many people.
If you have cheap effective renewables then i support you. If you dont then shut up and stop flapping your stupid trap. Stop trying to send us back to the dark ages and stop lying to people about the effects of CO2 on the planet.
Plants need it...its ,039% of our atmosphere....you guys are dinosaurs.
19,000 viewings already, amazing. So many people concerned about polluting coal infrastructure and our need to move to renewable energy. Great to see the likes of Malcolm Turnbull and Bob Carr fully behind the Beyond Zero Emmissions initiatives.
Spain to be 40% base load by solar by 2020. It's all happening. Thank god they won't have to face nuclear nightmares like the people of Northern Japan now. My heart goes out to them.
Chris Horner at the Planet Gore blog reports on how the Spanish govt is now reluctantly pulling the plug on the environmentalist schemes that Obama and other environmentalists have held up as a role model. This is of course partly because the Spanish government faces a fiscal crisis and so faces pressure to cut back spending on everything, but it is also because it has been proven to be exceedingly expensive in relation to supposed benefits.
We should burn natural gas. Its cheaper, plentiful, and creates far less polution. I don't know why we don't!
Australia as a whole create something like 1% of all carbon emissions. China makes roughly %30 of the worlds carbon emissions. So why should we run ourselves and our country broke for something that we won't make a dent in?
Excellent video. It's so important to expose the hypocrisy of greenwash by big corporations. The main issue here is that we should not, under any circumstances, be building new coal power stations and it is the responsibility of ANZ, as a company that claims to act sustainably, to not invest in this old, unsafe power source.
Top work Greenpeace. We've built our last coal fired power station and ANZ knows it. Just takes a while to sink in. Time to invest in solar big time like the wise Spanish government is doing. Beyond Zero Emmissions is getting the word out with assistance from Malcolm Turnbull and Bob Carr. It's all happening. 17,000 have viewed this video already, wow, people are really getting behind this action.
catch up folk, solar thermal power with molten salt storage CAN produce baseload power (24 hours a day). It's currently being rolled out on a mass scale in many countries around Australia. Only a flawed economic system that ignores basic concepts of COST (health, social, environmental costs etc) calculates the cost of ANZ dirty coal to be cheaper than cleaner, renewable energy
catch up folk, solar thermal power with molten salt storage CAN produce baseload power (24 hours a day). It's currently being rolled out on a mass scale in many countries around Australia. Only a flawed economic system that ignores basic concepts of COST (health, social, environmental costs etc) calculates the cost of ANZ dirty coal to be cheaper than cleaner, renewable energy
@boxedmuz sorry, 'being roled out in many countries around THE WORLD (including Spain), unfortunately due to pathetic governance and corporate power we are yet to see such a roll out in Australia
Thank you Greenpeace for proving to us all you are no different than Nazis when it comes to propaganda and poisoning the minds of children, fire and brimstone crap this video is, it is designed to scare children into believing something that is not true. At least during WWII there was a war on, and it was legal shoot dead a Nazi. DontCopIt. com DontCopIt from Greenpeace conditioning your childrens minds with poison. Care for your environment, and care for your kids and denounce this crap!
Once again, Greenpeace tries to terrify children with scientifically illiterate climate catastrophism. The real danger today is not to our planet but to our reason.
At last some focus on the financiers- coal being the most climate-altering option for electricity generation, ANZ needs to be held accountable for their backwards-looking and destructive investment strategy.
We in Australia are sacrificing our best, fertile farmland in the Liverpool Plains to huge open cut coal mines, -farmers aren't happy about it- and sooner or later we will figure out you can't eat coal- by then it will be too late, so we need to stop, shift away sooner rather than later.
At last some focus on the financiers- coal being the most climate-altering option for electricity generation, ANZ needs to be held accountable for their backwards-looking and destructive investment strategy.
We in Australia are sacrificing our best, fertile farmland in the Liverpool Plains to huge open cut coal mines, -farmers aren't happy about it- and sooner or later we will figure out you can't eat coal- by then it will be too late, so we need to stop, shift away sooner rather than later.
@meraxes75 Thanks very much for your support! Alas no, we believe the solution to climate change and polluting coal power is to invest in large-scale renewable energy projects, not nuclear. Nuclear is dangerous, expensive, and environmentally damaging - there's no solution to radioactive waste and the emissions saved is not even near the vicinity that can be saved by using renewable energy.
@GreenpeaceAustralia You would think you could get your facts straight. The emissions saved compared to the cost from nuclear power is better than any other form of energy. Have you actually considered the emissions produced to make a solar panel? Or the harmful chemicals that they use? Expensive? It's cheaper per kW than any other "clean" source of power (solar / wind etc). Stop lying to people eh?
The irony is, that little girls oxygen mask must be attached to a power source and that power source is generated by the coal mining that Greenpeace is so anti....
ONE of Australia's most influential business leaders, ANZ chief executive Mike Smith, has delivered a savage attack on Julia Gillard, declaring her party had joined the "weak government club" of the world.
In an extraordinary Sydney speech, Mr Smith criticised almost every major government policy, especially tax, carbon tax and infrastructure, as well as its association with the Greens.
Another pathetic brain washing attempt to distort the minds of ordinary Australians by unenlightened enviromentalists who have an ideological commitment to cripple economies and destroy capitalism.
There is no need to destroy capitalism. It is destroying itself quite nicely without any help. In fact, all it takes to destroy capitalism is for governments to deregulate it, and never help any industry ever again. Within a decade it will be over. Governments can survive without capitalism, but capitalism cannot survive without governments. Ultimately, capitalism is a guest at the table, who behaves very badly.
@formless777 And we are all guests on this planet, and sometimes this planet behaves very badly and will shake us off like a bad case of dandruff. Unenlightened self interest does not hold sway with me and the insane green policies of the new religion of alarmists and insane warmists will ultimately fail as the lies and deceit are discovered by all.
Erm, we aren't guests on this planet. We were raised here, and have no other home to go to. But yes, the planet's natural systems will cause at least the destruction of our current civilization and most human populations if we ignore them. It's not religion, nor thankfully is it yet fact, what it is, is a projection of the reaction of natural systems to the current trend in rising temperatures, based on huge amounts of data collected over the last 160 years.
@formless777 Guests we most certainly are, the planet has been here 4.5 billion years and we have been here a mere 200,000 give or take a decade, industrialisation approx 200 years! The Earth warms and it cools, the climate has changed for millions of yrs, some species survive, some don't. If you wish to believe data collected from the past 160 years versus the previous 4.5 billion then go right ahead. We have been here less than a minute of Earth's overall history, we are renting space!
Let me put it another way for you... if we were guests we could leave.
Next. The records I am referring to represent only 160 years of human scientific research, which is how we even know the planet is 4.5 billion y/o. Whenever climate has fluctuated in the past, there has been a pretty clear evidence based indicator as to why it occurred, as is the case today, of course you say that this is scaremongering when the evidence is pretty damn clear that we are the cause this time.
@formless777 That is just the point, the evidence is not clear as climate change has occured with or without humans to blame. It is in fact scaremongering by alarmists whose exaggerations of a fiery earth to scare people into accepting radical plans to cripple economies and restrict freedom.The planet has survived a lot more than what human beings can throw at it: earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, continental drift, asteroids, meteors, sunspots, floods, bushfires etc Mother nature rules not us.
Are these people real who make these adverse comments on the great work being done by Greenpeace? I meet very few of these in my daily life, which makes me believe they are paid agents of the polluters. Wonderful work Greenpeace.
Excellent video. It's so important to expose the hypocrisy of greenwash by big corporations. The main issue here is that we should not, under any circumstances, be building new coal power stations and it is the responsibility of ANZ, as a company that claims to act sustainably, to not invest in this old, unsafe power source.
It really hits home when you hear from real people whose lives and health are directly affected by the coal industry. See "The Hidden Cost of Coal"
The hypocrisy. Anyone here who has ever used energy, is also 'supporting' the coal industry through their everyday living. Does greenpeace really think that living in darkness is the answer or what is their answer to provide baseload power output -remembering all the renewable sources are not capable of providing this?
@JustinMurphy1977 Um... haven't you heard of GREENPOWER ???? I don't live in a cave, or in darkness, and I use a computer... WITHOUT COAL ... it's been around for years, get with the program. Ask your electricity provider, and ask them why they haven't told you about it !
Are you really that stupid? Are you honestly trying to say we could power all of Australia on renewable energy right now? Time to wake up and face reality mate.
Thanks to ANZ for helping fund those companies that supply us with low cost heat, light and power - enabling all the wonderful advances in our standards of living. Freeing us from short harsh lives of hard labour and ignorance - providing us with healthcare, education, entertainment, and more time to spend with loved ones. Thanks ANZ.
@MMGWsceptic Don't you mean "Future generations: Go F*@k yourselves" ??? Whose living standards have they improved? They certainly haven't freed you from ignorance.
By your logic, my ancestors living as paupers in London in the 1700's, should have gone without heat and light, just in case it made the weather slightly warmer during my tropical holiday in 2010. Yeah - how irresponsible of them.
Future generations can look after themselves - they'll be better off than you or I can imagine.
You useless greens never see poor people suffering here and now - too busy pretending to care about people 100 yrs from now. Pathetic.
@charbonou2 It's relatively cheap compared to your "greenpower". Why do you think you pay extra? Of coarse wind and solar is subsidised we all know that. It doesn't receive as much as fossil fuels because it doesn't produce baseload power. Does your power come through the same transmission line as everyone else? If so it is exactly the same electricity. You're just making a donation to a power company to feel smug. Wind needs coal fired back-up. You are not stopping a single lump being burned.
There are some brilliant alternative energy systems coming on line around the world. Wave power is ready to come online. Geothermal no longer requires a volcanic "hot rock" heat source. Wind Power is ready to go too. Solar is making huge advances daily, and there are some amazing patents being finalized involving photosynthesis mechanisms. There is no need or excuse for coal or nuclear energy. Lets stop killing ourselves and our grand kids with these old mistakes, (even for profit).
sorry to have to inform you of facts but windpower killed 44 people over the last 10 years. Nuclear ?? 7.
Your wishlist of renewables are unsuccessful as yet and when they are useful and competitively priced they will be taken up by the market.
You invoke extreme visions of "killing ourselves and our grand kids" you want to take us back to the dark ages where electricity wasnt the force for good it is now and then u will see some deaths.
And if you wait 12 months until the Fukushima related cancer deaths start coming in, your figures will tell a different story again.
As to the testing of alternatives, the new geothermal methods were well tested in Iceland, wind power is fully operational, wave power is tested and will float on the Stock Market this year.
As to the dark ages example, dumb, science made this mess and will clean it up too.
I support a tax on all economic externalities and fuck your corporate agenda.
@formless777 Yes, we're all waiting for Greenpeace to blame every death in Japan on the damn power plant. Just what Japan needs right now, fearmongerers butting in with fabricated doomsday garbage while holding a geiger counter and wearing white suits and masks for extra dramatic effect.
lol. Fukushima will kill no one...maybe 1-2 if you are lucky. Chernobyl killed 65 people in total. in the mean time you have added to global emissions through your rejection of nuclear energy which forced us to remain with coal for baseload power.
As for geothermal...Flannery's company has been a flop despite a $90 mill handout from the government. Wave power....good stuff let us know when its successful and cost efficient and we will use it.
You're a straight out liar. First up you are completely ignoring the enormous amounts of fossil fuel and the 12 year lead time for a nuclear plant to begin operation. You'd be better off using the thousands of liters of petrol directly, as at least it doesn't bombard you with high energy neutrons. As to Chernobyl, you are neglecting the millions of animals that were destroyed and the fact that the entire area is still uninhabitable, and that my great uncle was one of the dead.
@arsjth Sorry, but the idea that Chernobyl killed only 65 people is ridiculous. Nuclear radiation hangs around for a VERY LONG TIME.
A 2006 IPPNW study found between 12,000 & 83,000 children born with congenital deformations in the region of Chernobyl. The Chernobyl Forum (a group of UN agencies) says that about 9,000 related deaths have occurred & some 200,000 people have illnesses caused by the accident. Other reports put the figures much higher
All you weird pre-war technology coal fetishists are just anti-progress luddites, man.. get with the times.. renewable energy is science-fiction come real.. you're probably into typewriters and think 9 out of 10 doctors recommend Marlboro.
...and finally... Maybe I didn't write this as clearly as I could have, but I DON'T believe we should spend the next 50 years burning fossil fuels until they are gone. I wanted to simply show ideas that people often don't really think about. Its not quite so black and white. some of these mentioned ideas have great potential but like everything in life, nothing is perfect
You deniers are too funny. It's so obvious you are just staff members in fossil fuel corporations. In whose interest do you write your ridiculous lies?
Coal causes climate change which CAUSES poverty and death. Climate change is bad for economies, therefore coal is bad for economies and bad for the poor.
There are alternatives to coal which are clean and safe. These are things like baseload solar thermal power, wind power, and developing technologies like wave and tidal power.
Is Professor Richard Linzen a denier in the pay of fossil fuel companies? you guys have a conspiracy theory for everything.
The temperature of the world has not increased in 30 years and co2 has. what direct link could be proven between the two? you cant even start to pretend there is one.
Please dont panic your children about something that will never happen, dont make them afraid of their future.
You don't have to be on someone's payroll to be wrong. While we can be happy it isn't soaring, the fact is, the global average temperature has increased steadily since 1900, is now consistently half a degree warmer across the ENTIRE WORLD, with localized weather conditions often being far more extreme in their average annual and 5 year variations, and palaeoclimatology i.e. climate archaeology tells us this is a long way from normal. Be deeply concerned, next the reefs start dying.
good on Greenpeace for showing the real ANZ. As for the comment by cavalierjon, your a tool. You would probably prefer if everything was covered in concrete, and we all were capitalist bully boys.
Excellent Video - banks are two faced when saying they are helping the environment, yet turn around and finance environmentally destructive industry. The ACCC should investigate them for greenwashing. I for one will not be using any ANZ products.
Well done Greenpeace! Hitting them where it hurts. The fact is you can't be environmentally friendly when you're investing in polluting businesses behind the scenes. For all those getting angry at Greenpeace - don't shoot the messenger! Don't you care about people's health and the health of the environment we depend on? And if not why not? Particularly when your own prosperity relies on it. II'd say Greenpeace's values of family and nation are stronger than you self-interested lot.
such fools.They dont invest in polluting businesses they lend to those who wish to create coal mines etc. Then they sell that coal all around the world to fuel cheap affordable reliable electricity.
China will pump out more CO2 in a week than we will in a year. If u think that will stop in China u are as dim as you seem. China will laugh as Australia shoots itself in the foot with a carbon tax that penalizes its own businesses, while theirs prosper.
@arsjth: You may want to check your facts and make sure you're not making a fool of yourself before accusing other people of being dim. China already taxes coal, oil and gas extraction. (Facts are your friend).
@Sienna291973 - absolute garbage. Power stations have almost zero pollution coming out of the stacks because of their scrubbers and filters also the issue about the carbon is wrong. It's carbon dioxide a gas not carbon a solid and no plant on earth can survive with out it. Greenpeace are flat lying scum.
Greenpeace is using electricity to make and distribute this video, no doubt powered by coal. They use ships powered by oil based fuels. Why not work with ANZ to develop better fuels. A combination of solar, geothermal, water, and thorium nuclear energy is the way to go. Invest in the future of tomorrow, don't whine about it.
@TheLendiel I don't doubt for one second that the electricity used by Greenpeace is NOT powered by coal - haven't you heard of Greenpower? In fact I would be willing to bet my life savings on it !! ANZ is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Whether it's investing in Gunns (logging) or investing in coal, they've shown time and time again that they put profit before people and the planet.
@charbonou2 I am viewing this video via coal power as I do not have greenpower, as do probably 99% of those who view it. Those who can afford greenpower no doubt made their money through some venture. I want solar power but cannot afford it. Greenpeace wants more people to view this video, means more power use generated by coal. Coal is not the answer but at the moment it is the cheapest. If greens would get off their high horse about nuclear energy the world would be better. Research thorium.
@TheLendiel I pay for 100% Greenpower at home - it's a whopping $6 per month extra on my electricity bill. Coal is not the cheapest - here in Australia the average taxpayer pays around $700 per year in subsidies to fossil fuels. (that's a lot more than $6 per month!) Per megawatt, with no subsidies, Wind (followed by wave) is the most cost-efficient form of electricity production.
@charbonou2 The reason you pay so little is because of the subsidies paid to green energy at the moment, look at solar installation. Do the math of how much wind power is needed, how much land, how much wind etc. Green can run homes but at the moment wont run everything else. Wave is so much to set up. You are talking about paying so much to get the same right now, where is the money coming from?
@TheLendiel Fossil fuels in Australia receive around 28 times as much government subsidies as Renewables and energy efficiency combined. So the reason coal-power costs "so little" is because our taxes pay polluters to pollute....
@charbonou2 If there was no subsidy there would be no tax. No subsidy to oil then we would not pay fuel excise. The gov makes more money taxing then giving in subsidy but that encourages jobs etc. AGain my point is work towards a goal. You people want to shut down coal energy therefore giving no one energy. Who has a 5KW system on their roof with batteries at night. Things take time not everyone had PC's 20 years ago, the same will be for renewable. Just stop whining and help towards a solution
I hope ANZ sues the pants of your lying arses you totalitarian eco-fascist extremists!
This video motivates me to go an open an ANZ account. It's so sad when an organisation like you pretends to be environmental when all you are is political!
Some valid points but people assume that if you call it a 'green energy' it is perfect to replace coal.
wind power is inefficient, varying and has been given freedom to build industry on our otherwise PROTECTED coastlines. Solar has potential but is still expensive. nuclear is scary and emits toxic waste. Geothermal cools the earth and can emit toxic gas. Wave power couldn't run a radio... There are drawbacks to shutting down our coal stations too early. one of which... we will have no power!
@mountainman31 - I am simply pointing out the problems with the idea of ceasing funding to coal, too abruptly. People say "green energy" but don't understand that there are negative issues relating to these 'green' ideas as well. I realise there are many positives with all of these [except maybe wind :)
Re: Geothermal, toxic gases embedded in the earth can be emitted when the pipes are drilled deep into the earth. hydrogen sulfide can also be emitted with the steam. Can't b put in many climates
There are a many types of wave power and my exaggerated comment shouldn’t be taken literally (A wave generator definitely could power a small radio). Wave generation runs at less than 20% efficiency from what I have read, though I am no expert so crosscheck this. This is when waves are at their peak (not often). When compared to their embodied energy (or the energy it takes to manufacture, distribute, construct and run the machine) their output over their life is of minimal benefit.
WHat a disgrace! You greens hate prosperity and success. If it were up to you we would be a 3rd world country. Targeting businesses in this way is despicable and typical of extremists.
Gillard says you are extremists with out the love of family....she is 100% right.
Excellent work! ANZ's not going to like this one. Speaking truth to power. There really is no reason why ANZ has to keep investing in a technology and a fuel that is destroying lives and livelihoods all over the world.
"investing in a technology and a fuel that is destroying lives and livelihoods all over the world"
honestly you embarrass yourself. you know why China is opening one coal fired power station a week dont you? Because to be without cheap power is death. They want to live like westerners and not like paupers in the dark ages. Coal mining creates jobs for unskilled workers.
I will personally support ANZ against this insidious extreme and unfamily friendly video.
@arsjth Don't you know that for every new coal station China builds, they also build over 160 wind turbines??? Don't you know wind is cheaper than coal? You're either part of the solution or part of the problem - ANZ is definitely part of the problem. How are they helping your family?
Oh dear. They are building an opening two new coal mines a week and putting up 160 wind turbines for each one.
I am quite happy to do the same here in australia. for each new coal mine we put up 160 ugly sound polluting useless wind turbines.
Meanwhile china soaks up our coal and iron ore resources because they know that cheap fuel is the way to prosperity for their people. ANZ finance coal mines which sell to China so their people escape poverty. Well done ANZ.
@arsjth Actually China have planned to cap their coal usage to 4 billion tonnes by 2015 (they're already at 3.25Mt). Their least efficient coal plant is more efficient than Australia's most efficient one. They already tax fossil fuels and will be introducing an ETS next year. They have an emissions reduction target of 40-45% (compared to Australia's 4%) and in 2012 they will reach 11.5% renewable electricity target (compared to Australia's current 5.2%). We have a long way to go to catch up.
"Their least efficient coal plant is more efficient than Australia's most efficient one."
spoken like someone who has never been there and choked on the filthy pollution they pump out into the air. I have been and couldnt see more than 1 km away. You are holding up china as a Banner of environmentalism when they are in fact making fools of you. China is massively increasing emissions & will continue to do so.
@arsjth I am countering the argument that "anything we do is pointless as it will all be eclipsed by China". Look it up - their "one new coal plant per week" that they build replaces one of their most inefficient ones. Their least efficient plant is still more efficient than our MOST efficient one. You're also ignoring the fact that on a per capita basis, Australia produces MANY times more pollution than China does.
"Alarming Increase In Expected Growth of China's CO2 Emissions
by Barry Jagoda
La Jolla CA (SPX) Mar 11, 2008
The growth in China's carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions is far outpacing previous estimates, making the goal of stabilizing atmospheric greenhouse gases much more difficult, according to a new analysis by economists at the University of California, Berkeley, and UC San Diego.
The researchers' most conservative forecast predicts that by 2010, there will be an increase of 600m metric tons of co2 emissions in China over the country's levels in 2000. This growth from China alone would dramatically overshadow the 116m metric tons of co2 emissions reductions pledged by all the developed countries in the Kyoto Protocol. (The USA was the largest single emitter of carbon dioxide until 2006, when China took over that distinction, according to numerous reports.)
@arsjth What's your point? The world is screwed anyway, so we may as well keep polluting? Everyone knows Kyoto was only a token gesture.... (which is why it's so pathetic that Australia wouldn't even sign). We need 80% emission cuts by yesterday.
"Put another way, the projected annual increase in China alone over the next several years is greater than the current emissions produced by either Great Britain or Germany.
Based upon these findings, the authors say current global warming forecasts are "overly optimistic," and that action is urgently needed to curb greenhouse gas production in China and other rapidly industrializing countries."
make up the stories that suit u. The truth is worse than u imagine.
@YCANvideo "....destroying lives and livelihoods all over the world" without power stations you would be freezing your tiny nuts off and you wouldn't be able to log on to Youtube either or eat a cooked meal. Do you drive a car? Listen to music? Wear clothes? How were these made? Whose lives are they destroying? They provide literally thousands and thousands of jobs as well. Tell me of a sustainable viable equivalent power supply available today.
@YCANvideo - you greenies really don't think things through do you? Little wonder that there's less and less people giving your rantings any credence when nothing you tools come up with is thought out. Your alleged alternatives just aren't viable but hell no don't put all that money into developing a real alternative lets just whack into anything as long as we do something if it doesn't work at least we tried, right?
Utter propaganda from the eco loons. Atmospheric co2 enrichment benefits all life on our cooling Planet.
david222444 1 month ago
People need to start looking into the evils of central banking rather than some minor effects on the environment they may cause... I don't know about you, but the air I breathe is pretty fresh.
My money however, is backed by nothing and is devalued every year.
LibertarianChristian 1 month ago 2
I have stopped donating to Greenpeace, they are now a disgraceful political activist rabble. Greatest probability is that the electricity used in the creation of this video and the uploading to youtube, were all powered by coal fired power stations.
EvilRoySlad3 6 months ago 3
Heres one way you idiots can save the planet:
1. Plant a tree.
2. Shoot yourself standing under it.
3. Your decomposing body will fertilise it.
Grunt9857675 7 months ago 6
Sorry Greenpeace, I disagree with you here. If its not ANZ financing this industry it will be someone else. And if its not an Australian Bank financing this industry it will be an overseas one. Maybe you could try actually protesting the coal mining companies??! Go back to saving the Whales, seriously!
spiderman1572 7 months ago
Death to the eco-tyrants!! Down with Greenpeace! Down with Big Brother! Down with the EPA! We cannot let these Luddites destroy our standard of living. The earth does not need a protector it is the height of arrogance to think that our puny industries can change the world.
fightingwolf18 9 months ago 6
GREEN PEACE GIVE IT A REST! NO ONE CARES ABOUT SHIT ALL I CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU FIGHT FOR IS THE WHALES, EVERYTHINK THAT YOU TALK ABOUT IN POWER AND STUFF IS BULL SHIT JUST GIVE IT A FUCKING REST!!! GO SAVE THE WHALES, DONT TRY TO MAKE SHIT UP ABOUT BANKS THAT DOESNT AFFECT SHIT! OH NO I USED 2 LIGH BULBS TODAY! SO FUCKINGG WHAT I BET YOU WILL FIND A PROBLEM ABOUT YOUTUBE SOON ASWELL
FUCK YOU!!
daewonskate 10 months ago 6
@daewonskate Calm down. It's not good for your health to get upset like that.
FaultAndDakranon 9 months ago
I realise Greenpeace put this info out, I just wondered if perhaps a competitor of anz had ensured this info became public knowledge. Sometimes businesses do crazy things to discredit a competitor, even if they are legitimate and true things.
christmas09able 10 months ago
Fuck off green peace. U shit me up the wall. Have u considered that ANZ is an international organization spread across Australia, New Zealand and much of Asia? Of course they have high emissions. Stick to what u do best and go spray a whaling boat with a hose
miklew1 10 months ago 4
lul lul saw the huge poster "ANZ is polluting your work" on front of the main ANZ building today XD Go green peace!
WemenPhobia 10 months ago
Global warming is a fraud. Everyone must watch 'Global Warming or Global Governance'. It's free here on youtube. It exposes everything.
sniper479 10 months ago 2
So who funded this smear campaign? This is just an attack on ANZ, not an attack on the industry that produces the energy you are using to watch this video. If they don't get whatever financial assistance they currently receive from ANZ, they will just get it from somewhere else. ANZ is just a bank, why the hell are you trying to hold them accountable? Sure they are 'evil greedy cunts' etc but that is their business - they are just a bank, like every other bank.
Hezath 10 months ago 2
if your going to attack the company who is financing them why not attack the countries that are also financing the mining industry.
vancejones88 10 months ago
G'donya, Greenpeace!! I'm disgusted how the REAL COSTS to our environment and health are glossed over by supporters of fossil fuel.
The Australian Academy of Technological Sciences and Engineering's (ATSE) 2009 report titled, THE HIDDEN COSTS OF ELECTRICITY: Externalities of Power Generation in Australia has found that greenhouse and health damage costs for Australia is $A19/MWh for natural gas, $A42/MWh for black coal and $A52/MWh for brown coal.”
We need 100% renewable energy NOW!!
Muso57 10 months ago
@Muso57
"We need 100% renewable energy NOW!!"
sounds like you and Al Gore and Tim Flannery have invested heavily in the renewable technologies. Greed motivates so many people.
If you have cheap effective renewables then i support you. If you dont then shut up and stop flapping your stupid trap. Stop trying to send us back to the dark ages and stop lying to people about the effects of CO2 on the planet.
Plants need it...its ,039% of our atmosphere....you guys are dinosaurs.
arsjth 10 months ago 3
Good one Greenpeace!
TheElicourt 10 months ago
19,000 viewings already, amazing. So many people concerned about polluting coal infrastructure and our need to move to renewable energy. Great to see the likes of Malcolm Turnbull and Bob Carr fully behind the Beyond Zero Emmissions initiatives.
Spain to be 40% base load by solar by 2020. It's all happening. Thank god they won't have to face nuclear nightmares like the people of Northern Japan now. My heart goes out to them.
colscan 10 months ago
@colscan
Spanish Government Abandons Green Schemes
Chris Horner at the Planet Gore blog reports on how the Spanish govt is now reluctantly pulling the plug on the environmentalist schemes that Obama and other environmentalists have held up as a role model. This is of course partly because the Spanish government faces a fiscal crisis and so faces pressure to cut back spending on everything, but it is also because it has been proven to be exceedingly expensive in relation to supposed benefits.
arsjth 10 months ago
We should burn natural gas. Its cheaper, plentiful, and creates far less polution. I don't know why we don't!
Australia as a whole create something like 1% of all carbon emissions. China makes roughly %30 of the worlds carbon emissions. So why should we run ourselves and our country broke for something that we won't make a dent in?
wonkus871 10 months ago 2
lool
andrewclark1990 10 months ago
lool
andrewclark1990 10 months ago
Excellent video. It's so important to expose the hypocrisy of greenwash by big corporations. The main issue here is that we should not, under any circumstances, be building new coal power stations and it is the responsibility of ANZ, as a company that claims to act sustainably, to not invest in this old, unsafe power source.
colscan 10 months ago
Haha, Australians call the letter z 'zed'. What are you guys, Canadians?
blogegog 10 months ago
0:48 Black face.
It's the "Hey Hey" fiasco all over again.
manbearpig900 10 months ago 3
i stumbled here :(
emery5wa 10 months ago 3
the big banks are just greedy....its amazing that normal people work for these companies but then make decissions that hurts other normal people...
mickpork 10 months ago
Top work Greenpeace. We've built our last coal fired power station and ANZ knows it. Just takes a while to sink in. Time to invest in solar big time like the wise Spanish government is doing. Beyond Zero Emmissions is getting the word out with assistance from Malcolm Turnbull and Bob Carr. It's all happening. 17,000 have viewed this video already, wow, people are really getting behind this action.
colscan 10 months ago
Spain and other European countries are rolling back green subsidies because it's sending the economy broke. It will happen in Oz.
Jack66840 10 months ago 22
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catch up folk, solar thermal power with molten salt storage CAN produce baseload power (24 hours a day). It's currently being rolled out on a mass scale in many countries around Australia. Only a flawed economic system that ignores basic concepts of COST (health, social, environmental costs etc) calculates the cost of ANZ dirty coal to be cheaper than cleaner, renewable energy
boxedmuz 10 months ago
catch up folk, solar thermal power with molten salt storage CAN produce baseload power (24 hours a day). It's currently being rolled out on a mass scale in many countries around Australia. Only a flawed economic system that ignores basic concepts of COST (health, social, environmental costs etc) calculates the cost of ANZ dirty coal to be cheaper than cleaner, renewable energy
boxedmuz 10 months ago
@boxedmuz sorry, 'being roled out in many countries around THE WORLD (including Spain), unfortunately due to pathetic governance and corporate power we are yet to see such a roll out in Australia
boxedmuz 10 months ago
Thank you Greenpeace for proving to us all you are no different than Nazis when it comes to propaganda and poisoning the minds of children, fire and brimstone crap this video is, it is designed to scare children into believing something that is not true. At least during WWII there was a war on, and it was legal shoot dead a Nazi. DontCopIt. com DontCopIt from Greenpeace conditioning your childrens minds with poison. Care for your environment, and care for your kids and denounce this crap!
Dontcopit 10 months ago 7
Once again, Greenpeace tries to terrify children with scientifically illiterate climate catastrophism. The real danger today is not to our planet but to our reason.
loki6993 10 months ago 8
You create a campaign to slander, yet provide no reasonable alternative, direction or solution.
So you're advocating the cleaner, although equally unsustainable alternative? Nuclear fission.
Why not spend the money usefully, researching nuclear fusion instead of wasting money/time/coal on this junk?
GreenPeace fail.
WoodsyDotOrg 10 months ago 6
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anneenna7 10 months ago
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At last some focus on the financiers- coal being the most climate-altering option for electricity generation, ANZ needs to be held accountable for their backwards-looking and destructive investment strategy.
We in Australia are sacrificing our best, fertile farmland in the Liverpool Plains to huge open cut coal mines, -farmers aren't happy about it- and sooner or later we will figure out you can't eat coal- by then it will be too late, so we need to stop, shift away sooner rather than later.
anneenna7 10 months ago
At last some focus on the financiers- coal being the most climate-altering option for electricity generation, ANZ needs to be held accountable for their backwards-looking and destructive investment strategy.
We in Australia are sacrificing our best, fertile farmland in the Liverpool Plains to huge open cut coal mines, -farmers aren't happy about it- and sooner or later we will figure out you can't eat coal- by then it will be too late, so we need to stop, shift away sooner rather than later.
anneenna7 10 months ago
Good job Greenpeace, now to promote power that's good for the environment...NUCLEAR POWER. Surely you support nuclear power? Right?
meraxes75 10 months ago 27
@meraxes75 Try telling that to the Japanese.
fidomusic 10 months ago
@meraxes75 Thanks very much for your support! Alas no, we believe the solution to climate change and polluting coal power is to invest in large-scale renewable energy projects, not nuclear. Nuclear is dangerous, expensive, and environmentally damaging - there's no solution to radioactive waste and the emissions saved is not even near the vicinity that can be saved by using renewable energy.
GreenpeaceAustralia 10 months ago
@GreenpeaceAustralia Well done. Now all you need is the ability to detect sarcasm.
warmingthesoul 10 months ago 3
@GreenpeaceAustralia You would think you could get your facts straight. The emissions saved compared to the cost from nuclear power is better than any other form of energy. Have you actually considered the emissions produced to make a solar panel? Or the harmful chemicals that they use? Expensive? It's cheaper per kW than any other "clean" source of power (solar / wind etc). Stop lying to people eh?
meraxes75 10 months ago
@meraxes75
are you kidding.............look what is going down in Japan.......and the radioactivity is now reaching USA & Canada !
joydelphi 10 months ago
@joydelphi You must be referring to the fake graph that was circulating? 5 seconds on Google would have told you that.
meraxes75 10 months ago
@meraxes75
are you kidding.............look what is going down in Japan.......and the radioactivity is now reaching USA & Canada !
joydelphi 10 months ago
The irony is, that little girls oxygen mask must be attached to a power source and that power source is generated by the coal mining that Greenpeace is so anti....
isoisooo 10 months ago
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What a despicable commercial.
Take your watermelon propaganda and shove it!
shotgundorothy 10 months ago
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shotgundorothy 10 months ago
ONE of Australia's most influential business leaders, ANZ chief executive Mike Smith, has delivered a savage attack on Julia Gillard, declaring her party had joined the "weak government club" of the world.
In an extraordinary Sydney speech, Mr Smith criticised almost every major government policy, especially tax, carbon tax and infrastructure, as well as its association with the Greens.
cop that greenies....next stop, suing your ass
arsjth 10 months ago
lol greenpeace is lame
Cheesewookie 10 months ago
Another pathetic brain washing attempt to distort the minds of ordinary Australians by unenlightened enviromentalists who have an ideological commitment to cripple economies and destroy capitalism.
MottTheWot 10 months ago 3
@MottTheWot
There is no need to destroy capitalism. It is destroying itself quite nicely without any help. In fact, all it takes to destroy capitalism is for governments to deregulate it, and never help any industry ever again. Within a decade it will be over. Governments can survive without capitalism, but capitalism cannot survive without governments. Ultimately, capitalism is a guest at the table, who behaves very badly.
formless777 10 months ago
@formless777 And we are all guests on this planet, and sometimes this planet behaves very badly and will shake us off like a bad case of dandruff. Unenlightened self interest does not hold sway with me and the insane green policies of the new religion of alarmists and insane warmists will ultimately fail as the lies and deceit are discovered by all.
MottTheWot 10 months ago
@MottTheWot
Erm, we aren't guests on this planet. We were raised here, and have no other home to go to. But yes, the planet's natural systems will cause at least the destruction of our current civilization and most human populations if we ignore them. It's not religion, nor thankfully is it yet fact, what it is, is a projection of the reaction of natural systems to the current trend in rising temperatures, based on huge amounts of data collected over the last 160 years.
formless777 10 months ago
@formless777 Guests we most certainly are, the planet has been here 4.5 billion years and we have been here a mere 200,000 give or take a decade, industrialisation approx 200 years! The Earth warms and it cools, the climate has changed for millions of yrs, some species survive, some don't. If you wish to believe data collected from the past 160 years versus the previous 4.5 billion then go right ahead. We have been here less than a minute of Earth's overall history, we are renting space!
MottTheWot 10 months ago
@MottTheWot
Let me put it another way for you... if we were guests we could leave.
Next. The records I am referring to represent only 160 years of human scientific research, which is how we even know the planet is 4.5 billion y/o. Whenever climate has fluctuated in the past, there has been a pretty clear evidence based indicator as to why it occurred, as is the case today, of course you say that this is scaremongering when the evidence is pretty damn clear that we are the cause this time.
formless777 10 months ago
@formless777 That is just the point, the evidence is not clear as climate change has occured with or without humans to blame. It is in fact scaremongering by alarmists whose exaggerations of a fiery earth to scare people into accepting radical plans to cripple economies and restrict freedom.The planet has survived a lot more than what human beings can throw at it: earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, continental drift, asteroids, meteors, sunspots, floods, bushfires etc Mother nature rules not us.
MottTheWot 10 months ago 3
Stumble fail.
HK271184 10 months ago
lol... I'm not sure what's funnier: that this ridiculous ad was made, or that so many losers take it seriously.
fleeced 10 months ago
damnn seriously? I am with ANZ, think I should change now
eryo757 10 months ago
So who do we believe?
Greedy banks or self righteous hippies??
LandofMinos 10 months ago
So who do we believe?
Greedy banks or self righteous hippies??
LandofMinos 10 months ago
@LandofMinos
Obviously you haven't lost your job in the financial melt-down or the choice would be much clearer.
formless777 10 months ago
Are these people real who make these adverse comments on the great work being done by Greenpeace? I meet very few of these in my daily life, which makes me believe they are paid agents of the polluters. Wonderful work Greenpeace.
colscan 10 months ago
@colscan I never meet anyone in my daily life who supports Grennpeace. Must be the fact that I only deal with intelligent people.
JustinMurphy1977 10 months ago
@colscan lol... of course - it's not like anyone could genuinely disagree with you! I can't speak for the others, but I'm in the pocket of big oil...
fleeced 10 months ago
More strength to Greenpeace. It is your actions that will save us all. You can excuse the ignorant but not the paid agents of the polluters.
colscan 10 months ago
@colscan
u goose.
do you think there are ordinary people like us who are paid to support fossil fuel companies?
talk about conspiracy theories!
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth Greenpeace and The Greens. Two different organisations, but I've already excused the ignorant.
colscan 10 months ago
@arsjth Yes, there's even a word for it... it's called "astroturfing".
charbonou2 10 months ago
Excellent video. It's so important to expose the hypocrisy of greenwash by big corporations. The main issue here is that we should not, under any circumstances, be building new coal power stations and it is the responsibility of ANZ, as a company that claims to act sustainably, to not invest in this old, unsafe power source.
It really hits home when you hear from real people whose lives and health are directly affected by the coal industry. See "The Hidden Cost of Coal"
erlandhowden 10 months ago
@erlandhowden So why don't you stop using all your power and set a good example?
JustinMurphy1977 10 months ago
@JustinMurphy1977 Greenpeace use accredited Greenpower, which is carbon-neutral. So do I.
charbonou2 10 months ago
Just answer this one question: Without coal, what source will provide us with 24hour baseload power capacity?
JustinMurphy1977 10 months ago
With any problem there is usually more than one solution. Search
beyond zero emissions Lets get away from fossil fuels. Lets get away from coal seam gas (Fraccing or fracking) Watch gasland the movie
13dazza13 10 months ago 2
the kid in that video is choking on eco friendly diesel exhaust, thanks greenpiss.
CO2isnotpollution 10 months ago
The hypocrisy. Anyone here who has ever used energy, is also 'supporting' the coal industry through their everyday living. Does greenpeace really think that living in darkness is the answer or what is their answer to provide baseload power output -remembering all the renewable sources are not capable of providing this?
JustinMurphy1977 10 months ago
@JustinMurphy1977 Um... haven't you heard of GREENPOWER ???? I don't live in a cave, or in darkness, and I use a computer... WITHOUT COAL ... it's been around for years, get with the program. Ask your electricity provider, and ask them why they haven't told you about it !
charbonou2 10 months ago
@charbonou2
Are you really that stupid? Are you honestly trying to say we could power all of Australia on renewable energy right now? Time to wake up and face reality mate.
JustinMurphy1977 10 months ago 5
Retarded view of reality you greenies have there.....
randomlook 10 months ago 2
It must be nice, not having to worry about economics or productivity or even working.
theoriginalpm 10 months ago 5
What crap!
drakosha2 10 months ago
Scumbag lying green maggots - I'd support Hitler before I'd support their communist ideology!
averysensiblename 10 months ago
I hope ANZ sues Greenpeace into the ground.
hovil123 10 months ago
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what a bunch of rubbish
wakeup2thelies 10 months ago 2
And THAT is why greenpeace has less credibility with me than a mental patient on no meds day.
ultramediaAustralia 10 months ago 3
NAB > Commbank > Westpac > ANZ.
Only noobs be borrowing from ANZ.
eggyouon 10 months ago
Thanks to ANZ for helping fund those companies that supply us with low cost heat, light and power - enabling all the wonderful advances in our standards of living. Freeing us from short harsh lives of hard labour and ignorance - providing us with healthcare, education, entertainment, and more time to spend with loved ones. Thanks ANZ.
Greens: Go F*@k yourselves.
MMGWsceptic 10 months ago 6
@MMGWsceptic
"and more time to spend with loved ones."
you know the greens dont have a love of family and those australian values!
Julia Gillard said so. Even the Labor Prime minister knows that greens are just extreme nutcases.
arsjth 10 months ago
@MMGWsceptic Don't you mean "Future generations: Go F*@k yourselves" ??? Whose living standards have they improved? They certainly haven't freed you from ignorance.
charbonou2 10 months ago
@charbonou2
By your logic, my ancestors living as paupers in London in the 1700's, should have gone without heat and light, just in case it made the weather slightly warmer during my tropical holiday in 2010. Yeah - how irresponsible of them.
Future generations can look after themselves - they'll be better off than you or I can imagine.
You useless greens never see poor people suffering here and now - too busy pretending to care about people 100 yrs from now. Pathetic.
MMGWsceptic 10 months ago 7
Thank you ANZ for helping to provide cheap electricity for Australia.
I'm sure they make more from their coal investments than they'll lose in a boycott by a few green extremists.
shiftyd100 10 months ago 24
@shiftyd100 It's not cheap - the average taxpayer pays around $700 per year in subsidies to the fossil fuel industries. Didn't you know?
charbonou2 10 months ago
@charbonou2 It's relatively cheap compared to your "greenpower". Why do you think you pay extra? Of coarse wind and solar is subsidised we all know that. It doesn't receive as much as fossil fuels because it doesn't produce baseload power. Does your power come through the same transmission line as everyone else? If so it is exactly the same electricity. You're just making a donation to a power company to feel smug. Wind needs coal fired back-up. You are not stopping a single lump being burned.
shiftyd100 10 months ago 9
And I am honestly cancelling my ANZ credit card now.
Thanx for the heads up, greenpeace.
WankerSmurf 10 months ago
@WankerSmurf
thats probably a good thing. They prefer not to have unemployed greens on their books as bad debts.
Perhaps you could resume boycotting Israel....after all it is the only peaceful democracy in the middle east....no wonder you are against it.
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth Unemployed? Bad debts? Who says i am against Israel? lol Get your facts right.
Are you retarded?
WankerSmurf 10 months ago
@WankerSmurf
the greens are against israel....or is that just the crazy ones in NSW?
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth Greenpeace and The Greens. Two different organisations, but I've already excused the ignorant
colscan 10 months ago
There are some brilliant alternative energy systems coming on line around the world. Wave power is ready to come online. Geothermal no longer requires a volcanic "hot rock" heat source. Wind Power is ready to go too. Solar is making huge advances daily, and there are some amazing patents being finalized involving photosynthesis mechanisms. There is no need or excuse for coal or nuclear energy. Lets stop killing ourselves and our grand kids with these old mistakes, (even for profit).
formless777 10 months ago
@formless777
sorry to have to inform you of facts but windpower killed 44 people over the last 10 years. Nuclear ?? 7.
Your wishlist of renewables are unsuccessful as yet and when they are useful and competitively priced they will be taken up by the market.
You invoke extreme visions of "killing ourselves and our grand kids" you want to take us back to the dark ages where electricity wasnt the force for good it is now and then u will see some deaths.
The Carbon Tax is a disaster.
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth
And if you wait 12 months until the Fukushima related cancer deaths start coming in, your figures will tell a different story again.
As to the testing of alternatives, the new geothermal methods were well tested in Iceland, wind power is fully operational, wave power is tested and will float on the Stock Market this year.
As to the dark ages example, dumb, science made this mess and will clean it up too.
I support a tax on all economic externalities and fuck your corporate agenda.
formless777 10 months ago
@formless777 Yes, we're all waiting for Greenpeace to blame every death in Japan on the damn power plant. Just what Japan needs right now, fearmongerers butting in with fabricated doomsday garbage while holding a geiger counter and wearing white suits and masks for extra dramatic effect.
1CaptainAustralia1 10 months ago
@1CaptainAustralia1
have you seen george monbiot destroy the weak unreferenced arguments of helen caldicott?
arsjth 10 months ago
@formless777
lol. Fukushima will kill no one...maybe 1-2 if you are lucky. Chernobyl killed 65 people in total. in the mean time you have added to global emissions through your rejection of nuclear energy which forced us to remain with coal for baseload power.
As for geothermal...Flannery's company has been a flop despite a $90 mill handout from the government. Wave power....good stuff let us know when its successful and cost efficient and we will use it.
my corporate agenda? u serious? lol
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth
You're a straight out liar. First up you are completely ignoring the enormous amounts of fossil fuel and the 12 year lead time for a nuclear plant to begin operation. You'd be better off using the thousands of liters of petrol directly, as at least it doesn't bombard you with high energy neutrons. As to Chernobyl, you are neglecting the millions of animals that were destroyed and the fact that the entire area is still uninhabitable, and that my great uncle was one of the dead.
formless777 10 months ago
@arsjth Sorry, but the idea that Chernobyl killed only 65 people is ridiculous. Nuclear radiation hangs around for a VERY LONG TIME.
A 2006 IPPNW study found between 12,000 & 83,000 children born with congenital deformations in the region of Chernobyl. The Chernobyl Forum (a group of UN agencies) says that about 9,000 related deaths have occurred & some 200,000 people have illnesses caused by the accident. Other reports put the figures much higher
boxedmuz 10 months ago
All you weird pre-war technology coal fetishists are just anti-progress luddites, man.. get with the times.. renewable energy is science-fiction come real.. you're probably into typewriters and think 9 out of 10 doctors recommend Marlboro.
atubeiswotithinkofu 10 months ago 3
...and finally... Maybe I didn't write this as clearly as I could have, but I DON'T believe we should spend the next 50 years burning fossil fuels until they are gone. I wanted to simply show ideas that people often don't really think about. Its not quite so black and white. some of these mentioned ideas have great potential but like everything in life, nothing is perfect
cainusanusoz 10 months ago
Mmm who put this video up? competition of anz??
christmas09able 10 months ago
@christmas09able do you work for ANZ? lol....uhhhh, the video was put up by Greenpeace; so no hidden agendas....
markgunna1 10 months ago
@markgunna1
no hidden agendas, just bizarre weird crazy agendas
arsjth 10 months ago
You deniers are too funny. It's so obvious you are just staff members in fossil fuel corporations. In whose interest do you write your ridiculous lies?
Coal causes climate change which CAUSES poverty and death. Climate change is bad for economies, therefore coal is bad for economies and bad for the poor.
There are alternatives to coal which are clean and safe. These are things like baseload solar thermal power, wind power, and developing technologies like wave and tidal power.
YCANvideo 10 months ago
@YCANvideo
Is Professor Richard Linzen a denier in the pay of fossil fuel companies? you guys have a conspiracy theory for everything.
The temperature of the world has not increased in 30 years and co2 has. what direct link could be proven between the two? you cant even start to pretend there is one.
Please dont panic your children about something that will never happen, dont make them afraid of their future.
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth
You don't have to be on someone's payroll to be wrong. While we can be happy it isn't soaring, the fact is, the global average temperature has increased steadily since 1900, is now consistently half a degree warmer across the ENTIRE WORLD, with localized weather conditions often being far more extreme in their average annual and 5 year variations, and palaeoclimatology i.e. climate archaeology tells us this is a long way from normal. Be deeply concerned, next the reefs start dying.
formless777 10 months ago
good on Greenpeace for showing the real ANZ. As for the comment by cavalierjon, your a tool. You would probably prefer if everything was covered in concrete, and we all were capitalist bully boys.
shitzu111 10 months ago
@shitzu111
yeah those disgusting concrete monstrosities that destroy our landscapes and cause visual and noise pollution......
They are called wind towers....dotting our coastline up to 150 meters high like massive buildings, and they are so ineffective and useless.
You will grow out of this madness....i hope.
arsjth 10 months ago
Excellent Video - banks are two faced when saying they are helping the environment, yet turn around and finance environmentally destructive industry. The ACCC should investigate them for greenwashing. I for one will not be using any ANZ products.
mountainman31 10 months ago
@mountainman31
of course all banks finance coal mines. so your delusion about ANZ is just that.
I hope ANZ sues your arses for defamation.
Fancy showing a girl inhaling coal dust inside an ANZ branch.....misrepresentation is the word i would use....plus liar and deceiver.
arsjth 10 months ago
Well done Greenpeace! Hitting them where it hurts. The fact is you can't be environmentally friendly when you're investing in polluting businesses behind the scenes. For all those getting angry at Greenpeace - don't shoot the messenger! Don't you care about people's health and the health of the environment we depend on? And if not why not? Particularly when your own prosperity relies on it. II'd say Greenpeace's values of family and nation are stronger than you self-interested lot.
Sienna291973 10 months ago 18
@Sienna
such fools.They dont invest in polluting businesses they lend to those who wish to create coal mines etc. Then they sell that coal all around the world to fuel cheap affordable reliable electricity.
China will pump out more CO2 in a week than we will in a year. If u think that will stop in China u are as dim as you seem. China will laugh as Australia shoots itself in the foot with a carbon tax that penalizes its own businesses, while theirs prosper.
Only a green extremist couldnt see it
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth: You may want to check your facts and make sure you're not making a fool of yourself before accusing other people of being dim. China already taxes coal, oil and gas extraction. (Facts are your friend).
Sienna291973 10 months ago
@Sienna291973 - absolute garbage. Power stations have almost zero pollution coming out of the stacks because of their scrubbers and filters also the issue about the carbon is wrong. It's carbon dioxide a gas not carbon a solid and no plant on earth can survive with out it. Greenpeace are flat lying scum.
Chris51 10 months ago 3
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Sienna291973 10 months ago
Greenpeace is using electricity to make and distribute this video, no doubt powered by coal. They use ships powered by oil based fuels. Why not work with ANZ to develop better fuels. A combination of solar, geothermal, water, and thorium nuclear energy is the way to go. Invest in the future of tomorrow, don't whine about it.
TheLendiel 10 months ago
@TheLendiel I don't doubt for one second that the electricity used by Greenpeace is NOT powered by coal - haven't you heard of Greenpower? In fact I would be willing to bet my life savings on it !! ANZ is part of the problem, not part of the solution. Whether it's investing in Gunns (logging) or investing in coal, they've shown time and time again that they put profit before people and the planet.
charbonou2 10 months ago
@charbonou2 I am viewing this video via coal power as I do not have greenpower, as do probably 99% of those who view it. Those who can afford greenpower no doubt made their money through some venture. I want solar power but cannot afford it. Greenpeace wants more people to view this video, means more power use generated by coal. Coal is not the answer but at the moment it is the cheapest. If greens would get off their high horse about nuclear energy the world would be better. Research thorium.
TheLendiel 10 months ago
@TheLendiel I pay for 100% Greenpower at home - it's a whopping $6 per month extra on my electricity bill. Coal is not the cheapest - here in Australia the average taxpayer pays around $700 per year in subsidies to fossil fuels. (that's a lot more than $6 per month!) Per megawatt, with no subsidies, Wind (followed by wave) is the most cost-efficient form of electricity production.
charbonou2 10 months ago 4
@charbonou2 The reason you pay so little is because of the subsidies paid to green energy at the moment, look at solar installation. Do the math of how much wind power is needed, how much land, how much wind etc. Green can run homes but at the moment wont run everything else. Wave is so much to set up. You are talking about paying so much to get the same right now, where is the money coming from?
TheLendiel 10 months ago 4
@TheLendiel Fossil fuels in Australia receive around 28 times as much government subsidies as Renewables and energy efficiency combined. So the reason coal-power costs "so little" is because our taxes pay polluters to pollute....
charbonou2 10 months ago
@charbonou2 If there was no subsidy there would be no tax. No subsidy to oil then we would not pay fuel excise. The gov makes more money taxing then giving in subsidy but that encourages jobs etc. AGain my point is work towards a goal. You people want to shut down coal energy therefore giving no one energy. Who has a 5KW system on their roof with batteries at night. Things take time not everyone had PC's 20 years ago, the same will be for renewable. Just stop whining and help towards a solution
TheLendiel 10 months ago 6
I hope ANZ sues the pants of your lying arses you totalitarian eco-fascist extremists!
This video motivates me to go an open an ANZ account. It's so sad when an organisation like you pretends to be environmental when all you are is political!
cavalierjon 10 months ago
Some valid points but people assume that if you call it a 'green energy' it is perfect to replace coal.
wind power is inefficient, varying and has been given freedom to build industry on our otherwise PROTECTED coastlines. Solar has potential but is still expensive. nuclear is scary and emits toxic waste. Geothermal cools the earth and can emit toxic gas. Wave power couldn't run a radio... There are drawbacks to shutting down our coal stations too early. one of which... we will have no power!
cainusanusoz 10 months ago
@cainusanusoz "Cools the earth"? Are you serious?
DemanRisu 10 months ago
@cainusanusoz - you have not provided one solution, only excuses.
Why does Geothermal cool the earth? Pipes sent/retrieve heat below the surface. How is this creating toxic gas?
Explain why wave power can not run a radio? Its clean energy is simply feed into the grid.
We can do without 1 in 10 powestations already if people turned off appliances at the wall.
mountainman31 10 months ago 2
@mountainman31 - I am simply pointing out the problems with the idea of ceasing funding to coal, too abruptly. People say "green energy" but don't understand that there are negative issues relating to these 'green' ideas as well. I realise there are many positives with all of these [except maybe wind :)
Re: Geothermal, toxic gases embedded in the earth can be emitted when the pipes are drilled deep into the earth. hydrogen sulfide can also be emitted with the steam. Can't b put in many climates
cainusanusoz 10 months ago
There are a many types of wave power and my exaggerated comment shouldn’t be taken literally (A wave generator definitely could power a small radio). Wave generation runs at less than 20% efficiency from what I have read, though I am no expert so crosscheck this. This is when waves are at their peak (not often). When compared to their embodied energy (or the energy it takes to manufacture, distribute, construct and run the machine) their output over their life is of minimal benefit.
cainusanusoz 10 months ago
WHat a disgrace! You greens hate prosperity and success. If it were up to you we would be a 3rd world country. Targeting businesses in this way is despicable and typical of extremists.
Gillard says you are extremists with out the love of family....she is 100% right.
arsjth 10 months ago
Excellent work! ANZ's not going to like this one. Speaking truth to power. There really is no reason why ANZ has to keep investing in a technology and a fuel that is destroying lives and livelihoods all over the world.
YCANvideo 10 months ago 14
@YCANvideo
"investing in a technology and a fuel that is destroying lives and livelihoods all over the world"
honestly you embarrass yourself. you know why China is opening one coal fired power station a week dont you? Because to be without cheap power is death. They want to live like westerners and not like paupers in the dark ages. Coal mining creates jobs for unskilled workers.
I will personally support ANZ against this insidious extreme and unfamily friendly video.
U have lost the plot.
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth Don't you know that for every new coal station China builds, they also build over 160 wind turbines??? Don't you know wind is cheaper than coal? You're either part of the solution or part of the problem - ANZ is definitely part of the problem. How are they helping your family?
charbonou2 10 months ago 2
@charbonou2
Oh dear. They are building an opening two new coal mines a week and putting up 160 wind turbines for each one.
I am quite happy to do the same here in australia. for each new coal mine we put up 160 ugly sound polluting useless wind turbines.
Meanwhile china soaks up our coal and iron ore resources because they know that cheap fuel is the way to prosperity for their people. ANZ finance coal mines which sell to China so their people escape poverty. Well done ANZ.
arsjth 10 months ago
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charbonou2 10 months ago
@arsjth Actually China have planned to cap their coal usage to 4 billion tonnes by 2015 (they're already at 3.25Mt). Their least efficient coal plant is more efficient than Australia's most efficient one. They already tax fossil fuels and will be introducing an ETS next year. They have an emissions reduction target of 40-45% (compared to Australia's 4%) and in 2012 they will reach 11.5% renewable electricity target (compared to Australia's current 5.2%). We have a long way to go to catch up.
charbonou2 10 months ago 3
@charbonou2
"Their least efficient coal plant is more efficient than Australia's most efficient one."
spoken like someone who has never been there and choked on the filthy pollution they pump out into the air. I have been and couldnt see more than 1 km away. You are holding up china as a Banner of environmentalism when they are in fact making fools of you. China is massively increasing emissions & will continue to do so.
I believe u believe anything that suits you.
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth I am countering the argument that "anything we do is pointless as it will all be eclipsed by China". Look it up - their "one new coal plant per week" that they build replaces one of their most inefficient ones. Their least efficient plant is still more efficient than our MOST efficient one. You're also ignoring the fact that on a per capita basis, Australia produces MANY times more pollution than China does.
charbonou2 10 months ago
@charbonou2
"Alarming Increase In Expected Growth of China's CO2 Emissions
by Barry Jagoda
La Jolla CA (SPX) Mar 11, 2008
The growth in China's carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions is far outpacing previous estimates, making the goal of stabilizing atmospheric greenhouse gases much more difficult, according to a new analysis by economists at the University of California, Berkeley, and UC San Diego.
arsjth 10 months ago
@charbonou2
The researchers' most conservative forecast predicts that by 2010, there will be an increase of 600m metric tons of co2 emissions in China over the country's levels in 2000. This growth from China alone would dramatically overshadow the 116m metric tons of co2 emissions reductions pledged by all the developed countries in the Kyoto Protocol. (The USA was the largest single emitter of carbon dioxide until 2006, when China took over that distinction, according to numerous reports.)
arsjth 10 months ago
@arsjth What's your point? The world is screwed anyway, so we may as well keep polluting? Everyone knows Kyoto was only a token gesture.... (which is why it's so pathetic that Australia wouldn't even sign). We need 80% emission cuts by yesterday.
charbonou2 10 months ago
@charbonou2
"Put another way, the projected annual increase in China alone over the next several years is greater than the current emissions produced by either Great Britain or Germany.
Based upon these findings, the authors say current global warming forecasts are "overly optimistic," and that action is urgently needed to curb greenhouse gas production in China and other rapidly industrializing countries."
make up the stories that suit u. The truth is worse than u imagine.
arsjth 10 months ago
@YCANvideo "....destroying lives and livelihoods all over the world" without power stations you would be freezing your tiny nuts off and you wouldn't be able to log on to Youtube either or eat a cooked meal. Do you drive a car? Listen to music? Wear clothes? How were these made? Whose lives are they destroying? They provide literally thousands and thousands of jobs as well. Tell me of a sustainable viable equivalent power supply available today.
Chris51 10 months ago
@YCANvideo - you greenies really don't think things through do you? Little wonder that there's less and less people giving your rantings any credence when nothing you tools come up with is thought out. Your alleged alternatives just aren't viable but hell no don't put all that money into developing a real alternative lets just whack into anything as long as we do something if it doesn't work at least we tried, right?
Chris51 10 months ago