I believe in divine Healing but I would never neglect my child from a doctors care. I would take him to the Doctor then ask God to heal him..But I see you found your needle in the hay stack but so have I, and I am totally convinced that their is a god heaven now.. You have had a hard road to travel. My wife and I received the parents of the year award from a public school, I'm a step dad of 4 girls..Don't throw it all into the wind just because your parents did you wrong
What makes someone a "Christian" is Not what they DO. It's trusting in Jesus Christ and confessing who he is and that we're sinners and need our Savior Jesus to save us. It's recognizing the death and resurection of Jesus Christ for OUR sins. That he DIED for our sins!.
put MY FAITH in GOD! I know that I'll be healed either
on Earth, or in Heaven. People who don't get their children medical help have
problems. God uses dr's just as he does miracles. That he
DIED for our sins! I don't put my FAITH in MAN. I
put MY FAITH in GOD! There's a difference in "faith" vrs foolishness.People lock doors to keep safe. Yes, God watches over us, but he wants us to use common sense.
Prayer does have an effect. You seem so angry. I'm sorry that those things happened to you. Look at paul, he asked God to heal him 3 TIMEs. God said, "my grace is Sufficient for You." God uses dr's. God knows the heart. Jesus is the Word of God. So the word is always true. begining of John 1.
Faith isn't how you live or what you do.It's walking in your true Identity in Christ. I love this video because this is so true.what you said I agree with 100 percent.you were actually preaching the Gospel of truth.now walk it out and change the problem.the problem isn't God it's the idiots who don't know who he is and walk in religion.you need to hang around a believer who walks in power.sorry that your parents were that way. This happens when you serve a God based on mans systems.If people un
What do you know of MY evidence? Oh that's right, you can't think outside your laboratory controlled, science saturated box. An even better question, how could someone like you possibly think that any part of my conversation with you could make me "feel" in any way at all? No Christian love? Why? Because I stood up to your arrogant bullying? You came in here telling me what my EXACT thoughts, beliefs and foundations are and you don't even know my name. YOU are the fraud here.
@heresjohnny33 That suggestion for social skills training was not and ad hominem attack. It was a professional recommendation. I make them whenever I observe abnormalities in behavior.
The average Christian you are talking about isn't even a 'real' Christian, the only 'real' Christians are those who total nutcases. All they do is massively cherry pick the Bible. I've tried mentioning this, quite kindly, to my 'very' Christian friends, but it just goes over their head. I've realized it's a truly hopeless situation. They don't care about the truth, they don't care about scientific advancement. It's practically worthless trying to help them learn of logic.
Faith healing isn't even the right method to heal one. If you want to faith heal through God, DO IT RIGHT!
Jesus was a healer, and he is not God. Prayer does not work. So what does? What is THE REAL GOD?
God-everything in the universe flows with energy, that energy is God
You are supposed to CHANNEL God energy to the sufferer through contact. Visualization works really well. Takes practice to do it though. Imagine universal energy going down your spine through your limbs and hands.
Oh Angie....you don't disbelieve in God. ...you hate Him. You're seeking retribution. You lived according to rules/the law, not faith. Faith doesn't mean we resolve to go without the resources God has provided. It means we are grateful and utilize the resources God has provided trusting that those he has not can be sought after in prayer &that ultimately this life is not our home. We don't look to this life for perfection because where God is absent there is pain; therefore we learn to seek him.
Oh Angie....you don't disbelieve in God. ...you hate Him. You're seeking retribution. You lived according to rules/the law, not faith. Faith doesn't mean we resolve to go without the resources God has provided. It means we are grateful and utilize the resources God has provided trusting that those he has not can be sought after in prayer &that ultimately this life is not our home. We don't look to this life for perfection because where God is absent there is pain; therefore we learn to seek him.
Reason is the power of the mind to know the causes of things (material, formal, efficient, and final). This is a broader view of reason than is commonly held in our times. Faith can be in many things, but it is certainly not (necessarily) antirational.
I'm not sure I could provide you with evidence that would actually satisfy you that faith supplements reason.
I would only offer that sometimes there is good reason to believe things for which we don't (yet) have empirical evidence.
@smit1907 Yeah, I'd not to have evidence or at least a good example. If something doesn't have good evidence for it, I don't see how there CAN be a good reason to believe it. (ie, believing my ex husband would quit drinking b/c he promised, despite the evidence, would've been quite stupid and irrational)
You bring up some intersting points about how faith can be distorted, but faith without reason can be just as distorted as reason without faith.
Also, no disrespect intended, but secularism/atheism/scientism is not the only alternative to fundamentalism.
Further, a simple look at the bible should be sufficient to convince you that not everything in it should be interpreted literally, even some aspects of the New Testament.
Faith + Reason, not Faith or Reason. Integrate them.
@smit1907 Please provide evidence for the claim that "faith without reason can be just as distorted as reason without faith." I'll quickly let you know how I see these terms, to see if that's where confusion lies. Faith = believing in things without evidence. Reason = believing things for good reason. They seem antithetical to me.
@okara83 And scientism is for the narrow-minded....
I actually agree with you, if what you mean by faith is David Koresh and phenomenon like the stuff described by the video here.
Remember, there is a difference between faith and fundamentalism, just as there is a difference between science and scientism.
Both faith (in its various forms) and reason need to respect their proper spheres of knowledge. They are mutually informative, and shouldn't attempt to fulfill each other's role.
not to mention people "healed" by the shamans/sorcerers/quimboizers were never asked for anything, since the shaman(...) already "knows" what their problem is. so he just have to pop'n'hop around them to heal them.
thanks to hippocrates who invented real medecine. like im' looking at you, i give you some shit i have and i ask you to come back to me next week to see if you feel better. and as soon as you leave, i write down what happened to you just in case someone with the same problem come to see me.
thanks to him we don't have shamans breakdancing and singing around the patient anymore.
If God didn't wrote the bible, using people (believers with holy spirit in them, and God is said to be a spirit, which makes sense), than God of bible is not real and he doesn't exist! Still, when I look at Earth, creation, our complicated mind's creativity, I can't shake the feeling that it was given to us from a Creator of life, who I don't know. Also is this life all, it passes, we die and dissapear forever? I would rather have it that way. But it's not that simple, is it?
@accretioncleansing Because my only purpose is to fulfill base animal desires, and not use this AWESOME brain I have? Naw, sound like something a misogynistic religious troll would want, not something I do.
Oh come on Angie. Where does the bible say that having faith means doing NOTHING else? It doesn't and you KNOW it. That's just your family's warped interpretation of the concept. So because mine is different it's wrong? Bull! Your family's hardly the gold standard for biblical understanding. I tell my children if they are out on a boat and it's storming to pray to heaven and row like hell. But I really should have had your sick grandma approve that first I guess. How silly of me.
@heresjohnny33 Since I've described my grandmother as heretical, batshit crazy, insane and a cult leader, I can't figure out where you get the idea I think she's a gold standard from. Probably your own touchiness about Christianity or the Bible being criticized. She's a nutter - duh. She's in a home now. However, because she could come up w/Biblical support for her ideas, she successfully led a cult & led people to their deaths. These are facts.
@AngieAntiTheist Gee, I don't know. Perhaps because you continuously defend her actions for ridiculous reasons like "she was just doing what the bible said to do". There is NOWHERE in the bible where it says that in order to have faith one must lock him/herself away from all other resources and people. Obviously what the Bible says and what it means are two different things because the bible contains WORDS. Words mean different things to different people. NO ONE has the patent on meaning
@heresjohnny33 Continually defend her actions? Reread my above comment. You're right that the Bible is nothing more than words, dangerous words. It says conflicting and contradictory things throughout, and is a terrible "guide for living" or place to find a moral code. Now, what's so special about YOUR meaning (which you admit, may be just as wrong as hers, I hope)
What makes it special? Because it's MINE! Not yours, your grandmother's or anyone else's. I apply it to MY specific life and MY understanding. I don't stand in front of a crowd and tell everyone what the Bible means to them just because it means this or that to me. The dictionary defines "special" as distinguishable from others. Is my meaning special then? Yeah! And it makes it right for ME but most likely WRONG to others. Just like your grandma's is to others.
@heresjohnny33 Oh it's "right for you" but you don't think it holds any kind of objective truth accessible to other people? Or are you just playing semantics to pretend to be less certain than you are? Do you believe you are saved or "know" you are saved?
And if they're just 'right for you" what makes you think they ARE right for you? What standard do you use to determine they (your particular special thoughts & theories about your invisible sky daddy) are "right"?
@AngieAntiTheist How do you know what you think and feel? Does someone tell you? I BELIEVE I am saved because Jesus said I was. I'm not playing semantics, My God, I'm telling you what I f#$king think and feel? If there's one thing you should be learning in your therapy, it's that what a person thinks and feels is NEVER WRONG ----for THEM! It's what they think and feel. That's it! And that's what I'm telling you and that's all.
@heresjohnny33 Jesus said you are saved? Sorry to burst your bubble, but he didn't even exist, he's a myth. Go educate yourself about your baseless belief.
@Gaze51 Yeah, you said it so that makes it so. I'm curious, how big exactly is your ego that you think I would give a rat's ass about anything you say? Educate myself? And to think I wasted all that time getting a PHD when I should have been "educating myself" by talking to you. LMAO you're hilarious. You actually think you have the power to burst any of my bubbles! Haha Stop it, you're killing me!!
@heresjohnny33 You have a PhD in religious studies? And it's not that "I said so", read about the "evidence" of Jesus from someone else than apologetics, and you'll see the truth.
@Gaze51 No my PHD is not in religious studies but it is in a science. I don't know how old you are but I know how old I am and I don't think there's a chance in hell that you have done more research and reading on this than I have. NOT from apologetics, who I care nothing about. I do have real life professional experience with subjects and situations that you couldn't even imagine. I only consider evidence that I have seen myself. Also, absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence
@heresjohnny33 Are you fucking kidding me with that last sentence? How about Russel's teapot, the spaghetti monster, unicorns or fairies? If you have a PhD, I'm an elephant.
@Gaze51 Then you're an elephant. I do apologize for adding that last sentence. You see I meant it as an after thought and figured even an idiot could see that wasn't my entire argument. I guess I'm just used to speaking with other highly intelligent people who are able to understand entire context sand read complete paragraphs, not people who are lack the brain flexibility to hold two varying thoughts in their head simultaneously. . My mistake.
@Gaze51 Not only are you an elephant but you are clearly the dumbest person here on Youtube I have ever spoken with. And I've spoken with a lot. You have a hard time following a discussion, you assume rather than question, you assign characteristics to things you have no basis for, you depend upon profanity rather than quality words to make your point and you are absent a personality. I bet you spend every night behind your only friend, the computer. You must be quite the loser.
@Gaze51 Laboratory scientists perhaps but how about the real world? The field of medicine is unarguably a scientific field is it not? Why do 76% of doctors believe in God? Don't believe me, then you haven't done your homework/reading like you said. A well respected study was completed not long ago that yielded this result. I can't post a link on here but if you google just the words "doctors believe in God" the very first result will bring you to an MSNBC link about it. not so minority
1. Doctors aren't the one doing the actual research and process of putting together the medicine they use. They simply know how the body reacts to the medicine and they need to know NOTHING of how the actual medicine works and was designed or of evolution
2. That's just a big fallacy you just used. I suggest googling "list of logical fallacies" and clicking on the Wikipedia page that shows up and go through each and every one of those before you try to defend your belief in God.
@cmadison93 LOL, perhaps my foundation for faith is strange to you. I need not "look it up" on Wikipedia. It is an accumulation of all of the thoughts, perceptions, emotions and events of my own personal, intimate life. What hath Wikipedia to say of it?
And if you are seeing physicians who know NOTHING of how actual medicine works or of evolution, then you are grave danger should you need medical care.
That is more doctors than you would like to think. Their belief in evolution/understanding of the specifics of creating the medicine have NOTHING to do with what they are diagnosing, and what medications they are giving to you.
The point is that those who are the 'hard' scientists and social scientists have higher IQ's, and are significantly better at this little thing called 'critical thinking'.
And once again, I suggest looking into a list of fallacies. Your 'foundation of faith' is probably made up entirely of them. I don't feel like 'debating' with someone who doesn't respect logic.
@cmadison93 You are really something. You have NO idea what I do and don't respect but I can tell you with all certainty that it is NOT the opinion of some faceless yet judgmental, smarty pants sitting on their laptop and spilling out grandiosity like monkey vomit. You're in serious need of social skill training. Check with your local community education department for availability.
Psychologists, Anthropologists (including archaeologists), Economists, Physicists, Biologists, Chemists, etc. (all of the social science and physical sciences - the ones that do the bulk of the work, not just being doctors who know very little of the actual product they are subscribing to others) are FAR more likely to be atheist. Of those who do believe in God (few), they are extremely non-religious.
What of the people with PhD's? What of all the (hard) scientists?
Are you going to simply state that they don't understand what the 'real world' is like? Have you ever met anyone with a PhD, outside of the classroom? Do you know what their personal life is like?
Anyway, once again, I suggest looking into that list of fallacies I suggested.
@cmadison93 Have you met anyone with a PHD outside of the classroom? Oh brother, more than you ever know. Perhaps you should spend less time learning about people online and spend some actual time with them. The sunlight may do you some good as well.
I would appreciate it if you could form a rational argument and not resort to pathetic ad hominem attacks (and other fallacies, for that matter). You have 0 evidence for your belief, and I understand that that's a very hard thing to face.
@cmadison93 I'll make a deal with you OK? You come back here and get the last word. You can say whatever you like, flex all of your intellectual muscles, call me and idiot or any name you want and I won't respond with a single word. What is my part of the deal? I don't ever have to read another letter you type! I think it's a win-win since there isn't a thing that either of us can say to the other that would change a thing. And you'll still feel superior which you seem to need desperately.
There's that hilarious "sky daddy" reference again. That makes NO sense. You who have read your bible so well should know that it doesn't say God lives in the sky but in the heart of man. I'm sure that sky daddy thing a hilarious reference to those who will never understand that concept.
@heresjohnny33 And Jesus didn't get lifted up into the heavens to sit by the right hand of "sky daddy"...you speak of the holy spirit that's supposedly with us, but when it comes down to stories in the bible (mostly in the old testament) they suggest both directly and indirectly that he's up in the heavens. Father, son and holy spirit don't all just sit around together in one spot in your heart according to the reference material you use...
@manic2man Oh, that's right! I forgot about that part! You've changed my mind completely! I'm SO embarrassed that I ever let the numerous other references to God's spirit cloud my judgement on this when I should have just consulted you about it? So tell me, if Jesus said, "the kingdom of heaven is within you," does that mean we're actually sky high right now? Cool! And here no one knew where heaven was.
@heresjohnny33 If God created us he didn't start out inside us and didn't leave the cosmic throne after the creation. Now I don't remember right off hand the context of that statement you used, but I believe he was referring to the idea that God gave us the ability to love (the glory and beauty of the kingdom) and in doing so imparted a piece of himself into us. I never said that God wasn't supposed to be with in us as well, its just that each interpretation has its own set of ideas about God.
@heresjohnny33 Looking back at my comment I made a grammatical error that kind of changed how my comment reads. What I meant was "What you speak of is the holy spirit that's supposedly with us" missing that word one word changes a lot...oops.
@manic2man I may have misread your response and for that I apologize. You'd be surprised how many times I have to argue with people that insist God exists (and is limited to) the sky. They really think we believe that God is like the Christof character from the Truman Show, overseeing and controlling everything from his bubble in the sky. God can be in the sky, as well as on the ground and etc. because GOD IS EVERYWHERE. A concept that many will never understand.
Reading the newspaper can be dangerous to the person who wants it to be. Your grandmother was more than likely a controlling, egocentric narcissist. And you DO excuse her. You do it by blaming ALL religious belief. It's payback time for you but you've got the wrong target lady. You go looking through the bible to find support for your vendetta the same exact way your psycho grandmother went through it to support her need for control. That makes you NO different than her.
@heresjohnny33 Have I led a destructive mind-control cult and killed families? Nope. So yeah, you're obviously a fucking moron if you think I am "NO different than her" (also, it should be different FROM not different than.)
You are going through the Bible and picking verse by verse to support your hatred for religion. You just did that and posted it to me in the other thread. I'm sure in many ways you are different than your grandmother--God I hope so. But she found support for her sadistic ways in THE EXACT SAME WAY as you find support for your claim that the Bible is full of hatred and commands to kill, etc. In that particular way, you are behaving exactly like her.
---yet because who you call "sunday christians" have a different understanding and definition of the word "faith", they are not following their bible. That breaks all the laws of reading comprehension. When you took reading classes did they grade you based on your getting the CORRECT meaning? Of course not---because there is no CORRECT meaning. There is only yours, mine, theirs and your batty grandmother's.
You are absolutely fucking right. I grew up in a fucked up fanatical religious setting too, and you're absolutely right. More people need to see this video.
Oh, and i've known families that don't believe in hospitals, and home-school their kids. they are pretty fanatical as well. I'm sorry you had to put up with that, i'm sure it was hard on you.
But at least you rock ... so i guess you gained something from it. you wouldn't be the strong, rational, understanding woman you are today without it.
@Talusmade Or maybe I'd be strong, rational & understanding but with the side benefit of being mentally well and financially secure and not disabled. That would rock. I got gypped out of a good childhood & hate to credit them with any success I've managed to scrape out of my life.
Angie, I like it. but there is evidence that it works... but not necessarily with GOD. several studies show that the mindset of the one being healed... medically or through prayer, have a major effect on recovery rate/survival rate. but if you have 10,000 people praying for you, and you don't feel at peace, or are in mental turmoil, you will probably not fair as well as someone alone and determined to survive. Faith breeds weakness, you rely on others... god, instead of yourself
hey angie, i know that you probably read the bible with youre family everyday in all good conscience, but reading the bible does not make you a christian. Being a christian comes through repenting of your sins and putting your faith in Jesus Christ. that he can take the punishment due for your sins and make you right with God. If we assume for arguments sake the bible is true, then if u were a true christian, u would be loving working for god now, not making this video in opposition to him.
@djr3000 - I'm sorry, but I'm fed up and going to take it out on you. WHY CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT FIGURE IT OUT? JUST TRY TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THE CONCEPT THAT REALITY HAS EVIDENCE FOR ITSELF, AND FANTASY DOESN'T. PLEASE!!!!! THERE IS A WAY TO KNOW THINGS AND WARM FEELINGS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. I almost never yell at theists but it gets so exhausting sometimes.
Thank you. I really liked the part when you talked about moderate christians cherry picking and if you have true faith, then faith healing makes perfect sense. An objective scientific approach to even our moral foundation can be achieved and serve this world so much better if we could all understand pack mentality by the suffering our history shows us. Keep up the good work.
Praying for children instead of getting medical attention is child abuse.
And in the bible it tells you not to go to the doctor...I can't remember the exact verse but it tells you if you are a christian not to worry about medicine because Jesus has you covered lol.
Great Points! and im sorry about your childhood. I had no idea anyone would be so stupid to believe so much in the bible. WOW! sad face.(no offense and nice boobs btw:P )
Religious adults should be encouraged to forsake medical treatment for "faith healing". That way, zealots will die off by their own hands and leave the rest of us to peace and reason. :-)
faith healing is bullshit that killed a few children in my state, i think that shit should be illigal and idiots must go get medical help instead of praying a waiting for them to die, it's basically murder.
all historical documents are copies of copies of copies. the Bible has thousands more copies with the majority of mistakes being spelling differences, whereas many secular historical documents have only 5 or 10 copies. Faith healing is a very difficult topic and you bring up valid points. I dont think it is Biblically wrong to see a doctor, and/or pray for healing (i do both).
@stefanierose88 No, we have original manuscripts of some ancient texts, which we don't for the Bible. The translation issues in the Bible are massive. The verse about handling snakes & being okay? Is a FORGERY. People have died for their faith in this "perfect book" God couldn't keep from containing death-causing advice like "Drink poison & you'll be fine!"
@AngieAntiTheist if there are historical original documents I havent heard of them, but the fact remains that the vast majoirity do not have them and we accept them as fact. where are you getting your info from? i'm curious about the sources. I have taken textual criticism classes for the Bible and I learned otherwise. I can back up what I'm saying.
@AngieAntiTheist i know there are groups that still use diluted strychnine as a faith test...though they dont have the faith to drink it full strength. That says it all, dont you agree?
God said He heals but only IF IF IF we walk in covenant with Him. We must obey Him. The reason you and others have been deceived and dissapointed is that man's church never has purged the practice of sin. The spirit of God only comes to those that obey Him. You are correct in rebuking "church" but are missing the living God who wants to heal you.
Forms of godliness are not godliness. If you never feared God, you never knew the true living God. He is real my friend and He alone gives revelation of the Bible but only to those that follow Him with a pure heart. You were religious but that means nothing to God. Come to the true God, repent and He will heal you and show you the truth.
You paid the price for someone's ignorance. Faith IS a virtue. Faith is trusting in and acting on God's still small voice. God has appointed apostles, prophets, teachers, workers of miracles, those having gifts of healing, those able to help others....1 Corinthians 12:27. Doctors have a gift of healing. It wouldn't show a lack of faith to allow God to work through one of His children w/the gift of healing.
James 5:13-16 seems to be a pretty solid justification for belief in faith healing. All of the promises in those passages are in the indicative mood; they're supposed to be certainties.
Fortunately, most people don't take that seriously.
If you have 100% faith in the bible, you're crazy. If you're a moderate, you're a hypocrite. But the moderate will defend his hypocrisy by saying... and this is an argument I used when I was a moderate... god put doctors, police and other people on this planet to work through him.Funny how god always has to work through other people. Like George Carlin said, maybe god is subject to physical laws. But wait, that can't be right, god is omnipotent, yet his angels do all the dirty work?
I have a godless day every day, thank you. You still don't attack xtians (or the many other faith belief systems)? Why not? You've realized that the fundamentalists aren't to be trusted, the cafeteria xtians aren't honest. You call yourself an anti-theist.
I think you're simply an atheist or agnostic. Read Christopher Hitchens and learn the difference. Peace.
BTW, could you raise that camera a few inches higher? The guys want to see more of your boobs;0)
@Albtraumen What makes you say I don't attack belief systems? Check out my channel! Haha I definitely speak my mind but that doesn't mean all xtians are liars. Some are great people who haven't seen thru chlidhood indoctrination or questioned their beliefs, that's all. And I know exactly what I am - I'm an atheist (no belief) and opposed to belief (antitheist) Does that help?
WHY does everyone wanna "correct" my own fucking name?
ps. I think you mean you want me to LOWER my camera angle
See, the ishue is that they are following the tachings of his Followers! My family was the same way, my father still is. But I know to much History to folow Dogma Established by the Chatholic Church in the Dark ages! Go read about the church before The two councils of Nicaea or Nicæa were ecumenical councils of the Christian church held in 325 and 787 ad.
Christianity, is the practice of The teachings of Christ. Try only reading the words in red. Then expand your understanding of the teachings of Christ, by reading the Korans Scriptures of the teachings of Christ. And remeber God, Christ said , at no point that he was God, But that he was a sacrifice, and mesanger from his Father, God! "None is good but God, Why call you me good?"
Many years ago during a religious event at the skydome I had a heart attack.Instead of calling for an ambulance,the people there started praying over me,when I came to at the hospital I was told tht had it not been for a little girl notifying security I probably would have died.On a side note,I was rushed to the closest hospital which happened to be a childrens hospital.The 1st thing I saw when I awoke was a cardboard cut out of woody woodpecker.I thought Id died and gone to hell.lol
Angie why are you so angry? I'm a committed Christian. God uses me in healing. I pray for people and pain goes away immediately. At the same time, I think those parents should have brought their children to the doctor. They're the exception and not the rule. I would never tell someone to cancel their doctors appointment after praying for them and seeing pain go away. God started using me this way after I got totally right with him. (Meaning I was grieved when I sinned against him.)
I am angry because children suffer needless pain & death. I am angry because I spent most of my life in pain & believing it was my fault (that I wasn't "right" with god). I'm angry because probably otherwise nice people like you support ideas that when taken to their "logical" ends kill people.
I agree there is a lot of needless pain and death. Rise up and do something about it. Don't attack Christians. I'm for life. When I pray, I boldly take authority over sickness and pain because I believe that is what God wants me to do. I'm his representative. You've got lots of spunk. I wish you were on my side.
Millions of people would disagree with you. I've posted video of me praying for people. They're total strangers and you can see by their reactions that it's real. I don't know if you can find them by my username. Let me know if you can't. Good night Angie. I'm going to sleep.
Forgive me, for this is going to sound very rude, but what makes you so special? A gift from God maybe? Why only you or such a tiny minority? Surely all humans should be given this gift, to spread the workload of ridding the world of suffering. Furthermore, scientifically you are a case study among a small minority of case studies, the evidence is heavily against you. And when i say evidence, i mean scientific studies, not millions of people's opinions. Facts>opinion. I'd love a reply. Thanks
Moderate Christians (I have known) say that faith is not just blind belief but something you have by virtue of living by a religion and seeing it work out for you. Another has pointed to Hebrews 11:1 as a definition of faith. I have not been able to understand why faith is not blind belief.
I can't believe that 36 states will excuse you for medically neglecting your child if it is for religious reasons!!! Is that really true?? I'm Australian and here I'm quite sure you would go to jail for that... That is so unbelievable!!
Oh it is true. Luckily most people aren't quite that into their religion that they utilize those laws but I've met several families that do. It makes me both furious and despondent at the same time.
@Azurerosa That's so awful! I have read about cases in America where couples have medically neglected their children and have prayed for them instead, but I had no idea you could be criminally excused for it!
You can and it frankly disgusts me. If you want to know more about it do a quick search on faith healing. The stories are numerous and quite depressing.
@Shovelk - Look up "Above Rubies". They're the Australian group who promoted & sold my grandmother's books over there. You've got faith healers in your midst, too. (Sorry for my part in that; I didn't know better at the time.)
Oh crap! Why?? Haha, I accept you apology. I've never heard of them before, I will look them up.
Yeah, it does weird me out because, despite being "secular", Australia is at it's heart quite conservative and Christianity does influence out government a lot. Hell, our current Prime Minister started his campaign in a church and promised Christian voters that he would block any attempt to legalise gay marriage!
Anti-theism is an extremely defensible position. Anyone with the slightest grounding in philosophy could hold and defend an anti-theistic position effortlessly. It would be bold of a theist to spend two minutes debating someone like Christopher Hitchens.
Theism is bold, choosing to believe people 2,000 years ago, that had no knowledge of Atoms/Bacteria/Electricity etc. Over scientists that have such an understanding of how the world actually works. That they can shine a light thru your finger and tell by the change of light how much oxygen is in your blood.
These scientists are currently figuring out how to make a computer inside a drop of water.
You're preaching to the choir sweetheart. In this day (less so than other's but still...) it is bold to pronounce an anti-theist stance. I'm just trying to compliment the chick.
I think Mathew and Luke wrote the bible.
megawelderguy 1 week ago
All you naive christian idiots here now should get off the computer cause you are using equipment made by science. Fucking murderers!
Occhublu 3 weeks ago
Your honesty and forthright miss is incredible congratulations
2hatelibs1 1 month ago
Your grandmother was crazy. Why judge all Christians according to her?
bettymadmen 1 month ago
AMEN!!!
etienne121177 1 month ago
I really love your videos... I just did a videoblog on the same topic before I found this, only you said it better!
AdamKincaid1 1 month ago
Dang!! Take a chill pill!!!!
Racingirl911 2 months ago
The view of mainstream Christianity is that god is in fact providing the doctors for your healing.
soho2014 2 months ago in playlist More videos from AngieAntiTheist
if there's no God, whose to say its wrong to not give a child medical attention? with nothing to initiate it, there would be no right or wrong.
theducttapeskater 2 months ago
PLEASE check out somma MY "God"-videos, lol!!!
WildManChrisVEVO 2 months ago
I believe in divine Healing but I would never neglect my child from a doctors care. I would take him to the Doctor then ask God to heal him..But I see you found your needle in the hay stack but so have I, and I am totally convinced that their is a god heaven now.. You have had a hard road to travel. My wife and I received the parents of the year award from a public school, I'm a step dad of 4 girls..Don't throw it all into the wind just because your parents did you wrong
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bubba007sss 3 months ago
What makes someone a "Christian" is Not what they DO. It's trusting in Jesus Christ and confessing who he is and that we're sinners and need our Savior Jesus to save us. It's recognizing the death and resurection of Jesus Christ for OUR sins. That he DIED for our sins!.
blacksheepgirl 3 months ago
@blacksheepgirl That he
DIED for our sins! I don't put my FAITH in MAN. I
put MY FAITH in GOD! I know that I'll be healed either
on Earth, or in Heaven. People who don't get their children medical help have
problems. God uses dr's just as he does miracles. That he
DIED for our sins! I don't put my FAITH in MAN. I
put MY FAITH in GOD! There's a difference in "faith" vrs foolishness.People lock doors to keep safe. Yes, God watches over us, but he wants us to use common sense.
blacksheepgirl 3 months ago
@blacksheepgirl i put my writing in note pad then put it on youtube, but double copied the one post.
blacksheepgirl 3 months ago
There's a difference
between a cult and having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
I'm visually
impaired, but God made me how he did. In the Bible
Jesus says that it's for his
blacksheepgirl 3 months ago
@blacksheepgirl In the Bible Jesus says handicapped people show forth his Glory.
blacksheepgirl 3 months ago
Prayer does have an effect. You seem so angry. I'm sorry that those things happened to you. Look at paul, he asked God to heal him 3 TIMEs. God said, "my grace is Sufficient for You." God uses dr's. God knows the heart. Jesus is the Word of God. So the word is always true. begining of John 1.
blacksheepgirl 3 months ago
Thanks for the video.The churches do more damage than good most the time.
kwisatz73 4 months ago
Come hang out! There are believers who actually walk in something incredible.just reaching out to you in love.
kwisatz73 4 months ago
Faith isn't how you live or what you do.It's walking in your true Identity in Christ. I love this video because this is so true.what you said I agree with 100 percent.you were actually preaching the Gospel of truth.now walk it out and change the problem.the problem isn't God it's the idiots who don't know who he is and walk in religion.you need to hang around a believer who walks in power.sorry that your parents were that way. This happens when you serve a God based on mans systems.If people un
kwisatz73 4 months ago
What do you know of MY evidence? Oh that's right, you can't think outside your laboratory controlled, science saturated box. An even better question, how could someone like you possibly think that any part of my conversation with you could make me "feel" in any way at all? No Christian love? Why? Because I stood up to your arrogant bullying? You came in here telling me what my EXACT thoughts, beliefs and foundations are and you don't even know my name. YOU are the fraud here.
heresjohnny33 7 months ago
@heresjohnny33 That suggestion for social skills training was not and ad hominem attack. It was a professional recommendation. I make them whenever I observe abnormalities in behavior.
heresjohnny33 7 months ago
I'm really enjoying this Christian love I'm feeling in the comments.
cmadison93 7 months ago 3
The average Christian you are talking about isn't even a 'real' Christian, the only 'real' Christians are those who total nutcases. All they do is massively cherry pick the Bible. I've tried mentioning this, quite kindly, to my 'very' Christian friends, but it just goes over their head. I've realized it's a truly hopeless situation. They don't care about the truth, they don't care about scientific advancement. It's practically worthless trying to help them learn of logic.
cmadison93 7 months ago
Faith healing isn't even the right method to heal one. If you want to faith heal through God, DO IT RIGHT!
Jesus was a healer, and he is not God. Prayer does not work. So what does? What is THE REAL GOD?
God-everything in the universe flows with energy, that energy is God
You are supposed to CHANNEL God energy to the sufferer through contact. Visualization works really well. Takes practice to do it though. Imagine universal energy going down your spine through your limbs and hands.
CBasie2856 7 months ago
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Oh Angie....you don't disbelieve in God. ...you hate Him. You're seeking retribution. You lived according to rules/the law, not faith. Faith doesn't mean we resolve to go without the resources God has provided. It means we are grateful and utilize the resources God has provided trusting that those he has not can be sought after in prayer &that ultimately this life is not our home. We don't look to this life for perfection because where God is absent there is pain; therefore we learn to seek him.
Exegesis21 9 months ago
Oh Angie....you don't disbelieve in God. ...you hate Him. You're seeking retribution. You lived according to rules/the law, not faith. Faith doesn't mean we resolve to go without the resources God has provided. It means we are grateful and utilize the resources God has provided trusting that those he has not can be sought after in prayer &that ultimately this life is not our home. We don't look to this life for perfection because where God is absent there is pain; therefore we learn to seek him.
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jraydunn 1 year ago
Reason is the power of the mind to know the causes of things (material, formal, efficient, and final). This is a broader view of reason than is commonly held in our times. Faith can be in many things, but it is certainly not (necessarily) antirational.
I'm not sure I could provide you with evidence that would actually satisfy you that faith supplements reason.
I would only offer that sometimes there is good reason to believe things for which we don't (yet) have empirical evidence.
smit1907 1 year ago
@smit1907 Yeah, I'd not to have evidence or at least a good example. If something doesn't have good evidence for it, I don't see how there CAN be a good reason to believe it. (ie, believing my ex husband would quit drinking b/c he promised, despite the evidence, would've been quite stupid and irrational)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
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@AngieAntiTheist
What about see this video in youtube, the reference is watch?v=O1FeRN5Yz2M
Your are wrong, God exists and He loves you, not the way you learned, see this video. Cut and past the final of the url and see this video.
faldemirjr61 1 year ago
@smit1907 Harmless faith is believing your favourite football team will win, even if they suck. I can't come up with another harmless example.
bonyoldbehind 4 months ago
You bring up some intersting points about how faith can be distorted, but faith without reason can be just as distorted as reason without faith.
Also, no disrespect intended, but secularism/atheism/scientism is not the only alternative to fundamentalism.
Further, a simple look at the bible should be sufficient to convince you that not everything in it should be interpreted literally, even some aspects of the New Testament.
Faith + Reason, not Faith or Reason. Integrate them.
smit1907 1 year ago
@smit1907 Please provide evidence for the claim that "faith without reason can be just as distorted as reason without faith." I'll quickly let you know how I see these terms, to see if that's where confusion lies. Faith = believing in things without evidence. Reason = believing things for good reason. They seem antithetical to me.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@smit1907 faith lol..... faith is for the feeble minded
okara83 11 months ago
@okara83 And scientism is for the narrow-minded....
I actually agree with you, if what you mean by faith is David Koresh and phenomenon like the stuff described by the video here.
Remember, there is a difference between faith and fundamentalism, just as there is a difference between science and scientism.
Both faith (in its various forms) and reason need to respect their proper spheres of knowledge. They are mutually informative, and shouldn't attempt to fulfill each other's role.
smithjamesthomas 11 months ago
@smithjamesthomas lol ok.... scientism... I can't stop laughing....
okara83 11 months ago
not to mention people "healed" by the shamans/sorcerers/quimboizers were never asked for anything, since the shaman(...) already "knows" what their problem is. so he just have to pop'n'hop around them to heal them.
this is awesome !
zecle 1 year ago
thanks to hippocrates who invented real medecine. like im' looking at you, i give you some shit i have and i ask you to come back to me next week to see if you feel better. and as soon as you leave, i write down what happened to you just in case someone with the same problem come to see me.
thanks to him we don't have shamans breakdancing and singing around the patient anymore.
zecle 1 year ago
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zecle 1 year ago
@zecle I'm very glad to be a member of modern science-and-medicine-using society, now that I'm permitted the opportunity :)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago 2
Sounds like Christian Science 2 I definetely a cult taking the bible out of context distortions!!!
eznowbruv 1 year ago
Wow,,,,,,36 states?I did not know that..
eoriol1955 1 year ago
Much respect, Angie. Enormous respect. <3
woxiedowg 1 year ago
Faith healers have been taught wrong theology. Youre the second person that I have seen that have been hurt by this rotten theology.
heidimule 1 year ago
If God didn't wrote the bible, using people (believers with holy spirit in them, and God is said to be a spirit, which makes sense), than God of bible is not real and he doesn't exist! Still, when I look at Earth, creation, our complicated mind's creativity, I can't shake the feeling that it was given to us from a Creator of life, who I don't know. Also is this life all, it passes, we die and dissapear forever? I would rather have it that way. But it's not that simple, is it?
Nik123dj 1 year ago
religion is boring! and fake! but your sexy you shouldnt be worried about this stuff u should be doin some sinnin under the covers!!!
accretioncleansing 1 year ago
@accretioncleansing Because my only purpose is to fulfill base animal desires, and not use this AWESOME brain I have? Naw, sound like something a misogynistic religious troll would want, not something I do.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago 11
@AngieAntiTheist As you know Angie amputees have never grown back a limb. I like your vids and have subscribed. You go girl.
aussielad71 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist LOL, don't you know that you can do both :-) But I recommend not doing both at the same time ^_^
Nilsy1975 1 year ago
your awesome
minichanz 1 year ago
Oh come on Angie. Where does the bible say that having faith means doing NOTHING else? It doesn't and you KNOW it. That's just your family's warped interpretation of the concept. So because mine is different it's wrong? Bull! Your family's hardly the gold standard for biblical understanding. I tell my children if they are out on a boat and it's storming to pray to heaven and row like hell. But I really should have had your sick grandma approve that first I guess. How silly of me.
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
@heresjohnny33 Since I've described my grandmother as heretical, batshit crazy, insane and a cult leader, I can't figure out where you get the idea I think she's a gold standard from. Probably your own touchiness about Christianity or the Bible being criticized. She's a nutter - duh. She's in a home now. However, because she could come up w/Biblical support for her ideas, she successfully led a cult & led people to their deaths. These are facts.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist Gee, I don't know. Perhaps because you continuously defend her actions for ridiculous reasons like "she was just doing what the bible said to do". There is NOWHERE in the bible where it says that in order to have faith one must lock him/herself away from all other resources and people. Obviously what the Bible says and what it means are two different things because the bible contains WORDS. Words mean different things to different people. NO ONE has the patent on meaning
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
@heresjohnny33 Continually defend her actions? Reread my above comment. You're right that the Bible is nothing more than words, dangerous words. It says conflicting and contradictory things throughout, and is a terrible "guide for living" or place to find a moral code. Now, what's so special about YOUR meaning (which you admit, may be just as wrong as hers, I hope)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist
What makes it special? Because it's MINE! Not yours, your grandmother's or anyone else's. I apply it to MY specific life and MY understanding. I don't stand in front of a crowd and tell everyone what the Bible means to them just because it means this or that to me. The dictionary defines "special" as distinguishable from others. Is my meaning special then? Yeah! And it makes it right for ME but most likely WRONG to others. Just like your grandma's is to others.
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
@heresjohnny33 Oh it's "right for you" but you don't think it holds any kind of objective truth accessible to other people? Or are you just playing semantics to pretend to be less certain than you are? Do you believe you are saved or "know" you are saved?
And if they're just 'right for you" what makes you think they ARE right for you? What standard do you use to determine they (your particular special thoughts & theories about your invisible sky daddy) are "right"?
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist How do you know what you think and feel? Does someone tell you? I BELIEVE I am saved because Jesus said I was. I'm not playing semantics, My God, I'm telling you what I f#$king think and feel? If there's one thing you should be learning in your therapy, it's that what a person thinks and feels is NEVER WRONG ----for THEM! It's what they think and feel. That's it! And that's what I'm telling you and that's all.
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
@heresjohnny33 Jesus said you are saved? Sorry to burst your bubble, but he didn't even exist, he's a myth. Go educate yourself about your baseless belief.
Gaze51 10 months ago
@Gaze51 Yeah, you said it so that makes it so. I'm curious, how big exactly is your ego that you think I would give a rat's ass about anything you say? Educate myself? And to think I wasted all that time getting a PHD when I should have been "educating myself" by talking to you. LMAO you're hilarious. You actually think you have the power to burst any of my bubbles! Haha Stop it, you're killing me!!
heresjohnny33 10 months ago
@heresjohnny33 You have a PhD in religious studies? And it's not that "I said so", read about the "evidence" of Jesus from someone else than apologetics, and you'll see the truth.
Gaze51 10 months ago
@Gaze51 No my PHD is not in religious studies but it is in a science. I don't know how old you are but I know how old I am and I don't think there's a chance in hell that you have done more research and reading on this than I have. NOT from apologetics, who I care nothing about. I do have real life professional experience with subjects and situations that you couldn't even imagine. I only consider evidence that I have seen myself. Also, absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence
heresjohnny33 10 months ago
@heresjohnny33 Are you fucking kidding me with that last sentence? How about Russel's teapot, the spaghetti monster, unicorns or fairies? If you have a PhD, I'm an elephant.
Gaze51 10 months ago
@Gaze51 Then you're an elephant. I do apologize for adding that last sentence. You see I meant it as an after thought and figured even an idiot could see that wasn't my entire argument. I guess I'm just used to speaking with other highly intelligent people who are able to understand entire context sand read complete paragraphs, not people who are lack the brain flexibility to hold two varying thoughts in their head simultaneously. . My mistake.
heresjohnny33 10 months ago
@Gaze51 Not only are you an elephant but you are clearly the dumbest person here on Youtube I have ever spoken with. And I've spoken with a lot. You have a hard time following a discussion, you assume rather than question, you assign characteristics to things you have no basis for, you depend upon profanity rather than quality words to make your point and you are absent a personality. I bet you spend every night behind your only friend, the computer. You must be quite the loser.
heresjohnny33 10 months ago
@heresjohnny33 blablabla, ad hominem, blabla. NEXT! Also, 94% scientists are nongreligious, you're in the deluded minority.
Gaze51 10 months ago
@Gaze51 Laboratory scientists perhaps but how about the real world? The field of medicine is unarguably a scientific field is it not? Why do 76% of doctors believe in God? Don't believe me, then you haven't done your homework/reading like you said. A well respected study was completed not long ago that yielded this result. I can't post a link on here but if you google just the words "doctors believe in God" the very first result will bring you to an MSNBC link about it. not so minority
heresjohnny33 10 months ago
@heresjohnny33
1. Doctors aren't the one doing the actual research and process of putting together the medicine they use. They simply know how the body reacts to the medicine and they need to know NOTHING of how the actual medicine works and was designed or of evolution
2. That's just a big fallacy you just used. I suggest googling "list of logical fallacies" and clicking on the Wikipedia page that shows up and go through each and every one of those before you try to defend your belief in God.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@cmadison93 LOL, perhaps my foundation for faith is strange to you. I need not "look it up" on Wikipedia. It is an accumulation of all of the thoughts, perceptions, emotions and events of my own personal, intimate life. What hath Wikipedia to say of it?
And if you are seeing physicians who know NOTHING of how actual medicine works or of evolution, then you are grave danger should you need medical care.
heresjohnny33 7 months ago
@heresjohnny33
That is more doctors than you would like to think. Their belief in evolution/understanding of the specifics of creating the medicine have NOTHING to do with what they are diagnosing, and what medications they are giving to you.
The point is that those who are the 'hard' scientists and social scientists have higher IQ's, and are significantly better at this little thing called 'critical thinking'.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@heresjohnny33
And once again, I suggest looking into a list of fallacies. Your 'foundation of faith' is probably made up entirely of them. I don't feel like 'debating' with someone who doesn't respect logic.
Cheers. =)
cmadison93 7 months ago
@cmadison93 You are really something. You have NO idea what I do and don't respect but I can tell you with all certainty that it is NOT the opinion of some faceless yet judgmental, smarty pants sitting on their laptop and spilling out grandiosity like monkey vomit. You're in serious need of social skill training. Check with your local community education department for availability.
heresjohnny33 7 months ago
@heresjohnny33
Whatever makes you feel good about yourself! =)
Seriously, check into logical fallacies, though.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@heresjohnny33
And for future reference:
Psychologists, Anthropologists (including archaeologists), Economists, Physicists, Biologists, Chemists, etc. (all of the social science and physical sciences - the ones that do the bulk of the work, not just being doctors who know very little of the actual product they are subscribing to others) are FAR more likely to be atheist. Of those who do believe in God (few), they are extremely non-religious.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@heresjohnny33
What of the people with PhD's? What of all the (hard) scientists?
Are you going to simply state that they don't understand what the 'real world' is like? Have you ever met anyone with a PhD, outside of the classroom? Do you know what their personal life is like?
Anyway, once again, I suggest looking into that list of fallacies I suggested.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@cmadison93 Have you met anyone with a PHD outside of the classroom? Oh brother, more than you ever know. Perhaps you should spend less time learning about people online and spend some actual time with them. The sunlight may do you some good as well.
heresjohnny33 7 months ago
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@heresjohnny33
"Perhaps you should spend less time learning about people online and spend some actual time with them. The sunlight may do you some good as well."
Hmm? What exactly is this supposed to mean? It seems all you can do is completely dodge the points I've brought up and resort to ad hominems.
And yes, I know dozens of people with PhD's and they aren't 'secluded' or 'don't understand the real world'. Yes, I spend 6 hours a day outside.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@heresjohnny33
I would appreciate it if you could form a rational argument and not resort to pathetic ad hominem attacks (and other fallacies, for that matter). You have 0 evidence for your belief, and I understand that that's a very hard thing to face.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@cmadison93 I'll make a deal with you OK? You come back here and get the last word. You can say whatever you like, flex all of your intellectual muscles, call me and idiot or any name you want and I won't respond with a single word. What is my part of the deal? I don't ever have to read another letter you type! I think it's a win-win since there isn't a thing that either of us can say to the other that would change a thing. And you'll still feel superior which you seem to need desperately.
heresjohnny33 7 months ago
@heresjohnny33
Sure, why not.
I'll say the same thing I've already stated:
Look into this little thing called logical fallacies.
cmadison93 7 months ago
@AngieAntiTheist
There's that hilarious "sky daddy" reference again. That makes NO sense. You who have read your bible so well should know that it doesn't say God lives in the sky but in the heart of man. I'm sure that sky daddy thing a hilarious reference to those who will never understand that concept.
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
@heresjohnny33 And Jesus didn't get lifted up into the heavens to sit by the right hand of "sky daddy"...you speak of the holy spirit that's supposedly with us, but when it comes down to stories in the bible (mostly in the old testament) they suggest both directly and indirectly that he's up in the heavens. Father, son and holy spirit don't all just sit around together in one spot in your heart according to the reference material you use...
manic2man 1 year ago
@manic2man Oh, that's right! I forgot about that part! You've changed my mind completely! I'm SO embarrassed that I ever let the numerous other references to God's spirit cloud my judgement on this when I should have just consulted you about it? So tell me, if Jesus said, "the kingdom of heaven is within you," does that mean we're actually sky high right now? Cool! And here no one knew where heaven was.
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
@heresjohnny33 If God created us he didn't start out inside us and didn't leave the cosmic throne after the creation. Now I don't remember right off hand the context of that statement you used, but I believe he was referring to the idea that God gave us the ability to love (the glory and beauty of the kingdom) and in doing so imparted a piece of himself into us. I never said that God wasn't supposed to be with in us as well, its just that each interpretation has its own set of ideas about God.
manic2man 1 year ago
@heresjohnny33 Looking back at my comment I made a grammatical error that kind of changed how my comment reads. What I meant was "What you speak of is the holy spirit that's supposedly with us" missing that word one word changes a lot...oops.
manic2man 1 year ago
@manic2man I may have misread your response and for that I apologize. You'd be surprised how many times I have to argue with people that insist God exists (and is limited to) the sky. They really think we believe that God is like the Christof character from the Truman Show, overseeing and controlling everything from his bubble in the sky. God can be in the sky, as well as on the ground and etc. because GOD IS EVERYWHERE. A concept that many will never understand.
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist
Reading the newspaper can be dangerous to the person who wants it to be. Your grandmother was more than likely a controlling, egocentric narcissist. And you DO excuse her. You do it by blaming ALL religious belief. It's payback time for you but you've got the wrong target lady. You go looking through the bible to find support for your vendetta the same exact way your psycho grandmother went through it to support her need for control. That makes you NO different than her.
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
@heresjohnny33 Have I led a destructive mind-control cult and killed families? Nope. So yeah, you're obviously a fucking moron if you think I am "NO different than her" (also, it should be different FROM not different than.)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist
You are going through the Bible and picking verse by verse to support your hatred for religion. You just did that and posted it to me in the other thread. I'm sure in many ways you are different than your grandmother--God I hope so. But she found support for her sadistic ways in THE EXACT SAME WAY as you find support for your claim that the Bible is full of hatred and commands to kill, etc. In that particular way, you are behaving exactly like her.
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
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heresjohnny33 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist
---yet because who you call "sunday christians" have a different understanding and definition of the word "faith", they are not following their bible. That breaks all the laws of reading comprehension. When you took reading classes did they grade you based on your getting the CORRECT meaning? Of course not---because there is no CORRECT meaning. There is only yours, mine, theirs and your batty grandmother's.
heresjohnny33 1 year ago
You are absolutely fucking right. I grew up in a fucked up fanatical religious setting too, and you're absolutely right. More people need to see this video.
01234V43210 1 year ago
Oh, and i've known families that don't believe in hospitals, and home-school their kids. they are pretty fanatical as well. I'm sorry you had to put up with that, i'm sure it was hard on you.
But at least you rock ... so i guess you gained something from it. you wouldn't be the strong, rational, understanding woman you are today without it.
Talusmade 1 year ago
@Talusmade Or maybe I'd be strong, rational & understanding but with the side benefit of being mentally well and financially secure and not disabled. That would rock. I got gypped out of a good childhood & hate to credit them with any success I've managed to scrape out of my life.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
Angie, I like it. but there is evidence that it works... but not necessarily with GOD. several studies show that the mindset of the one being healed... medically or through prayer, have a major effect on recovery rate/survival rate. but if you have 10,000 people praying for you, and you don't feel at peace, or are in mental turmoil, you will probably not fair as well as someone alone and determined to survive. Faith breeds weakness, you rely on others... god, instead of yourself
Talusmade 1 year ago
lol 1 person out of 175 don't like this vid
CF1791ROLFMAO 1 year ago
This video pissed me off. It's so fucked up. Glad you don't have to deal with any of that bullshit anymore.
Shalek 1 year ago
hey angie, i know that you probably read the bible with youre family everyday in all good conscience, but reading the bible does not make you a christian. Being a christian comes through repenting of your sins and putting your faith in Jesus Christ. that he can take the punishment due for your sins and make you right with God. If we assume for arguments sake the bible is true, then if u were a true christian, u would be loving working for god now, not making this video in opposition to him.
djr3000 1 year ago
@djr3000 Repenting of my sin? Check. Putting my faith in Jesus? Check. I did that stuff. Doesn't make god real.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
@djr3000 - I'm sorry, but I'm fed up and going to take it out on you. WHY CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT FIGURE IT OUT? JUST TRY TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THE CONCEPT THAT REALITY HAS EVIDENCE FOR ITSELF, AND FANTASY DOESN'T. PLEASE!!!!! THERE IS A WAY TO KNOW THINGS AND WARM FEELINGS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. I almost never yell at theists but it gets so exhausting sometimes.
KaelaCarver 1 year ago
@djr3000 You're fucking stupid.
01234V43210 1 year ago
@01234V43210 Why im so angry that you insulted me like this, ive been thinking hard all weekend about how im gonna reply.... well here it is;
smelly farty pants!
djr3000 1 year ago
You kinda look like the blonde chick in "The Town".
Skarotum 1 year ago
Nice tits!
moushim00shi 1 year ago
Nice tits
moushim00shi 1 year ago
Thank you. I really liked the part when you talked about moderate christians cherry picking and if you have true faith, then faith healing makes perfect sense. An objective scientific approach to even our moral foundation can be achieved and serve this world so much better if we could all understand pack mentality by the suffering our history shows us. Keep up the good work.
snackmanta 1 year ago
Good video.
Praying for children instead of getting medical attention is child abuse.
And in the bible it tells you not to go to the doctor...I can't remember the exact verse but it tells you if you are a christian not to worry about medicine because Jesus has you covered lol.
Your hot too BTW.
goonodeath 1 year ago
Great Points! and im sorry about your childhood. I had no idea anyone would be so stupid to believe so much in the bible. WOW! sad face.(no offense and nice boobs btw:P )
AtheistsNeedLoveToo 1 year ago
She's a right little fucking sage isnt she
GenocideByProxy666 1 year ago
Religious adults should be encouraged to forsake medical treatment for "faith healing". That way, zealots will die off by their own hands and leave the rest of us to peace and reason. :-)
Hottides 1 year ago
faith healing is bullshit that killed a few children in my state, i think that shit should be illigal and idiots must go get medical help instead of praying a waiting for them to die, it's basically murder.
zamrok73 1 year ago
all historical documents are copies of copies of copies. the Bible has thousands more copies with the majority of mistakes being spelling differences, whereas many secular historical documents have only 5 or 10 copies. Faith healing is a very difficult topic and you bring up valid points. I dont think it is Biblically wrong to see a doctor, and/or pray for healing (i do both).
stefanierose88 1 year ago
@stefanierose88 No, we have original manuscripts of some ancient texts, which we don't for the Bible. The translation issues in the Bible are massive. The verse about handling snakes & being okay? Is a FORGERY. People have died for their faith in this "perfect book" God couldn't keep from containing death-causing advice like "Drink poison & you'll be fine!"
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago 9
@AngieAntiTheist if there are historical original documents I havent heard of them, but the fact remains that the vast majoirity do not have them and we accept them as fact. where are you getting your info from? i'm curious about the sources. I have taken textual criticism classes for the Bible and I learned otherwise. I can back up what I'm saying.
stefanierose88 1 year ago
@AngieAntiTheist i know there are groups that still use diluted strychnine as a faith test...though they dont have the faith to drink it full strength. That says it all, dont you agree?
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God said He heals but only IF IF IF we walk in covenant with Him. We must obey Him. The reason you and others have been deceived and dissapointed is that man's church never has purged the practice of sin. The spirit of God only comes to those that obey Him. You are correct in rebuking "church" but are missing the living God who wants to heal you.
Formertelecomguy 1 year ago
@Formertelecomguy You assume things you could not possibly know about me, and claim things no one could know about god. I think you're full of shit.
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago 3
@Formertelecomguy - How about those amputees? God will heal them by regrowing the limb, right?
BlakThundar 1 year ago
Forms of godliness are not godliness. If you never feared God, you never knew the true living God. He is real my friend and He alone gives revelation of the Bible but only to those that follow Him with a pure heart. You were religious but that means nothing to God. Come to the true God, repent and He will heal you and show you the truth.
Formertelecomguy 1 year ago
You rule Angie!
josephedwardperez 1 year ago
Don't put the Bible down because of the ignorance of others.
celeste1053 1 year ago
You paid the price for someone's ignorance. Faith IS a virtue. Faith is trusting in and acting on God's still small voice. God has appointed apostles, prophets, teachers, workers of miracles, those having gifts of healing, those able to help others....1 Corinthians 12:27. Doctors have a gift of healing. It wouldn't show a lack of faith to allow God to work through one of His children w/the gift of healing.
celeste1053 1 year ago
Your passion makes you hot!!
u2youtoo 1 year ago
James 5:13-16 seems to be a pretty solid justification for belief in faith healing. All of the promises in those passages are in the indicative mood; they're supposed to be certainties.
Fortunately, most people don't take that seriously.
violentlygraceful 1 year ago
If you have 100% faith in the bible, you're crazy. If you're a moderate, you're a hypocrite. But the moderate will defend his hypocrisy by saying... and this is an argument I used when I was a moderate... god put doctors, police and other people on this planet to work through him.Funny how god always has to work through other people. Like George Carlin said, maybe god is subject to physical laws. But wait, that can't be right, god is omnipotent, yet his angels do all the dirty work?
atimnie 1 year ago
I have a godless day every day, thank you. You still don't attack xtians (or the many other faith belief systems)? Why not? You've realized that the fundamentalists aren't to be trusted, the cafeteria xtians aren't honest. You call yourself an anti-theist.
I think you're simply an atheist or agnostic. Read Christopher Hitchens and learn the difference. Peace.
BTW, could you raise that camera a few inches higher? The guys want to see more of your boobs;0)
Albtraumen 1 year ago
@Albtraumen What makes you say I don't attack belief systems? Check out my channel! Haha I definitely speak my mind but that doesn't mean all xtians are liars. Some are great people who haven't seen thru chlidhood indoctrination or questioned their beliefs, that's all. And I know exactly what I am - I'm an atheist (no belief) and opposed to belief (antitheist) Does that help?
WHY does everyone wanna "correct" my own fucking name?
ps. I think you mean you want me to LOWER my camera angle
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago 2
You are a hero Angie
guidi2005 1 year ago
See, the ishue is that they are following the tachings of his Followers! My family was the same way, my father still is. But I know to much History to folow Dogma Established by the Chatholic Church in the Dark ages! Go read about the church before The two councils of Nicaea or Nicæa were ecumenical councils of the Christian church held in 325 and 787 ad.
FireDropTechnologies 1 year ago
Angie? The way you where Raised?
That's Religion, and Dogma, not faith!
Christianity, is the practice of The teachings of Christ. Try only reading the words in red. Then expand your understanding of the teachings of Christ, by reading the Korans Scriptures of the teachings of Christ. And remeber God, Christ said , at no point that he was God, But that he was a sacrifice, and mesanger from his Father, God! "None is good but God, Why call you me good?"
FireDropTechnologies 1 year ago
your family are retards. I trust you dont talk to them anymore..... shall I kick the shit out out of them for you ?
SuperAgnostic1 1 year ago
3 years with a dislocated hip damn are you still on speaking terms with your parents
dusty8512 1 year ago
@dusty8512 No, I'm not really speaking with either my mom (because she still thinks I was "faking it") or my grandma (who now has Alzheimer's)
AngieAntiTheist 1 year ago
A beautiful girl which uses her brains.. Won't you marry me? *in luv!* ^_^
Marcel7984 1 year ago
Many years ago during a religious event at the skydome I had a heart attack.Instead of calling for an ambulance,the people there started praying over me,when I came to at the hospital I was told tht had it not been for a little girl notifying security I probably would have died.On a side note,I was rushed to the closest hospital which happened to be a childrens hospital.The 1st thing I saw when I awoke was a cardboard cut out of woody woodpecker.I thought Id died and gone to hell.lol
ranchai100 1 year ago
horrible angle, but a good video...
Gplex 1 year ago
What a powerful and great video!
KasparHauser4 2 years ago
Angie why are you so angry? I'm a committed Christian. God uses me in healing. I pray for people and pain goes away immediately. At the same time, I think those parents should have brought their children to the doctor. They're the exception and not the rule. I would never tell someone to cancel their doctors appointment after praying for them and seeing pain go away. God started using me this way after I got totally right with him. (Meaning I was grieved when I sinned against him.)
mrtomff7 2 years ago
I am angry because children suffer needless pain & death. I am angry because I spent most of my life in pain & believing it was my fault (that I wasn't "right" with god). I'm angry because probably otherwise nice people like you support ideas that when taken to their "logical" ends kill people.
AngieAntiTheist 2 years ago
I agree there is a lot of needless pain and death. Rise up and do something about it. Don't attack Christians. I'm for life. When I pray, I boldly take authority over sickness and pain because I believe that is what God wants me to do. I'm his representative. You've got lots of spunk. I wish you were on my side.
mrtomff7 2 years ago
@mrtomff7 - I'm not attacking Christians. I'm countering Christian doctrine. It's an important distinction.
Also I laughed at your combo "do something" and "pray". Prayer accomplishes nothing, according to every credible study ever done on the subject.
AngieAntiTheist 2 years ago
Millions of people would disagree with you. I've posted video of me praying for people. They're total strangers and you can see by their reactions that it's real. I don't know if you can find them by my username. Let me know if you can't. Good night Angie. I'm going to sleep.
mrtomff7 2 years ago
Forgive me, for this is going to sound very rude, but what makes you so special? A gift from God maybe? Why only you or such a tiny minority? Surely all humans should be given this gift, to spread the workload of ridding the world of suffering. Furthermore, scientifically you are a case study among a small minority of case studies, the evidence is heavily against you. And when i say evidence, i mean scientific studies, not millions of people's opinions. Facts>opinion. I'd love a reply. Thanks
mattman463018 1 year ago
@mrtomff7 god needs to get off his lazy ass, "representatives" my ass.
zamrok73 1 year ago
Moderate Christians (I have known) say that faith is not just blind belief but something you have by virtue of living by a religion and seeing it work out for you. Another has pointed to Hebrews 11:1 as a definition of faith. I have not been able to understand why faith is not blind belief.
qwistrod 2 years ago
So a doctor can "fix" your leg, but Jesus can't, can the be caused by demons working through the doctor's body or soul? I'm an atheist...
Corcoancaoc 2 years ago
@Corcoancaoc if you can't explain it, duh debul did it.
zamrok73 1 year ago
I can't believe that 36 states will excuse you for medically neglecting your child if it is for religious reasons!!! Is that really true?? I'm Australian and here I'm quite sure you would go to jail for that... That is so unbelievable!!
Shovelk 2 years ago
Oh it is true. Luckily most people aren't quite that into their religion that they utilize those laws but I've met several families that do. It makes me both furious and despondent at the same time.
Azurerosa 2 years ago
@Azurerosa That's so awful! I have read about cases in America where couples have medically neglected their children and have prayed for them instead, but I had no idea you could be criminally excused for it!
Shovelk 2 years ago
You can and it frankly disgusts me. If you want to know more about it do a quick search on faith healing. The stories are numerous and quite depressing.
Azurerosa 2 years ago
@Shovelk - Look up "Above Rubies". They're the Australian group who promoted & sold my grandmother's books over there. You've got faith healers in your midst, too. (Sorry for my part in that; I didn't know better at the time.)
AngieAntiTheist 2 years ago
@AngieAntiTheist
Oh crap! Why?? Haha, I accept you apology. I've never heard of them before, I will look them up.
Yeah, it does weird me out because, despite being "secular", Australia is at it's heart quite conservative and Christianity does influence out government a lot. Hell, our current Prime Minister started his campaign in a church and promised Christian voters that he would block any attempt to legalise gay marriage!
Shovelk 2 years ago
fantastic vid. so very, very true and necessary to be said.
PlanetBongoSan 2 years ago
I signed and sent the petition ... thanks for the link and the info!
You're Awesome!
XOXOX
Mark
msginca 2 years ago
Anti-theism is an extremely defensible position. Anyone with the slightest grounding in philosophy could hold and defend an anti-theistic position effortlessly. It would be bold of a theist to spend two minutes debating someone like Christopher Hitchens.
vooooom 2 years ago
Anti-Theism is bold.
longslidenyc 2 years ago
Theism is bold, choosing to believe people 2,000 years ago, that had no knowledge of Atoms/Bacteria/Electricity etc. Over scientists that have such an understanding of how the world actually works. That they can shine a light thru your finger and tell by the change of light how much oxygen is in your blood.
These scientists are currently figuring out how to make a computer inside a drop of water.
Yet, you would deny the Scientific Method.
Vynjira 2 years ago
You're preaching to the choir sweetheart. In this day (less so than other's but still...) it is bold to pronounce an anti-theist stance. I'm just trying to compliment the chick.
longslidenyc 2 years ago
Atheism is a conclusion.
longslidenyc 2 years ago
I somehow missed the part of the story where the Doctor's from her church did nothing but check her pulse and call the Pastor for help...
I still can't quite wrap my mind around that part of the story..
Vynjira 2 years ago
You keep looking up and to your right??Who's up there????You got issues gal...take care of yourself
stitsenj 2 years ago
it sounds like u were abused as a child!! im so sad hearing your story! i agree with u 100% on everything u've said! xoxox
zestrus11 2 years ago