Why not teach the creation story of the olympian pantheon too then? With Zeus and all that. And the norwegian religion with Odin and the world tree and the frost giants? Or the egyptian one? Etcetera etcetera etcetera... Why only the christian creation "theory"?
America was never a "christian nation". Stop using this argument and even IF it was, that absolutely NO effect on the validity of The Theory of Evolution by means of Natural Selection.
I'll agree to let the religionists have Creationism taught in public schools the day that Evolution is required to be taught every Sunday in churches, synagogues, and mosques. If the Creationists want to stand behind their plea to "Teach the Controversy" then let's make it fair. I'm sure that there are many teachers who would be more than willing to spend time on Sundays teaching evolution in places of worship. Heck, I would even give it a shot.
Publicly funded catholic schools in Canada teach evolution. Pope John Paul II affirmed his belief in evolution. It's really the only theory that make any sense.
Still in the dark ages down there.. And that's SO weird! How retarded do you really have to be to "believe that every single word in The Bible is true"? And how can as many as 50 percent of them be that retarded?: (
"For academic integrity and honesty..." that doesn't exist in the classroom of creationists! Creation was given a 2000 years head start, and all it did was say "God did it"... is THAT what you want to spend your class time talking about? Really, WHAT else are you going to say? The theory of evolution has been around for some 150 and gathered LOADS more evidence for itself than creationism did in 2000! Ppl believed in creation, but then a better explanation came along, MOVE ON!
LOOOL "And if we push him [God] out, I think he is going to remove his hand of protection from us"... Sigh, an educated person who allows himself to be so brainwashed by religion!!! Someone should let him know that there are a dozens of countries that have higher % of population who are Christians than the USA, like up to 99%... and MOST of them live in poverty and crime! "Hand of protection"... don't make me laugh! 'God' doesn't seem to give a shit about how many people worship him!
I love how he says he can't prove creationism BUT he wants it in the schools anyway.
Guess what...scientists proved evolution by putting together real evidence and fossil records to show the process. They also mapped out the entire DNA of man to show that we can and do evolve.
People are more likely to beleive in evolution with a higher education because educated people have a dedication to the truth. They don't just want to be right they want to learn how the world really works.
Creationism in schools... that's what the fundamentalists like the Taliban do. He talks about intellectual honesty and that we should include elements outside of nature.... well, considering we have no evidence of ANYTHING outside of nature, it is best kept in one's personal faith or in a religious course. He notes evolutionists are non-beleivers... well, most scientists and evolutionists are religious, they just aren't idiots. As for ID and Creation, 100% are religious, that speaks volumes.
for anyone interested in knowing the real darwin i suggest you find an interesting book called the darwin manifesto chronicled y one of his aids before he died. Its not a book you will find easily in the social darwinist censored media but it is the bare facts on darwins beliefs before death and was a major contribution to me leaving atheism.
These people are idiots... let's also teach astrology, dianetics, and feng shui in science classes. This guys hair cut alone makes me doubt ALL of his credentials...
He's right about one thing... the elite ARE non-believers... that's why they are the elite... they think.
@kailabreece yep and thats also why all you western atheists brainwashed by the social darwinist elite (and big believers in eugenics and transhumanism) are destined to be slaves to them in the future.
@MuslimApostate Your comment is laughable. Your understanding of evolution and Charles Darwin is infantile and biased (religious fundamentalism) and your morality is certainly in question if you make comments about the future state of human slavery. You should be embarrassed... this is the 21st century...
@kailabreece Laughable to all or just u smart one? And as for my understanding of charles darwin i probably know alot more about him then you do seeing as i did a full autobiography of the guy for my last college SAT test. Oh yeah and seeing as i have major in cellular bio and currently taking a physics course online for the international art intstitute find it laughabl for someone who probably is an atheist to be an individual and not because he has some knowledge in science.
@MuslimApostate Very laughable indeed. You said you wrote an "autobiography?" Auto means "self"... and since you are NOT Mr. Darwin, it was a biography you wrote, not an auto-biogrpahy.
Creationist scientists LONG before Darwin published the concept of natural selection and all speciation from the species to family level are evidence for creation. Darwin's only unique idea that differs from prior creation is his speculation that speciation can continue WAY past the family level all the way up to astoundingly the kingdome level...but none of this has any testable evidence supporting it. ALL testable evidence of speciation falls entirely within creation sciecne.
@dotoree Simply: You're wrong. There is no such thing as a creationist scientist, because creationism is not science, and "creation science" did not exist until the 1920's, so it does not predate evolutionary theory or Darwin's ideas. creation science was born as an alternative 2 evolution by evangelical christians in the US. They were afraid of losing god and thusly tried 2 legitimize the bible through evidence. sadly, thats not how science works, evidence then theory, not the other way around.
@kailabreece I'm sorry, but you are obviously completely uninformed on the issue. There have been creation scientists for many centuries and the first recorded scientific experiment with a control group was done by Daniel around 5-600 BC. Kepler, Pasteur, Mendel, Faraday and hordes of other scientists were all creation scientists. Edward Blyth was a creationist who published the natural selection concept in 1835-37 in British scientific magazines LONG before Darwin and I have references.
@kailabreece You believe propaganda about creation science that has not the least semblance of similarity to reality. Bible science TODAY causes people who follow it to live 10+ years longer than the average and this has been confirmed by the NIH, National Geographic, Blue Zones Research&other secular sources. Creation science is far far more scientific than the evolution myth if any fair tests are done. You are simply uninformed on the issues and can't make a rational judgement at present.
@dotoree I'm not going to argue with you. There are too many holes in everything you've written. You say I'm misinformed... there is no evidence.... 99% of the scientific global community would disagree with you. Be well.
@kailabreece Evolution is not a theory. It's little more than a hypothesis based almost exclusively on extrapolations and speculations. It also depends on the evolutionist establishment lying to people about indisputable scientific history. I HIGHLY recommend you google "genesis conflict" Dr. Veith for very solid evidence of creation science from a former atheist with a Ph.D. in zoology. Reams of evidence can be found there. Esp. see "Genes of Genesis", "A Universal Flood", etc.
@MuslimApostate Secondly, being an atheist says nothing of my academic background... all my degrees (I have multiple post-graduate) do not pertain to science, however my mother is a micro-biologist and have read more than enough to understand the theory. The mere mention that your major is biology and you don't understand evolutionary biology is testament to either your schools lack of teaching or your inability to comprehend the material. Genetics has made the theory even stronger.
@kailabreece the nly thing thats testiment is that one of the biggest rules of understanding biology is that everything that is made on this planet and beyond has a source to it and the very idea that the universe just came from nothingness to me is even more insane then the belief of an invisible man in the sky. Sorry but thats my opinion. Take it or leave it.
@MuslimApostate Nowhere in science, especially biology, does it claim something came from nothing. That was the "interpretation" of an idiot...
Define nothing. Even "dark matter" is something... we have never come across true "nothingness." Evolutionary biology advocates that complexity began simply... creation proposes the notion that the most complex thing feasible was first... and it claims this through "every design has a designer"... That is nonsense.
@MuslimApostate Also, taking a pysics course at an Art Institute? You might not want 2 mention that next time, or just get your MD from a Film School. My position on god and science have no correlation, god is just silly and science is real, evolutionary biology is one of the strongest theories every constructed, it's up there with relativity and the laws of motion... unfortunately it has been very unpopular in uneducated/religious circles, don't let yourself fall victim to the nonsense.
@kailabreece so what difference does it make what type of school it is compared to one that specializes in biology classes. The only major difference is the students who go to the latter have more foresight on what they're learning.
@MuslimApostate Please don't call me smart guy. I don't call you dumb kid. I too am somewhat of a deist, my argument was not with your position on supernatural beliefs, I could care less about that nonsense. I was making fun of your lack of understanding in the field of evolutionary biology. I recommend you change your major, or at the very least come up with some evidence DISPROVING evolution, otherwise u will look silly. And don't call it darwinism, do you call the theory of gravity Newtonism?
@MuslimApostate Deism for sure has more evidence than atheism does...but Christianity has a lot more than either of them. Most people have emotional reasaons for resisting Christianity based on misunderstanding it, just like people misunderstand creation science and just like American misunderstand socialism in Europe for example.
@dotoree Wow. Christianity has more evidence than atheism??? I don't where to begin. For one, atheism has no evidence... it requires none... it is an absence of faith regarding the supernatural. Christianity has zero evidence. Citing the bible as evidence does not count... and the means by which "evidence" works is the burden lies on the one making the claim... christianity. What are your educational backgrounds, aside from attending church 8 days per week?
@kailabreece A) Majority has never guaranteed something is true, ESPECIALLY when only one side of the evidence is presented. 99% or more of political scientists in Russia agreed with communism too once all schools taught only that.
B) Sorry, but a view without evidence is 100% faith. So, you're saying that atheism is 100% faith.
C) The idea that Christianity has no evidence is one of the most stupendous falsehoods in all history. No informed person would ever say such nonsense.
@dotoree Political science & the scientific method r not the same. You r correct in that the majority means nothing, but in science evidence is truth.... & the evidence points to evolution. Creation has no evidence because how could one even prove such a hypothesis. there is no way to test it??? Have you ever taken a science class?
b) Faith is belief with doubt. Atheism is an absence of belief... no faith is required to not believe in smurfs.
@kailabreece I've taken many science classes and got all As in them. I also teach science some. I'm doing some units on it right now with some students. The scientific method is used in almost any professional field ranging from chemistry to linguistics to theology. Remember, one of my part time jobs has been editing professional papers.
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I know most people think the evidence points to evolution. That simply is not true and creation science has FAR more evidence than evolution.
@kailabreece The Bible IS evidence and even many secular scholars agree that it is. It has led to many important discoveries in science and history. Even Discovery Channel and the History Channel have pointed this out. For example skeptics scoffed at the Bible's account of a Hittite empire saying there was no evidence of this. No Discovery channel has videos on the Hittite empire and it's war wtih Egypt. This is just 1 tiny example of 1000s of pieces of evidence.
@dotoree While the Bible is most certainly evidence and has stated crucial truths of science and history 1000s of years before scholars figured it out, I don't expect you to consider the Bible as evidence yet. The Bible can be tested by science and by history. But, as many atheists have discovered, it has far better evidence than many things that are taught in history and science books. I'm working on a significant booklet to explain some of these things to non-professionals. Will send it soon.
@dotoree The bible is evidence of history and science... lol. Which bible do you use anyway? Please send it to me. I can't wait to share it with my friends. I can list numerous scientific and historical errors in the bible.... howold do you think the earth is?? Are you a young earth creationist? You're getting me soooo excited.
"...as I became exposed to the law and order of the universe, I was literally humbled by its unerring perfection. I became convinced that there must be a divine intent behind it all... My experiences with science led me to God. “They challenge science to prove the existence of God. But must we really light a candle to see the sun?" Dr. Wernher von Braun, father of rocket and space science, 1st director of NASA, Christian and creationist
@kailabreece Which intellectual revolution are you talking about? It's absolute fiction that no responsible scientist contended for creation after the 1800s. Many of our greatest scientists did exactly that.
“Posterity will one day laugh at the foolishness of modern materialistic philosophers. The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator. I pray while I am engaged at my work in the laboratory.” Pasteur
Pretty much all of the supposed scientific-historical errors are propaganda & were debunked LOOONG ago as straw men, misrepresentations and logical fallacies propagated by dishonest critics. I know the answers to almost any supposed error you could refer to already since I've been talking with atheists and evolutionists for ~20 years. There is soo much distortion of indisputable history and science by atheists and evolutionists, it's almost like trying to talk about democracy in North Korea.
@kailabreece Which Bible? The one that is closest to what the original authors wrote. I do work with secular translations quite a bit and translations are always imprecise and differ from the originals. For example, The Korean word for "doll" also includes all stuffed animals while in English it only refers to human shaped toys. THe Hebrew "owm" is translated birds in the Bible, but refers to "flying things" which could include bats, flying dinosaurs, etc.
@dotoree I can't believe your 40 and think creationism is real... the birth of geology, marked by the publication of James Hutton's Theory of the Earth in 1788, set in train the intellectual revolution that would dethrone Genesis as the ultimate authority on primeval earth and prehistory. The first casualty was the Creation story itself, and by the early 1800s "no responsible scientist contended for the literal credibility of the Mosaic account of creation.
@kailabreece In health science, the Bible's statements and Christian scientists work based on those statements have saved literally billions of lives. Even THESE days, secular organizations like NIH, Blue Zones, National Geographic say that Christians who follow Bible health principles (many don't unfortunately), live 10+ years longer than the average. My gramps is 102 and still going strong.
@kailabreece Which statements? The bible is not a science book nor a health book. It's called historical fiction and folk lore.
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Sorry, but this is fiction that some people believe directly due to the Bible being removed from classrooms. You are not guilty for believing this fiction. The dishonest establishment had acted criminally and used apriori bias instead of following the evidence as they should. This results in ignorance by masses of people about established facts.
@dotoree What is a christian health principle? Provide with the links from National Geographic that state those who live according to the bible's medical commandements live longer....
--Never eat animal fat/blood. These are the #1 causes of heart attacks/strokes&also cause NUMEROUS diseases.
--Avoid drinking alcohol,smoking&drugs.
--Take 1 day a week off to worship,improve social relationships,rest&revive(the Sabbath). This reduces the harmful inflammatory response. Joining a faith based community 4+ times a month adds 4-14 years to life(see Buettner’s talk).
--Sleep early(the hours before midnight are double value).
--Get frequent exercise,if possible doing useful work.
Some health principles Adventists follow based on the Bible are:
--The vegetarian diet is ideal.
--If you can’t be vegetarian,eat only clean animals(they chew the cud AND have divided hooves),clean sea animals(they have fins & scales)&some types of birds(like chicken). Research published by Johns Hopkins shows a 1:1 correlation between “unclean animals” in the Bible & toxicity. One example is pork. Reader’s Digest reported that eating pork causes over 40 different diseases, some terminal.
10+ YEARS EXTRA HIGH QUALITY LIFE: The Bible’s health principles, many that were unknown&often conflicted with conventional wisdom for millennia, cause MODERN people to live 10+ years longer than average. Blue Zones, National Geographic, NIH &others have documented this MANY TIMES. Google: Buettner “How to live to 100+” (minute 11:30+) to see the director of Blue Zones documenting this. Note that Adventists are one of the few Christian groups that actually follow the Bible’s health principles.
@kailabreece Working on an update that presents a bit of the mountains of evidence for the Bible from science and history. But, the Bible has so many principles that increase happiness and health. For happiness, following the Bible reduces divorce by about 35% (some studies say much more), increases happiness ~20%, increases sexual satisfaction (doubles it for women), fathers who are religious are about 65% more likely to praise&be affectionate with their kids & much more. Health stats next:
@dotoree “Physical training is good, but training for godliness is much better, promising benefits in this life and in the life to come.” 1 Tim. 4:8 This is very true.
But, there are Christians, like people people in every worldview, who have done wrong. This happens more when the church ignores the Bible. The Catholic church for example, sets it's traditions above God & some say God's laws aren't important. This is like someone ignoring the scientific method&claiming to be a scientist.
Darwinism isn’t any more scientific than spontaneous generation, geocentrism or bleeding patients (all widely advocated by the majority of scientists for millennia). Pasteur wrote, “Posterity will one day laugh at the foolishness of modern materialistic philosophers. The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator. I pray while I am engaged at my work in the laboratory.” The Literary Digest (18 October 1902)
So far,all testable evidence falls completely within creation science limits. Darwin’s concept has no testable evidence,not even at bacterial levels. This is why even Karl Popper,the pioneer of falsifiability, stated that Darwinism is only a “metaphysical research programme”. MANY scientists,even non-religious ones, agree that: "There has never been a theory of evolution." Cytogeneticist Antonio Lima-de-Faria. Many ideas have dominated scientific thinking for centuries and then been found false.
4) CREATIONIST SPECIATION: Genesis 1 states that life reproduces within kinds (~our family level). Creation science for centuries has included speciation from the species to the ~the family level. Edward Blyth, Alfred Wallace and others long before Darwin even published this idea in scientific journals. The major difference Darwinism has from this prior creation science is that it says speciation can cause changes WAY past family, order, class, phyla and astoundlingly even kingdom boundaries.
3) BIOGENESIS: For millennia, scientists said spontaneous generation was scientific. The Bible said that life comes only from other similar life. Numerous careful experiments by Redi (1688), Spallanzani (1780), Pasteur (1860)&Virchose (1858) proved that when matter was presterilised & sealed off from biological contamination, no life arose. The Bible’s concept is now called the law of biogenesis &we have billions of confirmations of it. Atheism has yet to provide even 1 case of abiogenesis.
@kailabreece evolution from prokaryote to eukaryote, evolution of multi-cellular life, Creationist natural selection (evolution into different species and genus), origin of previously unknown organs/structures, Darwinian evolution (evolution into other families, orders, classes, kingdoms) & social evolution). About the ONLY solid testable evidence we have is for creationist natural selection, molecular evolution & maybe social evolution. See: watch?v=1iwzzR0lUKw for some details on this.
@kailabreece 2) ORIGINS: These are MANY things that atheists must prove can originate & develop without intelligence if they want to be considered rational or scientific. Here are a few: origin of matter, origin of nucleons, nucleogenesis, origin of elements and molecules, origin of stars/suns/planets, origin of 100s of scientific laws (gravity, atomic force, E=MC^2, photosynthesis, etc.) abiogenesis,
@kailabreece 1) BEGINNING: The Bible states that there was a beginning to the universe. For 2000 years, secular scientists opposed this idea&believed in steady state. The Big Bang theory that was pioneered by Georges Lemaitre, a priest, & confirmed by Hubble proved the Biblical statement true&is one of the best evidences for God. This convinced Einstein that a divine power exists.
@kailabreece re: Creationism in schools being like the Taliban. Oh please. That's like saying that vegetarianism is bad because Hitler was vegetarian.
Here are a FEW TINY evidences for Bible science (which has many testable aspects in nature) and how it has contributed to crucial scientific advances & saved billions of lives. See below for just a tiny bit in 2 areas about that. The modern scientific method itself&most fields of science were developed by believers.
@dotoree Sir, I can no longer continue this conversation. It is a waste of my time to explain science, history and religioin to you. It is obvious you live a sheltered and compartmentalized life. Good day.
1) You said there is ZERO evidence for the Bible. Do you still believe that fiction? Even the tiny evidence I put below ONLY from science shows that position to be very false. Go to the Buettner video at least and watch it. It could give you 10+ years extra life.
2) The end of atheism is the death of everyone. In addition, atheism has repressed free thought more than any other system in history. Why be biased in favor of death & repression? At least use consistent standards to judge.
@kailabreece I can document pretty much everything I've said with evidence from primary sources (I hope you understand what that is)...but I'm going through a legal case now against former business partners who broke a contract that caused me to lose $150,000 and severely damaged my marriage and family. I have 1000s of pages of indisputable facts. But, haven't had time to organize them as much as I wish...but I'm about done with a small booklet.
@dotoree Just those who claim genesis and a fairytale written be barbarians is a science text book. As for your legal issues, I am sorry to hear that... that isn't cool for anyone. But let's just end this talk on evolution. You, despite what you think, do not have a grasp of the scientific method or the history of science... let alone holy texts.
@kailabreece With due respect,you are using almost exclusively apriori logical fallacies instead of being objective&following the evidence where it leads. Almost no advances in science have happened this way.
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You do not have a grasp of the scientific method or the history of science.
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Sorry, but this is just 100% false. Apriori reasoning that you are using is a violation of the scientific method. Again,I'm teaching that method THIS WEEK. Do I need to list it?? U be well 2.
@dotoree First, let my apologize if I have come off as harsh, these discussions are emotional... especially when both of us claim knowledge... anyway...
@dotoree The scientific method: the collection of data through observation and experimentation, peer review, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.
This is not creation science. No experiementation or peer review. Just an empty hypothesis based on phenomena with zero explanations. Let me ask you this Mr. Science... HOW is it designed. If creation science and ID do not answer that, than the hypothesis is worthless. Evolution EXPLAINS the HOW.
@dotoree What "A priori logical fallacies"? Do you even know what that means? The evidence leads to "modern evolutionary synthesis" theory, and that's been peer reviewed and tested and has made accurate predications and led to the development and advancement of genome dynamics and phylogentics.
@kailabreece By the way, another straw man there. No Christians I know claim that the Bible is a science textbook, but when it does say scientific things, they have been extremely valuable, extended lives by many years (my gramps is 102+ and still giong strong because of them, but studies on 70,000 people over 30 years are the evidence that proves the point, not just 1 grandpas experience) and saved billions of lives. Watch the Buettner video. The Bible has often been millenia ahead of science.
@kailabreece Compartmentalized/sheltered? LOL. Um, I've lived on 3 continents (20 years outside the USA), have friends from all across the spectrum from conservative Christians to homosexuals and one of my best friends was an atheist for years (now Christian). I've read most of the best atheists and their supposed view of science and history which frequently distorts what PRIMARY SOURCES say. Your concept of me like your concept of the Bible has little to do with reality.
@dotoree I'm sure... you sound very intelligent. Please leave me alone. I am not a religious fundamentalist and you haven't a clue about science or the bible. I can't argue with stupid.
@kailabreece Um, I edit academic papers for publication in major journals&present at intl. conferences. I have read&watched 1000s of hours on science,atheism, evolution and religion. I majored in religion. Doctors I teach won the #1 prize in the world a couple years ago at an international ENT conference. I am not a religious fundamentalist at all. I've been kicked off some conservative Christian forums for being "too liberal". Do you always make apriori allegations about strangers?
@kailabreece My background? It doesn't really matter. The Wright brothers didn't have any expertise in planes but made gigantic contributions. The brilliant cancer treating Kanzius device was invented by someone with no medical training. But, if you want to know, I scored in the top 2% in the nation on my SATs, I have been a professor at both secular and religious schools and a part time job is editing medical papers for doctors and professors to be submitted to major journals.
@dotoree Thanks. Still, ones background DOES matter. The Wright Brothers had no expertise in planes because planes (advanced aviation) did not yet exist. nonetheless, there background was in manufacturing and overall engineering. They weren't the average person. Scoring on an SAT however would be irrelevant. Considering u r NOT an evolutionary biologist or a Scientist within any field, I will submit that my validations must be from more credible resources than a religious guy on youtube.
@kailabreece Background and a degree can for SURE be helpful. But, it is just nonsense to say that ONLY people who have a degree can make contributions or be intelligent in an area. Some without degrees have studied more than those with degrees. It's how much and WHAT you have studied that matterd. The Wright Brothers background was in selling bicycles and mechanics, not engineering. And people were getting degrees in engineering LONG before the Wright brothers in America.
If there is no here after then nothing matters; but if there is a here after then nothing else matters. I would rather go through life believing there IS a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't a God and find out there is.
I used to have interest in "alternative" approaches to evolution. Michale Cremo's "De-evolution" ideas, Rupert Sheldrake's "Biomorphic Resonance" hypotheses... but "Intelliegtn Design" or "Creationism" always seemed stupid/nonsensical - never presented anything for a palpable basis.
To say that it's just "Intelligent Design" & "Evolution" on the stage... that's just provincial, uneducated ignorance. It's dishonest to play the "equal time" duality.
Just because you have belief in something doesn't mean you have a right to say it is true in schools or in government or anywhere.
All these people who try to force their opinions into society always say that they "believe". It should stop there. That's all it should remain: a belief.
What a fucking narcissist, he thinks that God, if he is real, just happens to care so much about the US above all the other Christian-dominated nations.
people are tought blindly from a young age the theory of creationism they are pressured into there supperiors oppinions but schools show you how to use reason and science to learn about your enviroment bringing creationism into schools would ruin that and turn inpretionable youth into mindless religios zombies
howcome just religious people support creationism? I mean if the creationist theory is so "correct" howcome no one who is not a theist believes in it?
I mean there are debates in science all the time, but why does this one in particular is just for religious people?
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Idiots.
We up NORTH also believe in every word of the Bible, EAST and WEST too! This video is so heavily Anti-Christian and completely biased even in its dodgy reporting it becomes a classic example how the liberal-run media will NEVER ADMIT what the MAJORITY OFAMERICA BELIEVES!!
Science investigates the natural world aka reality. That is what should be taught in schools, pure reality. If you want superstition and magical baloney, go to a church.
It would take all the teachers time to talk about the creation from Greek, Norse, christian, muslim, hindu (and the list goes on) mythologies. I dare hope this teacher didnt assume christian creation was the only creation to be taught.
So basically he's complaining that we don't include magic in the science curriculum and that those damned educated and thinking elite don't agree with him (which should tell him something)
'If we push him out, he's going to remove his hand of protection from us'...it's that kind of ridiculous reasoning that believes earthquakes happen because of gay marriage! Please atheists of America, unite and have a civil war.
If you don't "believe" evolution, then you don't really understand it.
Creationism isn't a scientific THEORY. It is a religious or philosophical IDEA. It can be in our schools, but in a philosophy or religion class.
He says: "To rule out anything outside of nature is not intellectually honest." So we need to bring supernaturalism into out science classrooms? really intellectually honest, man.
"The more educated a person is, the less likely they are to believe in creationism." Thank you.
This couldn't be a more typical case of a poor, ignorant fool who's misguided.
Did they say that the 'elite' where he lived were largely non-believers and didn't want to talk about the subject? Sounds more like they are educated and have already given him an answer... either way, I'm surprised to hear this about a ruling body in... Alabama, was it?
Good job, America, gotta stop this BS in its tracks.
I'm dismayed that so many creationists show blatant contempt for the US Constitution by trying again and again to force their religious views into public school classrooms.
"God was responsible for this country existing." God wanted white Europeans to slaughter a continent full of natives, bringing black slaves over by the millions while dying and being tortured, murdering Mexicans to take the southwest, and push out entire ecosystems to produce farmland and mini-malls? This dude is so historically ignorant it's appalling. Statements like that are just a continuation of ignorant manifest destiny bullshit sourced from Genesis, to conquer the land and animals.
Honestly, if you buy that the bible was handed down by divine revelation, all of that stuff fits in nicely with old testament traditions. The Europeans slaughtering the Native Americans actually sounds strikingly similar to the Israelites slaughtering their way through Canaan, in Joshua.
Similar chapters also describe how to take slaves, "You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance." (Leviticus 25:44-46)
It never was. Maybe the majority of people are Christians, but it's a secular nation with a Constitution that gaurantees that separation... not a theocracy and we do not have an official religion. In the USA there is freedom to believe and freedom to NOT to believe any deities/supernatural bullshit.
Dave, you fail. If you Americans should have learned one thing from your own history, its that you can achieve great things when you stop praying, roll up your sleeves and do something about it.
At 1:10 - "Studies show the more educated a person is the less likely they are to believe in creationism" - You will never hear that on American main stream media because they want the public to be comfortable with their ignorance.
I think you may be right... I've never heard anything remotely like that on US t.v., and I've watched way too much television in my life so far! The "elite" this creationist attacks are basically the smart people of society. Elite is not a bad thing!
Definition: "the choice or best of anything considered collectively"
I want the best thinkers to be in charge, or at least helping to control the helm.
well if you don't want to rule anything out and you don't know anything is the truth..then why can't we also teach kids that we are the decendents of aliens or that we all came from a mass of energy that exploded into tiny pieces? I mean, they all seem as reasonable as the claims of creationism.
The founders of the united states were not Christians, U.S.A isn't a Christian country...it was heading in the wrong direction when people started praying !!!
Ich weis nicht was Unterschied zwischen Christian und islamic, wie alle Menschen, muss Ohne Große Katastrofe für die Menschheit Leben und Zusammen arbeiten. Ich Liebe Christian, und Ich Liebe Islamic.
Gerechtigkeit liegt in Wirtschaftliche Vernüftigkeit. Wir sind alle Bruder und Schwester.
Or 9/11, or when black slaves were being tortured and murderer, or Natives were being forcibly removed from their homes, or when natural disasters destroyed millions of lives, or... et cetera. Good point BD&LJ
huh? It is against the law to teach Creationism in US public schools. That is the reason they started the Intelligent Design movement. Why can't we have at least a few reporters that aren't complete fucktards?
@tekfunk Sorry,but the establishment of a secular government by our almost completely Christian founders (google: Religion of the Founding Fathers of America) doesn't at all mean that Christianity didn't influence the founding principles of America. They most certainly did and quite extensively as well as many other western countries. Thomas Jefferson for example wrote, "The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty…[It] will make us better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands."
"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
if they want to teach Christian creation..then it shouldn't be exclusive to christianity..we should teach hindu creation, islamic creation, we shouldn't just teach the story of one god but all the others..people want to teach their ridiculous fairy-tales then why not teach every single one?
Hang on - all the church members all tipped the hand of this so-called alternative science by referencing a specific religion. There are Muslim creationists, and it is perfectly reasonable to construct a theory of "Intelligent" Design that could be attributed to any one of a number of deities.
Let's waste time teaching ALL the controversy! As an Australian, I will be offended if our Indigenous beliefs are not taught - and the Rainbow Serpent may withdraw his holy protection from your nation!
Seriously, why do these idiots get any time on television. Its a sad state of affairs that as a country, we are mocked for our lack of real science education in the current system we have, and they are now trying to make it even more dumbed down with the whole "god did it" version of "science" in their eyes.
I always find it so funny that in the US being an elite is something bad. In the majority of the world it's a positive thing.
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Why not teach the creation story of the olympian pantheon too then? With Zeus and all that. And the norwegian religion with Odin and the world tree and the frost giants? Or the egyptian one? Etcetera etcetera etcetera... Why only the christian creation "theory"?
fablan6 5 months ago
"...the more educated a person is, the less likely they'll believe in creationism, and that's why he wants it taught in the classroom."
Do... Do I even have to say anything?
AcesGlory 7 months ago 4
America was never a "christian nation". Stop using this argument and even IF it was, that absolutely NO effect on the validity of The Theory of Evolution by means of Natural Selection.
AtheistYeti 7 months ago
There is a creator of humans and he has big black eyes and gray skin and he's not all that intelligent
TheDano1947 9 months ago
His beliefs are as heard to listen to as his face is hard to look at.
roxyosox122 9 months ago
Hand of Protection? God is a paladin!
DuTriDu 10 months ago 2
We have a teacher that doesn't know the Constitution. O.o How nice.
Neosaigo 10 months ago 2
I'll agree to let the religionists have Creationism taught in public schools the day that Evolution is required to be taught every Sunday in churches, synagogues, and mosques. If the Creationists want to stand behind their plea to "Teach the Controversy" then let's make it fair. I'm sure that there are many teachers who would be more than willing to spend time on Sundays teaching evolution in places of worship. Heck, I would even give it a shot.
comingatchu 11 months ago
Publicly funded catholic schools in Canada teach evolution. Pope John Paul II affirmed his belief in evolution. It's really the only theory that make any sense.
I can't believe it's still a debate/
LukeRomaBradley 1 year ago 2
Still in the dark ages down there.. And that's SO weird! How retarded do you really have to be to "believe that every single word in The Bible is true"? And how can as many as 50 percent of them be that retarded?: (
winterstellar 1 year ago 2
"For academic integrity and honesty..." that doesn't exist in the classroom of creationists! Creation was given a 2000 years head start, and all it did was say "God did it"... is THAT what you want to spend your class time talking about? Really, WHAT else are you going to say? The theory of evolution has been around for some 150 and gathered LOADS more evidence for itself than creationism did in 2000! Ppl believed in creation, but then a better explanation came along, MOVE ON!
Spetsop 1 year ago 3
LOOOL "And if we push him [God] out, I think he is going to remove his hand of protection from us"... Sigh, an educated person who allows himself to be so brainwashed by religion!!! Someone should let him know that there are a dozens of countries that have higher % of population who are Christians than the USA, like up to 99%... and MOST of them live in poverty and crime! "Hand of protection"... don't make me laugh! 'God' doesn't seem to give a shit about how many people worship him!
Spetsop 1 year ago
"Post-Christian nation"...YAY!!!
yourjunk420 1 year ago 2
If you taught every creation myth, there would be no time for anything else.
timmieturner 1 year ago
I love how he says he can't prove creationism BUT he wants it in the schools anyway.
Guess what...scientists proved evolution by putting together real evidence and fossil records to show the process. They also mapped out the entire DNA of man to show that we can and do evolve.
People are more likely to beleive in evolution with a higher education because educated people have a dedication to the truth. They don't just want to be right they want to learn how the world really works.
Damdenn 1 year ago 12
Creationism in schools... that's what the fundamentalists like the Taliban do. He talks about intellectual honesty and that we should include elements outside of nature.... well, considering we have no evidence of ANYTHING outside of nature, it is best kept in one's personal faith or in a religious course. He notes evolutionists are non-beleivers... well, most scientists and evolutionists are religious, they just aren't idiots. As for ID and Creation, 100% are religious, that speaks volumes.
kailabreece 1 year ago
for anyone interested in knowing the real darwin i suggest you find an interesting book called the darwin manifesto chronicled y one of his aids before he died. Its not a book you will find easily in the social darwinist censored media but it is the bare facts on darwins beliefs before death and was a major contribution to me leaving atheism.
MuslimApostate 1 year ago
The idiot just well stated the reason himself, althought I doubt he noticed it:
"We're ruling out everything outside of nature..."
So, when did we stop talking about science and start talking about metaphysics and philosophy ?
Oh I know, maybe the fact is he just couldnt notice the difference between them if it hit him over the head.
Azotadeth 1 year ago
These people are idiots... let's also teach astrology, dianetics, and feng shui in science classes. This guys hair cut alone makes me doubt ALL of his credentials...
He's right about one thing... the elite ARE non-believers... that's why they are the elite... they think.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece yep and thats also why all you western atheists brainwashed by the social darwinist elite (and big believers in eugenics and transhumanism) are destined to be slaves to them in the future.
MuslimApostate 1 year ago
@MuslimApostate Your comment is laughable. Your understanding of evolution and Charles Darwin is infantile and biased (religious fundamentalism) and your morality is certainly in question if you make comments about the future state of human slavery. You should be embarrassed... this is the 21st century...
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece Laughable to all or just u smart one? And as for my understanding of charles darwin i probably know alot more about him then you do seeing as i did a full autobiography of the guy for my last college SAT test. Oh yeah and seeing as i have major in cellular bio and currently taking a physics course online for the international art intstitute find it laughabl for someone who probably is an atheist to be an individual and not because he has some knowledge in science.
MuslimApostate 1 year ago
@MuslimApostate Very laughable indeed. You said you wrote an "autobiography?" Auto means "self"... and since you are NOT Mr. Darwin, it was a biography you wrote, not an auto-biogrpahy.
kailabreece 1 year ago
Simply:
Creationist scientists LONG before Darwin published the concept of natural selection and all speciation from the species to family level are evidence for creation. Darwin's only unique idea that differs from prior creation is his speculation that speciation can continue WAY past the family level all the way up to astoundingly the kingdome level...but none of this has any testable evidence supporting it. ALL testable evidence of speciation falls entirely within creation sciecne.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Simply: You're wrong. There is no such thing as a creationist scientist, because creationism is not science, and "creation science" did not exist until the 1920's, so it does not predate evolutionary theory or Darwin's ideas. creation science was born as an alternative 2 evolution by evangelical christians in the US. They were afraid of losing god and thusly tried 2 legitimize the bible through evidence. sadly, thats not how science works, evidence then theory, not the other way around.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece I'm sorry, but you are obviously completely uninformed on the issue. There have been creation scientists for many centuries and the first recorded scientific experiment with a control group was done by Daniel around 5-600 BC. Kepler, Pasteur, Mendel, Faraday and hordes of other scientists were all creation scientists. Edward Blyth was a creationist who published the natural selection concept in 1835-37 in British scientific magazines LONG before Darwin and I have references.
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece You believe propaganda about creation science that has not the least semblance of similarity to reality. Bible science TODAY causes people who follow it to live 10+ years longer than the average and this has been confirmed by the NIH, National Geographic, Blue Zones Research&other secular sources. Creation science is far far more scientific than the evolution myth if any fair tests are done. You are simply uninformed on the issues and can't make a rational judgement at present.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree I'm not going to argue with you. There are too many holes in everything you've written. You say I'm misinformed... there is no evidence.... 99% of the scientific global community would disagree with you. Be well.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece Evolution is not a theory. It's little more than a hypothesis based almost exclusively on extrapolations and speculations. It also depends on the evolutionist establishment lying to people about indisputable scientific history. I HIGHLY recommend you google "genesis conflict" Dr. Veith for very solid evidence of creation science from a former atheist with a Ph.D. in zoology. Reams of evidence can be found there. Esp. see "Genes of Genesis", "A Universal Flood", etc.
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece sue me english is not my first language.
MuslimApostate 1 year ago
@MuslimApostate I won't sue... promise :)
kailabreece 1 year ago
@MuslimApostate Secondly, being an atheist says nothing of my academic background... all my degrees (I have multiple post-graduate) do not pertain to science, however my mother is a micro-biologist and have read more than enough to understand the theory. The mere mention that your major is biology and you don't understand evolutionary biology is testament to either your schools lack of teaching or your inability to comprehend the material. Genetics has made the theory even stronger.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece the nly thing thats testiment is that one of the biggest rules of understanding biology is that everything that is made on this planet and beyond has a source to it and the very idea that the universe just came from nothingness to me is even more insane then the belief of an invisible man in the sky. Sorry but thats my opinion. Take it or leave it.
MuslimApostate 1 year ago
@MuslimApostate Nowhere in science, especially biology, does it claim something came from nothing. That was the "interpretation" of an idiot...
Define nothing. Even "dark matter" is something... we have never come across true "nothingness." Evolutionary biology advocates that complexity began simply... creation proposes the notion that the most complex thing feasible was first... and it claims this through "every design has a designer"... That is nonsense.
kailabreece 1 year ago 2
@MuslimApostate Also, taking a pysics course at an Art Institute? You might not want 2 mention that next time, or just get your MD from a Film School. My position on god and science have no correlation, god is just silly and science is real, evolutionary biology is one of the strongest theories every constructed, it's up there with relativity and the laws of motion... unfortunately it has been very unpopular in uneducated/religious circles, don't let yourself fall victim to the nonsense.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece so what difference does it make what type of school it is compared to one that specializes in biology classes. The only major difference is the students who go to the latter have more foresight on what they're learning.
MuslimApostate 1 year ago
@MuslimApostate I don't follow....
kailabreece 1 year ago
And in case your wondering i'm a deist smart guy. I suggest you look that up.
MuslimApostate 1 year ago
@MuslimApostate Please don't call me smart guy. I don't call you dumb kid. I too am somewhat of a deist, my argument was not with your position on supernatural beliefs, I could care less about that nonsense. I was making fun of your lack of understanding in the field of evolutionary biology. I recommend you change your major, or at the very least come up with some evidence DISPROVING evolution, otherwise u will look silly. And don't call it darwinism, do you call the theory of gravity Newtonism?
kailabreece 1 year ago
@MuslimApostate Deism for sure has more evidence than atheism does...but Christianity has a lot more than either of them. Most people have emotional reasaons for resisting Christianity based on misunderstanding it, just like people misunderstand creation science and just like American misunderstand socialism in Europe for example.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Wow. Christianity has more evidence than atheism??? I don't where to begin. For one, atheism has no evidence... it requires none... it is an absence of faith regarding the supernatural. Christianity has zero evidence. Citing the bible as evidence does not count... and the means by which "evidence" works is the burden lies on the one making the claim... christianity. What are your educational backgrounds, aside from attending church 8 days per week?
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece A) Majority has never guaranteed something is true, ESPECIALLY when only one side of the evidence is presented. 99% or more of political scientists in Russia agreed with communism too once all schools taught only that.
B) Sorry, but a view without evidence is 100% faith. So, you're saying that atheism is 100% faith.
C) The idea that Christianity has no evidence is one of the most stupendous falsehoods in all history. No informed person would ever say such nonsense.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Political science & the scientific method r not the same. You r correct in that the majority means nothing, but in science evidence is truth.... & the evidence points to evolution. Creation has no evidence because how could one even prove such a hypothesis. there is no way to test it??? Have you ever taken a science class?
b) Faith is belief with doubt. Atheism is an absence of belief... no faith is required to not believe in smurfs.
c) Provide me with evidence of the christian god?
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece I've taken many science classes and got all As in them. I also teach science some. I'm doing some units on it right now with some students. The scientific method is used in almost any professional field ranging from chemistry to linguistics to theology. Remember, one of my part time jobs has been editing professional papers.
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I know most people think the evidence points to evolution. That simply is not true and creation science has FAR more evidence than evolution.
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece The Bible IS evidence and even many secular scholars agree that it is. It has led to many important discoveries in science and history. Even Discovery Channel and the History Channel have pointed this out. For example skeptics scoffed at the Bible's account of a Hittite empire saying there was no evidence of this. No Discovery channel has videos on the Hittite empire and it's war wtih Egypt. This is just 1 tiny example of 1000s of pieces of evidence.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree While the Bible is most certainly evidence and has stated crucial truths of science and history 1000s of years before scholars figured it out, I don't expect you to consider the Bible as evidence yet. The Bible can be tested by science and by history. But, as many atheists have discovered, it has far better evidence than many things that are taught in history and science books. I'm working on a significant booklet to explain some of these things to non-professionals. Will send it soon.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree The bible is evidence of history and science... lol. Which bible do you use anyway? Please send it to me. I can't wait to share it with my friends. I can list numerous scientific and historical errors in the bible.... howold do you think the earth is?? Are you a young earth creationist? You're getting me soooo excited.
kailabreece 1 year ago
"...as I became exposed to the law and order of the universe, I was literally humbled by its unerring perfection. I became convinced that there must be a divine intent behind it all... My experiences with science led me to God. “They challenge science to prove the existence of God. But must we really light a candle to see the sun?" Dr. Wernher von Braun, father of rocket and space science, 1st director of NASA, Christian and creationist
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece Which intellectual revolution are you talking about? It's absolute fiction that no responsible scientist contended for creation after the 1800s. Many of our greatest scientists did exactly that.
“Posterity will one day laugh at the foolishness of modern materialistic philosophers. The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator. I pray while I am engaged at my work in the laboratory.” Pasteur
dotoree 1 year ago
Pretty much all of the supposed scientific-historical errors are propaganda & were debunked LOOONG ago as straw men, misrepresentations and logical fallacies propagated by dishonest critics. I know the answers to almost any supposed error you could refer to already since I've been talking with atheists and evolutionists for ~20 years. There is soo much distortion of indisputable history and science by atheists and evolutionists, it's almost like trying to talk about democracy in North Korea.
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece Which Bible? The one that is closest to what the original authors wrote. I do work with secular translations quite a bit and translations are always imprecise and differ from the originals. For example, The Korean word for "doll" also includes all stuffed animals while in English it only refers to human shaped toys. THe Hebrew "owm" is translated birds in the Bible, but refers to "flying things" which could include bats, flying dinosaurs, etc.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree I can't believe your 40 and think creationism is real... the birth of geology, marked by the publication of James Hutton's Theory of the Earth in 1788, set in train the intellectual revolution that would dethrone Genesis as the ultimate authority on primeval earth and prehistory. The first casualty was the Creation story itself, and by the early 1800s "no responsible scientist contended for the literal credibility of the Mosaic account of creation.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece In health science, the Bible's statements and Christian scientists work based on those statements have saved literally billions of lives. Even THESE days, secular organizations like NIH, Blue Zones, National Geographic say that Christians who follow Bible health principles (many don't unfortunately), live 10+ years longer than the average. My gramps is 102 and still going strong.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Which statements? The bible is not a science book nor a health book. It's called historical fiction and folk lore.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece Which statements? The bible is not a science book nor a health book. It's called historical fiction and folk lore.
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Sorry, but this is fiction that some people believe directly due to the Bible being removed from classrooms. You are not guilty for believing this fiction. The dishonest establishment had acted criminally and used apriori bias instead of following the evidence as they should. This results in ignorance by masses of people about established facts.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree What is a christian health principle? Provide with the links from National Geographic that state those who live according to the bible's medical commandements live longer....
kailabreece 1 year ago
--Never eat animal fat/blood. These are the #1 causes of heart attacks/strokes&also cause NUMEROUS diseases.
--Avoid drinking alcohol,smoking&drugs.
--Take 1 day a week off to worship,improve social relationships,rest&revive(the Sabbath). This reduces the harmful inflammatory response. Joining a faith based community 4+ times a month adds 4-14 years to life(see Buettner’s talk).
--Sleep early(the hours before midnight are double value).
--Get frequent exercise,if possible doing useful work.
dotoree 1 year ago
Some health principles Adventists follow based on the Bible are:
--The vegetarian diet is ideal.
--If you can’t be vegetarian,eat only clean animals(they chew the cud AND have divided hooves),clean sea animals(they have fins & scales)&some types of birds(like chicken). Research published by Johns Hopkins shows a 1:1 correlation between “unclean animals” in the Bible & toxicity. One example is pork. Reader’s Digest reported that eating pork causes over 40 different diseases, some terminal.
dotoree 1 year ago
10+ YEARS EXTRA HIGH QUALITY LIFE: The Bible’s health principles, many that were unknown&often conflicted with conventional wisdom for millennia, cause MODERN people to live 10+ years longer than average. Blue Zones, National Geographic, NIH &others have documented this MANY TIMES. Google: Buettner “How to live to 100+” (minute 11:30+) to see the director of Blue Zones documenting this. Note that Adventists are one of the few Christian groups that actually follow the Bible’s health principles.
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece Working on an update that presents a bit of the mountains of evidence for the Bible from science and history. But, the Bible has so many principles that increase happiness and health. For happiness, following the Bible reduces divorce by about 35% (some studies say much more), increases happiness ~20%, increases sexual satisfaction (doubles it for women), fathers who are religious are about 65% more likely to praise&be affectionate with their kids & much more. Health stats next:
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree “Physical training is good, but training for godliness is much better, promising benefits in this life and in the life to come.” 1 Tim. 4:8 This is very true.
But, there are Christians, like people people in every worldview, who have done wrong. This happens more when the church ignores the Bible. The Catholic church for example, sets it's traditions above God & some say God's laws aren't important. This is like someone ignoring the scientific method&claiming to be a scientist.
dotoree 1 year ago
Darwinism isn’t any more scientific than spontaneous generation, geocentrism or bleeding patients (all widely advocated by the majority of scientists for millennia). Pasteur wrote, “Posterity will one day laugh at the foolishness of modern materialistic philosophers. The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator. I pray while I am engaged at my work in the laboratory.” The Literary Digest (18 October 1902)
dotoree 1 year ago
So far,all testable evidence falls completely within creation science limits. Darwin’s concept has no testable evidence,not even at bacterial levels. This is why even Karl Popper,the pioneer of falsifiability, stated that Darwinism is only a “metaphysical research programme”. MANY scientists,even non-religious ones, agree that: "There has never been a theory of evolution." Cytogeneticist Antonio Lima-de-Faria. Many ideas have dominated scientific thinking for centuries and then been found false.
dotoree 1 year ago
4) CREATIONIST SPECIATION: Genesis 1 states that life reproduces within kinds (~our family level). Creation science for centuries has included speciation from the species to the ~the family level. Edward Blyth, Alfred Wallace and others long before Darwin even published this idea in scientific journals. The major difference Darwinism has from this prior creation science is that it says speciation can cause changes WAY past family, order, class, phyla and astoundlingly even kingdom boundaries.
dotoree 1 year ago
3) BIOGENESIS: For millennia, scientists said spontaneous generation was scientific. The Bible said that life comes only from other similar life. Numerous careful experiments by Redi (1688), Spallanzani (1780), Pasteur (1860)&Virchose (1858) proved that when matter was presterilised & sealed off from biological contamination, no life arose. The Bible’s concept is now called the law of biogenesis &we have billions of confirmations of it. Atheism has yet to provide even 1 case of abiogenesis.
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece evolution from prokaryote to eukaryote, evolution of multi-cellular life, Creationist natural selection (evolution into different species and genus), origin of previously unknown organs/structures, Darwinian evolution (evolution into other families, orders, classes, kingdoms) & social evolution). About the ONLY solid testable evidence we have is for creationist natural selection, molecular evolution & maybe social evolution. See: watch?v=1iwzzR0lUKw for some details on this.
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece 2) ORIGINS: These are MANY things that atheists must prove can originate & develop without intelligence if they want to be considered rational or scientific. Here are a few: origin of matter, origin of nucleons, nucleogenesis, origin of elements and molecules, origin of stars/suns/planets, origin of 100s of scientific laws (gravity, atomic force, E=MC^2, photosynthesis, etc.) abiogenesis,
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece 1) BEGINNING: The Bible states that there was a beginning to the universe. For 2000 years, secular scientists opposed this idea&believed in steady state. The Big Bang theory that was pioneered by Georges Lemaitre, a priest, & confirmed by Hubble proved the Biblical statement true&is one of the best evidences for God. This convinced Einstein that a divine power exists.
dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece re: Creationism in schools being like the Taliban. Oh please. That's like saying that vegetarianism is bad because Hitler was vegetarian.
Here are a FEW TINY evidences for Bible science (which has many testable aspects in nature) and how it has contributed to crucial scientific advances & saved billions of lives. See below for just a tiny bit in 2 areas about that. The modern scientific method itself&most fields of science were developed by believers.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Sir, I can no longer continue this conversation. It is a waste of my time to explain science, history and religioin to you. It is obvious you live a sheltered and compartmentalized life. Good day.
kailabreece 1 year ago
2 ?s:
1) You said there is ZERO evidence for the Bible. Do you still believe that fiction? Even the tiny evidence I put below ONLY from science shows that position to be very false. Go to the Buettner video at least and watch it. It could give you 10+ years extra life.
2) The end of atheism is the death of everyone. In addition, atheism has repressed free thought more than any other system in history. Why be biased in favor of death & repression? At least use consistent standards to judge.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Your comments are what I'd expect from a religious zealot... well done.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece I can document pretty much everything I've said with evidence from primary sources (I hope you understand what that is)...but I'm going through a legal case now against former business partners who broke a contract that caused me to lose $150,000 and severely damaged my marriage and family. I have 1000s of pages of indisputable facts. But, haven't had time to organize them as much as I wish...but I'm about done with a small booklet.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Just those who claim genesis and a fairytale written be barbarians is a science text book. As for your legal issues, I am sorry to hear that... that isn't cool for anyone. But let's just end this talk on evolution. You, despite what you think, do not have a grasp of the scientific method or the history of science... let alone holy texts.
Be well.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece With due respect,you are using almost exclusively apriori logical fallacies instead of being objective&following the evidence where it leads. Almost no advances in science have happened this way.
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You do not have a grasp of the scientific method or the history of science.
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Sorry, but this is just 100% false. Apriori reasoning that you are using is a violation of the scientific method. Again,I'm teaching that method THIS WEEK. Do I need to list it?? U be well 2.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree First, let my apologize if I have come off as harsh, these discussions are emotional... especially when both of us claim knowledge... anyway...
kailabreece 1 year ago
@dotoree The scientific method: the collection of data through observation and experimentation, peer review, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.
This is not creation science. No experiementation or peer review. Just an empty hypothesis based on phenomena with zero explanations. Let me ask you this Mr. Science... HOW is it designed. If creation science and ID do not answer that, than the hypothesis is worthless. Evolution EXPLAINS the HOW.
kailabreece 1 year ago 2
@dotoree What "A priori logical fallacies"? Do you even know what that means? The evidence leads to "modern evolutionary synthesis" theory, and that's been peer reviewed and tested and has made accurate predications and led to the development and advancement of genome dynamics and phylogentics.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece By the way, another straw man there. No Christians I know claim that the Bible is a science textbook, but when it does say scientific things, they have been extremely valuable, extended lives by many years (my gramps is 102+ and still giong strong because of them, but studies on 70,000 people over 30 years are the evidence that proves the point, not just 1 grandpas experience) and saved billions of lives. Watch the Buettner video. The Bible has often been millenia ahead of science.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree What health advice does hte bible provide?
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece Compartmentalized/sheltered? LOL. Um, I've lived on 3 continents (20 years outside the USA), have friends from all across the spectrum from conservative Christians to homosexuals and one of my best friends was an atheist for years (now Christian). I've read most of the best atheists and their supposed view of science and history which frequently distorts what PRIMARY SOURCES say. Your concept of me like your concept of the Bible has little to do with reality.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree I'm sure... you sound very intelligent. Please leave me alone. I am not a religious fundamentalist and you haven't a clue about science or the bible. I can't argue with stupid.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece Um, I edit academic papers for publication in major journals&present at intl. conferences. I have read&watched 1000s of hours on science,atheism, evolution and religion. I majored in religion. Doctors I teach won the #1 prize in the world a couple years ago at an international ENT conference. I am not a religious fundamentalist at all. I've been kicked off some conservative Christian forums for being "too liberal". Do you always make apriori allegations about strangers?
dotoree 1 year ago
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dotoree 1 year ago
@kailabreece My background? It doesn't really matter. The Wright brothers didn't have any expertise in planes but made gigantic contributions. The brilliant cancer treating Kanzius device was invented by someone with no medical training. But, if you want to know, I scored in the top 2% in the nation on my SATs, I have been a professor at both secular and religious schools and a part time job is editing medical papers for doctors and professors to be submitted to major journals.
dotoree 1 year ago
@dotoree Thanks. Still, ones background DOES matter. The Wright Brothers had no expertise in planes because planes (advanced aviation) did not yet exist. nonetheless, there background was in manufacturing and overall engineering. They weren't the average person. Scoring on an SAT however would be irrelevant. Considering u r NOT an evolutionary biologist or a Scientist within any field, I will submit that my validations must be from more credible resources than a religious guy on youtube.
kailabreece 1 year ago
@kailabreece Background and a degree can for SURE be helpful. But, it is just nonsense to say that ONLY people who have a degree can make contributions or be intelligent in an area. Some without degrees have studied more than those with degrees. It's how much and WHAT you have studied that matterd. The Wright Brothers background was in selling bicycles and mechanics, not engineering. And people were getting degrees in engineering LONG before the Wright brothers in America.
dotoree 1 year ago
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If there is no here after then nothing matters; but if there is a here after then nothing else matters. I would rather go through life believing there IS a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't a God and find out there is.
wbnrn0328 1 year ago
I used to have interest in "alternative" approaches to evolution. Michale Cremo's "De-evolution" ideas, Rupert Sheldrake's "Biomorphic Resonance" hypotheses... but "Intelliegtn Design" or "Creationism" always seemed stupid/nonsensical - never presented anything for a palpable basis.
To say that it's just "Intelligent Design" & "Evolution" on the stage... that's just provincial, uneducated ignorance. It's dishonest to play the "equal time" duality.
These people should be ashamed of themselves.
abyssquick 1 year ago
1:11 That's hilarious.
skepticaltuber 1 year ago
Just because you have belief in something doesn't mean you have a right to say it is true in schools or in government or anywhere.
All these people who try to force their opinions into society always say that they "believe". It should stop there. That's all it should remain: a belief.
NOT a curriculum. NOT a policy.
skepticaltuber 1 year ago
What a fucking narcissist, he thinks that God, if he is real, just happens to care so much about the US above all the other Christian-dominated nations.
frankystein12 1 year ago
people are tought blindly from a young age the theory of creationism they are pressured into there supperiors oppinions but schools show you how to use reason and science to learn about your enviroment bringing creationism into schools would ruin that and turn inpretionable youth into mindless religios zombies
religion is for church
science and reason is for eveything else
landon851 2 years ago
the lady at the begining looks like shes "very" pleased with the trying to get creationism in the school i like "the look" lol
landon851 2 years ago
howcome just religious people support creationism? I mean if the creationist theory is so "correct" howcome no one who is not a theist believes in it?
I mean there are debates in science all the time, but why does this one in particular is just for religious people?
yusbarrett 2 years ago
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Idiots.
We up NORTH also believe in every word of the Bible, EAST and WEST too! This video is so heavily Anti-Christian and completely biased even in its dodgy reporting it becomes a classic example how the liberal-run media will NEVER ADMIT what the MAJORITY OFAMERICA BELIEVES!!
GrailcodeDotNet 2 years ago
@GrailcodeDotNet It doesn't matter what you believe. Keep religion in the church and Science and reason in the schools.
gothstar14 2 years ago
Science investigates the natural world aka reality. That is what should be taught in schools, pure reality. If you want superstition and magical baloney, go to a church.
altosax1st 2 years ago
You could teach "both sides" if you had a vallid evidence.
Mitche23 2 years ago
It would take all the teachers time to talk about the creation from Greek, Norse, christian, muslim, hindu (and the list goes on) mythologies. I dare hope this teacher didnt assume christian creation was the only creation to be taught.
M0rganKane 2 years ago
Try using 'moot' instead of 'mute' in future when discussing moot points.
naganokumas 2 years ago
So basically he's complaining that we don't include magic in the science curriculum and that those damned educated and thinking elite don't agree with him (which should tell him something)
CriticalAtheist 2 years ago 4
.... That man should have his ability to teach revoked.
FeralCr 2 years ago 5
your god sucks, keep him to yourself ;)
Darcsied27 2 years ago 5
Imagine this nut teaching your kids??
jpc08109 2 years ago 4
there's a reason why there ELITE.
asshole.
liquidhead 2 years ago 4
WTF!!!!
FiftyShekels 2 years ago 2
what an asshole...and he is suppossed to be a teacher of biology and other sciences...he does not even know what a theory is...damn fool.
longstrider9999 2 years ago 16
'If we push him out, he's going to remove his hand of protection from us'...it's that kind of ridiculous reasoning that believes earthquakes happen because of gay marriage! Please atheists of America, unite and have a civil war.
phixl 2 years ago 4
This guy's an idiot
phixl 2 years ago 5
Wow! HALF the people in Louisiana are stupid!!
phixl 2 years ago
If you don't "believe" evolution, then you don't really understand it.
Creationism isn't a scientific THEORY. It is a religious or philosophical IDEA. It can be in our schools, but in a philosophy or religion class.
He says: "To rule out anything outside of nature is not intellectually honest." So we need to bring supernaturalism into out science classrooms? really intellectually honest, man.
"The more educated a person is, the less likely they are to believe in creationism." Thank you.
ThEGrEaTGiG735 2 years ago 6
This couldn't be a more typical case of a poor, ignorant fool who's misguided.
Did they say that the 'elite' where he lived were largely non-believers and didn't want to talk about the subject? Sounds more like they are educated and have already given him an answer... either way, I'm surprised to hear this about a ruling body in... Alabama, was it?
Good job, America, gotta stop this BS in its tracks.
LordZorkly 2 years ago 2
I'm dismayed that so many creationists show blatant contempt for the US Constitution by trying again and again to force their religious views into public school classrooms.
papafox 2 years ago 5
A post-christian nation for a reason.
Shirazzikkdh 2 years ago 2
this man is a deluded fool.
heyriggs84 2 years ago 2
There's no such thing as an atheist, at the wrong end of a gun, chumps !
hobo59 2 years ago
Dunno, they are militar atheist who have been on gunfire who doesnt need to rely on imaginary beings for confort.
Ryosuke1208 2 years ago
And there's no such thing as a theist after they're dead.
raytheist 2 years ago
@hobo59 I beg to differ.
gothstar14 2 years ago
"God was responsible for this country existing." God wanted white Europeans to slaughter a continent full of natives, bringing black slaves over by the millions while dying and being tortured, murdering Mexicans to take the southwest, and push out entire ecosystems to produce farmland and mini-malls? This dude is so historically ignorant it's appalling. Statements like that are just a continuation of ignorant manifest destiny bullshit sourced from Genesis, to conquer the land and animals.
coil311 2 years ago 4
Honestly, if you buy that the bible was handed down by divine revelation, all of that stuff fits in nicely with old testament traditions. The Europeans slaughtering the Native Americans actually sounds strikingly similar to the Israelites slaughtering their way through Canaan, in Joshua.
Similar chapters also describe how to take slaves, "You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance." (Leviticus 25:44-46)
His ignorance is overwhelming.
IanBillings00 2 years ago 3
"It's no longer a Christian nation"
It never was. Maybe the majority of people are Christians, but it's a secular nation with a Constitution that gaurantees that separation... not a theocracy and we do not have an official religion. In the USA there is freedom to believe and freedom to NOT to believe any deities/supernatural bullshit.
coil311 2 years ago
Dave, you fail. If you Americans should have learned one thing from your own history, its that you can achieve great things when you stop praying, roll up your sleeves and do something about it.
omegavalerius 2 years ago
At 1:10 - "Studies show the more educated a person is the less likely they are to believe in creationism" - You will never hear that on American main stream media because they want the public to be comfortable with their ignorance.
stewart0312 2 years ago 3
@stewart0312
I think you may be right... I've never heard anything remotely like that on US t.v., and I've watched way too much television in my life so far! The "elite" this creationist attacks are basically the smart people of society. Elite is not a bad thing!
Definition: "the choice or best of anything considered collectively"
I want the best thinkers to be in charge, or at least helping to control the helm.
coil311 2 years ago
to the comment below me--->Bull shit.
humanequilibrium 2 years ago
Russia Today = The Fox News of Russia
dreamdewil 2 years ago
lawl, nothing compares to the stupidity of fox news.
samin62 2 years ago
lol @ 2:08
Muzztein 2 years ago
well if you don't want to rule anything out and you don't know anything is the truth..then why can't we also teach kids that we are the decendents of aliens or that we all came from a mass of energy that exploded into tiny pieces? I mean, they all seem as reasonable as the claims of creationism.
anurre5 2 years ago
The founders of the united states were not Christians, U.S.A isn't a Christian country...it was heading in the wrong direction when people started praying !!!
teenkarim 2 years ago 6
Another stalwart defender of what he believes the Constitution is.
ArchonAlez 2 years ago
Ich weis nicht was Unterschied zwischen Christian und islamic, wie alle Menschen, muss Ohne Große Katastrofe für die Menschheit Leben und Zusammen arbeiten. Ich Liebe Christian, und Ich Liebe Islamic.
Gerechtigkeit liegt in Wirtschaftliche Vernüftigkeit. Wir sind alle Bruder und Schwester.
Gulia50 2 years ago
science teachers are not scientist...
eldogg4life 2 years ago 4
Good point. I think we can guess why *this* man is a science teacher and not a scientist.
papafox 2 years ago
"...if we push HIM out, I think that he is going to remove his hand of protection from us."
LOL @ resorting to threats of disaster in the absence of some imaginary magic protection.
Where was that divine protection when Pearl Harbor was attacked?
BigDickandLittleJon 2 years ago 4
Or 9/11, or when black slaves were being tortured and murderer, or Natives were being forcibly removed from their homes, or when natural disasters destroyed millions of lives, or... et cetera. Good point BD&LJ
coil311 2 years ago
"even though it's legal"
huh? It is against the law to teach Creationism in US public schools. That is the reason they started the Intelligent Design movement. Why can't we have at least a few reporters that aren't complete fucktards?
HoleDweller 2 years ago 5
This guy teaches children in schools.
LOL
....wait, that's not funny.
stylovore 2 years ago 6
This is the last time I'm going to say it:
AMERICA IS NOT FOUNDED ON ANY CHRISTIAN IDEALS OR VALUES.
Treaty of Tripoli, 1796:
" ... the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion ..."
gg, religious right.
tekfunk 2 years ago 18
@tekfunk Sorry,but the establishment of a secular government by our almost completely Christian founders (google: Religion of the Founding Fathers of America) doesn't at all mean that Christianity didn't influence the founding principles of America. They most certainly did and quite extensively as well as many other western countries. Thomas Jefferson for example wrote, "The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty…[It] will make us better citizens, better fathers, and better husbands."
dotoree 1 year ago
@tekfunk Here's George Washington:
"It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
dotoree 1 year ago
if they want to teach Christian creation..then it shouldn't be exclusive to christianity..we should teach hindu creation, islamic creation, we shouldn't just teach the story of one god but all the others..people want to teach their ridiculous fairy-tales then why not teach every single one?
PhillipThunderGrunge 2 years ago
and even then, only in a mythology and religion studies class
MarkG45 2 years ago
The elite are non-believers? What?!
WillSKB88 2 years ago
I look at Creationists like a blind person playing pool.
DIRTYDUNNZ 2 years ago
I hate living here sometimes.
tebinthehouse 2 years ago
i so agree with you,america is being laughed at by the rest of the world on this subject.
campasini 2 years ago 2
By the rest of the Western world would be more specific. In the West, we are shit.
tebinthehouse 2 years ago
2:07 "Post Cristian Nation?"
John Adams once said the USA was NOT Based on Religion
TheSillverfoxxify 2 years ago 4
1:59
"unbelievers"?
... yes, we should let these people take control of our schools :/
xneuroticxloserx 2 years ago 2
What a well balanced report LOL. That's what you get when theocrats control news.
artyfarty2 2 years ago
Religion is a pox on humanity, I say it should fall and reason should prevail. It is nothing more than bedtime stories for adults. Get over it!
ingodidoubt 2 years ago 6
Hang on - all the church members all tipped the hand of this so-called alternative science by referencing a specific religion. There are Muslim creationists, and it is perfectly reasonable to construct a theory of "Intelligent" Design that could be attributed to any one of a number of deities.
Let's waste time teaching ALL the controversy! As an Australian, I will be offended if our Indigenous beliefs are not taught - and the Rainbow Serpent may withdraw his holy protection from your nation!
201curzonst 2 years ago 3
WOOHOO! we're apparantly L33t now! This is so awesome, Ive been trying to get L33t since hackers came out in the 90s!
razorflown2 2 years ago
WTF is L33t
SkeptikSnarf 2 years ago
@SkeptikSnarf google it
razorflown2 2 years ago
wow, anyone can get a teaching credentials in the south now huh? sad
amyleesilent 2 years ago
Seriously, why do these idiots get any time on television. Its a sad state of affairs that as a country, we are mocked for our lack of real science education in the current system we have, and they are now trying to make it even more dumbed down with the whole "god did it" version of "science" in their eyes.
alchron 2 years ago 4
He is on television because he represents what the bulk of Americans actually believe.
kawaiigardiner 2 years ago