Craig is a putting his cart before the horse when he said "time and space require a cause". In order for cause and effect to have meaning they require the existence of space/time in which to operate. Without the free flow of time there can be no before, no after and no sequence of events---all of which cause and effect depend on.
Oh come on AA. We all a little schizoid. So admit it, even if you can only manage it during a quiet moment in contemplation, that deep down, hidden is a recess of your subconscious, probably with a imaginary padlock on the outside, the real you lurks, biding its time to spring forth and engulf you in an orgy of irrational behaviour and you will become a compulsive gambler, to start. Then you'll embrace evry crackpot conspiracy theory as your own. Is your HAND now trembling? I wonder why.
This WLC claims to be a philosopher, sort of. Does he have any degrees? Any research? His "philosophy" seems to be of the sort you can find among simpletons. Full of assertions and commentary in areas he seem to have absolutely no knowledge about.
But then, this is hardly a novel observation.
Aside from that I am pretty sure that there is no degree in philosophy that would qualify a person to seriously speculate about the beginning of the universe. You need physics for that.
@FredricF He's got degrees but given how intellectually dishonest he is he may as well not have graduated high school. Actually, there are probably plenty of high school dropouts who are better at logic than he.
@FredricF You should be able to look up his degrees in Wiki. He's a "research professor" at Biola University, an evangelical christian college in California.
@WildwoodClaire1 Well, WLC may have degrees but so does Ben Goldacres late cat, sort of, and, frankly, I suspect the dead cat has if not more but certainly not less intelligent things to say about the origin of the universe.
@WildwoodClaire1 LOL... "Research"... I wonder what kind of "research" they do... Maybe they are researching neurons...? In case there might be some hidden.
Hi are you related to the youtuber Von Helton? You 2 look a lot alike and sound alike. You both have book cases in your background and dress very casually and slothfullike. Also you both attempt to talk intelligently, but you can sense the unconfident, hillbilly, wannabe vibe from your aura.
That last little nugget was brought to you by some loser who's only contribution to youtube is a 3 minute video on how to get laid online in 30 days. A guide that he apparently can't actually translate to real-world relationships, as he spends all his time trolling online and masturbating to re-runs of Gilligan's Island. Thanks for that witty bit of insight, @brandonkirkv.
@WildwoodClaire1 - Your question of why this uncaused cause has to be a being reminds me of Dawkins objection in the God Delusion. Of course, WLC goes out of his way to strawman Dawkins argument when addressing the top 10 worst objections to the Kalam Cosmological argument. I guess, that's the problem with Silly Willy. He doesn't care about his opponent's actual arguments.
How does someone like WLC go from admitting based on our natural world of cause and effect that those same principles would apply to an uncaused universe? Just because he can ponder it doesnt mean it right, that logic allows everyone to think up whatever they want also. The physical laws at the singularity could be completely foreign to us, and based on a stupid book ( the bridge between the super and the theist ) the theist has the answer, the arrogance blows my mind, it deeply saddens me.
I was hoping you'd use the fun requirement of having Craig disprove your shade of blue hypothesis with an argument that can't also be used against his own hypothesis. I love the reactions that gets.
WLC is the living proof that in order to do science, you need a pen, a paper and a trash bin, but in order to do philosophy you only need the pen and the paper.
And by the most amazing coincidence this super all powerful all knowing unimaginable being has the exact same personality traits as the average beer-stained-shirt wearing wife beater.
@prodigyat9 I think you'll find that your average beer-stained-shirt wearing wife beater would find a lot of Billy Lame Craig's God's actions pretty appalling.
Ah! But the World is Flat, where I am. Except for the hills. So Claire thinks she does not know where the Universe came from. Except it probably came forth from a singularity. Well I know exactly what happened. God said, "Let there be light". And the simple reason God does not speak to us directly, is he died in and from the big bang for it was an incredible mind blowing orgasm and he knew exactly what he was doing. For him, it was worth it. Yet he didn't know it would lead to humans. So was it?
@hgryphon At the end I asked "So was it". meaning "When God had his orgams & created this Universe & died in the process, was it (from his point of view), was the orgasm worth dying for? I assume such a God would not have had any idea how the Universe would evolve, to lead to humans. But god was a spider,as we all know, so humans being in his lickness only refers to our mentality. But he was much brainier to have created a universe from the quantum foam. You try swimming in a quantum foam! .
@listen2meokidoki You're either an amazing actor or amazingly mad. Either way, you're now witnessing me holding up a placating hand as I back away cautiously from the nice insane person.
@hgryphon Clearly you have not read Isaac Asimov's short story "The Last Question". Clearly also, you are a pathetic little squirmy thing. Hold up your hand? Back away? You wouldn't even have a hand. You're just an excuse for a dog's dropping.....but don't take me seriously. Otherwise I might have to hold up both my hands and call the police!
@hgryphon When a moron meets someone with a High School education, why should the one with the superior education kiss the other's arse? Admit it, you're just sensitive. Like the character Otto in the movie "A Fish Called Wonda". Now that's an INSULT!
Otto says: You know your problem? You don't like winners.
Projecting. I'm not the one writing whole paragraphs in response. :)
Here's a paragraph: if you must know, the comment that I responded to was a rambling, incoherent, non-sequitur mess. At first, I thought you did it on purpose. Now I'm convinced that you ramble because you're insane. (That, and you threatened to remove my hand.)
@hgryphon I never ramble. I never even suggested anything about your hand or hands. I make excellent well researched references that you simple do dot or can not appreciate. This is probably because you are ignorant, an idiot, and have an exaggerated opinion of your own abilities and powers of persuasion. I on the other hand simply endeavour to make a difference, and like Claire, avoid at all costs becoming a Twitterererer. Like you!
And now you're responding out of a sense of hurt pride. I like how you can call me ignorant because I don't understand your schizophrenic rambling. You sound like a smug conspiracy theorist. As for being a "twitterererer," you're still responding. Be the big man and don't respond. Or you will have proven me correct on all counts. Okay?
@hgryphon Garbage in garbage out. That's the way the world works for you, obviously. Again I must explain. Avoiding becoming a twittererer means, avoiding being too brief. Limiting a reply to 140 characters makes it impossible to have a meaningful discussion. Twittererers are clearly air-heads. They, like you really can't put 2 coherent thought together without turning a twitter in to a squark! You'll never learn to talk proper on 140 or less. You should just give up, boring person=insult.
As this conversation started with your garbage going in, that's not a very nice thing to say about yourself. :)
"Again I must explain."
You mean explain for the first time. :)
This isn't a conversation, this is me accusing you of being schizo. And obviously narcissistic, always passing on faults to others. You have me "all figured out" based on YouTube comments. Well, if I'm so boring, why waste time with me? Because you're trapped!
I honestly can go days without thinking about the big bang, its either true or not, as I am not a quantum physicist or whoever thinks about these things its way out of my pay grade, still does not mean that god done it.
@molokozor An episode of The Outer Limits once had a talking visitor from a 2 dimensional Universe. But it was in Black & White. Maybe that Being, that dot of light (which must have cost a lot of special FX (Effects) dollars),was a BLUE dot. Maybe even a messenger from god! Or maybe that is how we can speak to god. Via a 2 dimensional projection! Is that what they mean by telephone to glory? Oh what joy devine! I can hear the current on the line! Halleluja!
Great video, I love the visual of a disembodied head outside of space and time creating the Universe almost like a B plot old fashioned sci fi movie. I would love to see you take on this fool.
The only thing which is inevitable to picture or non substractable is the 3 dimentional space. Craig said god existed before space but that's impossible. Even if existed in space but before time, oputside of time., in the eternity it would be assumptios to say the inevitable 3d space would be an atribute of this unsubstatiated personal "being". I find no reason to believe there is time. There is only an eternal, infinite inevitable blank, energy and operation from it's characters.
Claire ( I know it not your real name but alas ) you outdid yourself on this one....you chose such great clips....I have to clean my monitor from the Diet Dr. Pepper I spit up. Thanks as always for your videos!
Time is a property of the universe that can not be separated from space. There is no reason to assume that anything can exist outside of spacetime, except maybe on the quantum/singularity level. Since the apparent linearity of time applies only to things within spacetime, spacetime itself does not require a cause that is a temporal precondition to spacetime's existence. Therefore, WLC's "the universe has a cause", as he defines it in his argumentation, is invalid.
I quite like this current WLC drama, normally fundies get run off youtube purely from their own stupidity. WLC is being run off youtube and he isn't even on it *coughs.....
I love the way WLC is not embarrased that he thinks his "Causeless Being" created the Universe out of literally nothing and yet accuses atheists (incorrectly) of saying the same thing.
facepalm... I hate having to explain a joke... WLC carries on about Creatio Ex Nihilo, and then pulls conjecture out of his ass. Ex Annulus (or something... not exactly sure what the Latin would be for the context)
@WildwoodClaire1 You will find cringe and video-response-worthy in this lecture (and a lot of the same drivel you addressed in this video): youtu . be / fP9CwDTRoOE
Billy Lame Craig. Doctor of Bullshitology. He's just the type I'd get physically ill trying to debate. I wouldn't be able to listen to him at all and get up and totally ignore all his points. hahha
"superintelligent shade of the colour blue" I guess his response would be that blue is a perceived property by an observer of a certain spectrum of light that requires spacetime to travel in, but that the epithet "superintelligent" is spot on. ;)
Then again, we've never seen a mind not requiring a brain or spacetime to operate in either. I'd say both are pretty shitty explanations. :P
Some negatives can be proved. Victor Stenger repeatedly made the argument that, while the »existence« of deist gods is neither falsifiable nor verifiable, in the case of the supposedly intervening judeo-christian deity, evidence that should be there isn't (archaeology, history, absence of miracles); and even worse, there's contradicting evidence (prayer studies, existence of »evil«).
See Stenger's posts at Huffington post: »Absence of Evidence Is Evidence of Absence« (2010-08-14).
WLC "this has been fertile ground for speculations...it can be filled with all sorts of fantasies" YES Craig! ...why didn't you recognise your OWN fantasy which you stuffed the gap with?! I'm guessing your "dr" title was blocking the view.
lol I have just been arguing this point lately. Someone accused scientists of trying to disprove god. I told them scientists don't try to disprove god, scientists simply strive to understand the world we live in by gaining knowledge, disproving god is simply a side effect of that knowledge.
Well Craig gave us the metaphor without giving as the actual story. When i say, information is processed in a serial manner(first in, last out), just like the way you wash a stack of plates, i just gave the fact(verifiable actual information) and a metaphor to help you imagine or understand. The disembodied mind is a fine metaphor but what is the actual process here? I can't say, "this car was built like molecules attracting each other". Having just the metaphor its useless information.
@micdhack I agree. He just says things that sound good to his followers with self-inflicted ignorance. It doesn't has to be logical or factually based so long as it makes people feel good. That's why he's a sophist and hardly worth our time, except of course it's always fun to show moronic his claims are when so many Christians think he's the greatest man alive. Showing how bad his arguments are shows how gullible his followers are.
I'm afraid that WLC's arguments barely reach the level of school boy debating. Anyone with a modicum of logical thought can drive a bus through his nonsense.
so thats the proof that there is a god, eh willy baby? sorry, but i cannot believe that W L C really believes the shite that he spouts. i think he's in the benny hinn camp of exploiting the gormless.
AND a Douglas Adams fan too!!! I rather liked God's Last Message to creation, written in 20 mile high letters of flaming rock on the most remote planet in the universe... "WE APOLOGISE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE CAUSED."
If they want to say that their god creates the universe from "his" "energy," then I think an easy to eliminate the anthropomorphized god and just say that is was energy that caused the universe.
The thing that cracks me up about this crackpot is that when discussing his god's omnipotence he says that god cannot do what is logically impossible like making a square circle, but at the same time, he will talk about how creating something from nothing is logically impossible and yet his god can do that. Some have said that god creates the universe from "himself," while also saying that their god is outside space and time and is completely immaterial. (Cont.)
The likes of WLC are double thinkers par excellence. On one hand they believe the Bible to literally true. On the other, their god created the universe according to modern cosmological theory.
Gotta love theists. They bang on endlessly about "Faith", but in reality they are so desperate for evidence that they'll jump an any old bandwagon that comes their way - even if it's a bandwagon with only one wheel, and that a square one. Sorry Billy Boy, this 'ere bandwagon just ain't gonna roll.
Craig is absolute PROOF for the nonexistence of any God... If there was a God, he wouldn’t need someone like Craig to explain away all of his errors, inconsistencies and contradictions….
@apeek7 It is interesting that we need to debate the existence of god. The fact that creationists or Christian philosophers have to make people accept that there might be a possibility for a god is a huge weakness to their arguments.
@milsvaard A further weakness is that any "proof" would apply equally to any of 30,000 or so gods. There is no direct path to the Christian (or any other) god.
No, Claire, you're completely wrong. A sentient, disembodied shade of the color blue? How blasphemous! Everybody knows that the universe was created by Todd, the inept plastic surgeon from the TV show "Scrubs." Now, prove me wrong!
1:31 "This being must be an uncaused, timeless, spaceless, immaterial being of unfathomable power." And that's exactly how you define "God" out of existence.
@ozmoroid Yeah, Craig's willy-waving about being a 'professional' philosopher is hilarious given the actual quality of his arguments. Some philosopher's being 'trained' makes them as fallible and out of the loop as the Introspectionist school of psychology... and for the same reason: being trained how to think in general terms seems to equate to being trained how to think specifically, methodologically. There's no personally-derived synthesis going on, at all.
Not blue but more of a mauve. The whole assertion that 'God' is beyond time and space destroys agnosticism. Before anyone can say that whether it's possible for an omnipotent being to exist, it must first be stated... hypothesized... conjectured... as to how that being CAN possibly exist in the first place. WLC often states that 'God' is not conditioned and not created, but cannot define what the hell that means or how such a state is possible.
@AthenaSchroedinger "The color blue you say? Ok, what shade of blue? *laughs*" ...It depends on your particular demonination of Blueism, of course. And as we all know, there's a "Dark Shade" and "Light Shade" of the Blue.
When TLD called him "Billy Boy" in one of his earlier videos, I remembered there's a famous brand of hygiene product sold in Germany with the same name. Enter "billy boy condoms" into google images. You may find their logo/mascot useful next time you have to deal with WLC.
wow,so if i don't understand something,I can just make a bunch of shit up that amuses me? ok let me try this real quick. Quantum Physics is confusing as shit,so my penis must be nearly a foot long,and I have a million dollars. we'll find out if that works when the girls start calling
Superintellegent shade of the color blue? Nonsense. Just as the man said, the creator has to be an abstract object, like numbers. Therefore the creator was 42.
The Universe is brought to you by the number 3 and the letter Fail. Defending God through the DMCA is proof that a personal God doesn't exist or at least doesn't care about YouTube.
Super Intelligent Blues... a whole guitar collection of universes which also explains "string theory". You heard it here first. My flashback should be over soon.
WLC simple cause and effect... linear and of limited use, our understanding of the natural world reveals rich and complex feedback systems where simple cause and effect concepts fail miserably. So your outerworldly old bearded fart just fell flat on his vaporous ass.
My hypothesis is that heaven is shaped like a cone, extending infinitely from its apex. Heaven's apex contacts the Earth's surface at one point -- Chapel Hill. Thus, Chapel Hill is the Southern Part of Heaven.
My cosmology hypothesis is that the singularity imploded and what is called expansion is really the FTL collapse of the event horizon. What we see as variations on the expansion are the interplay between the ejection and the singularity's diminishing gravity.
When should we tell William Lane Craig that philosophy has evolved a great deal since Aquinas? There's a reason why Atheism jumped out of history's "refutation" bin and become not only a viable position, but the one that is most likely correct.
Even if there were a god where would he get the information required to create the universe? Why would he be a "he" billions (no, that isn't hyperbole) of years before any living organism had a need for gender, which in turn evolved to pass down increasingly complex genetic information? If there is a god who knows everything then there's no free will since he would create people knowing ahead of time that they'll go to Hell.
@ThePuppyTurtle so, what did he mean? And why such a sophomoric attempt to avoid the infinite regress problem as claiming a disembodied mind outside of time and space? And, a disembodied mind, really?!
@WildwoodClaire1 Best Guess, That the singularity came from nothing then Instantly expanded. Whatever, I'm more of a fan of the Tomistic Cosmological argument anyway. Though you have to make certain metaphysical assumptions (that were taken for granted at the time he made them but are questioned now) to make it work. In general, I'll just say that i'm reading WLC's book and expect to see a defense in the "The Existence of God (1)" Section.
@futureorreligion I watched the entire debate with Hitchens (that's where most of the clips came from) and I arrived at the conclusion WLC was spewing crapulence. Perhaps my greatest problem with WLC is that he invokes natural explanations when convenient but than claims miraculous whims by a creator being when that suits his purpose.
@petion2010 Wanna get banned from another site? Try the YouTube channel PPSimmons. Even disagreeing nicely will get you blocked. It's fairly clear that these Christian channels know that they cannot justify their beliefs and so the best way to maintain their delusion is to eradicate all dissenting thoughts.
@WildwoodClaire1 Actually yeah, the Bekenstein bound entails that before the Big Bang there was nothing, at least nothing with physical units attached to it.
@1140Cecile Eradicating all dissenting beliefs is nothing new for Christians. They're just following in the footsteps of their forefathers. Christianity didn't exactly spread through Europe and eliminating competing pagan religions through dialogues. Today, Christians wanna offer this nice version of their faith based on love and whatever, but, let's not forget how they behaved when they had absolute power.
@petion2010 Me too. Quite proud of that. I've since been banned by VenomFangX, too :D But not before I had the highest rated comment on his latest effort for a bit :D
Craig is a putting his cart before the horse when he said "time and space require a cause". In order for cause and effect to have meaning they require the existence of space/time in which to operate. Without the free flow of time there can be no before, no after and no sequence of events---all of which cause and effect depend on.
socksumi 2 weeks ago
Lol I love the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference. Well done madam.
ApatheticalyAmbiguos 3 weeks ago
lol, sub'd
ZZzzzzzWhat 1 month ago
Oh come on AA. We all a little schizoid. So admit it, even if you can only manage it during a quiet moment in contemplation, that deep down, hidden is a recess of your subconscious, probably with a imaginary padlock on the outside, the real you lurks, biding its time to spring forth and engulf you in an orgy of irrational behaviour and you will become a compulsive gambler, to start. Then you'll embrace evry crackpot conspiracy theory as your own. Is your HAND now trembling? I wonder why.
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
This WLC claims to be a philosopher, sort of. Does he have any degrees? Any research? His "philosophy" seems to be of the sort you can find among simpletons. Full of assertions and commentary in areas he seem to have absolutely no knowledge about.
But then, this is hardly a novel observation.
Aside from that I am pretty sure that there is no degree in philosophy that would qualify a person to seriously speculate about the beginning of the universe. You need physics for that.
FredricF 1 month ago
@FredricF He's got degrees but given how intellectually dishonest he is he may as well not have graduated high school. Actually, there are probably plenty of high school dropouts who are better at logic than he.
gatorhighlights4 1 month ago
@gatorhighlights4 Eurgh - he HAS degrees. I did not get enough sleep last night.
gatorhighlights4 1 month ago
@FredricF You should be able to look up his degrees in Wiki. He's a "research professor" at Biola University, an evangelical christian college in California.
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1 Well, WLC may have degrees but so does Ben Goldacres late cat, sort of, and, frankly, I suspect the dead cat has if not more but certainly not less intelligent things to say about the origin of the universe.
Anyways, love your videos and your fatass cats.
FredricF 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1 LOL... "Research"... I wonder what kind of "research" they do... Maybe they are researching neurons...? In case there might be some hidden.
cre599 1 month ago
Hi are you related to the youtuber Von Helton? You 2 look a lot alike and sound alike. You both have book cases in your background and dress very casually and slothfullike. Also you both attempt to talk intelligently, but you can sense the unconfident, hillbilly, wannabe vibe from your aura.
brandonkirkv 1 month ago
That last little nugget was brought to you by some loser who's only contribution to youtube is a 3 minute video on how to get laid online in 30 days. A guide that he apparently can't actually translate to real-world relationships, as he spends all his time trolling online and masturbating to re-runs of Gilligan's Island. Thanks for that witty bit of insight, @brandonkirkv.
GottaStopKillin 1 month ago
@GottaStopKillin I was frankly reminded of a malevolent "SomeGrayBloke."
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
@brandonkirkv I have a better dentist.
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago 6
@WildwoodClaire1 - Your question of why this uncaused cause has to be a being reminds me of Dawkins objection in the God Delusion. Of course, WLC goes out of his way to strawman Dawkins argument when addressing the top 10 worst objections to the Kalam Cosmological argument. I guess, that's the problem with Silly Willy. He doesn't care about his opponent's actual arguments.
lobothesacred3 1 month ago
Actually you can prove a negative. It's called a proof by conrtadiction since A and NOT A is false.
mjh012363 1 month ago
How does someone like WLC go from admitting based on our natural world of cause and effect that those same principles would apply to an uncaused universe? Just because he can ponder it doesnt mean it right, that logic allows everyone to think up whatever they want also. The physical laws at the singularity could be completely foreign to us, and based on a stupid book ( the bridge between the super and the theist ) the theist has the answer, the arrogance blows my mind, it deeply saddens me.
benaberry 1 month ago
I like how smart you are. Always fun listening to you. :)
mollie2810 1 month ago 2
@mollie2810 Just another educated hillbilly. :)
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago 3
Super integent of the colour blue??? Hmm! you've been reading Dougless Addams again havn't you?
TheEnglishAthiest 1 month ago
@TheEnglishAthiest my spelling sucks
TheEnglishAthiest 1 month ago
@TheEnglishAthiest Not for awhile, but it had a profound effect on me.
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1 A Hooloovo. Did it create the universe while refracted into a prism or in its normal form?
WLC (Whopping Loada Crap) might know.
:o)
fidgaf 1 month ago
William Lame Crap
Justme8237 1 month ago
craig is the worst of all fools !
flexbrat 1 month ago
I was hoping you'd use the fun requirement of having Craig disprove your shade of blue hypothesis with an argument that can't also be used against his own hypothesis. I love the reactions that gets.
hgryphon 1 month ago
As a kid, I used to imagine the universe was made by an alien and was located inside a little back box on a Laboratory workbench.
Diamonddavej 1 month ago
It's a blue miracle.
rwstoney 1 month ago
WLC is the living proof that in order to do science, you need a pen, a paper and a trash bin, but in order to do philosophy you only need the pen and the paper.
JennyFarlopez 1 month ago 5
And by the most amazing coincidence this super all powerful all knowing unimaginable being has the exact same personality traits as the average beer-stained-shirt wearing wife beater.
prodigyat9 1 month ago
@prodigyat9 I think you'll find that your average beer-stained-shirt wearing wife beater would find a lot of Billy Lame Craig's God's actions pretty appalling.
evensgrey 1 month ago
"It's fuckin' math aright" Styzor- every other video!
DarthAzabrush 1 month ago
"It the being there was nothing. Which exploded."
---Terry Pratchett
bmeissner 1 month ago
Ah! But the World is Flat, where I am. Except for the hills. So Claire thinks she does not know where the Universe came from. Except it probably came forth from a singularity. Well I know exactly what happened. God said, "Let there be light". And the simple reason God does not speak to us directly, is he died in and from the big bang for it was an incredible mind blowing orgasm and he knew exactly what he was doing. For him, it was worth it. Yet he didn't know it would lead to humans. So was it?
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
@listen2meokidoki Is this some kind of Turing test?
hgryphon 1 month ago
@hgryphon At the end I asked "So was it". meaning "When God had his orgams & created this Universe & died in the process, was it (from his point of view), was the orgasm worth dying for? I assume such a God would not have had any idea how the Universe would evolve, to lead to humans. But god was a spider,as we all know, so humans being in his lickness only refers to our mentality. But he was much brainier to have created a universe from the quantum foam. You try swimming in a quantum foam! .
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
@listen2meokidoki You're either an amazing actor or amazingly mad. Either way, you're now witnessing me holding up a placating hand as I back away cautiously from the nice insane person.
hgryphon 1 month ago
@hgryphon Clearly you have not read Isaac Asimov's short story "The Last Question". Clearly also, you are a pathetic little squirmy thing. Hold up your hand? Back away? You wouldn't even have a hand. You're just an excuse for a dog's dropping.....but don't take me seriously. Otherwise I might have to hold up both my hands and call the police!
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
@listen2meokidoki Have you ever had a psychologist test you for schizophrenia?
"Otherwise I might have to hold up both my hands and call the police!"
Actually, that's my line, you poor crazy bastard.
hgryphon 1 month ago
@hgryphon Poor crazy and a bastarde! That's three insults i one. That's going too far, you overeducated cross between a mule and a giant turtle.
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
@listen2meokidoki I see. I have to take insults from you, but not give any in return? Yeah? Kiss my ass.
hgryphon 1 month ago
@hgryphon When a moron meets someone with a High School education, why should the one with the superior education kiss the other's arse? Admit it, you're just sensitive. Like the character Otto in the movie "A Fish Called Wonda". Now that's an INSULT!
Otto says: You know your problem? You don't like winners.
Archie (the smart Englshman: Winners?
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
@hgryphon Otto: Yeah. Winners.
Archie: Winners, like North Vietnam?
Otto: Shut up. We didn't lose Vietnam. It was a tie!
Archie: [going into a cowboy-like drawl] I'm tellin' ya baby, they kicked your little ass there. Boy, they whooped yer hide REAL GOOD.
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
@listen2meokidoki "Admit it, you're just sensitive."
Projecting. I'm not the one writing whole paragraphs in response. :)
Here's a paragraph: if you must know, the comment that I responded to was a rambling, incoherent, non-sequitur mess. At first, I thought you did it on purpose. Now I'm convinced that you ramble because you're insane. (That, and you threatened to remove my hand.)
hgryphon 1 month ago
@hgryphon I never ramble. I never even suggested anything about your hand or hands. I make excellent well researched references that you simple do dot or can not appreciate. This is probably because you are ignorant, an idiot, and have an exaggerated opinion of your own abilities and powers of persuasion. I on the other hand simply endeavour to make a difference, and like Claire, avoid at all costs becoming a Twitterererer. Like you!
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
@listen2meokidoki "I never even suggested anything about your hand"
Liar! You said: "You wouldn't even have a hand."
And now you're responding out of a sense of hurt pride. I like how you can call me ignorant because I don't understand your schizophrenic rambling. You sound like a smug conspiracy theorist. As for being a "twitterererer," you're still responding. Be the big man and don't respond. Or you will have proven me correct on all counts. Okay?
hgryphon 1 month ago
@hgryphon Garbage in garbage out. That's the way the world works for you, obviously. Again I must explain. Avoiding becoming a twittererer means, avoiding being too brief. Limiting a reply to 140 characters makes it impossible to have a meaningful discussion. Twittererers are clearly air-heads. They, like you really can't put 2 coherent thought together without turning a twitter in to a squark! You'll never learn to talk proper on 140 or less. You should just give up, boring person=insult.
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
@listen2meokidoki "Garbage in garbage out."
As this conversation started with your garbage going in, that's not a very nice thing to say about yourself. :)
"Again I must explain."
You mean explain for the first time. :)
This isn't a conversation, this is me accusing you of being schizo. And obviously narcissistic, always passing on faults to others. You have me "all figured out" based on YouTube comments. Well, if I'm so boring, why waste time with me? Because you're trapped!
hgryphon 1 month ago
I honestly can go days without thinking about the big bang, its either true or not, as I am not a quantum physicist or whoever thinks about these things its way out of my pay grade, still does not mean that god done it.
angrywhenroused 1 month ago 2
Dang, and he was so close - it's 42.
Take care
akylae101 1 month ago
all hail the super-intelligent shade of blue!
molokozor 1 month ago
@molokozor An episode of The Outer Limits once had a talking visitor from a 2 dimensional Universe. But it was in Black & White. Maybe that Being, that dot of light (which must have cost a lot of special FX (Effects) dollars),was a BLUE dot. Maybe even a messenger from god! Or maybe that is how we can speak to god. Via a 2 dimensional projection! Is that what they mean by telephone to glory? Oh what joy devine! I can hear the current on the line! Halleluja!
listen2meokidoki 1 month ago
Great video, I love the visual of a disembodied head outside of space and time creating the Universe almost like a B plot old fashioned sci fi movie. I would love to see you take on this fool.
TrillianAlice 1 month ago
The only thing which is inevitable to picture or non substractable is the 3 dimentional space. Craig said god existed before space but that's impossible. Even if existed in space but before time, oputside of time., in the eternity it would be assumptios to say the inevitable 3d space would be an atribute of this unsubstatiated personal "being". I find no reason to believe there is time. There is only an eternal, infinite inevitable blank, energy and operation from it's characters.
SaerdnaOoOoo 1 month ago
I soooo loathe this argument. It makes me want to facepalm other people.
How on Earth do creationists equate a nearly 'INFINITELY DENSE POINT' with 'NOTHING'? Gah!
It's a pure leap of faith to assume something preceded it.
It's another leap of faith to assume that 'thing' was a being.
Yet another leap of faith to assume that that being is your personal god. (Without evidence)
I'm not sure whether Craig is stupid yet well spoken, or devious. Probably the latter. Maybe both.
L00NGB00W 1 month ago
I thought doctor who created the universe. I believe in the all-mighty police booth!
osaka35 1 month ago
Claire ( I know it not your real name but alas ) you outdid yourself on this one....you chose such great clips....I have to clean my monitor from the Diet Dr. Pepper I spit up. Thanks as always for your videos!
FreeThinkingCrusader 1 month ago
Time is a property of the universe that can not be separated from space. There is no reason to assume that anything can exist outside of spacetime, except maybe on the quantum/singularity level. Since the apparent linearity of time applies only to things within spacetime, spacetime itself does not require a cause that is a temporal precondition to spacetime's existence. Therefore, WLC's "the universe has a cause", as he defines it in his argumentation, is invalid.
blackwolf1200 1 month ago
I quite like this current WLC drama, normally fundies get run off youtube purely from their own stupidity. WLC is being run off youtube and he isn't even on it *coughs.....
TheSpankymonkey 1 month ago
Start video->see Claire->pause video->get a beer->push play
blackwolf1200 1 month ago
Hooloovoo! and God dissapeared in a poof of logic!
litemup67 1 month ago 2
Shade of the color blue.......ALL HAIL THE COLOR BLUE!
alias100 1 month ago
Claire, sorry but how do I PWN the living shit out of this idot. not done this type of thing before.
MrJackomick 1 month ago
WLC is mostly harmless.
DoctorPlausible 1 month ago
As if it wouldn't be the color red...I'LL KILL YOU BLUEISTS!
qtzlctl2012 1 month ago
William Lane Craig - he puts the ass in assertions without evidence.
1empathy 1 month ago
I love how everything in nature tends to cycle and he doesn't see how that can apply to the big bang. XD Is like look up the multiverse. ;-)
MistressArte 1 month ago
Fucks sake had my coffee ready and everything for this one..............
jock150 1 month ago
Is blue the colour of the trousers of time?
COEXISTential 1 month ago
I wish I had more time. After his dismissive comments about Hume I want to pwnage of WLC using only Hume's words. One day, perhaps.
mrgodbehere 1 month ago
I love the way WLC is not embarrased that he thinks his "Causeless Being" created the Universe out of literally nothing and yet accuses atheists (incorrectly) of saying the same thing.
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
What would the Latin be?
Creatio Ex Annulus?
Just sayin'.
Willy seems to pull a lot of his rhetoric out of his ass.
DeathofSpeech 1 month ago
@DeathofSpeech ex Nihilo?
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1
facepalm... I hate having to explain a joke... WLC carries on about Creatio Ex Nihilo, and then pulls conjecture out of his ass. Ex Annulus (or something... not exactly sure what the Latin would be for the context)
DeathofSpeech 1 month ago
I really want to throttle WLC - in the style of Homer Simpson. "Why, you little . . . .!"
tenneral 1 month ago
...Shoots!...Scores!...
toppledgod 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1 You will find cringe and video-response-worthy in this lecture (and a lot of the same drivel you addressed in this video): youtu . be / fP9CwDTRoOE
ZergAteu 1 month ago
Billy Lame Craig. Doctor of Bullshitology. He's just the type I'd get physically ill trying to debate. I wouldn't be able to listen to him at all and get up and totally ignore all his points. hahha
TruthSurge 1 month ago
@TruthSurge Try listening to this without screaming at the screen. I dare you! youtu. be / fP9CwDTRoOE
ZergAteu 1 month ago
@ZergAteu I threw up when the announcer said it was a delight to be joined by WLC. Took me half an hour to clean up my keyboard.
TruthSurge 1 month ago
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RRoocckkyy50 1 month ago
Hooloovoos FTW!
SlideRulePirate 1 month ago
"superintelligent shade of the colour blue" I guess his response would be that blue is a perceived property by an observer of a certain spectrum of light that requires spacetime to travel in, but that the epithet "superintelligent" is spot on. ;)
Then again, we've never seen a mind not requiring a brain or spacetime to operate in either. I'd say both are pretty shitty explanations. :P
wimsweden 1 month ago
Spot on, Claire. Blue bless you!
unixhead101 1 month ago
Excellent!!!...;)
julzabro 1 month ago
Some negatives can be proved. Victor Stenger repeatedly made the argument that, while the »existence« of deist gods is neither falsifiable nor verifiable, in the case of the supposedly intervening judeo-christian deity, evidence that should be there isn't (archaeology, history, absence of miracles); and even worse, there's contradicting evidence (prayer studies, existence of »evil«).
See Stenger's posts at Huffington post: »Absence of Evidence Is Evidence of Absence« (2010-08-14).
virumoz 1 month ago
Personally I think It was a hyper-intelligent shade of the Color Green. :P
SecularMentat 1 month ago
eeeexcellent video Wildwood!
Paxmax 1 month ago
I hate to use the word 'hate' but I HATE this guy!
dondude69 1 month ago
WLC "this has been fertile ground for speculations...it can be filled with all sorts of fantasies" YES Craig! ...why didn't you recognise your OWN fantasy which you stuffed the gap with?! I'm guessing your "dr" title was blocking the view.
Paxmax 1 month ago
When people start talking about an All-Powerful, Disembodied Mind, I start thinking of It from "A Wrinkle in Time". Probably not what they intended.
flodnak 1 month ago
Prepare for the Streisand effect.
You know this dork will see this total pwnage and snivel and/or DMCA this. (Because of the pwnage!)
dondude69 1 month ago
Much love for the Hitchikers Guide reference and the pwnage. Yours is one of the wonderful minds that give me hope for humanity :)
BETAmosquito 1 month ago
lol I have just been arguing this point lately. Someone accused scientists of trying to disprove god. I told them scientists don't try to disprove god, scientists simply strive to understand the world we live in by gaining knowledge, disproving god is simply a side effect of that knowledge.
shananagans5 1 month ago
Well Craig gave us the metaphor without giving as the actual story. When i say, information is processed in a serial manner(first in, last out), just like the way you wash a stack of plates, i just gave the fact(verifiable actual information) and a metaphor to help you imagine or understand. The disembodied mind is a fine metaphor but what is the actual process here? I can't say, "this car was built like molecules attracting each other". Having just the metaphor its useless information.
micdhack 1 month ago
@micdhack I agree. He just says things that sound good to his followers with self-inflicted ignorance. It doesn't has to be logical or factually based so long as it makes people feel good. That's why he's a sophist and hardly worth our time, except of course it's always fun to show moronic his claims are when so many Christians think he's the greatest man alive. Showing how bad his arguments are shows how gullible his followers are.
Thayer79 1 month ago
I'm afraid that WLC's arguments barely reach the level of school boy debating. Anyone with a modicum of logical thought can drive a bus through his nonsense.
pilgrimpater 1 month ago
so thats the proof that there is a god, eh willy baby? sorry, but i cannot believe that W L C really believes the shite that he spouts. i think he's in the benny hinn camp of exploiting the gormless.
fourbabies1 1 month ago
AND a Douglas Adams fan too!!! I rather liked God's Last Message to creation, written in 20 mile high letters of flaming rock on the most remote planet in the universe... "WE APOLOGISE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE CAUSED."
Classic.
USERNAMEfieldempty 1 month ago
If they want to say that their god creates the universe from "his" "energy," then I think an easy to eliminate the anthropomorphized god and just say that is was energy that caused the universe.
Thayer79 1 month ago
A "disembodied mind"? Um, you can't have a mind without a brain.
rrward 1 month ago
@rrward
Well God being brainless* pretty much explains his/their erratic attitude in all 3 Abrahamic religions as shown in their scriptures, doesn't it.
* - using another meaning of the same word, a trick so much loved by Theists, I just couldn't resist the temptation
SwineNahNah 1 month ago
The thing that cracks me up about this crackpot is that when discussing his god's omnipotence he says that god cannot do what is logically impossible like making a square circle, but at the same time, he will talk about how creating something from nothing is logically impossible and yet his god can do that. Some have said that god creates the universe from "himself," while also saying that their god is outside space and time and is completely immaterial. (Cont.)
Thayer79 1 month ago
He's so full of it
CMO999 1 month ago
The likes of WLC are double thinkers par excellence. On one hand they believe the Bible to literally true. On the other, their god created the universe according to modern cosmological theory.
LsBaba 1 month ago
@LsBaba In Craig's defence, he doesn't believe the Bible is literally true... this gives him much more scope for his esoteric phantasising;)
COEXISTential 1 month ago
Gotta love theists. They bang on endlessly about "Faith", but in reality they are so desperate for evidence that they'll jump an any old bandwagon that comes their way - even if it's a bandwagon with only one wheel, and that a square one. Sorry Billy Boy, this 'ere bandwagon just ain't gonna roll.
Gryffster 1 month ago
Craig is absolute PROOF for the nonexistence of any God... If there was a God, he wouldn’t need someone like Craig to explain away all of his errors, inconsistencies and contradictions….
apeek7 1 month ago
@apeek7 It is interesting that we need to debate the existence of god. The fact that creationists or Christian philosophers have to make people accept that there might be a possibility for a god is a huge weakness to their arguments.
milsvaard 1 month ago
@milsvaard A further weakness is that any "proof" would apply equally to any of 30,000 or so gods. There is no direct path to the Christian (or any other) god.
apeek7 1 month ago
No, Claire, you're completely wrong. A sentient, disembodied shade of the color blue? How blasphemous! Everybody knows that the universe was created by Todd, the inept plastic surgeon from the TV show "Scrubs." Now, prove me wrong!
Odashiman 1 month ago
1:31 "This being must be an uncaused, timeless, spaceless, immaterial being of unfathomable power." And that's exactly how you define "God" out of existence.
CompleteRationality 1 month ago
It was Gary, the invisible pink unicorn that created the universe. If you persist in your disagreement we'll have to start a war.
ArcaneAardvark 1 month ago
William, William , William. Your professional philosophy is getting really old.
ozmoroid 1 month ago
@ozmoroid Yeah, Craig's willy-waving about being a 'professional' philosopher is hilarious given the actual quality of his arguments. Some philosopher's being 'trained' makes them as fallible and out of the loop as the Introspectionist school of psychology... and for the same reason: being trained how to think in general terms seems to equate to being trained how to think specifically, methodologically. There's no personally-derived synthesis going on, at all.
COEXISTential 1 month ago
It was the Great Green Arkleseizure! Fear the comming of the great white Handkerchief!
TheBoyFromNorfolk 1 month ago
I love how he leaps right to "it MUST be the being >I< believe in!"
SiriusMined 1 month ago
Not blue but more of a mauve. The whole assertion that 'God' is beyond time and space destroys agnosticism. Before anyone can say that whether it's possible for an omnipotent being to exist, it must first be stated... hypothesized... conjectured... as to how that being CAN possibly exist in the first place. WLC often states that 'God' is not conditioned and not created, but cannot define what the hell that means or how such a state is possible.
deepashtray 1 month ago
The color blue you say? Ok, what shade of blue? *laughs*
AthenaSchroedinger 1 month ago
@AthenaSchroedinger "The color blue you say? Ok, what shade of blue? *laughs*" ...It depends on your particular demonination of Blueism, of course. And as we all know, there's a "Dark Shade" and "Light Shade" of the Blue.
Odashiman 1 month ago
I fucking love how ironic the last clip of Craig is. I can't imagine how he can say that with a straight face!
Zachk2391 1 month ago
When TLD called him "Billy Boy" in one of his earlier videos, I remembered there's a famous brand of hygiene product sold in Germany with the same name. Enter "billy boy condoms" into google images. You may find their logo/mascot useful next time you have to deal with WLC.
KaroKoenich 1 month ago
A hooloovoo!
MrFungus420 1 month ago
I forgot about the super intelligent shade of blue, it explains soooo much!!!
Sounds like something Douglas Adams wrote, yes?
TheWingnuterer 1 month ago
@TheWingnuterer It is.
Muljinn 1 month ago
@TheWingnuterer yes
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
Ahhhh, so many viewers catching the HHGTTG reference, Douglas would be proud!
Skraeling1000 1 month ago
Let me guess, a super intelligent shade of Carolina Blue???
Moontanman 1 month ago
@Moontanman certainly
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1 My youngest son graduated from Carolina, the oldest is going there now, you can't beat the blue....
Moontanman 1 month ago
I think the great earwig will be displeased with your blue hypothesis. Repent now!
glifencible 1 month ago
Zing!
whistlingdust 1 month ago
wow,so if i don't understand something,I can just make a bunch of shit up that amuses me? ok let me try this real quick. Quantum Physics is confusing as shit,so my penis must be nearly a foot long,and I have a million dollars. we'll find out if that works when the girls start calling
ViralMessiah 1 month ago
Claire I can't understand why you haven't been DMCA'd for using far too much "AWESOMENESS" content in your videos. :D
123backinyerface 1 month ago
Why does an immaterial being outside of time and space need a collection plate?
xdassinx 1 month ago
@xdassinx and why the need for so much external validation?
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1 Hmmm let's see. Greedy and needs excessive external validation.... If I didn't know better I'd swear I dated God back in the 80's.
xdassinx 1 month ago
Love your written insert at the end!
BobbieJamesTuOl 1 month ago
@BobbieJamesTuOl You've been spotted! lol
TheCurmudgen 1 month ago
@TheCurmudgen Surprised me!
BobbieJamesTuOl 1 month ago
@BobbieJamesTuOl I'm just lurking around in the shadows. Don't mind me. :p
TheCurmudgen 1 month ago
Superintellegent shade of the color blue? Nonsense. Just as the man said, the creator has to be an abstract object, like numbers. Therefore the creator was 42.
snitcheyes411 1 month ago
@snitcheyes411 That solves my questions concerning life, the universe and everything.
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
The Universe is brought to you by the number 3 and the letter Fail. Defending God through the DMCA is proof that a personal God doesn't exist or at least doesn't care about YouTube.
happyjesus123 1 month ago
@1:54, WLC "an abstract object like numbers"
Not realizing that these abstract objects are used to hold up buildings...what a simpleton..
complexadaptive 1 month ago
Super Intelligent Blues... a whole guitar collection of universes which also explains "string theory". You heard it here first. My flashback should be over soon.
PaulKJHarris 1 month ago
Cause of the universe? It was a quantum vacuum fluctuation, and it wasn't very smart at all.
zarkoff45 1 month ago
WLC simple cause and effect... linear and of limited use, our understanding of the natural world reveals rich and complex feedback systems where simple cause and effect concepts fail miserably. So your outerworldly old bearded fart just fell flat on his vaporous ass.
complexadaptive 1 month ago
My hypothesis is that heaven is shaped like a cone, extending infinitely from its apex. Heaven's apex contacts the Earth's surface at one point -- Chapel Hill. Thus, Chapel Hill is the Southern Part of Heaven.
aikimark1955 1 month ago
My cosmology hypothesis is that the singularity imploded and what is called expansion is really the FTL collapse of the event horizon. What we see as variations on the expansion are the interplay between the ejection and the singularity's diminishing gravity.
aikimark1955 1 month ago
does this guy have a very big christian audience??
jjcrazi 1 month ago
@jjcrazi huge
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
oh Clare, I really love your satire sometimes, please keep it up! =D
Irishkeyblade 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1 Can you please provide links to the video sources in the description box.
mrog70 1 month ago
@mrog70 I have placed the links you've requested in the description bar.
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
When should we tell William Lane Craig that philosophy has evolved a great deal since Aquinas? There's a reason why Atheism jumped out of history's "refutation" bin and become not only a viable position, but the one that is most likely correct.
jaymthegenius 1 month ago
Even if there were a god where would he get the information required to create the universe? Why would he be a "he" billions (no, that isn't hyperbole) of years before any living organism had a need for gender, which in turn evolved to pass down increasingly complex genetic information? If there is a god who knows everything then there's no free will since he would create people knowing ahead of time that they'll go to Hell.
jaymthegenius 1 month ago
Ha my favorite Crackpot WLC.
Even the Pope passes of "Science proves Genesis line" when Lemaitre told him not to use that was science.
JerezJulio 1 month ago
I don't think he meant that the singularity is nothing.
ThePuppyTurtle 1 month ago
@ThePuppyTurtle so, what did he mean? And why such a sophomoric attempt to avoid the infinite regress problem as claiming a disembodied mind outside of time and space? And, a disembodied mind, really?!
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1 Best Guess, That the singularity came from nothing then Instantly expanded. Whatever, I'm more of a fan of the Tomistic Cosmological argument anyway. Though you have to make certain metaphysical assumptions (that were taken for granted at the time he made them but are questioned now) to make it work. In general, I'll just say that i'm reading WLC's book and expect to see a defense in the "The Existence of God (1)" Section.
ThePuppyTurtle 1 month ago
Q: How do you know that WLC is saying nonsensical bullshit?
A: He is standing on stage and talking about topics related to naturalists and/or science.
futureorreligion 1 month ago
@futureorreligion I watched the entire debate with Hitchens (that's where most of the clips came from) and I arrived at the conclusion WLC was spewing crapulence. Perhaps my greatest problem with WLC is that he invokes natural explanations when convenient but than claims miraculous whims by a creator being when that suits his purpose.
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
I have just enough of that intellectually dishonest conman. I was banned from drgraigvieos because I called out his bullshit.
petion2010 1 month ago
@petion2010 Wanna get banned from another site? Try the YouTube channel PPSimmons. Even disagreeing nicely will get you blocked. It's fairly clear that these Christian channels know that they cannot justify their beliefs and so the best way to maintain their delusion is to eradicate all dissenting thoughts.
1140Cecile 1 month ago
@1140Cecile We affectionately call that channel the PissPants channel.
WildwoodClaire1 1 month ago
@WildwoodClaire1 Actually yeah, the Bekenstein bound entails that before the Big Bang there was nothing, at least nothing with physical units attached to it.
JohananRaatz 1 month ago
@1140Cecile Eradicating all dissenting beliefs is nothing new for Christians. They're just following in the footsteps of their forefathers. Christianity didn't exactly spread through Europe and eliminating competing pagan religions through dialogues. Today, Christians wanna offer this nice version of their faith based on love and whatever, but, let's not forget how they behaved when they had absolute power.
petion2010 1 month ago
@petion2010 Me too. Quite proud of that. I've since been banned by VenomFangX, too :D But not before I had the highest rated comment on his latest effort for a bit :D
COEXISTential 1 month ago