Dmitry Orlov: Peak Oil Lessons From The Soviet Union

[leonardphill25]

This is one "blushing" video. =p

[kervennic]

I think there is a chance that Orlov is pessimist about the number of people that can survive at least in a frst time. Especially those who gets knowledge about survival and craft skills right now.

The agro industry is not the most intensive way of producing food but the more profitable because it saves labor. Small farming is able to sustain more and the agro system mainly produces waste and pollution. Besides wild resource are badly exploited, as industrial fishing shows it (waste + damage).

[gordoncraig410]

Your video is a favorite on Massachusetts

[Stairmaster9068]

we're fucked

[HisEmptyHouse]

It may take a collapse before people are able to totally restructure the system from the ground up. The corruption in our current system is too endemic.

[MrWoobagooba]

and no amount of flagwaving, military interventionism, opening fortune cookies (while restaurants stay open), or other forms of wishful thinking/denial can prevent the US from deindustrializing. Solar and other "green" technology, while a noble ideal, will not step in and save you. Even if they had a clue as to how to replace fossil fuels, it would take decades to be up and running, Dmitry encourages us to be more patient and share responsibilities. Heed his advice or else suffer the consequence

[MrWoobagooba]

Dmitry has no agenda, his family escaped persecution in the former USSR and so he has no reason to stick up for the former USSR. If anyone bothers to read or hear what he is saying with an open mind, they woukld be grateful. We are an oil driven economy. Dmitry is an engineer and a leading peak oil expert. Figures don't lie (peak oil), but liars do figure (spokesassholes from the oil industry as well as politicians and the media). There will NOT always be more oil, technology will not save us

[MrWoobagooba]

Downer? Yes, but nevertheless, true. It boils down to whether you value knowing the truth vs staying in a litter box of denial and making yourself feel good inside. If you can grasp your ears firmly and pull your head out of your ass, you just may be able to drop your denial and other defense mechanisms and see that this man is telling you the stark, naked truth. The Russians crushed the Nazis. They are used to hardship. We are spoiled and not at all prepared for fossil fuel depletion

[MEpianist]

Ummm downer!

[123BDG123]

And doing so rather unproductively. Many Americans are much more self-reliant than any Soviet. Those living in rural America produce their own food and rely on bartering for much of their economic success. There is a massive underground economy in the US that Orlov obviously knows nothing about. If the US dollar went to near zero, similar to what happened in Iceland, we still have economic means of production to survive. It would just be a karmic event for those who are rich "on paper"

[123BDG123]

I appreciate Orlov's candidness and the crap is going to hit the fan but much of what he says is nonsense. He talks in abstractions without quantifying his claims. That is what soothsayers do. Quantify how Soviets were more prepared than Americans? We have a reasonably productive society. They did not. If if money would disappear, we could easily restart our productive assets. They couldn't. Soviets were captives to and often completely reliant on the state. He seems to be lifting Amalrik's work

[ulaghchi]

It's Peak Shit! So long America.

[olrailbird]

Peak oil is nothing. This is Peak Debt.

[oldickeastman]

Peak Oil is a cover for Monopoly control of oil. The oil companies generate their own survey data and they control what surveys are made -- more cooked science to deceive the people. Similar to global warming or "saving the environment" in order to gain international control of business and protect Rothschild owned corporations from protection by common man upstarts. See this intro p_wv4NTNrxU and follow links. Orlov's very accent indicates strong ties to US establishment clique.

[mcfatty8812]

Dmitry...what this? no Russian accent? guess u moved to US when u were young haha...

[deeeEeEEEeEee33eem]

No accent?

[davewatcher]

Cheer up, it might not happen.

[TBonePickensetc]

Check out the Technocracy technate ideas of an energy accounting science design society. Google Technocracy technate or the social networking site ... Technocracy revolution on FACEBOOK.

There is no connection in that information to Venus Project or Zeitgeist or the other Energy Economics groups.

Biophysical economics is the subject in a non monetary system.

It is secular and humanitarian and a viable way out of this mess we are in. Thanks.

[wbradss]

Well lets see -Obama/ Jewish bankers/wetbacks/welfare nigs/Sports talking brain dead rolex wearing fools/Wiggers /mudsharks/ect,ect.ect

[nickeroon1987]

@wbradss what?

[myjizzureye]

@wbradss Lol whats a mudshark :p



[creedstat]

great video....

[1x93cm]

horses!

[plojka1]

Some sense with what he says but some nonsense too.

[Greltam]

Awww. All this time i was reading Passages by Dimitry in a very thick Russian accent..

[Waterflux]

I thought 12:50 was a very interesting point, in regards to secession from the Union. I have been thinking about the secession scenario for a while. Decentralization may be an attractive option in case of the collapse scenario, since the D.C. has already shown that it is either unwilling or incapable of dealing with real socio-politico-economic issues of our day. Not to mention that political collapse invalidates 'patriotic' and 'American' values as means to form shared national values.

[deliberatus]

Start planting herbs in pots now, and learn how to grow them- herbs, ie SPICES, sell (not for dollars) for more than mere food will. Remember, in the East and West indies, much war was waged over SPICES. Get a solar panel, a deep cycle battery, and a CB- forget the cellphone. Solar cells can charge the battery.

[HorseCents]

This socialist doesn't know the RealTruth(tm) about the world God made for us.

Oil is not finite! There is at least 200 years of oil beneath Gull Island in Alaska. Possibly thousands of years if certain equations hold up.

See my videos for a full explanation.

[StuPedassle711]

I used to believe this. Now I see that this guy doesn't really know what he's talking about.

[mphello]

.. due to depleted oil, then so will China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India - ALL places on earth, except a few that have made the transition so far (Cuba, Iceland) will vanish "from the world stage", as Orlov is so damned fond of saying.

REALLY hate this "USA only" will collapse crap.

[mphello]

One major criticism of Orlov: he's does nothing but spout possible scenarios without assigning any timelime, date, or probability to them. Yes, we need a major adjustment in our lifestyles (and mandatory birth control, which he FAILS to mention) to deal with peak oil and climate change. But throwing in the: "oh, after global warming, we could have a mini ice age". Yeah - and an asteroid could hit earth. Or aliens will take over. Also, his anti-USA rhetoric is annoying.

If the USA disappears..

[jmintube]

@mphello If the USA disappears, the world could finally change for the better.

[AceObrin]

@jmintube I think that really depends on how it disappears. If it dissolves and leaves remnants of extant factions or interest groups, it could become an anarchic free-for-all. If it's outmoded or made redundant through usurpation via ideas and values which offer equitable economic and scientific/technological progress, then we will have a nucleus for something more stable and sustainable. I think the most likely scenario is a combination of the two, thank lawd fo' dem interwebs.

[mphello]

Most of Orlov is correct, except when he goes into his bullshit unprovable psychological theories about people. We need fewer people. We need mandatory birth control: mandate vasectomies for men. And outlaw meat. I've lobbied for both since 1980. Those are PRACTICAL things we could do.

However, slowing down: bullshit: life is short. People have suffered 100,000 years of nothing happening - mindless drudgery - for their entire lives, and then their short life is over.

[mirabilo]

The end is nigh but not that nigh. Should the monetary system in the US collapse it won't be the end of the world. Soon enough the Americans will sort things out and get back on their feet. Americans are fat-arsed, brainless, self absorbed twats but I'm sure they'll eventually figure it out.

But having said that, definitely some very interesting comparisons and differences pointed out by the speaker.

[jahjeremy]

@MrGtsmoker You're a moron. There isn't 50 years of oil left at current consumption rates, much less 1000.

[MrGtsmoker]

Well I'm glad we have that xtra millennium of oil that the environmentalist won't let us touch cuz when the sh i t hits the fan they will be the first casualties.

[dqgates]

@MrGtsmoker yes, since environmentalists are in control of the world energy system ??? millenium of oil??? i really hope youre only a troll, not a real thinking human

[butchman1]

Fantastic! Insightful!

[tekfunk]

What happens to debt when a currency is no longer useful?

Another question: what happens to prison systems (and their residents)?

[wilatemodel]

@tekfunk the inhabitants of prisons will be some of the first to go,...avoid jail at ALL COSTS,..being in jail will take away your only key to survival. MOBILITY!!

[mphello]

@wilatemodel I wonder if the gov't will release all the prisoners when oil-economy crash. They'll be forced to.

I hope so.

[wilatemodel]

@mphello ya,..they will release them alright....but not in a way the prisoners will like,..ya dig mate?

[1x93cm]

@mphello the states are already doing this with non violent drug offenders- they shouldn't be in prisons to begin with but now with no job opportunities, it will be an interesting outcome

[mphello]

@1x93cm What about the violent drug offenders? One should be scientific about whether their violence hurts anyone or hurts anyone justifiably. The violent ones deserve their freedom more because they fight for it, just like any soldier does. Keeping the violent drug offenders in prison is pure politics, not science.

[1x93cm]

@mphello if the world was run based on survival of the fittest - we would not be in economic collapse nor would we have reached peak oil

there is something to be said for darwinism

but it'll be even more interesting seeing how this all plays out assuming I live long enough to see it which is an iffy bet that even I wouldn't place

[mphello]

@1x93cm Exactly. The models Darwin created were fantastic, and we have built upon them since, including now genetics and game theory. We now include delay-models. So, a fit species can do whatever it needs to at the moment to survive better than those around it, but it can be colossally stupid if it refuses to change its behavior and to forego instant convenience at the present to reduce impact in the future: e.g. classic case now: anthropogenic global warming (AGW).

[dinamo4889]

I am dropping out of grad school because there is no work for teachers. Unions are being crushed by republicans and democrats alike. Just like Dimitry I am Russian and very pragmatic which explains why I don't see any reason to continue my education. Why get a masters degree if I can't get a job in that field. Colleges have become the new ponzi schemes. One can not file bankruptcy due to college loans.

[biohax]

@dinamo4889 yea but there's something called student loan forgiveness...one reason why i'm paying an asinine rate 'cuz all you flunky mother fuckers

[dinamo4889]

@biohax I risked my life in Iraq to get a free education and you are complaining about interest rates. I was a slave for four years and you are an Indentured servant now. Apparently the return on your investment is not paying off that well perhaps you should of attended a State School or a community college. Student loan forgiveness for teachers is no longer available in my state because we are about to lay off 20,000 teachers.

[selvmordspilot]

Interesting analogy between the 5 stages of collapse, and the 5 stages of death.

[ljrow49]

I am in agreement on much of this except "PEAK OIL" is a lie. There is plenty of oil in the US, Canada and Alaska. Old oil wells are filling back up. Oil is not Dinosaurs A study published in Science Magazine presents new evidence supporting the abiotic theory for the origin of oil, which asserts oil is a natural product the Earth generates constantly rather than a "fossil fuel" derived from decaying ancient forests and dead dinosaurs.

[hurin11000]

@ljrow49 Really? Can you tell us the location of some of these depleted wells that are filling up?

[ljrow49]

@hurin11000 The last one I checked was in Tennessee around New River. The wells in this area are known 2 be low IP (initial pressure) and produce less than 10 barrels a day but produce much longer than higher IP wells but the grade is extremely high (low sulphuric content) clear golden. The pump jack not in motion but the tank battery ( holding tank) was half full. in a 10 mile radius as gas well thought to be dormant exploded a few years ago a was an inferno for a wk before they recapped it

[hurin11000]

@ljrow49 And that is proof of abiotic oil how exactly? Although I suspect the real reason you believe in abiotic oil, is you think the earth was created 60000 years ago.

[PM3520]

@ljrow49 Abiotic? Show your evidence for this.

[b1akjak]

I'm gonna get a cattle dog, & a black 351 XB Ford Falcon GT coup with some gas tanks hanging out the back window & a big filthy (fake) blower sticking out of the bonnet so then I can go chill out with Mad Max...who's with me ;)

[lordkoos]

A great and sobering presentation, thank you.  A lot more people need to watch this.

[progressfreight]

@lordkoos The masses has not woken up yet, they are to busy watching new music videos and sports games. I am also Russian and I have lived in Russia during collapse it's not a pretty thing. For the majority of the people it has not even occurred yet that this collapse is upon us. I would move back to Russia in a heartbeat but I have hard time convincing my parents to move back and I will not leave them here alone.

[AMVayanefan]

This is an awesome reality check.

[Catherinearmant]

Dmitry Orlov has awareness and speaks truth.

[Warsie]

Ths was written too right?

[Ashenrei1]

Total Doomer. I see him as the opposite to the total cornucopians. Now we know where the extremes are.

[Ratboy2004]

Pay attention to the small details he talks about. Think about it.

Resource Based Economy is no solution. Simple balance and planning for tomorrow is really the only way. Any system will lead to greed and control.

But today, in our culture (Western), we are spoiled. Can anyone imagine waiting in line for bread and water then going back to your tent? Think about it...

[vlada881]

He is right. There are many things we should forget and start moving forward with new reality. Be realistic and shut a f.... up :)

[vlada881]

He is right. There are many things we should forget and start moving forward with new reality. Be realistic and shut a f.... up :)

[Pertemba40]

Resource Based Economy is a long term solution. Watch the latest: "Zeitgeist Moving Forward"

[Yamakashi1]

or russian.

[Yamakashi1]

orlov? are you bulgarian?

[danfromabove]

Become a producer not a consumer, learn permaculture design, buy a bike and learn to fix it, keep bees, retrofit your home for efficiency, water capture and grey water recycling, build a compost toilet, get to know your neighbours, smash your tv and buy some good books, get out of the city if you can, protest the bankster economy with direct action, keep 3months+ food storage, dump your debt and get some cash in hand, reject infinite growth ideologies. We can do this!

[Democritus477]

@danfromabove Wouldn't it be easier to live a low-energy lifestyle in the city, as you can get anywhere you need to without a car?

[lordkoos]

@Democritus477

Yeah you can get anywhere you need to go in the city, like to the store that will have no food on the shelves.

[4everhdt]

@danfromabove dont forget ammo and guns

[deliberatus]

@danfromabove Service the interest on the debt until they fall down go boom, then ignore them. If there is a cesspool on th eproperty, be ready to dig to it to hook it back up. Put a well AS FAR AS POSSIBLE FROM IT and make sure it is a force pump- that is, it can raise water, then force it down the pipe to a storage tank higher than the toilet and sink and bath tub. 

[BenkaiDebussy]

@danfromabove If everyone did what you're saying, most of the human race would starve. Non-industrial farming cannot feed most of the world. Everyone living in small communities would also be terrible - isolation breeds ignorance.

[kingofthebrittains]

@BenkaiDebussy Sorry, but your information is incorrect. Organic farm yields are as high or higher than Chemical farming & sustainable in the long run. Those chemicals & the machinery needed rely 100% on toxic petroleum that WILL run out, but organic matter is constantly regenerated by Nature. Look into Permaculture & you'll see what I mean. The "Green Revolution" has failed, causes WAY more problems than it solves & has to be subsidized to continue. Read Culturequake by Chuck Burr. Cheers!

[Moonshield23]

he hits the nail on the head

[RoberTastic]

great vid

[nancy69ification]

Second that - great to put a face...and voice to your always convincing and often funny blog posts. Hope your warning is heeded.

[neotoy]

I know it shouldn't matter, but nice to finally have a face to go with your phenomenal blog posts.

[jaxjazz]

Great video.

Thank you, Mr. Orlov.

People, please watch and listen with an open mind, don't dismiss it just because you think our "Titanic" is unsinkable.Take care of yourself and your families.

It's going to be a bumpy ride I am afraid.

Good luck to all of you.

[1977Melville]

@jaxjazz. Buying a book on beginner's Krav Maga and survivalism (It's a Disaster).