as for the ref. in 1 peter 3:1 all it mentions is that wives should be respectful and obiedient. this in no way suggests that women should generally be submissive to men and in no way whatsoever suggests that they should not ever have authority over men.The only submission is in reference to their husbands as head of the household but as I mentioned in a previous post women did have authority in the household and this was ballanced with the male having the last word when no consencuse be reached
as for the reference in timothy - if you are going to maintain that women can not teach or have authority and you use this text to prove your case then you must also say that women are only saved through child bearing?! I am sure you would not say that this is the case and the whole issue about deception and being saved is refering to the garden of eden where god said that the women would be saved through childbearing 'her child will crush your head, and you shall bruise his heel'
most chruches were in homes and women being the master of the home in respect as to the running of an efficiant house hold and the man haveing the authority out side of the house in matters of buisiness and the like. both haveing authoriy in different sections of society. verce 34 would apply to teaching outside of the household, (this is cultural and not for practice today)
there is an arguement to be made for the man to be head of the household. (the final word when agreement can not be reached on an action of plan of action) a leader for the family both in spiritual and non spiritual matters. However, this does not follow into any other sphere. in a chuch setting there is a hiearchy of authority already in place that is responcable for the church at large. meaning that women have every right to hold those positions. period. apostolic succession does not exist.
There is a difference between "prophesying" and "teaching". Women are forbidden to "teach" men in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-12). This is God's will from the Created Order. Women indeed prophesied (1Cor. 11:5), just as Joel 2:28 said they would--and that was to herald the coming of the Kingdom with "signs and wonders" However, divine revelation (prophesying) has ended (1Cor. 13:8ff;Heb 1:1-4). The prophesying remaining today is akin to reading scripture or singing.
@SuperGolfing1 This DVD set goes through all of these verses and more in a thorough way. Youtube comments are not set up to provide extensive answers. I suggest that you get a copy of the DVDs and see for yourself.
@SuperGolfing1 Thanks for posting brother. Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit Paul writes several passages explaining this issue and unfortunately women continue to rebel against this teaching, doing their best to explain it away. We have to continue to pray for these women who are caught up in worldly motives. God bless you all
@mrcooper32 Never heard of a priestress, stop adding to the bible! (I'm kidding:o) The Lord Jesus called me has an Evangelist...feel free to check out my channel with my vids, I do open-air street preaching...God bless.
"Go into all the world and PREACH the gospel to every creature..."
Que Bono? Latin meaning: Who Benefits? Who benefits from the female half of the Body of Christ being precluded from preaching the Gospel? Yahweh God, or Satan?
Thanks. inhistime2007. I just want people to really seek God & not mans doctrine. Time is so very short. We must all seek and save the lost.
If we preclude anyone from preaching & teaching the Gospel that is one less person winning souls for the Lord Jesus Christ with the very Word of God.
Perhaps if every believer was handed two things when they got born again, the Bible & Foxes Book of Martyrs we could settle this non-sense once & for all. Men & Women were slain for preaching the Gospel.
Why do usurping WOMEN allway believe that God talks to them personally/mouth to mouth like Gods faithful servant MOSES???
On one hand you say" we shouldnt listen to man"(ONLY when you disagree of course) but on the other hand you list a Book(Foxes/Martyrs) which is not Biblical and written by men??
Men and women are equal in value, but God has given men and women specific roles in the Body of Christ......
@sheriffquick Where does the bible give both genders separate roles? I don't mean to be disrespectful but I see no evidence for separate roles. Even if we see women's roles as being limited, there are no passages that limit a man's role. He is not obligated to assume a role in the public sphere, or one of leadership. Its true that those who are blessed with teaching ability should exercise their gift, but many women seem to possess this gift as well.
@phoenixheffa Thanks.....The Bible consist of Holy Scripture, Proverbs,Poetry,The Gospels and Epistles..........The Epistles were written after death. There were written to instruct the Gentiles.1 Timothy gives instructions(ROLES IN THE CHURCH) on Roles for men, women, leadership,widow, women, Pulpit,etc.........
@sheriffquick 1 Timothy is pretty extensive as far as church order is concerned, which is actually quite remarkable considering that Paul doesn't seem to go into such detail in other books... although, it is a personal/instructional letter to Timothy, so the detail makes sense. It seems to me that Paul gives men the option of assuming leadership roles in the church, but they are not obligated bc of their gender. BTW Thank you for talking with me and not at me. :)
@yeshualovesu2: There is a difference between "prophesying" and "teaching". Women are forbidden to "teach" men in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-12). This is God's will from the Created Order. Women indeed prophesied (1Cor. 11:5), just as Joel 2:28 said they would--and that was to herald the coming of the Kingdom with "signs and wonders" However, divine revelation (prophesying) has ended (1Cor. 13:8ff;Heb 1:1-4). The prophesying remaining today is akin to reading scripture or singing.
Cyria the elect lady, was Pastor of her own church. Pricillia was a Pastor with her husband Aquilla, Pheobe labored (teaching and preaching with Paul), Junia, a woman was an Apostle. Deborah was a Prophet and a Judge. God's word says He is no respecter of persons, but men say He is a respecter of appendages? Study the Whole Counsel of God.
I can take two scriptures out of context and make a false doctrine out of them too...
As regard to comment about taking words and phrases out of the Bible and preaching them out of context is why I referenced the scriptures of Judas hanging himself and then go ye and do likewise. I was illustrating the absurd by being absurd.
I John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
(This instruction means your sisters in Christ too)
YOur eloquent and eclectic words are going to send you straight to hell.....Becare Paul warned us of this......Dont read to far into the scriptures.........
Thank Yahweh God I do not have to go through your little wicket gate to get anything from Him!
I am a believer in Yeshua and my salvation is not contingent upon whether or not I get all doctrinal issues correct concerning male and female roles in the ministry. My salvation is based on faith in Christ ALONE for redemption of my sins and nothing else!!!
Lastly, how dare you suggest anything about me in any manner. You don't know me. My remarks were based on your argument alone...not personal.
@sheriffquick True, though I don't understand why there is such an argument: faith vs. works. God expects us to try our best, but if we stumble and fall (which happens bc we are human) we are still saved.
You need to study the Word in the whole counsel of God, not fanatical, woman hating teachers.
God gave both the Man and the Woman, who were BOTH called Adam by God in Genisis, dominion. Man is not the head of the Woman. They are co-equals. You are showing your ignorance of God's Word, and His character and nature as revealed in the scriptures. Women in Christ have been redeemed from the curse of the law and NO ONE has the right to re-entangle them with the yolk of bondage.
Study Gods whole counsel...........Hillarious!!!! You dont even know who you are or what God has called Women to be???? Women ought to be sober minded, humble, meek, with a gentle with a QUIET SPIRIT, which is precious in the sight of God.
@MsCutieFruity Im pretty sure scripture says for women to be attentive, respectful and not act in ways that are disruptive. I don't see Paul as a chauvinist considering his positive remarks about Phoebe, Priscilla, and Junia.
Lastly, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself commanded Mary to Go and tell that He was risen and goes to His Father and Our Father.... this is the Gospel. John chapter 20.The men did not see Jesus until later. Jesus expressly commanded the Woman to go and tell. We are commanded to share the Gospel with everyone.
Yeshua expressly said, "that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit." If we are born of the Spirit then that service is in and of the Spirit for Spiritual things. Therefore; it is not possible that the service to the Lord in the five fold ministry gifts which are gifts to the "Body of Christ" which is born of the Spirit would then be divided and separated according to the flesh.
Another example is when the Apostle Paul expressly rebuked Peter to his face for wanting to add one thing to salvation, (which was circumcision), in order to be born again. How then can this doctrine of division in the Body of Christ be in any way according to the flesh?
What's next? Are the teachers of this division going to start measuring appendages to determine who should be the chief elder or bishop or apostle?
Why not? According to the teachers of this male only doctrine, whether or not you have an appendage is the qualifier as to who can even be in these five fold ministry gifts. They should hold true to their doctrine, grab a ruler and measure the real worth of every man, "in Christ."
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Should women usurp the authority of men, let alone teach. This verse has always bothered me. It has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with Gods Word! I believe it applies today as it did then!
1 Timothy 2:
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
@inhistime2007 Meaning we can't preach to the body of Christ- People? What are you talking about? The Lord Jesus called me has an Evangelist...feel free to check out my channel with my vids, I do open-air street preaching...God bless.
"Go into all the world and PREACH the gospel to every creature..." P.S. What are you doing to plunder hell?
It is not saying that women are not to read and spread the gospel but that women are not to teach the gospel. There is a difference in this, anybody can read or promote scripture but it is the job of the church leaders to interpret the scripture and teach the meanings behind scripture. A woman is forbidden to do this. This is what it means by a woman can not speak in church assembly. Remaining silent in church assembly is a sign of obedience to men, which is obedience to the law and to G-d.
Hmmm. yet we see PRESCILLA AND AQUILLA BOTH teaching in acts don't we? There is no such thing as a "church assembly" there is only an Assembly - every time you see the word ECCLESIA, it means ASSEMBLY, not church. If women were never to prophesy, why did Saul tell them not to prophesy with their heads uncovered? hmm. Saul was just never consistent & none of the Apostles taught this doctrine. Only Paul the self proclaimed did. Women rRnt commanded to obey men, but WIVES OBEY THEIR OWNHUSBANDS.
What is prophecy?Prophecy is giving testimony of Jesus Christ as shown in Revelations,so know than that with this we can say that they will teach about Jesus and his love as they give their own testimony.
The default language is always male but it includes both genders. Luke 9:23 And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Are only males allowed to deny themselves and follow Jesus?
inhistime2007 you have TO read more than luke for your instructions.jeremiah 23 28 GOD said let a prophet tell a dream and let HIM tell my word.Book of timothy corinthians on and on the bible teachs u that a woman cant preach.She is to teach the young girls how to be sober and a lady.Its tight but its right.If yall dont like it take it up wit GOD.HERE ME TALKIN.
I think you should read my post again. The default language is male but includes male and female. There is no verse that forbids "preaching". The entire DVD series deals with all of the hard passages of scriptures on women. All verse must be taken in their complete context. If you view the series and have questions I would be happy to answer. The comment section isn't big enough to deal with material that is already covered on the DVDs.
YET WE SEE THAT DEBORAH had a UTERUS and was not only a prophet but a JUDGE OVER ISRAEL as MYRIAM another one with a UTERUS was a prophet, HULDAH, doggonit, another UTERUS, and then there were those UTERUSES & OVARIES whom the prophet JOEL said would PROPHESY as that is what prophets DO, & those FOUR DAUGHTERS OF PHILLIP, (Acts21_8-9) who PROPHECIED.. and doggonit, I bet they all had FEMALE PARTS TOO! So you seem mysoginistic rather than concerned about the correctness of the "WORD". FROM A HER
Prophecy is speaking under divine revelation. Anybody (man, woman, jew, gentile) who is truely saved in Christ Jesus and has recieved the Holy Ghost can prophecy. A woman is permitted to speak the Gospel and give testimony (as well as to prophesy) but this is much different than being a Minister or Bishop in head of a Ministry. When meeting among church members in the prescence of males who are speaking of things of the spirit, women are to REMAIN SILENT, no woman can preach (teach) Holy Torah.
Prophesy is speaking or foretelling. So it means speaking FORTH the words of Yahweh or foretelling what Yahweh has told you to declare. Prophets of old were not giving the testimony of "Jesus Christ"..
The Prophets of old, did not give testimony to Christ Jesus? I think you are greatly mistaken. The whole point of the Old Testament prophets was to point to Jesus.
you are replying to a response that I made to someone OTHER than you, which is why your reply made no sense to me & why you didn't understand my comment. "What is prophecy?Prophecy is giving testimony of Jesus Christ as shown in Revelations,so know than that with this we can say that they will teach about Jesus and his love as they give their own testimony.--THISis the definition some1 gave of what it means to prophesy, which is NOT the definition of prophecy at all. Hence my reply to THEM
K, yes prophecy is when you are under divine revelation from G-d; this is obviously different than simply giving testimony or reading Scripture (in which case you would be simply reading prophecy given by revelation to a prophet).
I am curious to know if you are married and if you submit to your husband and if your husband loves you. I am going to speak on these topics n the future and have seen something that I did not see before which will bless men and women. A woman who is an example to us all must first show that she supports her husband and has not overcome him but helped him to be the head of the house. If women are subverting men in homes, it is a bad testimony and sign to pagans of family breakdown
headachehealer....if a man is that insecure then he needs to stay home with his ma ma.a real man knows who he is,he doesn't feel the need to opprees women just to make himself feel better. the bible has been poisened by men for so long that half the crap in their ya cant trust.women rock this earh and you better learn some respect boy.
Never saw a female preacher. But they did, teach Sunday School, play instraments,sing in the chrior.I'd rather have a Female Preacher then a gayboy leading the pack.
I can't help but wonder, like so much else, how much of the original meaning of the role of women in the church was lost through the control of the Catholic church before the reformation. May God grant that our eyes and hearts will be opened to the truth of the original intent of the inspired Scriptures.
The women who made this vid is out of order with just the way she prsents herself.According to the bible,the one she refers to..Cor,11 speaks about hair,length,Why? because her hair is her GLORY,Well she has cut off her Glory,Easy read isnt it.
Judgment - this is what happens when we take scripture out of context. God's standard for hair is clearly spelled out in the old testament with the Nazarite vow where God required both men and women to shave their hair off for the glory of God and both men and women to grow their hair for the glory of God. There is no difference.
Out of context? You're applying the Nazarite vow to the Church? Who's taking things out of context. The nazarite wore long hair a symbol of SUBMISSION. A woman should do the same. Short hair is also just plain ugly. This video is proof as to why women should not participate in public ministry. "The name of God is blasphemed...for your sakes." This is a joke.
The Nazarite vow is reason why men were not to be ashamed of growing their hair long or women were not to be ashamed of having short or shaved hair. It is a dedication to God. Nowhere is the length of one's hair said to be a sign of submission to men.
Pardon? Are you placing your cultural desires that I should have long hair on me as a woman? Do you actually think that a God who designed people to be of every colour, facial structure and manner actually cares how long your hair is? Do you not realise that Paul was discussing men and women breaking FREE from Jewish traditions that included covering of heads as a sign of shame? Believers have no condemnation anymore, we're not under the Jewish law.
Of course, doing everything right is not the most important thing, love is, otherwise we might become like the Exclusive Brethren (Taylorites). Search for Exclusive Brethren in youtube for a bbc documentary on them. The vast majority of christians that leave them are not even saved! On the other hand, it is nice to be among Christians where the smallest precepts of scripture are kept, and there is love as well.
Ok,lets LOVE from 1 John5;2 BY THIS!we know that WE Love the children of GOD. that WE keep his COMMANDMENTS!,So are you keeping them?? or Dodgeing them,or explaining them away to mean something according to what you want them to mean??
1john 5;3for this IS THE LOVE OF GOD,that we keep his commandments;AND HIS COMMANDMENTSARE NOT GRIEVOUS.,My question is this,,Why is it so hard to obey what the bible says for women??? You can read verse 4 also and see the answer to the question, overcome the world and come out of it.
Good point. When we love someone, we can say, "your wish is my command," don't the smallest requests of the Lord become commandments to those that know His love? A good wife is willing to be loved and controlled in a similar manner -- a beautiful type of the Church.
Amen to that! And.. I would like to add that our Lord's supreme commandments are to love Him and to love our brothers.. I will go even further that we love our enemies and all who seek to find fault in us and accuse and condemn. Then we will know Jesus loved all men..Arguing and condemning this woman is ridiculous. She is preaching the gospel of grace as revealed in God's love to woman. Do not hinder here please.
The whole premise is also wrong. Disobedience for the Christian is not freedom. It's bondage. If I ask my child to eat a piece of candy, and he obeys, he has perfect liberty (James 2) because he is acting according to the nature he has, as well as obeying. This women are acting against their new nature in Christ, and are therefore in bondage and slavery.
Everything you do in disobedience the the Lord will be burned up. The apostle laid a foundation. Let every (wo)man take heed how she builds upon it. (1 Cor 3:10-15). I just don't want you to not have a reward to give glory back to the One who died for you. If you wake up, you'll thank me later. Gender won't matter in heaven. It does here in this fallen world. It's God's judgment, not mine.
Everything women do in obedience to the Lord will be rewarded even though they have men who try to get them to be disobedient by not using their gifts for the entire body of Christ. Jesus never tells women to be prejudiced against men and to refuse to use their God-given gifts for the benefit of men.
It is in fact appropriate for a sister such as those in this video to have their hair short, because it more accurately expresses what they are doing. Any woman can fill the role of a man, it's the vacancy they leave behind that men can't fill that is tragic. All the kings in the OT start out with, "his mother's name was" for a reason. Women have also wrote some very nice hymns.
The woman in Revelation is stopped because she is teaching false doctrine, not because she is a woman. She calls herself a prophetess but God doesn't call her this even though God has true prophets who are women.
No nicely produced video changes the word of God. 1 cor 14: "37If any [wo]man think [her]self to be a prophet, or spiritual, let [her] acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
But if any [wo]man be ignorant, let [her] be ignorant."
Long hair was a symbol of submission for the Nazarite's like Sampson in the OLD TESTAMENT. It is also a symbol of the same for a sister in the NEW.
You just changed the word of God. You made it feminine when it is not talking about just women. I think you should seriously consider what you have done to scripture.
Oh, ok. Paul's teaching is the commandment of the Lord for MEN only, and not women. The masculine gender is not applied to (wo)men if the (wo)man doesn't agree with it. John 7:17.
I might add that while she was prophecying in the video, she neglected to cover her head, in which case she should be shorn, but then I noticed her hair was all cut off anyway. All out of order, and judging for myself, very unattractive and unbecoming for a sister. (1 cor 11).
This is again out of context. 1 Cor. 11 talks about "if it is a shame". In this culture it is not a shame to be without a head covering and it is not a shame to have the hair cut. In fact God required both men and women who took a Nazarite vow to grow their hair long and then shave it off at the end of the vow. God did not consider this a shame but a requirement.
It would be good for you to watch the clip on 1 Cor. 11. There is much in the passage that we don't understand because of our culture. We need to know what Paul's words would have meant to his readers. Their culture and their rules are very important to understand what Paul was getting at.
Hmmmm. Sounds a bit like the will is active. Never a good way to look at scripture. If scripture contradicts me, I'll make it fit, somehow!! John 7:17.
Wrong interpretations produce contradictions which is what we have had with the complementarian view of 1 Cor. 14. They have no "law" to refer back to in verse 34. That is a contradiction and is not consistent with God's word. John 7:18.
By the way, I and others, I am sure, would like to know the context of macarthur's allowance of you to use his material. I cannot imagine him saying, "yes you can use my material to take me out of context and prove me wrong."
I was asked to give each quote that I was going to use. I gave the complete quote I was going to use and that was approved. Nothing is out of context and you can check the context on line. His sermons are on line and his audio tapes are easy to get.
I'm still waiting for your response to me dealing with 1 timothy 2 where you said it was in the context of error but the text indicates nothing like that.
Again you forgot to read what I wrote. This is getting tiring. It is a good practice to read what someone writes before you go off on a tangent. Reading is a very good practice.
When you argue that a talent justifies a position, such as teaching, you cannot say, "well, women have the talent therefore God obviously wants them to use it" and also say, "yes fallen preachers have the talent but God does not want them to use it"
Again you are arguing from a position that I do not take. Fallen Pastors are in sin. Show me where the bible says that godly women teaching correct biblical doctrine are sinning by teaching the body of Christ.
That is a position you are taking. You are taking the position that despite the fact that paul clearly addresses this in 1 timothy and 1 corinthians, because women can be godly and good teachers, they therefore should be able to do it anyway.
Fallen pastors can repent and be godly and good teachers. If not for the bible prohibiting them from regaining their role, why shouldn't they preach again? IF we could just get around that little thing called scripture...
No this is not what I am saying. I am saying that Paul did not forbid godly women from teaching truth. The context of 1 Timothy 1 & 2 is error. Paul stopped the ones teaching error and he gave the reason in chapter 2 as deception. Please exegete the passage to show how Paul was stopping the teaching of correct doctrine.
No, the context is accurate for 1 timothy because it clearly forbids teaching. James 3 also discusses teachers being judged with more scrutiny, and some translations interchange teaching with being master. There is an obvious issue of authority here that you are trying desperately to avoid. Why?
No you have not done as I asked. I asked you to exegete from 1 Timothy 1 & 2 how Paul in context of his prohibition of false teachers in chapter 1 and the reference to deception in chapter 2 could be stopping godly women from teaching true doctrine? I am still waiting.
I honestly cannot believe you're saying 1 timothy 2 is in the context of error alone. Women are supposed to wear head coverings in the context of errors? How far will you go?
You apparently don't read carefully. I didn't say that a woman wrote the book, I asked you what the name of a man was who wrote it. It was you who made the assertion that men wrote all the books of the bible so I asked you for proof. I am still waiting.
So let me get this straight, you don't believe that women wrote any books of the bible, neither do I nor any reputable theologian, but you want me to prove a point that is not even debated.
Perhaps we should assume that other authors that we are not clear about for other books of the bible were also women, or maybe not, because we don't really believe that... errr.
Surely you jest? You are making your point by saying that only men wrote the books of the bible. I am making no claims. I didn't give you what I believe to be true so you don't know what I believe. I merely asked you to prove your claim by giving you the books of Esther and Ruth. Now prove your claim that men wrote these books. If you cannot, then you cannot say that only men wrote God's word.
Are you serious? Did you not just say that you didn't believe women wrote any of the books, either? No serious theologian believes that women wrote any of the books, and there are other books of the bible that there is debate as to their author. If your basis for saying women wrote the books is because no one knows the name of the author for sure, that's pretty far out in left field.
Again, you need to practice a good practice of reading. I said nothing about what I believe. Get that? I asked you to prove what you so boldly claimed. No serious theologian will claim that he knows who wrote Esther and Ruth.
I do think it's interesting that you try to say I am acting inappropriately in debating with you(do you do this with other...) yet you are being clearly condescending. You did say what you believed, but at the same time imply that because no one can say for sure who wrote certain books, a woman could have possibly done so.
This is the last time you will be allowed to comment if you refuse to read what I have written. If you refuse to read and add in your own thoughts, there is no use in communicating with you.
I have read what you have written. You still refuse to deal with several points I have made and, sad to say, fit into the stereotype that is eerily applicable to all of those who promote the feminist view of scripture that you are espousing. Just remember, when you have to twist or omit scripture in order to make your point, you're point is likely wrong.
You are assuming something again that I have never said. Did I say what I was? I have said in the DVD that I respect Mr. MacArthur and consider him my brother in Christ. He has not said that I am not his sister in Christ and I was respectful enough to get the quotes approved and give a copy of the finished product. And your point is?
It is sad but every complementarian I have been challenged by has not been able to give a context of 1 Timothy 1 & 2 that shows that Paul was forbidding the teaching of true doctrine. Sad......
I'm even more confused. You still refuse to deal with the james 3 master/teacher issue, and apparently are still asserting such things as 1 timothy 2:9 which deals with modest dress is in the context of error correction.
Do you really not see how much you twist scripture to prove your point? That you have to say paul was merely babbling when he was talking about authority, because authority is not an issue because the bible is the authority?
I guess you will have to be stopped from commenting. You just cannot read. I said verse nine was NOT part of false teaching but was dealing with GODLY women. When you demand I affirm something I haven't said, it is just so tiresome. I hope you get the DVD set and then write me back and refute me at that time (if you can).
Lastly, Paul does not use the word for "authority". He uses a very strong word "authenteo" that is NEVER given for a man to use (or a woman). Now if God had wanted to stop godly women from teaching godly doctrine or having godly authority, surely he would have had a second witness as he has more than one witness for every law. No, this passage must be seen in its context. False teacher, deception.
I mean everytime we show you a verse, you have no answer to it. Just take the Bible for what it is, you will maybe one day accepting gays in another year.
This is inappropriate and un-Christlike. Just because I disagree with you on a nonessential such as women teaching men does not mean that you can charge me with going against God's laws. Do you treat everyone like this who disagrees with you?
I also have given my blog address strivetoenter(dot)com/wim for bible questions on the issue of women in ministry. It is difficult in this format to give full answers because of the post comment size limit. If you want to ask questions do so on the blog.
That was in reference to 1 cor 11, and thus a mistype.
How you can say that 1 timothy 2:8-9 is in the context of error is beyond me. The specific verse dealing with women not teaching follows just after at 11-12. You're having to butcher the scripture in order to justify your position, when really it's societal influence.
I didn't say that 1 Tim. 2:8-9 refers to false teachers. In fact Paul specifically says "women making a claim to godliness". Then Paul switches grammar by no longer mentioning women (plural) and stops the teaching by "a woman". The reason? He refers to deception.
Do not go beyond what is written. 2 Cor. 4:6. The bible never says that a godly woman teaching correct biblical doctrine is a sin. Error is stopped but never true biblical teaching. The context is key.
It comes down to you arguing that you are inhibiting what God wants if you follow what the bible says. As hard as this may be to accept, I'm sure God thought of these things when he inspired the bible.
God inspired the Bible in context. When we take verses out of context we are in danger of going against God's wishes. Everything must be verified in context.
I agree, that's why it's pretty clear from the fact that every book of the bible was written by a male and every time teaching and females is brought up, the bible is so clear.
It is interesting that you so confidently assert that every book of the bible was written by a male. If you know this information, then please tell me the name of the male that wrote the book of Esther and the book of Ruth.
wow! I didn't know you actually were on board with the idea that some books of the bible were written by women. I'm sure next we'll be told mary was the 13th apostle.
You presuppose that all the books of the bible were written by men. What is your proof? Your comment about Mary is not worth answering. Are you this way with all your brothers and sisters in Christ who disagree with you?
sure it is worth answering, because theologians overwhelmingly disagree with you on that. I mean, you're willing to go so far as to say that women wrote parts of the bible in order to dismiss parts of the bible you disagree with. that's rather shocking.
My comments are not out of line at all. You are trying to get around what the bible is blatantly clear with. It is just as scriptural to have fallen pastors teaching people as women teaching men. 1 tim 2:12 says both teaching AND authority, and james 3 clearly makes the point that teaching is to be held in even HIGHER regard in judgment.
Again you are out of line. Fallen pastors is an issue of sin. Godly women teaching correct biblical doctrine for the common good of the body of Christ is not sin.
And again, authority is inherent in ANY teaching. You have to parse words in order to get around that. If you really believed what you were saying you wouldn't need any women teachers/preachers and people could just read the literal words of the bible.
Teachers are very important and teachers are given to the body to help us understand scripture. But teachers are not the authority. God's word is the authority and God's word is there to correct error. 2 Timothy 3:16. We are not to blindly follow leaders but check all things against God's word.
This is more of the parsing of words. I am a law student, and the professors teach us how to interpret the law, which is the ultimate authority. They still have AUTHORITY over us because they tell us what the law means.
The justification by saying that it's an issue of not being able to use the gifts God has given could also be used in the case of fallen, adulterous pastors. Why should we keep them from returning if they have the gifts?
However we are talking about scripture not man's law. Scripture is the ultimate authority and no man or woman can take authority over us and tell us that their interpretation is God's interpretation and we must not check them out. We are required to check them out by scripture.
We are talking about godly Christian women being forbidden to teach correct biblical doctrine for the benefit of the entire body. This DVD is not about fallen pastors. Your comments are out of line.
Sure, the entire title is pretty misleading. They are either "silenced" or "set free," as if the scriptural position is inhibitive and restraining. You have to step outside modern, or postmodern, western theology and philosophy and realize that the entire movement for women preachers, teachers, etc is largely a byproduct of feminism that has come about in the last several decades. Like every other social phenomenon, it's made it's way into the western church.
My DVD is the result of my own search into scriptures to see what God's will is for my life and for the use of God's gifts that he has given to women. It is verse-by-verse exegesis of the hard passages of scripture. I have been given wonderful compliments for the loving attitude and the thought-provoking exegesis and these comments have been from godly men on the other side of the fence. This issue is not to divide the body of Christ, but to free women to use their gifts as God has given them.
There's a reason why 1 cor 14:35 specifically says "LEARN" after it addresses silence. In order for you to divorce teaching from authority you have to, blatantly, abuse scripture.
I would encourage you to check out macarthur's new book called the truth war, he specifically deals with the abuses you are encouraging and even mentions a guy who devoted years to studying the greek related to this issue and it was made clear that the text meant what it says.
Scripture is the authority and if you put the teacher as the authority, then the student will not be able to question. My son has John's book and he liked it a lot. I have nothing against John and agree with him on many things. This is a secondary issue that true Christians can differ. If John had correction for me he would have done so by now. My DVD is very kind and respectful to him. Did you watch the introduction?
I agree with the others in terms of you having a liberal interpretation of scripture, as well. It is a very modern conception regarding women teachers/preachers, and is very closely tied to the feminist movement in society.
But let me go further, I'm willing to bet you have not actually listened to john macarthur's series that is misquoted in these videos, yet you are demanding others watch the whole videos.
I have of course listened to all of MacArthur's series that are quoted. In fact I have permission from his organization to use the quotes and he was given a preview copy in the early spring 2006. The audio series has been posted on the internet by John's fans so it is easy to check the quotes and easy to order the tapes. They are not misquotes but John's audio tapes. Perhaps you should check your facts.
I agree that's what it says in 1 cor 11, that doesn't mean anything else you are saying is true. The teacher in a class room still pulls from external sources to teach the students, but they still teach with authority, in such a way as they know more and are recognized as knowing more than the students they are teaching. Why else would they be teaching them?
You're having to jump through hoops to avoid dealing with what is plainly in scripture.
The teacher is the teacher, however they do not have authority. The scripture is the authority and the student has authority to test the teacher. In fact the student is REQUIRED to test all things.
It seems necessary for you to twist words or just disregard bible passages altogether in order to justify your position. A lot of it comes back to the fact that the western church emulates the western society, so as western society becomes more feminist, it only makes sense that the western church would do so as well. The problem is, the church won't admit that.
Uhh, she said, "then paul would be contradicting what he said in 1 corinthians 11" pertaining to women prophesying. Paul said nothing about women prophesying in 1 cor 11.
I wonder why people still can believe that a man should be over his wife and she should be submissive to him, but she can be over other wive's husbands as their pastor. That seems like a "contradiction" to me.
I think you forgot to look at 1 Cor. 11:5. Also this DVD is about women teaching the bible to men. It is not about women being "over" men or men being "over" women. We are to serve in the body of Christ using our gifts. All of us are to serve and all of us are to use our gifts as God gives them.
The idea that teaching is not having authority over is probably the silliest attempt to get around the bible in this whole debate. If you don't teach with "authority," then you don't teach, because the teacher/student relationship is always in the context of the teacher knowing more than the student. There's always an authority issue.
So you do agree that 1 Cor. 11:5 has women prophesying? Good. No teacher is the authority. God's word is the authority and every student is required by God's word to test their teacher by the word of God.
Why do I watch to something is he plain heresy, I offer Bible verses and all you can offer is a video. This is a joke. And by the way to hold a position you do, would make you a liberal in the Christian. I am not going to let some false idea that has just alive in the last 50 years. How sad that chruches are letting Joyce Meyer take over big chruches. Would you accept Joyce Meyer as your preacher?
What you have written doesn't make sense. If you would like to ask questions about bible verses this isn't the proper format. Go to my blog strivetoenter(DOT)com/wim and you can ask questions there. No I wouldn't accept Joyce Meyer as my Pastor as I have her on tape teaching that Jesus didn't fully pay for our sin on the cross. That is heresy.
Ok, I see we disagree on this issue and neither of us are going to change views on the position. But I think the main thing is that we both agree that salvation is by believing that Jesus Christ is Lord and payed for us on the cross
Yes, we can disagree on the non-essentials, but on the essentials we agree. Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone because of Jesus Christ alone. His work on the cross paid for my sin and your sin. He is the one who brings both of us into the body of Christ and both of us are commanded to use our gifts for the common good of the body. We will be individually responsible to answer to Christ for what we do with his gifts.
Women are not to be int he pastoral or elder position. This is quite clear throughout the Bible. Men are to be leaders of the church. If you disagree find a single reference to a female pastor/elder or a single reference that gives qualifications for a female elder. The femenistic society we live in has corrupted the church to the extent that it chooses not to carefully examine God's word and that is very dangerous.
Let me ask you to show me the name of a Gentile who was an elder. Tell me one name of a male that was a Pastor. Scripture does not limit the gifts of Pastor to Jews even though we can't find the name of a Gentile Pastor in the bible. We need to see what scripture says not what it doesn't say. In Christ, we are all one and all are filled with the Holy Spirit. He can call whomever he wants.
I agree with fatkovaos, the Bible says woman is the weaker vessel. This video is plain heresy, people who don't take the Bible literally usally try and agrue that Christ accepts Homosexuals and other life styles.
Please watch the introduction to the series and you will see that we not only take the bible literally but we believe that every word and every piece of grammar is inspired. Heresy is a very serious charge and should not be thrown around at will. I do not charge complementarians with heresy and the bible tells us that we are to judge with care. Where is the heresy?
as for the ref. in 1 peter 3:1 all it mentions is that wives should be respectful and obiedient. this in no way suggests that women should generally be submissive to men and in no way whatsoever suggests that they should not ever have authority over men.The only submission is in reference to their husbands as head of the household but as I mentioned in a previous post women did have authority in the household and this was ballanced with the male having the last word when no consencuse be reached
RedLetterChristian 10 months ago
as for the reference in timothy - if you are going to maintain that women can not teach or have authority and you use this text to prove your case then you must also say that women are only saved through child bearing?! I am sure you would not say that this is the case and the whole issue about deception and being saved is refering to the garden of eden where god said that the women would be saved through childbearing 'her child will crush your head, and you shall bruise his heel'
RedLetterChristian 10 months ago
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most chruches were in homes and women being the master of the home in respect as to the running of an efficiant house hold and the man haveing the authority out side of the house in matters of buisiness and the like. both haveing authoriy in different sections of society. verce 34 would apply to teaching outside of the household, (this is cultural and not for practice today)
RedLetterChristian 10 months ago
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there is an arguement to be made for the man to be head of the household. (the final word when agreement can not be reached on an action of plan of action) a leader for the family both in spiritual and non spiritual matters. However, this does not follow into any other sphere. in a chuch setting there is a hiearchy of authority already in place that is responcable for the church at large. meaning that women have every right to hold those positions. period. apostolic succession does not exist.
RedLetterChristian 10 months ago
There is a difference between "prophesying" and "teaching". Women are forbidden to "teach" men in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-12). This is God's will from the Created Order. Women indeed prophesied (1Cor. 11:5), just as Joel 2:28 said they would--and that was to herald the coming of the Kingdom with "signs and wonders" However, divine revelation (prophesying) has ended (1Cor. 13:8ff;Heb 1:1-4). The prophesying remaining today is akin to reading scripture or singing.
sonlover62 10 months ago
Easy, they can teach outside the church, but not to an assembly or congregation
Sister can you tell me how you take these scriptures
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
SuperGolfing1 11 months ago
@SuperGolfing1 This DVD set goes through all of these verses and more in a thorough way. Youtube comments are not set up to provide extensive answers. I suggest that you get a copy of the DVDs and see for yourself.
inhistime2007 11 months ago
@SuperGolfing1 Thanks for posting brother. Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit Paul writes several passages explaining this issue and unfortunately women continue to rebel against this teaching, doing their best to explain it away. We have to continue to pray for these women who are caught up in worldly motives. God bless you all
mistamoon1 8 months ago
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@mrcooper32 Never heard of a priestress, stop adding to the bible! (I'm kidding:o) The Lord Jesus called me has an Evangelist...feel free to check out my channel with my vids, I do open-air street preaching...God bless.
"Go into all the world and PREACH the gospel to every creature..."
fathersonnholyspirit 1 year ago
Que Bono? Latin meaning: Who Benefits? Who benefits from the female half of the Body of Christ being precluded from preaching the Gospel? Yahweh God, or Satan?
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago 3
yeshualovesu2: That is a great question!
inhistime2007 2 years ago
Thanks. inhistime2007. I just want people to really seek God & not mans doctrine. Time is so very short. We must all seek and save the lost.
If we preclude anyone from preaching & teaching the Gospel that is one less person winning souls for the Lord Jesus Christ with the very Word of God.
Perhaps if every believer was handed two things when they got born again, the Bible & Foxes Book of Martyrs we could settle this non-sense once & for all. Men & Women were slain for preaching the Gospel.
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
Why do usurping WOMEN allway believe that God talks to them personally/mouth to mouth like Gods faithful servant MOSES???
On one hand you say" we shouldnt listen to man"(ONLY when you disagree of course) but on the other hand you list a Book(Foxes/Martyrs) which is not Biblical and written by men??
Men and women are equal in value, but God has given men and women specific roles in the Body of Christ......
sheriffquick 2 years ago
@sheriffquick Where does the bible give both genders separate roles? I don't mean to be disrespectful but I see no evidence for separate roles. Even if we see women's roles as being limited, there are no passages that limit a man's role. He is not obligated to assume a role in the public sphere, or one of leadership. Its true that those who are blessed with teaching ability should exercise their gift, but many women seem to possess this gift as well.
phoenixheffa 1 year ago
@phoenixheffa Thanks.....The Bible consist of Holy Scripture, Proverbs,Poetry,The Gospels and Epistles..........The Epistles were written after death. There were written to instruct the Gentiles.1 Timothy gives instructions(ROLES IN THE CHURCH) on Roles for men, women, leadership,widow, women, Pulpit,etc.........
sheriffquick 1 year ago
@sheriffquick 1 Timothy is pretty extensive as far as church order is concerned, which is actually quite remarkable considering that Paul doesn't seem to go into such detail in other books... although, it is a personal/instructional letter to Timothy, so the detail makes sense. It seems to me that Paul gives men the option of assuming leadership roles in the church, but they are not obligated bc of their gender. BTW Thank you for talking with me and not at me. :)
phoenixheffa 1 year ago
@yeshualovesu2: There is a difference between "prophesying" and "teaching". Women are forbidden to "teach" men in the church (1 Timothy 2:11-12). This is God's will from the Created Order. Women indeed prophesied (1Cor. 11:5), just as Joel 2:28 said they would--and that was to herald the coming of the Kingdom with "signs and wonders" However, divine revelation (prophesying) has ended (1Cor. 13:8ff;Heb 1:1-4). The prophesying remaining today is akin to reading scripture or singing.
sonlover62 10 months ago
Cyria the elect lady, was Pastor of her own church. Pricillia was a Pastor with her husband Aquilla, Pheobe labored (teaching and preaching with Paul), Junia, a woman was an Apostle. Deborah was a Prophet and a Judge. God's word says He is no respecter of persons, but men say He is a respecter of appendages? Study the Whole Counsel of God.
I can take two scriptures out of context and make a false doctrine out of them too...
Judas hanged himself; Now, go ye and do likewise.
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
Cyria was no pastor of any Church.
Pricilla- was with her husband as women ought to be. There no proof of her preaching.
Pheobe was assisting Paul, but no proof of preaching.
Junia- no sure whether male of female, and ABSOLUTELY NOT AN APOSTLE.
Deborah- wasa prophetess, but if you would read your Bible you will see that see was not a Pastor, Bishop, or over Men.....
As a SO CALLED CHRISTIAN WHY WOULD YOU ENCOURAGE BELIVERS TO GO AND HANG THEMSELVES.......ARE YOU SERIOUS?
sheriffquick 2 years ago
As regard to comment about taking words and phrases out of the Bible and preaching them out of context is why I referenced the scriptures of Judas hanging himself and then go ye and do likewise. I was illustrating the absurd by being absurd.
I John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
(This instruction means your sisters in Christ too)
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
YOur eloquent and eclectic words are going to send you straight to hell.....Becare Paul warned us of this......Dont read to far into the scriptures.........
sheriffquick 2 years ago
Thank Yahweh God I do not have to go through your little wicket gate to get anything from Him!
I am a believer in Yeshua and my salvation is not contingent upon whether or not I get all doctrinal issues correct concerning male and female roles in the ministry. My salvation is based on faith in Christ ALONE for redemption of my sins and nothing else!!!
Lastly, how dare you suggest anything about me in any manner. You don't know me. My remarks were based on your argument alone...not personal.
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
If any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
sheriffquick 2 years ago
If you actually READ the scripture you may realise that once you are a Christian, God will never leave you. We are saved by FAITH not by works!
MsCutieFruity 2 years ago
If you would actually READ the scriptures.....YOu would realise ONE CANNOT HAVE FAITH WITHOUT WORKS.....
FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.......
sheriffquick 2 years ago
@sheriffquick True, though I don't understand why there is such an argument: faith vs. works. God expects us to try our best, but if we stumble and fall (which happens bc we are human) we are still saved.
phoenixheffa 1 year ago
You need to study the Word in the whole counsel of God, not fanatical, woman hating teachers.
God gave both the Man and the Woman, who were BOTH called Adam by God in Genisis, dominion. Man is not the head of the Woman. They are co-equals. You are showing your ignorance of God's Word, and His character and nature as revealed in the scriptures. Women in Christ have been redeemed from the curse of the law and NO ONE has the right to re-entangle them with the yolk of bondage.
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
Study Gods whole counsel...........Hillarious!!!! You dont even know who you are or what God has called Women to be???? Women ought to be sober minded, humble, meek, with a gentle with a QUIET SPIRIT, which is precious in the sight of God.
sheriffquick 2 years ago
A quiet spirit doesn't mean they have to BE QUIET. There is a difference. Pretty much, it is saying to be lady like...
MsCutieFruity 2 years ago
@MsCutieFruity Im pretty sure scripture says for women to be attentive, respectful and not act in ways that are disruptive. I don't see Paul as a chauvinist considering his positive remarks about Phoebe, Priscilla, and Junia.
phoenixheffa 1 year ago
List of HaterS of the GREAT APOSTLE PAUL.....
SODOMITES
JEZEBELS
FEMINAZI
EMASCULATE MEN
AGNOSTICS
sheriffquick 2 years ago
Lastly, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself commanded Mary to Go and tell that He was risen and goes to His Father and Our Father.... this is the Gospel. John chapter 20.The men did not see Jesus until later. Jesus expressly commanded the Woman to go and tell. We are commanded to share the Gospel with everyone.
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
Interesting....I guess Jesus was a chauvinist as well.........Out of all the women he encountered, NOT ONE DID HE MAKE AN APOSTLE, NOT ONE...
Jacob also had at least one daughter...Do you believe that he is chauvanist as well........
Women are equal to men in value, but women have their roles in the BODY OF CHRIST. They do not have authority over men PERIOD................
sheriffquick 2 years ago
! cORTH 11 VS 3 EXPLAINS THE GODS ORDER....
If you looking for the Bible to be Politically Correct you will come up short every time..........THATS WHAT A WORLDY PERSON WOULD DO.......
sheriffquick 2 years ago
Yeshua expressly said, "that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit." If we are born of the Spirit then that service is in and of the Spirit for Spiritual things. Therefore; it is not possible that the service to the Lord in the five fold ministry gifts which are gifts to the "Body of Christ" which is born of the Spirit would then be divided and separated according to the flesh.
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
Another example is when the Apostle Paul expressly rebuked Peter to his face for wanting to add one thing to salvation, (which was circumcision), in order to be born again. How then can this doctrine of division in the Body of Christ be in any way according to the flesh?
What's next? Are the teachers of this division going to start measuring appendages to determine who should be the chief elder or bishop or apostle?
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
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yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
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Why not? According to the teachers of this male only doctrine, whether or not you have an appendage is the qualifier as to who can even be in these five fold ministry gifts. They should hold true to their doctrine, grab a ruler and measure the real worth of every man, "in Christ."
yeshualovesu2 2 years ago
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
TheLambIsRisen 2 years ago
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Should women usurp the authority of men, let alone teach. This verse has always bothered me. It has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with Gods Word! I believe it applies today as it did then!
1 Timothy 2:
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Rylucero 2 years ago
The biblical meaning of "CHURCH" is not a building. It is the body of Christ - the people.
inhistime2007 2 years ago
@inhistime2007 Meaning we can't preach to the body of Christ- People? What are you talking about? The Lord Jesus called me has an Evangelist...feel free to check out my channel with my vids, I do open-air street preaching...God bless.
"Go into all the world and PREACH the gospel to every creature..." P.S. What are you doing to plunder hell?
fathersonnholyspirit 1 year ago
It is not saying that women are not to read and spread the gospel but that women are not to teach the gospel. There is a difference in this, anybody can read or promote scripture but it is the job of the church leaders to interpret the scripture and teach the meanings behind scripture. A woman is forbidden to do this. This is what it means by a woman can not speak in church assembly. Remaining silent in church assembly is a sign of obedience to men, which is obedience to the law and to G-d.
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
Hmmm. yet we see PRESCILLA AND AQUILLA BOTH teaching in acts don't we? There is no such thing as a "church assembly" there is only an Assembly - every time you see the word ECCLESIA, it means ASSEMBLY, not church. If women were never to prophesy, why did Saul tell them not to prophesy with their heads uncovered? hmm. Saul was just never consistent & none of the Apostles taught this doctrine. Only Paul the self proclaimed did. Women rRnt commanded to obey men, but WIVES OBEY THEIR OWNHUSBANDS.
WONDAWOMAN 3 years ago
My reply was to bigjoe612's comment not yours. I did get your point. Thanks.
inhistime2007 3 years ago
What is prophecy?Prophecy is giving testimony of Jesus Christ as shown in Revelations,so know than that with this we can say that they will teach about Jesus and his love as they give their own testimony.
6gording6 3 years ago
jeremiah 23 28 god says let a prophet tell a dream and let HIM speak my word.
bigjoe612 3 years ago
The default language is always male but it includes both genders. Luke 9:23 And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Are only males allowed to deny themselves and follow Jesus?
inhistime2007 3 years ago
I think you missed the point.Both man and women who are in Christ share the same testimony which is prophecy.
6gording6 3 years ago
inhistime2007 you have TO read more than luke for your instructions.jeremiah 23 28 GOD said let a prophet tell a dream and let HIM tell my word.Book of timothy corinthians on and on the bible teachs u that a woman cant preach.She is to teach the young girls how to be sober and a lady.Its tight but its right.If yall dont like it take it up wit GOD.HERE ME TALKIN.
bigjoe612 3 years ago
I think you should read my post again. The default language is male but includes male and female. There is no verse that forbids "preaching". The entire DVD series deals with all of the hard passages of scriptures on women. All verse must be taken in their complete context. If you view the series and have questions I would be happy to answer. The comment section isn't big enough to deal with material that is already covered on the DVDs.
inhistime2007 3 years ago
YET WE SEE THAT DEBORAH had a UTERUS and was not only a prophet but a JUDGE OVER ISRAEL as MYRIAM another one with a UTERUS was a prophet, HULDAH, doggonit, another UTERUS, and then there were those UTERUSES & OVARIES whom the prophet JOEL said would PROPHESY as that is what prophets DO, & those FOUR DAUGHTERS OF PHILLIP, (Acts21_8-9) who PROPHECIED.. and doggonit, I bet they all had FEMALE PARTS TOO! So you seem mysoginistic rather than concerned about the correctness of the "WORD". FROM A HER
WONDAWOMAN 3 years ago
Prophecy is speaking under divine revelation. Anybody (man, woman, jew, gentile) who is truely saved in Christ Jesus and has recieved the Holy Ghost can prophecy. A woman is permitted to speak the Gospel and give testimony (as well as to prophesy) but this is much different than being a Minister or Bishop in head of a Ministry. When meeting among church members in the prescence of males who are speaking of things of the spirit, women are to REMAIN SILENT, no woman can preach (teach) Holy Torah.
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
Prophesy is speaking or foretelling. So it means speaking FORTH the words of Yahweh or foretelling what Yahweh has told you to declare. Prophets of old were not giving the testimony of "Jesus Christ"..
WONDAWOMAN 3 years ago
The Prophets of old, did not give testimony to Christ Jesus? I think you are greatly mistaken. The whole point of the Old Testament prophets was to point to Jesus.
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
you are replying to a response that I made to someone OTHER than you, which is why your reply made no sense to me & why you didn't understand my comment. "What is prophecy?Prophecy is giving testimony of Jesus Christ as shown in Revelations,so know than that with this we can say that they will teach about Jesus and his love as they give their own testimony.--THISis the definition some1 gave of what it means to prophesy, which is NOT the definition of prophecy at all. Hence my reply to THEM
WONDAWOMAN 3 years ago
K, yes prophecy is when you are under divine revelation from G-d; this is obviously different than simply giving testimony or reading Scripture (in which case you would be simply reading prophecy given by revelation to a prophet).
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
I am curious to know if you are married and if you submit to your husband and if your husband loves you. I am going to speak on these topics n the future and have seen something that I did not see before which will bless men and women. A woman who is an example to us all must first show that she supports her husband and has not overcome him but helped him to be the head of the house. If women are subverting men in homes, it is a bad testimony and sign to pagans of family breakdown
headachehealer 3 years ago
headachehealer....if a man is that insecure then he needs to stay home with his ma ma.a real man knows who he is,he doesn't feel the need to opprees women just to make himself feel better. the bible has been poisened by men for so long that half the crap in their ya cant trust.women rock this earh and you better learn some respect boy.
zuniga6412 3 years ago 2
I was raised, Southern Baptist/Protistant!
Never saw a female preacher. But they did, teach Sunday School, play instraments,sing in the chrior.I'd rather have a Female Preacher then a gayboy leading the pack.
rebelstang 3 years ago
I can't help but wonder, like so much else, how much of the original meaning of the role of women in the church was lost through the control of the Catholic church before the reformation. May God grant that our eyes and hearts will be opened to the truth of the original intent of the inspired Scriptures.
thrufaithalone 4 years ago
Amen!
inhistime2007 4 years ago
The women who made this vid is out of order with just the way she prsents herself.According to the bible,the one she refers to..Cor,11 speaks about hair,length,Why? because her hair is her GLORY,Well she has cut off her Glory,Easy read isnt it.
sidebarr7 4 years ago
Judgment - this is what happens when we take scripture out of context. God's standard for hair is clearly spelled out in the old testament with the Nazarite vow where God required both men and women to shave their hair off for the glory of God and both men and women to grow their hair for the glory of God. There is no difference.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Out of context? You're applying the Nazarite vow to the Church? Who's taking things out of context. The nazarite wore long hair a symbol of SUBMISSION. A woman should do the same. Short hair is also just plain ugly. This video is proof as to why women should not participate in public ministry. "The name of God is blasphemed...for your sakes." This is a joke.
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
The Nazarite vow is reason why men were not to be ashamed of growing their hair long or women were not to be ashamed of having short or shaved hair. It is a dedication to God. Nowhere is the length of one's hair said to be a sign of submission to men.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Pardon? Are you placing your cultural desires that I should have long hair on me as a woman? Do you actually think that a God who designed people to be of every colour, facial structure and manner actually cares how long your hair is? Do you not realise that Paul was discussing men and women breaking FREE from Jewish traditions that included covering of heads as a sign of shame? Believers have no condemnation anymore, we're not under the Jewish law.
kimkaze 4 years ago
Of course, doing everything right is not the most important thing, love is, otherwise we might become like the Exclusive Brethren (Taylorites). Search for Exclusive Brethren in youtube for a bbc documentary on them. The vast majority of christians that leave them are not even saved! On the other hand, it is nice to be among Christians where the smallest precepts of scripture are kept, and there is love as well.
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
The command that we are given by Jesus is to love our brothers and sisters in Christ.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Ok,lets LOVE from 1 John5;2 BY THIS!we know that WE Love the children of GOD. that WE keep his COMMANDMENTS!,So are you keeping them?? or Dodgeing them,or explaining them away to mean something according to what you want them to mean??
sidebarr7 4 years ago
1john 5;3for this IS THE LOVE OF GOD,that we keep his commandments;AND HIS COMMANDMENTSARE NOT GRIEVOUS.,My question is this,,Why is it so hard to obey what the bible says for women??? You can read verse 4 also and see the answer to the question, overcome the world and come out of it.
sidebarr7 4 years ago
Good point. When we love someone, we can say, "your wish is my command," don't the smallest requests of the Lord become commandments to those that know His love? A good wife is willing to be loved and controlled in a similar manner -- a beautiful type of the Church.
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
Amen to that! And.. I would like to add that our Lord's supreme commandments are to love Him and to love our brothers.. I will go even further that we love our enemies and all who seek to find fault in us and accuse and condemn. Then we will know Jesus loved all men..Arguing and condemning this woman is ridiculous. She is preaching the gospel of grace as revealed in God's love to woman. Do not hinder here please.
headachehealer 4 years ago
The whole premise is also wrong. Disobedience for the Christian is not freedom. It's bondage. If I ask my child to eat a piece of candy, and he obeys, he has perfect liberty (James 2) because he is acting according to the nature he has, as well as obeying. This women are acting against their new nature in Christ, and are therefore in bondage and slavery.
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
Where is the evidence? It is a serious judgment call to judge unlawfully.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Everything you do in disobedience the the Lord will be burned up. The apostle laid a foundation. Let every (wo)man take heed how she builds upon it. (1 Cor 3:10-15). I just don't want you to not have a reward to give glory back to the One who died for you. If you wake up, you'll thank me later. Gender won't matter in heaven. It does here in this fallen world. It's God's judgment, not mine.
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
Everything women do in obedience to the Lord will be rewarded even though they have men who try to get them to be disobedient by not using their gifts for the entire body of Christ. Jesus never tells women to be prejudiced against men and to refuse to use their God-given gifts for the benefit of men.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
It is in fact appropriate for a sister such as those in this video to have their hair short, because it more accurately expresses what they are doing. Any woman can fill the role of a man, it's the vacancy they leave behind that men can't fill that is tragic. All the kings in the OT start out with, "his mother's name was" for a reason. Women have also wrote some very nice hymns.
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
The bible never says that teaching the bible is a role just for a male.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
True. The older women teach the younger. When they teach the whole assembly, it generally isn't a good thing. (Rev 2:20).
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
The woman in Revelation is stopped because she is teaching false doctrine, not because she is a woman. She calls herself a prophetess but God doesn't call her this even though God has true prophets who are women.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
No nicely produced video changes the word of God. 1 cor 14: "37If any [wo]man think [her]self to be a prophet, or spiritual, let [her] acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
But if any [wo]man be ignorant, let [her] be ignorant."
Long hair was a symbol of submission for the Nazarite's like Sampson in the OLD TESTAMENT. It is also a symbol of the same for a sister in the NEW.
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
Shaved hair was also a symbol of submission for a Nazarite. Both for the men and women. It is also allowed in the New Testament.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
You just changed the word of God. You made it feminine when it is not talking about just women. I think you should seriously consider what you have done to scripture.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Oh, ok. Paul's teaching is the commandment of the Lord for MEN only, and not women. The masculine gender is not applied to (wo)men if the (wo)man doesn't agree with it. John 7:17.
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
I might add that while she was prophecying in the video, she neglected to cover her head, in which case she should be shorn, but then I noticed her hair was all cut off anyway. All out of order, and judging for myself, very unattractive and unbecoming for a sister. (1 cor 11).
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
This is again out of context. 1 Cor. 11 talks about "if it is a shame". In this culture it is not a shame to be without a head covering and it is not a shame to have the hair cut. In fact God required both men and women who took a Nazarite vow to grow their hair long and then shave it off at the end of the vow. God did not consider this a shame but a requirement.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
It would be good for you to watch the clip on 1 Cor. 11. There is much in the passage that we don't understand because of our culture. We need to know what Paul's words would have meant to his readers. Their culture and their rules are very important to understand what Paul was getting at.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Hmmmm. Sounds a bit like the will is active. Never a good way to look at scripture. If scripture contradicts me, I'll make it fit, somehow!! John 7:17.
Idiopathogen 4 years ago
Wrong interpretations produce contradictions which is what we have had with the complementarian view of 1 Cor. 14. They have no "law" to refer back to in verse 34. That is a contradiction and is not consistent with God's word. John 7:18.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
By the way, I and others, I am sure, would like to know the context of macarthur's allowance of you to use his material. I cannot imagine him saying, "yes you can use my material to take me out of context and prove me wrong."
dcougle 4 years ago
I was asked to give each quote that I was going to use. I gave the complete quote I was going to use and that was approved. Nothing is out of context and you can check the context on line. His sermons are on line and his audio tapes are easy to get.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
you seem to have conveniently neglected to deal with the james 3 teacher/master issue.
dcougle 4 years ago
I am still waiting for your exegesis of 1 Timothy 1 & 2. I don't deal with anything but the hard passages of scripture in my DVD.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I'm still waiting for your response to me dealing with 1 timothy 2 where you said it was in the context of error but the text indicates nothing like that.
dcougle 4 years ago
Again you forgot to read what I wrote. This is getting tiring. It is a good practice to read what someone writes before you go off on a tangent. Reading is a very good practice.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Sorry, I meant to add this.
When you argue that a talent justifies a position, such as teaching, you cannot say, "well, women have the talent therefore God obviously wants them to use it" and also say, "yes fallen preachers have the talent but God does not want them to use it"
dcougle 4 years ago
Again you are arguing from a position that I do not take. Fallen Pastors are in sin. Show me where the bible says that godly women teaching correct biblical doctrine are sinning by teaching the body of Christ.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
That is a position you are taking. You are taking the position that despite the fact that paul clearly addresses this in 1 timothy and 1 corinthians, because women can be godly and good teachers, they therefore should be able to do it anyway.
Fallen pastors can repent and be godly and good teachers. If not for the bible prohibiting them from regaining their role, why shouldn't they preach again? IF we could just get around that little thing called scripture...
dcougle 4 years ago
No this is not what I am saying. I am saying that Paul did not forbid godly women from teaching truth. The context of 1 Timothy 1 & 2 is error. Paul stopped the ones teaching error and he gave the reason in chapter 2 as deception. Please exegete the passage to show how Paul was stopping the teaching of correct doctrine.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
No, the context is accurate for 1 timothy because it clearly forbids teaching. James 3 also discusses teachers being judged with more scrutiny, and some translations interchange teaching with being master. There is an obvious issue of authority here that you are trying desperately to avoid. Why?
dcougle 4 years ago
No you have not done as I asked. I asked you to exegete from 1 Timothy 1 & 2 how Paul in context of his prohibition of false teachers in chapter 1 and the reference to deception in chapter 2 could be stopping godly women from teaching true doctrine? I am still waiting.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I honestly cannot believe you're saying 1 timothy 2 is in the context of error alone. Women are supposed to wear head coverings in the context of errors? How far will you go?
dcougle 4 years ago
You apparently don't read carefully. I didn't say that a woman wrote the book, I asked you what the name of a man was who wrote it. It was you who made the assertion that men wrote all the books of the bible so I asked you for proof. I am still waiting.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
So let me get this straight, you don't believe that women wrote any books of the bible, neither do I nor any reputable theologian, but you want me to prove a point that is not even debated.
Perhaps we should assume that other authors that we are not clear about for other books of the bible were also women, or maybe not, because we don't really believe that... errr.
dcougle 4 years ago
Surely you jest? You are making your point by saying that only men wrote the books of the bible. I am making no claims. I didn't give you what I believe to be true so you don't know what I believe. I merely asked you to prove your claim by giving you the books of Esther and Ruth. Now prove your claim that men wrote these books. If you cannot, then you cannot say that only men wrote God's word.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Are you serious? Did you not just say that you didn't believe women wrote any of the books, either? No serious theologian believes that women wrote any of the books, and there are other books of the bible that there is debate as to their author. If your basis for saying women wrote the books is because no one knows the name of the author for sure, that's pretty far out in left field.
dcougle 4 years ago
Again, you need to practice a good practice of reading. I said nothing about what I believe. Get that? I asked you to prove what you so boldly claimed. No serious theologian will claim that he knows who wrote Esther and Ruth.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I do think it's interesting that you try to say I am acting inappropriately in debating with you(do you do this with other...) yet you are being clearly condescending. You did say what you believed, but at the same time imply that because no one can say for sure who wrote certain books, a woman could have possibly done so.
dcougle 4 years ago
This is the last time you will be allowed to comment if you refuse to read what I have written. If you refuse to read and add in your own thoughts, there is no use in communicating with you.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I have read what you have written. You still refuse to deal with several points I have made and, sad to say, fit into the stereotype that is eerily applicable to all of those who promote the feminist view of scripture that you are espousing. Just remember, when you have to twist or omit scripture in order to make your point, you're point is likely wrong.
dcougle 4 years ago
You are assuming something again that I have never said. Did I say what I was? I have said in the DVD that I respect Mr. MacArthur and consider him my brother in Christ. He has not said that I am not his sister in Christ and I was respectful enough to get the quotes approved and give a copy of the finished product. And your point is?
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Oh and I am still waiting...........
It is sad but every complementarian I have been challenged by has not been able to give a context of 1 Timothy 1 & 2 that shows that Paul was forbidding the teaching of true doctrine. Sad......
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I'm even more confused. You still refuse to deal with the james 3 master/teacher issue, and apparently are still asserting such things as 1 timothy 2:9 which deals with modest dress is in the context of error correction.
Do you really not see how much you twist scripture to prove your point? That you have to say paul was merely babbling when he was talking about authority, because authority is not an issue because the bible is the authority?
dcougle 4 years ago
I guess you will have to be stopped from commenting. You just cannot read. I said verse nine was NOT part of false teaching but was dealing with GODLY women. When you demand I affirm something I haven't said, it is just so tiresome. I hope you get the DVD set and then write me back and refute me at that time (if you can).
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Lastly, Paul does not use the word for "authority". He uses a very strong word "authenteo" that is NEVER given for a man to use (or a woman). Now if God had wanted to stop godly women from teaching godly doctrine or having godly authority, surely he would have had a second witness as he has more than one witness for every law. No, this passage must be seen in its context. False teacher, deception.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I mean everytime we show you a verse, you have no answer to it. Just take the Bible for what it is, you will maybe one day accepting gays in another year.
hehas100 4 years ago 2
This is inappropriate and un-Christlike. Just because I disagree with you on a nonessential such as women teaching men does not mean that you can charge me with going against God's laws. Do you treat everyone like this who disagrees with you?
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I also have given my blog address strivetoenter(dot)com/wim for bible questions on the issue of women in ministry. It is difficult in this format to give full answers because of the post comment size limit. If you want to ask questions do so on the blog.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
So true
hehas100 4 years ago
Again you are not reading properly. Where is head coverings in 1 Timothy 2?
inhistime2007 4 years ago
That was in reference to 1 cor 11, and thus a mistype.
How you can say that 1 timothy 2:8-9 is in the context of error is beyond me. The specific verse dealing with women not teaching follows just after at 11-12. You're having to butcher the scripture in order to justify your position, when really it's societal influence.
dcougle 4 years ago
I didn't say that 1 Tim. 2:8-9 refers to false teachers. In fact Paul specifically says "women making a claim to godliness". Then Paul switches grammar by no longer mentioning women (plural) and stops the teaching by "a woman". The reason? He refers to deception.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Do not go beyond what is written. 2 Cor. 4:6. The bible never says that a godly woman teaching correct biblical doctrine is a sin. Error is stopped but never true biblical teaching. The context is key.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
It comes down to you arguing that you are inhibiting what God wants if you follow what the bible says. As hard as this may be to accept, I'm sure God thought of these things when he inspired the bible.
dcougle 4 years ago
God inspired the Bible in context. When we take verses out of context we are in danger of going against God's wishes. Everything must be verified in context.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I agree, that's why it's pretty clear from the fact that every book of the bible was written by a male and every time teaching and females is brought up, the bible is so clear.
dcougle 4 years ago
It is interesting that you so confidently assert that every book of the bible was written by a male. If you know this information, then please tell me the name of the male that wrote the book of Esther and the book of Ruth.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
wow! I didn't know you actually were on board with the idea that some books of the bible were written by women. I'm sure next we'll be told mary was the 13th apostle.
dcougle 4 years ago
You presuppose that all the books of the bible were written by men. What is your proof? Your comment about Mary is not worth answering. Are you this way with all your brothers and sisters in Christ who disagree with you?
inhistime2007 4 years ago
sure it is worth answering, because theologians overwhelmingly disagree with you on that. I mean, you're willing to go so far as to say that women wrote parts of the bible in order to dismiss parts of the bible you disagree with. that's rather shocking.
dcougle 4 years ago
My comments are not out of line at all. You are trying to get around what the bible is blatantly clear with. It is just as scriptural to have fallen pastors teaching people as women teaching men. 1 tim 2:12 says both teaching AND authority, and james 3 clearly makes the point that teaching is to be held in even HIGHER regard in judgment.
dcougle 4 years ago
Again you are out of line. Fallen pastors is an issue of sin. Godly women teaching correct biblical doctrine for the common good of the body of Christ is not sin.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Why is it an issue of sin? Because they are going against what the bible says, perhaps like women teaching?
dcougle 4 years ago
And again, authority is inherent in ANY teaching. You have to parse words in order to get around that. If you really believed what you were saying you wouldn't need any women teachers/preachers and people could just read the literal words of the bible.
dcougle 4 years ago
Teachers are very important and teachers are given to the body to help us understand scripture. But teachers are not the authority. God's word is the authority and God's word is there to correct error. 2 Timothy 3:16. We are not to blindly follow leaders but check all things against God's word.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
This is more of the parsing of words. I am a law student, and the professors teach us how to interpret the law, which is the ultimate authority. They still have AUTHORITY over us because they tell us what the law means.
The justification by saying that it's an issue of not being able to use the gifts God has given could also be used in the case of fallen, adulterous pastors. Why should we keep them from returning if they have the gifts?
dcougle 4 years ago
However we are talking about scripture not man's law. Scripture is the ultimate authority and no man or woman can take authority over us and tell us that their interpretation is God's interpretation and we must not check them out. We are required to check them out by scripture.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
We are talking about godly Christian women being forbidden to teach correct biblical doctrine for the benefit of the entire body. This DVD is not about fallen pastors. Your comments are out of line.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Sure, the entire title is pretty misleading. They are either "silenced" or "set free," as if the scriptural position is inhibitive and restraining. You have to step outside modern, or postmodern, western theology and philosophy and realize that the entire movement for women preachers, teachers, etc is largely a byproduct of feminism that has come about in the last several decades. Like every other social phenomenon, it's made it's way into the western church.
dcougle 4 years ago
My DVD is the result of my own search into scriptures to see what God's will is for my life and for the use of God's gifts that he has given to women. It is verse-by-verse exegesis of the hard passages of scripture. I have been given wonderful compliments for the loving attitude and the thought-provoking exegesis and these comments have been from godly men on the other side of the fence. This issue is not to divide the body of Christ, but to free women to use their gifts as God has given them.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
There's a reason why 1 cor 14:35 specifically says "LEARN" after it addresses silence. In order for you to divorce teaching from authority you have to, blatantly, abuse scripture.
I would encourage you to check out macarthur's new book called the truth war, he specifically deals with the abuses you are encouraging and even mentions a guy who devoted years to studying the greek related to this issue and it was made clear that the text meant what it says.
dcougle 4 years ago
Scripture is the authority and if you put the teacher as the authority, then the student will not be able to question. My son has John's book and he liked it a lot. I have nothing against John and agree with him on many things. This is a secondary issue that true Christians can differ. If John had correction for me he would have done so by now. My DVD is very kind and respectful to him. Did you watch the introduction?
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I agree with the others in terms of you having a liberal interpretation of scripture, as well. It is a very modern conception regarding women teachers/preachers, and is very closely tied to the feminist movement in society.
But let me go further, I'm willing to bet you have not actually listened to john macarthur's series that is misquoted in these videos, yet you are demanding others watch the whole videos.
dcougle 4 years ago
I have of course listened to all of MacArthur's series that are quoted. In fact I have permission from his organization to use the quotes and he was given a preview copy in the early spring 2006. The audio series has been posted on the internet by John's fans so it is easy to check the quotes and easy to order the tapes. They are not misquotes but John's audio tapes. Perhaps you should check your facts.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I agree that's what it says in 1 cor 11, that doesn't mean anything else you are saying is true. The teacher in a class room still pulls from external sources to teach the students, but they still teach with authority, in such a way as they know more and are recognized as knowing more than the students they are teaching. Why else would they be teaching them?
You're having to jump through hoops to avoid dealing with what is plainly in scripture.
dcougle 4 years ago
The teacher is the teacher, however they do not have authority. The scripture is the authority and the student has authority to test the teacher. In fact the student is REQUIRED to test all things.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
It seems necessary for you to twist words or just disregard bible passages altogether in order to justify your position. A lot of it comes back to the fact that the western church emulates the western society, so as western society becomes more feminist, it only makes sense that the western church would do so as well. The problem is, the church won't admit that.
dcougle 4 years ago
Uhh, she said, "then paul would be contradicting what he said in 1 corinthians 11" pertaining to women prophesying. Paul said nothing about women prophesying in 1 cor 11.
I wonder why people still can believe that a man should be over his wife and she should be submissive to him, but she can be over other wive's husbands as their pastor. That seems like a "contradiction" to me.
dcougle 4 years ago
I think you forgot to look at 1 Cor. 11:5. Also this DVD is about women teaching the bible to men. It is not about women being "over" men or men being "over" women. We are to serve in the body of Christ using our gifts. All of us are to serve and all of us are to use our gifts as God gives them.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Woops, I was looking at something else.
The idea that teaching is not having authority over is probably the silliest attempt to get around the bible in this whole debate. If you don't teach with "authority," then you don't teach, because the teacher/student relationship is always in the context of the teacher knowing more than the student. There's always an authority issue.
dcougle 4 years ago
So you do agree that 1 Cor. 11:5 has women prophesying? Good. No teacher is the authority. God's word is the authority and every student is required by God's word to test their teacher by the word of God.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Why do I watch to something is he plain heresy, I offer Bible verses and all you can offer is a video. This is a joke. And by the way to hold a position you do, would make you a liberal in the Christian. I am not going to let some false idea that has just alive in the last 50 years. How sad that chruches are letting Joyce Meyer take over big chruches. Would you accept Joyce Meyer as your preacher?
hehas100 4 years ago
What you have written doesn't make sense. If you would like to ask questions about bible verses this isn't the proper format. Go to my blog strivetoenter(DOT)com/wim and you can ask questions there. No I wouldn't accept Joyce Meyer as my Pastor as I have her on tape teaching that Jesus didn't fully pay for our sin on the cross. That is heresy.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Ok, I see we disagree on this issue and neither of us are going to change views on the position. But I think the main thing is that we both agree that salvation is by believing that Jesus Christ is Lord and payed for us on the cross
hehas100 4 years ago
Yes, we can disagree on the non-essentials, but on the essentials we agree. Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone because of Jesus Christ alone. His work on the cross paid for my sin and your sin. He is the one who brings both of us into the body of Christ and both of us are commanded to use our gifts for the common good of the body. We will be individually responsible to answer to Christ for what we do with his gifts.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
What do you mean the common gifts? Like women preaching? Which is plain heresy. The petencostely people say the same thing
hehas100 4 years ago
I didn't say "common gifts". I said that we are to use the gifts that the Holy Spirit has given us for the common good. 1 Corinthians 12:7
inhistime2007 4 years ago
We should pray for the elders of this ministry.
Another thing, this video is very disturbing - all it did is undermine scripture; like satan did with Eve when asked "did God really say.."
All true believers are part of God's priesthood, all born again Christians.
TruthWar 4 years ago
Yes, all true believers are part of God's priesthood and that includes the women. Those who deny this are not following God's word.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
Women are not to be int he pastoral or elder position. This is quite clear throughout the Bible. Men are to be leaders of the church. If you disagree find a single reference to a female pastor/elder or a single reference that gives qualifications for a female elder. The femenistic society we live in has corrupted the church to the extent that it chooses not to carefully examine God's word and that is very dangerous.
fatkovaos 4 years ago
Let me ask you to show me the name of a Gentile who was an elder. Tell me one name of a male that was a Pastor. Scripture does not limit the gifts of Pastor to Jews even though we can't find the name of a Gentile Pastor in the bible. We need to see what scripture says not what it doesn't say. In Christ, we are all one and all are filled with the Holy Spirit. He can call whomever he wants.
inhistime2007 4 years ago
I agree with fatkovaos, the Bible says woman is the weaker vessel. This video is plain heresy, people who don't take the Bible literally usally try and agrue that Christ accepts Homosexuals and other life styles.
hehas100 4 years ago
Please watch the introduction to the series and you will see that we not only take the bible literally but we believe that every word and every piece of grammar is inspired. Heresy is a very serious charge and should not be thrown around at will. I do not charge complementarians with heresy and the bible tells us that we are to judge with care. Where is the heresy?
inhistime2007 4 years ago