A living human individual's "spareness" does not determine its humanness. A "spare" human embryo is no different in any way, shape, or form from the non-spare. It is simply a developing human in early development. It should not be a commodity.
So should spare organs be thrown away instead of transplanted in a dieing man when someone passes. And no one ever anything about harvesting embryos from women other than you probably because it does not happen except in the demented little minds of peole desperate for a reason to prevent what could possibly be life saving research.
Helloooo, how do you make an embryo? sperm+ eggs, in vitro. 24 million diabetics, one disease, a couple of hundred thousand "spares", where are you going to get the rest.
Want to limit health care costs? What do you suppose it would cost to pull apart an ALIVE embryo, grow it in a few hundred dishes for 9 months or so, say 10,000 man hours to isolate LIVING pancreatic islet cells, package them for sale and injection?
Cost-prohibitive cannibalism, pushed for political gain.
When someone goes in for artificial insemination they take fertilize extras and store them in case the first attempt is a failure. If it is not a failure then those extras just sit there. Now the rest of that statement is bs. THey are still doing the research so there is no way for you to determine how much anything will cost and the laws to stop it were placed for political gain just as much as the laws to allow it. If there is a potential to cure paralysis why shouldn't they try.
And again more bs so you can have an excuse to be against it. They are doing what is called RESEARCH. That is when they test different ideas and methodologies to see if it is possible. You can't expect them to just magically make a cripple chimp stand up just by passing a sheet over it. It takes time to figure out how and even then they have to test and makes sure that there are no side effects and right now they are still trying to figure out if and how it can be done.
the big debate was stem cells coming from human embryo. It was about whether or not that its considered murder to grow them and use them in this manner. Also the other debate is whether or not embryo have souls. Basically and unprovable debate that goes nowhere.
@turgo82 no not debate, i meant what ddoes diabetes have to do with the stem cells. Hell if i could safe the lives of countless others im pretty sure id accept death. and hey, unborn babies get a free ticket to heaven right?
I think it has something to do with stem cells at a certain stage of development being able to become any other cell. Not much of a scientist so don't really know the specifics though.
a warning to all americans considering stem cell treatments in mexico. watch out for a con artist named frank morales MD. he stole thousands of dollars from my wife and i and anyone who would like more details please contact me.
this is wonderful news.. some people may oppose sc treatment, and even though cures from sc are years away it still gives people hope. the love of my life as been suffering from a sci for 4 years... it is news like this that gives us hope and keeps him fighting!!
'money better spent to treat people now' Just imagine if someone said something like that to Alexander Fleming or Louis Pasteur. Not saying this will change medicine the way their work did but how would you have responded if someone came up to you and talked about killing bacteria with bread mold.
I wouldn't equate a developing human with bacteria.
That's sort of what the nazis did, viewing jewish as less than human. Less developed does not mean less human. Is a newborn less human than an adult nobel peace prize winner?
No one is talking about a newborn and your comment has nothing to do with your original comment or my response. Your claim was that stem cell research's possible benefits being myth and then went on to say that they should spend money on current cures instead of research to save people they can do little for. I then commented on how such blind thinking could have prevented important discoveries in medicine if some idiot had only thought about money.
Do you realize that the bible says life begins with the first breath or is that one of the parts that you ignore unless it suits your needs. All life is sacred but should an embryo that is going to sit in a fridge until it is no longer possible to develop go to waste or should it be used to possibly help someone live a longer better life. Or do those people even matter since they are not embryos.
All medical discoveries to date have not involved the cannibalization of the youngest of our species.
Have you thought of the next step?
e.g. diabetes, suppose after years of research, many "spare" embryos are used up, and a treatment for diabetics using cells derived from embryos is conjured.
24 million diabetics in the US. Only a tiny fraction in embryos available. That's just one disease.
Cannibalization the act of devouring another of the same species. This is not cannibalism. WOuld you call the use of dead bodies cannibalism. Oh and you have yet to actually say anything related to my original comment. Is it because my original comment was to true for you to do anything but call people that do not agree with you evil. I believe that is a lot closer to what nazism actually was than anything I have said.
A living human individual's "spareness" does not determine its humanness. A "spare" human embryo is no different in any way, shape, or form from the non-spare. It is simply a developing human in early development. It should not be a commodity.
"A lie cannot live." Martin Luther King, Jr.
oran6es 2 years ago
So should spare organs be thrown away instead of transplanted in a dieing man when someone passes. And no one ever anything about harvesting embryos from women other than you probably because it does not happen except in the demented little minds of peole desperate for a reason to prevent what could possibly be life saving research.
olstar18 2 years ago
Helloooo, how do you make an embryo? sperm+ eggs, in vitro. 24 million diabetics, one disease, a couple of hundred thousand "spares", where are you going to get the rest.
Want to limit health care costs? What do you suppose it would cost to pull apart an ALIVE embryo, grow it in a few hundred dishes for 9 months or so, say 10,000 man hours to isolate LIVING pancreatic islet cells, package them for sale and injection?
Cost-prohibitive cannibalism, pushed for political gain.
oran6es 2 years ago
When someone goes in for artificial insemination they take fertilize extras and store them in case the first attempt is a failure. If it is not a failure then those extras just sit there. Now the rest of that statement is bs. THey are still doing the research so there is no way for you to determine how much anything will cost and the laws to stop it were placed for political gain just as much as the laws to allow it. If there is a potential to cure paralysis why shouldn't they try.
olstar18 2 years ago
How about proving a paralyzed chimp can walk using chimp embryonic cells 1st. If it works, make your own embryo.
I've seen more promising reports for treating paralysis using adult stem cells.
IF it works, how do you ration the embryos needed? Will you need embryo factories? I see many women undergoing unnecessary procedures.
oran6es 2 years ago
And again more bs so you can have an excuse to be against it. They are doing what is called RESEARCH. That is when they test different ideas and methodologies to see if it is possible. You can't expect them to just magically make a cripple chimp stand up just by passing a sheet over it. It takes time to figure out how and even then they have to test and makes sure that there are no side effects and right now they are still trying to figure out if and how it can be done.
olstar18 2 years ago
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oran6es 2 years ago
......and if you need MILLIONS of embryos, are you willing to harm millions of fertile women to harvest their eggs?
oran6es 2 years ago
what does diabetes have to do with stem cells?
jscoggins86 2 years ago
the big debate was stem cells coming from human embryo. It was about whether or not that its considered murder to grow them and use them in this manner. Also the other debate is whether or not embryo have souls. Basically and unprovable debate that goes nowhere.
turgo82 2 years ago
@turgo82 no not debate, i meant what ddoes diabetes have to do with the stem cells. Hell if i could safe the lives of countless others im pretty sure id accept death. and hey, unborn babies get a free ticket to heaven right?
jscoggins86 2 years ago
lol my bad. I think they could repair the pancreas or what ever is the cause. I hope stem cells are as promising as they seem. :)
turgo82 2 years ago
I think it has something to do with stem cells at a certain stage of development being able to become any other cell. Not much of a scientist so don't really know the specifics though.
olstar18 2 years ago
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a warning to all americans considering stem cell treatments in mexico. watch out for a con artist named frank morales MD. he stole thousands of dollars from my wife and i and anyone who would like more details please contact me.
callieland 2 years ago
this is wonderful news.. some people may oppose sc treatment, and even though cures from sc are years away it still gives people hope. the love of my life as been suffering from a sci for 4 years... it is news like this that gives us hope and keeps him fighting!!
jayme854 2 years ago
AWESOME NEWS!
ernimar56 2 years ago
This is huge !!! Geron, the Microsoft of stem cells
Bobby
8cru 2 years ago
Geron (GERN) will have human trials sometime very soon!!!
kodea15 2 years ago
This is pure media hype. Truth- no cures in sight.
Popular to promise cures. None exist.
California is broke. Investing in cannibalism is not wise. Money better spent to treat people now.
oran6es 2 years ago
'money better spent to treat people now' Just imagine if someone said something like that to Alexander Fleming or Louis Pasteur. Not saying this will change medicine the way their work did but how would you have responded if someone came up to you and talked about killing bacteria with bread mold.
olstar18 2 years ago
I wouldn't equate a developing human with bacteria.
That's sort of what the nazis did, viewing jewish as less than human. Less developed does not mean less human. Is a newborn less human than an adult nobel peace prize winner?
oran6es 2 years ago
No one is talking about a newborn and your comment has nothing to do with your original comment or my response. Your claim was that stem cell research's possible benefits being myth and then went on to say that they should spend money on current cures instead of research to save people they can do little for. I then commented on how such blind thinking could have prevented important discoveries in medicine if some idiot had only thought about money.
olstar18 2 years ago
Do you realize that the bible says life begins with the first breath or is that one of the parts that you ignore unless it suits your needs. All life is sacred but should an embryo that is going to sit in a fridge until it is no longer possible to develop go to waste or should it be used to possibly help someone live a longer better life. Or do those people even matter since they are not embryos.
olstar18 2 years ago
@olstar18
All medical discoveries to date have not involved the cannibalization of the youngest of our species.
Have you thought of the next step?
e.g. diabetes, suppose after years of research, many "spare" embryos are used up, and a treatment for diabetics using cells derived from embryos is conjured.
24 million diabetics in the US. Only a tiny fraction in embryos available. That's just one disease.
oran6es 2 years ago
Cannibalization the act of devouring another of the same species. This is not cannibalism. WOuld you call the use of dead bodies cannibalism. Oh and you have yet to actually say anything related to my original comment. Is it because my original comment was to true for you to do anything but call people that do not agree with you evil. I believe that is a lot closer to what nazism actually was than anything I have said.
olstar18 2 years ago
GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!
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