I have always wondered why anti- CHRIST? Why not anti - budda or anti - islam or whatever there are so many religions out there but everyone centers on CHRIST the all mighty! Hmmmm.....
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
@softsummernights he can already see that from heaven and from within our hearts. The CRUCIFIX is the image of the source of our salvation. The act being performed on the cross is our salvation being given to us. It is not dumb, it is holy.
@KAOSTHEBLAKWOLF The "sign of the cross" is not intend to be upside down. I doubt that has ever been the intent of any reverent Christian. The idea is to trace the cross on oneself to remind one that he has "been crucified with Christ..." (Gal 2:20). If the distances between forehead and the lowest point touched ("chest" as you say - but I hit around the bottom of my sternum) are disproportionate, I wouldn't go around impugning the intention. God knows the intent of both you and I.
I've wondered this recently...wen a catholic touches their head then chest then shoulders it creates an upside-down crusifix...why would you do that?? any info would be helpful......by the way keep the kiddie crap to urselves either answer me like a normal person or jus ignore my post
satan worshipers steal a Eucharist from a "Catholic mass" and defile it in a mock Roman ritual....what does that tell you? This is also very telling proof of the Churches potent weapons. Theses monsters don't mock, Mormons, Watchtowers, Baptists, Calvins, TV preachers, or any of the other 33.000 protestant churches in ritual...what does that tell you?
Thank you so much for your eloquent defense of the crucifix. The crucifix serves to remind me of the price Christ paid for my sins. And yes if knowing Christ crucified is good enough for the Apostle Paul, well I am in good company. Many of my Christian friends watch "The Passion of the Christ" and meditate on Christ's suffering. I do the same when I gaze upon my savior crucified. God bless you.
the crusifics especially ones showing jesus are idols you are not to have them. in the bible it says you are forbidden to have thongs that repersent anything in heaven.
I hope you mean "things". If not, then I'm stumped. Otherwise I seem to recall that the command was also against any created thing, yet God commands the fashioning of two angels for the ark (Ex 25:18) as well as other created things. Worship (latria) is the true sin, not fashioning.
this was Gods command of noha, not us, just as he made a law to stone people to death, which is also not done now. Jesus is God in the flesh you cant have anything depicting him. if God commands you to let me know.
@mrjdoggy I'm not sure I know what you mean. I love all of holy scripture. If I lack the intellect to grasp all of it, that is something you will need to take up with my creator. But I'll never use it to do evil or proclaim falsehood - by the grace of God. You are right to remind us that we must all take up our cross. Your cross must include showing charity toward knuckle-draggers like me ;)
@catholiccourage 'A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.' Forgive me my presumptious answer my friend. My answer was related to your answer to a comment below from followhimorlose, about fashioning 'things' representing heavenlies. I am also as fallible as any in the flesh, so I covet your forgiveness, and stand that the book of Hebrews when read with Holy Ghost assistance, will be a blessing to you, I'm sure. I hope your knuckle-dragging comment was sarcasm!
@mrjdoggy I'm sure you're a fine person who desires to please God in everything. If only "Holy Ghost assistance" was what you believe it is. Then all Christians of goodwill would never have disagreements about the meaning of Scripture - but that wasn't God's plan. Instead He gave us the Apostles and their successors to preserve and pass on the Truth. Even a cursory look at early Christian writings provides ample evidence that the (Catholic) Church teaches what the earliest Christians believed.
@catholiccourage If the account of man alone was enough to sustain us, we wouldn't be where we are today as a people. God gave us His Word, yet in scripture we find numerous references to 'oil for the lamp', "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." The 'oil' always refers to the Holy Spirit, so without petitioning God in prayer to guide us and reveal His Word to us through the Holy Spirit, all we're left with is the opinions and extractions of uninspired theologians.
@catholiccourage As far as your continual reference to the Catholic church, it's obvious that you refuse to believe, or read for that matter the scripture I suggest, so I offer a few excerpts for your benefit. Hebrews 10:11-12 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
@catholiccourage Heb. 7:23-28 because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
@catholiccourage Keep in my that my posts appear upside-down from last to first, so it will make sense best to read them from the bottom up. Another note, you speak of "evidence" of the church history. As a man of "faith" I often see you make reference to, I'm sure that you're familiar with Hebrews 11:1 'Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.' The rest of the world, scientific and philisophic seek evidence, God chuckles at our intellect.
@mrjdoggy Thanks for taking the time to comment and communicate your points. I'll try to address them one by one.
Regarding Hebrews' reference to the priesthood and sacrifice, The New Testament priest offers that once for all sacrifice that Hebrews speaks of as Malachi 1:11, a pure sacrifice. The old sacrificial system before Christ could only forgive unintentional violations against the Mosiac ceremonial law. And the writer of Hebrews says as much - that it can't take away sin...
@catholiccourage 1st Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, the Man Christ Jesus" ~Matthew 23:9 “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” __ If my sin is my refusal to turn my back on God and submit to men, than consider me the worst of sinners, I either throw away my bible, or throw away religion. My choice is made without blinking. Here I stand my brother, consider the limitations placed before you, and why.
Job calls himself father to poor - Job 29:16. God declares 2 give a fatherly role to Eliakim - IS. 22:20-21. Elisha cries, "My father!" to Elijah - 2Kgs 2:12. Stephen refers to "our father Abraham" - Acts 7:2. Paul speaks of "our father Isaac." - Romans 9:10. Christ is using hyperbole 2 show scribes & Pharisees how sinful & proud they were 4 not looking humbly to God as the source of authority , fatherhood, teaching, & instead setting themselves up as authorities, father figures & teachers
@mrjdoggy Job calls himself father to poor - Job 29:16. God declares 2 give a fatherly role to Eliakim - IS. 22:20-21. Elisha cries, "My father!" to Elijah - 2Kgs 2:12. Stephen refers to "our father Abraham" - Acts 7:2. Paul speaks of "our father Isaac." - Romans 9:10. Christ is using hyperbole 2 show scribes & Pharisees how sinful & proud they were 4 not looking humbly to God.
@mrjdoggy Jesus was AND offered this sacrifice once for all. The NT priest obeying Jesus command to "do this as a memorial..." re-presents the once-for-all Sacrifice - the true Lamb of God.
Next, your statements seem to minimize the role of reason in the life of faith. I too saw reason as the enemy of faith until I realized that every sermon in the NT is an appeal to reason and Romans 1 tells us that all of creation gives evidence of God's nature and attributes - leaving humanity without excuse.
@catholiccourage Evidence of God's existence and Hand in creation has nothing to do with faith unto salvation, so I don't even have to go into that, you should be ashamed of yourself for that reach. Do you consider me that ignorant? You dance well, but this isn't a ballroom, and in the courts of God's Word, you've danced yourself into a corner. You give precedence to man over God, you look past his word to a man, the rest of the world does that my friend, they just call it philosophy.
@mrjdoggy So I don't thing that Hebrews 11 is saying that faith is the Only evidence of the unseen world - or that would be in contradiction to Romans 1.
Regarding your statement of "uninspired theologians", I see it only two ways. You either are on your own trying to figure out the truth God reveals to the best of your human ability. Or you recognize that God has not left us as orphans. He has given us a sure way to know the truth...
@mrjdoggy It cannot be by personal inspiration or all the personally inspired would not vary so greatly in such important matters (like how one is saved). Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead us into ALL truth - so one must truth telling entity must be right and all those who disagree with her wrong. It could be you - but I can easily compare your interpretation of scripture with the beliefs of the earliest Christians who had the Apostles, that penned Scripture, as their shepherds...
@catholiccourage Is Christ divided? Your claiming the Holy Spirit would lead us all into truth is correct, so is not our failure to make our persons a dwelling place for Him obvious? Catholocism is the biggest Christo-centric religion in the world, right? Consider Matt. 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
@mrjdoggy There are few groups that can claim to have the same worship, teaching and structure as those early Christians. In fact, only one of those can claim to hold that apostolic succession that we see passed on in Acts while also holding the seat of Peter - the Catholic Church.
The difficulty with your situation is that Scripture, reason and history all clearly point that Jesus founded a hierarchical Church, that he promised would remain until he returns but it seems that of the three...
@catholiccourage If we need a man to come before God on our behalf, Christ died for nothing. Man is vain and covetous, and failed repeatedly at his attempt to present himself holy before God. So Christ died and is the PERFECT high priest, FOREVER. Heaven forbid that I spit on His blood and come to a fallible man to ask forgiveness, when I've been granted access to the throne room of God. Shall I turn aside from scripture's truth to a man's lies? What sounds more reasonable to you?
@mrjdoggy ... Scripture, reason and history, you have only chosen one and then added your best effort as the final arbiter to deduce the meaning of the first (Scripture). The only possible result is exactly what Luther and Calvin began - thousands of denominations, all "trying" their best to be faithful to God and sometimes Scripture (I speak refer to those too "enlightened" to see scripture as God's word) without being faithful to the primary mechanism God put in place to preserve the truth.
@catholiccourage You maintain two irrelevant constants, reason and history, I made the biblical definition of "faith" crystal clear, yet you grasp at straws. You dance well, so understand that it's not an acknowledgement of correction I seek, your conscience bears witness to your proud denial, to yourself louder than any. Your pride of knowledge refers to Luther, Calvin, none are my father. I have direct invitation to expoud scripture, which is why I choose loyalty to God over man, unlike you
@mrjdoggy I have no doubt of your sincerity. The problem is that the Catholic Church is the only logical choice, yet the enemy has had 2000 years to perfect his smear campaign against the truest voice of God on this earth. You seem to have fallen prey to his whiles - your quoting Hebrews is case and point. The Church agrees that their is only one sacrifice and celebrates (and relives it) it in every mass "from the rising of the sun until it's going down" - yet the liar has told you otherwise. D.
@catholiccourage Then you call the bible 'the liar' because it's only biblical scripture quoted, and what it says speaks directly against human priesthood, Let me break it down even futher for you then "Unlike the other high priests, HE DOES NOT NEED TO OFFER SACRIFICES DAY AFTER DAY, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. AND Day after day EVERY PRIEST stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can NEVER TAKE AWAY SINS.'
Everybody has fun discussing this theme in theological terms. But when I look at a crucifix I wonder if humankind has lost it. Sick people, the pseudo-christians. What they call worship has a different name where I come from. It's called being accomplice to a homicide. He died for you, now you do something for him. Help the man down, set him free and burn all the freakin crosses. The symbol of the church of Love is a torture instrument? Rome is a bitch and Christ was murdered. By all of you!
I'm uncertain of your point 333, but we Christians should never see Christ death as a mere historical event. It was the evil of the human race raised up against the pure goodness and truth of God. When confronted with God's goodness and truth, our reaction is often to shut up the messenger.
This is a common misconception. There were several Bibles in the vernacular that were approved by the Church. The Gutenberg Bible was a Catholic Bible. The reason most Bibles were in Latin is the same reason Ctholic Churches have stained glass, stations of the cross, etc. Prior to the printing press very few people had the means to afford a hand-copied bible (or any other book). Reading = highly educated = Latin proficiency.
Oh please, The reformation is the reason we have and english translation and not latin. GErman, because of luther..They wanted the people to read the word and not be supressed and have someone else interpreted for them...
The word was printed by books and distributed by contraband because the church tried to supress it...From what I remember the church doesnt even have bibles in the church..I wonder what they are trying to keep from the people...
But dont feel bad, the catholic church always finds a way to supress the word. It has the power to do whatever it pleases, even to change the word. And when it has control of the world, there will be death, worse than the dark ages.
So you don't have a reliable version of the Bible? If you do it's because the Church preserved it for 15 centuries. If you don't then how can you know anything about God?
Those rites were done away with at the cross. Simply because those sacrafacises pointed to the ultimate sacrafice of Jesus that now mediates for our sins, not mary, We pray for forgiveness in the name of Jesus...He is our high priest, just like the earthly temple when he accended into heaven....
NOw would you think twice if I showed you more than just one verse, and weigh the evidence and see what the Bible says in an overall view?
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
If it were only like that with all the catholic believers...I know some of my family have more faith in the saints on little crosses or things like that than more faith on what they cannot see, which is God.
As you well know, "God sees the heart". Don't let the devil get you caught up in judging the intentions of others. Correct others based on their actions. The video is to show that this action is an objectively good act. Just like if we saw someone feeding a starving person, we must not judge but be glad that good - which imitates God - is being done. Like someone said, "I can know for certain the evil intentions in me, while I can only guess them in others. Therefore assume the best in others."
I guess what i really wanted to get across is that what would you see as different between mary idols or worshiping the cross from the golden calf....
That's just silly. Stutues of Mary are no more idols than the statues of angels God commanded for the temple. Additionally, Catholics reverence for the cross is not worship (latria). God alone is to be worshiped and I challenge you to find one Catholic who worships either the cross or Mary as God.
The ark of the covenant is not with here today...The temple represented the heavenly temple, it was an exact reproduction of the heavenly temple...God dwelled on the ark, he was there, Smoke, fire, you would die in the precesce. The definately werent bowing down to it. Aditionally, God ONLY dwelled in the temple and NOT on copies, for example mary and saits...
I sincerely hope you would consider the merits of the Catholic position instead of dismissing them out-of-hand. The Catholic Church predates any other Christian group and I believe this is the institution Jesus founded - of which He said "I will build my Church..."
we can believe alot of things but the truth will be the truth.There r good catholic people & good deeds.I was catholic
The Israelites were also the people of God.But guess what,the devil knows that and he infiltrates to where it becomes lifeless traditions of men just like the Jews,they rejected Jesus and his ministry.lets look at the foundational teachings of Christ.His apostles.The church was persecuted from the start.and they will always be.History tells us how the catholic church came to be
Jesus most likely spoke this in Aramaic which has no difference between rock and stone. Even if in Greek, he couldn't very well use the feminine for Peter's name. Many non-Catholics acknowledge both of these points. You seem to know all the anti-catholic rhetoric but nothing about Catholicism or the Bible except from those who persecute the Church.
Paul reads in ACTS 20:25-35 its awsome, lets read it... 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in AMONG you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of YOUR OWN selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, ItLets remember the dark ages and inquisition and persecutions.And finally the reformation...
But when people started to serve and worshipped it by offering incense, King Hezekiah broke it into pieces. (2 King 18:4)
No matter how you deny it, truth will still prevail.. If you are not worshipping or even bowing to a statue then why are you offering flowers into those statue??
Well, answer the following for me: A young man approaches the statue of Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima at the Marine Corps War Memorial. His dad died serving his country as a marine. He loved his father very much...
... He kneels down in front of the statue and calls to memory his heroic and loving father. He says "Dad, I miss you. Can you put in a good word for me up their?" He places a bouquet on the statue and kisses his own hand and places it on the statue for a moment remembering not only his father but all those who fought for peace and freedom.
Do you think that Catholics worship the wood and ceramic of our devotional crucifixes? Or do we worship Jesus whom we love for hanging on the real cross? If you think the former, you are very confused and see only darkness even when there is great beauty to see in the light.
1 Corinthians 3:16 - Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's spirit lives in you?
God are not interested of what your bringing in a statue because He is not a statue, He is a spirit.. He is interested with you own heart..
You may appear to be good to him on the outside but in the inside you are full of hypocrisy.. And the Lord knows that because He's spirit is living inside in the heart of those who made Him their Lord and Savior..
The implication here is that we shouldn't have any kind of images or statues. You would think that statues would be even more prohibited in religious settings. But to the contrary, God COMMANDS the creation of religious statues for the temple! See Ex. 25:15, ; 38:7; Num. 21:8-9; 1 Chron. 28:18-19; 2 Chron. 3:10.
BUT THERE ARE GRAVEN IMAGE MADE DURING THE OLD TESTAMENT
• There were two cherubs made but nothing said about bowing before them. (Exodus 25:17-22)
• The bronze snake made by Moses was only for one purpose -- that those who were bitten by a snake and would looked up at the bronze snake will be healed. (Numbers 21:80
But when people started to serve and worshipped it by offering incense, King Hezekiah broke it into pieces. (2 King 18:4)
There is bowing as a sign of reverence and bowing to worship. There are several instances in scripture of bowing as a sign of reverence. God condemns and prohibits false worship (latria), not reverence. The seraphim were on the ark and you can believe the ark was reverenced.
Come on!! You are just so very good in defending your religion.. That's what the scripture told us already, not to bow down to any statue but you are still looking for ways to make it right..
Why don't you just submit to God and HIs words and not to defend your religion..
Paul is not saying what you are trying to interpret. You are way off my friend! Did you read all of 1 Cor 2: 1-5? Verse 5 explains a lot to me about the Catholic faith, they put much, if not all of their faith in their priest, who by the way is not a saved man! Do you have any idea what that circle means around that crucifix? Why is it that Christ is ALWAYS portrayed as being dead in the RCC? He is dead on the cross, dead in the wafer, dead in the music, dead in the statues! He is dead in the RC
We must be careful not to jump to conclusions - and you, my friend, are a jumper ;) "I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified" (1 Corinthians 2:2). If it's good enough for St. Paul, it's good enough for me!
of course it's good enough for you! jump to conclusions?? LOL, The Case IS Closed :) The Verdict is out!!! Everyone who is truly saved and a bible believer knows what the RCC is..Except the people still involved with this Spiritually Oppressed Religion... jump to conclusions?!?! roflmao!!!!!!!!!!!
I see, I shouldn't confuse the issue by quoting scripture - or worse - expecting you to recognize the application which is that the Catholic Church's preoccupation with Jesus Christ crucified is 100% consistent w/ scripture and those who oppose it do so for personal, not scriptural reasons.
I'm a protestant and I wear a small crucifix necklace around my neck. The cross itself is gold and the body of Christ is silver. It was a present to me from my parents who are ministers. I've recieved alot of compliments on it from both protestants and Catholics alike, but it seems to offend some protestants. I simply tell them that I wear this to remind me of the sacrifice that the Lord paid for my sins and that in honor of that I should live a holy and righteous life before him.
Ex.20:4,5 JB ( YEAH YOUR STILL BLINDED FROM THE TRUTH ) I WAS AT A VERY YOUNG AGE WHEN I REALIZED THAT CATHOLICISM IS A COUNTERFEIT RELIGION IT S TEACHING IS FROM SATAN
So you're saying that the early Christian rejected the Crucifix because its shape is similar to another shape that pagans used? While I know a lot of people would like a cross-less Christianity, the Church has never rejected the cross, only some of its less courageous members.
I must admit that adopting the cross, the 25th of December as Christmas, Sunday as holy day and other pagan related celebrations, is indeed an act of courage. But it would be more courageous if you question them and reject them.
Islam orders people to break with old beliefs and question them.
the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; they but IMITATE what the unbelievers of OLD USED TO SAY. Al-Qur'an, 009.030
Beautiful historical fact, rediscovered lately by historians.
002.256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
But it's forbidden to speak filth and throw lies to misguide people, after leaving Islam. Q - What is the penalty of Steeling and rape according to christianity?
In answer to your question: Q - What is the penalty of Steeling and rape according to christianity?.. To steal and to rape are to break Commandment's #'s 6 and 7, of the Ten Commandment's. As a Catholic, I believe that if you break any one of the Commandments (a mortal sin), you destroy the life of grace in your soul. This means that until you repent of your sins, you are damned to Hell.
". This means that until you repent of your sins, you are damned to Hell."
I want to make sure, that I'm speaking of someone who believes in Jesus died on the cross for the sins of man. So For this man, Jesus died for nothing because he would be in Hell for breaking the commandments of God, what is the use of the sacrificial death then, if you are still to be put in hell for your sins?
I'm not sure what you mean. It's been called a cross for at least 2000 years. I think 2000 years of common linguistic use would impress even Webster himself.
The Greek word rendered "cross" in many modern Bible versions("torture stake"in NW)is stauros'. In classical Greek ,this word meant merely an upright stake,or pale.
Yes! Of course we should flee from Idolatry - it's a serious sin. Veneration is not idolatry any more than enjoying a painting or picture of a loved one. If you think what Catholics do is idolatry, maybe you should define idolatry for me.
i do have pictures of loved ones but i dont worship it Jesus taught us to love one another not worship one another or worship any graven images ,if you had a friend who was shot and killed would you then walk around carrying a gun,? because you walking around with a cross would be the same thing
Catholics don't worship idols BTW; it's not good to repeat LIES :)...lest we forget false accusations are a huge lack of CHRISTIAN CHARITY of which our Lord demands; LOVE thy neighbor- yeah he meant that :)
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Jesus, the 5' 10" caucasion that you worship never existed. You live life in homage to Cinderella. A fairy tale. Nobody's home. No - bod - dy! Wake up, stop enabling the pedophiles. Stop spinning your fantasy stories in hopes of dulling the minds of children.
1 Cor. 2:2 shows the laid down life. Paul had always talked about dying to ones self. The cross was ALWAYS a pagan symbol of sun worship. You can dress a pig in it´s Sunday best, but it is still a pig. Glorifies the Father ? Living the laid down life of sacrifice is what is noble and good and glorifies the Father. The cross was the means to the end, but not to be worshiped. Believers would not entertain such filth in their homes. Think about it !!
" But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world." Galatians 6:14
Not sure what translation you use, but the word ¨glory¨is defined as boasting. If you read the context of the previous verses, Paul was admonishing the congregation not to boast in works but in the faith of our Lord Jesus that he died that horrible death so we may live. V.15 shows the scars are the visible proof that we have walked away from our sins.
I failed to mention the second reason why many non-Catholic Christians shun the crucifix and that's simply because it's so Catholic and the fear of man is not easily subordinated.
I believe you are referring to the text "cursed is anyone who hangs on a tree" How this makes a cross or a tree "a curse" does not make sense to me. Yes he took on the punishment that was due us. It makes sense to meditate on the cross. That is my point.
ZOMBIES,SADOMASOCHISM,CONSPIRACY,ANCIENT ALIENS,MIND CONTROL,PAGANISM,REPTILIAN HUMANOIDS.
Old Testament is all about the ALIENS
New Testament is all about the upcoming ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE
including VAMPIRES on all levels because there's Power in the BLOOD.
cyberrouge2 7 months ago
I have always wondered why anti- CHRIST? Why not anti - budda or anti - islam or whatever there are so many religions out there but everyone centers on CHRIST the all mighty! Hmmmm.....
Cleatusbodean 8 months ago
@325nicaea lol
Exaltedisthecreator 8 months ago
Brother, be careful, very very careful.
thundersteel111 9 months ago
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
It is NOT God's will you make crucifix's.
Exaltedisthecreator 11 months ago
@softsummernights he can already see that from heaven and from within our hearts. The CRUCIFIX is the image of the source of our salvation. The act being performed on the cross is our salvation being given to us. It is not dumb, it is holy.
willthacheerleader18 11 months ago
Great video.
redbaron998 1 year ago
wow......well spoken brother......whoever speak against against the crucifix is from the devil coz he dreads the cross
MrManojcalm 1 year ago
@KAOSTHEBLAKWOLF The "sign of the cross" is not intend to be upside down. I doubt that has ever been the intent of any reverent Christian. The idea is to trace the cross on oneself to remind one that he has "been crucified with Christ..." (Gal 2:20). If the distances between forehead and the lowest point touched ("chest" as you say - but I hit around the bottom of my sternum) are disproportionate, I wouldn't go around impugning the intention. God knows the intent of both you and I.
catholiccourage 1 year ago
I've wondered this recently...wen a catholic touches their head then chest then shoulders it creates an upside-down crusifix...why would you do that?? any info would be helpful......by the way keep the kiddie crap to urselves either answer me like a normal person or jus ignore my post
KAOSTHEBLAKWOLF 1 year ago
Very nice presentation...
pepper72375 2 years ago
Ldb29corn - Dont forget, we also eat flesh and drink blood. Dont stop there!
Snotra 2 years ago
why do you like the image of the cross? idk because your sadomassochistic? weirdos
Ldb29corn 2 years ago
Christianlce - ...and you told yourself you exist.
Snotra 2 years ago
God exists.
Santa told me.
ChristianIce 2 years ago
satan worshipers steal a Eucharist from a "Catholic mass" and defile it in a mock Roman ritual....what does that tell you? This is also very telling proof of the Churches potent weapons. Theses monsters don't mock, Mormons, Watchtowers, Baptists, Calvins, TV preachers, or any of the other 33.000 protestant churches in ritual...what does that tell you?
Snotra 2 years ago
Crucifix is my antenna!
Snotra 2 years ago
crucifix is a torture device, why are you obsessed with you it? do you LOVE torture?
Ldb29corn 2 years ago
The Devil hates the Crucifix and the Ave Maria.
santoscidadao 2 years ago
the Devil, ha, you're nuts. get a life or swatstika, either one will suite you
Ldb29corn 2 years ago
Thank you so much for your eloquent defense of the crucifix. The crucifix serves to remind me of the price Christ paid for my sins. And yes if knowing Christ crucified is good enough for the Apostle Paul, well I am in good company. Many of my Christian friends watch "The Passion of the Christ" and meditate on Christ's suffering. I do the same when I gaze upon my savior crucified. God bless you.
chabelo2000 2 years ago
its not the crusifix that makes the devil crazy..its your FAITH and your Commitmend to Jesus that scares satan.
not trough Mariah, not trough a crusifix but trough totaly commitmend to Jesus Christ & Faith..with all that is in you.
no one comes to The father then trough Jesus Christ
jacolijne79 2 years ago
I like this guy, your smart and have alot of Intelligents.
Followerofchrist15 2 years ago
the crusifics especially ones showing jesus are idols you are not to have them. in the bible it says you are forbidden to have thongs that repersent anything in heaven.
followhimorlose 2 years ago
I hope you mean "things". If not, then I'm stumped. Otherwise I seem to recall that the command was also against any created thing, yet God commands the fashioning of two angels for the ark (Ex 25:18) as well as other created things. Worship (latria) is the true sin, not fashioning.
catholiccourage 2 years ago
this was Gods command of noha, not us, just as he made a law to stone people to death, which is also not done now. Jesus is God in the flesh you cant have anything depicting him. if God commands you to let me know.
followhimorlose 2 years ago
But can we make statues if we have permission from God?
flameboy1236 2 years ago
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mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@mrjdoggy I'm not sure I know what you mean. I love all of holy scripture. If I lack the intellect to grasp all of it, that is something you will need to take up with my creator. But I'll never use it to do evil or proclaim falsehood - by the grace of God. You are right to remind us that we must all take up our cross. Your cross must include showing charity toward knuckle-draggers like me ;)
catholiccourage 1 year ago
@catholiccourage 'A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.' Forgive me my presumptious answer my friend. My answer was related to your answer to a comment below from followhimorlose, about fashioning 'things' representing heavenlies. I am also as fallible as any in the flesh, so I covet your forgiveness, and stand that the book of Hebrews when read with Holy Ghost assistance, will be a blessing to you, I'm sure. I hope your knuckle-dragging comment was sarcasm!
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@mrjdoggy I'm sure you're a fine person who desires to please God in everything. If only "Holy Ghost assistance" was what you believe it is. Then all Christians of goodwill would never have disagreements about the meaning of Scripture - but that wasn't God's plan. Instead He gave us the Apostles and their successors to preserve and pass on the Truth. Even a cursory look at early Christian writings provides ample evidence that the (Catholic) Church teaches what the earliest Christians believed.
catholiccourage 1 year ago
@catholiccourage If the account of man alone was enough to sustain us, we wouldn't be where we are today as a people. God gave us His Word, yet in scripture we find numerous references to 'oil for the lamp', "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." The 'oil' always refers to the Holy Spirit, so without petitioning God in prayer to guide us and reveal His Word to us through the Holy Spirit, all we're left with is the opinions and extractions of uninspired theologians.
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@catholiccourage As far as your continual reference to the Catholic church, it's obvious that you refuse to believe, or read for that matter the scripture I suggest, so I offer a few excerpts for your benefit. Hebrews 10:11-12 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@catholiccourage Heb. 7:23-28 because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@catholiccourage Keep in my that my posts appear upside-down from last to first, so it will make sense best to read them from the bottom up. Another note, you speak of "evidence" of the church history. As a man of "faith" I often see you make reference to, I'm sure that you're familiar with Hebrews 11:1 'Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.' The rest of the world, scientific and philisophic seek evidence, God chuckles at our intellect.
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@mrjdoggy Thanks for taking the time to comment and communicate your points. I'll try to address them one by one.
Regarding Hebrews' reference to the priesthood and sacrifice, The New Testament priest offers that once for all sacrifice that Hebrews speaks of as Malachi 1:11, a pure sacrifice. The old sacrificial system before Christ could only forgive unintentional violations against the Mosiac ceremonial law. And the writer of Hebrews says as much - that it can't take away sin...
catholiccourage 1 year ago
@catholiccourage 1st Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, the Man Christ Jesus" ~Matthew 23:9 “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” __ If my sin is my refusal to turn my back on God and submit to men, than consider me the worst of sinners, I either throw away my bible, or throw away religion. My choice is made without blinking. Here I stand my brother, consider the limitations placed before you, and why.
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
Job calls himself father to poor - Job 29:16. God declares 2 give a fatherly role to Eliakim - IS. 22:20-21. Elisha cries, "My father!" to Elijah - 2Kgs 2:12. Stephen refers to "our father Abraham" - Acts 7:2. Paul speaks of "our father Isaac." - Romans 9:10. Christ is using hyperbole 2 show scribes & Pharisees how sinful & proud they were 4 not looking humbly to God as the source of authority , fatherhood, teaching, & instead setting themselves up as authorities, father figures & teachers
baredd79 1 year ago
@baredd79 Couldn't have said it better myself!
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
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@mrjdoggy Job calls himself father to poor - Job 29:16. God declares 2 give a fatherly role to Eliakim - IS. 22:20-21. Elisha cries, "My father!" to Elijah - 2Kgs 2:12. Stephen refers to "our father Abraham" - Acts 7:2. Paul speaks of "our father Isaac." - Romans 9:10. Christ is using hyperbole 2 show scribes & Pharisees how sinful & proud they were 4 not looking humbly to God.
willthacheerleader18 11 months ago
@mrjdoggy Jesus was AND offered this sacrifice once for all. The NT priest obeying Jesus command to "do this as a memorial..." re-presents the once-for-all Sacrifice - the true Lamb of God.
Next, your statements seem to minimize the role of reason in the life of faith. I too saw reason as the enemy of faith until I realized that every sermon in the NT is an appeal to reason and Romans 1 tells us that all of creation gives evidence of God's nature and attributes - leaving humanity without excuse.
catholiccourage 1 year ago
@catholiccourage Evidence of God's existence and Hand in creation has nothing to do with faith unto salvation, so I don't even have to go into that, you should be ashamed of yourself for that reach. Do you consider me that ignorant? You dance well, but this isn't a ballroom, and in the courts of God's Word, you've danced yourself into a corner. You give precedence to man over God, you look past his word to a man, the rest of the world does that my friend, they just call it philosophy.
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@mrjdoggy So I don't thing that Hebrews 11 is saying that faith is the Only evidence of the unseen world - or that would be in contradiction to Romans 1.
Regarding your statement of "uninspired theologians", I see it only two ways. You either are on your own trying to figure out the truth God reveals to the best of your human ability. Or you recognize that God has not left us as orphans. He has given us a sure way to know the truth...
catholiccourage 1 year ago
@mrjdoggy It cannot be by personal inspiration or all the personally inspired would not vary so greatly in such important matters (like how one is saved). Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead us into ALL truth - so one must truth telling entity must be right and all those who disagree with her wrong. It could be you - but I can easily compare your interpretation of scripture with the beliefs of the earliest Christians who had the Apostles, that penned Scripture, as their shepherds...
catholiccourage 1 year ago
@catholiccourage Is Christ divided? Your claiming the Holy Spirit would lead us all into truth is correct, so is not our failure to make our persons a dwelling place for Him obvious? Catholocism is the biggest Christo-centric religion in the world, right? Consider Matt. 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@mrjdoggy There are few groups that can claim to have the same worship, teaching and structure as those early Christians. In fact, only one of those can claim to hold that apostolic succession that we see passed on in Acts while also holding the seat of Peter - the Catholic Church.
The difficulty with your situation is that Scripture, reason and history all clearly point that Jesus founded a hierarchical Church, that he promised would remain until he returns but it seems that of the three...
catholiccourage 1 year ago
@catholiccourage If we need a man to come before God on our behalf, Christ died for nothing. Man is vain and covetous, and failed repeatedly at his attempt to present himself holy before God. So Christ died and is the PERFECT high priest, FOREVER. Heaven forbid that I spit on His blood and come to a fallible man to ask forgiveness, when I've been granted access to the throne room of God. Shall I turn aside from scripture's truth to a man's lies? What sounds more reasonable to you?
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@mrjdoggy ... Scripture, reason and history, you have only chosen one and then added your best effort as the final arbiter to deduce the meaning of the first (Scripture). The only possible result is exactly what Luther and Calvin began - thousands of denominations, all "trying" their best to be faithful to God and sometimes Scripture (I speak refer to those too "enlightened" to see scripture as God's word) without being faithful to the primary mechanism God put in place to preserve the truth.
catholiccourage 1 year ago
@catholiccourage You maintain two irrelevant constants, reason and history, I made the biblical definition of "faith" crystal clear, yet you grasp at straws. You dance well, so understand that it's not an acknowledgement of correction I seek, your conscience bears witness to your proud denial, to yourself louder than any. Your pride of knowledge refers to Luther, Calvin, none are my father. I have direct invitation to expoud scripture, which is why I choose loyalty to God over man, unlike you
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
@mrjdoggy I have no doubt of your sincerity. The problem is that the Catholic Church is the only logical choice, yet the enemy has had 2000 years to perfect his smear campaign against the truest voice of God on this earth. You seem to have fallen prey to his whiles - your quoting Hebrews is case and point. The Church agrees that their is only one sacrifice and celebrates (and relives it) it in every mass "from the rising of the sun until it's going down" - yet the liar has told you otherwise. D.
catholiccourage 1 year ago
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@catholiccourage Then you call the bible 'the liar' because it's only biblical scripture quoted, and what it says speaks directly against human priesthood, Let me break it down even futher for you then "Unlike the other high priests, HE DOES NOT NEED TO OFFER SACRIFICES DAY AFTER DAY, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. AND Day after day EVERY PRIEST stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can NEVER TAKE AWAY SINS.'
mrjdoggy 1 year ago
Everybody has fun discussing this theme in theological terms. But when I look at a crucifix I wonder if humankind has lost it. Sick people, the pseudo-christians. What they call worship has a different name where I come from. It's called being accomplice to a homicide. He died for you, now you do something for him. Help the man down, set him free and burn all the freakin crosses. The symbol of the church of Love is a torture instrument? Rome is a bitch and Christ was murdered. By all of you!
333vasco 3 years ago
I'm uncertain of your point 333, but we Christians should never see Christ death as a mere historical event. It was the evil of the human race raised up against the pure goodness and truth of God. When confronted with God's goodness and truth, our reaction is often to shut up the messenger.
dwegner 3 years ago
catholic courage, thank God for the reformers he brought up so you can read YOUR english Bible and have the courage to say what you do.
sixandafter 3 years ago
This is a common misconception. There were several Bibles in the vernacular that were approved by the Church. The Gutenberg Bible was a Catholic Bible. The reason most Bibles were in Latin is the same reason Ctholic Churches have stained glass, stations of the cross, etc. Prior to the printing press very few people had the means to afford a hand-copied bible (or any other book). Reading = highly educated = Latin proficiency.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
Oh please, The reformation is the reason we have and english translation and not latin. GErman, because of luther..They wanted the people to read the word and not be supressed and have someone else interpreted for them...
The word was printed by books and distributed by contraband because the church tried to supress it...From what I remember the church doesnt even have bibles in the church..I wonder what they are trying to keep from the people...
sixandafter 3 years ago
The facts say otherwise. Go to your local protestant university and ask them. This is not some obscure bit of information.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
But dont feel bad, the catholic church always finds a way to supress the word. It has the power to do whatever it pleases, even to change the word. And when it has control of the world, there will be death, worse than the dark ages.
sixandafter 3 years ago
So you don't have a reliable version of the Bible? If you do it's because the Church preserved it for 15 centuries. If you don't then how can you know anything about God?
catholiccourage 3 years ago
Exodus 25:15 38:7 are talking about staves...
Again the ark of the covenant, no one could see, because it was the precesce of God, God dwelled with Israel.
sixandafter 3 years ago
Do not make...
Do not bow...
Do not serve...
sixandafter 3 years ago
If I showed you a Bible verse where God commanded the erecting of statues to be used in a place of worship, would you think twice?
catholiccourage 3 years ago
It would be the beginnig of a study, yes..
go ahead...
sixandafter 3 years ago
To be brief, God COMMANDS the creation of religious statues for the temple! See Ex. 25:15, ; 38:7; Num. 21:8-9; 1 Chron. 28:18-19; 2 Chron. 3:10.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
Those rites were done away with at the cross. Simply because those sacrafacises pointed to the ultimate sacrafice of Jesus that now mediates for our sins, not mary, We pray for forgiveness in the name of Jesus...He is our high priest, just like the earthly temple when he accended into heaven....
NOw would you think twice if I showed you more than just one verse, and weigh the evidence and see what the Bible says in an overall view?
sixandafter 3 years ago
The serpent on the cross is a forshadow of Jesus, the one than would be made a curse of take all the sins of the world upon him.
sixandafter 3 years ago
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
sixandafter 3 years ago
If it were only like that with all the catholic believers...I know some of my family have more faith in the saints on little crosses or things like that than more faith on what they cannot see, which is God.
sixandafter 3 years ago
As you well know, "God sees the heart". Don't let the devil get you caught up in judging the intentions of others. Correct others based on their actions. The video is to show that this action is an objectively good act. Just like if we saw someone feeding a starving person, we must not judge but be glad that good - which imitates God - is being done. Like someone said, "I can know for certain the evil intentions in me, while I can only guess them in others. Therefore assume the best in others."
catholiccourage 3 years ago
I guess what i really wanted to get across is that what would you see as different between mary idols or worshiping the cross from the golden calf....
sixandafter 3 years ago
That's just silly. Stutues of Mary are no more idols than the statues of angels God commanded for the temple. Additionally, Catholics reverence for the cross is not worship (latria). God alone is to be worshiped and I challenge you to find one Catholic who worships either the cross or Mary as God.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
Do you mean the ark of the covenant?
The ark of the covenant is not with here today...The temple represented the heavenly temple, it was an exact reproduction of the heavenly temple...God dwelled on the ark, he was there, Smoke, fire, you would die in the precesce. The definately werent bowing down to it. Aditionally, God ONLY dwelled in the temple and NOT on copies, for example mary and saits...
Now lets take a look at the verses below....
sixandafter 3 years ago
I sincerely hope you would consider the merits of the Catholic position instead of dismissing them out-of-hand. The Catholic Church predates any other Christian group and I believe this is the institution Jesus founded - of which He said "I will build my Church..."
catholiccourage 3 years ago
we can believe alot of things but the truth will be the truth.There r good catholic people & good deeds.I was catholic
The Israelites were also the people of God.But guess what,the devil knows that and he infiltrates to where it becomes lifeless traditions of men just like the Jews,they rejected Jesus and his ministry.lets look at the foundational teachings of Christ.His apostles.The church was persecuted from the start.and they will always be.History tells us how the catholic church came to be
sixandafter 3 years ago
brother are you refering to matthew 16:18
Jesus built his chuch upon the foundation of the ROCK which is Christ, himself.
Lets read it closely...Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? this is Jesus speaking of himself..
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Read Mat 16:17 and 18
Additionally Peter is a translation of PETROS which means piedra STONE...not the Rock..
sixandafter 3 years ago
Jesus most likely spoke this in Aramaic which has no difference between rock and stone. Even if in Greek, he couldn't very well use the feminine for Peter's name. Many non-Catholics acknowledge both of these points. You seem to know all the anti-catholic rhetoric but nothing about Catholicism or the Bible except from those who persecute the Church.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
""""You seem to know all the anti-catholic rhetoric but nothing about Catholicism or the Bible except from those who persecute the Church.""""
COmmon man, I mean common, I might know anti catholic like you put it, but the Bible...common, be gentle..
sixandafter 3 years ago
Paul reads in ACTS 20:25-35 its awsome, lets read it... 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in AMONG you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of YOUR OWN selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
sixandafter 3 years ago
Sounds like Luther (Lutheranism), Calvin (Calvinism). Jesus founded one Church and it wasn't in the 1500s.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
How do you come to lutheranism or calvinism, do you even know what that is?
Paul speaks about his generation not the 1500s. He speaks of apostacy within the church.
sixandafter 3 years ago
33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, ItLets remember the dark ages and inquisition and persecutions.And finally the reformation...
sixandafter 3 years ago
These don't seem related. BTW: my pastor makes $21,000/year for the privilege of bringing Jesus to his flock in word and sacrament.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
Catholics have, an empty cross (represents risen Christ) and the crucified cross (represents of what he done for us all)..
truthisbetter 3 years ago
But when people started to serve and worshipped it by offering incense, King Hezekiah broke it into pieces. (2 King 18:4)
No matter how you deny it, truth will still prevail.. If you are not worshipping or even bowing to a statue then why are you offering flowers into those statue??
Isn't it offering which God forbids??
harryjones03 3 years ago 2
Well, answer the following for me: A young man approaches the statue of Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima at the Marine Corps War Memorial. His dad died serving his country as a marine. He loved his father very much...
catholiccourage 3 years ago
... He kneels down in front of the statue and calls to memory his heroic and loving father. He says "Dad, I miss you. Can you put in a good word for me up their?" He places a bouquet on the statue and kisses his own hand and places it on the statue for a moment remembering not only his father but all those who fought for peace and freedom.
Has this man committed idolatry?
catholiccourage 3 years ago
of course not because his dad is not God himself.. Why are you pertaining his dad to a God when he is not..
And by the way, what's the use of offering flowers to those statue showing your affection to God if God is not a stone..
John 4:24 - God is a spirit and His worshippers must worship in spirit and in truth..
Why would you brought flowers to that statue if the spirit of GOd is not in that statue.. Just a useless thing!!
harryjones03 3 years ago
Do you think that Catholics worship the wood and ceramic of our devotional crucifixes? Or do we worship Jesus whom we love for hanging on the real cross? If you think the former, you are very confused and see only darkness even when there is great beauty to see in the light.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
1 Corinthians 3:16 - Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's spirit lives in you?
God are not interested of what your bringing in a statue because He is not a statue, He is a spirit.. He is interested with you own heart..
You may appear to be good to him on the outside but in the inside you are full of hypocrisy.. And the Lord knows that because He's spirit is living inside in the heart of those who made Him their Lord and Savior..
harryjones03 3 years ago
hehe.. he said "we love this image"
thou shalt have no graven image?
=oP
dramhidel 3 years ago
The implication here is that we shouldn't have any kind of images or statues. You would think that statues would be even more prohibited in religious settings. But to the contrary, God COMMANDS the creation of religious statues for the temple! See Ex. 25:15, ; 38:7; Num. 21:8-9; 1 Chron. 28:18-19; 2 Chron. 3:10.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
BUT THERE ARE GRAVEN IMAGE MADE DURING THE OLD TESTAMENT
• There were two cherubs made but nothing said about bowing before them. (Exodus 25:17-22)
• The bronze snake made by Moses was only for one purpose -- that those who were bitten by a snake and would looked up at the bronze snake will be healed. (Numbers 21:80
But when people started to serve and worshipped it by offering incense, King Hezekiah broke it into pieces. (2 King 18:4)
harryjones03 3 years ago
There is bowing as a sign of reverence and bowing to worship. There are several instances in scripture of bowing as a sign of reverence. God condemns and prohibits false worship (latria), not reverence. The seraphim were on the ark and you can believe the ark was reverenced.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
Come on!! You are just so very good in defending your religion.. That's what the scripture told us already, not to bow down to any statue but you are still looking for ways to make it right..
Why don't you just submit to God and HIs words and not to defend your religion..
harryjones03 3 years ago
Paul is not saying what you are trying to interpret. You are way off my friend! Did you read all of 1 Cor 2: 1-5? Verse 5 explains a lot to me about the Catholic faith, they put much, if not all of their faith in their priest, who by the way is not a saved man! Do you have any idea what that circle means around that crucifix? Why is it that Christ is ALWAYS portrayed as being dead in the RCC? He is dead on the cross, dead in the wafer, dead in the music, dead in the statues! He is dead in the RC
SalvationIsRightNow 3 years ago
We must be careful not to jump to conclusions - and you, my friend, are a jumper ;) "I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified" (1 Corinthians 2:2). If it's good enough for St. Paul, it's good enough for me!
catholiccourage 3 years ago
of course it's good enough for you! jump to conclusions?? LOL, The Case IS Closed :) The Verdict is out!!! Everyone who is truly saved and a bible believer knows what the RCC is..Except the people still involved with this Spiritually Oppressed Religion... jump to conclusions?!?! roflmao!!!!!!!!!!!
SalvationIsRightNow 3 years ago
I see, I shouldn't confuse the issue by quoting scripture - or worse - expecting you to recognize the application which is that the Catholic Church's preoccupation with Jesus Christ crucified is 100% consistent w/ scripture and those who oppose it do so for personal, not scriptural reasons.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
You shouldn't speak about things you do not know!
SalvationIsRightNow 3 years ago
I'm a protestant and I wear a small crucifix necklace around my neck. The cross itself is gold and the body of Christ is silver. It was a present to me from my parents who are ministers. I've recieved alot of compliments on it from both protestants and Catholics alike, but it seems to offend some protestants. I simply tell them that I wear this to remind me of the sacrifice that the Lord paid for my sins and that in honor of that I should live a holy and righteous life before him.
GuardianofTwilight 3 years ago
Awesomeness I love you! :) great great great! :)
waashj 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
catholiccourage 3 years ago
Ex.20:4,5 JB ( YEAH YOUR STILL BLINDED FROM THE TRUTH ) I WAS AT A VERY YOUNG AGE WHEN I REALIZED THAT CATHOLICISM IS A COUNTERFEIT RELIGION IT S TEACHING IS FROM SATAN
drivemg7 3 years ago 2
The crucifix was rejected by the early christians because it was used by pagan Egyptians. The ANKH is an old Egyptian cross.
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
So you're saying that the early Christian rejected the Crucifix because its shape is similar to another shape that pagans used? While I know a lot of people would like a cross-less Christianity, the Church has never rejected the cross, only some of its less courageous members.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
I must admit that adopting the cross, the 25th of December as Christmas, Sunday as holy day and other pagan related celebrations, is indeed an act of courage. But it would be more courageous if you question them and reject them.
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
Are you really a Muslim? Do you feel the same way about the teachings of the Koran?
catholiccourage 3 years ago
Islam orders people to break with old beliefs and question them.
the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; they but IMITATE what the unbelievers of OLD USED TO SAY. Al-Qur'an, 009.030
Beautiful historical fact, rediscovered lately by historians.
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
What is the Sharia penalty for converting out of Islam?
catholiccourage 3 years ago
He is free to chose as said in Qur'an
002.256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
But it's forbidden to speak filth and throw lies to misguide people, after leaving Islam. Q - What is the penalty of Steeling and rape according to christianity?
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
In answer to your question: Q - What is the penalty of Steeling and rape according to christianity?.. To steal and to rape are to break Commandment's #'s 6 and 7, of the Ten Commandment's. As a Catholic, I believe that if you break any one of the Commandments (a mortal sin), you destroy the life of grace in your soul. This means that until you repent of your sins, you are damned to Hell.
leaveme002 3 years ago
". This means that until you repent of your sins, you are damned to Hell."
I want to make sure, that I'm speaking of someone who believes in Jesus died on the cross for the sins of man. So For this man, Jesus died for nothing because he would be in Hell for breaking the commandments of God, what is the use of the sacrificial death then, if you are still to be put in hell for your sins?
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
"This means that until you repent of your sins, you are damned to Hell."
So Jesus died for nothing?!
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
idolatry thats what you call it its not even a cross its a stake your deluded my friend
drivemg7 4 years ago
I'm not sure what you mean. It's been called a cross for at least 2000 years. I think 2000 years of common linguistic use would impress even Webster himself.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
The Greek word rendered "cross" in many modern Bible versions("torture stake"in NW)is stauros'. In classical Greek ,this word meant merely an upright stake,or pale.
drivemg7 3 years ago
1 Cor.10:14 "My beloved ones, flee from idolatry"
drivemg7 3 years ago 2
Yes! Of course we should flee from Idolatry - it's a serious sin. Veneration is not idolatry any more than enjoying a painting or picture of a loved one. If you think what Catholics do is idolatry, maybe you should define idolatry for me.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
i do have pictures of loved ones but i dont worship it Jesus taught us to love one another not worship one another or worship any graven images ,if you had a friend who was shot and killed would you then walk around carrying a gun,? because you walking around with a cross would be the same thing
drivemg7 3 years ago
Catholics don't worship idols BTW; it's not good to repeat LIES :)...lest we forget false accusations are a huge lack of CHRISTIAN CHARITY of which our Lord demands; LOVE thy neighbor- yeah he meant that :)
waashj 3 years ago
Sterile crucifix, represents incompetence.
Foolish lies from the son of god.
The false prophet of eternal life.
Lucifer laughs and casts him into the fire.
God no longer exists, he has drowned in the watery abyss.
Leviathan rises forth, hunger satisfied by jehovah's corpse.
Burn your bible in vain, Lucifer forever reigns.
Praise the dark demons, their blessing we have invoked.
Slay the begotten lamb, his flock is the dust in the sand.
On a cross christ's head is served.
TheDarkLordLucifer 4 years ago
Wow! Thank you so much for this Dan.
Fortitude is definitely one of the gifts that the Holy Spirit has given you; I'm sure, among others!
Peace & God bless.
Sandy
1Hope4All 4 years ago 4
Thanks for the en-"couraging" word.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
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Jesus, the 5' 10" caucasion that you worship never existed. You live life in homage to Cinderella. A fairy tale. Nobody's home. No - bod - dy! Wake up, stop enabling the pedophiles. Stop spinning your fantasy stories in hopes of dulling the minds of children.
HemiHemisphere 4 years ago
Se my response to Hemi in my video "Re:Worshiping the Pope" (video j3X8uDH_KYA).
catholiccourage 4 years ago
1 Cor. 2:2 shows the laid down life. Paul had always talked about dying to ones self. The cross was ALWAYS a pagan symbol of sun worship. You can dress a pig in it´s Sunday best, but it is still a pig. Glorifies the Father ? Living the laid down life of sacrifice is what is noble and good and glorifies the Father. The cross was the means to the end, but not to be worshiped. Believers would not entertain such filth in their homes. Think about it !!
ayuda31 4 years ago
" But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world." Galatians 6:14
catholiccourage 4 years ago
Not sure what translation you use, but the word ¨glory¨is defined as boasting. If you read the context of the previous verses, Paul was admonishing the congregation not to boast in works but in the faith of our Lord Jesus that he died that horrible death so we may live. V.15 shows the scars are the visible proof that we have walked away from our sins.
ayuda31 4 years ago
Thanks for this. I've never heard the crucifix so well defended.
madridchic 4 years ago 2
I failed to mention the second reason why many non-Catholic Christians shun the crucifix and that's simply because it's so Catholic and the fear of man is not easily subordinated.
catholiccourage 4 years ago
Amen!
stuart20017 4 years ago 2
Jesus was crucified on a curse, which is the cross. it was a shame to be crucified on a cross. He was made the curse for us so we might be saved.
sixandafter 3 years ago
I believe you are referring to the text "cursed is anyone who hangs on a tree" How this makes a cross or a tree "a curse" does not make sense to me. Yes he took on the punishment that was due us. It makes sense to meditate on the cross. That is my point.
catholiccourage 3 years ago
I see what you mean but heres the way I see it, why meditate on the cross?
Faith is to hope for things which are not seen, but which are true.
Read Hebrews Chapter 11 its great.
sixandafter 3 years ago
Phil 4:8 - that's why.
catholiccourage 3 years ago