Gordon Clark is undisciplined in his arguments. He claims the distinction between an ultimate and immediate cause is important. He does a song and dance, and then goes on to show how God is the IMMEDIATE cause of Judas' betrayal of Christ when he gave the false impression he was going to show how God was the ULTIMATE cause. Bate and switch. Then he concludes God can do anything he wants anyway and says 'what a good boy am I'.
@ TheDarkKnightBatMann "Jesus told the pharisees to learn about mercy; you need to learn about it too."
In Calvinism, God PURPOSELY manufactures DEAD babies in the Womb, who Purposed their DAMNATION in His Heart & Mind from Eternity Past, engineering them TO SIN from the Moment of conception, lacking ALL ABILITY to repent & Beg for Mercy, FATING them to BURN FOREVER then "commands" them to repent to 'drive the nails deeper into their coffen' -wcof
@Isaiah1v18 exactly. Their wretched idol is partial in justice and partial in mercy.
I just posted dozens of quotes from Calvin on another vid. This lady didn't believe that Calvin taught that predestination/reprobation was founded solely in the arbitrary will of God and not because of anything in the person being elected or reprobated. She figures the damned are such because of their sin. If so, then why aren't all saved? Calvinism is sweet puke
All this back and forth is completely useless. The God I serve is able to save people who have no desire to love Him, and those that think it was their idea in the first place. The gentleman JackMWolfe says Arminius refuted Calvinism. This is an absurd untruth. Read your history. Anyway, Calvinism is just a nickname for the teachings of Scripture. Deal with it honestly and God will reward you with His Grace.
@468297 "Deal with it honestly and God will reward you with His Grace."
So grace is a result of works? I thought you were trying to argue for Calvinism. Yet, here you state that grace is the REWARD for being good. That's not a very convincing argument against Arminianism.
Oh my GOODNESS!! Who is this guy? I believe in predestination and if you want to call me a Calvinist that's fine, but I have never ever ever taught about committing suicide due to not being able to convince people about the Gospel or because someone is or is not chosen. This guy, in nice terms, is totally dumb....
This is so sad. To see this type of drivel being passed off as preaching of the word of God is truly sad. I will not be viewing any more of your videos.
Cant debunk Calvinism....its right there in the Bible. So whats the difference between someone who believes in Calvinism and someone who doesnt? Its the person reading the Bible in the Holy Spirit....or without it.
@TheK1ngdom Calvinism has been refuted for centuries - ever since Arminius gave a biblical refutation in the 1500's - & nothing has changed since then just as you witnessed with Channeler's inability to answer Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9. Calvinists are among the most biblically illiterate cultists - the only reason anyone falls into Calvinism in the 1st place is sheer bible ignorance & the only reason anyone stays in it is by rebelling against all the corrective verses which totally refute it.
@TheK1ngdom "The selfishness of Calvinism is absolutely sickening to my stomach"
Exactly. Calvinism is an easy-believism perversion which appeals to the worst aspects of man's fallen nature: pride & selfishness, & tries to justify itself on the basis of upholding God's sovereignty for Him - which God has never once told anyone to do. Calvinists revile & reject a God who would come as a humble servant of mankind & then offer salvation as a GIFT - they reject Christ & follow a counterfeit.
Those who follow God's word have life & they follow Christ who IS the word of God. Your chronic evasion of Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 has revealed that you reject the real gospel & the genuine Christ for the doctrines of demons & a Satanic counterfeit. As always, you've been exposed as an imposter & completely silenced by God's word - so return to the worm hole you crawled from & await destruction in the Lake of Fire, you depraved, lying coward.
@n8ssavedbygrace ISA 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
@n8ssavedbygrace Isaiah 50:1...Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away. 2 Wherefore, when I came, was there no man? when I called, was there none to answer? Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? or have I no power to deliver?
(There is an obstacle to pardon. It is called sin. God doesn't zap people with a remote and lack of conversion doesn't imply a lack of power.)
@fractalfires1 Who are you to say God's goodness is defective, just b/c you don't like it that He does not want many, many people in this world, and does not love them? I say He is Good and Glorious! Quit complaining against God!
@WCOFTheology "Who are you to say God's goodness is defective,"
God's goodness is not defective at all Jeff. But who am I to complain against the devil whom you hold to BE God? Easy. I like every human being, now and in the future state, will in our consciences, forever condemn such an amoral petty capricious unjust, partial, unmerciful gnat as you preach. God is good and glorious, but the one you advocate is a joke.
@fractalfires1 You should admit openairpreacher is right and disown your god and become and atheist, until you burn in hell or give up your pride and worship the one true God, the Glorious God of the Bible, which Calvinism so adequately describes.
@WCOF "the Glorious God of the Bible which Calvinism so adequately describes"
The bible describes a loving heavenly Father Who sent His only begotten Son as a humble Servant, redeemed mankind, & offers salvation to ALL of them as a free gift. Your cursed gospel describes Him as a narcissistic megalomaniac who creates helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell in order to glorify himself. You revile, reject, & blaspheme the True God of the bible for a counterfeit dirtbag!
@JackMWolfe Blah, blah, blahdy-blah-blah-blah! You will burn one Day for God's good pleasure, unless you repent, and trust in Christ alone for your salvation!
@WCOFTheology I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Ezekiel 18.
You are amazingly arrogant, and utterly distant from the heart of God. Honestly, you completely do not comprehend the mercy or grace of God. Your quest for self-glorification has led you to false doctrine, and a heart far from the God of the Bible.
Jesus told the pharisees to learn about mercy; you need to learn about it too.
@TheDarkKnightBatMann YOU have no understanding! Of course God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, b/c they are under His fierce Hatred and Wrath, His pleasure comes from demonstrating His Attributes to Glorify Himself.
@WCOF Your response to the REAL gospel & genuine Christ is always to open that filthy, condemned snout & blaspheme them. And like the rest of your herd of Kalvin Kowards, you continue to run from simply standing before God according to Heb10:30 & agreeing that His judgment fall NOW upon the imposters here who are promoting a false gospel & blaspheming Him - you refuse because you KNOW it's you! You've been totally exposed as Satan's son by God's word & by your own pathetic cowardice!
@JackMWolfe - The bible reveals the Holy God sent His only begotten Son as a sarifice for sin, the Savior of believers. His gospel is proclaimed to the world yet men will not hear; will not see. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified!
@WCOFTheology Why do we need calvinism to describe God? Why can't we just read the Bible? This breaks TWO commandments: 1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
@TheDarkKnight "This breaks TWO commandments: thou shalt have no other gods before me, thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"
Calvinists do worse than that - change God's word, cause division in the Body, bear false witness about others, misrepresent God's character, cause unbelievers to reject God, & blaspheme the Holy Spirit - all death penalty offenses in the Old & New Testament. The last one is unforgiveable & is what Calvinism ultimately leads to - Channeler & WCOF are lost.
@TheDarkKnightBatMann Calvinism is nothing more than RIGHT interpretation of the Bible! You can read the Bible for yourself but if you come away with a different interpretation than the principles of Calvinism,YOU have misinterpreted and are deceived by the devil, or your own depravity.
@n8ssavedbygrace "So, if Christ died for all, and all are not saved, did He fail?"
Jeremiah 35:17 "because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard" Did God fail to open their ears? See also Jer 29:19 Jere 32:32-35
"33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction. "
Yet, Jesus said that they shall ALL be taught by God. Did God fail? Answer me.
Man cannot seek for God, because we were created in God's image. God can't give another rights to His life and His thoughts, how can man if man is created in God's image?
@jackmwolfe not everyone gets the title "child of God" john 1:12-13 but to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
@RedemptionFORus Irenaeus c. 180AD wrote: According to nature then they are his children, because they have been so created; but according to their works, they are not his children....being disinherited, are still their sons in the course of nature, but by law are disinherited...so in the same way it is with God."
"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
That's not kind for you to say of me. Why would you call me a son of the devil when I am doing my best to confirm everything I believe God shows me to the ultimate best of my ability? I love God and he has saved me from a wicked life. I believe Jesus died for me and rose from the dead. I preach that forgiveness of sins is in Jesus only.
Maybe Jesus was referring to people like you Bill.
@Bill244888 all men are God's children by nature, but not all are by doctrine and obedience. Just as a man may disinherit his children by nature and may make an heir out of a stranger, so may God. In Genesis the sons of God went into the daughters of men. Whoever these sons were, they certainly were not obedient children.
@Bill244888 In fact, if you had bothered to read Irenaeus, he cites that very Scripture as proof of his argument that we are all God's children. He explains that Jesus called them 'you are of your father the devil' because such were children of the devil by DOCTRINE, not by NATURE.They obeyed the devil and therefore disqualified themselves as children of God by inheritance. The natural sons are not heirs, but those appointed by testament. If you're not in covenant, you disqualify
its so funny how guys like this lean on their own understanding of how God is and who he is and his attributes. this guy is so self righteous to say he made his decision to be saved. foreloved, predestined, justified, glorified!!!
In utmost sincerity, I urge you to heed the words of Paul . . .
" Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!"
@CBALLEN "you won't have a chance against my God"
Your god is Satan himself - step forth with him & agree that God's judgment be poured out now according to Heb10:30 upon the imposters here who are preaching a false gospel & blaspheming Him - "We know Him Who said, Vengeance is Mine; I will repay says the Lord. And again, The Lord will judge & determine & solve & settle the cause & the cases of His people" You & your gutless friends refuse because you know the counterfeits are YOU!
1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
@CBALLEN 1Cor2:14 "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God"
It's referring to YOU - verified by your rambling, unspiritual gibberish. The Holy Spirit left you long ago because of your blasphemy & rejection of God's word. You're now doomed to twist scriptures to your own destruction until the day you're cast into the Lake of Fire along with the demons who now possess you. You only serve as a warning to others to get off Calvin's destructive road.
@JackMWolfe Do you have canned responses? I've seen the same comments that you used to answer me with,used to answer everyone. Do you just cut and paste the same ones all the time?
1. You hold that the moral law is founded in the will of God.
2. You hold that Jesus did not owe obedience to the moral law as a man on earth.
3. You hold that since Jesus didn't owe obedience to the moral law himself that he could perform works of supererogation and that this storehouse of excess good deeds could then be transferred to the accounts of others.
4. You hold Jesus had 2 personalities, a human one and the Son of God. Neither obligated
@WCOFTheology "Jesus did not need saving, He is the SAVIOUR!" He was born saved to you, to use the phrase loosely as you normally do. Since he is the saviour, WHO does he save from hell? Your god is too weak and to partial in his mercy and justice to save those you claim are predestined to eternal damnation. Jeff, WHO does the Saviour save from hell in your version of Calvinism?
In Calvinism, to OBEY is Gods "Sovereign Hand of Grace", TO SIN is God removing His hand & DECREEING that they SIN for "His GOOD pleasure" to "Glorify Himself".
Regardless whether they SIN or NOT, they FULFILL & Glorify Gods Will & inherit ETERNAL LIFE. Its the ultimate WIN-WIN CARNAL idea for those who are still SLAVES of SIN.
No matter how creatively they rename their ideas in an cowardly attempt to 'Sugarcoat' their doctrines, THIS IS EXACTLY what they preach. They are SLAVES of sin indeed
In Calvinism, 2b 'converted' is 2b illuminated with the IDEA of being CHOSEN/ELECT while SINNING willingly, as they say, "has been DECREED by God from the foundation of the world."
To OBEY is Gods "Sovereign Hand of Grace", TO SIN is God removing His hand & DECREEING that they SIN for "His GOOD pleasure" to "Glorify Himself". Regardless whether they SIN or NOT, they FULFILL & Glorify Gods Will & inherit ETERNAL LIFE. Its the ultimate WIN-WIN CARNAL idea for those who are still SLAVES of SIN.
@Bill244888 "Post it on as many videos as you want it still doesn't make your ignorant ramblings any more true"
Giving Isaiah permission to post what he wants on video doesn't make your assertion any more true that his posts are 'ignorant ramblings'. Think about that
@Isaiah1v18 amen. Their idea of conversion is that if a person believes in Calvinism that this belief is proof of being converted. Thus they figure a change of opinion from not believing Calvinism to believing it constitutes conversion. They have utterly mistaken the Biblical notion of conversion.
"Their idea of conversion is that if a person believes in Calvinism that this belief is proof of being converted."
A complete understanding of reformed theology is not a requirement for salvation, but a heart that submits to clear biblical text is surely evidence of salvation. So, on that note, what's your understanding of Eph. 1:3-6 or Rom. 9:15-16?
@fractalfires1 "Their idea of conversion is that if a person believes in Calvinism this is proof of being converted"
Exactly, & it demonstrates there can never be any genuine fellowship between the 2 camps because the issues involve totally antithetical doctrines & deities. Calvinists revile & blaspheme the REAL God who came as a Servant, purchased redemption for mankind, & offers it to all men as a gift. They follow a counterfeit who forces salvation on some & denies it to others - a dirtbag
Wait Jack, you forgot about the alternative way of salvation for those who haven't heard the gospel. They somehow are miraculously able to keep their own internal law perfectly.
No, & you misrepresent Paul's general statement in Rom1 that men are saved by the light they have which could be only the witness of creation & their own conscience - which he specifically confirms in Rom2:15 by stating that those who obey their conscience will be excused from God's judgment. And you have no answer for the fact that Abraham, Rahab, the Ninevites, & MANY others were saved by a message other than the gospel. You're ignorant & a willful deceiver.
"For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, . . ."
Romans 1 speaks of nothing but condemnation for the willful sin and suppression of the truth that they have been given. There is no salvation clause in Rom. 1 as you erroneously claim.
@Bill 1st, you CONTINUE to avoid the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites (& there are many others) who were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel which completely refutes your stupid assertion that people can only be saved by the gospel - so all your inane gibberish about the meaning of Rom1&2 is moot anyway. 2nd, Rom1 says those who disobey the light they have will be WITHOUT EXCUSE ie, it's enough to be saved - otherwise they WOULD have an excuse! What an idiot.
"you CONTINUE to avoid the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites"
I answered you question FIVE times on video comments and even posted as a message on your channel but it never showed up, so to sit there and lie REPEATEDLY LIE and claim I never answered really undermines your credibility (as if you had any to start with). OK genius, how were they saved, if it wasn't by faith and Christ paying for their sins, as I told you over and over and over and over and over and over?
@Bill Paul didn't say anything about keeping the Law perfectly to be saved in Rom1&2 nor have I - & you continue to avoid the fact that Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites (and many others) were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel - which already refutes your idiotic claim that people can only be saved by the gospel. Discussing your mindless gibberish which misrepresents Rom1&2 isn't even needed - so go stick your filthy snout in a bucket of Reformed swill till you drown.
@Bill Paul says NOTHING about keeping the Law perfectly to be saved in Rom1&2 nor have I - & you continue to avoid the fact that Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites (and many others) were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel, which already refutes your idiotic claim that people can only be saved by the gospel - so discussing your mindless ignorance which misrepresents what Paul says in Rom1&2 isn't even needed. Shuffle along now, you idiot.
@Bill Again, your asinine remarks about Rom1&2 are moot & irrelevant - the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites who were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel already completely refutes your ignorant comment that people can only be saved by the gospel. Obey Christ for once - go tie a millstone around your neck & drop yourself in the nearest lake, it's obviously the only cure for your willfull blindness & everyone, including yourself, will be much better off.
@Bill Your ignorant gibberish about Rom1&2 is moot & irrelevant - it's already been refuted simply by the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites who were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel. As ALWAYS, you've been argued to stone cold dead SILENCE about your abominations by God's word - all you can do is spam out the refutation & run away like a frightened squirrel to other videos & post the same lies - you're not only a confirmed deceiver but a coward as well.
OK genius, how were they saved, if it wasn't by faith and Christ paying for their sins, as I told you over and over and over and over and over and over?
@Bill "how were they saved if it wasn't by faith & Christ paying for their sins?"
They WERE saved by faith & by Christ paying for their sins but NOT by hearing the gospel which you claimed was the only way anyone can be saved - their example contradicts your ignorant statement just as Paul does in Rom1&2 when he says those who don't have access to the light of the Law or the gospel but obey the light of their conscience will be saved. Are you the only one unaware of just how blind you are?
@Bill244888 I see he still hasn't learned a thing,I feel for you Bill,he's like talking to a glassy eyed J.W..No one goes to Heaven without hearing and believing the Gospel.He thinks God gave man the Law to be saved by it,even when I believed as an Arminian I knew better than that.
They get into such a blind rage hatred for anything that even hints of reformed theology that they can't even stop to consider what the text of scripture actually says. He claims some salvation loop-hole in Romans 1 & 2 for those who have never heard the gospel.
I really wonder if they have any grasp of what the true gospel actually is.
I keep reminding myself that Saul/Paul hurled venomous hatred at the church prior to his conversion as well.
@Bill244888 Here is what one of Jack's heros believes:Greg Boyd states that the “traditional view of God” found in the confessions of the Church “needed to be attacked and rejected"So the God of Classical Christianity needs to be rejected,Boyd even goes futher.This is what has been called
“the truth of atheism.” The god
which made human life unlivable
must be proclaimed dead that free
humanity may live.
See why he hates us so much?There is o so much more too.
@CBALLEN Whenever a Calvinist has been exposed for manipulating scripture, evasion, willfull blindness, false accusations, causing division, blaspheming the Holy Spirit, etc, you always show up to cheer them on - you're a poster boy for every artifice Satan has ever devised to destroy others, a true son of the devil. You were refuted for claiming the only way to be saved is thru the gospel & ran from the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites just like Bill did. You're both apostate cowards
@JackMWolfe The view of God as “sheer almightiness” when he writes, The image of the domineering God breeds fear, resentment, arid rebellion, If God’s rule over us takes the form of unlimited control over impotent subjects, then the master-slave relationship in human society finds justification in religious belief. The only way to be free from coercive power exercised by the omnipotent god and earthly tyrants is to repudiate their authority and actually or symbolically to destroy them.
@JackMWolfe So your boy and you want to destroy the God of scripture and replace Him with your mambe pambe ity bity god,who wouldn't hwrt a wittle fwy.Your open theist god is a piss poor replacement for the Living God,you can put him in your itty bitty wunch box and carwee him awound wiv you aw day wong and when you feewl unwoved you can weach in and puwl him out and he wiwl wub awl oba you,then you wiwl fewl alw betta..
JackMWolf You've seen the build a bear store right?Why don't you open up a build your own god store?It would be great,you could sell 1 to every open theist and cultist around,they can build a god exactly like they want! Just think,you could be rich,rich,rich beyond your wildest dreams! Doug and Apollyon could be your first customers, you could also sell clothes & accessories 4 them too,and dress them in the best attire.They could build them as big or as small (like your god) as they want wow!
@CBALLEN Oh, the "build a god" store that is a great idea for a video, LOL, I'm going to have to put my mind to that one. If I come up with something I'l give you the credit! ROFL
@JackMWolfe Joh_8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
@WCOF More gibberish & scripture twisting. Abraham was shown the gospel later, but his original calling was to simply leave the land of Ur & go to a land that God would show him - he was NOT responding to the gospel. Abraham, Rahab, the Ninevites, & MANY others were all saved without responding to the gospel of Christ. You're not just an ignorant fool but a liar & deceiver who twists God's word & rips verses out of context to mislead others - you've been exposed as a Satanic imposter.
@WCOFTheology Hey Jeff,would you trust someone that you never met before,leave your family,God(s),land ect.To go to some place this person it telling you to go if you weren't given some reason to trust them?Wouldn't it take an act of God to cause one to believe that what they are saying is true, before you'd ever leave and follow them???Especially when the rest of my family would be calling me crazy for what I was about to do?
@WCOF You didn't just quote a scripture, you ADDED your Satanic doctrines to it & tried to make it say something else - that makes you a false prophet & under a death sentence under both the Old & New Testaments. Your grasping at such a false interpretation is moot anyway - the argument is refuted by the fact there are MANY examples other than Abraham who were saved by other means than hearing the gospel of Christ - you ignored the examples of Rahab & the Ninevites. You're a confirmed deceiver.
@JackMWolfe Look at my comment again, I gave NO commentary just copy and paste Scripture. You have NO way of knowing HOW much they knew and understood, you are arguing from silence, therefore you are doing nothing but guessing, and hoping you are right!
@WCOF LOL, you didn't just quote a scripture - you offered it to support the ridiculous notion that Abraham was saved by putting his faith in the gospel of Christ when the account in Gen12 gives EXACTLY what God told him & it had NOTHING to do with the gospel of Christ - "Leave your own country & your relatives & come into the land I will show you. I will make you a great nation & I will bless those who bless you, curse him who curses you" YOU'RE arguing from silence! You're a liar & deceiver
@JackMWolfe - I see you are over here now making a mockery of Christianity. If you want to stand toe-to-toe with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, if you want to see how your poor excuse for a gospel measures up; bring it out into the open. Dig it up, pull it from it's pit and shine a light on it; AND THE NEXT TIME YOU DARE ENGAGE ME IN CONVERSATION DO SO WITH INTELLIGENCE AND NOT FOOLISHNESS.
@Channeler LOL,who are you trying to fool? I'm here exposing your apostate confederates as imposters just as I did with YOU in the "All of Calvinism refuted by one verse" video. Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 exposes your gospel as an abomination, your evasion exposes you as a willfull deceiver, & your refusal to agree for God's judgment to fall upon the counterfeits according to Heb10:30 exposes you all as gutless cowards. Did you stalk me here to confirm for others what a liar & coward you are?
@JackMWolfe - You mean you ran off like a coward when I challenged you to dig up that dead thing that you call the gospel (you know the one you keep burried in the ground so it can continue to decay) and bring it into the light to be examined by God's Holy Word. You refuse. You run away. Put your gospel message in a paragraph Jack; 500 characters of less and let's turn on the light and scare the neighbors. Did I stalk you? Did you run away? Who is the coward?
@Channeler You're lying again - you've been running for MONTHS from the gospel Paul gave to the Athens pagans in Acts17:29-30 saying that ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE & from Christ's declaration in Mt22:8-9 that salvation is by INIVITATION & for all people - both these verses contradict the cursed BAD news you preach & you have NO answer for them except to chant Calvinist doctrines hoping they'll vanish. You're an apostate, a liar, & a coward.
@JackMWolfe - Come on Jack! Here we go again; I speak and you don't listen. I will repeat for your benefit; quid pro quo Jack, quid pro quo. Tell us about your "regeneration + sanctifying works = salvation" theory. Give me a 500 character explanation of what Y-O-U believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ to be. That's the heart of the issue; let's get to the point Jack; stop stalling. Everyone is waiting with baited breath to hear the JackMWolfe version of the gospel. Pretty please.
@Channeler Let me "bottom line" it for you again Kenny boy - you have NO answer to God's word in Acts17;29-30 & Mt22:8-9 which contradicts & refutes your damnable limited gospel. My gospel is the same as Paul's: now concentrate - ALL MEN are God's children, the gospel is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE & it's by INVITATION & for ALL people. Yours is the opposite - all men are NOT God's children, the gospel is LIMITED, & it's FORCED on just a FEW. Get it now Kenny? Yours is DIFFERENT than the bible's!
@JackMWolfe - So you do not want to talk about the gospel according to JackMWolfe? I am not surprised. Your getting angry Jack. Did I strike a nerve? Are you afraid to bring your gospel into the public and to have it compared to the Gospel of Jesus Christ as revealed in the word of God? I think so. Quid pro quo Jack. Something for something. Bring that nasty thing you are hiding into the open so it may be understood by others what you worship; come on now, don't be shy.
@Channeler Actually, Kenny boy - the main problem here is you're a gutless coward who refuses to just openly admit that you consider your gospel to be much better than the one Paul & Christ preached. You obviously have no huevos, why don't you pray for some & get back to us - or are you actually a girl? Dealing with such a frightened milksop makes me understand & relate to Christ vomiting your type out of His mouth. How can you stand looking in a mirror - how do you keep from getting sick?
@JackMWolfe - Oh Jack! This gutless coward as you describe him is standing toe-to-toe with you, a very angry person who wants to envoke Gods wrath, who can't get his god do the deed so he is left hanging alone with some dead "regeneration + sanctifying works" monstrosity that he is supposed to peddle off on others as being an alive and effectual gospel. I feel your pain Jack, you have to cart that dead thing around and its decomposing bad; ewwww! Repent & believe the gospel Jack!
@Channeler What a bunch of evasive gibberish! My gospel is the SAME as Paul's which he declared in Acts17:29-30, which Christ confirms in Mt22:8-9, all of which directly contradicts YOURS. You haven't been "standing toe to toe" with anyone but consistently running away from these verses - you have NO answer for their declaration that ALL men are God's children, that the gospel is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE, & that salvation is by INVITATION - the abomination you preach says exactly the OPPOSITE!
@JackMWolfe - Evasive? Not standing toe to toe with you? Your gospel is not the same as Paul's that is why I asked you to specifically detail it for all to see and you cower at the challenge. I know why you cower Jack. You don't have the true gospel. Why not use the next 500 characters to explain the Gospel according to JackMWolfe? Are you anti-Evangelical? anti-Christian? Don't want to share JackMWolfe's gospel with the world? You prefer to hide it under a bushel.
@Channeler Concentrate: Paul preached THE GOSPEL to the Athens pagans in Acts17 by declaring the life, resurrection & return of Christ, calling them to repent & believe in HIm, saying that all men are God's children & the message of salvation by repentance is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE - THAT's the true gospel & mine & it directly contradicts YOURS! You evade this by trying to focus on nebulous sanctification issues which are IRRELEVANT to the fact you promote a cursed gospel - you're running away!
@JackMWolfe - Jack your "regeneration + sanctifying works" ≠ the gospel; visit my channel and you can view the Gospel. YOu will find no focus on what you call nebulous sanctification issues there. Your you can lose your salvation by not doing sacntifying works makes a mockery of the Gospel of Grace through Christ Jesus A-L-O-N-E!
@Channeler LOL, nobody needs to visit your demonic channel to find the gospel Kowardly Ken - it's in Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 for all to see & which you continue to DENY & EVADE. ALL men are God's children, the gospel of Christ is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE & it's by INVITATION. Instead, your abomination says all men are NOT God's children, the gospel is NOT for all men everywhere & it's FORCED on only a FEW. When will you stop running away from your OWN gospel Kenny boy? What are you ashamed of?
@JackMWolfe They need to hear it somewhere Jack and they surely will not get it from you or from your Music Idolatry Channel so my offer stands; come visit my channel if you want to hear the gospel explained pure and simple with all the power of the the God of the Bible.
@Channeler Your new strategy is hilarious. After running for months from Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 which destroy your ENTIRE theology from the foundation up, finally being cornered & having your cowardice exposed, your strategy is now to climb in a squirrel cage & run away without going anywhere!. The verses remain right there in front of you & everyone can see you have NO answer for the fact that your cursed "gospel" doesn't agree with them! Kowardly Ken has become Kenny the Klown! Run Ken, run!
@JackMWolfe - Run Jack? I am in the Scriptures daily. =0) Your take on reality is disconcerting Jack because, as I have pointed out before, one must conclude (after observing your behavior here on YouTube) that you are delusional, not only unwilling to deal with the truth of the scriptures, but also the truth that is found in normal day-to-day conversations, now who is the one running away from reality, Jack? Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ Jack. Jesus Christ is LORD!
@Channeler LOL, doesn't the whirring of that squirrel cage ever bother you? Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 are still right in your face refuting everything you profess. You still have NO answer for them & call OTHERS delusional & unwilling to deal with scripture - you're a poster boy for delusional projection! Here's a clue from God's word Kenny: get the forest out of your OWN eye 1st - start by admitting your gospel doesn't agree with the one Paul preached in Acts17;29-30 & with Christ in Mt22:8-9!
@JackMWolfe I should have found this one before when you were refuting Bill when he denied Romans 2. Irenaeus comments on the passage saying, "1. And that the Lord did not abrogate the natural [precepts] of the law, by which man is JUSTIFIED, which also those who were justified by faith, and who pleased God, did observe previous to the giving of the law, but that He extended and fulfilled them, is shown from His words... (cites Matthew 5)
@JackMWolfe I found something hilarious in Irenaeus. He says the spiritual disciple should ask the Marcionites, "How can he be good...WHY is his goodness which does not save all, defective?' The Marcionites were a gnostic group who taught monergism.
@JackMWolfe - Let me bottom-line it for you Jack. Let it be understood that I've attempted to introduce you to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I don't want you (or anyone) to perish in their sin. Your gospel is incorrect Jack. You're clinging to that which is unbiblical; something that doesn't save. I am not asking you to do back flips or push a peanut down the road with your nose Jack. I am telling you to fear God, read and believe the Scriptures. Repent and believe the Gospel!
@WCOFTheology Oh yeah,Jack ,Doug and Apollyon are constantly mocking scripture.They don't believe it and think it's foolishness just like the Bible says all men without the spirit will.Scripture to them is just a stumbling block that gets in the way of their humanist doctrines.The open theists want to destroy the God of the scriptures and replace Him with some limp wristed ,sugar coated screw-up,just like them.
@Bill244888 You can find more about the open theist's god just by reading
A Review of Gregory Boyd’s "Trinity and Process" by Faith Defenders.This will show you exactly why these Open Theist. LUNATICS rage so much against the God of the Bible and all who call Him Lord.Ps 2:1 Why do the nations rage, and the peoples imagine a vain thing?Jn 15:18 If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.
@WCOFTheology I knew you'd say that so that I can tell you that in the SAME way, nobody that is elect from eternity is saved either.
Saved from what?
Then again, your theology represents every human being as PERFECTLY obeying God. They might disobey Scripture, but that is because you say they are obeying God's secret will. How is that disobedience? If anything is blasphemous...connect the dots Sherlock. You've denied Jesus' divinity lots, claiming 2 separate persons are in one body.
From Hell which is YOUR future abode you heretical blasphemer! Jesus did NOT need to be saved! The elect are NOT born saved either. NO ONE ever said they were. They are predestined to hear the gospel, receive faith as a free gift from God, etc... God predestines the MEANS as well as the ends.
BUT you are so busy with your ridiculous straw man arguments and distortions you are blind to reason, Bible, and logic. You are just like RedBeetle CHUMP!
@fractalfires1"Jesus was" NO HE wasn't, again you blaspheme! Jesus did not need saving, He is the SAVIOUR! He, perfectly keeping the law, proved His perfection and His worthiness to be the only One able to be our(sinful man) perfect Sacrifice, and proved He is God in the flesh. Your whole doctrine is blasphemy that oozes from every pore. The very root of your doctrine is blasphemy.
@WCOFTheology I knew you'd say that so that I can tell you that in the SAME way, nobody that is elect from eternity is saved either.
Saved from what?
Then again, your theology represents every human being as PERFECTLY obeying God. They might disobey Scripture, but that is because you say they are obeying God's secret will. How is that disobedience? If anything is blasphemous...connect the dots Sherlock
@WCOFTheology "Jesus did not need saving, He is the SAVIOUR!" He was born saved to you, to use the phrase loosely as you normally do. Since he is the saviour, WHO does he save from hell? Your god is too weak and to partial in his mercy and justice to save those you claim are predestined to eternal damnation. Jeff, WHO does the Saviour save from hell in your version of Calvinism?
1. You hold that the moral law is founded in the will of God.
2. You hold that Jesus did not owe obedience to the moral law as a man on earth.
3. You hold that since Jesus didn't owe obedience to the moral law himself that he could perform works of supererogation and that this storehouse of excess good deeds could then be transferred to the accounts of others.
4. You hold Jesus had 2 personalities, a human one and the Son of God.
@rarariotify "The o.t. saints weren't saved by obeying the law. They were saved by believing the prophets in believing in the coming of a reedemer."
Is that true? The pharisees believed in a coming redeemer. I'm sure that many people believed in a coming redeemer, but did not keep the law and were cut off from the Abrahamic blessing. Were the Samaritans in the 400 plus years before Jesus came saved by believing in a coming redeemer?
the thing is impossible and impracticable for fallen man: hence these words must be understood either hypothetically, thus, not the hearers of the law, but if there were any perfect doers of it, they would be justified before God; or else of such persons who are considered in Christ, by whom the whole perfect righteousness of the law is fulfilled in them, and who may be reckoned as perfect doers of it in him, their substitute, surety, and representative.
3rd, it's not disputed that man cannot & will not come to God on his own - God must supply a way back thru Christ & intervenes by convicting men of their sin & callihg them to repentance. What IS being disputed is Calvinism's claim that God creates helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell, that they're excluded from salvation, & that He sends them fake calls to repent but withholds their ability to obey it - all blasphemous & heretical. Calvinism is a doctrine of demons
@Bill244888 Go ahead argue with Christ if you feel bold enough .Jn14:6"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, & the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
1st, you AGAIN evaded the fact that Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites weren't saved by hearing the gospel. 2nd, here's a hint: ALL forms of light come from Christ - the witness of creation, the conscience, the Law, the gospel, etc. Now concentrate: Jn14:6 doesn't negate salvation by ANY of those means, just as Rom1&2 says
@JackMWolfe "1st, you AGAIN evaded the fact that Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites weren't saved by hearing the gospel. 2nd, here's a hint: ALL forms of light come from Christ - the witness of creation, the conscience, the Law, the gospel, etc. Now concentrate: Jn14:6 doesn't negate salvation by ANY of those means, just as Rom1&2 says"
No matter if you're Calvinist or OSAS Arminian, one thing that people need to understand is the difference between "heresy" and "false doctrine." False doctrine is a false teaching about scripture. Heresy is a false teaching about scripture that LEADS PEOPLE TO HELL: preaching a way of salvation apart from Jesus, faith, and repentance. Can you honestly say that Calvinism is leading people to hell? No. It is simply a different way of viewing God's sovereignty in salvation.
@astherrien Calvinists promote a cursed gospel condemned by Gal1:7-9, blaspheme God by claiming He creates helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell, manipulate dozens of verses which put lying words into God's mouth, cause division in the Body, cause unbelievers to reject true Christianity thru their abominations, bear false witness about their protagonists beliefs & hide their own behind a thin veneer of orthodoxy. All are death penalty offenses leading AWAY from salvation
@WCOF You shouldn't be so concerned about others swallowing gnats when you have a camel stuck in your lying throat. You've been exposed as a blasphemer by contradicting Rom5:12, "sin came into the world thru one man, & death as the result of sin"- you instead say GOD brought sin into the world! And 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist, but YOU say He not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin! You're a confirmed apostate & a blasphemer
@WCOF You shouldn't be so concerned about others swallowing gnats when you have a camel stuck in your lying throat. You've been exposed as a blasphemer by contradicting Rom5:12, "sin came into the world thru one man, & death as the result of sin"- you instead say GOD brought sin into the world! And 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist, but YOU say He not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin! You're a confirmed apostate & a blasphemer
@WCOF You shouldn't be so concerned about others swallowing gnats when you have a camel stuck in your lying throat. You've been exposed as a blasphemer by contradicting Rom5:12, "sin came into the world thru one man, & death as the result of sin"- you instead say GOD brought sin into the world! And 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist, but YOU say He not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin! You're a confirmed apostate & a blasphemer
He is a typical example of how unworthy some of the pastors we have in this country.
fun001us 1 day ago
@fun001us but he was predestined :)
LauderdaleBaptist 1 day ago
I'm paraphrasing someone posted regarding the temptation in the garden:
"That would be pointless, a test is to determine an outcome, but if the future is already fixed he already knows it. "
fractalfires1 4 days ago
Gordon Clark is undisciplined in his arguments. He claims the distinction between an ultimate and immediate cause is important. He does a song and dance, and then goes on to show how God is the IMMEDIATE cause of Judas' betrayal of Christ when he gave the false impression he was going to show how God was the ULTIMATE cause. Bate and switch. Then he concludes God can do anything he wants anyway and says 'what a good boy am I'.
Worst abuse of logic I have ever read. EVER.
fractalfires1 1 week ago
@fractalfires1
Correction:
Theres no room for 'Mercy' in Calvinism, only for 'Injust Partiality'
Isaiah1v18 1 week ago
@ TheDarkKnightBatMann "Jesus told the pharisees to learn about mercy; you need to learn about it too."
In Calvinism, God PURPOSELY manufactures DEAD babies in the Womb, who Purposed their DAMNATION in His Heart & Mind from Eternity Past, engineering them TO SIN from the Moment of conception, lacking ALL ABILITY to repent & Beg for Mercy, FATING them to BURN FOREVER then "commands" them to repent to 'drive the nails deeper into their coffen' -wcof
Theres no room for 'Mercy', just 'Partiality'
Isaiah1v18 1 week ago
@Isaiah1v18 exactly. Their wretched idol is partial in justice and partial in mercy.
I just posted dozens of quotes from Calvin on another vid. This lady didn't believe that Calvin taught that predestination/reprobation was founded solely in the arbitrary will of God and not because of anything in the person being elected or reprobated. She figures the damned are such because of their sin. If so, then why aren't all saved? Calvinism is sweet puke
fractalfires1 1 week ago
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@WCOFTheology "Calvinism is nothing more than RIGHT interpretation of the Bible! "
"God is the ultimate cause of sin (pedophila)"
"God decrees every detail of the sin"
"you can give your wife the finger on your deathbed and Jesus would still accept you"
Swayzee, so you live in Henderson NC. God knows a lot.
fractalfires1 1 week ago
All this back and forth is completely useless. The God I serve is able to save people who have no desire to love Him, and those that think it was their idea in the first place. The gentleman JackMWolfe says Arminius refuted Calvinism. This is an absurd untruth. Read your history. Anyway, Calvinism is just a nickname for the teachings of Scripture. Deal with it honestly and God will reward you with His Grace.
468297 1 week ago
@468297 "Deal with it honestly and God will reward you with His Grace."
So grace is a result of works? I thought you were trying to argue for Calvinism. Yet, here you state that grace is the REWARD for being good. That's not a very convincing argument against Arminianism.
fractalfires1 1 week ago
Oh my GOODNESS!! Who is this guy? I believe in predestination and if you want to call me a Calvinist that's fine, but I have never ever ever taught about committing suicide due to not being able to convince people about the Gospel or because someone is or is not chosen. This guy, in nice terms, is totally dumb....
vicesquad08 1 week ago
@vicesquad08 - Amen.
ChristianityChannel 1 week ago
This is so sad. To see this type of drivel being passed off as preaching of the word of God is truly sad. I will not be viewing any more of your videos.
468297 1 week ago
@468297 - Amen.
ChristianityChannel 1 week ago
Cant debunk Calvinism....its right there in the Bible. So whats the difference between someone who believes in Calvinism and someone who doesnt? Its the person reading the Bible in the Holy Spirit....or without it.
TheK1ngdom 3 weeks ago
@TheK1ngdom Calvinism has been refuted for centuries - ever since Arminius gave a biblical refutation in the 1500's - & nothing has changed since then just as you witnessed with Channeler's inability to answer Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9. Calvinists are among the most biblically illiterate cultists - the only reason anyone falls into Calvinism in the 1st place is sheer bible ignorance & the only reason anyone stays in it is by rebelling against all the corrective verses which totally refute it.
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe I agree.
TheK1ngdom 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe The selfishness of Calvinism is absolutely sickening to my stomach.
Luke 23:34- Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
TheK1ngdom 3 weeks ago
@TheK1ngdom "The selfishness of Calvinism is absolutely sickening to my stomach"
Exactly. Calvinism is an easy-believism perversion which appeals to the worst aspects of man's fallen nature: pride & selfishness, & tries to justify itself on the basis of upholding God's sovereignty for Him - which God has never once told anyone to do. Calvinists revile & reject a God who would come as a humble servant of mankind & then offer salvation as a GIFT - they reject Christ & follow a counterfeit.
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe Jack, you need to get a life.
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
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@Channeler "you need to get a life"
Those who follow God's word have life & they follow Christ who IS the word of God. Your chronic evasion of Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 has revealed that you reject the real gospel & the genuine Christ for the doctrines of demons & a Satanic counterfeit. As always, you've been exposed as an imposter & completely silenced by God's word - so return to the worm hole you crawled from & await destruction in the Lake of Fire, you depraved, lying coward.
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
What about all the people God ordered killed in the Old Testament? If He had them killed then, why cannot He have the power to save whom He will?
n8ssavedbygrace 3 weeks ago
@n8ssavedbygrace ISA 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
fractalfires1 3 weeks ago
@n8ssavedbygrace Isaiah 50:1...Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away. 2 Wherefore, when I came, was there no man? when I called, was there none to answer? Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? or have I no power to deliver?
(There is an obstacle to pardon. It is called sin. God doesn't zap people with a remote and lack of conversion doesn't imply a lack of power.)
fractalfires1 3 weeks ago
@n8ssavedbygrace On the contrary, if He is good as you maintain, then why is his goodness defective to save all if monergism is true?
fractalfires1 3 weeks ago
@fractalfires1 Who are you to say God's goodness is defective, just b/c you don't like it that He does not want many, many people in this world, and does not love them? I say He is Good and Glorious! Quit complaining against God!
WCOFTheology 2 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology "Who are you to say God's goodness is defective,"
God's goodness is not defective at all Jeff. But who am I to complain against the devil whom you hold to BE God? Easy. I like every human being, now and in the future state, will in our consciences, forever condemn such an amoral petty capricious unjust, partial, unmerciful gnat as you preach. God is good and glorious, but the one you advocate is a joke.
fractalfires1 2 weeks ago
@fractalfires1 You should admit openairpreacher is right and disown your god and become and atheist, until you burn in hell or give up your pride and worship the one true God, the Glorious God of the Bible, which Calvinism so adequately describes.
WCOFTheology 2 weeks ago
@WCOF "the Glorious God of the Bible which Calvinism so adequately describes"
The bible describes a loving heavenly Father Who sent His only begotten Son as a humble Servant, redeemed mankind, & offers salvation to ALL of them as a free gift. Your cursed gospel describes Him as a narcissistic megalomaniac who creates helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell in order to glorify himself. You revile, reject, & blaspheme the True God of the bible for a counterfeit dirtbag!
JackMWolfe 2 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe Blah, blah, blahdy-blah-blah-blah! You will burn one Day for God's good pleasure, unless you repent, and trust in Christ alone for your salvation!
WCOFTheology 2 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Ezekiel 18.
You are amazingly arrogant, and utterly distant from the heart of God. Honestly, you completely do not comprehend the mercy or grace of God. Your quest for self-glorification has led you to false doctrine, and a heart far from the God of the Bible.
Jesus told the pharisees to learn about mercy; you need to learn about it too.
TheDarkKnightBatMann 2 weeks ago
@TheDarkKnightBatMann YOU have no understanding! Of course God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, b/c they are under His fierce Hatred and Wrath, His pleasure comes from demonstrating His Attributes to Glorify Himself.
WCOFTheology 2 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology This is possibly the worst description of God I have ever heard!
TheDarkKnightBatMann 1 week ago
@WCOF Your response to the REAL gospel & genuine Christ is always to open that filthy, condemned snout & blaspheme them. And like the rest of your herd of Kalvin Kowards, you continue to run from simply standing before God according to Heb10:30 & agreeing that His judgment fall NOW upon the imposters here who are promoting a false gospel & blaspheming Him - you refuse because you KNOW it's you! You've been totally exposed as Satan's son by God's word & by your own pathetic cowardice!
JackMWolfe 2 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe You don't have the Gospel, nor do you teach it! I DO!
WCOFTheology 2 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology You are mad.
TheDarkKnightBatMann 1 week ago
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fractalfires1 1 week ago
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ChristianityChannel 2 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - The bible reveals the Holy God sent His only begotten Son as a sarifice for sin, the Savior of believers. His gospel is proclaimed to the world yet men will not hear; will not see. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified!
ChristianityChannel 2 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology Why do we need calvinism to describe God? Why can't we just read the Bible? This breaks TWO commandments: 1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
calvinism is indeed damnable heresy.
TheDarkKnightBatMann 2 weeks ago
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@TheDarkKnight "This breaks TWO commandments: thou shalt have no other gods before me, thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"
Calvinists do worse than that - change God's word, cause division in the Body, bear false witness about others, misrepresent God's character, cause unbelievers to reject God, & blaspheme the Holy Spirit - all death penalty offenses in the Old & New Testament. The last one is unforgiveable & is what Calvinism ultimately leads to - Channeler & WCOF are lost.
JackMWolfe 2 weeks ago
@TheDarkKnightBatMann Calvinism is nothing more than RIGHT interpretation of the Bible! You can read the Bible for yourself but if you come away with a different interpretation than the principles of Calvinism,YOU have misinterpreted and are deceived by the devil, or your own depravity.
WCOFTheology 2 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology No I am deceived by puppet master, who predestinated that I would be deceived, for his glory.
TheDarkKnightBatMann 1 week ago
@WCOFTheology "Calvinism is nothing more than RIGHT interpretation of the Bible! "
"God is the ultimate cause of sin (pedophila)"
"God decrees every detail of the sin"
"you can give your wife the finger on your deathbed and Jesus would still accept you"
fractalfires1 1 week ago
@fractalfires1 So, if Christ died for all, and all are not saved, did He fail?
n8ssavedbygrace 1 week ago
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@n8ssavedbygrace "So, if Christ died for all, and all are not saved, did He fail?"
By fail, do you mean that God did a work to bring about salvation and that this effort was in vain?
Jer 2:30 30 In vain have I smitten your children; they received no correction:
You are a Calvinist and you will go to hell.
God also sent prophets to save Israel and many did not repent. Was that God's failure or their failure to comply with the condition for pardon?
You twist Scripture
fractalfires1 1 week ago
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@n8ssavedbygrace "So, if Christ died for all, and all are not saved, did He fail?"
Jeremiah 35:17 "because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard" Did God fail to open their ears? See also Jer 29:19 Jere 32:32-35
"33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction. "
Yet, Jesus said that they shall ALL be taught by God. Did God fail? Answer me.
fractalfires1 1 week ago
Man cannot seek for God, because we were created in God's image. God can't give another rights to His life and His thoughts, how can man if man is created in God's image?
n8ssavedbygrace 3 weeks ago
@jackmwolfe not everyone gets the title "child of God" john 1:12-13 but to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
RedemptionFORus 3 weeks ago
@RedemptionFORus Irenaeus c. 180AD wrote: According to nature then they are his children, because they have been so created; but according to their works, they are not his children....being disinherited, are still their sons in the course of nature, but by law are disinherited...so in the same way it is with God."
fractalfires1 3 weeks ago
@fractalfires1
"Irenaeus c. 180AD wrote: . . ."
In 31-33 A.D. Jesus said . . .
"You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
Bill244888 3 weeks ago
@Bill244888 "In 31-33 A.D. Jesus said . . .
"You are of your father the devil"
That's not kind for you to say of me. Why would you call me a son of the devil when I am doing my best to confirm everything I believe God shows me to the ultimate best of my ability? I love God and he has saved me from a wicked life. I believe Jesus died for me and rose from the dead. I preach that forgiveness of sins is in Jesus only.
Maybe Jesus was referring to people like you Bill.
fractalfires1 3 weeks ago
@fractalfires1
"Maybe Jesus was referring to people like you Bill."
I was not calling you or anyone else a child of the devil. I don't have that knowledge or authority.
It was in reference to your assertion that all men are God's children.
Bill244888 3 weeks ago
@Bill244888 all men are God's children by nature, but not all are by doctrine and obedience. Just as a man may disinherit his children by nature and may make an heir out of a stranger, so may God. In Genesis the sons of God went into the daughters of men. Whoever these sons were, they certainly were not obedient children.
fractalfires1 2 weeks ago
@fractalfires1 Well, I see you have blocked me, nothing new. I can't help you when you refuse to listen!
WCOFTheology 2 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology "Well, I see you have blocked me, nothing new. I can't help you when you refuse to listen! "
I'm only trying to help you Jeff.
fractalfires1 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888 In fact, if you had bothered to read Irenaeus, he cites that very Scripture as proof of his argument that we are all God's children. He explains that Jesus called them 'you are of your father the devil' because such were children of the devil by DOCTRINE, not by NATURE.They obeyed the devil and therefore disqualified themselves as children of God by inheritance. The natural sons are not heirs, but those appointed by testament. If you're not in covenant, you disqualify
fractalfires1 2 weeks ago
its so funny how guys like this lean on their own understanding of how God is and who he is and his attributes. this guy is so self righteous to say he made his decision to be saved. foreloved, predestined, justified, glorified!!!
RedemptionFORus 3 weeks ago
To Jack, Frac, & the rest,
In utmost sincerity, I urge you to heed the words of Paul . . .
" Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!"
2 Cor 13:5 (ESV)
Bill244888 3 weeks ago
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@CBALLEN "you won't have a chance against my God"
Your god is Satan himself - step forth with him & agree that God's judgment be poured out now according to Heb10:30 upon the imposters here who are preaching a false gospel & blaspheming Him - "We know Him Who said, Vengeance is Mine; I will repay says the Lord. And again, The Lord will judge & determine & solve & settle the cause & the cases of His people" You & your gutless friends refuse because you know the counterfeits are YOU!
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
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JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
CBALLEN 4 weeks ago
@CBALLEN 1Cor2:14 "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God"
It's referring to YOU - verified by your rambling, unspiritual gibberish. The Holy Spirit left you long ago because of your blasphemy & rejection of God's word. You're now doomed to twist scriptures to your own destruction until the day you're cast into the Lake of Fire along with the demons who now possess you. You only serve as a warning to others to get off Calvin's destructive road.
JackMWolfe 4 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe Do you have canned responses? I've seen the same comments that you used to answer me with,used to answer everyone. Do you just cut and paste the same ones all the time?
CBALLEN 3 weeks ago
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@WCOFTheology Here's your blasphemous errors.
1. You hold that the moral law is founded in the will of God.
2. You hold that Jesus did not owe obedience to the moral law as a man on earth.
3. You hold that since Jesus didn't owe obedience to the moral law himself that he could perform works of supererogation and that this storehouse of excess good deeds could then be transferred to the accounts of others.
4. You hold Jesus had 2 personalities, a human one and the Son of God. Neither obligated
fractalfires1 1 month ago
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@WCOFTheology "Jesus did not need saving, He is the SAVIOUR!" He was born saved to you, to use the phrase loosely as you normally do. Since he is the saviour, WHO does he save from hell? Your god is too weak and to partial in his mercy and justice to save those you claim are predestined to eternal damnation. Jeff, WHO does the Saviour save from hell in your version of Calvinism?
fractalfires1 1 month ago
In Calvinism, to OBEY is Gods "Sovereign Hand of Grace", TO SIN is God removing His hand & DECREEING that they SIN for "His GOOD pleasure" to "Glorify Himself".
Regardless whether they SIN or NOT, they FULFILL & Glorify Gods Will & inherit ETERNAL LIFE. Its the ultimate WIN-WIN CARNAL idea for those who are still SLAVES of SIN.
No matter how creatively they rename their ideas in an cowardly attempt to 'Sugarcoat' their doctrines, THIS IS EXACTLY what they preach. They are SLAVES of sin indeed
Isaiah1v18 1 month ago
In Calvinism, 2b 'converted' is 2b illuminated with the IDEA of being CHOSEN/ELECT while SINNING willingly, as they say, "has been DECREED by God from the foundation of the world."
To OBEY is Gods "Sovereign Hand of Grace", TO SIN is God removing His hand & DECREEING that they SIN for "His GOOD pleasure" to "Glorify Himself". Regardless whether they SIN or NOT, they FULFILL & Glorify Gods Will & inherit ETERNAL LIFE. Its the ultimate WIN-WIN CARNAL idea for those who are still SLAVES of SIN.
Isaiah1v18 1 month ago
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@Isaiah1v18
Post it on as many videos as you want it still doesn't make your ignorant ramblings any more true
Bill244888 1 month ago
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@Bill244888 "Post it on as many videos as you want it still doesn't make your ignorant ramblings any more true"
Giving Isaiah permission to post what he wants on video doesn't make your assertion any more true that his posts are 'ignorant ramblings'. Think about that
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@Isaiah1v18 amen. Their idea of conversion is that if a person believes in Calvinism that this belief is proof of being converted. Thus they figure a change of opinion from not believing Calvinism to believing it constitutes conversion. They have utterly mistaken the Biblical notion of conversion.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
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@fractalfires1
"Their idea of conversion is that if a person believes in Calvinism that this belief is proof of being converted."
A complete understanding of reformed theology is not a requirement for salvation, but a heart that submits to clear biblical text is surely evidence of salvation. So, on that note, what's your understanding of Eph. 1:3-6 or Rom. 9:15-16?
Bill244888 1 month ago
@fractalfires1 "Their idea of conversion is that if a person believes in Calvinism this is proof of being converted"
Exactly, & it demonstrates there can never be any genuine fellowship between the 2 camps because the issues involve totally antithetical doctrines & deities. Calvinists revile & blaspheme the REAL God who came as a Servant, purchased redemption for mankind, & offers it to all men as a gift. They follow a counterfeit who forces salvation on some & denies it to others - a dirtbag
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
@JackMWolfe
Wait Jack, you forgot about the alternative way of salvation for those who haven't heard the gospel. They somehow are miraculously able to keep their own internal law perfectly.
Did I get that right?
You're such a biblical hack!
Bill244888 1 month ago
@Bill "Did I get that right?"
No, & you misrepresent Paul's general statement in Rom1 that men are saved by the light they have which could be only the witness of creation & their own conscience - which he specifically confirms in Rom2:15 by stating that those who obey their conscience will be excused from God's judgment. And you have no answer for the fact that Abraham, Rahab, the Ninevites, & MANY others were saved by a message other than the gospel. You're ignorant & a willful deceiver.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
@JackMWolfe
Rom. 2:14-15a
"For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, . . ."
What is "the work of the law", Jack?
To bring righteousness, or convict of sin?
Bill244888 1 month ago
@JackMWolfe
Romans 1 speaks of nothing but condemnation for the willful sin and suppression of the truth that they have been given. There is no salvation clause in Rom. 1 as you erroneously claim.
Bill244888 1 month ago
@Bill 1st, you CONTINUE to avoid the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites (& there are many others) who were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel which completely refutes your stupid assertion that people can only be saved by the gospel - so all your inane gibberish about the meaning of Rom1&2 is moot anyway. 2nd, Rom1 says those who disobey the light they have will be WITHOUT EXCUSE ie, it's enough to be saved - otherwise they WOULD have an excuse! What an idiot.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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@JackMWolfe
"you CONTINUE to avoid the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites"
I answered you question FIVE times on video comments and even posted as a message on your channel but it never showed up, so to sit there and lie REPEATEDLY LIE and claim I never answered really undermines your credibility (as if you had any to start with). OK genius, how were they saved, if it wasn't by faith and Christ paying for their sins, as I told you over and over and over and over and over and over?
Bill244888 1 month ago
@JackMWolfe
Were they able to keep the law perfectly like those who have never heard the gospel?
Bill244888 1 month ago
@JackMWolfe
They will be without excuse because they can not claim ignorance of God's existence. So Christ is not necessary for salvation?
Do you actually claim to be a Christian?
Bill244888 1 month ago
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@Bill Paul didn't say anything about keeping the Law perfectly to be saved in Rom1&2 nor have I - & you continue to avoid the fact that Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites (and many others) were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel - which already refutes your idiotic claim that people can only be saved by the gospel. Discussing your mindless gibberish which misrepresents Rom1&2 isn't even needed - so go stick your filthy snout in a bucket of Reformed swill till you drown.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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@Bill Paul says NOTHING about keeping the Law perfectly to be saved in Rom1&2 nor have I - & you continue to avoid the fact that Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites (and many others) were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel, which already refutes your idiotic claim that people can only be saved by the gospel - so discussing your mindless ignorance which misrepresents what Paul says in Rom1&2 isn't even needed. Shuffle along now, you idiot.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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@Bill Again, your asinine remarks about Rom1&2 are moot & irrelevant - the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites who were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel already completely refutes your ignorant comment that people can only be saved by the gospel. Obey Christ for once - go tie a millstone around your neck & drop yourself in the nearest lake, it's obviously the only cure for your willfull blindness & everyone, including yourself, will be much better off.
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
@Bill Your ignorant gibberish about Rom1&2 is moot & irrelevant - it's already been refuted simply by the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites who were all saved by responding to a message other than the gospel. As ALWAYS, you've been argued to stone cold dead SILENCE about your abominations by God's word - all you can do is spam out the refutation & run away like a frightened squirrel to other videos & post the same lies - you're not only a confirmed deceiver but a coward as well.
JackMWolfe 4 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe
OK genius, how were they saved, if it wasn't by faith and Christ paying for their sins, as I told you over and over and over and over and over and over?
Bill244888 4 weeks ago
@Bill "how were they saved if it wasn't by faith & Christ paying for their sins?"
They WERE saved by faith & by Christ paying for their sins but NOT by hearing the gospel which you claimed was the only way anyone can be saved - their example contradicts your ignorant statement just as Paul does in Rom1&2 when he says those who don't have access to the light of the Law or the gospel but obey the light of their conscience will be saved. Are you the only one unaware of just how blind you are?
JackMWolfe 4 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe
Who's the one running from their original claim?
Can those who have never heard the gospel be saved by perfectly obeying their internal law?
It's a simple question.
What is "the work of the law" that's written on their hearts? Is it to convict of sin or bring righteousness?
Bill244888 4 weeks ago
@Bill244888 I see he still hasn't learned a thing,I feel for you Bill,he's like talking to a glassy eyed J.W..No one goes to Heaven without hearing and believing the Gospel.He thinks God gave man the Law to be saved by it,even when I believed as an Arminian I knew better than that.
CBALLEN 4 weeks ago
@CBALLEN
They get into such a blind rage hatred for anything that even hints of reformed theology that they can't even stop to consider what the text of scripture actually says. He claims some salvation loop-hole in Romans 1 & 2 for those who have never heard the gospel.
I really wonder if they have any grasp of what the true gospel actually is.
I keep reminding myself that Saul/Paul hurled venomous hatred at the church prior to his conversion as well.
Bill244888 4 weeks ago
@Bill244888 Yep.if Jack and his pals get saved God will probably have to do something that radical too.
CBALLEN 4 weeks ago
@Bill244888 Here is what one of Jack's heros believes:Greg Boyd states that the “traditional view of God” found in the confessions of the Church “needed to be attacked and rejected"So the God of Classical Christianity needs to be rejected,Boyd even goes futher.This is what has been called
“the truth of atheism.” The god
which made human life unlivable
must be proclaimed dead that free
humanity may live.
See why he hates us so much?There is o so much more too.
CBALLEN 4 weeks ago
@CBALLEN Whenever a Calvinist has been exposed for manipulating scripture, evasion, willfull blindness, false accusations, causing division, blaspheming the Holy Spirit, etc, you always show up to cheer them on - you're a poster boy for every artifice Satan has ever devised to destroy others, a true son of the devil. You were refuted for claiming the only way to be saved is thru the gospel & ran from the examples of Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites just like Bill did. You're both apostate cowards
JackMWolfe 4 weeks ago
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@JackMWolfe So your boy and you want to destroy the God of scripture and replace Him with your mambe pambe ity bity god,who wouldn't hwrt a wittle fwy.Your open theist god is a piss poor replacement for the Living God,you can put him in your itty bitty wunch box and carwee him awound wiv you aw day wong and when you feewl unwoved you can weach in and puwl him out and he wiwl wub awl oba you,then you wiwl fewl alw betta..
CBALLEN 4 weeks ago
JackMWolf You've seen the build a bear store right?Why don't you open up a build your own god store?It would be great,you could sell 1 to every open theist and cultist around,they can build a god exactly like they want! Just think,you could be rich,rich,rich beyond your wildest dreams! Doug and Apollyon could be your first customers, you could also sell clothes & accessories 4 them too,and dress them in the best attire.They could build them as big or as small (like your god) as they want wow!
CBALLEN 4 weeks ago
@CBALLEN Oh, the "build a god" store that is a great idea for a video, LOL, I'm going to have to put my mind to that one. If I come up with something I'l give you the credit! ROFL
WCOFTheology 4 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology LOL,NO NEED TO CREDIT ME,CREDIT THE IDOLATERS.He,He.
CBALLEN 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe Joh_8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Abraham WAS saved through the Gospel, YOU LIE!
WCOFTheology 4 weeks ago
@WCOF More gibberish & scripture twisting. Abraham was shown the gospel later, but his original calling was to simply leave the land of Ur & go to a land that God would show him - he was NOT responding to the gospel. Abraham, Rahab, the Ninevites, & MANY others were all saved without responding to the gospel of Christ. You're not just an ignorant fool but a liar & deceiver who twists God's word & rips verses out of context to mislead others - you've been exposed as a Satanic imposter.
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WCOFTheology 3 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology Hey Jeff,would you trust someone that you never met before,leave your family,God(s),land ect.To go to some place this person it telling you to go if you weren't given some reason to trust them?Wouldn't it take an act of God to cause one to believe that what they are saying is true, before you'd ever leave and follow them???Especially when the rest of my family would be calling me crazy for what I was about to do?
CBALLEN 3 weeks ago
@CBALLEN Yes it would take an act of God! Did you see when I quoted him Scripture he called me Satanic?
WCOFTheology 3 weeks ago
@WCOF You didn't just quote a scripture, you ADDED your Satanic doctrines to it & tried to make it say something else - that makes you a false prophet & under a death sentence under both the Old & New Testaments. Your grasping at such a false interpretation is moot anyway - the argument is refuted by the fact there are MANY examples other than Abraham who were saved by other means than hearing the gospel of Christ - you ignored the examples of Rahab & the Ninevites. You're a confirmed deceiver.
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe Look at my comment again, I gave NO commentary just copy and paste Scripture. You have NO way of knowing HOW much they knew and understood, you are arguing from silence, therefore you are doing nothing but guessing, and hoping you are right!
WCOFTheology 3 weeks ago
@WCOF LOL, you didn't just quote a scripture - you offered it to support the ridiculous notion that Abraham was saved by putting his faith in the gospel of Christ when the account in Gen12 gives EXACTLY what God told him & it had NOTHING to do with the gospel of Christ - "Leave your own country & your relatives & come into the land I will show you. I will make you a great nation & I will bless those who bless you, curse him who curses you" YOU'RE arguing from silence! You're a liar & deceiver
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - I see you are over here now making a mockery of Christianity. If you want to stand toe-to-toe with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, if you want to see how your poor excuse for a gospel measures up; bring it out into the open. Dig it up, pull it from it's pit and shine a light on it; AND THE NEXT TIME YOU DARE ENGAGE ME IN CONVERSATION DO SO WITH INTELLIGENCE AND NOT FOOLISHNESS.
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@ChristianityChannel Now he is saying that teaching you must believe the Gospel is Satanic!! ???????
WCOFTheology 3 weeks ago
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@WCOFTheology
"Now he is saying that teaching you must believe the Gospel is Satanic!! ???????"
There is no possible way that anyone indwelt by the Holy Spirit could spew some of the garbage that they do.
"Lord, Lord, did I not defend the gospel in Acts 17:29&30 on YouTube?"
You know the next line . . .
Bill244888 3 weeks ago
@Channeler LOL,who are you trying to fool? I'm here exposing your apostate confederates as imposters just as I did with YOU in the "All of Calvinism refuted by one verse" video. Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 exposes your gospel as an abomination, your evasion exposes you as a willfull deceiver, & your refusal to agree for God's judgment to fall upon the counterfeits according to Heb10:30 exposes you all as gutless cowards. Did you stalk me here to confirm for others what a liar & coward you are?
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - You mean you ran off like a coward when I challenged you to dig up that dead thing that you call the gospel (you know the one you keep burried in the ground so it can continue to decay) and bring it into the light to be examined by God's Holy Word. You refuse. You run away. Put your gospel message in a paragraph Jack; 500 characters of less and let's turn on the light and scare the neighbors. Did I stalk you? Did you run away? Who is the coward?
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@Channeler You're lying again - you've been running for MONTHS from the gospel Paul gave to the Athens pagans in Acts17:29-30 saying that ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE & from Christ's declaration in Mt22:8-9 that salvation is by INIVITATION & for all people - both these verses contradict the cursed BAD news you preach & you have NO answer for them except to chant Calvinist doctrines hoping they'll vanish. You're an apostate, a liar, & a coward.
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - Come on Jack! Here we go again; I speak and you don't listen. I will repeat for your benefit; quid pro quo Jack, quid pro quo. Tell us about your "regeneration + sanctifying works = salvation" theory. Give me a 500 character explanation of what Y-O-U believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ to be. That's the heart of the issue; let's get to the point Jack; stop stalling. Everyone is waiting with baited breath to hear the JackMWolfe version of the gospel. Pretty please.
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@Channeler Let me "bottom line" it for you again Kenny boy - you have NO answer to God's word in Acts17;29-30 & Mt22:8-9 which contradicts & refutes your damnable limited gospel. My gospel is the same as Paul's: now concentrate - ALL MEN are God's children, the gospel is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE & it's by INVITATION & for ALL people. Yours is the opposite - all men are NOT God's children, the gospel is LIMITED, & it's FORCED on just a FEW. Get it now Kenny? Yours is DIFFERENT than the bible's!
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - So you do not want to talk about the gospel according to JackMWolfe? I am not surprised. Your getting angry Jack. Did I strike a nerve? Are you afraid to bring your gospel into the public and to have it compared to the Gospel of Jesus Christ as revealed in the word of God? I think so. Quid pro quo Jack. Something for something. Bring that nasty thing you are hiding into the open so it may be understood by others what you worship; come on now, don't be shy.
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@Channeler Actually, Kenny boy - the main problem here is you're a gutless coward who refuses to just openly admit that you consider your gospel to be much better than the one Paul & Christ preached. You obviously have no huevos, why don't you pray for some & get back to us - or are you actually a girl? Dealing with such a frightened milksop makes me understand & relate to Christ vomiting your type out of His mouth. How can you stand looking in a mirror - how do you keep from getting sick?
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - Oh Jack! This gutless coward as you describe him is standing toe-to-toe with you, a very angry person who wants to envoke Gods wrath, who can't get his god do the deed so he is left hanging alone with some dead "regeneration + sanctifying works" monstrosity that he is supposed to peddle off on others as being an alive and effectual gospel. I feel your pain Jack, you have to cart that dead thing around and its decomposing bad; ewwww! Repent & believe the gospel Jack!
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@Channeler What a bunch of evasive gibberish! My gospel is the SAME as Paul's which he declared in Acts17:29-30, which Christ confirms in Mt22:8-9, all of which directly contradicts YOURS. You haven't been "standing toe to toe" with anyone but consistently running away from these verses - you have NO answer for their declaration that ALL men are God's children, that the gospel is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE, & that salvation is by INVITATION - the abomination you preach says exactly the OPPOSITE!
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - Evasive? Not standing toe to toe with you? Your gospel is not the same as Paul's that is why I asked you to specifically detail it for all to see and you cower at the challenge. I know why you cower Jack. You don't have the true gospel. Why not use the next 500 characters to explain the Gospel according to JackMWolfe? Are you anti-Evangelical? anti-Christian? Don't want to share JackMWolfe's gospel with the world? You prefer to hide it under a bushel.
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@Channeler Concentrate: Paul preached THE GOSPEL to the Athens pagans in Acts17 by declaring the life, resurrection & return of Christ, calling them to repent & believe in HIm, saying that all men are God's children & the message of salvation by repentance is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE - THAT's the true gospel & mine & it directly contradicts YOURS! You evade this by trying to focus on nebulous sanctification issues which are IRRELEVANT to the fact you promote a cursed gospel - you're running away!
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - Jack your "regeneration + sanctifying works" ≠ the gospel; visit my channel and you can view the Gospel. YOu will find no focus on what you call nebulous sanctification issues there. Your you can lose your salvation by not doing sacntifying works makes a mockery of the Gospel of Grace through Christ Jesus A-L-O-N-E!
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@Channeler LOL, nobody needs to visit your demonic channel to find the gospel Kowardly Ken - it's in Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 for all to see & which you continue to DENY & EVADE. ALL men are God's children, the gospel of Christ is for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE & it's by INVITATION. Instead, your abomination says all men are NOT God's children, the gospel is NOT for all men everywhere & it's FORCED on only a FEW. When will you stop running away from your OWN gospel Kenny boy? What are you ashamed of?
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe They need to hear it somewhere Jack and they surely will not get it from you or from your Music Idolatry Channel so my offer stands; come visit my channel if you want to hear the gospel explained pure and simple with all the power of the the God of the Bible.
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@Channeler Your new strategy is hilarious. After running for months from Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 which destroy your ENTIRE theology from the foundation up, finally being cornered & having your cowardice exposed, your strategy is now to climb in a squirrel cage & run away without going anywhere!. The verses remain right there in front of you & everyone can see you have NO answer for the fact that your cursed "gospel" doesn't agree with them! Kowardly Ken has become Kenny the Klown! Run Ken, run!
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
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ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - Run Jack? I am in the Scriptures daily. =0) Your take on reality is disconcerting Jack because, as I have pointed out before, one must conclude (after observing your behavior here on YouTube) that you are delusional, not only unwilling to deal with the truth of the scriptures, but also the truth that is found in normal day-to-day conversations, now who is the one running away from reality, Jack? Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ Jack. Jesus Christ is LORD!
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@Channeler LOL, doesn't the whirring of that squirrel cage ever bother you? Acts17:29-30 & Mt22:8-9 are still right in your face refuting everything you profess. You still have NO answer for them & call OTHERS delusional & unwilling to deal with scripture - you're a poster boy for delusional projection! Here's a clue from God's word Kenny: get the forest out of your OWN eye 1st - start by admitting your gospel doesn't agree with the one Paul preached in Acts17;29-30 & with Christ in Mt22:8-9!
JackMWolfe 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe I should have found this one before when you were refuting Bill when he denied Romans 2. Irenaeus comments on the passage saying, "1. And that the Lord did not abrogate the natural [precepts] of the law, by which man is JUSTIFIED, which also those who were justified by faith, and who pleased God, did observe previous to the giving of the law, but that He extended and fulfilled them, is shown from His words... (cites Matthew 5)
fractalfires1 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe I found something hilarious in Irenaeus. He says the spiritual disciple should ask the Marcionites, "How can he be good...WHY is his goodness which does not save all, defective?' The Marcionites were a gnostic group who taught monergism.
fractalfires1 3 weeks ago
@JackMWolfe - Let me bottom-line it for you Jack. Let it be understood that I've attempted to introduce you to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I don't want you (or anyone) to perish in their sin. Your gospel is incorrect Jack. You're clinging to that which is unbiblical; something that doesn't save. I am not asking you to do back flips or push a peanut down the road with your nose Jack. I am telling you to fear God, read and believe the Scriptures. Repent and believe the Gospel!
ChristianityChannel 3 weeks ago
@WCOFTheology Oh yeah,Jack ,Doug and Apollyon are constantly mocking scripture.They don't believe it and think it's foolishness just like the Bible says all men without the spirit will.Scripture to them is just a stumbling block that gets in the way of their humanist doctrines.The open theists want to destroy the God of the scriptures and replace Him with some limp wristed ,sugar coated screw-up,just like them.
CBALLEN 3 weeks ago
@Bill244888 You can find more about the open theist's god just by reading
A Review of Gregory Boyd’s "Trinity and Process" by Faith Defenders.This will show you exactly why these Open Theist. LUNATICS rage so much against the God of the Bible and all who call Him Lord.Ps 2:1 Why do the nations rage, and the peoples imagine a vain thing?Jn 15:18 If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.
CBALLEN 4 weeks ago
@Bill244888 He also gets disputed and refuted mixed up,he thinks just because he disputes something,that means he's refuted it.
CBALLEN 4 weeks ago
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@JackMWolfe
Who's the one running from their original claim?
Can those who have never heard the gospel be saved by perfectly obeying their internal law?
It's a simple question.
What is "the work of the law" that's written on their hearts? Is it to convict of sin or bring righteousness?
Speak up oh man of courage!
Bill244888 4 weeks ago
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@WCOFTheology I knew you'd say that so that I can tell you that in the SAME way, nobody that is elect from eternity is saved either.
Saved from what?
Then again, your theology represents every human being as PERFECTLY obeying God. They might disobey Scripture, but that is because you say they are obeying God's secret will. How is that disobedience? If anything is blasphemous...connect the dots Sherlock. You've denied Jesus' divinity lots, claiming 2 separate persons are in one body.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
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@fractalfires1 "Saved from what?"
From Hell which is YOUR future abode you heretical blasphemer! Jesus did NOT need to be saved! The elect are NOT born saved either. NO ONE ever said they were. They are predestined to hear the gospel, receive faith as a free gift from God, etc... God predestines the MEANS as well as the ends.
BUT you are so busy with your ridiculous straw man arguments and distortions you are blind to reason, Bible, and logic. You are just like RedBeetle CHUMP!
SmolyHoax 1 month ago
The o.t. saints weren't saved by obeying the law. They were saved by believing the prophets in believing in the coming of a reedemer.
rarariotify 1 month ago
@rarariotify
Agreed, but try explaining that to Jack the Wolf.
Bill244888 1 month ago
@rarariotify Amen! NO ONE has EVER been saved by keeping the law.
WCOFTheology 1 month ago
@WCOFTheology "Amen! NO ONE has EVER been saved by keeping the law."
Jesus was.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@fractalfires1"Jesus was" NO HE wasn't, again you blaspheme! Jesus did not need saving, He is the SAVIOUR! He, perfectly keeping the law, proved His perfection and His worthiness to be the only One able to be our(sinful man) perfect Sacrifice, and proved He is God in the flesh. Your whole doctrine is blasphemy that oozes from every pore. The very root of your doctrine is blasphemy.
WCOFTheology 1 month ago
@WCOFTheology I knew you'd say that so that I can tell you that in the SAME way, nobody that is elect from eternity is saved either.
Saved from what?
Then again, your theology represents every human being as PERFECTLY obeying God. They might disobey Scripture, but that is because you say they are obeying God's secret will. How is that disobedience? If anything is blasphemous...connect the dots Sherlock
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@WCOFTheology "Jesus did not need saving, He is the SAVIOUR!" He was born saved to you, to use the phrase loosely as you normally do. Since he is the saviour, WHO does he save from hell? Your god is too weak and to partial in his mercy and justice to save those you claim are predestined to eternal damnation. Jeff, WHO does the Saviour save from hell in your version of Calvinism?
fractalfires1 1 month ago
@WCOFTheology
Here's your blasphemous errors.
1. You hold that the moral law is founded in the will of God.
2. You hold that Jesus did not owe obedience to the moral law as a man on earth.
3. You hold that since Jesus didn't owe obedience to the moral law himself that he could perform works of supererogation and that this storehouse of excess good deeds could then be transferred to the accounts of others.
4. You hold Jesus had 2 personalities, a human one and the Son of God.
fractalfires1 1 month ago
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@rarariotify "The o.t. saints weren't saved by obeying the law. They were saved by believing the prophets in believing in the coming of a reedemer."
Is that true? The pharisees believed in a coming redeemer. I'm sure that many people believed in a coming redeemer, but did not keep the law and were cut off from the Abrahamic blessing. Were the Samaritans in the 400 plus years before Jesus came saved by believing in a coming redeemer?
fractalfires1 1 month ago
Amen keep preaching brother.
jcgordon65 1 month ago
cont...3
the thing is impossible and impracticable for fallen man: hence these words must be understood either hypothetically, thus, not the hearers of the law, but if there were any perfect doers of it, they would be justified before God; or else of such persons who are considered in Christ, by whom the whole perfect righteousness of the law is fulfilled in them, and who may be reckoned as perfect doers of it in him, their substitute, surety, and representative.
John Gill
WCOFTheology 1 month ago
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3rd, it's not disputed that man cannot & will not come to God on his own - God must supply a way back thru Christ & intervenes by convicting men of their sin & callihg them to repentance. What IS being disputed is Calvinism's claim that God creates helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell, that they're excluded from salvation, & that He sends them fake calls to repent but withholds their ability to obey it - all blasphemous & heretical. Calvinism is a doctrine of demons
JackMWolfe 1 month ago 2
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@Bill244888 Go ahead argue with Christ if you feel bold enough .Jn14:6"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, & the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
1st, you AGAIN evaded the fact that Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites weren't saved by hearing the gospel. 2nd, here's a hint: ALL forms of light come from Christ - the witness of creation, the conscience, the Law, the gospel, etc. Now concentrate: Jn14:6 doesn't negate salvation by ANY of those means, just as Rom1&2 says
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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@JackMWolfe "1st, you AGAIN evaded the fact that Abraham, Rahab, & the Ninevites weren't saved by hearing the gospel. 2nd, here's a hint: ALL forms of light come from Christ - the witness of creation, the conscience, the Law, the gospel, etc. Now concentrate: Jn14:6 doesn't negate salvation by ANY of those means, just as Rom1&2 says"
Good teaching
fractalfires1 1 month ago
No matter if you're Calvinist or OSAS Arminian, one thing that people need to understand is the difference between "heresy" and "false doctrine." False doctrine is a false teaching about scripture. Heresy is a false teaching about scripture that LEADS PEOPLE TO HELL: preaching a way of salvation apart from Jesus, faith, and repentance. Can you honestly say that Calvinism is leading people to hell? No. It is simply a different way of viewing God's sovereignty in salvation.
astherrien 1 month ago
@astherrien Calvinists promote a cursed gospel condemned by Gal1:7-9, blaspheme God by claiming He creates helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell, manipulate dozens of verses which put lying words into God's mouth, cause division in the Body, cause unbelievers to reject true Christianity thru their abominations, bear false witness about their protagonists beliefs & hide their own behind a thin veneer of orthodoxy. All are death penalty offenses leading AWAY from salvation
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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@WCOF You shouldn't be so concerned about others swallowing gnats when you have a camel stuck in your lying throat. You've been exposed as a blasphemer by contradicting Rom5:12, "sin came into the world thru one man, & death as the result of sin"- you instead say GOD brought sin into the world! And 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist, but YOU say He not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin! You're a confirmed apostate & a blasphemer
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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@WCOF You shouldn't be so concerned about others swallowing gnats when you have a camel stuck in your lying throat. You've been exposed as a blasphemer by contradicting Rom5:12, "sin came into the world thru one man, & death as the result of sin"- you instead say GOD brought sin into the world! And 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist, but YOU say He not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin! You're a confirmed apostate & a blasphemer
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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@WCOF You shouldn't be so concerned about others swallowing gnats when you have a camel stuck in your lying throat. You've been exposed as a blasphemer by contradicting Rom5:12, "sin came into the world thru one man, & death as the result of sin"- you instead say GOD brought sin into the world! And 1Cor10:13 which says God allows no one to be tempted beyond their ability to resist, but YOU say He not only allowed but even DECREED Adam's sin! You're a confirmed apostate & a blasphemer
JackMWolfe 1 month ago
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