omg i just want to scream at this guy "NO IT DOESN'T PROVE THAT JESUS EXISTED! IT PROVES THAT ANCIENT HISTORIANS WROTE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT JESUS EXISTED! IT'S HEARSAY!"
I have been looking for so long. Is there any writings by... idk, like an apostle from when Jesus was still alive? Or from Pilate or another Roman official? Or anyone that actually saw him or knew him? The reason you can't use the Bible for this is because there's like 4 versions of the same story. It's inconsistent
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Interesting video. I have to ask this though. Have you taking into account that paper probably didn't reach Judea until the 12th century. By that time Rome would have been Christian for hundreds of years. Have you found any info about process of the translations?
So they ate, and now were aware of good, evil, science, and also knew they were physically naked. So they tried and hide their nudity with leaves, it did not work. So the Lord gave them leather clothing to cover their nudity. God had to shed and animals blood to cover Adam and Eves nudity- shed blood by clothing them. When Jesus Christ shed blood/sacrificed himself for us, He clothed us with Salvation. By his Love and Grace we have salvation to cover our nudity/sin.
You read about some one who got stoned, and then say- i thought God is good. He is, it's called an eye for an eye. But now we have Jesus, he clensed all our sins by his blood. Why his blood? Blood is the onlh thing that covers our nudity. Vod told adam & eve not to eat from the tree of dcience , good, and evol, either way they disobayed do to listening tp the serpent.
Every doubtfull person who lacks evidence to disprove Jesus Christ needs to stop thinking. Just listen, try it out. You guys listen to history, but all the history that has been recorded for our b3nifit is in the bible. Most of all you ppl have never even read it. You guys have no direction about it and redicule it when some one is stoned.
EXCUSE ME EXCUSE? May I beg a question? Have you spoken to God? Have you spoken to Jesus? Have you spoken to Allah? Who told Muslims to pray to the East? Why East? How do minds of obvious command of speech spend so much time on this? I can as we speak write a book engaging the idea what you see above you is reverse mirror?
3) Flavius is incorrect on "nothing important"......
If something has a problem with it, it should be placed under heavy scrutiny before being used.
Again, NO proof of miracles. It says "wonderful works," but it could mean something like the whole "let ye who is without sin cast the first stone," where "God's power" wasn't even required or necessary.
You can prove Jesus existed, but you gotta prove the miracles.
1) Note that Tacitus never said anything about the miracles or the resurrection. He only states that Jesus was a person, and was killed by Pontius Pilate. It doesn't prove anything about how one needs to believe in Jesus, or how one even should be concerned about Heaven or Hell. Note that all that is said is "executed."
2)Lucian says the same thing. Doesn't prove that Jesus was the word of God, doesn't prove the resurrection, and doesn't at ALL indicate that Jesus was God (or the Son of God.)
@sutonchef Yea...it helps when the Catholic Church commands the burning of all other documents found and the murder of those in there possession in order to secure such an abundance of "Jesus Myths." However, the sheer number of books that have been written "about" Jesus bears absolutely ZERO weight as to show evidence of his existence. There are many books about Harry Potter but he's just an actor pretending to be someone that he isn't. Of course, that's Jesus in a "nutt" shell.
@Mikedogg13666 .............you can discredit history itself if you applied that same skepticism to Greece, Julius Ceaser, Hitler, the holocaust etc.. In fact there's more solid evidence of Jesus's existence than there is of Julius Ceaser, Socrates and Plato combined, a long list of people you likely take for granted as having existed. No serious historian denies the existence of Jesus.
@chaoskings35 There is. All they have to prove Plato's existence is his writings, in fact the only evidence of Socrates is Plato's writings about Socrates well after Socrates death. There is almost no solid evidence that Socrates lived. Curious that no one doubts Socrates existence. My point is if you can refute Christs existence you can refute a myriad of historical figures and facts, because we mostly only have scriptures and texts Doubt in history is just an expression of misanthropy.
@chaoskings35 You can't prove anything that happened in history for that very same reason. You either trust human beings or you don't. One has to question the incentive of a man for claiming he is the son of God and being willingly crucified, he would have to be insane. It can't be a story either, why? Because there's other vicarious accounts of Jesus in the writings of his contemporaries where the writer just alluded to him casually and his family, also mentioning his brother.
@chaoskings35 I see your point in trying to bend a little to make the point that Jesus wasn't a god. However, one single entry into Google will give you a plethora of evidence to prove the existence of Plato, Socrates and Julius Caesar. Statues, documents, first person accounts and a number of people he directly interacted with and affected as well as all of the impact we can account for today in literature. Jesus has a few tales of tales about him, long after he died.
@Mikedogg13666 lol? Really? Socrates did not leave us with a single writing, the only proof of his existence is Aristotle's comedic play. You're being dishonest. We have all the same things for Jesus. In fact we have more evidence for Jesus than both Ceasar and Socrates combined, both biblical and non-biblical. Google it..
@12Ominous You made a claim of three different people. Do not pick one and claim that I was wrong. I made it clear that I used Caesar as the example. YOU assumed that I was referring to all of them. You can not pull your bait and switch theist crap on me.
@Mikedogg13666 i agree, his point was horrible, besides i was just trying to show him his flawed logic without offending him to a point that i would have to argue with him as you have.it was just a hypothetical scenario.
@chaoskings35 That's cool. I know that sometimes debates can seem argumentative...however, the hopeful result is to promote reason for change. I stick with the discussion until I find that the outcome is either one of discovery one my part or theirs...or I see that they are just not listening at all. Then I withdraw form the struggle. I want to be convinced that I am wrong. I have just yet to have found any real argument.
@12Ominous Hmmm...I don't know what kind of crack you have been smoking...but it must be doing a number on your ability to read. You say that there is as much evidence to prove the existence of Jesus as there is to prove Julius Caesar, huh? Well let's have a look shall we? We have statues, hand written letters, first person accounts and accounts of those who have been in war with Julius Caesar to prove he existed. Jesus, we have the bible (60+years after he supposedly died)...Fail.
@Mikedogg13666 The epistols of Paul were written within 40 years of Jesus of death. Any accounts within 200 years are considered strong evidence. Also there's a detailed account by Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian, Emperor Hadrian who referred to the "Christians", followers of the man Christ (Josephus) who was crucified by Pilot, the first-century Roman Tacitus. There's a lot of evidence. But how about the thousands of people were willing to be killed by the Romans for Christ?
@12Ominous Here you go again with a list. Flavius didn't mention "knowing" Jesus. He wrote a story about him and his brother. I do not care rather or not that Jesus was a real person. We are arguing about his historical evidence in comparison to other figures. So, people referring to a person by their "nick name" doesn't constitute solid evidence. Also, people willing to die for a lie...Hitler...people died...because he lied. Same deal. Death for belief is as common as bread.
@Mikedogg13666 Whoa, the Jews didn't willingly die for God, they died because Hitler commanded it, that's much different than being given the choice of renouncing your belief in something or getting fed to a lion.
@12Ominous Are you actually reading my comments or just blabbing without point? Hitler didn't command shit. He convinced a country that the poverty that was plaguing them was the result of the Jews stealing their money and property with their ability to trick people. You just accused me of not "doing my research" and then you make a comment like that? Man, you are lost as can be. Dying for as god or dying for a man who acts like god is no different. They are both lairs and lies.
@Mikedogg13666 that was 49 minutes ago. But that's a lot different. Convincing someone to kill is much easier and different that giving someone a choice between dying and living. They could be, but so can anyone and anything. The question is why do you think this is lie, yet you believe everything else?
@12Ominous Ah, so 49 minutes makes your statement invalid? Wrong. Your god requires death to appease his disgusting lust for the smell of blood. Creating a race sick and commanding it upon torture and death to make itself well is the most atrocious thing imaginable...and you make a comparison to Hitler as if what he did was somehow less significant because you think the people had a choice? The German people had the same choice that you god gives. NONE, just lies and ultimatums.
@12Ominous Look, I'm not telling you what to believe or not to believe. However, if you want to justify your beliefs...like I did...you are going to have to read the positions against your beliefs and try to refute them. Know your opponents every argument, why the argument is being made and where they got their information. Then, when you have discovered that all of the things that you have been taught have been lies...you will end up like me. Former believer made Atheist, by religion
@Mikedogg13666, @Mikedogg13666, That's exactly why you ended up an atheist, you put your hope in religion. The bible: Jesus says "I am the path, the truth and the life, nobody gets to the Father except trough me." Stop thinking so much and put attention to Scripture and DO. Jesus says He is life. If your an atheist now, you must of been a christian that never read Revelation 3:16, or who knows. Atheist are religious, they do what they please; like religion. If you DO like Jesus your Christian.
@superunt43 I like to play chess but I do not play often. I think I get your meaning though. I do make my debate movements based upon strategic placement of pieces that are thought to have been winning movements by my opponent. I use their over confidence against them and take them to the floor. It deals with the same concept as chess. Learn every movement that can be made by your opponent, learn every counter movement that can be made by them and yourself,and continue to be patient.
@12Ominous There is a significant reason why your "historians" are not denying the existence of Jesus. Because there is a world full of indoctrinated, diluted, Jesus freaks that are digging for any single shred of dignity they can to empower there holy book. Even if he were a real person, the amount of actual historical evidence of his life is so infinitesimal that trying to make him anything but a loony Rabi would be a sever stretch. You cant say that it's fact because people believe
@Mikedogg13666 ....really, historians perform their job incompetently to appease Christians? : / . Would you be eaten by a lion for someone whom you had the slightest suspicious was deluded. I think you're just being deliberately antagonist towards Religion and are using the fallibility of history to undermine Christianity, yet you likely have complete trust in history in any other instance.
@12Ominous No...christian historians perform their job incompetently to appease Christians. You are assuming that these people had even the slightest clue that this guy wasn't diluted. They couldn't have known jack shit. They didn't have a firm basis of comparison. It's not like they had science breathing down their necks calling out their nonsense like we have today. You trust in science until it hits your religion on the balls and you dare to accuse me? You need to reflect.
@Mikedogg13666 But it's the overwhelming majority of historians who maintain Jesus existed, not the minority, surely they can't all be Christian. You have to assume faith in people. Why should I not have faith in those people but have complete faith in say the people who lived in the time of Aristotle? You're playing favorites. Science has not even gotten close to disproving anything. They just don't except belief without evidence, but it's not a flawless system.
@12Ominous Playing favorites...you've been reading Wikipedia again haven't you? Not everything that is written there coincides with reality...ok. Historians may agree that certain documents suggest that he was real. That doesn't state that they agree that he was. They have to make some assumptions in order to make any sense at all of the documents that they have found. I agree, science isn't flawless but "faith" isn't required. Reasonable expectations based on evidence works better.
Wait, so just because he didn't say the account was Hersey, you simply just assume that Tacitus had confirmed it? Lucian is an even worse example. He was born almost a century after this had happened. Hell when Alexander the Great was 24 Egyptians wrote about him in hieroglyphs. Why is it that we can only find people writing about this guy decades or even centuries after the account?
@shadywolf91 Oh! Oh! I can answer this! Lol...because the stories had already been drilled into the general public minds. In a time when death was a daily event and torture, starvation and disease, as well as a severe lack of education about the world around them was prevalent, people were grasping at anything that would give them solace enough to let them sleep. This story was already part of every culture for millennia but with different gods and demigods.
@Mikedogg13666 Why yes actually that does explain a lot. Not to mention just about every one of Yeshua's stories were copied and pasted from earlier Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Babylonian, and even Jewish mythologies (who borrowed from the Midianites and Canaanites). As well as who knows how many other mythologies. What is fascinating about this is how little people understand the difference between mythology (unless they are still practiced then its called religion) and history.
@shadywolf91 Right you are... I have been trying to debate a guy by the name"MoonwalkerWorshiper" and it seem that not only does he exhibit a severe lack of historical knowledge, he seems to lack the capacity to read as well. Not only his biblical literature correctly, but seemingly anything that I write. Or...he is an ass-hat. I'm leaning toward the latter. ;-)
@Mikedogg13666 Lol nice, a friend of mine recently told me that he is a literal 6day creationist and told me all this nonsense. Maybe I'll be able to talk some sense into him. Good luck with your person.
Cornelius Tacitus was not only born 22 years after the supposed death of Yeshua, but he got the history wrong, Paul and James the Just are responsible for the founding of Christianity, not Yeshua. Yeshua did not establish a church. And of course Constantine really got the ball going. Not to mention that the Christianity that exists to day wasn't put together until centuries after this all supposedly happened. Pliny was born 6 years after Tacitus.
Actually Constatine was the founder of Christianity. Sorry guy Jesus was not a Christian and it was not even a word in his time. He is the messiah and he had disciples following him, not.Christians. Everything else I.agree with.
@KingDavid478 Love it! I spend more time trying to explain the history of the bible than any other debate point. People have a misconception about the event line between the Christian religion of today and the origination of its concept. The number of books not added to the bible known today is incredible. Of course, it would be quite a different religion had they been included. They surely wouldn't be as portable, lol. I think Jesus would have been pissed to see it now, lol.
@KingDavid478 Yea, that's one of the arguments given when a theist knows almost nothing bout the historicity of Christianity in general. I have had people swear up and down that the religion as they currently know it, predates Abraham...I mean come on...it's one thing to not realize that the Catholic church is older than Jesus but to suggest that the sole sheep herder responsible for that whole mess was just explaining things, lol. I am astounded at the lack of comprehension.
Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Budaism, etc. ALL OF THEIR foundational BELIEFS, holy PRACTICES & fascinating stories ORIGINATED from either ancient Egyptology, Mythology, Astrology, even from other OLDER/UNPOPULAR religions. IT IS A FACT that these common beliefs & practises EXISTED 1000s of years BEFORE YOUR RELIGION came about. ALL of these BOOKS contain PLAGIARISM of PAGANISM!
Not that i see anything wrong in people believing Jesus did actually exist, it is difficult taking this analysis seriously. The guy who organized this are accepting the non-christian accounts without any reservations conserning simultainety, tendency and whether or not the accounts are based on hearsay. It is very clear that this guy have no training as a historian, because if he did the question would be a lot more murky.
@stud20084977 Have you seen the full discertation? The Pagan historians and journalists Josephus, and Philo among others, attest to the existance. of Jesus If that isn't good enough, why do you trust textbooks or media now? That is all hearsay too. The bible however, is eyewitness testimony. It is documented, if not by written word, but by the willing death of the witnesses in refusal to deny the Truth. To understand the truth, one must look into the anomolies and extrapolate all the evidence.
@777godwithme Josephus reference is disputed, about the only thing agreed upon is that he mentioned a Jesus was executed by Pilate. He also was writing 40+ years after the events.
And given that Philo wrote 46 years prior to Jesus' supposed birth, he doesnt mention him at all.
@Spiderpope The Bible is a compilation of heavily edited writings. Work on the new testament was not begun until several decades after Jesus' supposed life. The only "witnesses" were the founders of he church who had a vested interest in perpetuating the myth of Jesus' divinity.
The bible is factually wrong about the majority of its claims, why should anyone believe the story of Jesus is completely true either.
@CrawDad1131 Majority, not major. Including, Eden, Genesis, The Flood, The Roman census, Nazareth, The Earth as centre of the universe, date of the earth, number of generations of man prior to the 1st century B.C.
To the ignorant in reading responses LOL. A.D. does not mean AFTER DEATH ...A.D. is an abbreviation for the Latin words Anno Domini which translates to "In the year of the Lord" Referring to the years after the birth of Christ not the death of Christ. So before you make stupid comments please do your homework? It amazes me how people come on these sites to fight about something they know nothing about. Ask yourself this..if you were to die today are you ready? Enough said!
@pasigiri My husband says the same thing as your sister. As a christian if we are wrong then we are wrong and we have lived a good life. If we are right then we will be living with eternity with the lord and the others? So I would rather play it safe and hope that there is something better to look forward to.... once one dies and that is my life with Jesus forever. For the people that do not believe you will have alot to worry about but it isn't too late!
@stewartjv52 Well, the problem is that there's equal evidence of other Religions, so you're not playing it safe, either, since you could be on your way to the Hell of another Religion.
All in all, Jesus existed. ACCEPTANCE of His existence is the REAL problem. Like my sister said: If the God of the Bible doesn't exist, then Christian's have nothing to worry about. But if He does, then man has a LOT to worry about.
Let me guess; I MAKE NO LOGICAL SINCE. Good. Niether did my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to most "sane" people AND religious people (what do you think got Him up on the cross in the first place). It's true then, it's true now. Isn't it funny and weird? In the Bible, Jesus feeds 5000 people (healing some before that) with a little boys lunch, and those SAME people ask Him for proof of Him being who He says He is just HOURS later. They didn't believe and He was right there in front of them.
Stalinism, Pol Pot's ideas, Marxism, Juche (N. Korea), Nazi; are all things made up by man and yet are responsible for some the BIGGEST atrocities outside of religion. Religion has a HUGE list of atrocities in and of itself (puzzled look???) also. Economies all around to world in the toilet, because of greed. Tell me, is man able to pull things together? Has man EVER had it all together throughout history? Is man's claim to fame the internet, facebook, and the iPhone?
I think the MAIN point of this video is that people do not WANT Jesus exist. It was true when He walked this earth and it's true now. No matter WHAT someone uses to prove Jesus exists, people will STILL deflect the truth. So how about a better approach: prove that man is the way, the truth, and the life. Prove that man has all the answers. If evolution is real, why worry about the environment when we'll evolve to handle the changes? The polar bears will be fine, right?
@coynedogg Not true, the Jesus Papyrus, a portion of chapter 6 of Matthew dates AD49. The letters of Paul date from AD43. Writings of Jews, non Christian wrote in 1st century about Jesus calling him the son of a whore, a madman. Josephus wrote that the fall of Jerusalm in AD70 was probably allowed by God because of the unjust murder of James the Just
@coynedogg Have you heard of "CE", = "Common Era"???
A lot of people know the story of Saint Nickolas, you're not the only one. So I'm really confused what your point is about the Bishop and the Council of Nicaea???
@coynedogg You're claiming Bishop Nicholas "is responsible for putting together the New Testament"? You're off the map and need to go back to History 101. First off, the Council of Nicaea (where Bishop Nicholas was present - AMONGST 200 others) was about: Jesus Deity (The Nicene Creed), the date of Easter & canon laws.
The canonization of the New Testament was already excepted & complete by AD 180. Constantine and the Council of Nicaea didn't have anything to do with it!
@coynedogg Wait... you believe "Santa Clause put together the bible" because you read this somewhere (which I proved to you is false) and then claim the Bible is full of contradictions? You obviously haven't taken the time to read and test the Bible for yourself. I suggest you read it, test it, examine it and see what you find. The truth is, no one would question it's validity, if they could prove the Bible is just a myth. Also, research biblical archeology and see what you find.
@coynedogg Ah... the old 6th commandment argument. The Hebrew translation for "kill" is "ratsach" which has several definitions: murder, murderer, kill, assassinate, assassin, slayer, slain, manslayer. "Thou shall not kill" is found only in the KJV translation, all other translations are "you shall not murder" Read the Levitical laws on killing (Numbers 35:9-34; Deuteronomy 19:1-13; Deuteronomy 20:1-20) it explains the 6th commandment in detail
@coynedogg When you compare a 3,000 year old foreign cultural setting, to today's society, you need to consider what times were like back then.
Now, nowhere in the Bible does it say rape is OK with God. So paying fifty shekels of silver was a lot, and for most it would've taken their entire life to pay off. Remember, there were no prisons for the Israelite's back then. The consequences of breaking the law was death, or debt. So I still don't get your point?
@coynedogg Yes, 50 shekels of SILVER was a lot. There wasn't woman's right's 3000 years ago. Is there today in the Middle East, and what happens to a rape victim over there today? Do you even know?
@coynedogg Please read the Bible. Jesus treated woman equally and the Jewish Pharisees hated Him for that. I wish you could understand how much love Christ had for everyone.
But when I give you the real answer, you jump through hoops, e.g. Saint Nick and "thou shall not kill". And did you research what the equivalent of 50 shekels of silver 3000 yrs ago is today, and why one was forced to marry the victim? The breaking of this law was not just a slap in the wrist as many might think.
@harvestsoulfly not actually the passage i'm referring to. I'm talking about Deuteronomy (D) 20:14, D21:12, D22:28-29 (punishing rape by making him marry the victim, classy). Oh and D28:30, thats real creative thinking by god, "i'll punish you by making a man rape your wife".
I'll head this off at the pass though, by asking you this question: Is rape ever acceptable? If you say no, well done you are more moral than Yahweh. If you say yes, then i have no interest in talking.
@Spiderpope This is God's warning to the Israelite's of what can happen if they disobey the law (which happened - 1 Ki 20:5). It was a very common practice when city's where taken captive in ancient times to plunder everything, including the woman and children. In full context, Deu 28 is a summary of the law. They are the blessings Israel will receive through obedience in God, and God warning His children of the dangers of what can happen if they sin and turn their back against Him.
@Spiderpope Man is the reason for such atrocious sins, not God. So instead of plucking verses out of context, read the whole chapter. I'm always always amazed at how atheists claim to know the bible, yet they interpret scripture so incoherently.
And it's always the same old argument: Levetical laws, the flood, Balaam, the cosmological argument, teleological argument, moral argument, the existence of Christ (which most secular historians don't debate, only atheists) and then faith.
@harvestsoulfly Most secular historians do debate it, because the supposed events surrounding his birth aren't true. There was no census requiring his family to return to Bethlehem and Nazareth didnt exist at the time of Jesus supposed life.
The same arguments crop up because the bible is fundamentally flawed.
@harvestsoulfly Nope, because unlike Jesus, there is ample evidence he exists. His home town has archaeological remains, his contemporaries couldn't shut up about him, we have copies of his writings, we know his entire family existed, the events surrounding his life bear up to scrutiny, we have records of his (sometimes crazy) proclamations.
And knowledgeable atheists have always questioned Jesus existence. The only difference now is more people have access to that knowledge.
@Spiderpope Correct! We have plenty of proof and records that Nero existed. We also have the writings of Suetonius, Tacitus and Cassius Dio describing Nero extensively torturing and executing Christians in 64. So who were these first Christians, who were they following that gave them such courage and confidence to die by means of the cruelest methods known to Rome?
@harvestsoulfly Congratulations you've found evidence christians exist. It does absolutely nothing to prove Jesus was around, nor does it lend any credence to the mythology the church founders strove to build up around him.
Tacitus-Annals: "The persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities, Christus, the founder of that name, was put to death as a criminal by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea"
Which Christus is Tacitus talking about that was put to death by Pilate?
@harvestsoulfly You mean the same Tacitus who was born 25 years after Jesus' death, and so is not an eye witness account and would be reliant on other sources. The same Tacitus who in his annals also shows he was going off rumours and innuendo that spread through Rome, the same Tacitus who believed Christians were cannibals based on mad rumours about the eucharist.
@Spiderpope I'll give you my own opinion on the matter though, of whether or not a Jesus existed. A Jesus probably did. We know someone of that name was crucified. And the early church certainly cared enough to make up a reason to get someone to Bethlehem in order to fulfil the whole son of david prophecy.
But he was likely a Rabbi who went too far criticising the roman rule and was punished. The rest is fiction.
@harvestsoulfly Exactly, very few REAL scholars question the existence of Jesus, He was very much real, as even reported by His enemies.. The problem is like you said, these new-age conspiracy theory-lovers d'jour are reading garbage like Zeitgeist(a mindheist) Dawkins, who studied nothing of Jesus, Ehrman(epic fail), etc. They make fame & fortune off of the gullible ones who don't truthfully study history & archaeology. Sad.
@GoodyBob The fact not many scholars question the existence of Jesus doesn't lend any sort of credence to your argument that he is actually real. Even if it could be demonstrated that a historical Jesus existed, how on earth would you go about proving his divinity? You couldn't... no suspension of logic would accommodate for such a task...
@GoodyBob You're talking about modern christianity right? Because anyone who studied the history and archaeology of 1st century AD Israel would know that the evidence for Jesus' existence is sketchy at best.
@Spiderpope Then you've been reading wrong books mate like the thousand of others I've debated with thru the lame arguments d'jour. Summary: To start Nazareth was very real & proven with a vinyard, wine press, stone quarry, etc.! They've concluded there was this census & the fact that Roman authority had the power to call for one when want to suit the empire/taxes/control. Please study Sir William Ramsay famous EX-atheist archaeologist(not chemist one) who tried to prove Luke/Book of Acts wrong.
@Spiderpope Ramsay, after yrs of digs & research said Luke was correct to the smallest detail & a great historian. I LOVE archaeology...so do Bible scholars as always supports New Test. history. We have more on Jesus than most Bronze age figures! Pontius Pilate was just proven real w/the Pilate Stone, etc. They found The Pool of Siloam where Jesus healed the blind man & where skeptics said never existed. It's here EXACTLY how described by Gospels with 5 cisterns(not 3 or 4) & the tunnel. & more.
@GoodyBob Yes! This ideology of the "new atheist" movement and the contentious position they take claiming "Jesus of Nazareth never existed" is just ridiculous. They don't realize many REAL historians recognize the New Testament as a credible source for historical, cultural, religious & political context with verifiable names, events and places and this is an integral part of the record of His existence. And of course all the amazing archeological discoveries proving His existence too.
@harvestsoulfly Exactly...people love a dark conspiracy theory drama over the light of truth. The new-age gullible readers will spend hours reading about crap like "Jesus and Horus" & zeitgeist(the mindheist), but won't spend a minute studying the real Jesus & real history. A sad epidemic.
@GoodyBob It is a sad epidemic that's becoming so popular, especially amongst college students.
BTW, If you haven't seen the YouTube video " 2. The Easter Debate: William Lane Craig opens" check it out. It's a great debate that goes into great detail of the historical evidence of the Jesus and the Resurrection.
@harvestsoulfly Yep...their college conspiracy theories are just good fun while drinkin'. They want to be rebels, but won't support the greatest rebel in history = Jesus the Christ. Thanks for the Craig video...it's good & true. See also EX-atheist Lee Strobels' stuff, "The Case for Christ", etc. If the Gospels lied & not exact truths as they knew it, then why include so many embarrassing & cowardly events like "they all ran & hid when they took Jesus", empty tomb discovered by women not men,etc
@harvestsoulfly What they found his body? no? So what is this Archeological evidence that proves Jesus' excistence?Im aware Pliny mentions Jesus as mentioned in the video, but his account is also second hand like Tacitus' none of the repected historians of the time even bothered to travel to see first hand this man who supposedly turned bread into wine walked on water and rose from the dead.
@harvestsoulfly What they found his body? no? So what is this Archeological evidence that proves Jesus' excistence?Im aware Pliny mentions Jesus as mentioned in the video, but his account is also second hand like Tacitus' none of the repected historians of the time even bothered to travel to see first hand this man who supposedly turned bread into wine walked on water and rose from the dead.
@Spiderpope God does not condone rape. The virgins were taken out of the Midianites because they did not participate in the sins committed against the israelites. The wives sinned by seducing the Israelites, and sinning with their husbands, rather it be child sacrifice, incest, beastiality, being drunk, child abuse, ect... thats how wicked the cannanites and midianites were. The virgins were innocent and would have no impact on corrupting Israel. (cont)
@Spiderpope (cont) Moses set forth laws on how to treat women and children taken from war. The virgins were groomed, bathed, well taken care of. As for the marrying, it was part of that culture. And im sure the virgins had no objections considering this life was far better than their prior life.
I personally have seen and read and have seen many extra biblical evidences of jesus being a real person. I am pretty sure he was. Although the story of jesus's divinity is also rehashed older history as well. If you study that you would realize that as well. The same goes for almost any religion or culture.
@JeremyKilroy ay to go, there is no historical evidence. You can't count ppl in a diff country hundreds of years later whcant eeven include a few facts of jc as evidence. Amazingly after the greatest story ever, it took 40+ years and greek sto write the gospels- funny no jews wrote anything.
@ThePedmart277 rally he loves everyone, and yet he does absolutely nothing. He let zillions of chriatians lie and twist his words. Funny how jesus didn't say you must hot have slaves or be a pedophile, did he support these two activities or did he not care enough to take the time, % say something to prevent thtthese eevils.
SOME times you can feel his presents shiver down youre spine.
Some times he wakes you up in the middle of the night to say he loves you with all his heart .
Sometimes you can almost know when he stands right next to you .
And sometimes i can feel the vibe of his SOUL TRAVELING THROUGH My BODY and i break down crying saying THANK YOU JESUS FOR BEING THERE WHEN I NEED YOU. Others reject you but we christians have the power to overcome the devils appearence .GO
@splooshjay too ad jesus didn't atop all the evils of his church - the catholic church or the other protestant churches. The history ofchristianitynis one of evil and blood - slavery, greed, lies, there is n not an ounce of good in it.
To understand spiritual matters you have to have faith. Pray to God to give you faith and understanding of His Word, which is the Bible. I sincerely hope you will do this as the salvation of our souls is not something we should take lightly. Jesus is the only Way to the Father. Read John 3
i watched the whole video and i still think he's a made up bloke...
damexipino 2 days ago
omg i just want to scream at this guy "NO IT DOESN'T PROVE THAT JESUS EXISTED! IT PROVES THAT ANCIENT HISTORIANS WROTE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT JESUS EXISTED! IT'S HEARSAY!"
I have been looking for so long. Is there any writings by... idk, like an apostle from when Jesus was still alive? Or from Pilate or another Roman official? Or anyone that actually saw him or knew him? The reason you can't use the Bible for this is because there's like 4 versions of the same story. It's inconsistent
FightBack96 3 days ago
@FightBack96 There is literally more written historical evidense that Jesus exsisted than we have for George Washington's exsitance.
Moving2U 23 hours ago
@Moving2U more =/= better
FightBack96 5 hours ago
@FightBack96 You lose, go to the back of the class.
Moving2U 3 hours ago
i couldn't even watch this foolishness all the way through . JESUS WAS ON EARTH . End Of Story
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marykfilms 5 days ago
Interesting video. I have to ask this though. Have you taking into account that paper probably didn't reach Judea until the 12th century. By that time Rome would have been Christian for hundreds of years. Have you found any info about process of the translations?
FreeDog70 1 week ago
Look into the Egyptian myth of Horus a bit.
You know...just see where it goes.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
Read: THE HISTORICAL JESUS, by Habermas;
REINVENTING JESUS, by Komoszewsk;
SHATTERING THE CHRIST MYTH, by Holding;
THE HISTORICAL RELIABILITY OF THE GOSPELS, by Blomberg;
JESUS & CHRISTIAN ORIGINS OUTSIDE THE NEW TESTAMENT, by Bruce;
Pilgrim1411 1 week ago
So they ate, and now were aware of good, evil, science, and also knew they were physically naked. So they tried and hide their nudity with leaves, it did not work. So the Lord gave them leather clothing to cover their nudity. God had to shed and animals blood to cover Adam and Eves nudity- shed blood by clothing them. When Jesus Christ shed blood/sacrificed himself for us, He clothed us with Salvation. By his Love and Grace we have salvation to cover our nudity/sin.
xme71 1 week ago
" Vod told adam & eve not to eat from the tree of dcience , good, and evol, either way they disobayed do to listening tp the serpent. "
Vod: God
dsience:science, evol:evil, tp:to
xme71 1 week ago
You read about some one who got stoned, and then say- i thought God is good. He is, it's called an eye for an eye. But now we have Jesus, he clensed all our sins by his blood. Why his blood? Blood is the onlh thing that covers our nudity. Vod told adam & eve not to eat from the tree of dcience , good, and evol, either way they disobayed do to listening tp the serpent.
xme71 1 week ago
Every doubtfull person who lacks evidence to disprove Jesus Christ needs to stop thinking. Just listen, try it out. You guys listen to history, but all the history that has been recorded for our b3nifit is in the bible. Most of all you ppl have never even read it. You guys have no direction about it and redicule it when some one is stoned.
xme71 1 week ago
And where ?When?(year)
To both questions.
doyneboy 1 week ago
@doyneboy Who what?
superunt43 6 days ago
how many bibles have been bought?
how many given? ( printed by the church or affiliates )
And i do mean regular bibles.
doyneboy 1 week ago
ok: sophism...
at 3:38 -> ciaò, no time to waste!
Wheelchairavenger 1 week ago
this is just what Tacitus has been told, not what he LIVED AND EXPERIENCED HIMSELF!
Wheelchairavenger 1 week ago
Very good and complete series. I'm putting Portuguese subtitles in these videos.
StephenDeMille 1 week ago
EXCUSE ME EXCUSE? May I beg a question? Have you spoken to God? Have you spoken to Jesus? Have you spoken to Allah? Who told Muslims to pray to the East? Why East? How do minds of obvious command of speech spend so much time on this? I can as we speak write a book engaging the idea what you see above you is reverse mirror?
superunt43 1 week ago
this is a big waste of time..... what importance is it that jesus existed if you still lack evidence for his divinity?
atimor 1 week ago
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HRH2b 2 weeks ago
there is more historical prof for Jesus than anyone else IN HISTORY!
HRH2b 2 weeks ago
@HRH2b
More prof? Definitely.
More proof? Not so much.
This is all pretty shaky if you ask me.
TheTexanCanadian 2 weeks ago
3) Flavius is incorrect on "nothing important"......
If something has a problem with it, it should be placed under heavy scrutiny before being used.
Again, NO proof of miracles. It says "wonderful works," but it could mean something like the whole "let ye who is without sin cast the first stone," where "God's power" wasn't even required or necessary.
You can prove Jesus existed, but you gotta prove the miracles.
Dokushindansei 2 weeks ago
1) Note that Tacitus never said anything about the miracles or the resurrection. He only states that Jesus was a person, and was killed by Pontius Pilate. It doesn't prove anything about how one needs to believe in Jesus, or how one even should be concerned about Heaven or Hell. Note that all that is said is "executed."
2)Lucian says the same thing. Doesn't prove that Jesus was the word of God, doesn't prove the resurrection, and doesn't at ALL indicate that Jesus was God (or the Son of God.)
Dokushindansei 2 weeks ago
THERE ARE MORE BOOKS IN THE LIBRARIES OF THE WORLD WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS SON OF GOD THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF ALL MANKIND
sutonchef 2 weeks ago
@sutonchef Yea...it helps when the Catholic Church commands the burning of all other documents found and the murder of those in there possession in order to secure such an abundance of "Jesus Myths." However, the sheer number of books that have been written "about" Jesus bears absolutely ZERO weight as to show evidence of his existence. There are many books about Harry Potter but he's just an actor pretending to be someone that he isn't. Of course, that's Jesus in a "nutt" shell.
Mikedogg13666 2 weeks ago
@Mikedogg13666 .............you can discredit history itself if you applied that same skepticism to Greece, Julius Ceaser, Hitler, the holocaust etc.. In fact there's more solid evidence of Jesus's existence than there is of Julius Ceaser, Socrates and Plato combined, a long list of people you likely take for granted as having existed. No serious historian denies the existence of Jesus.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@12Ominous uh, what?
ok lets say jesus did have more proof for his existence than Plato,Socrates and Ceaser, that still wouldn't prove him being the son of/being a god.
and he is right on his other points even if you dont accept that one.
chaoskings35 2 weeks ago
@chaoskings35 There is. All they have to prove Plato's existence is his writings, in fact the only evidence of Socrates is Plato's writings about Socrates well after Socrates death. There is almost no solid evidence that Socrates lived. Curious that no one doubts Socrates existence. My point is if you can refute Christs existence you can refute a myriad of historical figures and facts, because we mostly only have scriptures and texts Doubt in history is just an expression of misanthropy.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@chaoskings35 You can't prove anything that happened in history for that very same reason. You either trust human beings or you don't. One has to question the incentive of a man for claiming he is the son of God and being willingly crucified, he would have to be insane. It can't be a story either, why? Because there's other vicarious accounts of Jesus in the writings of his contemporaries where the writer just alluded to him casually and his family, also mentioning his brother.
12Ominous 2 weeks ago
@chaoskings35 I see your point in trying to bend a little to make the point that Jesus wasn't a god. However, one single entry into Google will give you a plethora of evidence to prove the existence of Plato, Socrates and Julius Caesar. Statues, documents, first person accounts and a number of people he directly interacted with and affected as well as all of the impact we can account for today in literature. Jesus has a few tales of tales about him, long after he died.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@Mikedogg13666 lol? Really? Socrates did not leave us with a single writing, the only proof of his existence is Aristotle's comedic play. You're being dishonest. We have all the same things for Jesus. In fact we have more evidence for Jesus than both Ceasar and Socrates combined, both biblical and non-biblical. Google it..
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous You made a claim of three different people. Do not pick one and claim that I was wrong. I made it clear that I used Caesar as the example. YOU assumed that I was referring to all of them. You can not pull your bait and switch theist crap on me.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@Mikedogg13666 i agree, his point was horrible, besides i was just trying to show him his flawed logic without offending him to a point that i would have to argue with him as you have.it was just a hypothetical scenario.
chaoskings35 1 week ago
@chaoskings35 That's cool. I know that sometimes debates can seem argumentative...however, the hopeful result is to promote reason for change. I stick with the discussion until I find that the outcome is either one of discovery one my part or theirs...or I see that they are just not listening at all. Then I withdraw form the struggle. I want to be convinced that I am wrong. I have just yet to have found any real argument.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@12Ominous Hmmm...I don't know what kind of crack you have been smoking...but it must be doing a number on your ability to read. You say that there is as much evidence to prove the existence of Jesus as there is to prove Julius Caesar, huh? Well let's have a look shall we? We have statues, hand written letters, first person accounts and accounts of those who have been in war with Julius Caesar to prove he existed. Jesus, we have the bible (60+years after he supposedly died)...Fail.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@Mikedogg13666 The epistols of Paul were written within 40 years of Jesus of death. Any accounts within 200 years are considered strong evidence. Also there's a detailed account by Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian, Emperor Hadrian who referred to the "Christians", followers of the man Christ (Josephus) who was crucified by Pilot, the first-century Roman Tacitus. There's a lot of evidence. But how about the thousands of people were willing to be killed by the Romans for Christ?
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous Here you go again with a list. Flavius didn't mention "knowing" Jesus. He wrote a story about him and his brother. I do not care rather or not that Jesus was a real person. We are arguing about his historical evidence in comparison to other figures. So, people referring to a person by their "nick name" doesn't constitute solid evidence. Also, people willing to die for a lie...Hitler...people died...because he lied. Same deal. Death for belief is as common as bread.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@Mikedogg13666 Whoa, the Jews didn't willingly die for God, they died because Hitler commanded it, that's much different than being given the choice of renouncing your belief in something or getting fed to a lion.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous Are you actually reading my comments or just blabbing without point? Hitler didn't command shit. He convinced a country that the poverty that was plaguing them was the result of the Jews stealing their money and property with their ability to trick people. You just accused me of not "doing my research" and then you make a comment like that? Man, you are lost as can be. Dying for as god or dying for a man who acts like god is no different. They are both lairs and lies.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@Mikedogg13666 that was 49 minutes ago. But that's a lot different. Convincing someone to kill is much easier and different that giving someone a choice between dying and living. They could be, but so can anyone and anything. The question is why do you think this is lie, yet you believe everything else?
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous Ah, so 49 minutes makes your statement invalid? Wrong. Your god requires death to appease his disgusting lust for the smell of blood. Creating a race sick and commanding it upon torture and death to make itself well is the most atrocious thing imaginable...and you make a comparison to Hitler as if what he did was somehow less significant because you think the people had a choice? The German people had the same choice that you god gives. NONE, just lies and ultimatums.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@12Ominous Look, I'm not telling you what to believe or not to believe. However, if you want to justify your beliefs...like I did...you are going to have to read the positions against your beliefs and try to refute them. Know your opponents every argument, why the argument is being made and where they got their information. Then, when you have discovered that all of the things that you have been taught have been lies...you will end up like me. Former believer made Atheist, by religion
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xme71 1 week ago
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@Mikedogg13666, @Mikedogg13666, That's exactly why you ended up an atheist, you put your hope in religion. The bible: Jesus says "I am the path, the truth and the life, nobody gets to the Father except trough me." Stop thinking so much and put attention to Scripture and DO. Jesus says He is life. If your an atheist now, you must of been a christian that never read Revelation 3:16, or who knows. Atheist are religious, they do what they please; like religion. If you DO like Jesus your Christian.
xme71 1 week ago
@Mikedogg13666 You sound as if chess player?
superunt43 1 week ago
@superunt43 I like to play chess but I do not play often. I think I get your meaning though. I do make my debate movements based upon strategic placement of pieces that are thought to have been winning movements by my opponent. I use their over confidence against them and take them to the floor. It deals with the same concept as chess. Learn every movement that can be made by your opponent, learn every counter movement that can be made by them and yourself,and continue to be patient.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@Mikedogg13666 Do your research.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous There is a significant reason why your "historians" are not denying the existence of Jesus. Because there is a world full of indoctrinated, diluted, Jesus freaks that are digging for any single shred of dignity they can to empower there holy book. Even if he were a real person, the amount of actual historical evidence of his life is so infinitesimal that trying to make him anything but a loony Rabi would be a sever stretch. You cant say that it's fact because people believe
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@Mikedogg13666 ....really, historians perform their job incompetently to appease Christians? : / . Would you be eaten by a lion for someone whom you had the slightest suspicious was deluded. I think you're just being deliberately antagonist towards Religion and are using the fallibility of history to undermine Christianity, yet you likely have complete trust in history in any other instance.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous No...christian historians perform their job incompetently to appease Christians. You are assuming that these people had even the slightest clue that this guy wasn't diluted. They couldn't have known jack shit. They didn't have a firm basis of comparison. It's not like they had science breathing down their necks calling out their nonsense like we have today. You trust in science until it hits your religion on the balls and you dare to accuse me? You need to reflect.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
@Mikedogg13666 But it's the overwhelming majority of historians who maintain Jesus existed, not the minority, surely they can't all be Christian. You have to assume faith in people. Why should I not have faith in those people but have complete faith in say the people who lived in the time of Aristotle? You're playing favorites. Science has not even gotten close to disproving anything. They just don't except belief without evidence, but it's not a flawless system.
12Ominous 1 week ago
@12Ominous Playing favorites...you've been reading Wikipedia again haven't you? Not everything that is written there coincides with reality...ok. Historians may agree that certain documents suggest that he was real. That doesn't state that they agree that he was. They have to make some assumptions in order to make any sense at all of the documents that they have found. I agree, science isn't flawless but "faith" isn't required. Reasonable expectations based on evidence works better.
Mikedogg13666 1 week ago
Again, Lucian is wrong, Yeshua did not found a religion. And again, he was born in 125 AD.
shadywolf91 2 weeks ago
Wait, so just because he didn't say the account was Hersey, you simply just assume that Tacitus had confirmed it? Lucian is an even worse example. He was born almost a century after this had happened. Hell when Alexander the Great was 24 Egyptians wrote about him in hieroglyphs. Why is it that we can only find people writing about this guy decades or even centuries after the account?
shadywolf91 2 weeks ago
@shadywolf91 Oh! Oh! I can answer this! Lol...because the stories had already been drilled into the general public minds. In a time when death was a daily event and torture, starvation and disease, as well as a severe lack of education about the world around them was prevalent, people were grasping at anything that would give them solace enough to let them sleep. This story was already part of every culture for millennia but with different gods and demigods.
Mikedogg13666 2 weeks ago
@Mikedogg13666 Why yes actually that does explain a lot. Not to mention just about every one of Yeshua's stories were copied and pasted from earlier Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Babylonian, and even Jewish mythologies (who borrowed from the Midianites and Canaanites). As well as who knows how many other mythologies. What is fascinating about this is how little people understand the difference between mythology (unless they are still practiced then its called religion) and history.
shadywolf91 2 weeks ago
@shadywolf91 Right you are... I have been trying to debate a guy by the name"MoonwalkerWorshiper" and it seem that not only does he exhibit a severe lack of historical knowledge, he seems to lack the capacity to read as well. Not only his biblical literature correctly, but seemingly anything that I write. Or...he is an ass-hat. I'm leaning toward the latter. ;-)
Mikedogg13666 2 weeks ago
@Mikedogg13666 Lol nice, a friend of mine recently told me that he is a literal 6day creationist and told me all this nonsense. Maybe I'll be able to talk some sense into him. Good luck with your person.
shadywolf91 2 weeks ago
Cornelius Tacitus was not only born 22 years after the supposed death of Yeshua, but he got the history wrong, Paul and James the Just are responsible for the founding of Christianity, not Yeshua. Yeshua did not establish a church. And of course Constantine really got the ball going. Not to mention that the Christianity that exists to day wasn't put together until centuries after this all supposedly happened. Pliny was born 6 years after Tacitus.
shadywolf91 2 weeks ago
Actually Constatine was the founder of Christianity. Sorry guy Jesus was not a Christian and it was not even a word in his time. He is the messiah and he had disciples following him, not.Christians. Everything else I.agree with.
KingDavid478 2 weeks ago
@KingDavid478 Love it! I spend more time trying to explain the history of the bible than any other debate point. People have a misconception about the event line between the Christian religion of today and the origination of its concept. The number of books not added to the bible known today is incredible. Of course, it would be quite a different religion had they been included. They surely wouldn't be as portable, lol. I think Jesus would have been pissed to see it now, lol.
Mikedogg13666 2 weeks ago
@Mikedogg13666 How could Jesus be a christian if he is the CHRIST? lol. Plus the word has to be invented. Lil problem there for em.
KingDavid478 4 days ago
@KingDavid478 Yea, that's one of the arguments given when a theist knows almost nothing bout the historicity of Christianity in general. I have had people swear up and down that the religion as they currently know it, predates Abraham...I mean come on...it's one thing to not realize that the Catholic church is older than Jesus but to suggest that the sole sheep herder responsible for that whole mess was just explaining things, lol. I am astounded at the lack of comprehension.
Mikedogg13666 4 days ago
@Mikedogg13666 Yeah people dont want to admit a sun worshipper created their religion as well. Its a hard thing to do I understand.
KingDavid478 3 days ago
Tacitus account is only 2nd hand at the very best, how is hear say evidence proof that Jesus excisted.
tjwhalan 2 weeks ago
Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Budaism, etc. ALL OF THEIR foundational BELIEFS, holy PRACTICES & fascinating stories ORIGINATED from either ancient Egyptology, Mythology, Astrology, even from other OLDER/UNPOPULAR religions. IT IS A FACT that these common beliefs & practises EXISTED 1000s of years BEFORE YOUR RELIGION came about. ALL of these BOOKS contain PLAGIARISM of PAGANISM!
u worship da blazing SUN
satan = SNAKE...eclipse = EVIL
names of days/months are all PAGAN
kfc667 2 weeks ago
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James5877 3 weeks ago
Not that i see anything wrong in people believing Jesus did actually exist, it is difficult taking this analysis seriously. The guy who organized this are accepting the non-christian accounts without any reservations conserning simultainety, tendency and whether or not the accounts are based on hearsay. It is very clear that this guy have no training as a historian, because if he did the question would be a lot more murky.
stud20084977 4 weeks ago
@stud20084977 Have you seen the full discertation? The Pagan historians and journalists Josephus, and Philo among others, attest to the existance. of Jesus If that isn't good enough, why do you trust textbooks or media now? That is all hearsay too. The bible however, is eyewitness testimony. It is documented, if not by written word, but by the willing death of the witnesses in refusal to deny the Truth. To understand the truth, one must look into the anomolies and extrapolate all the evidence.
777godwithme 3 weeks ago
@777godwithme Josephus reference is disputed, about the only thing agreed upon is that he mentioned a Jesus was executed by Pilate. He also was writing 40+ years after the events.
And given that Philo wrote 46 years prior to Jesus' supposed birth, he doesnt mention him at all.
contd.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope The Bible is a compilation of heavily edited writings. Work on the new testament was not begun until several decades after Jesus' supposed life. The only "witnesses" were the founders of he church who had a vested interest in perpetuating the myth of Jesus' divinity.
The bible is factually wrong about the majority of its claims, why should anyone believe the story of Jesus is completely true either.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope I'll take the bait, what major claims is the Bible wrong about?
CrawDad1131 3 weeks ago
@CrawDad1131 Majority, not major. Including, Eden, Genesis, The Flood, The Roman census, Nazareth, The Earth as centre of the universe, date of the earth, number of generations of man prior to the 1st century B.C.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@777godwithme lol reading that gave me a good laugh. thanks, mate.
9yearoldtv 3 weeks ago
History is 70% bullshit.
9yearoldtv 4 weeks ago
@9yearoldtv True.
Jcm9991 4 weeks ago
@Jcm9991 He LIVES!!!!! :)
Innuendoh 3 weeks ago
@Innuendoh *Tips hat*
Jcm9991 3 weeks ago
@Jcm9991 Tell me you don't believe the Moon landings were a hoax... I beg you! :)
Innuendoh 3 weeks ago
@Innuendoh No, the moon landings happened.
Jcm9991 3 weeks ago
@Jcm9991 Ahhhh, Bless you, Laddie!!! Top o' the mornin' to ya! :)
Innuendoh 3 weeks ago
244 people who watched this would not believe in Jesus if he came to their doorstep.
HowFarAreWeNow 1 month ago
To the ignorant in reading responses LOL. A.D. does not mean AFTER DEATH ...A.D. is an abbreviation for the Latin words Anno Domini which translates to "In the year of the Lord" Referring to the years after the birth of Christ not the death of Christ. So before you make stupid comments please do your homework? It amazes me how people come on these sites to fight about something they know nothing about. Ask yourself this..if you were to die today are you ready? Enough said!
stewartjv52 1 month ago
@pasigiri My husband says the same thing as your sister. As a christian if we are wrong then we are wrong and we have lived a good life. If we are right then we will be living with eternity with the lord and the others? So I would rather play it safe and hope that there is something better to look forward to.... once one dies and that is my life with Jesus forever. For the people that do not believe you will have alot to worry about but it isn't too late!
stewartjv52 1 month ago
@stewartjv52 Well, the problem is that there's equal evidence of other Religions, so you're not playing it safe, either, since you could be on your way to the Hell of another Religion.
MajickDemoniack 1 month ago
Excellent presentation...
Granualt 1 month ago
All in all, Jesus existed. ACCEPTANCE of His existence is the REAL problem. Like my sister said: If the God of the Bible doesn't exist, then Christian's have nothing to worry about. But if He does, then man has a LOT to worry about.
pasigiri 1 month ago
@pasigiri Yeah, and if the Zoroastrians are right we BOTH have as lot to worry about................
MajickDemoniack 1 month ago
Let me guess; I MAKE NO LOGICAL SINCE. Good. Niether did my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to most "sane" people AND religious people (what do you think got Him up on the cross in the first place). It's true then, it's true now. Isn't it funny and weird? In the Bible, Jesus feeds 5000 people (healing some before that) with a little boys lunch, and those SAME people ask Him for proof of Him being who He says He is just HOURS later. They didn't believe and He was right there in front of them.
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coynedogg 1 month ago
Stalinism, Pol Pot's ideas, Marxism, Juche (N. Korea), Nazi; are all things made up by man and yet are responsible for some the BIGGEST atrocities outside of religion. Religion has a HUGE list of atrocities in and of itself (puzzled look???) also. Economies all around to world in the toilet, because of greed. Tell me, is man able to pull things together? Has man EVER had it all together throughout history? Is man's claim to fame the internet, facebook, and the iPhone?
pasigiri 1 month ago
I think the MAIN point of this video is that people do not WANT Jesus exist. It was true when He walked this earth and it's true now. No matter WHAT someone uses to prove Jesus exists, people will STILL deflect the truth. So how about a better approach: prove that man is the way, the truth, and the life. Prove that man has all the answers. If evolution is real, why worry about the environment when we'll evolve to handle the changes? The polar bears will be fine, right?
pasigiri 1 month ago
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@coynedogg Not true, the Jesus Papyrus, a portion of chapter 6 of Matthew dates AD49. The letters of Paul date from AD43. Writings of Jews, non Christian wrote in 1st century about Jesus calling him the son of a whore, a madman. Josephus wrote that the fall of Jerusalm in AD70 was probably allowed by God because of the unjust murder of James the Just
MultiBurtons 1 month ago
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@coynedogg There is more proof Christ existed then Buddha or Socrates, yet most people don't question their historical validity.
BTW... "AD" = "Anno Domini".
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@coynedogg Have you heard of "CE", = "Common Era"???
A lot of people know the story of Saint Nickolas, you're not the only one. So I'm really confused what your point is about the Bishop and the Council of Nicaea???
harvestsoulfly 1 month ago
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@coynedogg You're claiming Bishop Nicholas "is responsible for putting together the New Testament"? You're off the map and need to go back to History 101. First off, the Council of Nicaea (where Bishop Nicholas was present - AMONGST 200 others) was about: Jesus Deity (The Nicene Creed), the date of Easter & canon laws.
The canonization of the New Testament was already excepted & complete by AD 180. Constantine and the Council of Nicaea didn't have anything to do with it!
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@coynedogg Wait... you believe "Santa Clause put together the bible" because you read this somewhere (which I proved to you is false) and then claim the Bible is full of contradictions? You obviously haven't taken the time to read and test the Bible for yourself. I suggest you read it, test it, examine it and see what you find. The truth is, no one would question it's validity, if they could prove the Bible is just a myth. Also, research biblical archeology and see what you find.
harvestsoulfly 1 month ago
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@coynedogg Ah... the old 6th commandment argument. The Hebrew translation for "kill" is "ratsach" which has several definitions: murder, murderer, kill, assassinate, assassin, slayer, slain, manslayer. "Thou shall not kill" is found only in the KJV translation, all other translations are "you shall not murder" Read the Levitical laws on killing (Numbers 35:9-34; Deuteronomy 19:1-13; Deuteronomy 20:1-20) it explains the 6th commandment in detail
Have NO idea what your other point is???
harvestsoulfly 1 month ago
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@coynedogg When you compare a 3,000 year old foreign cultural setting, to today's society, you need to consider what times were like back then.
Now, nowhere in the Bible does it say rape is OK with God. So paying fifty shekels of silver was a lot, and for most it would've taken their entire life to pay off. Remember, there were no prisons for the Israelite's back then. The consequences of breaking the law was death, or debt. So I still don't get your point?
harvestsoulfly 1 month ago
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@coynedogg Yes, 50 shekels of SILVER was a lot. There wasn't woman's right's 3000 years ago. Is there today in the Middle East, and what happens to a rape victim over there today? Do you even know?
harvestsoulfly 1 month ago
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@coynedogg Please read the Bible. Jesus treated woman equally and the Jewish Pharisees hated Him for that. I wish you could understand how much love Christ had for everyone.
But when I give you the real answer, you jump through hoops, e.g. Saint Nick and "thou shall not kill". And did you research what the equivalent of 50 shekels of silver 3000 yrs ago is today, and why one was forced to marry the victim? The breaking of this law was not just a slap in the wrist as many might think.
harvestsoulfly 1 month ago
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coynedogg 1 month ago
@harvestsoulfly Actually yeah it does, read Deuteronomy. God's all about handing out unwilling virgins to his buddies.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope Quote me the scripture's (Deuteronomy 22-25), I'll explain.
harvestsoulfly 3 weeks ago
@harvestsoulfly not actually the passage i'm referring to. I'm talking about Deuteronomy (D) 20:14, D21:12, D22:28-29 (punishing rape by making him marry the victim, classy). Oh and D28:30, thats real creative thinking by god, "i'll punish you by making a man rape your wife".
I'll head this off at the pass though, by asking you this question: Is rape ever acceptable? If you say no, well done you are more moral than Yahweh. If you say yes, then i have no interest in talking.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope This is God's warning to the Israelite's of what can happen if they disobey the law (which happened - 1 Ki 20:5). It was a very common practice when city's where taken captive in ancient times to plunder everything, including the woman and children. In full context, Deu 28 is a summary of the law. They are the blessings Israel will receive through obedience in God, and God warning His children of the dangers of what can happen if they sin and turn their back against Him.
harvestsoulfly 3 weeks ago
@harvestsoulfly That does nothing to negate my point: God condones rape and is willing to use it as a method of punishment.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope Man is the reason for such atrocious sins, not God. So instead of plucking verses out of context, read the whole chapter. I'm always always amazed at how atheists claim to know the bible, yet they interpret scripture so incoherently.
And it's always the same old argument: Levetical laws, the flood, Balaam, the cosmological argument, teleological argument, moral argument, the existence of Christ (which most secular historians don't debate, only atheists) and then faith.
harvestsoulfly 3 weeks ago
@harvestsoulfly Most secular historians do debate it, because the supposed events surrounding his birth aren't true. There was no census requiring his family to return to Bethlehem and Nazareth didnt exist at the time of Jesus supposed life.
The same arguments crop up because the bible is fundamentally flawed.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope The same Biblical arguments crop up because most atheists lack the fundamental knowledge of theology.
It's funny how just a few years ago atheists didn't question the existence of Jesus.
Do you question the existence of Nero too?
harvestsoulfly 3 weeks ago
@harvestsoulfly Nope, because unlike Jesus, there is ample evidence he exists. His home town has archaeological remains, his contemporaries couldn't shut up about him, we have copies of his writings, we know his entire family existed, the events surrounding his life bear up to scrutiny, we have records of his (sometimes crazy) proclamations.
And knowledgeable atheists have always questioned Jesus existence. The only difference now is more people have access to that knowledge.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope Correct! We have plenty of proof and records that Nero existed. We also have the writings of Suetonius, Tacitus and Cassius Dio describing Nero extensively torturing and executing Christians in 64. So who were these first Christians, who were they following that gave them such courage and confidence to die by means of the cruelest methods known to Rome?
harvestsoulfly 3 weeks ago
@harvestsoulfly Congratulations you've found evidence christians exist. It does absolutely nothing to prove Jesus was around, nor does it lend any credence to the mythology the church founders strove to build up around him.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope Ok, you can't answer that question?
Tacitus-Annals: "The persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities, Christus, the founder of that name, was put to death as a criminal by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea"
Which Christus is Tacitus talking about that was put to death by Pilate?
harvestsoulfly 3 weeks ago
@harvestsoulfly You mean the same Tacitus who was born 25 years after Jesus' death, and so is not an eye witness account and would be reliant on other sources. The same Tacitus who in his annals also shows he was going off rumours and innuendo that spread through Rome, the same Tacitus who believed Christians were cannibals based on mad rumours about the eucharist.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope I'll give you my own opinion on the matter though, of whether or not a Jesus existed. A Jesus probably did. We know someone of that name was crucified. And the early church certainly cared enough to make up a reason to get someone to Bethlehem in order to fulfil the whole son of david prophecy.
But he was likely a Rabbi who went too far criticising the roman rule and was punished. The rest is fiction.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@harvestsoulfly Exactly, very few REAL scholars question the existence of Jesus, He was very much real, as even reported by His enemies.. The problem is like you said, these new-age conspiracy theory-lovers d'jour are reading garbage like Zeitgeist(a mindheist) Dawkins, who studied nothing of Jesus, Ehrman(epic fail), etc. They make fame & fortune off of the gullible ones who don't truthfully study history & archaeology. Sad.
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago
@GoodyBob The fact not many scholars question the existence of Jesus doesn't lend any sort of credence to your argument that he is actually real. Even if it could be demonstrated that a historical Jesus existed, how on earth would you go about proving his divinity? You couldn't... no suspension of logic would accommodate for such a task...
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Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@GoodyBob You're talking about modern christianity right? Because anyone who studied the history and archaeology of 1st century AD Israel would know that the evidence for Jesus' existence is sketchy at best.
Spiderpope 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope Then you've been reading wrong books mate like the thousand of others I've debated with thru the lame arguments d'jour. Summary: To start Nazareth was very real & proven with a vinyard, wine press, stone quarry, etc.! They've concluded there was this census & the fact that Roman authority had the power to call for one when want to suit the empire/taxes/control. Please study Sir William Ramsay famous EX-atheist archaeologist(not chemist one) who tried to prove Luke/Book of Acts wrong.
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago 2
@Spiderpope Ramsay, after yrs of digs & research said Luke was correct to the smallest detail & a great historian. I LOVE archaeology...so do Bible scholars as always supports New Test. history. We have more on Jesus than most Bronze age figures! Pontius Pilate was just proven real w/the Pilate Stone, etc. They found The Pool of Siloam where Jesus healed the blind man & where skeptics said never existed. It's here EXACTLY how described by Gospels with 5 cisterns(not 3 or 4) & the tunnel. & more.
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago 2
@GoodyBob Yes! This ideology of the "new atheist" movement and the contentious position they take claiming "Jesus of Nazareth never existed" is just ridiculous. They don't realize many REAL historians recognize the New Testament as a credible source for historical, cultural, religious & political context with verifiable names, events and places and this is an integral part of the record of His existence. And of course all the amazing archeological discoveries proving His existence too.
harvestsoulfly 3 weeks ago
@harvestsoulfly Exactly...people love a dark conspiracy theory drama over the light of truth. The new-age gullible readers will spend hours reading about crap like "Jesus and Horus" & zeitgeist(the mindheist), but won't spend a minute studying the real Jesus & real history. A sad epidemic.
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago
@GoodyBob It is a sad epidemic that's becoming so popular, especially amongst college students.
BTW, If you haven't seen the YouTube video " 2. The Easter Debate: William Lane Craig opens" check it out. It's a great debate that goes into great detail of the historical evidence of the Jesus and the Resurrection.
harvestsoulfly 3 weeks ago 2
@harvestsoulfly Yep...their college conspiracy theories are just good fun while drinkin'. They want to be rebels, but won't support the greatest rebel in history = Jesus the Christ. Thanks for the Craig video...it's good & true. See also EX-atheist Lee Strobels' stuff, "The Case for Christ", etc. If the Gospels lied & not exact truths as they knew it, then why include so many embarrassing & cowardly events like "they all ran & hid when they took Jesus", empty tomb discovered by women not men,etc
GoodyBob 3 weeks ago
@harvestsoulfly What they found his body? no? So what is this Archeological evidence that proves Jesus' excistence?Im aware Pliny mentions Jesus as mentioned in the video, but his account is also second hand like Tacitus' none of the repected historians of the time even bothered to travel to see first hand this man who supposedly turned bread into wine walked on water and rose from the dead.
tjwhalan 2 weeks ago
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@harvestsoulfly What they found his body? no? So what is this Archeological evidence that proves Jesus' excistence?Im aware Pliny mentions Jesus as mentioned in the video, but his account is also second hand like Tacitus' none of the repected historians of the time even bothered to travel to see first hand this man who supposedly turned bread into wine walked on water and rose from the dead.
tjwhalan 2 weeks ago
@Spiderpope God does not condone rape. The virgins were taken out of the Midianites because they did not participate in the sins committed against the israelites. The wives sinned by seducing the Israelites, and sinning with their husbands, rather it be child sacrifice, incest, beastiality, being drunk, child abuse, ect... thats how wicked the cannanites and midianites were. The virgins were innocent and would have no impact on corrupting Israel. (cont)
jubjubmh316 3 weeks ago
@Spiderpope (cont) Moses set forth laws on how to treat women and children taken from war. The virgins were groomed, bathed, well taken care of. As for the marrying, it was part of that culture. And im sure the virgins had no objections considering this life was far better than their prior life.
jubjubmh316 3 weeks ago
@coynedogg you must be trolling, have you not watched this video?
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coynedogg 1 month ago
Very well done.
NephilimFree 1 month ago
I personally have seen and read and have seen many extra biblical evidences of jesus being a real person. I am pretty sure he was. Although the story of jesus's divinity is also rehashed older history as well. If you study that you would realize that as well. The same goes for almost any religion or culture.
JeremyKilroy 1 month ago
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@JeremyKilroy ay to go, there is no historical evidence. You can't count ppl in a diff country hundreds of years later whcant eeven include a few facts of jc as evidence. Amazingly after the greatest story ever, it took 40+ years and greek sto write the gospels- funny no jews wrote anything.
mPky1 1 month ago
Do you mean a PERSON named Jesus existed ~2000 years ago? Meh, who cares.
Do you mean the son of GOD existed ~2000 years ago? NO, NO, NO.
jeffiek 1 month ago
@jeffiek Jesus still loves you brother.
ThePedmart277 1 month ago
@ThePedmart277 Thanks, and the leprechauns love you too.
jeffiek 1 month ago
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@ThePedmart277 rally he loves everyone, and yet he does absolutely nothing. He let zillions of chriatians lie and twist his words. Funny how jesus didn't say you must hot have slaves or be a pedophile, did he support these two activities or did he not care enough to take the time, % say something to prevent thtthese eevils.
mPky1 1 month ago
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JoyofSatan(dot)com CHRISTIANITY EXPOSED AS FALSE AT THIS LINK. SATAN PROVEN TO BE OUR REAL CREATOR GOD THROUGH GENETIC ENGINEERING.
ClothesOptional 1 month ago
I know that christianity is the way
SOME times you can feel his presents shiver down youre spine.
Some times he wakes you up in the middle of the night to say he loves you with all his heart .
Sometimes you can almost know when he stands right next to you .
And sometimes i can feel the vibe of his SOUL TRAVELING THROUGH My BODY and i break down crying saying THANK YOU JESUS FOR BEING THERE WHEN I NEED YOU. Others reject you but we christians have the power to overcome the devils appearence .GO
splooshjay 1 month ago
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AliburX 1 month ago
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@splooshjay too ad jesus didn't atop all the evils of his church - the catholic church or the other protestant churches. The history ofchristianitynis one of evil and blood - slavery, greed, lies, there is n not an ounce of good in it.
mPky1 1 month ago
To understand spiritual matters you have to have faith. Pray to God to give you faith and understanding of His Word, which is the Bible. I sincerely hope you will do this as the salvation of our souls is not something we should take lightly. Jesus is the only Way to the Father. Read John 3
KingdomSeeker2012 1 month ago