Lol these rules seem pretty darn spot on, dont see nothing wrong with them....dont get why people are all fighting about how its religious or not. If u wanna get sober and these steps u feel might help u.....do it if not dont lmao.
UMMMM who cares "RELIGIOUS" or NOTTTT; QUIT making excuses to Keep up your foolishness and not get help! thats all ya doing by picking fault! TRY THIS.... K????? If ya wish to make it... (and MAKE IT can be your definition, can be... to pay your bills, can be to make your loved ones proud, can be to incorporate some Loved ones, can be........ TO LIVE; possibly, to maintain freedom??), TRYYYYYY to keep an OPEN mind, flip it to your liking in confindes of sobreity, TAKE INITIATIVE grow BALLZ
Fact 1 - I was highly addicted to drugs and alcohol
Fact 2 - Never knew how to form meaningful relationships with my own family, let alone anyone else
Fact 3 - Tried becoming more mentally stronger, driven, motivated
Fact 4 - Tried every other way including trying religion, therapists, abstinence, geographical changes, before trying the "cult and cliches" as I saw it.
Fact 5 - AA/NA worked for me and saved my life.
Hate all you want, Im living well. Can you honestly say you are? Lie to yourself
I'm a die hard agnostic I can tell you there are people in AA that try and force there ideas down your throat! I buy into the books and the steps and the traditions and what I do outside of the rooms is no one's business! Been sober for 2 years.
12 steps arfe dated it isnt 1936 anymore.. tecnolgy changes entertainment changes medicine changes and now support towards working with alcoholics and drug addicts has changed there more advanced
I like the one about my Alcoholism being like having sex with a Hot Chick. I always wanted to keep having sex with them, the same as my drinking. Once I started drinking I really just indulged myself!!! My way didn't work, that's how I ended up on a seat in an AA meeting!!!
@DRDNIBOY I don't care what any person believes in, religion or government, if you are true to yourself if you want to get away from this disease, this works.
@StanBennet "amen" oh shoot, i said amen, does that make me an extremist Christian? No! it does work though and many people have changed their lives and actually began to enjoy and contribute more to others
@DRDNIBOY just because one man or one religion agrees that the 12 step program is effective or supports it does not mean that the 12 step program is religious. That's like saying that if Christianity supports Love that Love must be solely Christian or religious, when in reality the Love is just practiced by the group. The AA program appeals to many different types of people and although it may share ideas with religion such as the importance of amends or change, it doesnt make them the same.
@fsmorel123 said "the 12 steps are a SPIRITUAL *not* RELIGIOUS"
Believe in a god, pray to a god, have faith in a god, ask a god for help, and at the end of the meeting, hold hands in a prayer circle and pray the Lord's Prayer (directly quoting the holy book of the Christian religion).
You say that a Higher Power can be anything you choose? What hears and answers prayers besides a god?
AA is a religious program. Supreme Court rulings say spirituality and religion are the same thing.
@Tuckle In Griffin v. Coughlin 1997, Judge Levine, writing for the court's majority, concluded that the AA program is devoted to proselytizing for a religious belief. The court's conclusion was based on its reading of several profiles of early AA members as they are set forth in the AA Big Book and the AA Twelve and Twelve.
Also State Supreme courts in New York and Tennessee, the Federal District Court for Southern New York, 1994, the New York Court of Appeals, 1996...
@ndrthrdr1 AA may be a cult but could you imagine the statistics of Victims that get killed in Drink Driving accident had AA not been formed? Im proud of being a member of AA it saved my life today im a proud child of god that helps other young people who are struggling with drugs and alcohol Thats all AA is help get better understanding on how to have a better relationship with God and help other siners why is that so fucking bad?
@Tuckle July 31, 2001, United States District Court Judge Brieant overturned the conviction of Paul Cox because Cox had "shared" two murders with other A.A.members at a meeting. One turned him in. And at the trial, other A.A. members were forced to testify.
The Judge ruled the confession at A.A. was inadmissible, just like Catholics' confessions to their priests are inadmissible. Judge Brieant cited a 1999 federal appeals court declaration that A.A. is a religion, and threw out the conviction.
@ndrthrdr1 Religion is learning about God Spirituality is living the word of God AA is a Con your right 12 steps also came out of the bible and when worked the 12 steps will guide an alcoholic through a life that an alcoholic like me could ever dream of Could you imagine the death toll of drunk driving victims had AA not been formed? the death toll would be so high alcohol would be illegal by now
@DRDNIBOY well it has a bunch of different people from different religous backgrounds come in and helps people get a personal relationship with they er god Religon is for people who dont want to go to hell Spiritualit y is for those who been through and dont want to go back AA is a program for Sinners that teach other sinners how to help others
@DRDNIBOY Read how it works in the big book Maybe u well have a better understanding. It`s whomever your higher power is. Religion is only for those that are religious.
And the people who don't like AA if they can find an easier softer way and abstain or control there drinking using ect. then more power to them. AA is for people that all else fails. AA takes a lot of dicipline and humilty gotta let enough of that false pride and ego go or die... I got a friend thats on Dui #6 and losing his job, health , relationships, but I'll be damned he's gonna do it his way, all I can do is share my experience with him and let him do it his way. he cant imagine life w/o
So I decided to Stick to AA cuz I couldn't stay dry more than a short time myself on my own and when I did drink it was On. 1 of my Sponsors pointed out to me that getting loaded ( Drink drugs or gambling) for an Addict is like having sex with a Hot chick, he said I never just stuck it in and stopped.. that made alot of sense to me. so I have been in AA almost 3 1/2 yrs and haven't found it neccesary to pick up.
I love this guy, I remember when I was in an outpatient program they showed us this video, I wonder why ??. I saw Two men in particular in treatment with me and they had been there on there 3rd and 4th treatment programs they were all shaky and sh't. I was like fuk me. I hope I never get like that. the one thing I do remember them telling me is that they never stuck with AA or did the drastic 4th step housecleaning, so the after about 3 months clean time Proceeded to drink themselves to DEATH.
This guy is the Ayatolah of AA cult propanda. AA is all about religious conversion and not really about helping the alcoholic. Its been getting away with this crap since post-prohibition days and is a spin-off of the Carey Nation temperance movement. Sin and redeption.
This is absurd. All alcoholics don't need to turn their will and lives over to the AA cult to get help. This 1936 rhetoric driven archaic recovery program needs a serious overhauling and police officers at every door to arrest all the rapist's in the meetings who are raping the women and getting away with it.
Every one who is sentenced to AA by the courts needs to sue the government for breaking their civil rights. stop13stepinaa stinkin-thinkin
While AA members are busy "working the steps" to supposedly fix their wrongdoings, ppl outside of AA are doing that on a minute to minute basis. Working the steps can sometimes take the aa member years and even then their so called amends are often never made under the loopholes provided (when it harms self or others). But I guess that is the way it goes in a masonic created cult. Fake it until you make it.
@Billparker43 Your comment "The door is always open... You can leave the room of AA anytime you want.... You can get a full refund on your misery back at the local watering hole. So, don't be afraid to give sobriety a chance.... You might be surprised who you meet in there... Your old self .
For me... I grew up with laughter in my home.... It went away with alcohol.... I found out how to laugh again... one day at a time... Have courage... Learn to enjoy the view, even on a detour..."replynxt
@Billparker43 Hey Bill, I was never a drunk like you. I was always too busy taking responsibility for my life and actions without the need to join a cult like AA but whatever lol
This is no cult.. it teaches people like me, who left to their own devices do not know how to live and EMPOWERS the INDIVIDUAL to take back their lives. Preach on brooothherr! NA for life!
They might be a cult, I don't know (I didn't even know they were under that accusation), but I do know I'd prefer to kick addictions to being a cultless addict.
@AzumiRM and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on..
Only an ego would need to make a negative comment. This film is obviously to help people who want it. If you don't, just move along quietly. Nobody has grabbed you and forced you to watch. Just move along & peace be with you, God Bless U!
People care and there is help available-please call 1-800-273-TALK (8255) if you need to talk or visit the aa-intergroup website to find an online meeting.
@fatherjoemartin The only thing these hot lines to is tell you to go to a meeting. AS IF a meeting is going to help all the social, economical and environmental factors that cause addiction. NO they will just tell you that you have an incurable disease that will require your total submission to AA. NO THANK YOU!
@fatherjoemartin said "please call 1-800-273-TALK (8255) if you need to talk or visit the aa-intergroup website to find an online meeting."
SMARTRecovery(dot)org provides the support group without the dogma of AA, and doesn't include religiosity masquerading as spirituality. SMART meetings don't have sponsors acting as untrained, non-certified drug counselors. SMART doesn't teach that we are incurably diseased.
If you're not religious, or if you've prayed and received no help, try SMART.
It is my goal to collet all of Father Martins DVD's. Sadly, they are $50 each from his website. People can trash talk AA all they want, it won't change how much AA has changed my life.
KEEP IT SIMPLE... Get over it. Do you want to live your life as an alcoholic or not? Make you decision. Many people who are driven to AA are depressed & looking for answers. Be strong. No "Higher Power"exists beyond yourself. Sorry to say, no big "man in the sky" is up there watching over you.
So.... where does that leave you? Nowhere. So just make a choice & stick to it. If drinking is fun, do it, if it sucks, don't do it & join a gym, or do something else with your time.
@DJLunasf From the viewpoint of a guy who kicked a 10 year heroin habit at the ripe old age of 26, without EVER setting foot in a 12-step "room", I can personally tell you it is not that simple. "Joining a gym" won't quell the overwhelming NEED for relief. I won't tell you that addiction is a "disease", but it also isn't a symptom of boredom. It's a manifestation of pain. You're in pain, THEN you find the medicine. Giving up the medicine will hurt as well. There's more to fill than time.
@punkeratheart All I'm saying is life is a choice. If you're not happy, make a change. Whatever works for you is good, but I don't believe alcoholism is a "disease".
@DJLunasf Absolutely not, a disease is not defined by a string of symptoms that come in a 20-question form-letter, 3 of which must be answered "yes" in order to be an alcoholic. If that were truly the case, most of the world would consist of alcoholics. However, that is their only way of defining "alcoholism", and justifying their systemic, lifelong, incurable "disease" approach. People use mind-altering substances to excess when they are hurting and it is their only relief. It's not a disease.
Alcoholics falsely beleive that society implores everyone to drink and that it is the norm,which isn't true just as everyone isn't an astronaut and may not care to become one or a golfer.If one was to put drinking into a category of things they can't or don't won't to do such as golfing one would say well i'm no golfer and there's no shame in not golfing in society.I think if you asked a drinker to drink a glass of gasoline they would look at you like your nuts,but the results will be thesame
I got off booze 10 years ago from AA and 12 step, and I was beyond a heavy drinker. 2 six packs a day for years with shots on weekends. For anyone wanting to quit, get into AA asap, it will be the greatest thing you ever do in your life. When you are sober that first few weeks it`s going to absolutely blow your mind how much more together you feel, how much more clearer you can think, how you can literally see and hear better. Alcohol is a poison plain and simple
Father Martin was a character,when I met him I didnt like him thtat was 22 yrs ago,he has passed away since then but I have stayed sober,that speaks volumes to me and thousands of other addicts that listen to him and AA.
I agree there are some 'culty' things about AA, but in the league of 'cults' we're a good one. We don't isolate our members from society or information. Our Big Book tells us that there are many helpful books (ie non AA related information), it tells us to use the services of professionals and religious people (of any denomination), and it also tells us to get out and get a job, or go back to school.
Now, keep drinking guys, and when you've had enough, AA will welcome you with open arms.
@kc1964kc LOL Dude, you are hilarious! "AA's treatment model is at best tangential to addiction". Actually, you're just another stupid junkie who has decided to think his way out of recovery, afraid to do the real work of introspection and being of service. It's a lie to you but to the 30 million worldwide members who have reclaimed their place among the living and maintain real relationships with families it is the only truth. Go take another hit so you can continue to spout your "truth".
@IGOROZKARSKY You hear what you want to hear. That way, when there is evidence that you are wrong about something, your ego doesn't suffer any embarrassment. But seriously, 2 million? NOBODY is that bad at math.
AA is not religion. In fact it's quite the opposite. It's for those of us who tried religion and found it wanting. Page 26 of the 12 and 12: AA does not demand that you believe anything. This AA is a cult business was put out by religious nuts, know nothings and former members who couldn't cut it. And it's perpetuated by YouTube kool-aid drinkers. Get a life! By the way, the Big Book didn't mention sponsorship because they didn't have a word for it yet. But it's in the 12 and 12.
7 yrs in the AA Death cult 8 mos now out...much better out...aa is lie after lie after LIE...not angry just amazed anyone would say it isn't a religion...the ole bait & switch game yet i still tried to believe. finally one day when i was readin the 12 & 12...i knew bill was writing lies...nothing but lies...he was in the middle of 10 yr depression writing how grand life was. LIE! my dr. prescirbed wlbutrin i was told not to talk about that and not take it. i read orange papers. aa sucks hard
@tjfreak this article says it best-How it doesn't work: The dogma of the 12 steps; AA's treatment model is at best tangential to addiction-AA is about living a Christian life. If a person has a SERIOUS addiction problem AA is the LAST PLACE for a person like me to be attempting to get clean/sober. AA should encourage people (REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE) to go to Doctors and medical health professionals and not simply tell the newcomer the have a progressive chronic fatal illness. That is a LIE!
@kc1964kc Have you been ? Where I came from you don't go to meetings unless your physically rid of your DOC,yes people stumble in high,but are taken to the hospital/ detox & welcomed back not to get off the DOC, but try a way that MIGHTkeep them off it. (a progressive chronic fatal illness. That is a LIE! ) why,thats exactly what it is ? I needed amounts always increasing & past what my body and brain could take, It's been since 85 for me, and guess what.. no named religion what so ever !
I appreciate what AA is about but my issue with the AA approach is that it seems to serve as an unintentional advertisement for alcohol. The word "alcohol" is everywhere in AA so your mind can't help but absorb it, even when the connotation is negative. It's like seeing signs for Pepsi everywhere; eventually, you're going to have a Pepsi, your brain can't avoid it. I wish they made more use of the word "sobriety."
I am in and have been sober many years but i have no time for people like this in the film.They spout the same old rhetoric instead of simply being themselves.I prefer people who say it how it is rather than this trumped up old bullshit. Clancys and father martin are two a penny.Self appointed gurus that are completely full of shit
ake what you need & give back a little, AA's not for intellectuals,it's for anyone who's had enough.The religious/ god thing is the first thing people (who need a way out but aren't serious) focus.. on,"oh it's not for me" If I had a dime...blah blah blah, Cult ? brain washers ? why ..its not like organized religions, or organizations capitalizing on others misfortunes,those shit on it with venom, need it most.. a guy on TV sells a book on how to quit,there's an easy way : )
cult that saves lives. not a cult of destuction, a cult of positive force that helps people get sober, rebuild their lives, and add to the lives of others. not bad for a "cult" eh?
Look, if it works for you it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. All he is trying to do is help people out of a bad time in their life. I am NOT religious at all, but I have considered AA for all the non-religious stuff that is involved and mainly just to have someone to talk to who understands (a sponsor). If it didn't work for you, whatever, but it does help some people, so stop being such pricks about it.
Culties ? when you are beaten within an inch of your life by an addiction & have virtually NOTHING left & death looks pretty good but isn't happening, you'll smear shit in your hair and ride a tricycle to escape the the horrible insane hell on earth that it is. So was this Priest accused of being CM .... wasn't aware of that ?
@tjfreak go yo aa so rhey can do what you ban no longer do for yourself-that is beat you down more all the while saying they love you. aa didn't work for bill w...why would i think it would work for anyone else..for instance google wilson and LSD 1959...again aa cult lies
@kc1964kc and your experience is what ? is the long way of sayin it's not for you ?
I didn't experience any of this beat down / love you, stuff.. I just don't see the cult aspect ...no recruitment ,no money/asset seeking, what ever BW did ,he got potential help for those who desire it off the ground,there are morons in AA as anywhere,
@tjfreak this article says it best-How it doesn't work: The dogma of the 12 steps; AA's treatment model is at best tangential to addiction-AA is about living a Christian life. If a person has a SERIOUS addicition problem AA is the LAST PLACE for a person like me to be attempting to get clean/sober. AA should encourage people (REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE) to go to Doctors and medical health professionals and not simple tell the newcomer the have a progressive chronic fatal illness. That is a LIE!
The best criticism of the bad is to just go and do it better. If we object to something thats fine and good, but then attemtpting to transfer our own objections onto those who do benefit says so much more about where we're at than about those we are trying to control or change. Bless you. Love - Recovered & Happy 2010X
karlsmith00 get a life you ass,like your perfict what right do you have to tar him if your ass is sore get cream from doctor and shut up. did you get shagged or are you just mouyhing about something you think you heard
The Program didnt save anyone's life. U decided to stop drinking and this time u meant it. Other times u didnt. Thats my story. The God stuff in AA is garbage and Im not suprised that a catholic priest supports it. How come God does miracles on demand in AA "keeping people sober" when there are thousands of poor kids dying of diseases praying for help and God does nothing. Answer: God isnt there. Take responsibility and help urself. and it's medicine that helps poor kids in africa not God!
Bogus religion as bogus therapy. The more stuff like this is posted on youtube, the more people will see this 12 step "treatment" program" for the hogwash it is. Keep it coming.
i believe people did it themselves but i think they know that as well!! what we are saying is that w/o having something to help us focus /see /believe in themselves /or get through- they wouldnt be where theyre today! no matter how we got to be sober there was something or someone who helped us through! If believing in god (or a higher power then yourself) and the 12 steps OR just the steps did it for you then that is great!
Not every AA member believes in GOD!! WE ALL KNOW WE WERE THE ONES TO CHANGE OUR LIVES!! WE JUST HAD SOMETHING /SOMEONE WHO HELPED US GET THROUGH TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE!! Just like I know I changed because I wanted to not because of someone or something!! I just believe if I did not have that someone who was there I WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY!!!
Dont take away from people trying different things to find what will help them!! I tried a lot of things however I didn't do it with AA but I respect whoever /whatever is out there that helps people with their change! I believe no one should dis any program that is out there to help people change (DON'T DISCOURAGE) let us find what works for us and respect those who believe in GOD!! or 12 STEPS!! (btw i am not religious or go to church) IF IT HELPS SOMEONES DISEASE THEN LET IT BE!!!
Agreed. - AA didn't start as a money-making cult, (but just another man made religion) but it became a money-making cult when it started proselytizing & gained the respect of doctors and the US legal system a charged $ in AA indoctrinated rehab centers promoting cultie 12 stepism.
I saw Father Martin live several times in my early sobriety and Chalk Talk was very helpful to my wife too. I'm glad you're posting on YouTube again and hope you do more. Your earlier snipetts were too brief to be helpful. Would you consider posting Chalk Talk in it's entirety? There's a huge audience here. Thanks!
1. I admitted that I was powerless over my addiction, cannot beat it so I drove to a meeting, sat there for an hour, paid for all of their literature, paid the collection bowel, and drove home. I gave up hours of my life daily for three months straight, to be told that drinking is bad for you.
2. Came to believe that I have an irrational belief on an invisible power greater than myself. I have come to believe that at times when I had a hard time with this concept, I have come to believe that a toaster can control my life, and have considered praying to a toaster, or the wind or other forces of nature. when that was hard to stomach, I believed that a group of drunks who wont take their medicine, are untrained and uneducated, have no legal confidentiality with me
can actually work miracles, of the type that are described in the bible.
3. A was so insane that a decided to turn my will and my life and my decisions of my life over to an invisible deity, or my toaster, or the wind. Other times a let a group of strangers with serious mental health issues be my "higher power"
4. I engaged in a program of self hate. I basically beat myself up and read a stupid book which did so as well. It told me what a selfish evil person I was, and did so to brainwash
myself so that I could accept the mind control of a cult. I was setting myself up to be mentally useless.
5. Then I prayed to the invisible man in the sky (or my toaster) and, ready for this, a trusted all of this to some stranger who I appointed to be in control of my life decisions. I allowed him to fuck with my head, and any time I said that I was right in a conflict; he browbeat me and told me that I was not being "rigorously honest"
6. Decided to sit around and wait for my toaster to make me a perfect person (believed in miracles)
7. Actually asked my toaster to do this. Also, I was so incredibly stupid that I needed another step to say this. 2 steps to day that I was ready for my toaster to fix me, and d then asked my toaster to fix me. Again this weak mental state puts me at risk for molesting children.
8. Decided to dig up old trash, and think about everything that went wrong in life and blamed myself for it,
and then, embarrassed myself by telling some mentally ill, controlling person, how everything in my life was my fault. When I tried to say that some things were not, he, in spite of having never been three , told me that I was not being rigorously honest and that EVERYTHINNG was my fault because I was an alcoholic (even if I was not drinking then or now. Clearly anyone who is this stupid and spaghetti willed could not have a meaningful relationship (was told not to anyway by my sponsor)
9. Was ordered by the sick individual (who calls himself my sponsor, even though a sponsor is someone who pays for things, and he never paid for anything) to find people to humiliate myself to.
10 was so stupid that after this humiliating and dehumanizing experience, I allowed myself to be convinced that I had to do this repeatedly and allow a bunch of angry self proclaimed alcoholics to continuously break down my will.
11. Displayed genuine insanity. I was told to speak with an invisible man in the sky or my toaster and ask them what to do on every decision that I made. When I told the sponsor that my toaster and invisible man did not answer me, he said that he heard them talking. He said that he had years of experience and so he could hear the invisible voices. I then, did want he told me, the voices were telling me to do.
12. I then tried to proselytize this insane religion, saying that the law is wrong and that it is spiritual, and not religious, even though I could not see any meaningful distinction between the two, nor do the courts in the United States.
12. I then tried to proselytize this insane religion, saying that the law is wrong and that it is spiritual, and not religious, even though I could not see any meaningful distinction between the two, nor do the courts in the United States.
Actually I got in Touch With AA World Services, This is what they expained to me: "When permission was granted to Father Martin, he was asked to include a disclaimer with his film to ensure that his use of the Steps did not imply an affiliation and/or an endorsement by A.A."
And He must include it now, Because the permission was granted in 1978.
"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is." - L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983
I think when the Steps and Traditions are for sell outside of the programs of AA and Al-Anon, the price goes up....they need to remain inexpensive, that is, they costs so little but give sooooooooooo much!
I love how Fr. Martin always starts with a joke :) Anyways, *Kindle* owners, check out my eMagazine! Love and Light to ALL /watch?v=wocD6tEXIeo
OdomtologyBooks 4 weeks ago
Lol these rules seem pretty darn spot on, dont see nothing wrong with them....dont get why people are all fighting about how its religious or not. If u wanna get sober and these steps u feel might help u.....do it if not dont lmao.
hudder92 4 weeks ago
what do they say..religious people are afraid of going to hell and spiritual people have been to hell and do not want to go back....
jdu6 1 month ago
and the Vatican killed a whole bunch of poor folk throughout history,, but Im still wearing this white neck tie...
ufozmankato 1 month ago
UMMMM who cares "RELIGIOUS" or NOTTTT; QUIT making excuses to Keep up your foolishness and not get help! thats all ya doing by picking fault! TRY THIS.... K????? If ya wish to make it... (and MAKE IT can be your definition, can be... to pay your bills, can be to make your loved ones proud, can be to incorporate some Loved ones, can be........ TO LIVE; possibly, to maintain freedom??), TRYYYYYY to keep an OPEN mind, flip it to your liking in confindes of sobreity, TAKE INITIATIVE grow BALLZ
nickovw27 1 month ago
Fact 1 - I was highly addicted to drugs and alcohol
Fact 2 - Never knew how to form meaningful relationships with my own family, let alone anyone else
Fact 3 - Tried becoming more mentally stronger, driven, motivated
Fact 4 - Tried every other way including trying religion, therapists, abstinence, geographical changes, before trying the "cult and cliches" as I saw it.
Fact 5 - AA/NA worked for me and saved my life.
Hate all you want, Im living well. Can you honestly say you are? Lie to yourself
DNBGuRu 1 month ago
@DNBGuRu Well said.
fabulousgerro661 1 month ago
I'm a die hard agnostic I can tell you there are people in AA that try and force there ideas down your throat! I buy into the books and the steps and the traditions and what I do outside of the rooms is no one's business! Been sober for 2 years.
blinds88 2 months ago
There is nothing about sponsors in the first 164 pages of that book
Tuckle 3 months ago
@Tuckle chapter7 page 89 Workign with others is a full chapter about sponsoring so why argue about something you know nothing about
RazorFamousCrazer 2 months ago
@RazorFamousCrazer Yeah, I guess being sober since 1987 gives me no right to say anything. My bad.
Tuckle 2 months ago
12 steps arfe dated it isnt 1936 anymore.. tecnolgy changes entertainment changes medicine changes and now support towards working with alcoholics and drug addicts has changed there more advanced
657james 4 months ago
@teg598 ..true. they cant hide behind the collor no more.
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I like the one about my Alcoholism being like having sex with a Hot Chick. I always wanted to keep having sex with them, the same as my drinking. Once I started drinking I really just indulged myself!!! My way didn't work, that's how I ended up on a seat in an AA meeting!!!
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opendtuning 6 months ago
great coming from a man who drinks wine every day........oh! sorry its a religous thing.
euroman32589 8 months ago
And 12 steps are not religious right ... RIGHT! LOL What a bunch of shit.
DRDNIBOY 8 months ago 2
@DRDNIBOY I don't care what any person believes in, religion or government, if you are true to yourself if you want to get away from this disease, this works.
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@StanBennet "amen" oh shoot, i said amen, does that make me an extremist Christian? No! it does work though and many people have changed their lives and actually began to enjoy and contribute more to others
plrviking 3 months ago
@DRDNIBOY .totally agree.
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@DRDNIBOY just because one man or one religion agrees that the 12 step program is effective or supports it does not mean that the 12 step program is religious. That's like saying that if Christianity supports Love that Love must be solely Christian or religious, when in reality the Love is just practiced by the group. The AA program appeals to many different types of people and although it may share ideas with religion such as the importance of amends or change, it doesnt make them the same.
plrviking 3 months ago
@DRDNIBOY the 12 steps are a SPIRITUAL *not* RELIGIOUS program from the DISEASE of addiction. You should read before you post dude...
fsmorel123 3 months ago
@fsmorel123 said "the 12 steps are a SPIRITUAL *not* RELIGIOUS"
Believe in a god, pray to a god, have faith in a god, ask a god for help, and at the end of the meeting, hold hands in a prayer circle and pray the Lord's Prayer (directly quoting the holy book of the Christian religion).
You say that a Higher Power can be anything you choose? What hears and answers prayers besides a god?
AA is a religious program. Supreme Court rulings say spirituality and religion are the same thing.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Can you cite the Supreme Court rulings that say spirituality = religion? I'll wait.
Forever, because you won't find that.
Tuckle 3 months ago
@Tuckle In Griffin v. Coughlin 1997, Judge Levine, writing for the court's majority, concluded that the AA program is devoted to proselytizing for a religious belief. The court's conclusion was based on its reading of several profiles of early AA members as they are set forth in the AA Big Book and the AA Twelve and Twelve.
Also State Supreme courts in New York and Tennessee, the Federal District Court for Southern New York, 1994, the New York Court of Appeals, 1996...
AA = religious cult.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 AA may be a cult but could you imagine the statistics of Victims that get killed in Drink Driving accident had AA not been formed? Im proud of being a member of AA it saved my life today im a proud child of god that helps other young people who are struggling with drugs and alcohol Thats all AA is help get better understanding on how to have a better relationship with God and help other siners why is that so fucking bad?
RazorFamousCrazer 2 months ago
@Tuckle July 31, 2001, United States District Court Judge Brieant overturned the conviction of Paul Cox because Cox had "shared" two murders with other A.A.members at a meeting. One turned him in. And at the trial, other A.A. members were forced to testify.
The Judge ruled the confession at A.A. was inadmissible, just like Catholics' confessions to their priests are inadmissible. Judge Brieant cited a 1999 federal appeals court declaration that A.A. is a religion, and threw out the conviction.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Religion is learning about God Spirituality is living the word of God AA is a Con your right 12 steps also came out of the bible and when worked the 12 steps will guide an alcoholic through a life that an alcoholic like me could ever dream of Could you imagine the death toll of drunk driving victims had AA not been formed? the death toll would be so high alcohol would be illegal by now
RazorFamousCrazer 2 months ago
@DRDNIBOY well it has a bunch of different people from different religous backgrounds come in and helps people get a personal relationship with they er god Religon is for people who dont want to go to hell Spiritualit y is for those who been through and dont want to go back AA is a program for Sinners that teach other sinners how to help others
RazorFamousCrazer 2 months ago
@DRDNIBOY Read how it works in the big book Maybe u well have a better understanding. It`s whomever your higher power is. Religion is only for those that are religious.
jimmyfarley11 1 month ago
Sounds like your struggling. I will PRAY for you!!
yankeesalt 1 month ago
And the people who don't like AA if they can find an easier softer way and abstain or control there drinking using ect. then more power to them. AA is for people that all else fails. AA takes a lot of dicipline and humilty gotta let enough of that false pride and ego go or die... I got a friend thats on Dui #6 and losing his job, health , relationships, but I'll be damned he's gonna do it his way, all I can do is share my experience with him and let him do it his way. he cant imagine life w/o
Scarbone69 8 months ago
So I decided to Stick to AA cuz I couldn't stay dry more than a short time myself on my own and when I did drink it was On. 1 of my Sponsors pointed out to me that getting loaded ( Drink drugs or gambling) for an Addict is like having sex with a Hot chick, he said I never just stuck it in and stopped.. that made alot of sense to me. so I have been in AA almost 3 1/2 yrs and haven't found it neccesary to pick up.
Scarbone69 8 months ago
I love this guy, I remember when I was in an outpatient program they showed us this video, I wonder why ??. I saw Two men in particular in treatment with me and they had been there on there 3rd and 4th treatment programs they were all shaky and sh't. I was like fuk me. I hope I never get like that. the one thing I do remember them telling me is that they never stuck with AA or did the drastic 4th step housecleaning, so the after about 3 months clean time Proceeded to drink themselves to DEATH.
Scarbone69 8 months ago
This guy is the Ayatolah of AA cult propanda. AA is all about religious conversion and not really about helping the alcoholic. Its been getting away with this crap since post-prohibition days and is a spin-off of the Carey Nation temperance movement. Sin and redeption.
somethingdiffereable 8 months ago
This is absurd. All alcoholics don't need to turn their will and lives over to the AA cult to get help. This 1936 rhetoric driven archaic recovery program needs a serious overhauling and police officers at every door to arrest all the rapist's in the meetings who are raping the women and getting away with it.
Every one who is sentenced to AA by the courts needs to sue the government for breaking their civil rights. stop13stepinaa stinkin-thinkin
inwood75 8 months ago 2
While AA members are busy "working the steps" to supposedly fix their wrongdoings, ppl outside of AA are doing that on a minute to minute basis. Working the steps can sometimes take the aa member years and even then their so called amends are often never made under the loopholes provided (when it harms self or others). But I guess that is the way it goes in a masonic created cult. Fake it until you make it.
beautifulmind546 8 months ago 2
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Billparker43 5 months ago
@Billparker43 Your comment "The door is always open... You can leave the room of AA anytime you want.... You can get a full refund on your misery back at the local watering hole. So, don't be afraid to give sobriety a chance.... You might be surprised who you meet in there... Your old self .
For me... I grew up with laughter in my home.... It went away with alcohol.... I found out how to laugh again... one day at a time... Have courage... Learn to enjoy the view, even on a detour..."replynxt
beautifulmind546 5 months ago
@Billparker43 Hey Bill, I was never a drunk like you. I was always too busy taking responsibility for my life and actions without the need to join a cult like AA but whatever lol
beautifulmind546 5 months ago
This is no cult.. it teaches people like me, who left to their own devices do not know how to live and EMPOWERS the INDIVIDUAL to take back their lives. Preach on brooothherr! NA for life!
vinnymac17 10 months ago
They might be a cult, I don't know (I didn't even know they were under that accusation), but I do know I'd prefer to kick addictions to being a cultless addict.
Ebvardh 11 months ago
What a tosser! He deserved to be excommunicated for preaching this heretical baloney.
MrTobytwirl 11 months ago
Probably my favorite Father Martin video.
Polaris382 11 months ago
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mrdubcrazy 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
he who is without sin cast the first stone father
markbify 11 months ago
This guy is really beating a dead horse with this. Just say step 1 and leave it at that. But no... this guy has to drag it on and on and on and on.
AzumiRM 1 year ago
@AzumiRM and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on..
mrdubcrazy 11 months ago
0:34 BOSS
ha ha
hbomb121x 1 year ago
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hbomb121x 1 year ago
Only an ego would need to make a negative comment. This film is obviously to help people who want it. If you don't, just move along quietly. Nobody has grabbed you and forced you to watch. Just move along & peace be with you, God Bless U!
andredn4 1 year ago
@andredn4 Well said...but fearful & egotistical people don't know how to Live & Let Live.
mewmeehan 1 year ago
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IGOROZKARSKY 1 year ago
@IGOROZKARSKY God uses 12 step programs.People are being healed. Yes I am a pastor.
shortbus999 1 year ago
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teed60 11 months ago
@shortbus999
If Christ does not have his name on it,where do all these powers come from?
teed60 11 months ago
Thank God for people like Fr. Martin
FACES4kids 1 year ago
People care and there is help available-please call 1-800-273-TALK (8255) if you need to talk or visit the aa-intergroup website to find an online meeting.
fatherjoemartin 1 year ago 2
@fatherjoemartin The only thing these hot lines to is tell you to go to a meeting. AS IF a meeting is going to help all the social, economical and environmental factors that cause addiction. NO they will just tell you that you have an incurable disease that will require your total submission to AA. NO THANK YOU!
DRDNIBOY 8 months ago
@fatherjoemartin said "please call 1-800-273-TALK (8255) if you need to talk or visit the aa-intergroup website to find an online meeting."
SMARTRecovery(dot)org provides the support group without the dogma of AA, and doesn't include religiosity masquerading as spirituality. SMART meetings don't have sponsors acting as untrained, non-certified drug counselors. SMART doesn't teach that we are incurably diseased.
If you're not religious, or if you've prayed and received no help, try SMART.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Gee, your agenda here is so well masked. /sarcasm
Tuckle 3 months ago
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ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
I rather die than being sober, bye.
SJPatrik 1 year ago
It is my goal to collet all of Father Martins DVD's. Sadly, they are $50 each from his website. People can trash talk AA all they want, it won't change how much AA has changed my life.
MikeDSept21 1 year ago
Why is he lying?
AnviIOfKrom 1 year ago
The legion is watching you
somethingdiffereable 1 year ago
KEEP IT SIMPLE... Get over it. Do you want to live your life as an alcoholic or not? Make you decision. Many people who are driven to AA are depressed & looking for answers. Be strong. No "Higher Power"exists beyond yourself. Sorry to say, no big "man in the sky" is up there watching over you.
So.... where does that leave you? Nowhere. So just make a choice & stick to it. If drinking is fun, do it, if it sucks, don't do it & join a gym, or do something else with your time.
DJLunasf 1 year ago
@DJLunasf From the viewpoint of a guy who kicked a 10 year heroin habit at the ripe old age of 26, without EVER setting foot in a 12-step "room", I can personally tell you it is not that simple. "Joining a gym" won't quell the overwhelming NEED for relief. I won't tell you that addiction is a "disease", but it also isn't a symptom of boredom. It's a manifestation of pain. You're in pain, THEN you find the medicine. Giving up the medicine will hurt as well. There's more to fill than time.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
@punkeratheart All I'm saying is life is a choice. If you're not happy, make a change. Whatever works for you is good, but I don't believe alcoholism is a "disease".
DJLunasf 1 year ago
@DJLunasf Absolutely not, a disease is not defined by a string of symptoms that come in a 20-question form-letter, 3 of which must be answered "yes" in order to be an alcoholic. If that were truly the case, most of the world would consist of alcoholics. However, that is their only way of defining "alcoholism", and justifying their systemic, lifelong, incurable "disease" approach. People use mind-altering substances to excess when they are hurting and it is their only relief. It's not a disease.
punkeratheart 1 year ago
Alcoholics falsely beleive that society implores everyone to drink and that it is the norm,which isn't true just as everyone isn't an astronaut and may not care to become one or a golfer.If one was to put drinking into a category of things they can't or don't won't to do such as golfing one would say well i'm no golfer and there's no shame in not golfing in society.I think if you asked a drinker to drink a glass of gasoline they would look at you like your nuts,but the results will be thesame
Doughnutchef 1 year ago
contradictor!
DEXTERRITORY 1 year ago
I got off booze 10 years ago from AA and 12 step, and I was beyond a heavy drinker. 2 six packs a day for years with shots on weekends. For anyone wanting to quit, get into AA asap, it will be the greatest thing you ever do in your life. When you are sober that first few weeks it`s going to absolutely blow your mind how much more together you feel, how much more clearer you can think, how you can literally see and hear better. Alcohol is a poison plain and simple
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mrdubcrazy 11 months ago
Father Martin was a character,when I met him I didnt like him thtat was 22 yrs ago,he has passed away since then but I have stayed sober,that speaks volumes to me and thousands of other addicts that listen to him and AA.
RealGSD 1 year ago
I agree there are some 'culty' things about AA, but in the league of 'cults' we're a good one. We don't isolate our members from society or information. Our Big Book tells us that there are many helpful books (ie non AA related information), it tells us to use the services of professionals and religious people (of any denomination), and it also tells us to get out and get a job, or go back to school.
Now, keep drinking guys, and when you've had enough, AA will welcome you with open arms.
Dontworrybehappyism 1 year ago 2
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IGOROZKARSKY 1 year ago
@Dontworrybehappyism i love your message..thanks
DOCTORGEORGIE 9 months ago
@kc1964kc LOL Dude, you are hilarious! "AA's treatment model is at best tangential to addiction". Actually, you're just another stupid junkie who has decided to think his way out of recovery, afraid to do the real work of introspection and being of service. It's a lie to you but to the 30 million worldwide members who have reclaimed their place among the living and maintain real relationships with families it is the only truth. Go take another hit so you can continue to spout your "truth".
recoveredperv 1 year ago
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IGOROZKARSKY 1 year ago
@IGOROZKARSKY You hear what you want to hear. That way, when there is evidence that you are wrong about something, your ego doesn't suffer any embarrassment. But seriously, 2 million? NOBODY is that bad at math.
recoveredperv 1 year ago
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IGOROZKARSKY 1 year ago
It works if you work it!
askinfull 1 year ago
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askinfull 1 year ago
don't get the cult stuff, I've heard people say how inspired the 12 steps are
meyersonfire 1 year ago
AA is not religion. In fact it's quite the opposite. It's for those of us who tried religion and found it wanting. Page 26 of the 12 and 12: AA does not demand that you believe anything. This AA is a cult business was put out by religious nuts, know nothings and former members who couldn't cut it. And it's perpetuated by YouTube kool-aid drinkers. Get a life! By the way, the Big Book didn't mention sponsorship because they didn't have a word for it yet. But it's in the 12 and 12.
tuttrussify 1 year ago
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IGOROZKARSKY 1 year ago
@IGOROZKARSKY What are you asking me for? You 've got a huge electronic dictionary right in front of you. Use it!
tuttrussify 1 year ago
The 164 pages of the program does not even mention the word sponsor !!!!!!!
No A.A. step mentions the word or label
No Tradition of A.A. mentions the word or label
A sponsor is simply a personality - Another personality
A.A. is spiritual not religious meaning it has to come from within
personal willingness - A.A. is a free gift don't be conned or sold a bill of GOODS - This guy is a nut check out A.A.
Allamericom 1 year ago
No matter what kind of help there is, out there...
It doesn't matter WHAT it is or HOW it's presented...
People will always get on here and talk chit about
it, call it a cult, lies etc etc. If anyone gets on here
feeling discouraged. What about all the people it
actually helps and keeps from getting behind the
wheel while drunk and possibly killing someone?
Is it still BS? Or do these folks know what they're
talking about?
moguy200979 1 year ago 2
@moguy200979
Edit: Take out the "If anyone gets on here feeling discouraged."
meant to delete that bit. :)
moguy200979 1 year ago
7 yrs in the AA Death cult 8 mos now out...much better out...aa is lie after lie after LIE...not angry just amazed anyone would say it isn't a religion...the ole bait & switch game yet i still tried to believe. finally one day when i was readin the 12 & 12...i knew bill was writing lies...nothing but lies...he was in the middle of 10 yr depression writing how grand life was. LIE! my dr. prescirbed wlbutrin i was told not to talk about that and not take it. i read orange papers. aa sucks hard
kc1964kc 1 year ago
@tjfreak this article says it best-How it doesn't work: The dogma of the 12 steps; AA's treatment model is at best tangential to addiction-AA is about living a Christian life. If a person has a SERIOUS addiction problem AA is the LAST PLACE for a person like me to be attempting to get clean/sober. AA should encourage people (REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE) to go to Doctors and medical health professionals and not simply tell the newcomer the have a progressive chronic fatal illness. That is a LIE!
kc1964kc 1 year ago
@kc1964kc Have you been ? Where I came from you don't go to meetings unless your physically rid of your DOC,yes people stumble in high,but are taken to the hospital/ detox & welcomed back not to get off the DOC, but try a way that MIGHTkeep them off it. (a progressive chronic fatal illness. That is a LIE! ) why,thats exactly what it is ? I needed amounts always increasing & past what my body and brain could take, It's been since 85 for me, and guess what.. no named religion what so ever !
tjfreak 1 year ago
@AsVickieSeesItThe best part is about Bill Wilson...total lie.
kc1964kc 1 year ago
I appreciate what AA is about but my issue with the AA approach is that it seems to serve as an unintentional advertisement for alcohol. The word "alcohol" is everywhere in AA so your mind can't help but absorb it, even when the connotation is negative. It's like seeing signs for Pepsi everywhere; eventually, you're going to have a Pepsi, your brain can't avoid it. I wish they made more use of the word "sobriety."
jksonny 1 year ago
I am in and have been sober many years but i have no time for people like this in the film.They spout the same old rhetoric instead of simply being themselves.I prefer people who say it how it is rather than this trumped up old bullshit. Clancys and father martin are two a penny.Self appointed gurus that are completely full of shit
kevphillips02 1 year ago
@kevphillips02/tjfreak - shineonyoucrazydiamonds...just sell the AA religion elsewhere.
kc1964kc 1 year ago
@kc1964kc I am not interested in your opinions.bye
kevphillips02 1 year ago
ake what you need & give back a little, AA's not for intellectuals,it's for anyone who's had enough.The religious/ god thing is the first thing people (who need a way out but aren't serious) focus.. on,"oh it's not for me" If I had a dime...blah blah blah, Cult ? brain washers ? why ..its not like organized religions, or organizations capitalizing on others misfortunes,those shit on it with venom, need it most.. a guy on TV sells a book on how to quit,there's an easy way : )
tjfreak 1 year ago
fatherjoe eh
casper1240 1 year ago
I wonder how many kiddies this pompous ass-hole abused.
NoiseGrinder 1 year ago
cult that saves lives. not a cult of destuction, a cult of positive force that helps people get sober, rebuild their lives, and add to the lives of others. not bad for a "cult" eh?
bennettribe 1 year ago
Well... been sober since 1985. Thanks to a great treatment program and AA.
As Bill stated, not all of us will make it.
2580sp 1 year ago
unfortunately AA doesnt work for 97%of people like rehab a very low success rate
casper1240 1 year ago
@casper1240 And AA is the only "treatment" that is ineffective and SIMULTANEOUSLY blames its failure on those whom it does not help!
Commonsense11111 1 year ago
@casper1240" many are called few are chosen"
kevphillips02 1 year ago
Look, if it works for you it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. All he is trying to do is help people out of a bad time in their life. I am NOT religious at all, but I have considered AA for all the non-religious stuff that is involved and mainly just to have someone to talk to who understands (a sponsor). If it didn't work for you, whatever, but it does help some people, so stop being such pricks about it.
wolfhawk1999 1 year ago
AA sounds like it sucks balls...
squirttilithurts 2 years ago
Father, you sir, are not my father.
goucher04 2 years ago
it's a cult
hpmc9 2 years ago 2
@hpmc9 Define cult.
StanBennet 11 months ago
@StanBennet •a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false
from google ha ha ;D
yams801 11 months ago
Chalk talk straight from the mouth of the angry drunken child molesting priest himself. All AA culties believe in the god of the doorknb.
Yoganao 2 years ago 2
Culties ? when you are beaten within an inch of your life by an addiction & have virtually NOTHING left & death looks pretty good but isn't happening, you'll smear shit in your hair and ride a tricycle to escape the the horrible insane hell on earth that it is. So was this Priest accused of being CM .... wasn't aware of that ?
tjfreak 1 year ago 2
@tjfreak god has that priest fu inished his drunkaloge yet whoo needs it
casper1240 1 year ago
@tjfreak googled "Father Joe Martin child molestation".
nothing.
Smartymcnotsosmart78 1 year ago
@tjfreak go yo aa so rhey can do what you ban no longer do for yourself-that is beat you down more all the while saying they love you. aa didn't work for bill w...why would i think it would work for anyone else..for instance google wilson and LSD 1959...again aa cult lies
kc1964kc 1 year ago
@kc1964kc and your experience is what ? is the long way of sayin it's not for you ?
I didn't experience any of this beat down / love you, stuff.. I just don't see the cult aspect ...no recruitment ,no money/asset seeking, what ever BW did ,he got potential help for those who desire it off the ground,there are morons in AA as anywhere,
tjfreak 1 year ago
@tjfreak this article says it best-How it doesn't work: The dogma of the 12 steps; AA's treatment model is at best tangential to addiction-AA is about living a Christian life. If a person has a SERIOUS addicition problem AA is the LAST PLACE for a person like me to be attempting to get clean/sober. AA should encourage people (REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE) to go to Doctors and medical health professionals and not simple tell the newcomer the have a progressive chronic fatal illness. That is a LIE!
kc1964kc 1 year ago
Chalk talk blows!!!!
12stepfailure 2 years ago 2
The best criticism of the bad is to just go and do it better. If we object to something thats fine and good, but then attemtpting to transfer our own objections onto those who do benefit says so much more about where we're at than about those we are trying to control or change. Bless you. Love - Recovered & Happy 2010X
SelflessWill 2 years ago
aa zombie cut speak...huh?
kc1964kc 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
aa sober 25yrs,,,i am,,,,,listenin to fr m,,,,hes great,,,,,early yrs i could not list to him,,,,thnx YT
mmykiee 2 years ago
karlsmith00 get a life you ass,like your perfict what right do you have to tar him if your ass is sore get cream from doctor and shut up. did you get shagged or are you just mouyhing about something you think you heard
601298 2 years ago
some people should remain anonymous.
this guy probably will.
teddynovacks 2 years ago
The Program didnt save anyone's life. U decided to stop drinking and this time u meant it. Other times u didnt. Thats my story. The God stuff in AA is garbage and Im not suprised that a catholic priest supports it. How come God does miracles on demand in AA "keeping people sober" when there are thousands of poor kids dying of diseases praying for help and God does nothing. Answer: God isnt there. Take responsibility and help urself. and it's medicine that helps poor kids in africa not God!
NoiseGrinder 2 years ago
Higher Power stuff you me.
Because he's a Priest he talks God, sorry that scared you away.
Don't blame God for the free will of man.
If God controlled us.
we would be puppets.
DarkMonkArt 2 years ago
The best criticism of the bad is to just go and do it better... X
SelflessWill 2 years ago
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SelflessWill 2 years ago
@NoiseGrinder true
casper1240 1 year ago
Watch "bullshit" by Penn & Teller called "12 steppin".
Michlimania 2 years ago
The Catholic Church hated the Oxford Group, the predecessor to Alcoholics Anonymous. Now they're in bed together?
rwsandman 2 years ago
@rwsandman i never trusted priests theyve got a bad name
casper1240 1 year ago
Bogus religion as bogus therapy. The more stuff like this is posted on youtube, the more people will see this 12 step "treatment" program" for the hogwash it is. Keep it coming.
tobytwirrll 2 years ago
I wonder why it is you are watching it then - how does "it saved my life" sound (many thousands of people over)? Keep coming back
onepinkfriday 2 years ago
i believe people did it themselves but i think they know that as well!! what we are saying is that w/o having something to help us focus /see /believe in themselves /or get through- they wouldnt be where theyre today! no matter how we got to be sober there was something or someone who helped us through! If believing in god (or a higher power then yourself) and the 12 steps OR just the steps did it for you then that is great!
lcb1979 2 years ago
Not every AA member believes in GOD!! WE ALL KNOW WE WERE THE ONES TO CHANGE OUR LIVES!! WE JUST HAD SOMETHING /SOMEONE WHO HELPED US GET THROUGH TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE!! Just like I know I changed because I wanted to not because of someone or something!! I just believe if I did not have that someone who was there I WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY!!!
lcb1979 2 years ago
Dont take away from people trying different things to find what will help them!! I tried a lot of things however I didn't do it with AA but I respect whoever /whatever is out there that helps people with their change! I believe no one should dis any program that is out there to help people change (DON'T DISCOURAGE) let us find what works for us and respect those who believe in GOD!! or 12 STEPS!! (btw i am not religious or go to church) IF IT HELPS SOMEONES DISEASE THEN LET IT BE!!!
lcb1979 2 years ago
Stating a point of view isn't taking help away from people.
tobytwirrll 2 years ago 2
awsome ! god brought me to aa then aa brought me to god.
duffmetal1970 3 years ago 3
Program saved my life. It'ws all about the individual
fridogg 3 years ago
Agreed. - AA didn't start as a money-making cult, (but just another man made religion) but it became a money-making cult when it started proselytizing & gained the respect of doctors and the US legal system a charged $ in AA indoctrinated rehab centers promoting cultie 12 stepism.
Yoganao 3 years ago
I saw Father Martin live several times in my early sobriety and Chalk Talk was very helpful to my wife too. I'm glad you're posting on YouTube again and hope you do more. Your earlier snipetts were too brief to be helpful. Would you consider posting Chalk Talk in it's entirety? There's a huge audience here. Thanks!
S0RDIDTRUTH 3 years ago 2
1. I admitted that I was powerless over my addiction, cannot beat it so I drove to a meeting, sat there for an hour, paid for all of their literature, paid the collection bowel, and drove home. I gave up hours of my life daily for three months straight, to be told that drinking is bad for you.
AAPetofile 3 years ago
2. Came to believe that I have an irrational belief on an invisible power greater than myself. I have come to believe that at times when I had a hard time with this concept, I have come to believe that a toaster can control my life, and have considered praying to a toaster, or the wind or other forces of nature. when that was hard to stomach, I believed that a group of drunks who wont take their medicine, are untrained and uneducated, have no legal confidentiality with me
AAPetofile 3 years ago 2
can actually work miracles, of the type that are described in the bible.
3. A was so insane that a decided to turn my will and my life and my decisions of my life over to an invisible deity, or my toaster, or the wind. Other times a let a group of strangers with serious mental health issues be my "higher power"
4. I engaged in a program of self hate. I basically beat myself up and read a stupid book which did so as well. It told me what a selfish evil person I was, and did so to brainwash
AAPetofile 3 years ago
myself so that I could accept the mind control of a cult. I was setting myself up to be mentally useless.
5. Then I prayed to the invisible man in the sky (or my toaster) and, ready for this, a trusted all of this to some stranger who I appointed to be in control of my life decisions. I allowed him to fuck with my head, and any time I said that I was right in a conflict; he browbeat me and told me that I was not being "rigorously honest"
AAPetofile 3 years ago
6. Decided to sit around and wait for my toaster to make me a perfect person (believed in miracles)
7. Actually asked my toaster to do this. Also, I was so incredibly stupid that I needed another step to say this. 2 steps to day that I was ready for my toaster to fix me, and d then asked my toaster to fix me. Again this weak mental state puts me at risk for molesting children.
8. Decided to dig up old trash, and think about everything that went wrong in life and blamed myself for it,
AAPetofile 3 years ago
and then, embarrassed myself by telling some mentally ill, controlling person, how everything in my life was my fault. When I tried to say that some things were not, he, in spite of having never been three , told me that I was not being rigorously honest and that EVERYTHINNG was my fault because I was an alcoholic (even if I was not drinking then or now. Clearly anyone who is this stupid and spaghetti willed could not have a meaningful relationship (was told not to anyway by my sponsor)
AAPetofile 3 years ago
9. Was ordered by the sick individual (who calls himself my sponsor, even though a sponsor is someone who pays for things, and he never paid for anything) to find people to humiliate myself to.
10 was so stupid that after this humiliating and dehumanizing experience, I allowed myself to be convinced that I had to do this repeatedly and allow a bunch of angry self proclaimed alcoholics to continuously break down my will.
AAPetofile 3 years ago
11. Displayed genuine insanity. I was told to speak with an invisible man in the sky or my toaster and ask them what to do on every decision that I made. When I told the sponsor that my toaster and invisible man did not answer me, he said that he heard them talking. He said that he had years of experience and so he could hear the invisible voices. I then, did want he told me, the voices were telling me to do.
AAPetofile 3 years ago
12. I then tried to proselytize this insane religion, saying that the law is wrong and that it is spiritual, and not religious, even though I could not see any meaningful distinction between the two, nor do the courts in the United States.
AAPetofile 3 years ago
you obviously failed. keep coming back
mixmomma321 2 years ago
There is still hope for you.
sarcoed 2 years ago
I like what this man has to say. but not the cost of his dvd's. its supposed to be a non profit organisation.
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12. I then tried to proselytize this insane religion, saying that the law is wrong and that it is spiritual, and not religious, even though I could not see any meaningful distinction between the two, nor do the courts in the United States.
AAPetofile 3 years ago
Actually I got in Touch With AA World Services, This is what they expained to me: "When permission was granted to Father Martin, he was asked to include a disclaimer with his film to ensure that his use of the Steps did not imply an affiliation and/or an endorsement by A.A."
And He must include it now, Because the permission was granted in 1978.
CarlosGTR 3 years ago
"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is." - L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983
CommentsOpener 3 years ago
There are bigger cults than $cientology, and this one sucks in and spits out more people in six months than Co$ has ever affected.
AA was not started as a money-making cult, but it became one when it started proselytizing and gained the respect of doctors and the US legal system.
It's about as effective as narCONon, and equally dangerous for those who follow 12-step dogma.
ChoofMonster 3 years ago
we'll pray for you
mixmomma321 2 years ago
Why buy the steps of AA from this man? when you can get them for free at any AA meeting around the globe?
AA attorneys should look into this...
CarlosGTR 3 years ago
I think when the Steps and Traditions are for sell outside of the programs of AA and Al-Anon, the price goes up....they need to remain inexpensive, that is, they costs so little but give sooooooooooo much!
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