I think Odo's the only changeling effected by not being able to revert to a liquid every 16 hours. After all, the female changeling couldn't revert to any other state for quite a while some time later from this episode. And she didn't look half as bad as Odo does. Though, her cropped form was the result of something else than what Odo is suffering from right now.
I find it very interesting that Garak clearly wants to stop, but he pushes on, like that part of his Cardasian nature won't let him avoid torturing a subject.
maybe there is a security system against unauthorized deactivation and maybe it is also built safe against smashing it. ;) There will always be an answer to some questions in sci-fi-logic. but i have to admit, it is a good question after all. :)
@buckshot339 Garak's a trained spy. Odo pretty much relies on his shapeshifting abilities. Without them, pretty sure Garak could have beaten Odo easily, and Odo knows it.
that's the thing about those video copying tools for copying vids, they timing is always off from the actual vid and the audio. i hate that with mine.
It's from "The Die Is Cast" episode 21 from season 3. It's a great episode and one of the few episodes in which Garak & Odo interact.; It's a shame they didn't write more scenes with them together, because you can tell there is chemistry between Rene & Andrew.But I guess they wanted to focus on Odo's feelings for major Kira and the constant vigilance he keeps over Quarks dealings, while Garak was a recurring character and had less screen time so they focused on his interactions with Dr. Bashir.
This is the difference between Garek and Dukat. If this was Dukat, he would of asked for forgiveness from Odo where Garek knew that he would not of been forgiven because he asked, he would of had to have earned it. It give Garek a bit more nobility and makes him more redeemable than Dukat.
I think more likely Dukat would have justified it to himself and insisted he was doing the right thing. He would say that his actions were unfortunate, but necessary. That's the thing; Dukat is a villain who's convinced himself he's noble. And, at least in these clips, Garak's a good man who wants to believe he's evil.
I'm guessing there was probably a time when doing something like this wouldn't have bothered Garak. Interesting to see his humanity manifest itself in such an ironic situation.
it was either garak or the other cardasian that interigated him.. when garak knew the other guy would do it ober tain his father said you do it or him.. garak knew if the other guy did it hed probaly kill him
so he did it and did it in a way that would show he was doing it but stoped as soon as he could.. garak loved his former job but made friends hes helped ds9 on ocasionas i would trust him
Does Garak feel bad for hurting Odo? Of COURSE. Will he let that emotion slow or stop his course of action in ANY way? Of COURSE NOT. Likely, by taking the lead in Odo's hands on interrogation he prevented him being turned over to a more vicious, base interrogator who would have rendered Odo to shreds for the sheer joy of it regardlesss of value of any information obtained while he was under duress.
I wish this series was still going, It was so well written! If only it could be rebooted, and keep the same feel, I would be very happy. Oh, and Garak and Odo are the best!
I wish people would stop trying to fit each alien race with a certian country, the fact of the matter is its always going to insult someone and its a wast of time. The whole point in starfleet is that race is no longer important, just goes to show how closed minded some people can be.
Garak is my absolute favorite character from DS9. I was surprised by his interrogation of Odo. I know it has been a long time since he conducted an interrogation but he seems to have lost the stomach for it. Nevertheless, he's amazing. The mystery. The intrigue. The charm. It doesn't get any better.
Funny I thought they were more representative of the Native Americans or Jews. An occupied people with a very different culture and religious belief and who face total annihilation. I'm sure you could apply that to any occupied people.
You can draw parallels between science fiction and any other point. I think the Bajorans are more like the Iraqis. their resource rich land was attacked and occupied under false pretenses. The Germans didn't attack poland for coal.
Star Trek, especially DS9, it's almost as if the whole Sci-Fi part is completely secondary. They create a universe, but the stories that happen within it are what people love, not the funny costumes and laser beams.
@arcanaus you've never watched DS9? boy you're in for a treat! i actually think this series was way better and more fascinating than all the others, simply because there were so many different characters and missions that didnt have to occur on one starship; i sure hated when it ended
This clip shows that Garak is as complicated and conflicted a character as Dukat. Both have light and dark sides. This clip shows Garak's very dark and sinister side.
In response to drifter6276: It certainly says something about the general mentality of the population when our iconic American "hero" could take a lesson in humanity from a pseudo-villainous Cardassian.
:( You can see Odo start getting defensive when he retreats into the corner to yell at Garak. He's moving away from the "danger" and standing by the bucket.
As much as i think DS9 is the best bit of TV ever, they often missed out little factors like that. Garak is the man though. I met Robinson in Cardiff once, what a lovely, genuine bloke.
love the garak clip. any chance you could load up the scenes where he interacts with Enabran Tain, especially the part at the end of this episode where Garak goes back to the bridge to get Tain?
Odo is a weird fucker, I don't understand how he doesn't want to be part of the link - that ocean on his planet, its weird how he just walks around like a human without real need to go back to his homeland.
As to why Garak was exiled... I know the Star Trek novels aren't considered "canon" by the true TrekGeeks, but seeing as the actor wrote "A Stitch in Time" about his own character and it passed muster with the franchise (which made him leave out his speculation that Garak is bisexual), he *also* thought that the exile had to ultimately be about more than him having let the street kids go and the transport go (which evidently someone else ordered be blown up anyway) (continued in next comment).
(continued from my previous comment) He posits Garak killing someone powerful. Only Enabran Tain is powerful enough to intervene and have his death sentence commuted to exile. I'd outline the whole complex story--but it's much better if you read it for yourself! (Many cheap copies available on Amazon.) If you like Garak at all, I highly recommend reading Andrew J. Robinson's fascinating speculations about him.
to add on to why garak was exiled... at the end of the episode where he mentioned freeing the Bajorans (The Wire) Dr Bashir asked which of all the stories he told are true. Garak simply said, "they're all true". I think if you put them all together and read between the lines... the answer is there. But who's to ever know for sure. Still, one of the best characters ever created for the franchise.
What we have heard from Garak is that he freed some bajorans in the ocupation or that betrayaled the head of the Obsidian Order named Enabran Tain, who is later discovered to also be Garak's resentful biological father, but knowing Garak you can't realy on what he has told us, so I wno't put much faith in that.
thanks for the reply but i would think that is only a minor thing for Garak considering he was once so powerful member of the order i think he tryed to gain even more power and failed and thats why he was sent in to exile i think garak is to careful and clever, powerful to fail from grace becase he freed some bajorans their is somthing more
Personally I think he was exiled because he was the son of Tain. As the biological son of the head of the Obsidian Order, and given the impossible to understate Cardassian love of family, Garak was a political liability. For evidence one need only look at Gul Dukat's daughter Ziyal, and the fact that he was disgraced merely by revealing her existence.
great follow-up to the episode 'Defiant' where it was discovered the Cardassians and Romulans were building an invasion fleet to go into the Gamma Quadrant and attck the Dominion
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I think Odo's the only changeling effected by not being able to revert to a liquid every 16 hours. After all, the female changeling couldn't revert to any other state for quite a while some time later from this episode. And she didn't look half as bad as Odo does. Though, her cropped form was the result of something else than what Odo is suffering from right now.
LaoMinga 11 months ago
just one question why didnt odo punch garrak and switch the device off himself?
sword4005 11 months ago
I find it very interesting that Garak clearly wants to stop, but he pushes on, like that part of his Cardasian nature won't let him avoid torturing a subject.
brie015 1 year ago
One really stupid episode,Why didn't Odo just turn off or smash the statis field generator sitting on the table.
buckshot339 1 year ago
@buckshot339
maybe there is a security system against unauthorized deactivation and maybe it is also built safe against smashing it. ;) There will always be an answer to some questions in sci-fi-logic. but i have to admit, it is a good question after all. :)
schnubbel76 1 year ago
@buckshot339 Garak's a trained spy. Odo pretty much relies on his shapeshifting abilities. Without them, pretty sure Garak could have beaten Odo easily, and Odo knows it.
ZKY2 1 year ago
i love it when Odo sais he wants to go home, He tried to ignore and forget, but he cant, they are his people. makes me want to cry :'(
such Fantastic acting from both of them :O
alexbaxthedarkside 1 year ago 3
you need to learn how to upload things properly, other than that, cool
TheLydianRocks 1 year ago
Btw, what was the title of this episode, i would love to watch it in its entirety.
musiclvr1able 1 year ago
@musiclvr1able "The Die is Cast"
Tune4you 1 year ago
@Tune4you thnx a bunch!
musiclvr1able 1 year ago
What I really liked about Star Trek is that scenes like this were like seeing a live play. The actors had real stage presence.
Amar7605 1 year ago 9
Please sort out the sound. Great clips, the best, but the sound delay is horrific!
daehllaw 2 years ago 3
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DestinedJedi87 2 years ago
@DestinedJedi87 For what? These are clips, not full eps. Unless I'm wrong, doesn't that fall somewhere under "fair use"?
Imacuser223 1 year ago
@DestinedJedi87 Y? r u gay??
bigabs18281 1 year ago
This is so funny the voices are delayed to the person speaking.
CardassianWarFront 2 years ago
is it SO had, to syncronis the Vid and the Voice?
Tirze 2 years ago
Odo!!!! TALK TO ME!!! TELL ME ANYTHING!!! i love that part!!
LTDANMAN44 2 years ago 6
that's the thing about those video copying tools for copying vids, they timing is always off from the actual vid and the audio. i hate that with mine.
thebuckrogers22 2 years ago
Which episode is this from?
cooldude333 2 years ago
It's from "The Die Is Cast" episode 21 from season 3. It's a great episode and one of the few episodes in which Garak & Odo interact.; It's a shame they didn't write more scenes with them together, because you can tell there is chemistry between Rene & Andrew.But I guess they wanted to focus on Odo's feelings for major Kira and the constant vigilance he keeps over Quarks dealings, while Garak was a recurring character and had less screen time so they focused on his interactions with Dr. Bashir.
Shadowboro 2 years ago 4
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what episode is this from?
Soullinkia 2 years ago
What happened to the clip? The sound and video is completely off.
Lamporre 2 years ago 4
Odo? garak looked like the one that was dieing from the inside out
SporeSquire 2 years ago 11
That was a very good show, as Odo was in effect dying from the inside out. Very convincing, as well.
dave929 2 years ago
This is the difference between Garek and Dukat. If this was Dukat, he would of asked for forgiveness from Odo where Garek knew that he would not of been forgiven because he asked, he would of had to have earned it. It give Garek a bit more nobility and makes him more redeemable than Dukat.
EvolutionStratus 2 years ago 5
I think more likely Dukat would have justified it to himself and insisted he was doing the right thing. He would say that his actions were unfortunate, but necessary. That's the thing; Dukat is a villain who's convinced himself he's noble. And, at least in these clips, Garak's a good man who wants to believe he's evil.
MurasakiYugata 2 years ago 5
I'm guessing there was probably a time when doing something like this wouldn't have bothered Garak. Interesting to see his humanity manifest itself in such an ironic situation.
MurasakiYugata 2 years ago 4
it was either garak or the other cardasian that interigated him.. when garak knew the other guy would do it ober tain his father said you do it or him.. garak knew if the other guy did it hed probaly kill him
so he did it and did it in a way that would show he was doing it but stoped as soon as he could.. garak loved his former job but made friends hes helped ds9 on ocasionas i would trust him
IRONMAIDENFAN2006 3 years ago
Odo's fiending for heroin
saanichprince 3 years ago
i think garak feels bad for hurting odo..what do you guys think???
LTDANMAN44 3 years ago 4
Does Garak feel bad for hurting Odo? Of COURSE. Will he let that emotion slow or stop his course of action in ANY way? Of COURSE NOT. Likely, by taking the lead in Odo's hands on interrogation he prevented him being turned over to a more vicious, base interrogator who would have rendered Odo to shreds for the sheer joy of it regardlesss of value of any information obtained while he was under duress.
ContraRich77 2 years ago
O_O garek is still my favorite
LTDANMAN44 2 years ago 3
odo! talk to me!
LTDANMAN44 3 years ago 2
excellent
kaidi84 3 years ago
I wish this series was still going, It was so well written! If only it could be rebooted, and keep the same feel, I would be very happy. Oh, and Garak and Odo are the best!
Tapeworm121 3 years ago 3
i haven't seen the whole DS9 yet... Whose agent is Garak anyway? Who is he working for?
ucemujeproblem 3 years ago
The Obsidian Order, a secret black ops group for the Cardassians.
Energyone 3 years ago 2
I wish people would stop trying to fit each alien race with a certian country, the fact of the matter is its always going to insult someone and its a wast of time. The whole point in starfleet is that race is no longer important, just goes to show how closed minded some people can be.
angelaANDmarilyn 3 years ago 2
no be mean to Odo!
carbilicon 3 years ago
you forgot the best scene at the end where odo asks garak to breakfast!!!
LTDANMAN44 3 years ago 3
Garak is my absolute favorite character from DS9. I was surprised by his interrogation of Odo. I know it has been a long time since he conducted an interrogation but he seems to have lost the stomach for it. Nevertheless, he's amazing. The mystery. The intrigue. The charm. It doesn't get any better.
catherinelee530 3 years ago 3
the bajorans are the french
keith6332 3 years ago
Funny I thought they were more representative of the Native Americans or Jews. An occupied people with a very different culture and religious belief and who face total annihilation. I'm sure you could apply that to any occupied people.
That's the great thing about science fiction
Gargazok 3 years ago
star trek was such an intelligent show. too bad it lost its charm.
mkabbz 3 years ago
The Cardassians are Germans
The Bajorans are Poles
The Kingons are Soviet Russians
The Ferengi are Jews
The Romulans are based on ancient Rome
I red about it=)
vibiusunitis 3 years ago
Where, what was your source?
You can draw parallels between science fiction and any other point. I think the Bajorans are more like the Iraqis. their resource rich land was attacked and occupied under false pretenses. The Germans didn't attack poland for coal.
Gargazok 3 years ago
omg...this is star trek? I can't believe how...powerful sci-fi could be. I'll have to check out the rest of this series.
arcanaus 3 years ago 21
I know right? Glad you liked it!
Star Trek, especially DS9, it's almost as if the whole Sci-Fi part is completely secondary. They create a universe, but the stories that happen within it are what people love, not the funny costumes and laser beams.
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superyounan1 3 years ago 10
@arcanaus you've never watched DS9? boy you're in for a treat! i actually think this series was way better and more fascinating than all the others, simply because there were so many different characters and missions that didnt have to occur on one starship; i sure hated when it ended
musiclvr1able 1 year ago
@arcanaus DS9 is my fav of all the new Star Trek series.
onepcwhiz 1 year ago 2
@onepcwhiz Agreed
mutanix 1 year ago
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"The Bajorans are European Jews2, I knew there was a reason I never liked them.
joelang1699 3 years ago
i always thought the klingons as russians
hicksmcb 3 years ago
Hm I tught that scandinavians were romulans,vulcans were USA,ferengi the brittish(joke),bejoran not sure
Flohaug81 3 years ago
This clip shows that Garak is as complicated and conflicted a character as Dukat. Both have light and dark sides. This clip shows Garak's very dark and sinister side.
nicklebackfan 3 years ago 4
Jack Bauer would have got that out of him much easier.
drifter6276 3 years ago
In response to drifter6276: It certainly says something about the general mentality of the population when our iconic American "hero" could take a lesson in humanity from a pseudo-villainous Cardassian.
MurasakiYugata 2 years ago
One thing I like about this is how it's breaking Garak at the same time to do it.
Arahmynta 3 years ago 6
Yes...the way he is by the end of it shows that well enough, that he honestly is not enjoying doing it.
ladyrilwen 3 years ago 4
:( You can see Odo start getting defensive when he retreats into the corner to yell at Garak. He's moving away from the "danger" and standing by the bucket.
Arahmynta 3 years ago 3
A great exchange amongst two outstanding character actors. Andy and Renee knock this one out of the park.
Transcends 3 years ago 5
he should just walk over and kick that device off that table then turn into a razorback and chew Garak's face off. I love Grak though.
hicksmcb 3 years ago 4
Its probly just a psychological device. They probably have a stasis field around that whole entire room :)
capitalmindz 3 years ago
As much as i think DS9 is the best bit of TV ever, they often missed out little factors like that. Garak is the man though. I met Robinson in Cardiff once, what a lovely, genuine bloke.
hicksmcb 3 years ago
in the very last episode, ODO does leave kiera, and joins up with the link, in order too cure his 'people.'
dax01019 3 years ago 2
love the garak clip. any chance you could load up the scenes where he interacts with Enabran Tain, especially the part at the end of this episode where Garak goes back to the bridge to get Tain?
nexos10 3 years ago 2
Garak always makes me smile.
ocelotrevs 3 years ago 6
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Garak should have been killed for that!
warblerab 3 years ago
Odo is a weird fucker, I don't understand how he doesn't want to be part of the link - that ocean on his planet, its weird how he just walks around like a human without real need to go back to his homeland.
sourmanofcoal 3 years ago
He didn't want to leave Major Kira, without her, I'm sure that he would have joined the link.
The Female Changeling noted this when they linked on DS9.
ocelotrevs 3 years ago
haven't seen this episode - thanks for sharing!
VulcanDax 3 years ago
odo can really bring that sentences one a sarcastic way :P
rosenrotNL 3 years ago 4
As to why Garak was exiled... I know the Star Trek novels aren't considered "canon" by the true TrekGeeks, but seeing as the actor wrote "A Stitch in Time" about his own character and it passed muster with the franchise (which made him leave out his speculation that Garak is bisexual), he *also* thought that the exile had to ultimately be about more than him having let the street kids go and the transport go (which evidently someone else ordered be blown up anyway) (continued in next comment).
multiplepov 3 years ago 6
(continued from my previous comment) He posits Garak killing someone powerful. Only Enabran Tain is powerful enough to intervene and have his death sentence commuted to exile. I'd outline the whole complex story--but it's much better if you read it for yourself! (Many cheap copies available on Amazon.) If you like Garak at all, I highly recommend reading Andrew J. Robinson's fascinating speculations about him.
multiplepov 3 years ago 2
to add on to why garak was exiled... at the end of the episode where he mentioned freeing the Bajorans (The Wire) Dr Bashir asked which of all the stories he told are true. Garak simply said, "they're all true". I think if you put them all together and read between the lines... the answer is there. But who's to ever know for sure. Still, one of the best characters ever created for the franchise.
jayzwolf 3 years ago 3
It kinda reminds me of the TDK Joker, the way he tells a different story each time.
Joker's is how he got the scars, Garak's is why he's an exile.
ladyrilwen 3 years ago
i would love to know the reason why garek was sent in exile does anyone know
ducksoup2006 4 years ago
What we have heard from Garak is that he freed some bajorans in the ocupation or that betrayaled the head of the Obsidian Order named Enabran Tain, who is later discovered to also be Garak's resentful biological father, but knowing Garak you can't realy on what he has told us, so I wno't put much faith in that.
sch4tj3 4 years ago
thanks for the reply but i would think that is only a minor thing for Garak considering he was once so powerful member of the order i think he tryed to gain even more power and failed and thats why he was sent in to exile i think garak is to careful and clever, powerful to fail from grace becase he freed some bajorans their is somthing more
ducksoup2006 4 years ago
I totally agree!
sch4tj3 4 years ago
Although the power grabbing fits him there is also a part that he seems loyal to his father.
rajde 4 years ago
maybe he's so loyal now because he feel guilty of betraying his father
sch4tj3 4 years ago
Personally I think he was exiled because he was the son of Tain. As the biological son of the head of the Obsidian Order, and given the impossible to understate Cardassian love of family, Garak was a political liability. For evidence one need only look at Gul Dukat's daughter Ziyal, and the fact that he was disgraced merely by revealing her existence.
azrac12 4 years ago 3
Yes, Cardassians are brutal people.
sourmanofcoal 3 years ago 2
but wold you rather be capturedby cadasiens or klinghorns
persolnly id say cdasiens
sorry for spellings im 10 :P
trimi38 3 years ago
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The Cardassians are Germans
The Bajorans are European Jews
The Kingons are South/West Africans
The Ferengi are Ethiopian Jews (Ferengi also being a word meaning crazy foreigner in Amharic - Ethiopian language)
The Romulans are Japanese
The Vulcans are Chinese
capitalmindz 3 years ago
How did you come up with that?
teddybears1232001 3 years ago
Andrew Robinson and Rene Auberjonois were the two best actors in all of Star Trek.
PC3900 4 years ago 6
They're right up there, yes...although I wouldn't jump right to "best". I was kind of fond of Q, personally.
landofashes 4 years ago
This was a real turning point for Garak, he realized that he was no longer the person he was before.
Oddly enough this seemed to bring Odo and Garak a bit closer.
TheMMOplayer 4 years ago 26
wow, Garak seemed legitimately upset by the torture. Good scene all around
Eparabola 4 years ago 25
great follow-up to the episode 'Defiant' where it was discovered the Cardassians and Romulans were building an invasion fleet to go into the Gamma Quadrant and attck the Dominion
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