You tell him he's fat. I'll watch what happens to you afterward.
And I'll even call 911 for you. Not that they'd need an ambulance. But I'll be sure to have them send the coroner. To take your dead ass to the morgue after he hits you one time. With a jab, too. Not even an uppercut. lol.
It's funny how you call him fat, of course he's gonna get out of shape you fucking moron. He's been training all his life, he deserves a rest. Plus he'd still destroy you! People these days, man. You need to realise how pathetic you sound insulting this man.
yeah, Tyson looks like he doesn't want all that attention...
I grew up watching mike tyson and I have yet to see a fighter with that much fury in the ring. Tyson not only beat you down, but mentally broke their spirit...
Mike will always be a fighting icon ... Regardless of the ugly end to his career the man was the greatest EVER at one point.... A young Mike Tyson was the best pure fighter I've ever seen....
@MrBumboclart Probably. But is he lying? No need to get emotional. We all love Iron Mike and he looks good today. But here? He's a fat fuck, no doubt about it.
im pretty sure Tyson is a pretty private person and isn't really a fan of all the attention. imagine how annoying it would be to walk around everywhere with flashes going off in your face, constantly surrounded by people he doesnt know asking for things... i actually feel sorry for the guy. he definately was one of the greatest boxers to ever live and will go down in history. an awesome legacy. much respect for Mike Tyson.
The man can't go anywhere without people being all over him. He was a great boxer in his prime. I don't know of any heavyweight past or present that had his hand speed, agility, allusiveness, and power. Nobody worked harder than Tyson in his prime. Watch some of his training videos, the man was a beast in the gym.
you say he went from the baddest to the fattest? my nigga iron mike looks like he can hop in the ring rite now and destroy marquez and pacquaio at the same time....still the best of all time
@foeasy16 That's why they have different weight divisions. Duh. And looks can be deceiving; even Mike will tell you that being over 40 and overfat is no advantage.
Mike Tyson would knock that smirk off of Cassius Clay or Muhammad Ali's face (he changed his name cause he was to pussy to go into the army and then converted to muslim all to not go to the army). Bar None he was the greatest fighter to ever live. Foreman and Lewis were to slow. Ali and Holmes were great boxer but style wise Tyson was exactly what they had trouble with. Frazier would've been the closest fight cause of his heart and never back down style but Tyson was just too quick and powerful.
i think tyson's life begun to become miserable when his file a divorce against him. maybe thats the reason why. for me his the greatest fighter that ever live.
@MegaElmo23 cause he listened to his trainer. not many heavyweights, or in any weight class do exactly what their trainer tells them. other than Pacquiao lol
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Mike Tyson the greatest fighter who ever lived? What absolute nonsense. A prime George Foreman would have demolished him exactly as he did Frazier and Ali would have run rings around him and probably made him quit. Tyson was a bully with no guts when the going got tough. Easily the most overrated fighter of all time.
If you go from say, 170-180lbs to 200-220+lbs with weight training and eating a lot, and then you sit on your ass for 3 years, you are still going to weigh 200 something pounds. But your chest is going to sag and you will look like shit. Muscle mass does not evaporate and dissapear; it degrades and turns into bulk mass (fat, water retention). Look at Arnold and other former bodybuilders who have been out of the gym in years...they are still large, but they look like shit.
@beamoflaser that's not entirely true. Muscle is made of strands of sinew, red and white. The red is very active muscle, while the white is very fatty. Red that becomes unused turns into white, getting fatty in the process. Not the same fat as a couch asshole, but fatty nonetheless.
@Dalittheuntouchable Sounds like bullshit to me. When you don't use your musle they deteriorate, they certainly don't turn into fat, not the red, nor the white fiber.
Offcourse, if you eat the same as you did with the extra musle, you will become fat. Musle uses calories you see, and without them the extra calories turn into fat.
@TheChosenOne5995 you cant turn muscle into fat. there two DIFFERENT compounds. u can put on more fat than muscle, excessive fat hides your muscles and makes u look like that. but you can NEVER turn fat into muscle. thats like saying turn skin into bone u nob
he had trouble with swarmers (infighters), and Holmes and Ali would get knocked out because Tyson would work his way inside and make it uncomfortable for them to punch and knock them out. Mike Tyson is the greatest fighter to ever live and he would beat anyone in his prime and that's a fact. Michael Gerard Tyson, the greatest fighter who ever lived.
@nconroy24 - Holmes got up from being knocked down by one of the hardest punchers in heavyweight history - Earnie Shavers. And Ali was too clever, had the best heavyweight chin ever, had great stamina, and just had "It." You can never leave out the It Factor.
and any other boxer from an early time because there skills were just primitive (most of them excluding Jack Johnson, Ali, Frazier, Joe Louis, and Larry Holmes) And these guys just wouldn't be able to beat Tyson, Frazier would get dominated at his own game, Johnson wouldn't be able to deflect the powerful punches of Tyson and Johnson wasn't quick enough for Tyson, Joe Louis wouldn't be able to use his brains in this fight because Tyson would be coming at him from the get go and it is well known
Tyson would fuck up any other boxer ever and I like how everyone points out his losses but everyone thinks Muhammad Ali was undefeateded and forget that he lost to Joe Frazier when they were both undefeated and in there prime. Mike Tyson is the greatest fighter to ever step foot on the planet, and if you got a problem with that why don't you say it to his face "tough guy".
Don't feel bad for him, he is in a good place. He is in peace with himself, has a great family and the only people that make him depressed are the ones asking him to come out of retirment because they believe he is a boxing God.
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Facts 1. tyson is a rapist 2. tyson is mentally disturbed 3. tyson is a cannibal (half didn't swallow) 4. he was a great fighter better than anyone around today.
Tyson fans remind me of Michael Jackson fans sitting outside the court house shouting "WE LOVE YOU MICHAEL...YOU'RE INNOCENT"
lol..deluded and clueless. Mike Tyson beat no great fighters in their prime. his record is full of bums and he got owned in just about every real battle he was in.
Tyson was more a b class fighter than a true great
Tyson beat all of the top fighters around on his way to being the youngest and first heavy weight to unify all three belts. Not, Holiyfield not lewis. Mike was a 19 yr old kid beating down gold medalists and heavyweights who had the belt(s). Not his fault he did it so viciously. And none of the fighters you named beat Tyson at his best. Get over it, you have to call Tyson a great fighter. All you do is try to focus on the negatives in Mikes life. You can't ignore his GREAT accomplishments!!
@CRUClO you are right man, people get blinded by youtube compilation clips of tyson's easy fight. fighters aren't judged on how hard they hit or how fast they are but what they do when their backs are to the ropes and have to dig deep. This is where Tyson failed, he was just a bully who crumbled when his victim fought back
Yeah, he was a bully. A bully who at the age of 21 had all three belts. So, no one here is blinded by any youtube video clips. At his best, no one could touch him. The greatest, hardly, but great and one of the most feared, you dam skippy. Just a great fighter who shined at a young age and fizzled out for many reasons. Boxers peak at different times, too bad for Tyson it was at a young age. You can't talk about great heavyweights without mentioning Mike. Tyson boxing GREAT!!
Tyson only lost 6 times in his career. 3 of those losses were to legendary heavyweights (holyfield twice, and lewis). the other three were fuck ups on his part (overconfidence in the douglass fight, broken knee in the williams fight, and lack of heart in the mcbride fight). I love how ppl are quick to point out these 6 losses in mike's career but conveniently forget the other 50 heavyweights whom Tyson dominated and destroyed.
90 of Tyson's 50 odd victories were against bums who didn't fight back. FACT eveytime Tyson was properly challenged in the ring he lost. not once did he get off the floor to win. not once did he avenge any of his losses and as far as I am concerned never shown guts. True greats don't sit on their ass and quite
WTF? You can hate tyson for the supposed rape that he commited, but you can't say that he wasn't a great boxer. Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, and even Evander fuckin Holyfield all hold Tyson in very high regards. George Foreman even listed Tyson as the 7th greatest heavyweight of all time in his personal list. I'm sure that these aforementioned four gentlemen know alot more about boxing than you do.
@slamin45 Homo.... Holmes was an old man who had not fought for three years when Tyson beat him. Spinks was a light heavyweight and Berbick, Bruno and savareese were bums....and so was buster Douglas who owned Tyson in his prime.
thats BS, even when holmes lost to tyson he was able to give holyfield a run for his money (some thought he beat holyfield) and spank ray mercer, so then at least you can say holmes was more in his prime when he fought tyson than when he fought holy & ray, all the other bums you mentioned apart from douglas gave lennox and holyfield all they could handle, so whats your point?, cuz mine is tyson is a legend, fought the best, and in his prime will whoop any heavyweight.
and spinks came fron light heavy weight and was able to whoop cooney and holmes (fighters that are much bigger than tyson) and now all of a sudden he was too small? and we all know the controversy in the douglas fight, tyson was not in his prime when he fought douglas,and you know it too.
@CRUClO if u actaully watched the tyson dougglas fight u could tell tyson hadnt trained nor was fight his normal peekaboo style. tyson wasnt movin his head not delivering many body shots to wear douglas down nor was he hooking up any of his notorious combinations so obviously that fight doesnt speak of the talent of rome tyson therefore u cannot say thats a prime tyson. and evryone underrates tysons opponents so fuck you.
@jak1anorue I watched the Tyson Vs Douglas fight live...unlike you who wasn't even born. (typical Tyson fans to young to have lived though his era)
Tyson weighed in at his usual weight of 220lbs. Boasted before the fight what great shape he was in. Got owned from the opening bell. Tyson never moved his head or used his jab past the sixth round.
Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Frasier and Foreman would have killed the very average Tyson in his prime.
@jak1anorue No fuck you...you stupid little kid. If Tyson didn't train for the Douglas fight then who's fault is that? he was defending the heavyweight championship of the world, if he couldn't stay focused then that marks him down as a fighter. Tyson got owned by Douglas in his prime. once you except that then the better your life will be
@crucio Pre-Don King. The baddest MF to put on a pair of gloves! You can make a case against him as to the greatest of all time, but you can't deny his accomplishments. No one wanted to fight him at his best, not lewis, not holyfield. He beat all top contenders and did it visciously! Not just journymen, but olympic gold medalists, and heavy weight champs. He did all this at the age of 20. Mike Tyson..heavy weight GREAT!!
@jak1anorue Here's some facts for you.Tyson didn't want to fight Lewis at his best, he paid Lewis 4 million dollars step aside money so he could fight Bruce Seldon instead.FACT.
When Tyson was champ Holyfield was a Cruiserweight and Lewis like 10 and 0, years away from a title shot.FACT. Tyson beat no great fighters in their prime and lost every real war he was in.FACT. Tyson was the youngest man to lose the title at 23 FACT.
@ManlnCognito No no, tyson was NOT at his best in 96, he got of jail in 95 and it wasnt the same tyson that we saw when he fought bruce sheldon: FACT (the point is his fighting style changed for the worse, by 96 he was alot less elusive but a bit stronger, which being elusive is better
By 1988-89, Holyfield was wbc heavyweight champ (another wbc title than wat tyson had at the time) and yet he didnt wanna fight mike so then there was the tyson spinks fight: FACT
@jak1anorue Holyfield was not the wbc champion in 88-89 Tyson was. How do you Holyfeild never wanted to fight Tyson. unlike you I was actually around in 88-89 and I remember Holyfeild calling Tyson out.
@ManlnCognito holyfield had another type of wbc championship or something, not as much recognized as the legit wbc champ belt. but no the only fighter that tyson would have had real trouble with was big george only becoz of how strong foreman was defensively and how strong goerge was with his punchesin the inside, so don king wanted to keep tyson away from george foreman in the 80's, no one else. the tyson holyfield fight didnt happen coz holyfield wasnt skilled enof for a prime tyson, period
@jak1anorue You really don't know anything about boxing to you?
Tyson won the WBC belt from Berbick and Lost it to Douglas who lost it to Holyfield. The only other WBC title Holyfield held prior to his fight with Douglas was the WBC cruiserweight Belt.
Tyson and his people paid Lewis 4 million dollars stand aside money so that tells me Tyson was avoiding Lennox Lewis
@ManlnCognito holyfield had the WBC Continental Americas
Heavyweight title in i think 89, he no longer had the cruiserweight title becoz he was fighting in the heavywieght in which he dropped in 90 when he beat douglas! I believe u need to get u facts straight! and by 96' tyson was nothing like he was in his prime, where he really coulda fought anybody as long as he was just focused on boxing and not outside interference etc.
@jak1anorue In his prime he was annihilated by James Buster Douglas...a Journeyman with a suspect chin.Tyson was just 23 years old AND IN HIS PRIME. If Douglass could beat a young Tyson so convincingly then Holyfield and Lewis surely could.
And what the fuck is the "WBC continental title"? What relevance is that worthless strap to this discussion?
What is it with you Tyson nutthuggers? the guy had so many floors it's laughable.
@ManlnCognito lets not be stupid!!! even though tyson may have bin in physical shape for that fight, but he hardly trained for this fight, in fact, he only trained like one day while over in tokyo and he got dropped by his sparring parnter. at the fight his corner didnt even have an endswell, and the style that tyson fought was nothing like how he won all his kos before, no head movement no combos, no deidication to the sport of boxing
@ManlnCognito, listen, since i guess ur too stupid to realize this but tyson WITHOUT his elusize offensive attack where focused and well trained and tuned for each individual opponenet, to where he know how to properly break them down and find opening to deliver a brutal combination that will leave his opponent wondering how he did that tyson is nothing special yes, but with it, he is indeed world class
@ManlnCognito so wat im saying is that tyson was infact not the heavyweight champ because he wasnt matured mentally and didnt repspect boxing enough, but had he bin mentally matured and under the proper guidance of a trainer like d'amato, teddy atlas, or rooney, tyson could very well have bin the best and to me he is the best prime figther because no one could ever contest tyson trademark elusive, peekaboo style, no one.
@ManlnCognito and lastly, like i said uve just avoided my facts when i told you about holyfields other wbc title belt becoz YOU dont know ur shit! also you avoided wat i said about lewis, see wat uve done is avoid everything that goes against what ur saying and try to keep coming up NEW with things to bash tyson with. im NO tysonlover but i do appreciate the type of fighting that helped elavate the game in the 80s-90s becoz such fighting has never bin seen before, ever.
@jak1anorue How do you know that Tyson didn't train for the Douglas fight? You are just some dumb 20 year old kid blinded by youTube compilation videos of Tyson easy fights. you weren't even around when Tyson was his peak. I was I've watched Tyson fight live..I doubt you've even laced up a pair of gloves.
I haven't avoided any of your so call "points" I've just ignored your ignorance.
@ManlnCognito my point is that even though tyson as a whole is definitely NOT the greatest, he does belong in the top, & hes ranked 16th evr by ring magazine for a reason. you know why?? Tyson's PRIME fighting style was sooo quick and so accurate & combined head and bodymovemtnt with punches that were thrown in combo. this has never bin seen before or after tyson & this fighting style demanded talent out of his opponents like none other, or else theyd be kod in the 1st to 4th rd no problem
@jak1anorue You are ignoring Tyson floors and just seeing his offensive skills. In his so called prime Tyson never once beat great fighter in their prime. he never once won a real war against a truly game opponent. Even with Rooney in his corner he was different fighter after the sixth round, he stopped moving his head, stopped throwing combinations and stopped using his jab. Tyson was a one dimensional fighter with no plan b.
@ManlnCognito oh my god, why are you doing this, youve hardly responded to anything ive said about his skill, you know wat a good defense in boxing is, a good offense you know a good defense is covering up well and slipping ur opponents' punches which was part of tysons offense. razor ruddock was a definitely solid fighter, whom tyson beat twice so obviously you really dont even know that much about tyson
@jak1anorue I have answered every valid point that you have made...it's just that you have not made that many. You choose to ignore the facts that Tyson only ruled for 2 and half years. Never beat any great fighters in their prime. Never won any real battles. never avenged any of his losses and never even beat all the best fighters of his era. Tyson didn't just lose when he was old he lost when he was 23.
You're a clueless idiot who doesn't know shit about boxing
@ManlnCognito ok listen, just like that other guy crucio you MUST have something against tyson. first, i will briefly highlight all that youve avioded. first youve claimed im a stupid kid who prolly hasnt lced up some gloves in my life when ur wrong about that, i dont fight but i paractice all the time. also u said tyson was at his prime when he avoided lewis. you were WRONG
@jak1anorue just because someone doesn't hero worship Tyson like you do and actually looks at his career objectively. doesn't mean they don't like him. It's just that Tyson career doesn't stand up to scrutiny
@ManlnCognito you also said that tyson didnt beat anybody when he beat and olympic champ, heavyweights champs, as well as former champs, and top ranked fighters in the world by ring magazine. youve ignored all that! youve ignored the peekaboo style and dont even realize how effective it was coz u prolly havent even seen that many fights of tyson nor others.
@jak1anorue I watched Tyson career unfold in the late 80's and the heavyweight division sucked. it was worse than it is now. None of the fighters Tyson beat did anything before or after he fought them. Frank Bruno, Tony Tubbs, James smith, Trevor Berbick. These were not great fighters. Tucker and Douglas was good but not great. The only two fighters he fought were Holyfield and Lewis and they both stopped him.
@CRUClO It's always the same; guys in their late teens and early 20's. Blinded by compilation clips of Tyson's easy fights and his outrageous behaviour. It sad that a convicted rapist can be hero worshipped by a generation.
@ManlnCognito really, you just avoided evrything I said, you know what if we just wrote down all the facts of course we could see that tyson wasnt the greatest, but all your scrutiny is bullshit, no matter what i said, youd bring it down to your own opinionated view. so just becoz ur guys are what 40, you think u know so much, when hvywt greats like ali & holmes agree with ME, in that tysons skill in his prime far exceeded anyone in his generation, thus placing him as 1 of the greats
@ManlnCognito ur such full of shit, obviously you didnt take any of my valid, points; i know tyson was shit in the late nineties to 2000s, all i said was his talent far exceeded wat any hvywght boxer had in his PRIME. i know tyson wasnt the best so stop repeating ur ignorant bullshit!! you obviously dont know crap about the physical and mental shape and talent you have to work,s weat and bleed for tot box professionally, even if u end up being a bum..
@ManlnCognito donavan razor ruddock, was considered one of the most dangerous fighters at the time tyson fought em in 90, tyson beat him twice! berbick beat an aging ali; tyson destroyed berbick, spinks stole the title from holmes, spinks was built like holyfield; tyson destroyed spinks. ur such an ignorant shit, i dont blindly worship him; i told u ive seen all of his fights, including his losses, i never said tyson was the best ever
@ManlnCognito my whole point about tyson was his fighting style that he utilized in his prime. tyson being in shape has nothing to do with him being in his prime but of course u didnt know that. a boxer who is in his prime is able to be DEDICATED TO HIS OFFENSIVE ATTACK AND DEFENSE!!! of course they also do adapt that style to each different opponent.
@jak1anorue So if a fighter is not in his prime at 23 when is he? I watched all Tyson fights in the 80's. I watched him struggle against journeymen like Mitch Green, Henry Tillman, James Smith.
You're a fucking idiot Tyson nutthugger, who probably jacks off over the rapist second rate bum. I wish you aids and a shit load of cancer. If you have kids I hope they die to.
@ManlnCognito thank you for clarifying that you are obviously an ignorant 40 yr old british pevert. you know wat you disgust me, uve really got something against tyson its obvious. dont give me that shit that tyson was STRUGGLING against boncrusher smith and green, tyson just continued to work them the whole fight and won EASILY BY DESICION. thats not struggling at all but since u dont know shit about boxing i guess u expected him to HAVE to win by ko or tko early on.
@jak1anorue Yes I've got allot against Tyson, he was a rapist and a coward. He dragged the sport of boxing through the mud...I have proved you wrong about him time and time and time again. You American scum. I hate you and your fucking country. I hope you another 9/11 and this time even more people get killed.
@ManlnCognito hey buddy!? i said if u have nothing to intellegient to say then dont reply,ur SICK & PERVERTED, if u call urself a christian then God have mercy on you becoz ur values are completely distorted. you wish death and etc, and it shows ur true side, you Didnt PROVE anything in this argument. i cant continue to repeat everything u simply IGNORED and i cant describe how IGNORANT you are!
@ManlnCognito you just proved that ur the ignorant one, u hate tyson and the facvt that he was in boxing, so no matter wat i said u woouldnt count it worth shit and thats why u simply ignored everything and resorted to name calling! so u know wat? u just go on and live ur sad ignorant life and pertend that the usa isnt the most powerful country in the world and this it is UK's ally! dumbass! and before u reply read the comment below VVVVVVV
@jak1anorue I ignored everything you said that I felt wasn't relevant. You whined and made excuses for Tyson's faults and losses. But ignored the facts that I gave you...you dumb fucking kid
@ManlnCognito all i did was bring relevnat facts to support the idea that the prime tyson was one talented son of a bitch! nothing else; im not biased like u and accept he didnt fight in the era of the greats, but the fact is this: while tyson may not have foought the heavyweight greats like frazier, ali, liston, etc, these same guys accept tyson as one of the greats regardless becoz unlike u they truly understand pro boxing, and recognize tysons talent, so wat do u have to say to this??
@ManlnCognito the only way im even going to continue to respond to u is u can answer evry single point intelligently, and if u result in simply calling be a stupid kid, even tho i know more facts about this issue than u do, then i wont even respond to ur ignorant replies. so, im going to bring up that holyfield DID have another wbc title in 89, u said i was stupid and WRONG & didnt know shit about boxing, but i am right, what can u say to that??? Just answer that specific point & we can continue
@ManlnCognito obviously you really dont understand boxing like u try to pertend you do, just becoz u dont win by ko or tko doesnt mean u had trouble winning, if u win easily by desicion which tyson did then thats just as solid of a win!. AND TYSON HAD A HAILMARY HARD RIGHT HOOK THAT DROPPED HENRY TILLMAN IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 90'!!! you really dont know ur shit! if ur talking about tyson fighting tillman as an ametuer that doesnt even count as tysons prime!
@ManlnCognito and seriously i hope ur not a christian becoz u sicken me, seriously how dare u say such words in front of God, how dare you. i guess ur wrapped up in ur own pathetic world where u think ur soooo right well ur wrong, face it; in no tyson nuthugger i already explained that, but it is a fact that the greats would agree with my view on tyson as on of the greats beocz of his prime, wat more convincing to ur ignorant self do u need.
@ManlnCognito and let me point out this; u were wrong about tyson not beating a credible opponent, so then u decided to ignore it and try to bring up tillman from tysons ametuer days, but if u actually watched all of tysons fights then ud know that tyson desroyred tillman in the 1st round professionally. do see how ur wrong AGAIN??
@ManlnCognito wen tyson was dedicated 2 his peekaboo style all the way thru he either had an easy ko, or the wole fight his oponent was tryna tie tyson up and showin little ofense coz if he opened up then tyson would deliver a quick sharp ko combo. this is NOT an OPINION, if u actually watched all tysons fights in the 80s then ud see that this is a FACT. in the 90s tyson was justlookin for a quick one hit ko, even tho he still did ko stewart, tillman & ruddock
@CRUClO & mnlncognito, i bet i know more about boxing and the mental struggle it takes to knock a guy out n the ring than both of you. you sit here & criticize people who enjoyed the talent that tyson brought to heavyweight boxing, yet u dont have ur facts straight especially you MANLNCOGNITO how didnt know shit about holyfield and his other wbc title belt and dared to claim that i was stupid and was wrong!
@CRUClO, the guy gmckan33 had a nice long argument with u bringin up almost identical points as i, yet you took his opinion no more than mine and hes like in his 40s so obviously ur the ignorant one!
@ManlnCognito you continue to ignore how little prepared tyson was for the douglas, and claim he was fighting with the same elusive style with the combinations. YOU WERE WRONG! Tyson beat razor ruddock twice which was a more than solid fighter! yuo WERE WRONG! my whole point was about tysons ability of his prime which stretches from 85-90. if you watched the douglas fight thoroughly then you would have seen how much differently he fought.
@jak1anorue How the fuck do you know Tyson wasn't prepared for there Douglas fight? He said at the pre-flight press conference that he was in the best shape of his career and that his new trainer had improved him as a fighter. he weighed in at his normal fighting weight...he was in shape and in his prime and got the beating of his life.
@ManlnCognito of course tyson would say that at his press conference!!! are u that stupid?? fighters always boast about how good they are, lets not be that dumb!! tyson trained like once that week, & he even got dropped by his sparring partner,! the rest of his time in tokyo he was fuckin asian bitches, & im not even kidding! he didnt take the fight srsly at all, he had bin doin drugs more since jim jacobs died, in fact his corner didnt even have an endswell! do u know wat that is?? i bet not
@jak1anorue Again how the fuck do you know Tyson didn't train for the Douglass fight? You wasn't even born. And if he didn't who's fault is that? But none of that is relevant because Douglas was a bum. If Tyson was that good he should have been able to beat Douglas drunk and with his eyes closed..but he didn't he got owned in his PRIME
@ManlnCognito wow that was stupid, just coz u were alive doesnt mean ud know, u didnt know tyson personally, i know that he didnt train coz tyson himself explained everyhting about that fight s and how unmotivated he was, he thought it was just another fight to blow off and win quickly; but since u dont know anything about boxing, let me clarify that in professional boxing if u dont stay dedicated to ur fughting style AND dont train, you will be beaten, thats wat happened to tyson!
@ManlnCognito Did you notice HOW YOU AVIODED BEING COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT HOLYFIELD HAVING ANOTHER WBC TITLE BELT THAN TYSON HAD IN 89??? becoz your the one who doesnt know shit neither do you understand boxing as well as you think! all i said was that tyson was the best prime fighter, not best fighter ever. so u know wat, im not even going to try arguing with ur ignorant ass if u dont read everything i say and accept where ur wrong.
@jak1anorue Holyfield didn't hold any WBC title of relevance in 89. I wasn't wrong I was right. What do you mean by... "Tyson was the best prime fighter?"
Prime Tyson wouldn't have been fit to have carried Ali's spit bucket...you dumb kids think you know it all but you don't know shit.
@ManlnCognito yes holyfield did just fuckin look it up you misinformed prick!! and once again u judge boxers at ur level as a boxing fan, believe me i would much rather trust the greats like ALI, HOLMES, FRAZIER who agree with me but obviously ur simply ignore them even though they know wat it really takes to be a champ and im sure they know a great hvywt champ like tyson when they see one
@jak1anorue You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You yourself have ignored the facts I have given you and accused me of doing the same. difference is you have not given me any facts. You have just given me your opinion which isn't worth shit
@ManlnCognito once again, whay the fuck does your opinion mean compared to boxing anylists and legendary boxers, and even boxing magazines like ring magazine that puts tyson at 16th in the world of heavyweight boxers!! and thats considering his whole career, i think my opinion is worht much more than urs!!
@ManlnCognito and how can you seriously say ive given you my OPINION only, how is saying holyfield had another wbc belt than tyson did in 89 and opinion. thats just one situation where you ur facts were wrong and u IGNORED it!! you continue to claim i dont know shit just coz im 20, when it seems like i know more than you do becoz like i said im not one of those kids whose just watched highlight clips of tyson beating tomato cans
@ManlnCognito well i meant in 1990 and 91, when tyson begun to ABANDON his complete decdication to peekaboo style with the brutal body shots and the finishing blinding KO combos
@ManlnCognito so if u dont even know crap about tyson nor other fighters that weve talked about, im not even going to try to argue with you about the fact that tyson didnt just fight bums, and definitely fought and be fighters in their prime. also, if u actually watch boxing then ud know heavyweight fighters including the ALI slow down but its the short burst of enrgy where they capatalize that counts and a prime tyson still had a alot of stamina and still stayed true to his fighting style
@ManlnCognito lemme just ask you, what heavyweight has ever forced fighters to fight liek tyson has with his pure raw talent, and i mean fight not dance around for 12 rounds just taking jabs and maybe a hook or an uppercut here and there? Just answer that. and heres some food for thought, you claim tysons just and avg fighter, well certain greats like ali, holmes, and maybe the almost as great holyfield hold tyson as one of the greatest heavyweights.
@ManlnCognito dont get my facts skewed ok. my point is there was no way holyfield would beat tyson in the 80s, not even a chance, holyfield left him self open too much. same with lewis, everyone know lennox lewis was a boxing con. he was a tall guy with an ok jab, and he could take a few hits, if he fought a prime mike hed just be a big tree to cut down. You know this is true
@ManlnCognito i know tyson's reign wasnt long enough, neither was his comeback but if tyson hadnt fucked his own boxing career up by abondoning rooney, and forgetting wat teddy atlas and cus d'amato had taught him, he simply reigned for a long long time, and could have arguably beocme the best ever next to ali, but that was not to be and tyson only is the best prime fighter ever.
@jak1anorue It's all coulda would shoulda with you. Tyson's career has to be judged on how it was, not how it should have been if this had happened and that had happened. How do you know Tyson have beat Holyfield and Lewis in the 80's. Did he beat anyone as good as them?..NO he didn't. he struggled with James Smith and Mitch green in his prime...two bums
@ManlnCognito no everyone claims tyson sturggled with fighters that he didnt knock out in the first to fourth round, if tyson wins by deciosn or a ko after the 4th then a win is a win, and for the most partm bonecrusher smith and mitch green were fighting tysons fight allll day. tyson paved the entire fight, and if they actually did wanna show some real offense, tyson would have easily outperformed them and won by a quick ko
You keep saying "pre-Don King" Don King promoted all Tyson's so called glory fights. Right from when he won the title against Berbick to when he came out of prison.
Tyson didn't sign a contract with Don King until '89. Bill Clayton managed Mike until then. You know as well as anyone, after Rooney was fired, Mike wasn't the same fighter becaus he immediately lost the skills that made him great. If you know anything about Tyson's story then you know how Don King tried to split up Mike's camp and why Rooney was really fired. So yeah, Pre Don king, a great fighter.
Mike was under contract with Bill Clayton not Don King. I don't care that he promoted the fight, but he did not manage Mike til '89. Look that up and come back and see me.
@gmckan33 I know full well Tyson's managerial arrangements in 89. but honestly I don't see what difference it makes. if Tyson made bad decisions regarding his personal and financial life then that is his problem and his fault. Ali had don king to contend with as well as two divorces. the American government on his back. but he still tuck care of business in the ring. if Tyson couldnt do that then that marks him down as a fighter
it was more than a managerial arrangement. Don King was responsible for convincing Mike that the white people around him were no good. Ultimately, it was Mikes decisions that did him in, but having all that money at 19, c'mon, he was just a kid. Even as smart as Ali was, he was still swindled by King as well. Remember the lawsuit where Ali wanted millions but he settled out of court for $50,000( or something close to that) Just saying he had bad people around him and was gullible.
Tyson never beat any great fighters, never won any great fights, lost every real war he was in and got owned by a journeyman in his prime. Tyson has to be the most overrated and overhyped fighter of all time
People here are arguing whether Tyson is great or not. History has revealed.... This is a 17 sec clip of Mike in a crowd and its got 173,000 views (at time of this comment). People remember the greats - whether you love him or hate him one things for sure you'll never forget him.
Tyson beat everyone who was considered great for most of his career( Pre Don King) It's not his fault they couldn't handle the beat downs. He had no rivals at that time. I believe as soon as he signed with Don King, he was done. He was a great fighter who never got to see how great he could be. Too sad.
Tyson didn't beat anyone who was considered great; apart from a 38 year old Larry Holmes. He came along when the heavyweight division was at an all time low and got sparked out in his first real challenge.
Great fighters win great fights, Tyson never managed that, he lost every real war he was in. Great fighters beat all the best fighters of their generation, Tyson never managed that, Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis...cant be ignored.
No, the day he signed with Don King, His career was over. Pinklon Thomas, Trevor Burbick James (bone Crusher) Smith Tony Tucker, and Tim Witherspoon just to name a few, were all good fighters. It's not Mikes fault Hollifield and Lewis weren't ready at that time. C'mon, Mike was 20 in '86, dam near 19 when he won the belt. No body wanted Tyson then, NOBODY! He was the baddest man on the planet! Just peaked too early and met the Devil in Don King.
Mike Tyson only ruled for 2 and half years, not much of a legacy, and the very first time he was asked to dig deep...he lost. In fact Tyson lost every real battle he ever faced. he never beat any great fighters or won any great fights.
I think he is one of history most over rated and over hyped fighters of all time.
Wow! I think you are just a Tyson hater. Name one fighter that was feared as much as Mike was. Stop trying, you can't. Mike was a great fighter who never got to see how great he could be. I'm an Ali fan, but even he said he couldn't beat Tyson when Tyson won the belt.
No he didn't, he won a portion on of the title at the age of 20 and lost the unified title at the age of 23. Making him the youngest fighter in history to lose the heavyweight title....Don't you know That?..lol
So anyone who looks at Tyson's career objectively and calls it how it was is a "Tyson hater"?
Name one fighter who was feared as much as Tyson...ok Sonny Liston and George Foreman, but so what? being feared doesn't make you a great fighter.
Ok, he held the WBC for 3 yrs 2 months (not 2 1/2) and also became the first heavy weight to unify all three. Yeah, he was the youngest to lose them, but doesn't that mean he was the youngest to win them? He was contending for the belt at 19!!! And you are not calling it like it was, your delusional for thinking that. Sonny and George were good fighters but Tyson held the title longer than both of them. Feared more than Tyson? Havent heard one boxing expert or historian agree with you.
You can look at his career objectively, sure, but you can't talk about great boxers without mentioning Mike. I can see why he is not in most peoples top 5, but to say he was over rated and over hyped! Well, the only thing I can say to that is, either you ride the short yellow bus or your hockey hekmet is on too tight.
Great fighters avenge their losses. At least some of them. Tyson never managed that. instead he bitched about injuries and slow counts. instead of getting back in the gym and putting things right in the ring.
Great fighters go out fighting. Tyson didn't he sat on his ass and quite in his last two fights.
Sorry you feel that way, it must suck knowing that no matter how much you try to deny his ability, most people don't agree with you. Tyson was a great fighter who had a chance to be the very best. Face it, no matter how much you try, you can't win this argument LOL!!
I've already won the argument, I've raised some valid points that you cant answer or deny. your only retort is that "most people don't agree with You" How you know this only you know, but the fact speak for themselves...you just lack the intelligence to realise it
Ha!! You are high. You say Tyson beat bums. I showed you and named fighters that were all considered top contenders. He waxed them all. You named fighters that by your own standards, aren't great fighters. You named fighters that didn't even hold the belt(s) as long as he did. You say Lewis has to be taken into account, when he fought many of the same fighters Mike did. Great fighters win great fights. Lewis got knocked out by scrubbs (Rhamin and Mccall) Valid points?? Pure Opinion. NEXT!!
And Mike did All this at 19 and 20 when your boys Hollifield and Lewis were doing what?? Not a damn thing. Like I said, Pre Don King, Mke couldn't be touched, deal with it CRUCIO!!
LOL...do the names Danny Williams, Kevin McBride, and Buster Douglas mean anything to you?
Holyfield was a naturally smaller guy than Tyson yet he still out-slugged him...Tyson even bit his ear to get out of a another beating Holyfield was going to lay on him.
Even at 300 pound Tyson is still a beast
scapolaris90 1 month ago
You tell him he's fat. I'll watch what happens to you afterward.
And I'll even call 911 for you. Not that they'd need an ambulance. But I'll be sure to have them send the coroner. To take your dead ass to the morgue after he hits you one time. With a jab, too. Not even an uppercut. lol.
afterapplepicking 5 months ago 2
all that needs to be said is u can call him fat all day but im sure that you couldnt knock him out even if hes tied to a pole.
stfuwk 8 months ago
It's funny how you call him fat, of course he's gonna get out of shape you fucking moron. He's been training all his life, he deserves a rest. Plus he'd still destroy you! People these days, man. You need to realise how pathetic you sound insulting this man.
KTRecon 9 months ago 5
yeah, Tyson looks like he doesn't want all that attention...
I grew up watching mike tyson and I have yet to see a fighter with that much fury in the ring. Tyson not only beat you down, but mentally broke their spirit...
Tyson a legend in boxing, no doubt about that
cagaleche76 11 months ago 2
keep on dreaming asshole, maybe in ur imagination, while u are sleeping lol!!!
TheMr10bucks 1 year ago
I could flip him. squasish him, fold him into a paper airplane and toss him onto the moon.
SpicyHam 1 year ago
@SpicyHam tyson would fuck your scronny wanna be computer thug faggot ass up
1cwa 11 months ago
Mike will always be a fighting icon ... Regardless of the ugly end to his career the man was the greatest EVER at one point.... A young Mike Tyson was the best pure fighter I've ever seen....
funkyflights 1 year ago
He ain't no so tough now, I could beat him easy
SpicyHam 1 year ago
@SpicyHam in your dreams yeah
TheBadMummy 1 year ago
@SpicyHam his cumshot could knock you out bitch
picspc 1 year ago
@picspc haha thats a good one all these computer nerds talking shit mike tyson at 80 yrs old would nock out all of em on a walkingstick
off3r 10 months ago
@SpicyHam LOL
a flick from him would be a haymaker !
JOSHWF2 1 year ago
Fattest? He'd still fuck you up with one arm behind his back.
MrBumboclart 1 year ago 41
@MrBumboclart
ur giving him too much credit... mike tyson wont even need his arms to fuck him up lol
ruckaisawesome 9 months ago
@MrBumboclart Probably. But is he lying? No need to get emotional. We all love Iron Mike and he looks good today. But here? He's a fat fuck, no doubt about it.
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hardiman86 1 year ago
im pretty sure Tyson is a pretty private person and isn't really a fan of all the attention. imagine how annoying it would be to walk around everywhere with flashes going off in your face, constantly surrounded by people he doesnt know asking for things... i actually feel sorry for the guy. he definately was one of the greatest boxers to ever live and will go down in history. an awesome legacy. much respect for Mike Tyson.
hardiman86 1 year ago 38
The man can't go anywhere without people being all over him. He was a great boxer in his prime. I don't know of any heavyweight past or present that had his hand speed, agility, allusiveness, and power. Nobody worked harder than Tyson in his prime. Watch some of his training videos, the man was a beast in the gym.
paintingwithlight 1 year ago
you say he went from the baddest to the fattest? my nigga iron mike looks like he can hop in the ring rite now and destroy marquez and pacquaio at the same time....still the best of all time
foeasy16 1 year ago
@foeasy16 That's why they have different weight divisions. Duh. And looks can be deceiving; even Mike will tell you that being over 40 and overfat is no advantage.
harkyo 1 year ago
i would give almost anything to see this guy
mr1derful112 1 year ago
@mr1derful112 perhaps your children to mike tyson as a feast?
TerrisJ3 1 year ago
@mr1derful112 all you have to do is steal his tiger
YummyBluewaffles 1 year ago
yea hes fat here but Tyson has SLIMMED down a TON in 2010, just watch Mike Tyson on the The View on May 7, 2010.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
Pac man is the man
westside159 1 year ago
miss watching ur interviews TYSON LEGEND
thuglyf121212 1 year ago
Mike Tyson would knock that smirk off of Cassius Clay or Muhammad Ali's face (he changed his name cause he was to pussy to go into the army and then converted to muslim all to not go to the army). Bar None he was the greatest fighter to ever live. Foreman and Lewis were to slow. Ali and Holmes were great boxer but style wise Tyson was exactly what they had trouble with. Frazier would've been the closest fight cause of his heart and never back down style but Tyson was just too quick and powerful.
nconroy24 1 year ago
i think tyson's life begun to become miserable when his file a divorce against him. maybe thats the reason why. for me his the greatest fighter that ever live.
MegaElmo23 1 year ago
@MegaElmo23 cause he listened to his trainer. not many heavyweights, or in any weight class do exactly what their trainer tells them. other than Pacquiao lol
sparkz2112 1 year ago
I think that he should let his new life begin and call 1800getslim/thin
BeardedClamMeister 1 year ago
If I was him i'd just punch all the paparazzi in the face.
LTcholateface 1 year ago
Sounds like you're a bit of a bully yourself, son. Very scary.
thamusiceditor 2 years ago
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Mike Tyson the greatest fighter who ever lived? What absolute nonsense. A prime George Foreman would have demolished him exactly as he did Frazier and Ali would have run rings around him and probably made him quit. Tyson was a bully with no guts when the going got tough. Easily the most overrated fighter of all time.
thamusiceditor 2 years ago
@thamusiceditor a bully? go fuck yourself
KenSansei 2 years ago
hes fat since his muscle turned into fat after long time of period not working out
TheChosenOne5995 2 years ago 4
@TheChosenOne5995 muscle doesn't turn into fat you dumbfuck, same with people thinking fat turns into muscle, you guys are fucking retarded
beamoflaser 1 year ago
If you go from say, 170-180lbs to 200-220+lbs with weight training and eating a lot, and then you sit on your ass for 3 years, you are still going to weigh 200 something pounds. But your chest is going to sag and you will look like shit. Muscle mass does not evaporate and dissapear; it degrades and turns into bulk mass (fat, water retention). Look at Arnold and other former bodybuilders who have been out of the gym in years...they are still large, but they look like shit.
maddingo12 1 year ago
@beamoflaser Yo beamo stfu you prob dont know shit about muscle
TheChosenOne5995 1 year ago
@beamoflaser that's not entirely true. Muscle is made of strands of sinew, red and white. The red is very active muscle, while the white is very fatty. Red that becomes unused turns into white, getting fatty in the process. Not the same fat as a couch asshole, but fatty nonetheless.
Dalittheuntouchable 1 year ago
@Dalittheuntouchable Sounds like bullshit to me. When you don't use your musle they deteriorate, they certainly don't turn into fat, not the red, nor the white fiber.
Offcourse, if you eat the same as you did with the extra musle, you will become fat. Musle uses calories you see, and without them the extra calories turn into fat.
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MrSchwartzenator 1 year ago
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@TheChosenOne5995 you cant turn muscle into fat. there two DIFFERENT compounds. u can put on more fat than muscle, excessive fat hides your muscles and makes u look like that. but you can NEVER turn fat into muscle. thats like saying turn skin into bone u nob
MrSchwartzenator 1 year ago
tydon looked bad against james quick tillis what woudl ali have done to him?
jimmy70843 2 years ago
he had trouble with swarmers (infighters), and Holmes and Ali would get knocked out because Tyson would work his way inside and make it uncomfortable for them to punch and knock them out. Mike Tyson is the greatest fighter to ever live and he would beat anyone in his prime and that's a fact. Michael Gerard Tyson, the greatest fighter who ever lived.
nconroy24 2 years ago 2
@nconroy24 - Holmes got up from being knocked down by one of the hardest punchers in heavyweight history - Earnie Shavers. And Ali was too clever, had the best heavyweight chin ever, had great stamina, and just had "It." You can never leave out the It Factor.
comedicstuff 1 year ago
and any other boxer from an early time because there skills were just primitive (most of them excluding Jack Johnson, Ali, Frazier, Joe Louis, and Larry Holmes) And these guys just wouldn't be able to beat Tyson, Frazier would get dominated at his own game, Johnson wouldn't be able to deflect the powerful punches of Tyson and Johnson wasn't quick enough for Tyson, Joe Louis wouldn't be able to use his brains in this fight because Tyson would be coming at him from the get go and it is well known
nconroy24 2 years ago 2
Tyson would fuck up any other boxer ever and I like how everyone points out his losses but everyone thinks Muhammad Ali was undefeateded and forget that he lost to Joe Frazier when they were both undefeated and in there prime. Mike Tyson is the greatest fighter to ever step foot on the planet, and if you got a problem with that why don't you say it to his face "tough guy".
nconroy24 2 years ago
Calm down nconroy24, you act like somebody insulted you personaly.
I like Mike and I'm sure he would knock me out but he still isn't the greatest, no way, no how.
Too many great fighters from the past who have accomplished more in their career than him and most of em can beat him too.
cupocity303 2 years ago 2
LOVE U TYSON!!!
thuglyf121212 2 years ago
thats awful. look at mikes face, its like he is just totally depressed, i feel bad for him. We love ya mike
sparkz2112 2 years ago 6
yea i know huh, poor dude, wish him the best
MrBygmyke 2 years ago
Don't feel bad for him, he is in a good place. He is in peace with himself, has a great family and the only people that make him depressed are the ones asking him to come out of retirment because they believe he is a boxing God.
cupocity303 2 years ago
@sparkz2112 lol no wonder the people are like idiots there crying and making photos damn that must be annonying for him...
Steelhammer15j 1 year ago
i looove mike tyson... it happens to all of us... its called aging... look at ali hes worst off haha.
divine101 1 year ago
Let Mike be alone for a while. He is an intelligent man! I think he is grown up now! We like you up here in Scandinavia! All the best to you!
kjetin99 2 years ago
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Facts 1. tyson is a rapist 2. tyson is mentally disturbed 3. tyson is a cannibal (half didn't swallow) 4. he was a great fighter better than anyone around today.
MrBigGuns77 2 years ago
Tyson fans remind me of Michael Jackson fans sitting outside the court house shouting "WE LOVE YOU MICHAEL...YOU'RE INNOCENT"
lol..deluded and clueless. Mike Tyson beat no great fighters in their prime. his record is full of bums and he got owned in just about every real battle he was in.
Tyson was more a b class fighter than a true great
CRUClO 2 years ago
Tyson beat all of the top fighters around on his way to being the youngest and first heavy weight to unify all three belts. Not, Holiyfield not lewis. Mike was a 19 yr old kid beating down gold medalists and heavyweights who had the belt(s). Not his fault he did it so viciously. And none of the fighters you named beat Tyson at his best. Get over it, you have to call Tyson a great fighter. All you do is try to focus on the negatives in Mikes life. You can't ignore his GREAT accomplishments!!
gmckan33 2 years ago 2
@CRUClO you are right man, people get blinded by youtube compilation clips of tyson's easy fight. fighters aren't judged on how hard they hit or how fast they are but what they do when their backs are to the ropes and have to dig deep. This is where Tyson failed, he was just a bully who crumbled when his victim fought back
ManlnCognito 2 years ago
Yeah, he was a bully. A bully who at the age of 21 had all three belts. So, no one here is blinded by any youtube video clips. At his best, no one could touch him. The greatest, hardly, but great and one of the most feared, you dam skippy. Just a great fighter who shined at a young age and fizzled out for many reasons. Boxers peak at different times, too bad for Tyson it was at a young age. You can't talk about great heavyweights without mentioning Mike. Tyson boxing GREAT!!
gmckan33 2 years ago 2
Tyson only lost 6 times in his career. 3 of those losses were to legendary heavyweights (holyfield twice, and lewis). the other three were fuck ups on his part (overconfidence in the douglass fight, broken knee in the williams fight, and lack of heart in the mcbride fight). I love how ppl are quick to point out these 6 losses in mike's career but conveniently forget the other 50 heavyweights whom Tyson dominated and destroyed.
Torus21 2 years ago 3
@Torus21 Seventh would be about right.
90 of Tyson's 50 odd victories were against bums who didn't fight back. FACT eveytime Tyson was properly challenged in the ring he lost. not once did he get off the floor to win. not once did he avenge any of his losses and as far as I am concerned never shown guts. True greats don't sit on their ass and quite
CRUClO 2 years ago
WTF? You can hate tyson for the supposed rape that he commited, but you can't say that he wasn't a great boxer. Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, and even Evander fuckin Holyfield all hold Tyson in very high regards. George Foreman even listed Tyson as the 7th greatest heavyweight of all time in his personal list. I'm sure that these aforementioned four gentlemen know alot more about boxing than you do.
Torus21 2 years ago 2
your a bitch obviously, i never knew larry holmes, spinks , berbrick etc were bums!
and fighters tyson killed like , savareese, bruno, holmes etc, gave lennox and holyfield all they could handle.
slamin45 1 year ago
@slamin45 Homo.... Holmes was an old man who had not fought for three years when Tyson beat him. Spinks was a light heavyweight and Berbick, Bruno and savareese were bums....and so was buster Douglas who owned Tyson in his prime.
CRUClO 1 year ago
thats BS, even when holmes lost to tyson he was able to give holyfield a run for his money (some thought he beat holyfield) and spank ray mercer, so then at least you can say holmes was more in his prime when he fought tyson than when he fought holy & ray, all the other bums you mentioned apart from douglas gave lennox and holyfield all they could handle, so whats your point?, cuz mine is tyson is a legend, fought the best, and in his prime will whoop any heavyweight.
slamin45 1 year ago
and spinks came fron light heavy weight and was able to whoop cooney and holmes (fighters that are much bigger than tyson) and now all of a sudden he was too small? and we all know the controversy in the douglas fight, tyson was not in his prime when he fought douglas,and you know it too.
slamin45 1 year ago
@CRUClO if u actaully watched the tyson dougglas fight u could tell tyson hadnt trained nor was fight his normal peekaboo style. tyson wasnt movin his head not delivering many body shots to wear douglas down nor was he hooking up any of his notorious combinations so obviously that fight doesnt speak of the talent of rome tyson therefore u cannot say thats a prime tyson. and evryone underrates tysons opponents so fuck you.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue I watched the Tyson Vs Douglas fight live...unlike you who wasn't even born. (typical Tyson fans to young to have lived though his era)
Tyson weighed in at his usual weight of 220lbs. Boasted before the fight what great shape he was in. Got owned from the opening bell. Tyson never moved his head or used his jab past the sixth round.
Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Frasier and Foreman would have killed the very average Tyson in his prime.
CRUClO 1 year ago
@jak1anorue No fuck you...you stupid little kid. If Tyson didn't train for the Douglas fight then who's fault is that? he was defending the heavyweight championship of the world, if he couldn't stay focused then that marks him down as a fighter. Tyson got owned by Douglas in his prime. once you except that then the better your life will be
CRUClO 1 year ago
@crucio Pre-Don King. The baddest MF to put on a pair of gloves! You can make a case against him as to the greatest of all time, but you can't deny his accomplishments. No one wanted to fight him at his best, not lewis, not holyfield. He beat all top contenders and did it visciously! Not just journymen, but olympic gold medalists, and heavy weight champs. He did all this at the age of 20. Mike Tyson..heavy weight GREAT!!
gmckan33 2 years ago
@gmckan33 you dont know shit about boxing
ManlnCognito 2 years ago
@ManlnCognito how ignorant of you, he presents facts and then you just avoid everything he said and say he doesnt kow shit
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue What facts?
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito ok since you need me to repeat the facts, i will
No one wanted to fight him at his best, not lewis, not holyfield: FACT
He beat ALL the TOP contenders and did it visciously! NOT just journeymen, but gold medalists, and heavyweight champs: FACT
He did this all starting as a a teen at 18 and finished as the youngest heavyweight champ ever at age 20: FACT
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue Here's some facts for you.Tyson didn't want to fight Lewis at his best, he paid Lewis 4 million dollars step aside money so he could fight Bruce Seldon instead.FACT.
When Tyson was champ Holyfield was a Cruiserweight and Lewis like 10 and 0, years away from a title shot.FACT. Tyson beat no great fighters in their prime and lost every real war he was in.FACT. Tyson was the youngest man to lose the title at 23 FACT.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito No no, tyson was NOT at his best in 96, he got of jail in 95 and it wasnt the same tyson that we saw when he fought bruce sheldon: FACT (the point is his fighting style changed for the worse, by 96 he was alot less elusive but a bit stronger, which being elusive is better
By 1988-89, Holyfield was wbc heavyweight champ (another wbc title than wat tyson had at the time) and yet he didnt wanna fight mike so then there was the tyson spinks fight: FACT
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue Holyfield was not the wbc champion in 88-89 Tyson was. How do you Holyfeild never wanted to fight Tyson. unlike you I was actually around in 88-89 and I remember Holyfeild calling Tyson out.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito holyfield had another type of wbc championship or something, not as much recognized as the legit wbc champ belt. but no the only fighter that tyson would have had real trouble with was big george only becoz of how strong foreman was defensively and how strong goerge was with his punchesin the inside, so don king wanted to keep tyson away from george foreman in the 80's, no one else. the tyson holyfield fight didnt happen coz holyfield wasnt skilled enof for a prime tyson, period
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue You really don't know anything about boxing to you?
Tyson won the WBC belt from Berbick and Lost it to Douglas who lost it to Holyfield. The only other WBC title Holyfield held prior to his fight with Douglas was the WBC cruiserweight Belt.
Tyson and his people paid Lewis 4 million dollars stand aside money so that tells me Tyson was avoiding Lennox Lewis
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito holyfield had the WBC Continental Americas
Heavyweight title in i think 89, he no longer had the cruiserweight title becoz he was fighting in the heavywieght in which he dropped in 90 when he beat douglas! I believe u need to get u facts straight! and by 96' tyson was nothing like he was in his prime, where he really coulda fought anybody as long as he was just focused on boxing and not outside interference etc.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue In his prime he was annihilated by James Buster Douglas...a Journeyman with a suspect chin.Tyson was just 23 years old AND IN HIS PRIME. If Douglass could beat a young Tyson so convincingly then Holyfield and Lewis surely could.
And what the fuck is the "WBC continental title"? What relevance is that worthless strap to this discussion?
What is it with you Tyson nutthuggers? the guy had so many floors it's laughable.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito lets not be stupid!!! even though tyson may have bin in physical shape for that fight, but he hardly trained for this fight, in fact, he only trained like one day while over in tokyo and he got dropped by his sparring parnter. at the fight his corner didnt even have an endswell, and the style that tyson fought was nothing like how he won all his kos before, no head movement no combos, no deidication to the sport of boxing
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito, listen, since i guess ur too stupid to realize this but tyson WITHOUT his elusize offensive attack where focused and well trained and tuned for each individual opponenet, to where he know how to properly break them down and find opening to deliver a brutal combination that will leave his opponent wondering how he did that tyson is nothing special yes, but with it, he is indeed world class
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito so wat im saying is that tyson was infact not the heavyweight champ because he wasnt matured mentally and didnt repspect boxing enough, but had he bin mentally matured and under the proper guidance of a trainer like d'amato, teddy atlas, or rooney, tyson could very well have bin the best and to me he is the best prime figther because no one could ever contest tyson trademark elusive, peekaboo style, no one.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito and lastly, like i said uve just avoided my facts when i told you about holyfields other wbc title belt becoz YOU dont know ur shit! also you avoided wat i said about lewis, see wat uve done is avoid everything that goes against what ur saying and try to keep coming up NEW with things to bash tyson with. im NO tysonlover but i do appreciate the type of fighting that helped elavate the game in the 80s-90s becoz such fighting has never bin seen before, ever.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue How do you know that Tyson didn't train for the Douglas fight? You are just some dumb 20 year old kid blinded by youTube compilation videos of Tyson easy fights. you weren't even around when Tyson was his peak. I was I've watched Tyson fight live..I doubt you've even laced up a pair of gloves.
I haven't avoided any of your so call "points" I've just ignored your ignorance.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito my point is that even though tyson as a whole is definitely NOT the greatest, he does belong in the top, & hes ranked 16th evr by ring magazine for a reason. you know why?? Tyson's PRIME fighting style was sooo quick and so accurate & combined head and bodymovemtnt with punches that were thrown in combo. this has never bin seen before or after tyson & this fighting style demanded talent out of his opponents like none other, or else theyd be kod in the 1st to 4th rd no problem
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue You are ignoring Tyson floors and just seeing his offensive skills. In his so called prime Tyson never once beat great fighter in their prime. he never once won a real war against a truly game opponent. Even with Rooney in his corner he was different fighter after the sixth round, he stopped moving his head, stopped throwing combinations and stopped using his jab. Tyson was a one dimensional fighter with no plan b.
Tyson was average at best
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito oh my god, why are you doing this, youve hardly responded to anything ive said about his skill, you know wat a good defense in boxing is, a good offense you know a good defense is covering up well and slipping ur opponents' punches which was part of tysons offense. razor ruddock was a definitely solid fighter, whom tyson beat twice so obviously you really dont even know that much about tyson
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue I have answered every valid point that you have made...it's just that you have not made that many. You choose to ignore the facts that Tyson only ruled for 2 and half years. Never beat any great fighters in their prime. Never won any real battles. never avenged any of his losses and never even beat all the best fighters of his era. Tyson didn't just lose when he was old he lost when he was 23.
You're a clueless idiot who doesn't know shit about boxing
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito ok listen, just like that other guy crucio you MUST have something against tyson. first, i will briefly highlight all that youve avioded. first youve claimed im a stupid kid who prolly hasnt lced up some gloves in my life when ur wrong about that, i dont fight but i paractice all the time. also u said tyson was at his prime when he avoided lewis. you were WRONG
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue just because someone doesn't hero worship Tyson like you do and actually looks at his career objectively. doesn't mean they don't like him. It's just that Tyson career doesn't stand up to scrutiny
CRUClO 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito you also said that tyson didnt beat anybody when he beat and olympic champ, heavyweights champs, as well as former champs, and top ranked fighters in the world by ring magazine. youve ignored all that! youve ignored the peekaboo style and dont even realize how effective it was coz u prolly havent even seen that many fights of tyson nor others.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue I watched Tyson career unfold in the late 80's and the heavyweight division sucked. it was worse than it is now. None of the fighters Tyson beat did anything before or after he fought them. Frank Bruno, Tony Tubbs, James smith, Trevor Berbick. These were not great fighters. Tucker and Douglas was good but not great. The only two fighters he fought were Holyfield and Lewis and they both stopped him.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito What is it with theses kids?
CRUClO 1 year ago
@CRUClO It's always the same; guys in their late teens and early 20's. Blinded by compilation clips of Tyson's easy fights and his outrageous behaviour. It sad that a convicted rapist can be hero worshipped by a generation.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito really, you just avoided evrything I said, you know what if we just wrote down all the facts of course we could see that tyson wasnt the greatest, but all your scrutiny is bullshit, no matter what i said, youd bring it down to your own opinionated view. so just becoz ur guys are what 40, you think u know so much, when hvywt greats like ali & holmes agree with ME, in that tysons skill in his prime far exceeded anyone in his generation, thus placing him as 1 of the greats
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito ur such full of shit, obviously you didnt take any of my valid, points; i know tyson was shit in the late nineties to 2000s, all i said was his talent far exceeded wat any hvywght boxer had in his PRIME. i know tyson wasnt the best so stop repeating ur ignorant bullshit!! you obviously dont know crap about the physical and mental shape and talent you have to work,s weat and bleed for tot box professionally, even if u end up being a bum..
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue Once again can you point me to one Tyson victory over a credible opponent that justifies you blind hero worship of the guy
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito donavan razor ruddock, was considered one of the most dangerous fighters at the time tyson fought em in 90, tyson beat him twice! berbick beat an aging ali; tyson destroyed berbick, spinks stole the title from holmes, spinks was built like holyfield; tyson destroyed spinks. ur such an ignorant shit, i dont blindly worship him; i told u ive seen all of his fights, including his losses, i never said tyson was the best ever
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito my whole point about tyson was his fighting style that he utilized in his prime. tyson being in shape has nothing to do with him being in his prime but of course u didnt know that. a boxer who is in his prime is able to be DEDICATED TO HIS OFFENSIVE ATTACK AND DEFENSE!!! of course they also do adapt that style to each different opponent.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue So if a fighter is not in his prime at 23 when is he? I watched all Tyson fights in the 80's. I watched him struggle against journeymen like Mitch Green, Henry Tillman, James Smith.
You're a fucking idiot Tyson nutthugger, who probably jacks off over the rapist second rate bum. I wish you aids and a shit load of cancer. If you have kids I hope they die to.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito thank you for clarifying that you are obviously an ignorant 40 yr old british pevert. you know wat you disgust me, uve really got something against tyson its obvious. dont give me that shit that tyson was STRUGGLING against boncrusher smith and green, tyson just continued to work them the whole fight and won EASILY BY DESICION. thats not struggling at all but since u dont know shit about boxing i guess u expected him to HAVE to win by ko or tko early on.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue Yes I've got allot against Tyson, he was a rapist and a coward. He dragged the sport of boxing through the mud...I have proved you wrong about him time and time and time again. You American scum. I hate you and your fucking country. I hope you another 9/11 and this time even more people get killed.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito hey buddy!? i said if u have nothing to intellegient to say then dont reply,ur SICK & PERVERTED, if u call urself a christian then God have mercy on you becoz ur values are completely distorted. you wish death and etc, and it shows ur true side, you Didnt PROVE anything in this argument. i cant continue to repeat everything u simply IGNORED and i cant describe how IGNORANT you are!
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue I proved you wrong you American scum and you know it. Now go curl up in corner and die
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito you just proved that ur the ignorant one, u hate tyson and the facvt that he was in boxing, so no matter wat i said u woouldnt count it worth shit and thats why u simply ignored everything and resorted to name calling! so u know wat? u just go on and live ur sad ignorant life and pertend that the usa isnt the most powerful country in the world and this it is UK's ally! dumbass! and before u reply read the comment below VVVVVVV
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue I ignored everything you said that I felt wasn't relevant. You whined and made excuses for Tyson's faults and losses. But ignored the facts that I gave you...you dumb fucking kid
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito all i did was bring relevnat facts to support the idea that the prime tyson was one talented son of a bitch! nothing else; im not biased like u and accept he didnt fight in the era of the greats, but the fact is this: while tyson may not have foought the heavyweight greats like frazier, ali, liston, etc, these same guys accept tyson as one of the greats regardless becoz unlike u they truly understand pro boxing, and recognize tysons talent, so wat do u have to say to this??
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito the only way im even going to continue to respond to u is u can answer evry single point intelligently, and if u result in simply calling be a stupid kid, even tho i know more facts about this issue than u do, then i wont even respond to ur ignorant replies. so, im going to bring up that holyfield DID have another wbc title in 89, u said i was stupid and WRONG & didnt know shit about boxing, but i am right, what can u say to that??? Just answer that specific point & we can continue
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito obviously you really dont understand boxing like u try to pertend you do, just becoz u dont win by ko or tko doesnt mean u had trouble winning, if u win easily by desicion which tyson did then thats just as solid of a win!. AND TYSON HAD A HAILMARY HARD RIGHT HOOK THAT DROPPED HENRY TILLMAN IN THE FIRST ROUND IN 90'!!! you really dont know ur shit! if ur talking about tyson fighting tillman as an ametuer that doesnt even count as tysons prime!
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito and seriously i hope ur not a christian becoz u sicken me, seriously how dare u say such words in front of God, how dare you. i guess ur wrapped up in ur own pathetic world where u think ur soooo right well ur wrong, face it; in no tyson nuthugger i already explained that, but it is a fact that the greats would agree with my view on tyson as on of the greats beocz of his prime, wat more convincing to ur ignorant self do u need.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito and let me point out this; u were wrong about tyson not beating a credible opponent, so then u decided to ignore it and try to bring up tillman from tysons ametuer days, but if u actually watched all of tysons fights then ud know that tyson desroyred tillman in the 1st round professionally. do see how ur wrong AGAIN??
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito wen tyson was dedicated 2 his peekaboo style all the way thru he either had an easy ko, or the wole fight his oponent was tryna tie tyson up and showin little ofense coz if he opened up then tyson would deliver a quick sharp ko combo. this is NOT an OPINION, if u actually watched all tysons fights in the 80s then ud see that this is a FACT. in the 90s tyson was justlookin for a quick one hit ko, even tho he still did ko stewart, tillman & ruddock
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@CRUClO & mnlncognito, i bet i know more about boxing and the mental struggle it takes to knock a guy out n the ring than both of you. you sit here & criticize people who enjoyed the talent that tyson brought to heavyweight boxing, yet u dont have ur facts straight especially you MANLNCOGNITO how didnt know shit about holyfield and his other wbc title belt and dared to claim that i was stupid and was wrong!
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@CRUClO, the guy gmckan33 had a nice long argument with u bringin up almost identical points as i, yet you took his opinion no more than mine and hes like in his 40s so obviously ur the ignorant one!
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito you continue to ignore how little prepared tyson was for the douglas, and claim he was fighting with the same elusive style with the combinations. YOU WERE WRONG! Tyson beat razor ruddock twice which was a more than solid fighter! yuo WERE WRONG! my whole point was about tysons ability of his prime which stretches from 85-90. if you watched the douglas fight thoroughly then you would have seen how much differently he fought.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue How the fuck do you know Tyson wasn't prepared for there Douglas fight? He said at the pre-flight press conference that he was in the best shape of his career and that his new trainer had improved him as a fighter. he weighed in at his normal fighting weight...he was in shape and in his prime and got the beating of his life.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito of course tyson would say that at his press conference!!! are u that stupid?? fighters always boast about how good they are, lets not be that dumb!! tyson trained like once that week, & he even got dropped by his sparring partner,! the rest of his time in tokyo he was fuckin asian bitches, & im not even kidding! he didnt take the fight srsly at all, he had bin doin drugs more since jim jacobs died, in fact his corner didnt even have an endswell! do u know wat that is?? i bet not
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue Again how the fuck do you know Tyson didn't train for the Douglass fight? You wasn't even born. And if he didn't who's fault is that? But none of that is relevant because Douglas was a bum. If Tyson was that good he should have been able to beat Douglas drunk and with his eyes closed..but he didn't he got owned in his PRIME
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito wow that was stupid, just coz u were alive doesnt mean ud know, u didnt know tyson personally, i know that he didnt train coz tyson himself explained everyhting about that fight s and how unmotivated he was, he thought it was just another fight to blow off and win quickly; but since u dont know anything about boxing, let me clarify that in professional boxing if u dont stay dedicated to ur fughting style AND dont train, you will be beaten, thats wat happened to tyson!
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito Did you notice HOW YOU AVIODED BEING COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT HOLYFIELD HAVING ANOTHER WBC TITLE BELT THAN TYSON HAD IN 89??? becoz your the one who doesnt know shit neither do you understand boxing as well as you think! all i said was that tyson was the best prime fighter, not best fighter ever. so u know wat, im not even going to try arguing with ur ignorant ass if u dont read everything i say and accept where ur wrong.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue Holyfield didn't hold any WBC title of relevance in 89. I wasn't wrong I was right. What do you mean by... "Tyson was the best prime fighter?"
Prime Tyson wouldn't have been fit to have carried Ali's spit bucket...you dumb kids think you know it all but you don't know shit.
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito yes holyfield did just fuckin look it up you misinformed prick!! and once again u judge boxers at ur level as a boxing fan, believe me i would much rather trust the greats like ALI, HOLMES, FRAZIER who agree with me but obviously ur simply ignore them even though they know wat it really takes to be a champ and im sure they know a great hvywt champ like tyson when they see one
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You yourself have ignored the facts I have given you and accused me of doing the same. difference is you have not given me any facts. You have just given me your opinion which isn't worth shit
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito once again, whay the fuck does your opinion mean compared to boxing anylists and legendary boxers, and even boxing magazines like ring magazine that puts tyson at 16th in the world of heavyweight boxers!! and thats considering his whole career, i think my opinion is worht much more than urs!!
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito and how can you seriously say ive given you my OPINION only, how is saying holyfield had another wbc belt than tyson did in 89 and opinion. thats just one situation where you ur facts were wrong and u IGNORED it!! you continue to claim i dont know shit just coz im 20, when it seems like i know more than you do becoz like i said im not one of those kids whose just watched highlight clips of tyson beating tomato cans
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito well i meant in 1990 and 91, when tyson begun to ABANDON his complete decdication to peekaboo style with the brutal body shots and the finishing blinding KO combos
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito so if u dont even know crap about tyson nor other fighters that weve talked about, im not even going to try to argue with you about the fact that tyson didnt just fight bums, and definitely fought and be fighters in their prime. also, if u actually watch boxing then ud know heavyweight fighters including the ALI slow down but its the short burst of enrgy where they capatalize that counts and a prime tyson still had a alot of stamina and still stayed true to his fighting style
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito lemme just ask you, what heavyweight has ever forced fighters to fight liek tyson has with his pure raw talent, and i mean fight not dance around for 12 rounds just taking jabs and maybe a hook or an uppercut here and there? Just answer that. and heres some food for thought, you claim tysons just and avg fighter, well certain greats like ali, holmes, and maybe the almost as great holyfield hold tyson as one of the greatest heavyweights.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito dont get my facts skewed ok. my point is there was no way holyfield would beat tyson in the 80s, not even a chance, holyfield left him self open too much. same with lewis, everyone know lennox lewis was a boxing con. he was a tall guy with an ok jab, and he could take a few hits, if he fought a prime mike hed just be a big tree to cut down. You know this is true
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito i know tyson's reign wasnt long enough, neither was his comeback but if tyson hadnt fucked his own boxing career up by abondoning rooney, and forgetting wat teddy atlas and cus d'amato had taught him, he simply reigned for a long long time, and could have arguably beocme the best ever next to ali, but that was not to be and tyson only is the best prime fighter ever.
jak1anorue 1 year ago
@jak1anorue It's all coulda would shoulda with you. Tyson's career has to be judged on how it was, not how it should have been if this had happened and that had happened. How do you know Tyson have beat Holyfield and Lewis in the 80's. Did he beat anyone as good as them?..NO he didn't. he struggled with James Smith and Mitch green in his prime...two bums
ManlnCognito 1 year ago
@ManlnCognito no everyone claims tyson sturggled with fighters that he didnt knock out in the first to fourth round, if tyson wins by deciosn or a ko after the 4th then a win is a win, and for the most partm bonecrusher smith and mitch green were fighting tysons fight allll day. tyson paved the entire fight, and if they actually did wanna show some real offense, tyson would have easily outperformed them and won by a quick ko
jak1anorue 1 year ago
You keep saying "pre-Don King" Don King promoted all Tyson's so called glory fights. Right from when he won the title against Berbick to when he came out of prison.
CRUClO 2 years ago
Tyson didn't sign a contract with Don King until '89. Bill Clayton managed Mike until then. You know as well as anyone, after Rooney was fired, Mike wasn't the same fighter becaus he immediately lost the skills that made him great. If you know anything about Tyson's story then you know how Don King tried to split up Mike's camp and why Rooney was really fired. So yeah, Pre Don king, a great fighter.
gmckan33 2 years ago
@gmckan33 Don King promoted Tyson V Berbick. Go watch the video and see king lift him up at the end
ManlnCognito 2 years ago
Mike was under contract with Bill Clayton not Don King. I don't care that he promoted the fight, but he did not manage Mike til '89. Look that up and come back and see me.
gmckan33 2 years ago 2
@gmckan33 I know full well Tyson's managerial arrangements in 89. but honestly I don't see what difference it makes. if Tyson made bad decisions regarding his personal and financial life then that is his problem and his fault. Ali had don king to contend with as well as two divorces. the American government on his back. but he still tuck care of business in the ring. if Tyson couldnt do that then that marks him down as a fighter
ManlnCognito 2 years ago
it was more than a managerial arrangement. Don King was responsible for convincing Mike that the white people around him were no good. Ultimately, it was Mikes decisions that did him in, but having all that money at 19, c'mon, he was just a kid. Even as smart as Ali was, he was still swindled by King as well. Remember the lawsuit where Ali wanted millions but he settled out of court for $50,000( or something close to that) Just saying he had bad people around him and was gullible.
gmckan33 2 years ago
Tyson never beat any great fighters, never won any great fights, lost every real war he was in and got owned by a journeyman in his prime. Tyson has to be the most overrated and overhyped fighter of all time
CRUClO 2 years ago
People here are arguing whether Tyson is great or not. History has revealed.... This is a 17 sec clip of Mike in a crowd and its got 173,000 views (at time of this comment). People remember the greats - whether you love him or hate him one things for sure you'll never forget him.
roccosting 2 years ago
Tyson beat everyone who was considered great for most of his career( Pre Don King) It's not his fault they couldn't handle the beat downs. He had no rivals at that time. I believe as soon as he signed with Don King, he was done. He was a great fighter who never got to see how great he could be. Too sad.
gmckan33 2 years ago
Tyson didn't beat anyone who was considered great; apart from a 38 year old Larry Holmes. He came along when the heavyweight division was at an all time low and got sparked out in his first real challenge.
Great fighters win great fights, Tyson never managed that, he lost every real war he was in. Great fighters beat all the best fighters of their generation, Tyson never managed that, Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis...cant be ignored.
CRUClO 2 years ago
By the way Don king promoted him all through his so called best years.
CRUClO 2 years ago
No, the day he signed with Don King, His career was over. Pinklon Thomas, Trevor Burbick James (bone Crusher) Smith Tony Tucker, and Tim Witherspoon just to name a few, were all good fighters. It's not Mikes fault Hollifield and Lewis weren't ready at that time. C'mon, Mike was 20 in '86, dam near 19 when he won the belt. No body wanted Tyson then, NOBODY! He was the baddest man on the planet! Just peaked too early and met the Devil in Don King.
gmckan33 2 years ago
Mike Tyson only ruled for 2 and half years, not much of a legacy, and the very first time he was asked to dig deep...he lost. In fact Tyson lost every real battle he ever faced. he never beat any great fighters or won any great fights.
I think he is one of history most over rated and over hyped fighters of all time.
Ali would have killed him
CRUClO 2 years ago
Wow! I think you are just a Tyson hater. Name one fighter that was feared as much as Mike was. Stop trying, you can't. Mike was a great fighter who never got to see how great he could be. I'm an Ali fan, but even he said he couldn't beat Tyson when Tyson won the belt.
gmckan33 2 years ago
Sorry, but Mike held the belt for 5 yrs the first time he had it. I guess you are entitled to your opinion, it's a good thing few agree with you.
gmckan33 2 years ago
No he didn't, he won a portion on of the title at the age of 20 and lost the unified title at the age of 23. Making him the youngest fighter in history to lose the heavyweight title....Don't you know That?..lol
So anyone who looks at Tyson's career objectively and calls it how it was is a "Tyson hater"?
Name one fighter who was feared as much as Tyson...ok Sonny Liston and George Foreman, but so what? being feared doesn't make you a great fighter.
You're an idiot
CRUClO 2 years ago
Ok, he held the WBC for 3 yrs 2 months (not 2 1/2) and also became the first heavy weight to unify all three. Yeah, he was the youngest to lose them, but doesn't that mean he was the youngest to win them? He was contending for the belt at 19!!! And you are not calling it like it was, your delusional for thinking that. Sonny and George were good fighters but Tyson held the title longer than both of them. Feared more than Tyson? Havent heard one boxing expert or historian agree with you.
gmckan33 2 years ago
You can look at his career objectively, sure, but you can't talk about great boxers without mentioning Mike. I can see why he is not in most peoples top 5, but to say he was over rated and over hyped! Well, the only thing I can say to that is, either you ride the short yellow bus or your hockey hekmet is on too tight.
gmckan33 2 years ago
Great fighters win great fights. Tyson never managed that, he lost every real war he found himself in.
Great fighters beat all the best fighters of their generation. Tyson never managed that. His record is made up of bums and journeymen.
CRUClO 2 years ago
Great fighters avenge their losses. At least some of them. Tyson never managed that. instead he bitched about injuries and slow counts. instead of getting back in the gym and putting things right in the ring.
Great fighters go out fighting. Tyson didn't he sat on his ass and quite in his last two fights.
Tyson was not great
CRUClO 2 years ago
Sorry you feel that way, it must suck knowing that no matter how much you try to deny his ability, most people don't agree with you. Tyson was a great fighter who had a chance to be the very best. Face it, no matter how much you try, you can't win this argument LOL!!
gmckan33 2 years ago
I've already won the argument, I've raised some valid points that you cant answer or deny. your only retort is that "most people don't agree with You" How you know this only you know, but the fact speak for themselves...you just lack the intelligence to realise it
CRUClO 2 years ago
Ha!! You are high. You say Tyson beat bums. I showed you and named fighters that were all considered top contenders. He waxed them all. You named fighters that by your own standards, aren't great fighters. You named fighters that didn't even hold the belt(s) as long as he did. You say Lewis has to be taken into account, when he fought many of the same fighters Mike did. Great fighters win great fights. Lewis got knocked out by scrubbs (Rhamin and Mccall) Valid points?? Pure Opinion. NEXT!!
gmckan33 2 years ago
And Mike did All this at 19 and 20 when your boys Hollifield and Lewis were doing what?? Not a damn thing. Like I said, Pre Don King, Mke couldn't be touched, deal with it CRUCIO!!
gmckan33 2 years ago
Lewis got knocked out by scrubbs?
LOL...do the names Danny Williams, Kevin McBride, and Buster Douglas mean anything to you?
Holyfield was a naturally smaller guy than Tyson yet he still out-slugged him...Tyson even bit his ear to get out of a another beating Holyfield was going to lay on him.
Tyson was a B class fighter at best
CRUClO 2 years ago
Lennox Lewis was an Olympic gold medallist...Tyson cant boast that.
Lennox Lewis was a three time heavyweight champion...Tyson cant boast that.
Lennox Lewis beat