A Glimpse into John Calvin's Geneva (by Pastor Marc Monte)

[ChristusVlCTOR]

I'm not a Calvinist, infact my dislike for Calvin borders on hatred (I pray for deliverance) & Im convinced that no person beliving in the doctrine of Limited Atonement will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, as it is impossible to believe both Arminians and Calvinists hold the same Gospel, one HAS to be wrong, and I believe it is the Calvinists. All that said, this "Pastor's" division of the Church from Israel is completely wrong. Israel is the Church, Jews first and then us Gentiles were grafted in.

[ChristusVlCTOR]

@ChristusVlCTOR Furthermore the New Testament is filled with Examples of Banishment, Chastisement, and even hints at Execution. Mt 18:17, Titus 3:10, Rom 1:32, 1 Cor 5:5, 1 Tim 1:20... furthermore, statements made that state that those with the Holy Spirit can't kill people, burning them, or torturing, is more or less Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, as it states that those OT Saints did not have the Spirit, & that God Himself is not Holy for Tormenting souls in Hell, burning them to death forever,

[Ogram1000]

Do we need a Calvin or Arminian? Why can't we just read the scripture as the scripture OT&NT IT has to boil down to faith.&faith alone.Grace is a GIFT & I have to believe that GOD offers that GIFT to ALL(as in EVERYONE EVER BORN) Cause He is a Fair and GOOD God.Any other would be EVIL, God can't HATE,IT is not in His nature to Hate.The CROSS proves that.Scriptures is so overwhelming loaded with the attributes of His love that anything else with regard to TULIP is preaching a false gospel.

[ChristusVlCTOR]

@Ogram1000 I agree with most of what you write, however Psalm 5:5 and 11:5 aswell as other Scriptures makes it clear that God CAN and DOES hate. He hates everysingle Sinner. Infact, it is impossible to Love without Hate, for you must hate everything that threatens the object of your love.

[Ogram1000]

@ChristusVlCTOR Sorry for the absence been away very sick mother. Yes God does hate BUT the hate He has is "righteous" HE just does not create to HATE and "feel good about it" I "feel" <me speaking that HE is so holy that even if I could understand His Holiness....I would melt like wax in lava

[ChristusVlCTOR]

@Ogram1000 I'm sorry to hear about your mother, I pray God's good grace will be upon your whole familly, with peace and love.

God's hatred certainly is a holy hatred, it is not petty, nor unwarranted. It is enough for us to know, that God in no way condones sin, and will punish every sinner who does not find forgiveness and salvation in Christ Jesus through repentance and faith.

Again, may God bless you!

[skalapunk]

I love it when Arminians can't handle the scriptures so they turn to the logical fallacy of ad hominem or "guilt by association".

I's one of the main reasons I'm a Calvinist now! Calvinists are much more logical. (ie, they don't need to commit logical fallacies to debate the issues)

[kekoa9152]

There are so many people today, especially here in America, who are ignorant to Church history. The main issues between the Arminian perspective and that of the Doctrines of Grace are the Attributes of God, the state of the Will, and whether man is the deciding element of their salvation. These weak "straw man" arguments on both sides do nothing but promulgate ignorance.

[ThePristineFaith]

@Hello1689 Calvin is more than just a promoter of Calvinist thought, he is the source (along with Augustine) of the doctrines which you believe, friend. Is it a little uncomfortable to you that the source behind your belief system comes from a man of the character of Calvin?

[ArminianMorningTea]

You know a man by his fruits. Calvin's fruits seem devilish.

[Teachthecross]

So this is why so many Calvinists hesitate to be called by that name...

[ThePristineFaith]

@Teachthecross You are probably right.  In my mind, it also calls into question the source of the Calvinistic belief system.