Is Predictability Really a Bad Thing In Prowrestling?

[dabearz27]

I like your points here. I never really thought about it that way. I think people want that surprise factor there, but at the same time look at Edge returning. Everyone knew the rumors, but it was still somewhat of a surprise. I think the contrary can still be fun now and then, but more often than not if the more predictable outcome happens, I think you're right, it's for the best.

[MrWwefan97]

In some ways predictability is a bad thing. With predictability you lose the OMG that made you want to watch next weeks show. If you know what's gonna happen why even bother watching it.

[lezstewart]

i completely agree with u predictability is not a bad thing every thing u have said i agree with

[BlackaDenBlack]

It's not that it's too predictable. It's that they don't get you to care about the characters anymore. Back in the day, you use to care about what happened. I remember when Austin got ran over at SS. I remember when Mankind won the WWE title. I remember when Stephanie got hung on that cross and Austin saved her. You CARED. Nowadays, they don't take time in getting you to care and genuinely appreciate the characters. Partly due to lack of mic time and mic skills and poorly-executed storylines.

[whitetigerak]

I disagree...

The saddest day in wrestling for me was when I learned more about it and realized it was scripted and more about the backstage area.

It's no fun seeing a world title match when you know who's gonna win.. I miss the days of seeing HHH vs Jamie Knoble when I really believed there was s chance Knoble was gonna win the title from him.

[FriedKitties]

I think I see the first two seasons of Heroes in his DVD shelf haha.

[JasonRP12NH]

Do you watch 24?

[d21lewis]

I have heard the words "predictable" and "unpredictable" more in this seventeen minutes than in my ENTIRE LIFE!!!!

It was totally unpredictable!!

[xtbeetle32]

i agree... The Christian example is the one that stood out to me.. @ no way out the crowd was marking out 4 christian yet Vince thought it would be 2 predictable so he used matt instead.. However i & probably many others saw matt hardy being the culprit with same degree of transparency as christian was getting. In an ironic way vince was predictable in trying to be unpredictable.

[RoadWarriorSammy]

I think we can always expect Vince to screw things up.

[RoadWarriorSammy]

MBWrestler made a video about this as well eplaining that predictabilty can go 50/50 depending on the match and storyline. I tend to agree with this video more.

[ledzeppelinandthewho]

I like unpredictability in all art forms. When I'm watching a sitcom, I know that the status quo will remain. They won't get that money or they will manage to save the family from going under. I wish they would become unpredictable. But being unpredictable for the sake of being unpredictable is not usually a good thing.

[devioz864]

I would love to see others play a heel role instead of just Edge cause even back in the day Flair shared the spotlight with many heels, why wasnt the great khali even put in the Elimination Chamber?

[RoadWarriorSammy]

Because he would have stunk up the match like he did last year.

[RoderickStrong]

True, but Kozlov filled that void this year, and stunk up the match

[RoadWarriorSammy]

I geuss they perpously book dead weight wrestlers on the Smackdown chamber match to make the RAW chamber match seem better. Last year it was Khali and Big Daddy V, this year it was Kozlov and Big Show.

HHH and Taker worked their damndest to make it work though.

[HurtingYourFeelings]

RoderickStrong is a faggot

not the wrestler, the faggot using a Youtube channel called "RoderickStrong"

Pass it On.

[cricketsam64]

no go and spam somewhere else

[devioz864]

I don't know then maybe its just me because i wanna see so much more wrestling then just wwe 24/7, should i accept the fact that the WWE is doing ok for TV these days or continue to march on and explain to everyone that we do need those monday night wars again we do need territories and companies going head to head, we want to see competition and not wrestling soap operas, we want to see a fight to the finish matches and not a get kicked in the head and its already over match?

[Peterslam922]

Edge has been sneakly winning titles (8) since the first month of 2006 when he cashed the money in the bank in. since then he has continued to shock me with unpredctible actions. even though he has done it so many times now he still manages to make things unpredictable making him a great wrestler

[rockin76]

So, after Raw, it looks like its gonna be Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker at WM. It'll be a great match needless to say. The question is: Do you think that Michaels is the guy to end the streak? I know he thinks he is. I think the streak has become the "torch" to be "passed" in this day and age. I just can't see where anything is gained by HBK stopping the streak. He retired Flair; that should be enough. Seems to me, that torch should be passed to the "next" bearer, not the current headliner. wdyt

[RoadWarriorSammy]

HBK/Taker at mania can only be booked to deliver the expectation that it will be a classic match and nothing more, of course HBK isn't eligible enough to end the streak and I don't think Taker or the WWE will let that happen.

[rockin76]

You make some very good points about formulated plots and predictable outcomes. I am pretty much the same way w/ being able to extrapolate the conclusions of movies, books, etc. I am convinced that watching wrestling my whole life (30 yrs or so) has helped me with this and to see through the details and get to the crux of the issue and get to an acceptable end. You are right, predictability is what keeps people tuning in because most love to feel like they are "in the know"

[thisherethatthere]

Most of the time things are predictable because there is no other logical course to follow. I would rather have something make sense rather than ask why at the end of a good story.

I think more often than not predictability is confused with the "superman effect". It is not that you know the outcome but the villian is the one who appears to be fighting an uphill battle.

[balllliiiiinnnn]

I totally agree wih you predictablity has its positives and negatives.

[kotk05]

Agreed, you gotta be predictable just so when you do something unpredictable, it'll have a bigger surprise.

[afanofwrestling]

another intresting video

I thought Unforgiven was good but not great, I personally thought Million Dollar Baby was his best (directing)

Momento was fucking great

I'm suprised that many were suprised that Matt was the attacker, half way through I figured out it was him.

[RoadWarriorSammy]

Unforgiven is a classic for fans of Eastwoods western films, me included.

But yeah, he has done better films. Mystic River is my personal favourite.

[spfan68]

In my opinion it's sorta bad because like cena and HHH always win and i think knowing that those guys will win all the time is bad, but it's not that bad of a thing. Aparently 1 of the reasons my friend got out of wrestling is the predictablity factor but oh well it's just 1 person.

[Nic1700]

The best movies when it comes to plot twist are The Prestiege,War, and Righteous Kill; I'd recomend them all.

I can't think of any old ones besides the ones you mentioned maybe.

I think predictability in wrestling is just like swerves in wrestling its all good when it makes sense. Theyre neccisary or the swerves won't mean a thing. If your eating icecream with a lot of candy pieces in it, you care about them. But eating icecream with few candy peices makes it that much better when u get one.

[NothingButLetters]

I agree.

IMHO, one of the best strories in the last few years was Batista-Trips, and you can see what was going to happen there a mile away.

[XCQTE]

Unforgiven (Eastwood) broke a lot of stereotypical Western traits, which is why it is looked upon as so great. Things like having a coloured person (Freeman) starring as a hero(anti-hero..whatever...), having the good guys wearing black etc are almost never done in Westerns. I agree regarding the stroyline, but as far as the film goes as a whole, it is completely unformulaic.

[metal71144]

I think Predictability was happenning a little to much since WWE got its "Aditude Ajustment'

[hulk1hogan1]

i couldn't agree more with this video. predictability is not a bad thing at all as long as they deliver and give you something entertaining.

[MisterDynamite]

I don't mind predictability just as long as the events are good enough to doubt it.

[RoadWarriorSammy]

Exactly!

Example: last sundays ppv.

[thwjustin3]

You mean TNA right?

[RoadWarriorSammy]

No. WWE. I don't watch TNA.

[easy414]

i have an idea JUST DONT FUCKEN GUESS THE OUTCOME

[cricketsam64]

why do they have book pro wrestling who cares about storylines look how many people watch mma and they don't have storylines.

[FriedKitties]

They're two different things.

Have you ever seen unscripted Pro Wrestling? I think Vince Russo was part of a promotion that was sort of like that.

It's not pretty.

Both men have to work together to put on a match.

[cricketsam64]

no i have'nt but it would be intesting to see who would be champ if they just did basic wrestling moves it might be kk in unscipted pro wrestling

[nlp3000]

watch some old Pancrase matches. seriously.

[CheesyTater]

I agree that something being predictable is not a bad thing, sometimes it makes things better. Take last night on RAW, I think everyone knew that Randy Orton will face Triple H at Wrestlemania. So for that whole segment where Randy was fighting Shane, and hit Stephanie with the RKO, I was just waiting for HHH to come out. And where HHH did finally run out there was so much anticipation that it made it so much more exciting.

[69TDK92]

What is your opinion on WWE revealing the competitors in SD's EC.

[Cyrus4488]

You see if you say a fixed sport is predictable... thats like a double negative... because its fixed you know... Its irony at its finest!!! Predictability exists of course...

For example.... Come Vengeance 2007.... Edge vs Batisa, Last Chance... for the WHC... I KNEW Edge was winning... however... throughout the match I was so into the near falls of Batista because I was thinking he would get the pin...

There is predictability but when you get into the match, it simply goes away....

[nightmareballa1]

The Usual Suspects is an awesome movie.

[superhappyfunslide2]

no way out was good i got both the chamber matches wrong i never saw the whc title changing hands

[yourmaster789]

predictability isn't bad it's just had the hell raped out of it with edge's angle it's like..... every 3 weeks he dose something like that. Predictability is done right with the undertaker someone talks shit hes gone to show up and throw them in a casket or chock slam them i have now problem with that because he dose what 3 4 times a year depending on the current angle

[potmanbox]

Predictability pwns!

[KingPiccolo001]

Battlestar Gallatica airs on Sky1 in the UK btw

[GoldStandard00924]

I think predictability depends on the plot of a story. If there was a certain stipulation in play, most of the time the protagonist will win. Like the JBL/HBK match 2 nights ago, for example. It was an All or Nothings match and where it would the storyline leads after that match. I hear that word alot especially in wrestling. "Like wow look at the ppv. It's sooo predictable." Some people at times get sarcastic.

[TheMountainMan84]

Edge's random entrances into matches are getting a little old. I mean, this is like the 3rd time in the past few months he has been involved in something like this.

[victimsofthefuture]

Edge must have a golden ticket with management or with Vince, because he is almost always in the spotlight, and always wins titles (even though he tends to have short title runs). Seems like he can almost write his own ticket like HHH or Michaels. I don't see the fascination with him really. If it's true that Vince likes wrestlers who look huge and intimidating, I don't know why Edge is constantly pushed.

[badxskin]

wow. Edge has the talent that's why. He got the skills thats why. He worked TLC matches even back in 00-01, and he was funny back then. Now, when he came back few years ago as a heel, i didnt know he could be that good. HHH, HBK, Edge not just have *golden tickets* but they really were credible enough coz they got what it is to have titles

[Twiztedgoalie]

Would unpredictability work as a gimmick? Imagine just some random faction called Swerve. They do random things in matches and backstage that no one expects. that's their whole gimmick. Would that be acceptable?

[KingPiccolo001]

I hope Russo doesn't read YT

[SmackdownRanger]

I think it's too late for that the way TNA is right now

[MclarryOtto]

The whole thing with Edge and him winning the way he has, has been too predictable. After Edge lost the first match, I knew somehow he would be champion before the end of the night. Everytime Edge does a "Surprise" appearance in a match that has to do with a title, you KNOW he's going to win.

[DramaMC]

and yet if nothing had happened would you be complaining or would you then change your prediction to "oh well edge will win it back next weeks smackdown" Seriously, if nothing had happened with edge at the rest of that ppv you'd have felt unfulfilled

[justinharriott]

but honestly if edge didnt do that the PPV wuda been alot worst the raw chamber wuda sucked

[victimsofthefuture]

When the WWE or TNA leaks a PPV poster for a PPV that is 6 months from now, and you can pretty much tell who will be headlining and/or champion, then that is a bad thing as far as predictability goes.

[JoeyFNBlue]

Koslov was on the No Way Out poster..... did that ruin anything?

[naraicks]

HAIRCUT!!!!!!!!!!

[warsman111]

i like to be surprised thats why i watch lost. Each week has something shocking and it keeps you wanting more. That is why lost is so great.

[mentoch]

Battlestar Gallactica rules.

[dsalchow]

Did you see the ending coming in 'Titanic?' =)

[TSlay1974]

actualy the end with the neckless not so much.

[PeoplesElbow316]

I never thought The Hurricane would ever beat The Rock. That was definitely unpredictable to me.

[12TNAbuDDay18]

dude youre just jaded through wrestling or whatever.... get stonned and watch wrestling and it shuts off the predictability in your brain haha

now raw made the ppv less shitty but as a ppv it was very predictable... edge going over is standard via the character but it kills his credibility to me... but he actually won so it wasnt terrible but hopefully mania will fix everythign

[RoderickStrong]

Fans should keep in mind that Unpredictability let to World Champion David Arquette

[AlexKincaid]

This is actually brilliant analysis of the way wrestling works. Your reviews are nice, but this is even better.

[RoderickStrong]

Predictability is not a bad thing, unless it's in TNA lately. Because you can all predict that when a Frontline member is in the ring with an MEM member, that Frontline Member is either going to get buried.

[UltimateVictory88]

C'mon, the sixth sense had the biggest twist in the end? Anyone disagree?

[azcandace]

I agree, I'm not usually bothered by knowing the outcome of a match. Sometimes though the outcome should be unknown but like with the Shawn Michaels vs JBL match on Sunday I knew he'd win but I didn't care and like you said it's all about how you get there.

[NYG4LIFE123]

Well in wrestling I've always said that there is a difference between what is expected to happen & what has to happen.

The main event to Wrestlemania XIV was predictable as hell. We all knew Austin was going to win the title but it was what the fans wanted to happen & if it didnt happen, it would have been very bad.

Fast forward to WM2K where we expected Rock to win the title, but HHH retained. That was a twist that was really bad & it ended WM2K on an unnecessary downer.

[NYG4LIFE123]

But on the flip side, surprises can be very good. Now we all expected Cena to retain the title at NWO the other night, but he didn't via more dirty tricks from Edge. Cena losing was not expected, but it was a shock that was well done & got the fans talking.

So I think it all depends on what you're doing. Predictability is good & bad depending on the situation.

[thenegotiator3]

There is a comon rule when writing drama. "Things must never be predictable but always probable." And I think wrestling shouldn't be thought of any different.

However due to the fact that wrestling is telling the story of a fight, where naturally anyone can won. This makes unpredictability in wrestling an important advantage over other mediums of entertainment.

The examples that you used of unpredictable storylines that didn't work are examples of when they lost sight of "Always probable."

[TSlay1974]

Very well said.

[DanielBamford1986]

Excellent comment.

Although there is the question of what is 'probable' in fiction? Do you suspend disbelief to work out 'probable'? Or is it purely based upon what can is 'explainable' through the story itself. It's not an easy thing to resolve i dont think.

[thenegotiator3]

Well that's the art of storytelling. You must surprise people but also never have them doubt that the surprise was probale to happen. Explaining it afterwards, through the story itself never works. Yet it happens in wrestling much to often, in my opinion. For example when Randy Orton explained why Shane McMahon was able to beat up legacy a few weeks back. Explaining that he told them not to fight back. That wasn't good.

[thenegotiator3]

You're right, you do suspend disbelief to work out Probable. It is vital to suspend disbelief so as the audience don't question the "unpredictable" surprise.

[BigDaddy0207]

What do you think of the new Friday the 13th? I liked it some things someone could bitch about but I liked it. I heard that they are making modern classic with Chuckie, Jason, Freddy, etc..what are your thoughts? I also think that wrestling does need that predictability not all the time but sometimes like HHH vs Orton was fine and many knew it was him on the phone. I think that Christian on ECW ruined the return I thought he should have been the attacker. Good Video TSlayer

[ratnick]

Predictability isn't so bad as long as we get surprised from time to time. And the only way we can get surprised is when we think we know what will happen but are proven wrong. To me it's like a love/hate type of relationship. You gotta have a little bit of both to make both work!

[Dante1Savage]

did he even mention fight club?

[sloan07]

lol my mom loves watching battlestar!

[Dante1Savage]

I can't believe you have said you stard to question the nWo angle just 2 months in. What a statemant to make and a ridiculous one. Also be honest you didn't see Hogans turn coming; considering people in the WWE have said they had no idea. Oh and lets not forget Hall, Nash and Bischoff unsure if it was going to happen until the night and even during the ppv when Hogan arrived.

[TSlay1974]

Um it was reported the he COULD be turning heal the day before. The question was would he no one was sure if he was going to or not but everyone knew that is what they wanted to do. Oh and yes I did question the angle about 2 months in becouse GIANT joining was STUPID. As was DDP not joining.

[Dante1Savage]

I completely dissagree about Giant joining, why was that stupid. As for DDP the intention was for him never to join; he became a real "superstar" by the angle he had as he was the first person to really get to Hall/Nash. Dallas then went onto become one of the most over guess of the glory days of WCW and had a great run. As nWo member he would have been overshadowed by Hogan Hall and Nash. Keeping him out of the Order did him better off.

[TSlay1974]

Um where did you hear he was never ment to join the NWO? It was Hogans call for him not to join as Hall and Nash was how he was supsot to have gotten back into WCW. A story line the droped becouse of that.

[Dante1Savage]

I'm not fully sure on the second part of your response but from listening to Dallas, Hall and Nash they describe the Angle to be how it went down. And it worked out fantastic for DDP. hall has sais that he wanted to do the angle to help out Dallas as a friend who helped him in the past. Think how over it got Dallas. The nWo actualy wanted him for months and tried to get him but he turns his back and Cutters Hall and leaves through his people. He's a made man after that.

[LV5454]

Predictability is not a bad thing in wrestling to me. Only thing w/ me is how you get their as far as you said in your vid. However I think the amount of times you do the same thing over and over again is what is going to kill it for me. Predictibility must be a good thing, especially if we as wrestling fans still watch wrestling. If it wasnt needed IMO we still wouldnt have as much of a wrestling fan base as we do now.

[Dante1Savage]

i think you've finally lost it.

[TSlay1974]

Um why?

[Dante1Savage]

because wrestling is sold like a contest so if you do not have an elemant of unpredictability then people are not going to be able to enjoy it like that. In every form of entertainment there is unpredictability. You spoke of story archs in movies and yes there is todorovs theory but that doesn't make a film necesarily predictable. In wrestling you need unpredictability or else it becomes boring and stale. You just said your fav show was so good because of its unpredictability.

[TSlay1974]

It might be sold like a contest but its not looked at like one by most people. Do you need unpredictablity yes..but you have people saying you need it ALL THE TIME. Or even if you have a good story line its "Bad" Becouse it was predictable,

[Dante1Savage]

The most "unpredictable" booking I have seen is the worst WCW 2000 as it had zero direction. I however am saying that you should never be able to watch Raw and know what will happen to the point where when it does you haven't got any reason to watch. I think on PPV and TV Matches should be able to be won by both wrestlers otherwise I am unable to suspend my disbelief. As for Booking, I want to be entertained and not know that were simply gonna have a run in then RKO.

[DanielBamford1986]

Todorov Equilibrium? I think youre bang on the money. The end equilibrium is never the same as the beginning, and while the patterns are repeated due to the apparent success of that template, the content within those patterns, the subtleties of the 'disruption', give each piece of art uniqueness. Todorov isnt exactly concerned with explaining why people like arts, but his analysis does tend to indicate that people affiliate with genre requisites plus internal 'disruption'. aka unpredictability

[jmmtlc]

i made this point on a no way out review on wrestlezone.

[flakyjon]

I like unpredictability sometimes. There just has to be a balance. I loved seeing Orton win at Mania last year.

[MeNcIaIsM72]

What gives you the right to criticize Tslay?

It's his opinion, deal with it.

[ringofedwin]

Was hogan turning heel unpredictable for you ts?

[dannybammy]

Wrestlings has allways been predictable Like between the 80s sutch as hogan allways bating the heels Just so the fans can be exsited.

[TimDJ84]

Oh and if not clear,I do not just mean match wise.I am talking predictability in terms of the non-wrestling aspects as well.

[TimDJ84]

I am a firm believer in predictability being bad.Sure to an extent i find it ok,but the WWE does it over,and over,and over.

not only is it generally predictable,but it is also rather boring.

[smfrocks247]

predictable: HBK beats JBL and goes against Undertaker

Unpredictable: JBL gets a quick roll up on HBK then goes against Undertaker ....

Need I say more

[111CLANCY111]

Yeah evan if you know whos going to win doesnt make the match bad.

Thanks for vid

[cryptopsyamon]

most (90%) of TV shows are pure crap meant for mindless shit bags imo. I DO agree with being able to predict what is going to happen does not hinder wrestling. Great video as usual bub.

[Jerichoholic610]

i have to agree with truthslayer on that one. edge/cena has had some damn good matches. and orton/hhh always work well together

[MohamedM360]

where do u live

[imheretoraisehell316]

What about Undertakers streak? How come you didn't mention on how predictable it is before getting into the match and how WWE and Undertaker make us go "i fold my cards, i have no idea who's gonna win this" (e.g. WM24,23,21,18,17,14,13.12)

Salute.

[TSlay1974]

It sliped my mind or I would have.

[imheretoraisehell316]

Ah wells, a Guru mistake.

Salute.

[Dante1SavageFilms]

I agree on some level, look at TNA, getting nowhere with thier unpredictable Russo style.

[ThaTopDogg13]

Thats great and at same time problem with Wrestling its almost impossible to hide anything from Wrestling fans anymore because of the internet. I think your right though it doesnt matter really knowing what a match ending is before it happens for example its how it gets there thats the good thing then again it can be the bad part if not done right.

[sroeballs]

I don't think fans are angy with the predictability of the product. As you said, no one gets angry if we predict the outcome but the journey is awesome.

I think what's irking people is the fact that we can all forsee the SAME feuds & results happening again & again.

So in my opinion it boils down to repitition & not predictability.

Who seriously wants Cena v Edge again or Hunter v Orton again (even though I'm sure the guys will pull out all of the stops for Mania)

[TSlay1974]

Cena vs Orton don't work well togather HHH vs Orton do. I don't think most people want to see Edge vs HHH either. But Edge vs Cena is Your #1 Face vs #1 Heel which should always happen at WM IMO. If Batista was not hurt I am sure we would get Cena vs Batista and which would you rather see realy?

[WWE4everRocks]

yes you was right tslay.

its ortonh vs HHH at mania and edge vs cena works well with the good promo.

do you think , that hbk will face undertaker ??

[flakyjon]

I thought Cena vs. Orton at SS was pretty good, but yeah I'd much rather see HHH vs. Orton. I can't remember what PPV it was, but one had the main event of Edge vs. HHH and it damn near put me to sleep.

[AJStylesFan231]

it was the great american bash 2008 edge vs HHH if that is what your thinking

[DanielBamford1986]

There's actually quite an extensive debate on the aesthetics of predictability, and one of the consensuses of the 90s was that 'American' audiences tended to favour predictability. this consensus has largely been abandoned because it isnt FOREsight that must be predictable, on the contrary - uncertainty there is more aesthetically appealing - but a satisfying resolution that is in hindsight logical is required.

[DanielBamford1986]

Take the film Oldboy for example **SPOILER**. There is no hint in the film that the revenge you think coming is in fact the resulting revenge of another. In hindsight, when presented the context, the audience (even north american audiences who traditionally were seen to be opposed to this) were very satisfied with the retrospective predictability. it is a kind of reverse dramatic irony. you dont see it coming, but once given the full context, it makes perfect sense.

[DanielBamford1986]

And that is the aesthetic of predictability. It isnt a bad thing per se, but the general aesthetics convention is to avoid it while remaining within the pattern of internal logic, coherence and consequence. It's not an attempt to fool the audience, but simply to allow them to see it unravel themselves once the information is presented (Usual Suspects is a fantastic example of this... did you not thoroughly enjoy the film?) :)

[TSlay1974]

That is fine and dandy but then explain sitcoms they are the most formulaic and predictable TV shows there are yet they are usualy the most secsussful. High Concept shows usualy don't do well. yes I love Usual Suspects but at the same time it's not a film everyone likes..becouse of the ending.

[DanielBamford1986]

Formulaic is different from predictable. Formulaic writing is the widespread practice, because even e.g. Italo Calvino's postmodernist anti-formula themselves are formula by parodying formula. The point isnt that the formula is predictable or unpredictable, but that the unravelling of information is in a canon and agreeable manner to the audience. if that means it sits within their comfort zone, that is the source of the aesthetic, not the foresight or lack thereof.

[TSlay1974]

that is why I said Formulaic and predictable. Becouse they are usualy both. Another Good Example would be The Harry Potter books OR Romance Novels

[DanielBamford1986]

it's been long established that predictability in romance is not the source of aesthetic appreciation, even right back to Coleridge. of course popular literature may be predictable. but your argument is predicated on you being able to prove that aesthetic value comes from predictability. the general consensus in aesthetics is that it is peripheral at best. internal canonical logic IS a source, which may lead to predictability, but the two are not mutually exclusive or requisite.

[DanielBamford1986]

Knowing e.g. that homer simpson is never going to end an episode a millionaire does not prevent the unravelling of information over the course of an episode that was not foreseen from the beginning. the episodes contain more than just the honouring of the predictable and the formula. if it didnt, you would find its aesthetic appeal would be completely lost.

[TSlay1974]

That is fine but as someone that KNOWS..Tell that to a publishing house for romance novels. Unless you are a NAME they want a predictable story that fallows a formula. The, they being the people that BUY the books, want something that if familiar to them. Predictability and fallowing a common formula adds to the familiarity.

[DanielBamford1986]

You've just falsely equated familiarity with predictability, thrown it in with ad homs, to address a strawman of my position. you havent showcased how predictability is anything close to an aesthetic criteria for appreciating any piece of art. forget even getting to an argument where you can establish that 'too much predictability' is an invalid criticism.

[DanielBamford1986]

my argument against that sort of criticism would revolve around them mistaking predictability for repetition. The objections to me seem to revolve around needless repetition and banality. Both of which are accepted ways of criticising art. Its easier to roll that way than trying to disprove 200 years of aesthetics simply by listing examples of things that SOME people like, and claim that this justifies an entire new principle.

[ThaTopDogg13]

Problem is that your 100% right people want Predictability but just dont admit it. What I mean is people get on internet and get on wrestling web sites and dirt sheets to hear and find out all the insider stuff whos been signed by WWE or TNA for example whos been released what storyline has been leaked and so on then when it happens they bitch and complain cause they knew ahead of time. Its like having friend tell you what happens in a movie then watching it and being mad cause you know ending

[liberate29]

Talking in movie terms: You can have Memento unpredictability, or you can have Hancock unpredictability.

If people know what's coming but it is delivered in a solid way, people won't mind. Like No Way Out, when I saw Edge enter the 2nd EC I knew he was going to win, but the way it was delivered and the way he wrestled Mysterio made me enjoy it.

Then you have the unenjoyable swerves, that's in a way what TNA likes to do, and it makes the product not so watchable.

Fight Club is a great

[177baba3]

completely agree man. the trick tho is BALANCE. u need to balance both predictability AND unpredictability. if you lean more towards one, problems WILL come. the wwe has been doing a pretty good job tho these past 6 months and to me it was more HOW they did things than HOW IT ENDED like u said. cuz i mean cmon, in these days of wrestling its very hard to not be completely unpredictable with so many things that have been done.

[devioz864]

even when the wwe was the wwf u at least saw hulk hogan as champ one year then it was bret hart or the macho man or ric flair it wasnt ric flair stealing the wwf title from hulk hogan year after year after year after year thats why he famous for being a 17 something time champion do you think it gonna sound good years from now to hear edge be a 250-time world champion? creativity and production is at its low and thats why we have critics really wanting to see some good wrestling to remember.

[TSlay1974]

No you saw Flair doing that in the NWA. Edge comming back and winning the title is part of his gimmick and its why he is the most over heel in wrestling right now. HBK vs JBL was to predictable becouse even the fans in the area knew what was going to happen to the point that they didnt' care. If you think people don't like seeing the same thing happen over and over again check the the monday night wars if something worked they ran it into the ground.

[RurouniNall]

i just dont think that BG is a show for most people, i dont think Sci Fi is that popular expect for people that like sci fi stuff

[devioz864]

i think predictability is so bad right now is cause the same thing is happennng every year i think i've seen edge come back 4 or 5 times already and he has robbed someone of a title 4 or 5 times already and u just don't see anything new.

[bbu0815]

I spot the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy as extended edition... Kill Bill 1+2 (about 10 DVD to left of LotR)

[dinosauravenger1989]

I agree completely and I was going to do a video on it myself. Predictability can be good or bad, same with unpredictability. Whether something is good or bad shouldn't be decided on how predictable it is. I may make a video response.

[TSlay1974]

Please do :)

[ratedrsuperstar28]

well i fink it wod be better if taker vs hbk was not Predictable it will be still a great match jst better if u cant tell how is goin 2 win

[volkert314]

A little bit of both. You can have predictability, but if there's a great build up or just what you think can be a great match, you're going to enjoy, but at the same time have some unpredictability(like NWO from Sunday) has to keep fans on their toes, because fans are smarter now than they used to be.

[TSlay1974]

I agree but you have people who want things to be unpredictable all the time and that just cant happen.

[volkert314]

Agreed. I honestly don't see it being possible to keep being unpredictable all the time, I don't see see how any promotion whether it's WWE, ROH or TNA can keep it up like that all the time.

[TSlay1974]

A few weeks ago went and saw Underworld 3 and Benjerman buttons before that that suprised me on how it ended.

[Nule2k]

You cant have one without the other really other it just is.

[Adampro123]

For me in wrestling when stuff is so predictable it has always hurt it.

but its not like that all the time. i mean you gotta have your regular shows and stuff most of the time. but throw something in the mix to spice it up.

I dunno. just for me personally i don't like when stuff is predictable. especially in wrestling. and for me the outcomes do mean something. thats why i try not to read results to ROH shows before i watch them and why i get backed up on there PPVS.

[jamesqaz08]

If Everything In Wrestling Was Unpredictable, Wrestlemania &

The Royal Rumble would just Be Anougher PPV, WWE have A Good

Balance Of Predictablity & Unpredictability

I expected No Way Out To Be A Averrage PPV cause Mania is so close but No Way Out Was Great.

[bradelz]

Fantastic again TSlay.

I never seem to comment your videos.

Just thought i would let you know i still watch them! :)

I agree with this argument, for example, people know that Know one is ever going to beat the undertaker, yet people still say 'I cant wait for Undertaker to verse this guy.. or that guy'

Because they think it will just be a great match, regardless of the finish.

[creeksideveteran]

Just like this year vs HBK, Taker will win but it should be a classic match.

[smeefan]

Another good example to something being predictable in wrestling but came out great was HBK vs Ric Flair. Everybody knew HBK was gonna win but the build up and the match was pretty much perfect and alot of people say that was the Match of the year.

[NYGiantsFtw1]

Yeah, I knew it was gonna be HHH vs Orton but nothing wrong with it being that, because it is a really good idea with the HHH being part of the Mcmahon family..predictability is good if it makes sence.

[jaydub8907]

Man, we are like one in the same mind, lmao. I was gonna make a video about this same thing.

But people are whiners. Last night, it was "WWE isn't even planning on WrestleMania. We don't know what's gonna happen."

After RAW, it was "WWE is so predictable. We knew what the WM matches were gonna be."

On predictability: it's not where you go, it's now you get there.

[jaydub8907]

*how you get there.

[lupul]

Cut your hair you ya homo