Let's Build A Bridge - Michael English and First Call

[jbailesjr]

Mike's book was a great read and a classic case study in God's wonderful grace. I certainly hope with all my heart that Marabeth has discovered His beautiful grace as well and is strong in the Lord and has a happy life.

[mismestera]

I think this music is so cheezy...and their outfits..I think M. Enlish has a good voice, but how could he be singing up there whilst having an affair with 1 of the chicks on stage? Money I guess. He should have confessed earlier. I guess it's America and too many things fly.

[lgp1987]

Hey y'all could you please be in prayer for Michael's mom. She's not doing to well, and there's power in prayer. Mike would do the same for you he's a good brother in Christ. Thank you.

[friendofInks]

I just noticed that when he says, "Life has it's problems and hands us pain", he looks over at Marabeth. at about 1:17

[gragdoll]

I loved listening to Michael then and still do. I'm so happy is singing again. We all make mistakes, and praise God, by His grace we can be forgiven! I'm just relieved that I do not have to deal with my mistakes in the public eye and with scrutiny that Michael had to endure, and I'm sure in some respects still does. He is forgiven and that is what matters now. God doesn't drudge up past sins that He has forgiven. We shouldn't either.

[interpreter2006]

@gragdoll Awesome comment! Thanks.  :)

[soonersfan2030]

What Ever Happen To Marabeth Jordan? Is Michael English Still Singing?

[pogTiago]

@soonersfan2030 Marabeth's now a painter. I actually had contact with her​and she told me she no longer follows Christianity. She said kind of that.

You good looking interviews with Bonnie Keen. She tells this story. I even remember Bonnie said that she and Marty lived warning Michael and Marabeth, because they seemed very close...

It all made me feel sad, I was a fan of hers, of First Call.

[miamibabii77]

MARABETH JORDAN WAS PREGNANT HERE AND LATER HAD A MISCARRIAGE .. SHE TOLD MICHEAL SHE WAS PREGNANT TWO DAYS BEFORE THIS

[hughesjr]

I know what happened next and I'm not making any excuses for Mr. English. But it's hard being a handsome guy in the Christian Music industry.

[qwcN34Z786]

We are ALL born into sin....not one of us is perfect..... World!!!........that is why Jesus was sent. Keep singing Michael!!!

[thisux7x7]

@qwcN34Z786 I like the grace everyone gives the people that fall when they are way up high...However; I don't think that a person in the limelight and supposedly an influence on the world does anything except distance the non-believers when they fall. They fall hard! and take allot of people with them when they go down. It;s fine to forgive, but you lose your potential to ever be faithful, and that's a fact regardless of any opinion out there. Too many people capitalize on churchiness today.

[glidsy]

It is so sad to see some of the post you have put up about Mike, I know Mike and yes he has sin in his life just like me, maybe not you, but I sure do, and you want to preach the grace of God but do not offer when others need it...hmmm but that is why makes people not turn to "your" god, because apparently he does not forgive, but the God Mike and I serve does not remember a thing for it is as far as the east is to the west when he forgives!

[lgp1987]

Hey interpreter. You know you can screen the comments and get rid of the stupid people. Who thumb down our comments of praise toward out loving and forgiving God, and his son, our Savior Jesus Christ. And lifting up our brother Mike.

[Beelzebird]

well, he's not exactly our poster boy in the effort to protect marriage.

[lgp1987]

He mad some mistakes, but I'd say his marriage to Marcie is one of the best I've seen.

[Beelzebird]

did you ever meet him?

[TVWriterGuy]

Yes. My TV career began at TBN where I witnessed way too much when the cameras were off.

[lgp1987]

Yes but praise God for his redemptions and I believe Mike would say that first hand. And I can testify to it as well. Just because we're Christians doesen't make us any less human and infallable.

[lgp1987]

Why? Why have I been thumbed down and buried? Because I'll stand by my brother and say "you're forgiven" just as Jesus for gave us all when he died on the cross accepting our punishment.

[Blakjakkat]

I have to agree with that one...lol.

[theway146]

Chokemychiken, do you come on all the Christian videos to argue with the Christians and sell your belief or just the singers who have made horrible mistakes? Aren't their appropriate forums for that??

[GuilleCub]

Oh God.... Thats AWESOME!! I love Angelo & Veronica Petrucci, MIchael and First Call....

Amazing performace

[hdflsky]

cs and choke, in the end ur discussion had absolutely nothing to do with Micheal English's performance. Interesting read though. For the record i'm with cs on this one. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. It can't be explained.

[chopped50ford]

The greatest of them all I Jesus and he loves us unconditionally. No matter what we could think or do. He already knows our hearts before it happens. To pass judgment is not the answer, God tells us to forgive, not pass judgement. Im happy to hear M.English is being blessed, as he should according to Gods will.

[deboraheparker05]

Welcome back to Jesus, Michael! Isn't it great to know that you're forgiven? :-) ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (yes, even you, GOP71), so I will not cast stones of "disappointment"... but I will welcome you back with open arms, just as Jesus has!

[ChristianKidsShowFan]

Irony, thy name is the Dove Awards.

[jlmrocha]

th woman presenting in the beginning is Amy Grant, isn't she? please answer this. thanks!

[Linguist1967]

Yes, she is.

[jluck224]

i'm a big michael english fan. but i'm not a big fan of him now. he doesn't sound as bridge.i'm glad he learned his lesson

[jcrobso]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

[DeepBlueCheesecake]

WOW, FinCups, what a sanctimonious thing to say! There were obviously no boundaries in their lives? Dude... people sin because we suck. Boundaries are good, yes, but when the flesh rises up, only grace can catch us. Your comment implies that maybe everything would have been fine if only there had been a good "system" in place to keep it from happening. You have no idea how much the people around them might have been trying to save them from themselves.

[FinCups]

Wow - how sad to know all what happened - What an age old problem. There were obviously no boundaries in the peoples lives to make that not happen.

[Campbejn]

Thank-you for this

[GOP71]

its enough to make one cry to think of how how big English could be if he did not just fall away in the way he did. So disappointing.

[joyr36]

I'm glad Michael English has his life straighten out and I hope everyone else who was involed or affected has found peace also. He is a great singer and I think God is using him more now than ever. You can see the pain on everyone's face in this video. No one even smiles at anyone else on stage.

[chokemychiken]

"It ended up being the last performance by First Call with Marabeth Jordon as a member. (If you don't know why, message me or email me!)"

I'll save you the trouble. She's the chick who Michael knocked up while they were both married to other people. He announced it only a about a week after this performance, yet they both did this show with a straight face. Obviously if she hadn't gotten pregnant nothing would've changed. But, no matter, Michael's voice kicks ass. religious dogma=slavery

[cschott64]

Living without Jesus=slavery. Without Jesus, you're a slave to sin and desires that you are powerless to stop. You will not truly know peace until you know Jesus. It's harder to live as a Christian than it is to live as though there is no God. But, as the saying goes, if you're going to live as though there is no God, in the end, you'd better be right.

[chokemychiken]

Living without Mohammed=slavery. Without Buddha, you're a slave to sin and desires that you are powerless to stop. You will not truly know peace until you know Confucius. It's harder to live as a Hare Krishna than it is to live as though there is no Vishnu. But, as the saying goes, if you're going to live as though there is no Allah, in the end, you'd better be right.

[cschott64]

choke, I will pray for you. You've obviously got a Jesus-sized hole in your life. Satan has succeeded in confusing your mind. I pray that you will seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness...May God bless you.

[chokemychiken]

cschott64, I will pray for you. You've obviously got a Buddha-sized hole in your life. Mara has succeeded in confusing your mind. I pray that you will seek first the Kingdom of Shambhala and its righteousness...May Bodhisattva bless you.

[cschott64]

Atheism:

The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits which then became dinosaurs.

Makes sense to me.

[chokemychiken]

"Atheism:

The belief that there was nothing..."

And so right off the bat, you fail and demonstrate you don't know what you're talking about. Not only in your presumption that I'm an atheist, but also that anyone believes there was ever a time when there was nothing. This completely contradicts known science, specifically the laws of conservation of matter and thermodynamics, i.e., matter & energy are neither created nor destroyed. Your entire post is a nonsequitur fallacy.

[chokemychiken]

Creationism:

The belief that there was nothing & nothing happened to the nothing to magically make a word from the nothing & that word was god yet with god & that word then magically created everything for no reason other than its own amusement & magically rearranged everything in 6 days but in such a way that scientifically indicates natural evolution of ~14 trillion years, not 6 days & by natural processes, not magic words.

Doesn't make sense to me.

But of course, it's about faith, not sense.

[cschott64]

I assure you, choke, it takes much more of your faith in your "beliefs" than it does mine. You mentioned the first law of thermodynamics (glad you brought it up). Because energy can be neither created nor destroyed, and because mass energy equivalence states that all mass has energy, if there is no god, then matter either came into existence out of nothing (fallacy?) or it existed eternally. I'll wait while you read that again. Done? Good. To be continued...

[cschott64]

It is also scientific fact that we exist in the dimensions of space and time. Time can be seen as a measurement of change. That means as long as matter exists, time exists. Matter cannot simply always have existed, because time cannot always have existed...and this is why...time cannot be eternal because that would mean it has no beginning and no end. If time goes back infinitely, then we couldn't be here right now because an infinite amount of time cannot pass. (Hang in there, friend...)

[cschott64]

(Almost done...) So we can logically determine that time is finite. Since that is true, it can't be created in the dimension of time. If God exists outside of time, then He is eternal and doesn't need a beginning or end, or a creator. I Kings 8:27 states God exists in such a way. If you think matter came into existence out of nothing, then you aren't a rational thinker. If you think matter always existed, ask yourself THIS question: Could there always have been a "yesterday?" Enjoy...

[chokemychiken]

"It is also scientific fact that we exist in the dimensions of space and time."

Well, dimensions of space at least, 3, length, width, & depth. Time seems to be 1 dimensional, length, and that's about it as far as I can tell. Unless those "time if the fourth dimension of space" folks are right.

"Matter cannot simply always have existed"

And yet it has, as the law of conservation states.

[chokemychiken]

"because time cannot always have existed"

Yet you yourself just asserted the premise that it is time's existence that is dependent on matter, not the existence of matter that is dependent on the existence of time["That means as long as matter exists, time exists"], thus you contradict your own premise. Not only that, but you failed to demonstrate the necessity/validity of the premise in the first place.

[chokemychiken]

"time cannot be eternal because that would mean it has no beginning and no end"

If having no beginning or end means something can't be eternal, then a god can't be eternal because it would have no beginning or end.

"If time goes back infinitely, then we couldn't be here right now"

Yet we can be, since we are :D

[chokemychiken]

"because an infinite amount of time cannot pass"

How do you figure? This one is a bit of a conundrum. Seems plausible enough that time can pass to indefinitely. Besides, the concept of time having a "beginning" seems to beg the premise of time within time, in order for there to be a starting point. You yourself defined time as measurement of change. If there was no time before the beginning of time, how's there a starting point?

[chokemychiken]

That seems as logical as grabbing yourself and trying to lift yourself up off the ground. If there was no time, there was no change, so how could things change from no time- to time, when there is no time, thus no change? Especially when god alleges "For I am the LORD, I change not" & "with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning". your premise would eliminate cause-effect.

[chokemychiken]

If before the "beginning" of time[thus before the beginning of change] all that existed was a god, what would've changed the mind of an unchanging god to change things from the way they "were" "before" time to the way things are during time, from not creating to creating? There was no time, thus no change, no cause-effect, thus logically everything should have always remained the same, there should never be any time at all, thus no beginning.

[chokemychiken]

"So we can logically determine that time is finite."

No, we cannot. The very premise of time having a beginning, or there having been a "time" when there was no time, or however you put it, seems to be rather illogical, especially when time is defined as measurement of change, and seems rather unscientific, especially if the previous definition of yours takes into account the that matter & energy are neither created nor destroyed.

[chokemychiken]

So it seems like the idea that time is in fact infinite, or rather, without beginning or end, can be very plausible & logical.

"Since that is true, it can't be created in the dimension of time."

Time can't be created in the dimension of time? I mean, I agree, because I don't believe time to be created at all, or even a tangible "thing" that needs "creating", it's just that it's an odd statement.

[chokemychiken]

"If God exists outside of time"

A big if, given that the bible says no such thing, thus as true as it may or may not be, you have no authoritative basis for it, religious or scientific.

"then He is eternal and doesn't need a beginning or end, or a creator"

Just like the laws of conservation of matter & thermodynamics tell us of matter & energy. No creator. Thus a god is not necessary for explaining their existence.

[chokemychiken]

"I Kings 8:27 states God exists in such a way."

No, it does not. This is not even a conjecture, this is just an outright lie.

"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have built?"

No mention or even allusion to time. At all.

[chokemychiken]

"If you think matter came into existence out of nothing, then you aren't a rational thinker."

Agreed. Which is why many creationist christians are not rational thinkers since they believe god spoke and then matter came into existence out of nothing.

[chokemychiken]

"If you think matter always existed, ask yourself THIS question: Could there always have been a "yesterday?" "

Sure. Don't see why not, unless this is a semantics trap, "yesterday" & what not.

[chokemychiken]

One possible model for explaining time without beginning or end- loop, circle, cycle, etc. A circle has no starting point or end[except what might be arbitrarily conjected upon it by an observer]. If time is also like a loop, then it can quite logically be without beginning or end. This is a model used by many eastern philosophies, as opposed to our western world traditions where time is dogmatically viewed as a linear.

[chokemychiken]

But either way, I don't see either view as running into a snag with the laws of conservation & thermodynamics. But your view of time being finite does.

"Enjoy..."

Indeed I have. Namaste.

[einplume]

'Many' creationists supposedly believe that matter came from 'nothing'?

And here I thought they believed that it came from a pre-extant God, who is not 'nothing'.

It's amazing the magnitude of mankind's arrogance, who from this speck in the cosmos, feels fit to arbitrate who and what exists and does not exist.

[GOP71]

choke, my friend, you are attacking the notion of faith....which for you implies less confidence in your agnosticism/atheism than a promotion of your views. Go back to your Obama communications job and leave those who want to be Christian alone

[chokemychiken]

Fine so far.

[cschott64]

(tapping the microphone)

Can I have everyone's attention please?

I hereby pronounce chokemychiken the most intelligent being on the planet! The brilliance is amazing!

[carrolc1]

Meaning haveapez?????????????

[kf8295]

At the beginning, and then again at the ending, you can kind of see a look in his eye of "Oh man, I've messed up big time."

[kf8295]

His latest album is amazing. You can truly feel his pain and redemption through Christ in his songs, especially the first 5 of them.

[doveforever]

lol reminds me of somthing...hmmm... im glad Michael English learned from his mistake

[inbetweentics]

one of my favorites by him! i love this song and love this man's voice!

he's also a very wonderful person and has reached so many with his singing AS WELL AS his personal trials that are often magnified by others that like to see the black dot on the white page, instead of seeing all the white over the little black dot. ;)

WE LOVE YA MICHAEL ENGLISH :)

[haveapez]

Well isn't this interesting...