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  • this was in the DVD

  • Actually the "Sutherland" clan that lives on the north end of Scotland is from off-island, and as their names suggest, they come from a land to the north, making Scotland "Southern-land."  My Sunday School teacher growing up was a Sutherland and he was a tall drink of water, not at all like other Scots, though he claimed Scottish heritage. (This wasn't the main topic, thankfully we generally discussed far more important issues than that!)

  • @357MagnumBob By the reference "....and he was a tall drink of water" did you mean he was a 'lanky streak of piss" - using the vernacular?

  • This is a good scene and I didn't see the commander / magistrate's strategizing to get Wallace in the original VCR.

  • that there is absolutely no evidence that it was in fact the case. Seems about as scientific as 19thC skull measuring!

  • Doug635 it is on blue ray I watched it 3 nights ago

  • I have only seen this on the "Bravo" network broadcast(nbc) I hoped that it would be in the blu ray release but it is not. I also prefer the longest versions of any movie available. We can only hope maybe an extended edition of Braveheart may be available someday with many more scenes!

  • @doug625ut i have been looking for it. And there is a blu ray extended version with the extended scenes. I finally found it, you can get it on amazon.co.uk. Since they didnt show the 150 min of the never-before-seen content US theatrically. You can get it on that website. Braveheart blu ray UK 1995. Stay on them though, through shipping it may get lost. :)

  • Hahahahahha! If it wasn't for the pervert who tried to rape Murron.... Then Scotland would be English! God bless him!

  • @derekdean100 The Scots were one Celtic tribe amongst many, and their particular migration went through Eire (specifically Ulster) and into western Pictland (the kingdom of Dál Riata). The modern Scots were the result of the intermingling of the Scots and Picts. When the Scots migrated to what would eventually become the Kingdom of Scotland they brought their culture with them, including their musical instruments (which included the bagpipes).

  • @ehmunro Did you know Kilts and Tartan are something not of Scot or Pict origin at all, its technically English. An English king decreed that all Scottish family lines should have symbolism, so he set a few hundred tailors up to Scotland and outfitted the largest family names, the rest copied it themselves. Not slagging the Scots or anything, I'm Irish and live in Dundee but it was a Scotsman Tour guide in Edinburgh came out with it.

  • @Sirdieson Kinda/sorta. Family tartans were created by decree, prior to that Celts of all sorts simply wore whatever tartans they pleased. Picts certainly didn't wear kilts or carry about plaids, that was a Scottish thing. However, I should point out that modern genetic tests would seem to indicate that all of the inhabitants of the British Isles (and I'm including Ireland in this) are actually related (except the people of Northumberland, who are Norse). And aren't Celts at all.

  • @ehmunro Modern Northumberland itself wasn't even part of the Danelaw proper! And the Danelaw as it was (ie the southern part of old Northumbria and East Anglia and the seven boroughs etc) was conquered by the Danes not the Norse as such. The original inhabitants (British then Anglian incomers) weren't wiped out there was simply an addition into the mix.

  • @gaconnochie Yes, but genetic studies showed that the Northumbrians actually were different than everyone else. The rest carried the same genetic markers as the Basque, who would seem to have been the aboriginal residents of the isles.

  • @ehmunro Actually people interpret genetic results in different ways! Goldstein who carried out genetic sampling stated that any differences were so small that they couldn't constitute a them and us scenario. Plus there was no base sample to use any findings against. For instance in the Goldstein study to look at any change they started from the viewpoint that an oriignal population in the east of Britain had the same genetic markers as people in the middle of modern Ireland. The openly state

  • All these people looking up information online...

  • it further explains the reasoning for the hidden marriage, but i think it was a lot more effective for murun to be killed instantly rather than wait around tied up to a steak. Plus i didnt like seeing the english bloke chatting and toying with her. I think it's a good thing they didnt include this but thats just my opinion

  • @derekdean100 You should first learn to speak and write accordly the english :P

  • @derekdean100 Actually the Celts lived in Great Britain and Ireland and they had lots of today's traditions. They spoke Gaelic (hence the accents) and they wore plaid and lived in clans. This happened in the Graeco-Roman period and then eventually they started speaking english and some other stuff happened (I'm no history professor) and then became the countries of today. So yes they all have some similar traditions, but honestly wikipedia is not acurate. The Celts invented bagpipes.

  • Strangely, there was no Marion or Murron. It is not known if he was ever married or had children. So, the whole revenge plot of the movie is just an excuse for a story. Wallace's sword was HUGE, that much is true at least.

  • @KrosanBeast315 Wallace was also far from a commoner as he was the son of a nobleman and thus was raised in far better conditions than it is implied. Also, in reality, Robert the Bruce and him were never friends, in fact Wallace actively supported a claim from another clan to the throne. His sword in the movie did resemble the real one though: search Wallace_Sword on wiki if you're not convinced :)

  • The scene was unnecessary...remember he explained this in a scene later to the princess when he first met her in the hut.

  • this isnt deleted

  • In those days the scottish spoke gaelic so when he asked what her name was she wouldnt of been able to understand him

  • @mjrk394 In those days, the highlanders spoke Gaelic, not in the lowlanders. This is in Lanark remember.

  • @sday4857 no in the lowlands gaelic was spoken in the lowlands aswell remember it was still spoken in galloway until the 18th century. English only spoken in lothian and was emerging in the burghs. In lanark you probably would have heard both languages.

  • the actual scene is so much better because its kept short and sweet and the line let this scrapper come to me would not be as good

  • A bit repeating there. Sorry didn't realise I'd aleady said some of that

  • it appears he was the son of an Alan Wallace. Saying that the fim doesn't even follow the traditional story it is based on. Much of it is just a modern invention. Not a problem in itself but you get people believing it. The prima-nocta thing for instance. ie The sexual element in Marion's death. There is no hint or tradition of that in Scottish history or literature. The film makers rechristened Marion by the name Murron. Another modern invention.

  • @gaconnochie Hey just something i thought you might find interesting, the reason for renaming her murron for the film instead of her actual name of marion, was because of fears that when the film was released in the US it was thought that too many people would believe it to be the Marion from the Robin Hood stories, strange but true! lol

  • @MDGravey15 That is what I read too. Hard to comprehend that they'd think the public incapable of distinguishing two competely seperate Marions.

  • I was disappointed that they didn't add this scene to the sapphire series blu-ray edition. I think it's actually a very important scene. Without it, the whole scene with her having her throat cut is really choppy feeling.

  • I think this seen would break the flow of the movie it it were included?

  • What a ruthless cunt that English garrison was. He slit her throat right after.

  • Who else was sad for 3 days the first time they saw this film?

  • good to see.. I KNEW IT! there had to be a deleted scene from this very part of the movie, where the english sheriff finds out about marriage, didn't make sense of just killing her for the outrage and draging wallace in just for that...thanks!

  • is it me or dos gibson have a promblem with england

  • Never saw this scene :O Thanks for uploading it ~PaganGlade~

  • I don't think this was a deleted scene ?? I'm Australian and they played this at the cinema. As well as, vhs and dvd. Maybe in another country it was cut out. Anyway, still a great scene. Such a great movie. Thanks for posting ! :)

  • I can swear when the network "USA" played this movie about 5-6s after its release, I saw this scene and marveled at how I did not see it before! Used to know the damn movie line by line =)

  • When this movie aired on TV a while ago, they showed this scene. I didn't know it was a deleted scene.

  • It's sad to think that this actually happened

  • @htpnk120 things like this are still happening and will continue to happen as long as people crave power over other people ... which is likely to be as long as there are people

  • @htpnk120 It didn't. This part of the story was invented by the film-makers! In the traditional Scottish story Marion ( the film makers changed the name to Murron so people wouldn't confuse with Maid Marion of Robin Hood) is killed whilst barring her door from the English whilst Wallace escapes out of the back of her house. The English commander is so enraged he killed her with one swipe of his sword. There is no sexual element. That story itself was first written down well after Wallace's time.

  • @gaconnochie From what I understand, so little is actually known about William Wallace that the entire movie (in relation to who Wallace is) is essentially fiction.

  • @LokiusMaximus Randall Wallace based his book and screenplay on the traditional Scottish story as in Blind Harry's epic poem The Wallace. But yes you are right in that even that is a piece of historical faction written sometime after Wallace lived. Some of Blind Harry is historical nonsense and we certainly can't take it in itself as proof of anything. For instance we thought Wallace's father was a Malcolm Wallace until recently. Then the Lubeck Letter bearing Wallace's seal was uncovered and

  • @LokiusMaximus Randall Wallace based his book and screenplay on the traditional Scottish story as in Blind Harry's epic poem The Wallace. But yes you are right in that even that is a piece of historical faction written sometime after Wallace lived. Some of Blind Harry is historical nonsense and we certainly can't take it in itself as proof of anything. For instance we thought Wallace's father was a Malcolm Wallace until recently. Then the Lubeck Letter bearing Wallace's seal was uncovered and

  • I wish they'd fucking release some more deleted scenes. I want to see the gorier execution - the stuff that Mel says was too gross for the screen.

  • @BarryDennen12 I don't see the point in the gorier stuff, there are some pretty gory scenes, but the movie isn't about gore, it's portraying the legendary story of Wallace, and his intentions, I'd have really hated it if it was just filled with guts and gore, especially when Wallace is killed, if you could just see his body parts being pulled apart, it wouldn't have gave the same feeling. (personal opinion).

  • I think you misunderstand - I don't want it reinstated into the film, as it wouldn't contribute anything but length. I meant that it deleted stuff should be included on the DVD. The DVD of this movie has always been criminally underweight. The special features are incredibly lame - the sort of stuff you'd get on DVDs when they first came out. DVD has been around for what, 14 years now? It's time that movies started packing some serious extras.

  • it's on my version too

  • The English version is censured, or atleast this scene is cut out. But for example here in the Netherlands it's on the dvd and even on television.

  • Far out. I never saw that either.

    

  • This wasn't deleted. I have seen this scene in every copy I have watched....... four I think.

  • This video is very wonderful, I like Moron and her love story with Willam. I think that this scene was very beautiful, it shouldnot be deleted from the movie

  • @yomnaz1 murron not moron...

  • Seen braveheart like a mill times n never saw this scene any1 no what it's called ie full length-uncut etc

  • If this scene is included on any DVD release, I'm not aware of it. This was in the original network broadcast. This scene may not be necessary, but it's interesting to see the magistrate figure out the reason for Wallace's actions. I like longer versions of movies whenever I can get them.

  • @MrCache73 Yeah I never knew that this movie was on DVD either until I saw it in Walmart the other day for 10 dollars. :)

  • @MrCache73 actually it is included on the uk & ireland dvd release

  • But why was this scene specifically removed? it's true, I never saw it before, but what's so special about it ??

  • @GSMOUSA My guess is that it was redundant and interfered with the pacing. Nothing was really advanced story wise, though this scene does highlight the corruption of the British.

  • @Spengler56 "does highlight the corruption of the British." The British!! The terms English and British do not mean one and the same thing.

  • He slit her throat and that is what the politicians have done to the US.

  • Also they edited Murrons throat being slit, it showed that in it's early days but now the camera looks away when her throat is slit

    It also used to show the gaurds throat being slit for longer, now on the DVD version it shows his throat get slit for about 2/3 seconds then the camera goes away

    Before it was like 10 seconds & you saw the blade scrape accross his throat and the blood poor out before he dropped to the floor.

    I guess ppl are too squirmish now adays so they had to edit them lol.

  • @LCfoxes Actually I have the full version, that shows both extended ear to ear scenes. Though difficult to watch, the full length DVD is availible, just harder to find. ;D

  • @Maximus1Decimus where??? i've been trying to find it forever!!

  • @AltonJB1984 It's on Amazon, I got cheap.

  • @Maximus1Decimus I keep seeing the normal versions wherever I go, does it say Braveheart directors cut or extended edition or anything like that?

  • @AltonJB1984 The version I have is the special edition.

  • @Maximus1Decimus huh, and this scene is in there? Cuz I have the same version and I don't recall seeing it

  • @AltonJB1984 Odd...

  • Mel Gibson said the ending was much more brutal and uncut at first, it showed him get cut open ripping out his intestines and burning them/ taking his heart out and showing it to the crowd/ ripping his body to pieces etc.

    But in a trial screening the audience reacted badly to it, looking away & feeling sick so Mel Gibson said they had to cut most of the stuff out, which was a shame he said. (it does not even show you what they are ripping out of William Wallace in the released version)

  • @LCfoxes Hmm. I always thought they were cutting off his p*nis.

  • I've never seen this seen before, i've watched it a few times on TV (channel 4/ Five etc) and never seen this.

    I've got the DVD and it's not in that either, it just cuts straight to Murron getting murdered. :(

  • I watched this yesterday and this scene was in it

  • This isn't a deleted scene. I've seen it many times when watching the movie on TV.

  • at 0:18 you can see that the britich helmets dont change for a few hundred years XD

  • Wallace had his revenge on the magistrate, the bastard fucking deserved it!

  • could anyone write me a subtitles?

  • This shows in my dvd along with the movie in a natural flow don't know why it's called a deleted scene

  • they had no idea who they were fucking with when they killed that girl

  • apparently there's 90mins of footage that was cut in editing

  • I know that movie was super long, but it's a shame they had to leave anything out

  • The problem here is inaccuracy, Wallace didn't attack because they killed the sheriff killed his wife, but the sheriff killed his wife because he was already attacking.

  • Thx for this, it shows that aspect of the forbidden marriage

  • I got the blu ray and thought this part would be in it, but it wasnt! :(

  • thie reminds me of another deleted scene out there. there's supposed to be a deleted scene where wallace is giving a speech to his followers and he says something like: "Spare the women and children. To all else - no mercy!" Does anybody have details or know where to find it??

  • @nervouswreck75 thats in the trailer to for some reason

  • @nervouswreck75

    I bought the script years ago and read it. That part comes from the scene where Wallace and his men are attacking York. The lord of York has Scots hiding in the castle Wallace is attacking. To scare the Scots, he has them all hanged during the battle. Wallace then says "We shall spare the women and the children, be more merciful than they were. For the others, no mercy." This is mentioned when Wallace talks to Isabella about it, when he says the lord hanged innocent scots.

  • I'm sure it will be on the 20th Anniversary Edition. Yeah, right.

  • Wow - why the hell is that not on the DVD??? :O

    Braveheart has always been a rip off as far as home release goes. NO DELETED SCENES??? Fuck's sake.

  • To me the scene doesnt really fit in tho it just seems strange that they kill her the way he talks to her.

  • i was hoping this would be in the blu ray but it wasnt :(

  • This should have stayed in the DVD.

  • @Dreamxspace haha the movie is long enough ;)

    

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