Because he can't, because he's learning. Again you are trying to save face for him on something that you don't need to. His boxing defence was being torn apart by a hall of fame boxing trainer, what's to bad about that?
freddie said in an interview he sees anderson as one of those guys that only show a few things in training, at the time he thought the guy was overrated but when he saw him fight he said he was shocked and wanted to work with him again.
i love how every1 is saying freddy is picking him apart..when silva doesnt even go all out. he goes like 20~30% lol. and hes just working on his punching, not trying to out box freedy :|
@ganjislammer 20-30% How do you know? Besides, that's the reason he went there, to improve his boxing. Roach is not showing him how to kick or knee, he's helping him with his hands. That's what makes him a great fighter. In order to get better at that aspect of his game, he's willing to get humbled by a guy who knows more about boxing than him.
@OLDBOY216 Cuz if u look at his fights, he goes all out. Compare that to what hes doing here, its about 20%. Its really not hard to know lol. Plus Roach even said it was hard to figure out silva since he only goes 20~30% in training. So there u go :) And i know silva is humbling himself obviously so he can learn. I just thought some of the comments were funny how they though roach was tearing him up etc.
@Aalic2003 Jabs are used as a tool in different ways.I believe that the jab in this case is used as a measuring stick or a setup to throw close range power punches (uppercut or hook..etc)- one of the things Anderson and Freddie are working on in this clip. You don't want to overextend the jab if the opponent is too close because it takes that much longer to bring the hand back to protect yourself.
finally mma guys are starting to work boxing properly im a massive Combat fan love boxing muay thai karate etc. boxers are the best punchers out there why not learn from them!
A lot of these guys who give negative comments clearly do not see the efficient boxing techniques that Freddy and Anderson are doing. Plus you can't match an MMA fighter vs. a boxer because they are completely different disciplines. It's like saying a mountainbiker should be able to beat a motocross rider on the track. It's a pointless argument.
@sprkplg73 MMA is not an art. its the sport of fighting. however a u fight is up to u. thats why mma is the best. u can use any martial art or street fighting.
It's obvious that a great MMA fighter like Anderson went to train with a great trainer like Freddy for a reason. I don't think Anderson would waste his time and money if he didn't have confidence on Freddy's training methods. Anderson made his bout against Okami look so easy by just jabbing efficiently and striking with almost no effort.
hes the only mma fighter that can box. really hes beautiful. i hate when people criticize him for what he did against maia. thats similar to what ali would do. talk shit to his opponents in the ring while slowly destroying them. i love ali. hes similar to mayweather too. they are both technicians.
@ljitsu 1 of the problems wit what u said is he didnt slowly destroy maia tho. he def beat him but not destroy neither quickly or slowly. that was the fight that made me fall in fan love wit maia. i think silva simply gassed cuz he, for whatever the reason(s), wasnt able to put maia away n i love how from bell to bell maia kept at it n was tryna fight n box a cleeearly much better striker in silva
Ok guys, let's just stop with the debate on who will win or who's better, boxing or MMA. They are two sports with differences and arguing which is better and who will beat who is meaningless. Just go and train, spar, and you will know for yourself which suits you best.
Of course, some of the stuff here makes me laugh my head off. BJJ Black Belt in ONE YEAR? HAHAHAHA
Jandro, u probably have never fought in ur life. Mms is much harder than boxing, much more physically and mentally taxing because you can use most body parts to attack with and can attack most places so there is more o watch for. Plus that laying around wrestling is really frieking tiring. You ever wrestles 3 five minute rounds? You are much more tired than boxing for 5 when you can clinch if you get tired. Wrestling you are always fighting for a better position or the submission
I think in any sport there are those guys that could have done well at anything. Anderson is one of them. He actually boxed for a while and did good. He did just tai and did well. He is a master on the ground and is one of the best bjj guys in the world cuz he can effectively us his jits in a real situation and win. He would have dominated boxing or soccer. Don't let the chael sonnet fight get to far into ur head. He is a gifted athlete with true cay like reflexes.
Anderson has been training boxing his whole life too, His black belt in Judo and Tae kwon do is just a side order when his in the ring. Boxing is just a side order when in the octagon.
anderson is one of the best p4p in mma alright, but if he gets his wish of a match with roy jones jr, even though roy is nowhere near what he was roy will murder him in 3 rounds, you have my word. andersons boxing here looks terrible
Dude jandro1083 i agree with u at a level but i dont agree with you saying that mma training is not as hard as boxing training. I mean yes it is tough but in mma if your a wrestler you are working your ass off from the first minute you get onto the matt til u r done. Yes i have trained boxing and it is very hard conditioning but mma is also very hard because u have to practice more than one martial art in mma.
LOL this is humiliating, how can anyone like this? He is fucking SLOW and acting like an amateur, did he really think he had a chance when he challenged Roy Jones to a boxing match? LOL
@35503550 Yeah great sparring session for a guy who bragged about boxing being 1/3 of his skills when he challenged Roy Jones Jr. For Christ's sakes he's sparring like he has NEVER done boxing mitts before. Look at Roach teaching him the basics and he's completely lost at a slow ass pace.
@35503550 Oh and BTW, fun fact, Anderson Silva started a pro career in boxing before MMA. guess what? he quit after his 3rd fight cause he couldn't handle it LOL.
@Jandro1083 boxing isnt the only martial art on the planet, so why does it matter if he isnt world class when it comes to just useing your hands? Hes a muay thai fighter, which means hes gonna be skilled with using kicks, knees, elbows. Plus he has a bjj black belt, the mans a mixed martial artist, not a boxer....
@romes98ify that's myy point, he's also very average at muay thai tops. He brags and talks shit as if he's a master at everything. That's why MMA is boring, you can't be a master at everything. Martial arts are best at their purest form, something MMA is not. 90% of MMA matches resort to mindless bjj and wrestling cause they get lost and don't know what else to do. Also as for a martial art BJJ isn't such a big deal as people make it seem, anyone can be a BJJ black belt in ONE year time.
@Jandro1083 what are u talking about.......are you crazy...black belt bjj in one year..do you have any idea what you are talking about...??? try competing and you will understand im a boxer and i train in other diciplines and ill tell you right now...it takes versatility and intelligence not to mention talent and hard work to fight in mma....anderson silva,gsp,bj penn, cain and jose aldo...its not a coincedence these ppl are some of the most respected and accomplished fighters..
@ghorbani You a boxer? Really? Doesn't sound like it, i was an amateur boxer and muay thai fighter, also trained some bjj and "mma" (it's not actually a style as people refer to it), as a "boxer" you should know that MMA training is NOWHERE near as tough as boxing and MT training that's a fact. Also most MMA fighters don't even have dedication, they are gassed out after rnd 1. Only a few a true martial artists (Penn, GSP, Machida, to name a few).
@Jandro1083 I fought Muay Thai but I think when it comes to precision boxing has the deepest talent pool. If you can't out box somebody you lose wherein Muay Thai you can counter boxing with kicks and knees and vice versa. The more that's allowed, the less you have to be skilled in form of striking.
@strafer True, you have a very solid point there, but like i always say a true boxer can outwork any mma fighter and prevent from being taken down (if you are a skilled boxer and know your basic Muay Thai you have a major edge over most fighters). One major thing i don't like about mma is most fighters don't have discipline or conditioning. You tend to see more mindless brawling and after the 1st rnd and a half they are gassed out.
@Jandro1083 You don't know mma. mma fighters are far more conditioned than boxers. Grappling alone is more tiring than striking. Ray Mercer said that mma training is harder and it made boxing look easy. An elite boxer can't defeat an elite mma fighter. Boxers have only ONE skill, ONE! mma fighters are fighters from all skills. you think in order for a boxer to go the ground, he must be out wrestled, haha WRONG! there are flying subs. the guy in this video got submitted that way by Ryo Chonan.
@str8OuttaNaptown30 yeah but most mma fighters don't know how to punch for shit, so standing up wise boxers would kill a mma fighter, a mma fighter needs to take it to the ground or he will lose. and by looking at mma fighters, they arn't in as good of condition as most boxers, boxer train to go hard for 12, 15 rounds. watch the ufc, half the time they just stand in front of eachother and wait for the other one to do something and make a mistake.
@sk8forlife90 Standing up, boxers may kill SOME mma fighters. Anderson Silva is a mma fighter who can go toe to toe with the best of em. Trust me, a boxer don't wanna step foot in an octagon. Boxers are so one dimensional. They can't check any kick. Can't defend a takedown. Can't defend a submission. Wouldn't know what to do if they got in Muay Thai clinch. Boxing, you can throw punches, that's it. MMA, u throw elbows, punches, kicks, & knees. Also, mma fighters are more conditioned than boxers.
@str8OuttaNaptown30 i would have to disagree with you their. kickboxers and muay thai people don't do good under constant pressure at all, for one because you have to be completely balanced and set up when you throw a kick. your hands are your most dangerous weapon standing up, hands down, not your legs, knees or elbows. and good puncher will beat a good kicker most of the time, that's a rule of thumb. in a stand up battle, just a stand up battle, boxers beat mma fighters hands down.
@sk8forlife90 You couldn't possibly believe a boxer can defeat an elite kickboxer? Come on bro, get real. A kickboxer isn't use to being pressured? Have u watched K-1 before? Go look at Melvin Manhoef, I highly doubt any boxer would wanna fight him. And A. Silva may not be one of the best boxers in the world if he was to box, but he sure as hell wouldn't be a slouch. He just schooled one of the boxers at this gym in this video. MMA fighters would kill a boxer in a fight. Look at James Toney. lol
@str8OuttaNaptown30 dude, your a fucking idiot. james toney wasn't even in shape to be in a damn boxing match! he was fat and wanted money. anderson silva sucks at boxing to. he got his ass beat both times in his professional boxing career that's why he quit because mma fighters can't punch. you can't kick when a guy is moving forward and punching you, it wouldn't work.
@str8OuttaNaptown30 and anderson can't box for shit. he couldn't go toe to toe with a profesional boxer, he would die. he even has a few boxing matches, and he loses, he does horrible. a lot of mma fighters think they can box and punch, until they get in the ring with a boxer and they get tooken apart. and i don't see how mma fighters are more conditioned then boxers, boxing is an endurance sport, you got to be able to throw your hands constantly at a high pace. besides, mma fighters look fat.
@sk8forlife90 mma fighters look fat? MMA isnt just the heavyweight division dude, many of these guys are ripped. and also, endurance is far more challenging in MMA because of the grappling aspect. Im not exactly very fit, but i can box all day, ask me to wrestle and/or roll and im gassed in 5 minutes. There's a reason why MMA fights, at least in the US, are 3 x 5 mins rounds instead of 12 x 3 mins rounds.
@sk8forlife90 anderson CAN box, just not as good as a decent boxer can. its pretty obvious why mma fighters are poorer at boxing than boxers you know.
@sk8forlife90 Boxers go 12 three minute rds. mma fighters go 3/5 five minute rds. Grappling is WAY more exhausting than striking. Pro athletes do mma training to get in better shape, because the training is so rigorous. Boxers' training is quite easy compared to mma's. In mma, you grapple and strike, so that's why you would SOMETIMES see fighters looking gassed. As for them not knowing how to punch, it's just like boxing. Not every fighter is great strikers, i.e. Ricardo Mayorga. Wild & Crazy!!!
@str8OuttaNaptown30 yeah but ricardo mayorga is overrated, he can only beat crappy boxers, that's why he got beat by the much more well known boxers. and boxing training isn't easy, it's looks easy because they don't do all that cross training crap, but that dosn't mean it's easier. mma fighters do to much crosstraining, that's why they never become to good of fighters. brazilians train more like boxers, and look how good they are at striking. jose aldo, anderson silva. boxing training is rig.
@sk8forlife90 Most Brazilians are specialist in BJJ, not boxing. I can name plenty great strikers who arent Brazilian.i.e Gegard Mousasi, Mirko Cro Cop, Melvin Manhoef. Boxing training is not as tough as mma's. Believe me, I dont think either is easy. Mayorga is overrated. But that wasnt the point. Point was that there's a Mayorga in every combat sport. Boxing fans think that just becuz someone isnt an elite striker like a boxer, that they're less of a fighter, when theyre actually more skilled.
@str8OuttaNaptown30 yeah but still, some of the fighters that come out of brazil are the best because they know how to train, their really smart when it comes to training. they are dirt poor so they don't have the money for top of the line gyms everywhere, they use their heads to become the best. they live fighting, that's all they have, so they know what they are doing from experiance. some of the smartest trainers are in brazil. aldo is deffinatly the best striker in mma.
@sk8forlife90 Boxers are physical specimens, but ur physique has nothing to do with ur skill. Look at George Foreman in his later years. Most mma fighters aren't fat either. Most of them are stronger and more fit than boxers. Look at GSP, Thiago Alves, Hector Lombard, and others. If ur physique determined ur skill then Fedor Emelianenko wouldn't be referred to by many as the greatest mma fighter of all tme. Face it bro, boxers are one dimensional fighters who get SLAUGHTERED by a mma fighter.
@str8OuttaNaptown30 they get slaughtered in a mma fight, but like i said, if the fight was just a stand up fight ONLY, the boxer would win deffinatly hands down. and even though mma fighters are quite a bit stronger, boxers still punch a lot harder and with more power. but i do agree with what mostly you are saying.
@Proudtobefilipino033 seriously boxers punch harder then kickboxers, kickboxers arn't very good at punching. look, boxers train for punching only, they dedicate their lives to just practicing punching, they throw way more punches during their work outs, so of course their gonna be better harder punchers, it's just common sense. a boxer would kill a kickboxer stand to imo. the better puncher will always beat the better kicker. boxers punch harder then kickboxers, it's common sense.
@Proudtobefilipino033 dude, you take ONE person, and you think they can represent for all boxers. naw. and ray mercer wasn't even in shape for a boxing match let alone a kickboxing match. where have you seen a in shape boxer get beat by a kickboxer? i don't think their are any videos of that. when i see a in shape boxer that is ready for a serious boxing match get beat by a kick boxer, then i will respect what you say but ray mercer, come on. kickboxers CAN'T punch better than boxers period.
@Proudtobefilipino033 a lot of american muay thia fighters beat thailand muay fighters threw boxing because muay fighters in thailand don't throw much punches, they throw more elbows and knees and some kicks. just because a kickboxer knows how to punch dosn't mean he can stand and box with a boxer. you have to practice boxing and punching relentlessly everyday to even be a decent puncher, i've only seen a couple decent punchers in kickboxing, mma and all that stuff.
@sk8forlife90 No boxer would dare wanna step foot in the ring with a kickboxer. Punching is punching bro. Yeah sure, a boxer may be more accurate and precise with their punches, but on a stand point of punching harder, it all depends on how hard you hit. Take Rampage Jackson for example. He hits harder than most boxers but his striking is very wild compared to boxers. I doubt the average boxer can defeat the average kickboxer. If you think kickboxers can't box then look at Ernesto Hoost's combos
@str8OuttaNaptown30 i doubt rampage hits harder then most boxers, that's just ridiculous, same thing with kickboxers, and i'll tell you why. a kickboxer mights spend an hour a day training his hands and just his boxing, a normal boxer spends about 4 hours on just training his hands. so of course the boxer is going to have stronger, faster better hands, he practices for several hours more, that makes a huge difference.
@sk8forlife90 Also, you probably think that a boxer can easily block a kick and be fine. Well, a kick hurts whether u blocked it or not. A kick can break ur arm when blocking it. Look at Rich Franklin vs Chuck Lidell. Also, kickboxers kick so hard that they can break ur bone in half. A kick is much more powerful than a punch. It covers more distance too. Its more effective than the jab. Boxing is not that dangerous of a martial art when you think about it. They're only expected to do ONE thing!
@str8OuttaNaptown30 by the time you throw 1 kick i can throw 6 or 7 punches. a better puncher will beat a better kicker. and if boxing wasn't that dangerous, then why do a lot of people die in boxing every year? atleast a dozen people die every year from boxing, probably a lot more. all a boxer needs is ONE punch to knock out most fighters who arn't boxers. boxers have stepped in the ring and ko'ed a lot of mma fighters.
@sk8forlife90 Look, boxing is great. It just doesn't pose that many threats. Go look at some K-1 more and some mma too. You will see that a high level striker would chew the average boxer up, including elite. I don't think you have ever fought against a kickboxer or muay thai fighter. Things u say seem easy, but until u get kicked, kneed, and elbowed you wouldn't truly understand how a boxer would lose. Look at the Aldo vs Hominick fight. Muay Thai vs Boxing. While ur punching, ur gettin kicked
@str8OuttaNaptown30 hominick is a kickboxer and muay thai person not a boxer, just so you know. goes to show how much you don't know. and botha is a decent boxer who beat a lot of kickboxers in k1 events. virgil kalakoda, boxer, destroyed a lot of people in k1 and other kickboxing events. Yong-Soo Choi did a lot of events vs muay thai fighters and beat them, he was a boxing champion. their are a lot more boxers who defeated numerous kickboxers by boxing if you want me to name more.
@sk8forlife90 u don't know that buddy, i dont recall me saying muay thai fighters are boxers. Also, if u mean they don't use boxing, then u really don't know anything, because they call it Thai BOXING. Most kickboxers implement muay thai in their fighting, i.e. Overeem. And defeatin bums aint sayin much. U can't name a boxer who defeat an Ernesto Hoost or ones who are actually good fighters. Hominick didnt use kickboxing against aldo. he used only boxing. threw prolly two or three kicks and loss
@str8OuttaNaptown30 also, let's make this clear, a boxer is going to be aware and careful of a kickboxers legs and a kickboxer is going to be aware and careful of a boxers hands. on a strategic point of view, their are certain kinds of boxers that kickboxers do great against, and ones that they have a hard time with. the boxers that get destroyed are out fighters who wait for the moment when his opponent throws a strike, so he is off balance and capitalize on it, that would be suicide.
@sk8forlife90 Sports Science showed that Rampage hits with 1800 lbs of force. That's more powerful than most boxers. Now, a boxer do spend more time perfecting his hands, speed, and power. But a kickboxer has ENOUGH skills in boxing to last with a boxer in boxing. Just becuz a boxer is expecting the kicks from the kickboxer doesn't mean anything, becuz the boxer has to determine where the kick is going. A body kick looks like it's about to be a head kick, and in vice versa. Kickboxing FTW bro!!
@str8OuttaNaptown30 dude, all i have to do is press a kick boxer and he will be forced to move backwards, and you can't kick moving backwards. let alone kick on the inside. and no way a kickboxer has enough skill when they practice boxing at most an hour a day, most kickboxers don't even do that at all, to a boxer, who practices boxing 4 5 6 hours a day. no way, he would die in a boxing match, why do you never see kickboxers box? they get knocked out cold!
@sk8forlife90 have you ever fought a kickboxer? i box, and when i matched up against a friend of mine who had extremely poor punching but good kicks, i got my lead leg kicked hard. Sure, i'll admit, i beat him and knocked him down with punches, but he's not even a good fighter. i dare say, very very poor. i have sparred with another dude with vicious kicks, he tkoed me with leg kicks.
@toolfan92 the only way to condition to get hit is, to get hit really. and yeah a boxer needs to get kicked in the leg a bit to get used to it, it's something you got to get used to. but if your smart, you will realize that their is ways to nuetralize their kicking. first off, you need to be completely balanced before you kick. if you keep a kickboxer off balanced, you won't get kicked to much. and kickboxers arn't used to getting hit in the head like boxers, meaning they get ko'ed easier.
@sk8forlife90 hmmmm, i'd still say a good kickboxer can beat a boxer, as long as he has decent hands himself and good boxing defense. kicks also can come very fast and hard and that surprises the boxer. Dont forget the clinch, many boxers who fight kickboxers forget that when they close the distance, the kickboxer clinches, a few good knees, its all over. Dutch style Muay Thai are good counters to boxers, the guys there have heavy good hands with some kicks, elbows and knees for good measure.
@toolfan92 knees to the body? look boxers get hit in the body a lot so they are used to it. and like i said, a boxer just needs to get kicked in the legs, sparring some, he'll get used to getting kicked pretty fast. kickboxers have no where near as good of hands as boxers. kick boxers are alright or good at somethings, but not really great at anything. boxers are great at punching. you never really see that with kickboxers, because they never spend to much time doing one thing.
@sk8forlife90 dude, a boxer who's learned some leg kick defense and similar stuff isnt just a boxer anymore, we are talking about pure boxers here. im a boxer who has learned wrestling and jiujitsu, that means if i get taken down im not exactly clueless, does that mean i will beat a guy with a grappling background? what you are effectively saying is any top boxer could learn to take kicks and knees and go to K1 and KO everyone there. Not gonna happen.
@sk8forlife90 A boxer couldn't even control the distance of a kickboxer either. Close or distant, a kickboxer would most likely win. A kickboxer don't only kick, they knee too. And a knee to the solar plex is devastating. A kickboxer would easily control the range, becuz like i said, kicks cover more range. Also u said the boxers would expect the kickboxer to kick. Well what do you think the kickboxer expect the boxer to do? A one dimensional fighter against a 3 dimensional fighter is gonna lose
@str8OuttaNaptown30 you can't control the range when you have an aggressive boxer coming at you full force pushing you back, that makes kicking nearly impossible. boxers hands are so lethal, they don't need anything else in a fight hardly. and a knee to the solar plexus is devastating no doubt, but boxers get punched in the stomach all the time, they can take hits to the solar plexus all day. not to mention most boxers do 100's, 1000's of sit ups everyday to have abs thick as steel.
@str8OuttaNaptown30 continued... now, the boxer that a kick boxer doesn't do very well against is a pressure fighter or a inside fighter. a kick boxer can't throw his devestating kicks unless he is balanced and on the outside a bit. the boxer would have to keep him pressured and keep him off balanced to neutralize the kickboxers devestating kicks. and be at a long range outside if he isn't throwing punches. the boxer could beat the kickboxer provided he did the right things.
@Proudtobefilipino033 GSP trained with Pacquiao and said that he was the fastest and probably one of the hardest punches he;s ever seen and look how small Pacquiao is relative to alot of the MMA fighters. I mean it's obvious a boxer can KO with size 10 oz gloves whereas UFC fighters can mix it with 4oz.. If you gave 4oz gloves to Pacquiao or to Mosley or someone against a UFC figther in just punching, the MMA figther will die. Having said that MMA fighters have other standup tools like kicksknee
@Proudtobefilipino033 Yeah boxing is good for punching. A man that spends his life mastering pugilism will be good at jus tht. Mayweather, Pacquiao etc. are insanley fast and have greater skill in punching compare to MMA, Muay Thai etc. But its not the ultimate standup because in MMA you can kick, knee and elbow etc. So a kick to the leg for example would be really hard to defend for a boxer, all his power comes from the legs and if you chop the legs the tree will fall. That's one example.
@musood6630 there's advantages to training equally in both, if you throw kicks against a wrestler you will find yourself on the mat soon enough.. it's also easier to sprawl and shoot in if you focus on your hands.
@Proudtobefilipino033 well, it's good for a lot of things, apart from punching power and accuracy, there are a lot of useful things they put more emphasis on like head movement and footwork which are both crucial for offense and defense...and mastering the jab, which is fundamental for closing the gap, creating a gap, defense, offense etc
@sk8forlife90 jose aldo is primarily a muay thai specialist who use leg kicks ALOT to wear out his opponents. he was also a grappler. anderson is a freak of nature who has koed people with punches, elbows and kicks of all sorts. look i know you are a boxing nuthugger, but boxing isnt the end all of fighting like you are making it out to be. dont get me wrong, i love boxing tremendously but i open my mind to other styles. You should too. just saying. :)
@toolfan92 i like kickboxing almost as much as boxing, but i mean you came with kickboxers always win and they have their pros and cons. but jose aldo and silva are the best strikers, especially aldo. no one in mma puts people away like aldo does. almost all mma fighters boxing is horrible, i mean HORRIBLE. striking in ufc isn't even that good, almost all the fighters are wrestling based.
@sk8forlife90 kickboxers can lose too. anyway, mma boxing, there are a few with good one. Aldo and Anderson obviously, Nick Diaz, BJ Penn, Junior Dos Santos these are examples of very good boxers in MMA. Then you have overall strikers like Machida, Shogun, Alves, Overeem, prime Liddell, prime CroCop. Its pretty obvious why striking in MMA wont be as good as those in their kickboxing/boxing counterparts, theres a need to train the wrestling and ground game, takes time out lol.
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Really, ok one of the best boxers UFC has is Michael Bisping, go watch his fighit against Hamill, Bisping stuck to pure boxing to counter Hamill's wrestling (he got counter from a kick so he stopped kicking and purely boxed). Look at how gassed out Hamill is after rnd1, at the end of rnd2 he looked like he was dying, yeah some conditioning wrestling gives you.
@Jandro1083 Bro, Hammil isn't that good. Sure he is a high level wrestler, but he's too one dimensional. Bisping, would get raped by a true mma. Also, u used Hammil as an example, how come u didn't use Rashad Evans or Dan Henderson as an example? They're both high level wrestlers who defeated Bisping. Also, I would bet u have never grappled. If u have u would know that it's far more tiring than striking. Take any conditioned boxer and have him to try and get up from bottom position, he's gassed!
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Oh now Hamill's overrated? Evans was pretty controversial, more like a draw, and Henderson KOd him with a wild punch, NO wrestling involved. Like i said i did take BJJ lessons at the gym with some wrestling, air control is easier on the ground. Trick i learned from my coach, neutralize and stay completely calm, that's it. All these idiots start getting desperate instead of actually thinking and end up getting gassed out. No discipline, that's why MMA sucks.
@Jandro1083 Yeah Hammil isnt that good. he's not overrated at all becuz nobody but YOU make him seem good. He's alright, that's about it. Who has he defeated that's worth mentioning? Nobody! How was it a draw against Evans when he got taken down 6 times in 3 rnds? He was outwrestled, where was his superior boxing? lol and u obviously NEVER grappled before. How is air control easier on the ground easier when a grown man is on top of ur chest and lungs? pressure on ur lungs is very exhausting. duh
@Jandro1083 and MMA sucks? wooow we got a hater on deck. I guarantee u that a boxer cant defeat a mma fighter...lol Boxing is boring. I watch the Mosley-Pacquiao card and it wasnt one decent fight on that card. Boxing has been around for hundreds or years and is gettin pushed over by a sport thats only been around for under 20 yrs. haha how sad. MMA fighters are the best fighters on this planet. Most of fights are exciting. Boxing is just a bunch of decision fights. mma is mostly finished fights
@str8OuttaNaptown30 LOL, boxing being pushed over? Highest paid fighter in MMA history, Brock Lesnar $500k for the Couture fight. That's chump change for a boxer, when a MMA fighter starts winning millions per fight, then you can say it's at least at boxing's level. Also MMA promoters are idiots, making single companies and closed circuits, that hurts the sport. Boxing is what it is thx to cross promotion, btw 90% of MMA fights is man humping, no action.
@Jandro1083 Correction, Brock makes 5 mil a fight. Just what I'd expect from a bitter boxing fan who can't accept reality. mma fighters don't get paid as much, don't have bigger audiences, hump each other mumbo jumbo. Why wouldn't a sport that's been around longer than all the current American sports today make more money? Boxing is ancient. MMA is only 20 yrs in and is takin away boxin fans and boxers. lol boxers can't fight as well as a mma fighter, nor will they be around much longer. lmao!!
@Jandro1083 After Pacman vs Mayweather, if that even happen, what's left? That's the only fights fans wanna see. You obviously don't know grappling like u say u do becuz that "humping" is too technical for u to understand. Most mma fights are FINISHED fights!!! Brutal exciting KOs and subs. The majority of boxing fans are old timers who don't like change. The younger generation is moving towards mma. Boxing ratings are plummeting while mma's is skyrocketing. LMAO!!!! Boxing is failing miserably.
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Finishing a fight by KO or Sub does not always = being more skilled. Any one can have a night landing a big punch and some lucky fall into a convenient submission hold by luck *cough* Lesnar/Carwin *cough*, BUT outclassing, outworking, out thinking, neutralizing you opponent for TWELVE rounds, now THAT's SKILL.
@Jandro1083 Most boxers are skilled disciplined athletes. I can't take that away from them. But mma is more skilled than boxing, for the simple fact that mma fighters acquire more skills. Someone like GSP, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo are what you called skilled fighters. To be skilled in all areas of combat. That says more than being skilled in ONE department of combat. Lesnar didn't get a lucky sub. You couldn't know grappling, because he advanced his position and submitted Carwin with more SKILL
@Jandro1083 there is no luck in either. it's called anatomy, anyone can be separated from their consciousness or be submitted. making that actually happen takes skill, you have to find an opening for a submission and get it done. there is no luck in combat sports
@GribMurder No luck? Go look up Fedor's KO over Arlovski, Fedor was OUT on his feet. Walking UNCONCIOUS, throwing out a RANDOM punch out of muscle memory cause you are NOT in your right mind thinking what to set up next, is called PURE LUCK! Luck does happen in combat sports, if i'm fighting and i close my eyes throw a wild swing and happen to connect and KO the opponent (which happens quite a lot in MMA) is simply called a lucky punch.
@Jandro1083 he saw an opening and exploited it....no different from any other KO. fedor has an iron chin, that's why he survived and won. if you see an opening, throw a punch, and it connects and puts your foe to sleep, it ain't luck. that logic makes all KO's luck
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Oh and btw you say boxing's ratings are plummeting right? How com Mayweather who is considered "boring" had a PPV scheduled the same night as a UFC ppv once (cause White challenged him to a ratings contest) and the UFC got HUMILIATED!!! Mayweather then scheduled another PPV to compete against UFC again and old pussy White changed the date cause he didn't wanna get humiliated again LOL.
@Jandro1083 Ok, allow me to reiterate. Boxing is older than mma with way more fans due to the fact that boxing is more international and socially accepted than mma. Of course they can get more ratings in a popularity contest. That's like bragging about getting more votes in Texas over someone in Rhode Island. Whoopdee freakin doo. The point of it all is that Boxing's ratings are FALLING, and MMA's are RISING tremendously! That means it's only a matter of time until mma surpass boxing. Sad truth!
@Jandro1083 Guy a Boxer that knows Muay Thai is a Mix Martial Artist. That what MMA is taking different Techniques from different Martial Arts and make it your own. If your Boxing training was harder than your MMA training then you had a horrible instructor. BJJ black belt in a year really who are you BJ PENN. Boxing Training is a part of MMA training because Boxing just like Muay Thai, Bjj, and Wrestling is a Part of MMA.
@Jandro1083 Pure Boxing training doesn't teach you how to do defend take downs; wrestling training does. Pure Boxers are easier to take down than MMA fighters and even easier to submit. Art Jimmerson vs Royce Gracie UFC 1.
@Proudtobefilipino033 Where do i get them? By watching the piece of shit UFC, i prefer Strikeforce cause the refereeing there is better, if they are holding without doing anything for 5 secs the ref breaks and stands them up. UFC just lets them waste the whole damn round. If MMA is so exciting how come everyone was booing the hell out of Evans/Rampage, fucking BORING it was all holding. There are very few exciting fights in UFC, the rest is just wrestling.
@ghorbani Also yes you can become a BJJ black belt in one years time. My bjj trainer even told me, and he won a world tournament a few years back by defeating Gracie's TOP student at that time in the tourney. BJJ isn't that complicated when compared to boxing, muay thai, or other martial arts where you need years to master. Hell look at Mir, he was a brown belt i think, and just for wining one UFC fight by a sub, he was given the black belt after the fight. WTF is that shit?
Very smart on SIlva's behalf to learn from one of the best coaches in boxing today. Like I've always said, in a sport that favors grappling, relying on boxing alone is not the best way to go. However in strengthening the striking capabilities of an MMA fighter as a whole, boxing is an extremely effective form of striking. Much respect to those who showing effective boxing in MMA ( especially with those tiny gloves).
Boxing and MMA coexist, and this is proof. An MMA fighter can benefit from learning to hone his boxing skills, and the same can be said about a boxer who wants to step into the MMA ring, training with a world class MMA trainer. Both sports are good, and neither one dominate the other in my view. Peace to all fans of boxing and MMA.
@alpen13 Well if MMA were more of a sport instead of a brand, then it might help things, but as long as the UFC is around MMA will never be a competitive sport. UFC/MMA is sports entertainment, NOT competitive a sport. Why? Cause it's just a lame brand, no sanctioning bodies, no wolrd championships, no cross promotions.
@Jandro1083 there are sanctioning bodies. they're called "athletic commissions". MMA has world championships, and it doesn't need cross-promo to be a true sport. all a sport is, is a physical contest between two or more people with rules to follow.. that's it
MMA is a sport, UFC is a brand/promo. UFC simply wants to be the a-league to compete in, just like the NHL or NBA or NFL etc.. it's got rules and referees just like boxing, and it is equally a sport. are wrestling, judo, kickboxing (which are all prominent in MMA) not sports either?
@GribMurder Yes they are sports, they have sanctioning bodies, world competitions, and are represented in the Olympics. MMA on the other hand has tried to be that, but the UFC prevents it from happening. There is something called Dream Championship which is an actual WORLD class tournament held every year, but guess what? The UFC doesn't let their fighters participate in it, and they are buying off every promotion out there. They will end up branding MMA as a whole in a few years.
Anderson Silva is the best fighter in MMA & UFC .
tury2003 4 days ago
Because he can't, because he's learning. Again you are trying to save face for him on something that you don't need to. His boxing defence was being torn apart by a hall of fame boxing trainer, what's to bad about that?
OLDBOY216 2 weeks ago
@OLDBOY216 Exactly. Hes not getting torn apart, hes just learning from the best and theres nothing bad about that.
mspark89 3 days ago
freddie said in an interview he sees anderson as one of those guys that only show a few things in training, at the time he thought the guy was overrated but when he saw him fight he said he was shocked and wanted to work with him again.
mozilla1986 2 weeks ago
i love how every1 is saying freddy is picking him apart..when silva doesnt even go all out. he goes like 20~30% lol. and hes just working on his punching, not trying to out box freedy :|
ganjislammer 3 weeks ago
@ganjislammer 20-30% How do you know? Besides, that's the reason he went there, to improve his boxing. Roach is not showing him how to kick or knee, he's helping him with his hands. That's what makes him a great fighter. In order to get better at that aspect of his game, he's willing to get humbled by a guy who knows more about boxing than him.
OLDBOY216 2 weeks ago
@OLDBOY216 Cuz if u look at his fights, he goes all out. Compare that to what hes doing here, its about 20%. Its really not hard to know lol. Plus Roach even said it was hard to figure out silva since he only goes 20~30% in training. So there u go :) And i know silva is humbling himself obviously so he can learn. I just thought some of the comments were funny how they though roach was tearing him up etc.
ganjislammer 2 weeks ago
the only reason he looks like a rook he's a muay thai trained fighter.
vultureOwns 3 weeks ago
Even Anderson looks like a rooky whne Freddy use some of his old school tricks :D
cypresspuz 3 weeks ago
OMG He's making Silva look like a beginner and he's a champ!!!
RavenChristian 1 month ago 2
Hey guys can someone who knows boxing tell me this..Why is Roach stuffing silva's punches? especially the jab? I always saw this as a bad thing?
Aalic2003 1 month ago
@Aalic2003 Jabs are used as a tool in different ways.I believe that the jab in this case is used as a measuring stick or a setup to throw close range power punches (uppercut or hook..etc)- one of the things Anderson and Freddie are working on in this clip. You don't want to overextend the jab if the opponent is too close because it takes that much longer to bring the hand back to protect yourself.
jgatchal1 3 weeks ago
Its good to see anderson working on some defense. His good chin wont last forever !
DazarGaidin 2 months ago
I <3 freddie roach and silva
highlanderdurp 2 months ago
silva only goes 25-30 percent in practice
mondaywar 2 months ago
-_- when raoch was coorrecting sliva i was literraly shakingmy head and saying "ok" to my self i thought i was thier -_-
Sc2Rage 2 months ago
DOPE:LOVED THAT
fortyozdog 3 months ago
Silva + Roach = epic
595703 3 months ago
Freddie Roach and Anderson Silva together is like Tupac and Elvis making an album... shit is dangerous!!!!
jaysparz83 3 months ago
There's an interview where Freddie talks about how he has to train the MMA fighters differently as far as hand placement, etc.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 months ago
Awesome video, thanks for posting!!
xhazedx 3 months ago in playlist Anderson Silva
finally mma guys are starting to work boxing properly im a massive Combat fan love boxing muay thai karate etc. boxers are the best punchers out there why not learn from them!
calden 4 months ago 5
@lilsm555: ur obviously very uneducated and ignorant for me to even respond to little tantrum. I feel sorry for u.
sprkplg73 5 months ago
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ordepcbmt 5 months ago
it would take trainin wit someone like freddie roach to make anderson look human
GodsMafiiaMan 5 months ago 2
A lot of these guys who give negative comments clearly do not see the efficient boxing techniques that Freddy and Anderson are doing. Plus you can't match an MMA fighter vs. a boxer because they are completely different disciplines. It's like saying a mountainbiker should be able to beat a motocross rider on the track. It's a pointless argument.
sprkplg73 6 months ago 33
@sprkplg73 They are not different disciplines you moron. Boxing is a martial art and its called mix martial arts for a reason. YOU DERP.
lilsm555 5 months ago
@sprkplg73 MMA is not an art. its the sport of fighting. however a u fight is up to u. thats why mma is the best. u can use any martial art or street fighting.
thaistomp 3 months ago
@thaistomp
I think you meant to respond to lilsm555's comment..point well taken though.
sprkplg73 2 months ago
It's obvious that a great MMA fighter like Anderson went to train with a great trainer like Freddy for a reason. I don't think Anderson would waste his time and money if he didn't have confidence on Freddy's training methods. Anderson made his bout against Okami look so easy by just jabbing efficiently and striking with almost no effort.
sprkplg73 6 months ago
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sprkplg73 6 months ago
hes the only mma fighter that can box. really hes beautiful. i hate when people criticize him for what he did against maia. thats similar to what ali would do. talk shit to his opponents in the ring while slowly destroying them. i love ali. hes similar to mayweather too. they are both technicians.
ljitsu 6 months ago
@ljitsu 1 of the problems wit what u said is he didnt slowly destroy maia tho. he def beat him but not destroy neither quickly or slowly. that was the fight that made me fall in fan love wit maia. i think silva simply gassed cuz he, for whatever the reason(s), wasnt able to put maia away n i love how from bell to bell maia kept at it n was tryna fight n box a cleeearly much better striker in silva
GodsMafiiaMan 5 months ago
@GodsMafiiaMan
more like he got tired of Maia not wanting to fight. Maia trying to win MMA belt with BJJ only. Those days are over.
egglot12 5 months ago
@GodsMafiiaMan You're retarded.
MrVoidsec 5 months ago
@MrVoidsec nah i've been blessed with intelligence actually so idk why u said or think that
GodsMafiiaMan 5 months ago
Man I'm sure Freddie Roach is a great coach. However when it comes to mitts, I would love to see silva train with the Mayweather family for a bit.
Heffey02 6 months ago
@Heffey02 dude that little routine mittwork ain't shit, look up Gamboa technical training thats who Silva should be working with!
TerrisJ3 6 months ago
Learning from the best-- how you get to be the best
WilkersonZC 6 months ago
anderson tiene el nivel de boxeo de un amateur sin ofender xd
cHaconBox92 6 months ago
learning from the master freddie
Vengeance9099 6 months ago
Anderson is fairly good with his hands, so it is amazing seeing how easy Freddie pick him apart. Tons of respect!
DeltoiDK 6 months ago 12
@DeltoiDK Anderson is the best boxer in MMA - Freddie Roach.
GeneralRushHour 3 weeks ago
Ok guys, let's just stop with the debate on who will win or who's better, boxing or MMA. They are two sports with differences and arguing which is better and who will beat who is meaningless. Just go and train, spar, and you will know for yourself which suits you best.
Of course, some of the stuff here makes me laugh my head off. BJJ Black Belt in ONE YEAR? HAHAHAHA
toolfan92 6 months ago
Anderson is like a sponge. You can tell he soaks up information well from all kinds of sources.
StAndAl0neCompl3x 7 months ago
it seems like hes not tryin to hard or somethin
agentgear 7 months ago
GOD I LOVE BOXING!!
PharaohII 7 months ago
i wana see pacman spar him for shits n gigs
jake0the0muss 7 months ago
Jandro, u probably have never fought in ur life. Mms is much harder than boxing, much more physically and mentally taxing because you can use most body parts to attack with and can attack most places so there is more o watch for. Plus that laying around wrestling is really frieking tiring. You ever wrestles 3 five minute rounds? You are much more tired than boxing for 5 when you can clinch if you get tired. Wrestling you are always fighting for a better position or the submission
Wawfactor 8 months ago
those shorts juss look straight dorky.
krevdog 8 months ago in playlist anderson silva
@krevdog really? his shorts?
dmp220 7 months ago
@dmp220 yup.
krevdog 7 months ago
I think in any sport there are those guys that could have done well at anything. Anderson is one of them. He actually boxed for a while and did good. He did just tai and did well. He is a master on the ground and is one of the best bjj guys in the world cuz he can effectively us his jits in a real situation and win. He would have dominated boxing or soccer. Don't let the chael sonnet fight get to far into ur head. He is a gifted athlete with true cay like reflexes.
ediot6969 8 months ago
LOOK AT HOW LONG SILva's reach is.. his elbow is so close to his waist.
kingwls 8 months ago
a boxer cant step into the octagon and likewise for a mma fighter, he cant step into the ring
lukewheelermcfc1 8 months ago
Anderson has been training boxing his whole life too, His black belt in Judo and Tae kwon do is just a side order when his in the ring. Boxing is just a side order when in the octagon.
xFunkyChild 9 months ago
Roach is the best trainer. I like his pointers.
aliaki78 10 months ago
anderson is one of the best p4p in mma alright, but if he gets his wish of a match with roy jones jr, even though roy is nowhere near what he was roy will murder him in 3 rounds, you have my word. andersons boxing here looks terrible
TheFcasey 10 months ago
Dude jandro1083 i agree with u at a level but i dont agree with you saying that mma training is not as hard as boxing training. I mean yes it is tough but in mma if your a wrestler you are working your ass off from the first minute you get onto the matt til u r done. Yes i have trained boxing and it is very hard conditioning but mma is also very hard because u have to practice more than one martial art in mma.
jtthunder1234 10 months ago
@DiiVx1 craig mcewen
gmhendry73 10 months ago
LOL this is humiliating, how can anyone like this? He is fucking SLOW and acting like an amateur, did he really think he had a chance when he challenged Roy Jones to a boxing match? LOL
Jandro1083 10 months ago
@Jandro1083 Its almost like he's sparring... oh wait....
35503550 10 months ago
@35503550 Yeah great sparring session for a guy who bragged about boxing being 1/3 of his skills when he challenged Roy Jones Jr. For Christ's sakes he's sparring like he has NEVER done boxing mitts before. Look at Roach teaching him the basics and he's completely lost at a slow ass pace.
Jandro1083 10 months ago
@35503550 Oh and BTW, fun fact, Anderson Silva started a pro career in boxing before MMA. guess what? he quit after his 3rd fight cause he couldn't handle it LOL.
Jandro1083 10 months ago
@Jandro1083 boxing isnt the only martial art on the planet, so why does it matter if he isnt world class when it comes to just useing your hands? Hes a muay thai fighter, which means hes gonna be skilled with using kicks, knees, elbows. Plus he has a bjj black belt, the mans a mixed martial artist, not a boxer....
romes98ify 10 months ago
@romes98ify that's myy point, he's also very average at muay thai tops. He brags and talks shit as if he's a master at everything. That's why MMA is boring, you can't be a master at everything. Martial arts are best at their purest form, something MMA is not. 90% of MMA matches resort to mindless bjj and wrestling cause they get lost and don't know what else to do. Also as for a martial art BJJ isn't such a big deal as people make it seem, anyone can be a BJJ black belt in ONE year time.
Jandro1083 10 months ago
@Jandro1083 what are u talking about.......are you crazy...black belt bjj in one year..do you have any idea what you are talking about...??? try competing and you will understand im a boxer and i train in other diciplines and ill tell you right now...it takes versatility and intelligence not to mention talent and hard work to fight in mma....anderson silva,gsp,bj penn, cain and jose aldo...its not a coincedence these ppl are some of the most respected and accomplished fighters..
ghorbani 10 months ago 3
@ghorbani You a boxer? Really? Doesn't sound like it, i was an amateur boxer and muay thai fighter, also trained some bjj and "mma" (it's not actually a style as people refer to it), as a "boxer" you should know that MMA training is NOWHERE near as tough as boxing and MT training that's a fact. Also most MMA fighters don't even have dedication, they are gassed out after rnd 1. Only a few a true martial artists (Penn, GSP, Machida, to name a few).
Jandro1083 10 months ago
@Jandro1083 I fought Muay Thai but I think when it comes to precision boxing has the deepest talent pool. If you can't out box somebody you lose wherein Muay Thai you can counter boxing with kicks and knees and vice versa. The more that's allowed, the less you have to be skilled in form of striking.
strafer 10 months ago
@strafer True, you have a very solid point there, but like i always say a true boxer can outwork any mma fighter and prevent from being taken down (if you are a skilled boxer and know your basic Muay Thai you have a major edge over most fighters). One major thing i don't like about mma is most fighters don't have discipline or conditioning. You tend to see more mindless brawling and after the 1st rnd and a half they are gassed out.
Jandro1083 10 months ago
@Jandro1083 You don't know mma. mma fighters are far more conditioned than boxers. Grappling alone is more tiring than striking. Ray Mercer said that mma training is harder and it made boxing look easy. An elite boxer can't defeat an elite mma fighter. Boxers have only ONE skill, ONE! mma fighters are fighters from all skills. you think in order for a boxer to go the ground, he must be out wrestled, haha WRONG! there are flying subs. the guy in this video got submitted that way by Ryo Chonan.
str8OuttaNaptown30 10 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 yeah but most mma fighters don't know how to punch for shit, so standing up wise boxers would kill a mma fighter, a mma fighter needs to take it to the ground or he will lose. and by looking at mma fighters, they arn't in as good of condition as most boxers, boxer train to go hard for 12, 15 rounds. watch the ufc, half the time they just stand in front of eachother and wait for the other one to do something and make a mistake.
sk8forlife90 10 months ago
@sk8forlife90 Standing up, boxers may kill SOME mma fighters. Anderson Silva is a mma fighter who can go toe to toe with the best of em. Trust me, a boxer don't wanna step foot in an octagon. Boxers are so one dimensional. They can't check any kick. Can't defend a takedown. Can't defend a submission. Wouldn't know what to do if they got in Muay Thai clinch. Boxing, you can throw punches, that's it. MMA, u throw elbows, punches, kicks, & knees. Also, mma fighters are more conditioned than boxers.
str8OuttaNaptown30 10 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 i would have to disagree with you their. kickboxers and muay thai people don't do good under constant pressure at all, for one because you have to be completely balanced and set up when you throw a kick. your hands are your most dangerous weapon standing up, hands down, not your legs, knees or elbows. and good puncher will beat a good kicker most of the time, that's a rule of thumb. in a stand up battle, just a stand up battle, boxers beat mma fighters hands down.
sk8forlife90 10 months ago
@sk8forlife90 You couldn't possibly believe a boxer can defeat an elite kickboxer? Come on bro, get real. A kickboxer isn't use to being pressured? Have u watched K-1 before? Go look at Melvin Manhoef, I highly doubt any boxer would wanna fight him. And A. Silva may not be one of the best boxers in the world if he was to box, but he sure as hell wouldn't be a slouch. He just schooled one of the boxers at this gym in this video. MMA fighters would kill a boxer in a fight. Look at James Toney. lol
str8OuttaNaptown30 10 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 dude, your a fucking idiot. james toney wasn't even in shape to be in a damn boxing match! he was fat and wanted money. anderson silva sucks at boxing to. he got his ass beat both times in his professional boxing career that's why he quit because mma fighters can't punch. you can't kick when a guy is moving forward and punching you, it wouldn't work.
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@sk8forlife90 Youtube Muay Thai vs. Boxing. The Boxer loses 9 times out of 10.
BoricuaAltaHueso787 6 months ago
@BoricuaAltaHueso787 Its not about the martial art but the person doing it.
MisterTownsend 6 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 and anderson can't box for shit. he couldn't go toe to toe with a profesional boxer, he would die. he even has a few boxing matches, and he loses, he does horrible. a lot of mma fighters think they can box and punch, until they get in the ring with a boxer and they get tooken apart. and i don't see how mma fighters are more conditioned then boxers, boxing is an endurance sport, you got to be able to throw your hands constantly at a high pace. besides, mma fighters look fat.
sk8forlife90 10 months ago
@sk8forlife90 mma fighters look fat? MMA isnt just the heavyweight division dude, many of these guys are ripped. and also, endurance is far more challenging in MMA because of the grappling aspect. Im not exactly very fit, but i can box all day, ask me to wrestle and/or roll and im gassed in 5 minutes. There's a reason why MMA fights, at least in the US, are 3 x 5 mins rounds instead of 12 x 3 mins rounds.
toolfan92 6 months ago
@sk8forlife90 anderson CAN box, just not as good as a decent boxer can. its pretty obvious why mma fighters are poorer at boxing than boxers you know.
toolfan92 6 months ago
@sk8forlife90 Boxers go 12 three minute rds. mma fighters go 3/5 five minute rds. Grappling is WAY more exhausting than striking. Pro athletes do mma training to get in better shape, because the training is so rigorous. Boxers' training is quite easy compared to mma's. In mma, you grapple and strike, so that's why you would SOMETIMES see fighters looking gassed. As for them not knowing how to punch, it's just like boxing. Not every fighter is great strikers, i.e. Ricardo Mayorga. Wild & Crazy!!!
str8OuttaNaptown30 10 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 yeah but ricardo mayorga is overrated, he can only beat crappy boxers, that's why he got beat by the much more well known boxers. and boxing training isn't easy, it's looks easy because they don't do all that cross training crap, but that dosn't mean it's easier. mma fighters do to much crosstraining, that's why they never become to good of fighters. brazilians train more like boxers, and look how good they are at striking. jose aldo, anderson silva. boxing training is rig.
sk8forlife90 10 months ago
@sk8forlife90 Most Brazilians are specialist in BJJ, not boxing. I can name plenty great strikers who arent Brazilian.i.e Gegard Mousasi, Mirko Cro Cop, Melvin Manhoef. Boxing training is not as tough as mma's. Believe me, I dont think either is easy. Mayorga is overrated. But that wasnt the point. Point was that there's a Mayorga in every combat sport. Boxing fans think that just becuz someone isnt an elite striker like a boxer, that they're less of a fighter, when theyre actually more skilled.
str8OuttaNaptown30 10 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 yeah but still, some of the fighters that come out of brazil are the best because they know how to train, their really smart when it comes to training. they are dirt poor so they don't have the money for top of the line gyms everywhere, they use their heads to become the best. they live fighting, that's all they have, so they know what they are doing from experiance. some of the smartest trainers are in brazil. aldo is deffinatly the best striker in mma.
sk8forlife90 10 months ago
@sk8forlife90 Boxers are physical specimens, but ur physique has nothing to do with ur skill. Look at George Foreman in his later years. Most mma fighters aren't fat either. Most of them are stronger and more fit than boxers. Look at GSP, Thiago Alves, Hector Lombard, and others. If ur physique determined ur skill then Fedor Emelianenko wouldn't be referred to by many as the greatest mma fighter of all tme. Face it bro, boxers are one dimensional fighters who get SLAUGHTERED by a mma fighter.
str8OuttaNaptown30 10 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 they get slaughtered in a mma fight, but like i said, if the fight was just a stand up fight ONLY, the boxer would win deffinatly hands down. and even though mma fighters are quite a bit stronger, boxers still punch a lot harder and with more power. but i do agree with what mostly you are saying.
sk8forlife90 10 months ago
@sk8forlife90 no boxers do not punch harder than STAND UP based mma fighters
mma has a lot of professional kickboxers, muay thai k-1 fighters they hit just as hard
what you're trying to say is boxers are more technical AT BOXING ONLY not stand up altogether
Proudtobefilipino033 10 months ago
@Proudtobefilipino033 seriously boxers punch harder then kickboxers, kickboxers arn't very good at punching. look, boxers train for punching only, they dedicate their lives to just practicing punching, they throw way more punches during their work outs, so of course their gonna be better harder punchers, it's just common sense. a boxer would kill a kickboxer stand to imo. the better puncher will always beat the better kicker. boxers punch harder then kickboxers, it's common sense.
sk8forlife90 10 months ago
@sk8forlife90
naw
like you said "IMO" you're right its an opinion Ray Mercer tried k1 kickboxing and he got his ass whooped
i got facts, you got opinions
its common sense
Proudtobefilipino033 9 months ago
@Proudtobefilipino033 dude, you take ONE person, and you think they can represent for all boxers. naw. and ray mercer wasn't even in shape for a boxing match let alone a kickboxing match. where have you seen a in shape boxer get beat by a kickboxer? i don't think their are any videos of that. when i see a in shape boxer that is ready for a serious boxing match get beat by a kick boxer, then i will respect what you say but ray mercer, come on. kickboxers CAN'T punch better than boxers period.
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@sk8forlife90
lol here's my honest opinion
a kickboxer knows how to punch, knees, elbow and clinch
and can stand and bang with a boxer in punching, might not win but can defly survived a boxing match or might even get KO
but a boxer knows only boxing thats it hands only, think about it, its one aspect of stand up fighting
Muay thai offers a whole lot more choice than boxing
as boxing won't survive in a muay thai match
Proudtobefilipino033 9 months ago
@Proudtobefilipino033 a lot of american muay thia fighters beat thailand muay fighters threw boxing because muay fighters in thailand don't throw much punches, they throw more elbows and knees and some kicks. just because a kickboxer knows how to punch dosn't mean he can stand and box with a boxer. you have to practice boxing and punching relentlessly everyday to even be a decent puncher, i've only seen a couple decent punchers in kickboxing, mma and all that stuff.
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@sk8forlife90 No boxer would dare wanna step foot in the ring with a kickboxer. Punching is punching bro. Yeah sure, a boxer may be more accurate and precise with their punches, but on a stand point of punching harder, it all depends on how hard you hit. Take Rampage Jackson for example. He hits harder than most boxers but his striking is very wild compared to boxers. I doubt the average boxer can defeat the average kickboxer. If you think kickboxers can't box then look at Ernesto Hoost's combos
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 i doubt rampage hits harder then most boxers, that's just ridiculous, same thing with kickboxers, and i'll tell you why. a kickboxer mights spend an hour a day training his hands and just his boxing, a normal boxer spends about 4 hours on just training his hands. so of course the boxer is going to have stronger, faster better hands, he practices for several hours more, that makes a huge difference.
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@sk8forlife90 Also, you probably think that a boxer can easily block a kick and be fine. Well, a kick hurts whether u blocked it or not. A kick can break ur arm when blocking it. Look at Rich Franklin vs Chuck Lidell. Also, kickboxers kick so hard that they can break ur bone in half. A kick is much more powerful than a punch. It covers more distance too. Its more effective than the jab. Boxing is not that dangerous of a martial art when you think about it. They're only expected to do ONE thing!
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 by the time you throw 1 kick i can throw 6 or 7 punches. a better puncher will beat a better kicker. and if boxing wasn't that dangerous, then why do a lot of people die in boxing every year? atleast a dozen people die every year from boxing, probably a lot more. all a boxer needs is ONE punch to knock out most fighters who arn't boxers. boxers have stepped in the ring and ko'ed a lot of mma fighters.
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@sk8forlife90 Look, boxing is great. It just doesn't pose that many threats. Go look at some K-1 more and some mma too. You will see that a high level striker would chew the average boxer up, including elite. I don't think you have ever fought against a kickboxer or muay thai fighter. Things u say seem easy, but until u get kicked, kneed, and elbowed you wouldn't truly understand how a boxer would lose. Look at the Aldo vs Hominick fight. Muay Thai vs Boxing. While ur punching, ur gettin kicked
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 hominick is a kickboxer and muay thai person not a boxer, just so you know. goes to show how much you don't know. and botha is a decent boxer who beat a lot of kickboxers in k1 events. virgil kalakoda, boxer, destroyed a lot of people in k1 and other kickboxing events. Yong-Soo Choi did a lot of events vs muay thai fighters and beat them, he was a boxing champion. their are a lot more boxers who defeated numerous kickboxers by boxing if you want me to name more.
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@sk8forlife90 u don't know that buddy, i dont recall me saying muay thai fighters are boxers. Also, if u mean they don't use boxing, then u really don't know anything, because they call it Thai BOXING. Most kickboxers implement muay thai in their fighting, i.e. Overeem. And defeatin bums aint sayin much. U can't name a boxer who defeat an Ernesto Hoost or ones who are actually good fighters. Hominick didnt use kickboxing against aldo. he used only boxing. threw prolly two or three kicks and loss
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 also, let's make this clear, a boxer is going to be aware and careful of a kickboxers legs and a kickboxer is going to be aware and careful of a boxers hands. on a strategic point of view, their are certain kinds of boxers that kickboxers do great against, and ones that they have a hard time with. the boxers that get destroyed are out fighters who wait for the moment when his opponent throws a strike, so he is off balance and capitalize on it, that would be suicide.
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@sk8forlife90 Sports Science showed that Rampage hits with 1800 lbs of force. That's more powerful than most boxers. Now, a boxer do spend more time perfecting his hands, speed, and power. But a kickboxer has ENOUGH skills in boxing to last with a boxer in boxing. Just becuz a boxer is expecting the kicks from the kickboxer doesn't mean anything, becuz the boxer has to determine where the kick is going. A body kick looks like it's about to be a head kick, and in vice versa. Kickboxing FTW bro!!
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 dude, all i have to do is press a kick boxer and he will be forced to move backwards, and you can't kick moving backwards. let alone kick on the inside. and no way a kickboxer has enough skill when they practice boxing at most an hour a day, most kickboxers don't even do that at all, to a boxer, who practices boxing 4 5 6 hours a day. no way, he would die in a boxing match, why do you never see kickboxers box? they get knocked out cold!
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@sk8forlife90 have you ever fought a kickboxer? i box, and when i matched up against a friend of mine who had extremely poor punching but good kicks, i got my lead leg kicked hard. Sure, i'll admit, i beat him and knocked him down with punches, but he's not even a good fighter. i dare say, very very poor. i have sparred with another dude with vicious kicks, he tkoed me with leg kicks.
toolfan92 6 months ago
@toolfan92 the only way to condition to get hit is, to get hit really. and yeah a boxer needs to get kicked in the leg a bit to get used to it, it's something you got to get used to. but if your smart, you will realize that their is ways to nuetralize their kicking. first off, you need to be completely balanced before you kick. if you keep a kickboxer off balanced, you won't get kicked to much. and kickboxers arn't used to getting hit in the head like boxers, meaning they get ko'ed easier.
sk8forlife90 6 months ago
@sk8forlife90 hmmmm, i'd still say a good kickboxer can beat a boxer, as long as he has decent hands himself and good boxing defense. kicks also can come very fast and hard and that surprises the boxer. Dont forget the clinch, many boxers who fight kickboxers forget that when they close the distance, the kickboxer clinches, a few good knees, its all over. Dutch style Muay Thai are good counters to boxers, the guys there have heavy good hands with some kicks, elbows and knees for good measure.
toolfan92 6 months ago
@toolfan92 knees to the body? look boxers get hit in the body a lot so they are used to it. and like i said, a boxer just needs to get kicked in the legs, sparring some, he'll get used to getting kicked pretty fast. kickboxers have no where near as good of hands as boxers. kick boxers are alright or good at somethings, but not really great at anything. boxers are great at punching. you never really see that with kickboxers, because they never spend to much time doing one thing.
sk8forlife90 6 months ago
@sk8forlife90 dude, a boxer who's learned some leg kick defense and similar stuff isnt just a boxer anymore, we are talking about pure boxers here. im a boxer who has learned wrestling and jiujitsu, that means if i get taken down im not exactly clueless, does that mean i will beat a guy with a grappling background? what you are effectively saying is any top boxer could learn to take kicks and knees and go to K1 and KO everyone there. Not gonna happen.
toolfan92 6 months ago
@sk8forlife90 A boxer couldn't even control the distance of a kickboxer either. Close or distant, a kickboxer would most likely win. A kickboxer don't only kick, they knee too. And a knee to the solar plex is devastating. A kickboxer would easily control the range, becuz like i said, kicks cover more range. Also u said the boxers would expect the kickboxer to kick. Well what do you think the kickboxer expect the boxer to do? A one dimensional fighter against a 3 dimensional fighter is gonna lose
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 you can't control the range when you have an aggressive boxer coming at you full force pushing you back, that makes kicking nearly impossible. boxers hands are so lethal, they don't need anything else in a fight hardly. and a knee to the solar plexus is devastating no doubt, but boxers get punched in the stomach all the time, they can take hits to the solar plexus all day. not to mention most boxers do 100's, 1000's of sit ups everyday to have abs thick as steel.
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 continued... now, the boxer that a kick boxer doesn't do very well against is a pressure fighter or a inside fighter. a kick boxer can't throw his devestating kicks unless he is balanced and on the outside a bit. the boxer would have to keep him pressured and keep him off balanced to neutralize the kickboxers devestating kicks. and be at a long range outside if he isn't throwing punches. the boxer could beat the kickboxer provided he did the right things.
sk8forlife90 9 months ago
@Proudtobefilipino033 No he is saying that both mma fighters and boxers can benefit from each other.
xxBINKSx420 8 months ago
@Proudtobefilipino033 GSP trained with Pacquiao and said that he was the fastest and probably one of the hardest punches he;s ever seen and look how small Pacquiao is relative to alot of the MMA fighters. I mean it's obvious a boxer can KO with size 10 oz gloves whereas UFC fighters can mix it with 4oz.. If you gave 4oz gloves to Pacquiao or to Mosley or someone against a UFC figther in just punching, the MMA figther will die. Having said that MMA fighters have other standup tools like kicksknee
musood6630 7 months ago
@musood6630
i respect your opinion
and i guess you're right about punching only
i just don't get why people call boxing the ultimate stand up system
Proudtobefilipino033 7 months ago
@Proudtobefilipino033 Yeah boxing is good for punching. A man that spends his life mastering pugilism will be good at jus tht. Mayweather, Pacquiao etc. are insanley fast and have greater skill in punching compare to MMA, Muay Thai etc. But its not the ultimate standup because in MMA you can kick, knee and elbow etc. So a kick to the leg for example would be really hard to defend for a boxer, all his power comes from the legs and if you chop the legs the tree will fall. That's one example.
musood6630 7 months ago
@musood6630 there's advantages to training equally in both, if you throw kicks against a wrestler you will find yourself on the mat soon enough.. it's also easier to sprawl and shoot in if you focus on your hands.
GribMurder 6 months ago
@Proudtobefilipino033 well, it's good for a lot of things, apart from punching power and accuracy, there are a lot of useful things they put more emphasis on like head movement and footwork which are both crucial for offense and defense...and mastering the jab, which is fundamental for closing the gap, creating a gap, defense, offense etc
GribMurder 6 months ago
@sk8forlife90 jose aldo is primarily a muay thai specialist who use leg kicks ALOT to wear out his opponents. he was also a grappler. anderson is a freak of nature who has koed people with punches, elbows and kicks of all sorts. look i know you are a boxing nuthugger, but boxing isnt the end all of fighting like you are making it out to be. dont get me wrong, i love boxing tremendously but i open my mind to other styles. You should too. just saying. :)
toolfan92 6 months ago
@toolfan92 i like kickboxing almost as much as boxing, but i mean you came with kickboxers always win and they have their pros and cons. but jose aldo and silva are the best strikers, especially aldo. no one in mma puts people away like aldo does. almost all mma fighters boxing is horrible, i mean HORRIBLE. striking in ufc isn't even that good, almost all the fighters are wrestling based.
sk8forlife90 6 months ago
@sk8forlife90 kickboxers can lose too. anyway, mma boxing, there are a few with good one. Aldo and Anderson obviously, Nick Diaz, BJ Penn, Junior Dos Santos these are examples of very good boxers in MMA. Then you have overall strikers like Machida, Shogun, Alves, Overeem, prime Liddell, prime CroCop. Its pretty obvious why striking in MMA wont be as good as those in their kickboxing/boxing counterparts, theres a need to train the wrestling and ground game, takes time out lol.
toolfan92 6 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Really, ok one of the best boxers UFC has is Michael Bisping, go watch his fighit against Hamill, Bisping stuck to pure boxing to counter Hamill's wrestling (he got counter from a kick so he stopped kicking and purely boxed). Look at how gassed out Hamill is after rnd1, at the end of rnd2 he looked like he was dying, yeah some conditioning wrestling gives you.
Jandro1083 9 months ago
@Jandro1083 Bro, Hammil isn't that good. Sure he is a high level wrestler, but he's too one dimensional. Bisping, would get raped by a true mma. Also, u used Hammil as an example, how come u didn't use Rashad Evans or Dan Henderson as an example? They're both high level wrestlers who defeated Bisping. Also, I would bet u have never grappled. If u have u would know that it's far more tiring than striking. Take any conditioned boxer and have him to try and get up from bottom position, he's gassed!
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Oh now Hamill's overrated? Evans was pretty controversial, more like a draw, and Henderson KOd him with a wild punch, NO wrestling involved. Like i said i did take BJJ lessons at the gym with some wrestling, air control is easier on the ground. Trick i learned from my coach, neutralize and stay completely calm, that's it. All these idiots start getting desperate instead of actually thinking and end up getting gassed out. No discipline, that's why MMA sucks.
Jandro1083 9 months ago
@Jandro1083 Yeah Hammil isnt that good. he's not overrated at all becuz nobody but YOU make him seem good. He's alright, that's about it. Who has he defeated that's worth mentioning? Nobody! How was it a draw against Evans when he got taken down 6 times in 3 rnds? He was outwrestled, where was his superior boxing? lol and u obviously NEVER grappled before. How is air control easier on the ground easier when a grown man is on top of ur chest and lungs? pressure on ur lungs is very exhausting. duh
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@Jandro1083 and MMA sucks? wooow we got a hater on deck. I guarantee u that a boxer cant defeat a mma fighter...lol Boxing is boring. I watch the Mosley-Pacquiao card and it wasnt one decent fight on that card. Boxing has been around for hundreds or years and is gettin pushed over by a sport thats only been around for under 20 yrs. haha how sad. MMA fighters are the best fighters on this planet. Most of fights are exciting. Boxing is just a bunch of decision fights. mma is mostly finished fights
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 LOL, boxing being pushed over? Highest paid fighter in MMA history, Brock Lesnar $500k for the Couture fight. That's chump change for a boxer, when a MMA fighter starts winning millions per fight, then you can say it's at least at boxing's level. Also MMA promoters are idiots, making single companies and closed circuits, that hurts the sport. Boxing is what it is thx to cross promotion, btw 90% of MMA fights is man humping, no action.
Jandro1083 9 months ago
@Jandro1083 Correction, Brock makes 5 mil a fight. Just what I'd expect from a bitter boxing fan who can't accept reality. mma fighters don't get paid as much, don't have bigger audiences, hump each other mumbo jumbo. Why wouldn't a sport that's been around longer than all the current American sports today make more money? Boxing is ancient. MMA is only 20 yrs in and is takin away boxin fans and boxers. lol boxers can't fight as well as a mma fighter, nor will they be around much longer. lmao!!
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@Jandro1083 After Pacman vs Mayweather, if that even happen, what's left? That's the only fights fans wanna see. You obviously don't know grappling like u say u do becuz that "humping" is too technical for u to understand. Most mma fights are FINISHED fights!!! Brutal exciting KOs and subs. The majority of boxing fans are old timers who don't like change. The younger generation is moving towards mma. Boxing ratings are plummeting while mma's is skyrocketing. LMAO!!!! Boxing is failing miserably.
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Finishing a fight by KO or Sub does not always = being more skilled. Any one can have a night landing a big punch and some lucky fall into a convenient submission hold by luck *cough* Lesnar/Carwin *cough*, BUT outclassing, outworking, out thinking, neutralizing you opponent for TWELVE rounds, now THAT's SKILL.
Jandro1083 9 months ago
@Jandro1083 Most boxers are skilled disciplined athletes. I can't take that away from them. But mma is more skilled than boxing, for the simple fact that mma fighters acquire more skills. Someone like GSP, Anderson Silva, Jose Aldo are what you called skilled fighters. To be skilled in all areas of combat. That says more than being skilled in ONE department of combat. Lesnar didn't get a lucky sub. You couldn't know grappling, because he advanced his position and submitted Carwin with more SKILL
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@Jandro1083 there is no luck in either. it's called anatomy, anyone can be separated from their consciousness or be submitted. making that actually happen takes skill, you have to find an opening for a submission and get it done. there is no luck in combat sports
GribMurder 6 months ago
@GribMurder No luck? Go look up Fedor's KO over Arlovski, Fedor was OUT on his feet. Walking UNCONCIOUS, throwing out a RANDOM punch out of muscle memory cause you are NOT in your right mind thinking what to set up next, is called PURE LUCK! Luck does happen in combat sports, if i'm fighting and i close my eyes throw a wild swing and happen to connect and KO the opponent (which happens quite a lot in MMA) is simply called a lucky punch.
Jandro1083 6 months ago
@Jandro1083 he saw an opening and exploited it....no different from any other KO. fedor has an iron chin, that's why he survived and won. if you see an opening, throw a punch, and it connects and puts your foe to sleep, it ain't luck. that logic makes all KO's luck
GribMurder 6 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 Oh and btw you say boxing's ratings are plummeting right? How com Mayweather who is considered "boring" had a PPV scheduled the same night as a UFC ppv once (cause White challenged him to a ratings contest) and the UFC got HUMILIATED!!! Mayweather then scheduled another PPV to compete against UFC again and old pussy White changed the date cause he didn't wanna get humiliated again LOL.
Jandro1083 9 months ago
@Jandro1083 Ok, allow me to reiterate. Boxing is older than mma with way more fans due to the fact that boxing is more international and socially accepted than mma. Of course they can get more ratings in a popularity contest. That's like bragging about getting more votes in Texas over someone in Rhode Island. Whoopdee freakin doo. The point of it all is that Boxing's ratings are FALLING, and MMA's are RISING tremendously! That means it's only a matter of time until mma surpass boxing. Sad truth!
str8OuttaNaptown30 9 months ago
@str8OuttaNaptown30 You obviously don't know boxing
misterjay85 5 months ago
@misterjay85 Explain to me what I wrote that made it so obvious.
str8OuttaNaptown30 5 months ago
@Jandro1083 Guy a Boxer that knows Muay Thai is a Mix Martial Artist. That what MMA is taking different Techniques from different Martial Arts and make it your own. If your Boxing training was harder than your MMA training then you had a horrible instructor. BJJ black belt in a year really who are you BJ PENN. Boxing Training is a part of MMA training because Boxing just like Muay Thai, Bjj, and Wrestling is a Part of MMA.
BoricuaAltaHueso787 6 months ago
@Jandro1083 Pure Boxing training doesn't teach you how to do defend take downs; wrestling training does. Pure Boxers are easier to take down than MMA fighters and even easier to submit. Art Jimmerson vs Royce Gracie UFC 1.
BoricuaAltaHueso787 6 months ago
@Jandro1083
ok you are fucking dumb
even professional boxers admitted that mma training is a lot harder than boxing
90% of mma fights ends up in the ground? wtf where do you get these facts
Proudtobefilipino033 9 months ago
@Proudtobefilipino033 Where do i get them? By watching the piece of shit UFC, i prefer Strikeforce cause the refereeing there is better, if they are holding without doing anything for 5 secs the ref breaks and stands them up. UFC just lets them waste the whole damn round. If MMA is so exciting how come everyone was booing the hell out of Evans/Rampage, fucking BORING it was all holding. There are very few exciting fights in UFC, the rest is just wrestling.
Jandro1083 9 months ago
@Jandro1083
I'm done talking to a fuckface like you
peace out
Proudtobefilipino033 9 months ago
@Jandro1083 you do realize that the referees don't work for either strikeforce or UFC, right?
no promo is inherently more boring than another, it's the fighters who you should blame
GribMurder 6 months ago
@Jandro1083 the referees in Strikeforce and the UFC are the same. god.
toolfan92 6 months ago
@ghorbani Also yes you can become a BJJ black belt in one years time. My bjj trainer even told me, and he won a world tournament a few years back by defeating Gracie's TOP student at that time in the tourney. BJJ isn't that complicated when compared to boxing, muay thai, or other martial arts where you need years to master. Hell look at Mir, he was a brown belt i think, and just for wining one UFC fight by a sub, he was given the black belt after the fight. WTF is that shit?
Jandro1083 10 months ago
@Jandro1083 who's your trainer? name? i wanna contact him, i want a black belt in BJJ in one year too :)
toolfan92 6 months ago
@Jandro1083 BJJ black belt in year's time? ????
toolfan92 6 months ago
@romes98ify Boxing isn't really a martial art. I believe it began as a sport.
strafer 10 months ago
Boxing fans and MMA fans need to get along boxing is my first love but I respect MMA.
jat52790 10 months ago
freddie roach knows his SHIT!!
brock780 10 months ago
Roache is amazing man.
TheBoonigga 11 months ago
Very smart on SIlva's behalf to learn from one of the best coaches in boxing today. Like I've always said, in a sport that favors grappling, relying on boxing alone is not the best way to go. However in strengthening the striking capabilities of an MMA fighter as a whole, boxing is an extremely effective form of striking. Much respect to those who showing effective boxing in MMA ( especially with those tiny gloves).
goldturd 11 months ago
3 people need a steven seegal inspired head kick
BurleyKTFO 11 months ago
true true. much respect.
DrDeeAye 11 months ago
Boxing and MMA coexist, and this is proof. An MMA fighter can benefit from learning to hone his boxing skills, and the same can be said about a boxer who wants to step into the MMA ring, training with a world class MMA trainer. Both sports are good, and neither one dominate the other in my view. Peace to all fans of boxing and MMA.
bird4200 11 months ago 29
@bird4200 very true nobody can really say oh well this is better than this, it all depends on the person and how good he his at his (art)
omgitsweeman 8 months ago
@bird4200
nice comment. very smart and right on spot. i wish all boxing and mma fans would stop stupid arguments and learn to appreciate both sports. peace bro
alpen13 7 months ago
@alpen13 Well if MMA were more of a sport instead of a brand, then it might help things, but as long as the UFC is around MMA will never be a competitive sport. UFC/MMA is sports entertainment, NOT competitive a sport. Why? Cause it's just a lame brand, no sanctioning bodies, no wolrd championships, no cross promotions.
Jandro1083 6 months ago
@Jandro1083 there are sanctioning bodies. they're called "athletic commissions". MMA has world championships, and it doesn't need cross-promo to be a true sport. all a sport is, is a physical contest between two or more people with rules to follow.. that's it
GribMurder 6 months ago
MMA is a sport, UFC is a brand/promo. UFC simply wants to be the a-league to compete in, just like the NHL or NBA or NFL etc.. it's got rules and referees just like boxing, and it is equally a sport. are wrestling, judo, kickboxing (which are all prominent in MMA) not sports either?
GribMurder 6 months ago
@GribMurder Yes they are sports, they have sanctioning bodies, world competitions, and are represented in the Olympics. MMA on the other hand has tried to be that, but the UFC prevents it from happening. There is something called Dream Championship which is an actual WORLD class tournament held every year, but guess what? The UFC doesn't let their fighters participate in it, and they are buying off every promotion out there. They will end up branding MMA as a whole in a few years.
Jandro1083 6 months ago
roach only trains the best now!
piloerecter 11 months ago
@piloerecter he was on the ultimate fighter training GSP's team
ClarkRandomness 11 months ago