Chimpanzees are renowned to be very strong and in the wild, adult males chase monkeys through the treetops. That's probably why chimpanzees can remember random sequences of letters better than humans. European letters are reminiscent of features of the landscape, as Arabic letters look like the terrain in Arab and other Middle Eastern lands.
Probably, the brains of chimpanzees are wired so that when they race through the trees they can remember sequences of shapes that they need for handholds.
@andrewburbidge Thinking about the proposition that running up stairs can be more efficient than walking, it seems to me now that it might be true if the speed of approach to the stairs is maintained well during the climb and the speed doesn't fall below about 80-85 percent of the initial value as the person moves from step to step.
I'm reminded of how Sherpas in Nepal are able to carry heavy loads efficiently and that would involve maintaining an even speed. I heard that foreigners can't do it.
@andrewburbidge Humans have an advantage over arboreal apes in that it is more efficient to walk upright with a straight leg. That seems to make it more efficient to walk up a ramp than to walk up a shallow flight of stairs that is parallel to the ramp.
i'm apatheist which means I don't care about religion. buut the bible does say one day with god (if there is one) can actually be millions of years. god (if there is one) created time. so those 6 days could actually be billion of billions of years. the first day could have actually of been 1.4 billions years.
Bible believing scientists should have started with the assumption that light can be sped up, slowed down or bent...i.e. a description of God that says "...He wraps Himself in light."
Also, if you start with the assumption that the Universe was made in 6 days, then that would tell you that light can be accelerated, hence a galaxy 12 million light years away.
Now in our modern era, we do indeed see light being bent, accelerated or slowed down to near zero. Score again for the Bible.
CODATA RECOMMENDED VALUES OF THE FUNDAMENTAL PHYSICAL CONSTANTS: 2002
It is 299 792 458 (exact) metres/sec
It's given as an exact number because it now defines the length of a standard metre.
Light is known to propagate at a speed that varies slightly with the qualities of the space it is moving through. Between us and observable galaxies there isn't much matter or we wouldn't be able to see them, so the light speed has been nearly constant.
@andrewburbidge ....Humans have been measuring the speed of light for what? The last 100 years? And now we think we have it all figured out? The more we learn about it, the more we learn that there is more we never knew before.
Instead of being against the Bible, it actually supports it. Man is slow to learn. God's ways are higher than our ways. (Is. 55)
We build a bigger telescope, we see more that we did not know about before.
@Laylow4now In empty space, light's speed is constant and if an astronomically large square was set up with only weak fields anywhere and the speed was measured it would be found to be approximately the same along each side.
But if there was a massive object in the centre and light were to be transmitted past it, it could be concluded that light was slowed by the central mass. Still, measurements near it would give the usual speed if done on a small enough scale - gravity slows clocks also.
@andrewburbidge ...Ok, so the Bible was right all along. Light can be sped up or slowed down. Score again for the Creator of the Universe who inspired simple sheep herders to write such scientifically profound statements over 4000 years ago.
@Laylow4now There's always boasting with religions but I don't remember anyone saying that there were religious ideas about the speed of light long ago.
Galileo tried to measure the speed of light but it was too fast. In 1676, Olaf Roemer did work out a value for it, at about two thirds of the value now known, with observations of Jupiter and its varying separation from Earth because the time between observed eclipses of Jupiter's moons increases as its distance increases.
@andrewburbidge As is often the way, there are complications in the story of Roemer's work on the speed of light. Cassini first showed light's speed could be determined from observations of Jupiter's moons but left it at that. Roemer, whose first name, I have since seen, was Ole, worked with Cassini and publicized his own, later, more refined results. But even Roemer didn't make a statement of the speed of light in the modern way. See the Wikipedia article for Roemer.
@Laylow4now From Wikipedia: "The earliest evidence of working telescopes were the refracting telescopes that appeared in the Netherlands in 1608. Their development is credited to three individuals: Hans Lippershey and Zacharias Janssen, who were spectacle makers in Middelburg, and Jacob Metius of Alkmaar."
Some have thought that ancient Babylonians might have used lenses for observation but quite likely they weren't good enough quaity. Anyway, nomadic mythmakers didn't know about such things.
Actually the Bible says that Noah's flood occurred when the fountains of the deep broke open. In case you have not noticed, there is alot of water on this planet. Plenty enough to flood the whole world. Impressive take on things from desert dwelling goat herders who never travelled more than 100 miles from home, don't you think?
As for galaxies that are light years away? We are just now learning that the speed of light is not fixed. It can be slowed to near zero or increased.
@Laylow4now It also says that Noah sent a dove out that returned with an olive branch and when the Ark landed they all got out and started up again. Pretty good for a world that had been under water for 50 days. Where did all that water go? How come vegetation suddenly sprang up into instant maturity?
@Saiaton Different mythmakers had different use of language. In very ancient times people hadn't got the words for "picture" that we have now. Some probably thought a painting of a wild animal on the wall of a cave was that animal and the artist had some sort of power over that animal.
Chimps do a sort of rain dance as a storm approaches - I saw it on TV. So our ancestors did, then. When a shaman pointed a fulgurite at someone and said he had a thunderbolt and could use it, some believed him.
@andrewburbidge Good point there. With those chimps, we've lost a lot of senses animals have by relying on intellect alone. A lot of people still can sense rain and earthquakes and other things that get relegated to 'spooky' and ignored for that reason. Children see the 'spirit' of the thing and so do we 'suspending disbelief' in entertainment, the representation and the represented are the same 'essence' - magical thinking. It hits when it is abstract and planners treat models as reality.
@Laylow4now But how could we explain galaxies that are millions of light-years away? They must have been there for millions of years for the light to have reached us.
@andrewburbidge .....This is another example of how the Bible was ahead of the game in the field of science. For many years, scientists held to the idea that the speed of light was a fixed constant at approx. 186,000 Miles Per Hour.
A good study of the Bible would reveal many verses that says God stretched out the heavens. This could indicate faster than light travel. Also, it appears to indicate interdimensional travel, as with the appearance and disappearance of angels.
The people who wrote the bible believed rain came from floodgates in heaven being opened,this in itself proves it is not a book meant to be taken as any sort of historical or scientific account. An inspired guidebook for being a loving individual and enjoying life , maybe, but factual, NO.
@Laylow4now How would you explain the geological evidence that speaks to the contrary? If only you theist were are cynical and skeptical about your own "holy books" as you are about science. Next time you are in need of medical attention, instead of going to a hospital to get that science based medicine, how about you just pray your sickness away.
@w215philly what does medicine have to do with the theory of evolution? we love science...we just hate stupid theories that don't follow the scientific method. evolution has nothing to do with science. people like evolution because it makes man the ultimate supreme being not because it's useful. in fact it's totally useless
@icsvortex665 People like the theory of evolution because "it makes man the ultimate supreme being"? Isn't that what religion does? Genesis 1: 28? If you don't know what science has to do with evolution, then Youtube probably isn't the best place to learn, and I do not have the time nor inclination to enlighten you. If you honestly want to know what evolution has to do with science or medicine, ask yourself why do we experiment new medication on certain animals and not others?
@icsvortex665 why test medications on lab rats and not crocodiles? or on monkeys but not lizards? Why would there be a difference between the two? why would we be more likely to know how the human body would react to a particular medication by experimenting on some animals and not others? Could it be that we are more similar genetically to some animals and not others? Why would that be? How does "god" and the bible explain that? Oh yeah, they don't. Science FTW
In my biology book, it says that humans didnt evolve from apes, but states that we have a common ancestor with apes...like branching out(?). I dont believe this to be true. We are always revising our notes on what we know. I'm sure within a few years or later in the future, we will have yet another theory or some new finds etc.
@pashun88 Who wrote the biology book? People evolved from ape species that died out, so they aren't around now. Humankind is an ape species. There's a famous book called The Naked Ape, meaning people.
@andrewburbidge Human Biology: Concepts and Current Issues, Fifth Edition, Chapter 22 by Michael D. Johnson. It's for a University course I'm taking. It was an interesting read. It said " While Chimpanzees are our closest living relatives, this does not mean we are descended from them. Humans and Chimpanzees both evolved in parralled from a common ancestor that was neither Chimpanzee nor Human." Sounds bizarre huh? But, so does evolving from apes directly. I'll take a look at "The Naked Ape".
The natural order of life's genomes is to go from a state of order to less order. A simple brain does not evolve into a complex brain. See Cornell University's Dr. John Sanford, Genetic Entropy and The Mystery of The Genome. The human genome is deteriorating via the accumulation of mutations. Overall, mutations have the sum impact of being deleterious. Macro evolution is a fairy tale. Atheism is moronic.
@said210884 There are some very interesting facts about our origins. For example, it is thought by some geneticists that we might have a Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) - that's of all people - who was alive maybe within the last 5000 years. If mariners crossed the Atlantic in ancient times, fathered children in the Americas and brought sons to Europe as crew members, then all Europeans are descended partly from them. Quite likely some Mexicans, then. Search with Google for - MRCA ancestor -
@itubenowplease I did eventually see how that might be taken to be humorous. I can't say I haven't relied on a similar line of humo(u)r somewhere also, but when religious types of idea start getting passed around it can be difficult to know what sort of logic might be involved.
For example, someone said 'Mitochondrial Eve' where one might reasonably say 'Mitochondrial non-Eve' because we know better than that old creation myth now, don't we? Universities are religious places, in the UK, anyway.
well, there is speculation that the bible coud be right in some things , in the fact with adam and eve, there is a linkage with the human DNA in the mitochondria cell that we have the traits that links us to one female ancestor....
@sweetiestgirl Religious works are usually right in some things, I think, that helps to get people reading them. With that early ancestor from southern Africa, what made her female offspring attractive? Mitochondria are involved with energy usage in cells so probably it was greater fitness that led to all our cells being descended from her. Maybe in most other characteristics people tended to remain more like their ancestors from their own part of the world.
Wow seeing these comments...Half of the 'religious' people trying to insult evolution-ism have NO idea what they're talking about and make no sense. How sad.
@HealthyHomeGardening Someone noticed! It was derived from a picture of Cab Calloway, which being from about 1930 was probably out of copyright, like the vast majority of pictures from then, not having had copyright renewed. The ape picture was from one found on mongabay.com and changed so much it is an original composition. Technically the whole thing is a lampoon but there was no disrespect intended to Cab Calloway. It was a picture I found that I thought made it work.
@77turtlewax I've just been reading an article from National Geographic, about a fossil bird discovered in China that has been called Eoconfuciusornis. Nobody made the scientists of China believe in Evolution Theory by getting them in groups to chant the same things over and over. To tell them that they don't have anything of value there would be like telling people with African ancestry that we didn't evolve in Africa. In effect it says they aren't allowed to have anything of value.
One example of "self-evident" is how the pious who once scoffed at evolution now say that God created it. Which means he also created a round Earth, which used to be flat.
Still thinking about what chwadazat said, I think the term, self-evident, really means an assumption or hypothesis that other people wouldn't necessarily agree with. Probably the Judaeo-Christian creation myth is the most believed, or told, because it's the favourite in North and South America, Europe and much of Africa.
There are many creation myths. Evolution Theory is self-evident, according to what I hear, although I don't verify the evidence and some people never hear any of it.
Not really, id rather sit around all day eating bananas and not have to be a slave. Also being able to have promiscuous sex with any other female in the group would'nt be bad either. Best of all reduced drama.
Abe Lincoln and Charles Darwin were born on the same day. Lincoln set free the physically enslaved while Darwin set free the mentally enslaved. 80% of the scientific community accepted evolution as the true history of life on earth within only 20 years from the time Darwin wrote it down.
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"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
@chwadazat yeah, but all them fools's dead anyway and your riddle doesn't hold water cause you contradict yourself. darwin is just as inflated as buddha, i mean did he ever say build me a shrine and worship me cause i'm god? any fool can see variety and genetic compatibility eg farm animals, trees, grafting cross pollinating. crediting darwin for anything is like resorting to the simpson or trapezoid rule instead of just taking an integral..
@chwadazat I read recently that Darwin actually thought that the life experience of an organism could somehow change what was passed on to its descendants but in the 20th century that was believed to be quite incorrect, DNA wasn't thought to be altered by changes in habitat in an organism's lifetime, for example. Now it is known that gene expression is affected by nutrition, for one example. So Darwin was right, then wrong then partly right, depending on how you see it.
A physicist/evolutionist who comments regularly on PhyOrg said he discussed the possibility of teaching the world's Top 10 creation myths with a school board. Others laughed and said, "Maybe the Top 3." Ridicule.
He said that the Judaeo-Christian myth wouldn't even be on that list. Conflict.
Is Evolution Theory self-evident Truth now, with qualifications regarding the detail, or is there some way to go?
@myqueensindel It's interesting that large animals seem to survive for maybe a few million years and then they die out. Smaller animals seem to grow large to take their place. I wonder what has been the longest-surviving big animal of all time and could humans break the record. I think marine mammals have done best.
@andrewburbidge Good analysis. I always figured, the smaller they are, the harder they are to be detected, plus they have the advantage of being able to live in dense environments where there are a lot of locations to inhabit.
As long as we survive long enough to make it to a type 2 civilization, we will officially be immortal. Right now, we're at type 0.71, the danger zone aka, the point where we segregate ourselves based on race and therefore feel the need to kill each other.
@myqueensindel Maybe now another planet to live on would come in handy, just in case anything goes badly wrong here. And Mars is the only realistic candidate. People might evolve a bit differently on Mars, but the exchange of genes with Earth would be maintained, I expect.
@andrewburbidge damn, I wish my friend could be smart enough to have this convo.
I was just watching a doc on "terraforming" Mars.
We could genetically engineer humans who are capable of withstanding Mar's altered environment without a suit or anything. Though it would be geological isolation at it's finest. We'd have to make sure that there would be frequent visits and reproduction to prevent creating a new species (though that would take thousands/ten thousands of years).
@myqueensindel look at a monkey then look at yourself and think evolution and there you go 5 fingers two years mouth same nose 2 hands 5 toes and two legs and two arm and two eyes and hair and chest with nipples and knuckles and nails on there fingers they fuck the same way they have spines they have the same feet and monkeys date back before cavemen which we evolved into so we are evolved monkeys EVOLUTION is beautiful
@myqueensindel swaggais1 seems to have been saying apes and humans are so similar that evolution from a common ancestor is the best explanation for it. People hybridise plants and you could usually guess which plants are related and how, when you see them. Similarly with breeds of animals. That understanding would lead to similar reasoning with humans and apes - unless someone had been forbidden from thinking in that way.
@jasonmildward34 I don't believe your grandfather was as old as say... tens of millions years old... that comparison alone makes you a fool, your mother didn't make you a fool... but your ignorance sure did.
@asomeman1223 I beg to differ. Just like an artist or composer having more than one piece of art that has overlying similarities, that just shows similar design from the Same Creator.
i know how to do the same thing on my computer.. compare a ape with man... you can do better than that....what happen to (god created man from the dust of the earth). and in his image... if you dont know the truth now, you'll never know...
Actually we didnt evolve from apes, we are not even from this planet........thats why we dont even know who built the Pyramids.......you can talk about all kinds of stuff but the real truth is..we are of Alien descent..all of us, black, white, brown, yellow....at one time we were all the same but we were located in different loactions of the planet that over time we evolved or adapted to the environment and became invaders as such to other environments and adapted. Peaze
Or how about alien bacteria? There might be bacteria in water on Mars and also, Europa has an ocean. There might be bacteria or more complex living things there.
Are you kidding me? Not from this planet? explain how we could have possibly gotten here. No body has proof there was once life on Mars cause firstly theres no air. How could that possibly happen? We come from chimps descent whether you like it or not. Don't come on youtube to make urself a fucking joke infront of the world.
You know what made the atmosphere? You think it always existed? Here's a fun fact: Single-celled organisms appearred without the atmosphere we have today. When they ate all the existent food, they made their own. And they created oxygen. At first it was poisonous. But the organisms that survived the oxygen started evolving. Plants kept making their own food, and carnivores and herbivores got it from their environment. Oh and the alien argument sounds like a nice joke. And workers built pyramids.
People think that bacteria could survive in rocks that are blasted off one planet and land on another. Bacteria can live off small amounts of water and nutrients in rock. Of course there's no proof that bacteria from Earth reached Mars or the other way around or both ways. But people will probably know whether or not it happened before very long.
@CombatArmsWins Acually I watched a scientific documentary on National Geographic a few months ago. I dont remember exacly what they said, so some of what i say may be false, but the idea is the same. Basically life was wiped out, I think the time the dinosaurs were. Then life came to earth from mars, evolved, and now we know this event of the '2012' so we can avoid it happening again. It sounds far fetched, but interesting. Its only a theory, like everything else. So its not a joke.
Ok, maybe we did evolve from a unique type of ape....it is possible..anything is possible..but no one really knows...right....so doesnt that make you wonder that maybe another posibility is that we didnt evolve from apes....that maybe we are aliens from a lost world...just my opinion it doesnt mean i'm right ..but it seems odd that we dont seem to know our history..and today we are contemplating on wether we evolved from apes or not
But it's only an idea about being from an alien lost world. There's no historical or archaeological evidence for it. What lost world, where? It would have to be orbiting some other star and interstellar travel would be incredibly expensive.
There is a sequence of remains in layers of rock stretching back millions of years that give a record of different types of apes. We fit on that sequence.
Indeed there are more evidence that we are linked to apes than of alien beings. but when scientists study the human brain and find that we only use barely 10%of our brain power it must giv a feeling that our memory has been wiped and could be the reason why there is a missing link betwn us and our true origin. Also, no it aint expensive to travel interstellar if your of high intlegnce but if your human and your mind is limted to Einstine capacity then yes its going to be expensive and imposible.
But stars are so far away. Light takes only a bit more than a second to reach the moon but it would take 4 or 5 years to reach the nearest star. That is about 100 million times as far as the moon. No one has described any practical plan for people to visit another stellar system.
About the brain's capacity, people have ideas about what something like the brain might be able to achieve because of its complexity but they are only interesting ideas.
according to einstiens theory of relativity it is imposible for us humans to travel to another solar system and to travel at even x1 the speed of light, which is rather slow to get to far more distance places. but if you are to harness the laws of space and time then you can go beyond many times the speed of light and its simply snapping from one point to another as apose to our convntional travelling. the key is to break into another dimension and return into normal dimension.
People have been talking about that sort of idea for decades, because of Minkowski's treatment of relativity, especially. But in physics, there is no clear understanding of what it might mean to 'break into another dimension.' Dimensions are features of mathematics, which is very useful for describing the world we see and making predictions about it but mathematics isn't real in the sense that a brick wall is real and will hurt if you walk into it.
@clipbrowser u cant travel faster than the speed of light no by pure speed. no. but if you contrzct space in front of you and expand it behind you, then you can travekl faster than the speed of light. and theis wont make you become more massive and it also wont affect ur time.
@thehowl666 But how would you "contract space." What is "space"? How would you get hold of it to do anything to it? Such an idea is more a part of mathematics, where anything is possible.
@andrewburbidge Essentially you tie a black hole to the front of your spaceship or something similar. There have been some papers of curiosity on the subject of non-local faster than light travel through deformation of space and although no mechanism can be shown to be constructible in practice at present, it is unwise to rule out what remains theoretically possible. Remember the technology of the future would be indistinguishable from magic from our perspective.
@scottclowe You must have thought a lot about this. Have you heard of my theory, Clove Theory, according to which the Universe is a packing of spheres? How would you deform the packing in a useful way?
i have thought that we were possibly genetically modified by aliens. could explain why we gained so quickly from barely surviving to flurishing with so much tech.
People are finding out more about how intelligent birds are - some of them can talk in a way that seems to show they genuinely understand what is said to them. And Apes can converse with people using sign language. Would an alien have modified birds and other apes, to provide companionship for us? Or is advanced intelligence something that develops independently in different species?
how the fuck am i supposed to know? i wasn't proclaiming anything. it's just a thought i've had. why were we on the same level with these animals for so long and now we build spaceships, discover and apply advanced quantum mechanics, and search for a creator and meaning in the universe? comparing a bird SEEMING to understand simple words or sounds and apes using crude sign language to our quick ascent to this level?
obviously it wasn't just because of our communication abilities and thumbs because as you mentioned theses animals and many others show signs of communication. if you want to talk about high intelligence and communication ability in animals look at whales and dolphins, but they are doing no more than living, eating, and breeding.
We are human being superior to any other creatures. Allah created all other creatures for the sake of us (the human beings) so do not put yourself down and become an inferior where Allah created you as a superior to other creatures. We all descend from Adam and Eve but once upon a time Allah got very angry with some people so he mutated them into monkeys. Read the Quran and you will find all these facts.
@mahair1970 Wow...what bullshit. I guess I know more bout Islam then u, and im atheist. Thats not the ideals of the Quran or Allah u idiot. And u come on here saying ur Muslim. Idiot.
@SSJEve People ask those with authority over them about the purpose and origins of what seems important. It's very difficult for someone to say they don't know. Those who are dependent on them would tend to lose their respect. So, appealing stories develop. Could be anything.
Thanks for commenting. Please don't use bad language like this. Perhaps it is reasonable to say that a lot of the Bible was an attempt to account for origins, as well as people could in those times. They didn't know about geology or the fossil record and they were religious people who set themselves up as having authority, so it wasn't easy to say they didn't know much about things.
I was thinking the other day about all the countless millions of billions of stars and planets out there and they obviously aren't there for our benefit. There must be living thinking creatures like us out there also.
Cats and tigers seem to be nearly the same except for their size. The reason they are almost the same is because their DNA is almost the same and the differences between them are from where their DNA is different.
Perhaps "development of DNA" is a good term to use. When an embryo grows, there is development of the DNA, which is initially only in one cell. It is transformed in many different ways to make the structures of the living creature.
DNA can be changed by cosmic rays and by chemical contamination, causing mutations. I wonder how much a man's DNA is changed in this way during his lifetime and therefore how different his Y-chromososme, for example, might be from that of his offspring.
there are many many different reasons to why this "intelligent designer" created everything and the human race, creationism is one. if you can speculate its truth, you might as well consider all the other accredited theorys. there is no fact to how we were created, untill we can wait a couple millenium to compare humans then and now will we be able to seriously prove evolution. the bible can not be tested on its opinions.
But some would say that we are very similar to other apes, especially chimpanzees - the DNA is nearly the same! You do accept that we develop the way we do because of the DNA, I think. Therefore there is the possiblility of treatments for illnesses that are caused by faulty DNA.
If human beings came from Primates such as monkeys and apes, then please explain to me why they haven't continued to evolved? In other words, why are human beings very distinct from primates if we came from them? And why are primates still the same?
It is such a rediculus idea and theory, and all it requires is for one to put on his thinking cap! Evolution is such a farce. God created the universe and every thing it as He is the "First Cause"!
Humans did not evolve from modern day Primates. We shared a common ancestor.
The reason both modern day humans and other modern Primates are distinct for one another is because our common ancestor branched off into different geographical areas, evolving into different species in order to adapt to the different environments faced.
Humans evolved to have more complex brains whereas other Primates are evolved to be more efficient at climbing/food gathering. Both are equally evolved.
That is ridiculous. Mutations are not a hypothesis. Ever heard of cancer?
Mutations are visible throughout nature- flowers growing different coloured leaves are an easy to understand example.
If having different coloured leaves benefitted the flower in some way, it would be more likely to survive and have offspring. It may pass on the mutated genes to its offspring. These offspring are then more likely to survive. Over time you have evolution.
I have just proved to you that it is not ridiculous and perfectly possible. Evolution serves numerous purposes, such as understanding and fighting disease causing pathogens. I fail to see how Intelligent Design and science associated with it helps to further improve human life.
Do me and you a big favor: Please look here on youtube at a very powerful study entitled: "The Case For A Creator" by Lee Strobel. It has 10 very short parts to the study. Listen to the information as best as you can with a genuine sense of openess and see what you learn.
Then compare your belief in evolution with the evidence for a Creator on these tapes and see where the evidence leads you. I promise the evidence will point to an Intelligent Designer who is none other than God!
A problem is that people don't listen to what other people are saying. It's sometimes thought of as disloyal for people with religious views to do such a thing. Intellectual development might be thought of as something to be fought against for some religious types. What might be an interesting discussion easily descends into a shouting match. I have better things to be doing.
Typical scared so-called Atheist! Very typical. If you are so convinced you're right and I'm wrong, then give those videos a look. What are you afraid of? Truth?
I don't want to waste my time looking at these videos whilst I have exams to be revising for. I think it's pretty logical to believe that if there were videos that disproved a theory that much of biology is built on, they would be famous, well known, part of scientific study and I probably would have already seen them.
I don't believe you to be a 'typical' christian. I actually believe you to be a typical twat. If you know so much, answer my questions instead of insulting me.
I apologise. I just despise being called a "Typical scared so-called Atheist!" Then have the person attempt to deny that mutations exist, an utter fallacy.
Religious ideas are derived from earlier ideas, recycled and then presented as 'the one true belief.'
Gods of one religion sometimes become insults in another religion.
Tuatha Da Danaan were Celtic Gods, made famous in stories associated with Tara. I think there is a good case that Tuatha was turned by followers of later religions into an insult. The -atha is probably connhected to Arthur, as with the mythical king - which is partly an English tradition.
Chimpanzees have been shown to be able to remember sequences of letters better than people can, though that doesn't mean they understand the significance of letters, of course. When hunting, they move very rapidly through trees and need to remember sequences of shapes of parts of branches, which are like the shapes of letters. Maybe that is why they evolved further than humans in that respect.
what? because i have the words crazy, wow and gamer as a youtube account name? thats got nothing to do with anything asshole. those are just random words i pulled out my ass coz nothing associated with Atheist would work. gtfo youtube mindfuck.
Darwin did not say we came from monkeys, or apes, or bonoboes but rather we came from a common ancestor. related to the primates some where down the line.
why dont the lower ranked male Gorilla's in a clan have sex with each other? they cant with the females, and no there is been ZERO recorded times of 2 male gorilla's having sex
Also, why is there not any recorded time of a Gorilla taking a stick and making an Idol to worship out of it? which we have been doing for thousands of years, and yet a gorilla STILL has not figured that out?
A documentay about chimpanzees in Africa, where the two leading males were called Frodo and Freud, showed the leader of the clan thrashing about in the forest when there was a thunderstorm. He attached himself to the power of the storm - a rain dance. People do it and have attached themselves to other apparent powers also. That is the origin of some aspects of religion.
-Why would they? Two male gorillas mating serves no purpose to the group.
-Humans evolved complex brains, more capable of solving problems than gorillas. This complex mind eventually lead to us questioning our existence and coming up with the idea of gods. Gorillas are evolved to be more efficient at gathering food and climbing etcetera, why would they have a need to worship a stick?
Chimpanzees are renowned to be very strong and in the wild, adult males chase monkeys through the treetops. That's probably why chimpanzees can remember random sequences of letters better than humans. European letters are reminiscent of features of the landscape, as Arabic letters look like the terrain in Arab and other Middle Eastern lands.
Probably, the brains of chimpanzees are wired so that when they race through the trees they can remember sequences of shapes that they need for handholds.
andrewburbidge 3 months ago
@andrewburbidge Thinking about the proposition that running up stairs can be more efficient than walking, it seems to me now that it might be true if the speed of approach to the stairs is maintained well during the climb and the speed doesn't fall below about 80-85 percent of the initial value as the person moves from step to step.
I'm reminded of how Sherpas in Nepal are able to carry heavy loads efficiently and that would involve maintaining an even speed. I heard that foreigners can't do it.
andrewburbidge 3 months ago
@andrewburbidge Humans have an advantage over arboreal apes in that it is more efficient to walk upright with a straight leg. That seems to make it more efficient to walk up a ramp than to walk up a shallow flight of stairs that is parallel to the ramp.
andrewburbidge 3 months ago
i'm apatheist which means I don't care about religion. buut the bible does say one day with god (if there is one) can actually be millions of years. god (if there is one) created time. so those 6 days could actually be billion of billions of years. the first day could have actually of been 1.4 billions years.
IcyBAmoney 6 months ago
@stinkittodaman I'm pretty sure you are an ape :P
icsvortex665 6 months ago
Bible believing scientists should have started with the assumption that light can be sped up, slowed down or bent...i.e. a description of God that says "...He wraps Himself in light."
Also, if you start with the assumption that the Universe was made in 6 days, then that would tell you that light can be accelerated, hence a galaxy 12 million light years away.
Now in our modern era, we do indeed see light being bent, accelerated or slowed down to near zero. Score again for the Bible.
Laylow4now 9 months ago
@Laylow4now
I've got the speed of light from here:
CODATA RECOMMENDED VALUES OF THE FUNDAMENTAL PHYSICAL CONSTANTS: 2002
It is 299 792 458 (exact) metres/sec
It's given as an exact number because it now defines the length of a standard metre.
Light is known to propagate at a speed that varies slightly with the qualities of the space it is moving through. Between us and observable galaxies there isn't much matter or we wouldn't be able to see them, so the light speed has been nearly constant.
andrewburbidge 9 months ago
@andrewburbidge ....Humans have been measuring the speed of light for what? The last 100 years? And now we think we have it all figured out? The more we learn about it, the more we learn that there is more we never knew before.
Instead of being against the Bible, it actually supports it. Man is slow to learn. God's ways are higher than our ways. (Is. 55)
We build a bigger telescope, we see more that we did not know about before.
This is exactly what the Bible said would happen.
Laylow4now 9 months ago
@andrewburbidge ....so light speed varies? Or is it constant? You just said both, and I am confused.
Laylow4now 4 months ago
@Laylow4now In empty space, light's speed is constant and if an astronomically large square was set up with only weak fields anywhere and the speed was measured it would be found to be approximately the same along each side.
But if there was a massive object in the centre and light were to be transmitted past it, it could be concluded that light was slowed by the central mass. Still, measurements near it would give the usual speed if done on a small enough scale - gravity slows clocks also.
andrewburbidge 4 months ago
@andrewburbidge ...Ok, so the Bible was right all along. Light can be sped up or slowed down. Score again for the Creator of the Universe who inspired simple sheep herders to write such scientifically profound statements over 4000 years ago.
Laylow4now 4 months ago
@Laylow4now There's always boasting with religions but I don't remember anyone saying that there were religious ideas about the speed of light long ago.
Galileo tried to measure the speed of light but it was too fast. In 1676, Olaf Roemer did work out a value for it, at about two thirds of the value now known, with observations of Jupiter and its varying separation from Earth because the time between observed eclipses of Jupiter's moons increases as its distance increases.
andrewburbidge 3 months ago
@andrewburbidge As is often the way, there are complications in the story of Roemer's work on the speed of light. Cassini first showed light's speed could be determined from observations of Jupiter's moons but left it at that. Roemer, whose first name, I have since seen, was Ole, worked with Cassini and publicized his own, later, more refined results. But even Roemer didn't make a statement of the speed of light in the modern way. See the Wikipedia article for Roemer.
andrewburbidge 3 months ago
@Laylow4now From Wikipedia: "The earliest evidence of working telescopes were the refracting telescopes that appeared in the Netherlands in 1608. Their development is credited to three individuals: Hans Lippershey and Zacharias Janssen, who were spectacle makers in Middelburg, and Jacob Metius of Alkmaar."
Some have thought that ancient Babylonians might have used lenses for observation but quite likely they weren't good enough quaity. Anyway, nomadic mythmakers didn't know about such things.
andrewburbidge 9 months ago
Actually the Bible says that Noah's flood occurred when the fountains of the deep broke open. In case you have not noticed, there is alot of water on this planet. Plenty enough to flood the whole world. Impressive take on things from desert dwelling goat herders who never travelled more than 100 miles from home, don't you think?
As for galaxies that are light years away? We are just now learning that the speed of light is not fixed. It can be slowed to near zero or increased.
Laylow4now 9 months ago
@Laylow4now It also says that Noah sent a dove out that returned with an olive branch and when the Ark landed they all got out and started up again. Pretty good for a world that had been under water for 50 days. Where did all that water go? How come vegetation suddenly sprang up into instant maturity?
Saiaton 8 months ago
@Saiaton Different mythmakers had different use of language. In very ancient times people hadn't got the words for "picture" that we have now. Some probably thought a painting of a wild animal on the wall of a cave was that animal and the artist had some sort of power over that animal.
Chimps do a sort of rain dance as a storm approaches - I saw it on TV. So our ancestors did, then. When a shaman pointed a fulgurite at someone and said he had a thunderbolt and could use it, some believed him.
andrewburbidge 8 months ago
@andrewburbidge Good point there. With those chimps, we've lost a lot of senses animals have by relying on intellect alone. A lot of people still can sense rain and earthquakes and other things that get relegated to 'spooky' and ignored for that reason. Children see the 'spirit' of the thing and so do we 'suspending disbelief' in entertainment, the representation and the represented are the same 'essence' - magical thinking. It hits when it is abstract and planners treat models as reality.
Saiaton 8 months ago
About half-way through that, I saw what looked like an old dude that bums money from people at the gas station.
Evolution!!! What a crock of steaming B.S. !!!!
This world is only 6000 years old.
Laylow4now 9 months ago
@Laylow4now But how could we explain galaxies that are millions of light-years away? They must have been there for millions of years for the light to have reached us.
andrewburbidge 9 months ago
@andrewburbidge .....This is another example of how the Bible was ahead of the game in the field of science. For many years, scientists held to the idea that the speed of light was a fixed constant at approx. 186,000 Miles Per Hour.
A good study of the Bible would reveal many verses that says God stretched out the heavens. This could indicate faster than light travel. Also, it appears to indicate interdimensional travel, as with the appearance and disappearance of angels.
Laylow4now 9 months ago
@Laylow4now
The people who wrote the bible believed rain came from floodgates in heaven being opened,this in itself proves it is not a book meant to be taken as any sort of historical or scientific account. An inspired guidebook for being a loving individual and enjoying life , maybe, but factual, NO.
TPsynth 9 months ago
@Laylow4now How would you explain the geological evidence that speaks to the contrary? If only you theist were are cynical and skeptical about your own "holy books" as you are about science. Next time you are in need of medical attention, instead of going to a hospital to get that science based medicine, how about you just pray your sickness away.
w215philly 7 months ago
@w215philly what does medicine have to do with the theory of evolution? we love science...we just hate stupid theories that don't follow the scientific method. evolution has nothing to do with science. people like evolution because it makes man the ultimate supreme being not because it's useful. in fact it's totally useless
icsvortex665 6 months ago
@icsvortex665 People like the theory of evolution because "it makes man the ultimate supreme being"? Isn't that what religion does? Genesis 1: 28? If you don't know what science has to do with evolution, then Youtube probably isn't the best place to learn, and I do not have the time nor inclination to enlighten you. If you honestly want to know what evolution has to do with science or medicine, ask yourself why do we experiment new medication on certain animals and not others?
w215philly 6 months ago
@icsvortex665 why test medications on lab rats and not crocodiles? or on monkeys but not lizards? Why would there be a difference between the two? why would we be more likely to know how the human body would react to a particular medication by experimenting on some animals and not others? Could it be that we are more similar genetically to some animals and not others? Why would that be? How does "god" and the bible explain that? Oh yeah, they don't. Science FTW
w215philly 6 months ago
@Laylow4now Really? Only 6,000 years? WTF it's 4.5 billion, and we (Homo sapiens) came along some 25,000 years ago.
CallOFDutyMVP666 6 months ago
In my biology book, it says that humans didnt evolve from apes, but states that we have a common ancestor with apes...like branching out(?). I dont believe this to be true. We are always revising our notes on what we know. I'm sure within a few years or later in the future, we will have yet another theory or some new finds etc.
pashun88 9 months ago
@pashun88 Who wrote the biology book? People evolved from ape species that died out, so they aren't around now. Humankind is an ape species. There's a famous book called The Naked Ape, meaning people.
andrewburbidge 9 months ago
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pashun88 9 months ago
@andrewburbidge Human Biology: Concepts and Current Issues, Fifth Edition, Chapter 22 by Michael D. Johnson. It's for a University course I'm taking. It was an interesting read. It said " While Chimpanzees are our closest living relatives, this does not mean we are descended from them. Humans and Chimpanzees both evolved in parralled from a common ancestor that was neither Chimpanzee nor Human." Sounds bizarre huh? But, so does evolving from apes directly. I'll take a look at "The Naked Ape".
pashun88 9 months ago
What do people mean by the word, 'life'? Including bacteria, which planet, or even which star, did the first bacteria come from? No one knows that.
andrewburbidge 11 months ago
@andrewburbidge
That is a wrong question.,..
S00rabh 11 months ago
HEY HATERS WATCH YOU IDOL RICHARD DAWKINS JUST CONFESSING THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW THE ORIGIN OF LIFE L.O.L
watch?v=DSM3BpTrA88
JesusRealTV 11 months ago
@JesusRealTV a science have been debunked
lordtruthbehold 11 months ago
The natural order of life's genomes is to go from a state of order to less order. A simple brain does not evolve into a complex brain. See Cornell University's Dr. John Sanford, Genetic Entropy and The Mystery of The Genome. The human genome is deteriorating via the accumulation of mutations. Overall, mutations have the sum impact of being deleterious. Macro evolution is a fairy tale. Atheism is moronic.
achilles197474 1 year ago
what so im decended from Mexicans??
said210884 1 year ago 2
@said210884 There are some very interesting facts about our origins. For example, it is thought by some geneticists that we might have a Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) - that's of all people - who was alive maybe within the last 5000 years. If mariners crossed the Atlantic in ancient times, fathered children in the Americas and brought sons to Europe as crew members, then all Europeans are descended partly from them. Quite likely some Mexicans, then. Search with Google for - MRCA ancestor -
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
@said210884 as a mexican american i find your comment hilarious lmfao!
BEARARMZ 1 year ago
@itubenowplease I did eventually see how that might be taken to be humorous. I can't say I haven't relied on a similar line of humo(u)r somewhere also, but when religious types of idea start getting passed around it can be difficult to know what sort of logic might be involved.
For example, someone said 'Mitochondrial Eve' where one might reasonably say 'Mitochondrial non-Eve' because we know better than that old creation myth now, don't we? Universities are religious places, in the UK, anyway.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
@itubenowplease I wasn't saying it. Was someone else implying it? No one mentioned Mexico.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
well, there is speculation that the bible coud be right in some things , in the fact with adam and eve, there is a linkage with the human DNA in the mitochondria cell that we have the traits that links us to one female ancestor....
sweetiestgirl 1 year ago
@sweetiestgirl Religious works are usually right in some things, I think, that helps to get people reading them. With that early ancestor from southern Africa, what made her female offspring attractive? Mitochondria are involved with energy usage in cells so probably it was greater fitness that led to all our cells being descended from her. Maybe in most other characteristics people tended to remain more like their ancestors from their own part of the world.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
Wow seeing these comments...Half of the 'religious' people trying to insult evolution-ism have NO idea what they're talking about and make no sense. How sad.
SSJEve 1 year ago
Isn't that Cab Calloway?
HealthyHomeGardening 1 year ago
@HealthyHomeGardening Someone noticed! It was derived from a picture of Cab Calloway, which being from about 1930 was probably out of copyright, like the vast majority of pictures from then, not having had copyright renewed. The ape picture was from one found on mongabay.com and changed so much it is an original composition. Technically the whole thing is a lampoon but there was no disrespect intended to Cab Calloway. It was a picture I found that I thought made it work.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
The creation and where we came from is far to complicated to be 100% sure of. Are very existence is amazing.
77turtlewax 1 year ago
@77turtlewax I've just been reading an article from National Geographic, about a fossil bird discovered in China that has been called Eoconfuciusornis. Nobody made the scientists of China believe in Evolution Theory by getting them in groups to chant the same things over and over. To tell them that they don't have anything of value there would be like telling people with African ancestry that we didn't evolve in Africa. In effect it says they aren't allowed to have anything of value.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
One example of "self-evident" is how the pious who once scoffed at evolution now say that God created it. Which means he also created a round Earth, which used to be flat.
owlcu 1 year ago
@owlcu If people want to say something is "self-evident", that's all right by me. It's what comes after it that is the most important.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
Still thinking about what chwadazat said, I think the term, self-evident, really means an assumption or hypothesis that other people wouldn't necessarily agree with. Probably the Judaeo-Christian creation myth is the most believed, or told, because it's the favourite in North and South America, Europe and much of Africa.
There are many creation myths. Evolution Theory is self-evident, according to what I hear, although I don't verify the evidence and some people never hear any of it.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
creeeeepy
sophiethegreat9 1 year ago
lol..
iamalmightyme 1 year ago
Apes are ugly
thrx149 1 year ago
Humans are the ape that got lucky
SimplePlan316 1 year ago
@SimplePlan316
Not really, id rather sit around all day eating bananas and not have to be a slave. Also being able to have promiscuous sex with any other female in the group would'nt be bad either. Best of all reduced drama.
CantWeedThis 1 year ago
@CantWeedThis Of course, you'd have to go and forage for the bananas. Then there are the leopards.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
Abe Lincoln and Charles Darwin were born on the same day. Lincoln set free the physically enslaved while Darwin set free the mentally enslaved. 80% of the scientific community accepted evolution as the true history of life on earth within only 20 years from the time Darwin wrote it down.
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"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
chwadazat 1 year ago
@chwadazat yeah, but all them fools's dead anyway and your riddle doesn't hold water cause you contradict yourself. darwin is just as inflated as buddha, i mean did he ever say build me a shrine and worship me cause i'm god? any fool can see variety and genetic compatibility eg farm animals, trees, grafting cross pollinating. crediting darwin for anything is like resorting to the simpson or trapezoid rule instead of just taking an integral..
pigknuckles211 1 year ago
@chwadazat I read recently that Darwin actually thought that the life experience of an organism could somehow change what was passed on to its descendants but in the 20th century that was believed to be quite incorrect, DNA wasn't thought to be altered by changes in habitat in an organism's lifetime, for example. Now it is known that gene expression is affected by nutrition, for one example. So Darwin was right, then wrong then partly right, depending on how you see it.
What is Truth? See next.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
@chwadazat
A physicist/evolutionist who comments regularly on PhyOrg said he discussed the possibility of teaching the world's Top 10 creation myths with a school board. Others laughed and said, "Maybe the Top 3." Ridicule.
He said that the Judaeo-Christian myth wouldn't even be on that list. Conflict.
Is Evolution Theory self-evident Truth now, with qualifications regarding the detail, or is there some way to go?
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
it's funny how apes and chimps just stopped evolving into humans.this stupid ass theory makes no sense to me
shitniggerdicknigger 1 year ago
@shitniggerdicknigger
u got it dude. Gawd & his magic 4eva. Intelligent design ftw woot woot
ButterOnCorn 1 year ago
The white man if he believed that his grandfather a monkey It is his problem ,I as a Muslim I believe that my grandfather is Adam
DAMMAMA 1 year ago
@DAMMAMA Nobody believes man came from monkeys. The only people who believe that are creationists who don't do their research.
myqueensindel 1 year ago
@myqueensindel It's interesting that large animals seem to survive for maybe a few million years and then they die out. Smaller animals seem to grow large to take their place. I wonder what has been the longest-surviving big animal of all time and could humans break the record. I think marine mammals have done best.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
@andrewburbidge Good analysis. I always figured, the smaller they are, the harder they are to be detected, plus they have the advantage of being able to live in dense environments where there are a lot of locations to inhabit.
As long as we survive long enough to make it to a type 2 civilization, we will officially be immortal. Right now, we're at type 0.71, the danger zone aka, the point where we segregate ourselves based on race and therefore feel the need to kill each other.
myqueensindel 1 year ago
@myqueensindel Maybe now another planet to live on would come in handy, just in case anything goes badly wrong here. And Mars is the only realistic candidate. People might evolve a bit differently on Mars, but the exchange of genes with Earth would be maintained, I expect.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
@andrewburbidge damn, I wish my friend could be smart enough to have this convo.
I was just watching a doc on "terraforming" Mars.
We could genetically engineer humans who are capable of withstanding Mar's altered environment without a suit or anything. Though it would be geological isolation at it's finest. We'd have to make sure that there would be frequent visits and reproduction to prevent creating a new species (though that would take thousands/ten thousands of years).
myqueensindel 1 year ago
@myqueensindel look at a monkey then look at yourself and think evolution and there you go 5 fingers two years mouth same nose 2 hands 5 toes and two legs and two arm and two eyes and hair and chest with nipples and knuckles and nails on there fingers they fuck the same way they have spines they have the same feet and monkeys date back before cavemen which we evolved into so we are evolved monkeys EVOLUTION is beautiful
swaggais1 1 year ago
@swaggais1 I don't get what point you're tryinng to make here
myqueensindel 1 year ago
@myqueensindel swaggais1 seems to have been saying apes and humans are so similar that evolution from a common ancestor is the best explanation for it. People hybridise plants and you could usually guess which plants are related and how, when you see them. Similarly with breeds of animals. That understanding would lead to similar reasoning with humans and apes - unless someone had been forbidden from thinking in that way.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
@jasonmildward34 I'm not the one typing in broken english...
hydrosapien 2 years ago
@jasonmildward34 I'm not even sure you can understand yourself, haha.
hydrosapien 2 years ago
@jasonmildward34 I don't believe your grandfather was as old as say... tens of millions years old... that comparison alone makes you a fool, your mother didn't make you a fool... but your ignorance sure did.
That, and your complete disregard for grammar.
hydrosapien 2 years ago
Man, that kinda looks like Brad Pitt towards the end
chedachzballz 2 years ago 2
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Ok...we did NOT evolve from APES!
oxygendestroyer1995 2 years ago
@oxygendestroyer1995
Good job! Us and apes share an ancestor that we evolved from. Gosh your smart
TOMisNOTfunny 2 years ago 11
We have similair DNA to the apes.........So that proves that we have to have SOME relitivaty to them
asomeman1223 2 years ago 4
@asomeman1223 I beg to differ. Just like an artist or composer having more than one piece of art that has overlying similarities, that just shows similar design from the Same Creator.
chedachzballz 2 years ago
Your creator is rather scatterbrained...
2Cense 2 years ago
@oxygendestroyer1995 Because....? Ur statement has no credibility or value.
SSJEve 1 year ago
i know how to do the same thing on my computer.. compare a ape with man... you can do better than that....what happen to (god created man from the dust of the earth). and in his image... if you dont know the truth now, you'll never know...
bossladiie1 2 years ago
Actually we didnt evolve from apes, we are not even from this planet........thats why we dont even know who built the Pyramids.......you can talk about all kinds of stuff but the real truth is..we are of Alien descent..all of us, black, white, brown, yellow....at one time we were all the same but we were located in different loactions of the planet that over time we evolved or adapted to the environment and became invaders as such to other environments and adapted. Peaze
clipbrowser 2 years ago
Or how about alien bacteria? There might be bacteria in water on Mars and also, Europa has an ocean. There might be bacteria or more complex living things there.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
yeah thats possible
clipbrowser 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? Not from this planet? explain how we could have possibly gotten here. No body has proof there was once life on Mars cause firstly theres no air. How could that possibly happen? We come from chimps descent whether you like it or not. Don't come on youtube to make urself a fucking joke infront of the world.
CombatArmsWins 2 years ago
You know what made the atmosphere? You think it always existed? Here's a fun fact: Single-celled organisms appearred without the atmosphere we have today. When they ate all the existent food, they made their own. And they created oxygen. At first it was poisonous. But the organisms that survived the oxygen started evolving. Plants kept making their own food, and carnivores and herbivores got it from their environment. Oh and the alien argument sounds like a nice joke. And workers built pyramids.
justforflag2 2 years ago
People think that bacteria could survive in rocks that are blasted off one planet and land on another. Bacteria can live off small amounts of water and nutrients in rock. Of course there's no proof that bacteria from Earth reached Mars or the other way around or both ways. But people will probably know whether or not it happened before very long.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
@CombatArmsWins Acually I watched a scientific documentary on National Geographic a few months ago. I dont remember exacly what they said, so some of what i say may be false, but the idea is the same. Basically life was wiped out, I think the time the dinosaurs were. Then life came to earth from mars, evolved, and now we know this event of the '2012' so we can avoid it happening again. It sounds far fetched, but interesting. Its only a theory, like everything else. So its not a joke.
SSJEve 1 year ago
Mmmmk
You realize the theory isn't that we evolved from Apes but that we evolved from a common ancestory of both us and apes.. right?
havenae 2 years ago
No, we evolved from apes, but not the sort of apes that are alive today.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
Ok, maybe we did evolve from a unique type of ape....it is possible..anything is possible..but no one really knows...right....so doesnt that make you wonder that maybe another posibility is that we didnt evolve from apes....that maybe we are aliens from a lost world...just my opinion it doesnt mean i'm right ..but it seems odd that we dont seem to know our history..and today we are contemplating on wether we evolved from apes or not
clipbrowser 2 years ago
But it's only an idea about being from an alien lost world. There's no historical or archaeological evidence for it. What lost world, where? It would have to be orbiting some other star and interstellar travel would be incredibly expensive.
There is a sequence of remains in layers of rock stretching back millions of years that give a record of different types of apes. We fit on that sequence.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
Indeed there are more evidence that we are linked to apes than of alien beings. but when scientists study the human brain and find that we only use barely 10%of our brain power it must giv a feeling that our memory has been wiped and could be the reason why there is a missing link betwn us and our true origin. Also, no it aint expensive to travel interstellar if your of high intlegnce but if your human and your mind is limted to Einstine capacity then yes its going to be expensive and imposible.
clipbrowser 2 years ago
But stars are so far away. Light takes only a bit more than a second to reach the moon but it would take 4 or 5 years to reach the nearest star. That is about 100 million times as far as the moon. No one has described any practical plan for people to visit another stellar system.
About the brain's capacity, people have ideas about what something like the brain might be able to achieve because of its complexity but they are only interesting ideas.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
according to einstiens theory of relativity it is imposible for us humans to travel to another solar system and to travel at even x1 the speed of light, which is rather slow to get to far more distance places. but if you are to harness the laws of space and time then you can go beyond many times the speed of light and its simply snapping from one point to another as apose to our convntional travelling. the key is to break into another dimension and return into normal dimension.
clipbrowser 2 years ago
People have been talking about that sort of idea for decades, because of Minkowski's treatment of relativity, especially. But in physics, there is no clear understanding of what it might mean to 'break into another dimension.' Dimensions are features of mathematics, which is very useful for describing the world we see and making predictions about it but mathematics isn't real in the sense that a brick wall is real and will hurt if you walk into it.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
@clipbrowser u cant travel faster than the speed of light no by pure speed. no. but if you contrzct space in front of you and expand it behind you, then you can travekl faster than the speed of light. and theis wont make you become more massive and it also wont affect ur time.
thehowl666 1 year ago
@thehowl666 But how would you "contract space." What is "space"? How would you get hold of it to do anything to it? Such an idea is more a part of mathematics, where anything is possible.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
@andrewburbidge how? the same way worm holes and space time continuem work..........magic
thehowl666 1 year ago
@andrewburbidge Essentially you tie a black hole to the front of your spaceship or something similar. There have been some papers of curiosity on the subject of non-local faster than light travel through deformation of space and although no mechanism can be shown to be constructible in practice at present, it is unwise to rule out what remains theoretically possible. Remember the technology of the future would be indistinguishable from magic from our perspective.
scottclowe 1 year ago
@scottclowe You must have thought a lot about this. Have you heard of my theory, Clove Theory, according to which the Universe is a packing of spheres? How would you deform the packing in a useful way?
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
i have thought that we were possibly genetically modified by aliens. could explain why we gained so quickly from barely surviving to flurishing with so much tech.
outkast353 2 years ago
People are finding out more about how intelligent birds are - some of them can talk in a way that seems to show they genuinely understand what is said to them. And Apes can converse with people using sign language. Would an alien have modified birds and other apes, to provide companionship for us? Or is advanced intelligence something that develops independently in different species?
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
how the fuck am i supposed to know? i wasn't proclaiming anything. it's just a thought i've had. why were we on the same level with these animals for so long and now we build spaceships, discover and apply advanced quantum mechanics, and search for a creator and meaning in the universe? comparing a bird SEEMING to understand simple words or sounds and apes using crude sign language to our quick ascent to this level?
outkast353 2 years ago
obviously it wasn't just because of our communication abilities and thumbs because as you mentioned theses animals and many others show signs of communication. if you want to talk about high intelligence and communication ability in animals look at whales and dolphins, but they are doing no more than living, eating, and breeding.
outkast353 2 years ago
We are human being superior to any other creatures. Allah created all other creatures for the sake of us (the human beings) so do not put yourself down and become an inferior where Allah created you as a superior to other creatures. We all descend from Adam and Eve but once upon a time Allah got very angry with some people so he mutated them into monkeys. Read the Quran and you will find all these facts.
mahair1970 2 years ago
@mahair1970 Wow...what bullshit. I guess I know more bout Islam then u, and im atheist. Thats not the ideals of the Quran or Allah u idiot. And u come on here saying ur Muslim. Idiot.
SSJEve 1 year ago
@SSJEve People ask those with authority over them about the purpose and origins of what seems important. It's very difficult for someone to say they don't know. Those who are dependent on them would tend to lose their respect. So, appealing stories develop. Could be anything.
andrewburbidge 1 year ago
I used a picture of someone. He perhaps had a misalignement of his eyes.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
I remember now, I adapted the picture, so he didn't look exactly like that.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
he has a bog eye
meganchalloner1995 2 years ago
Yeah...
its funny and weird.....
12391861 2 years ago
was i the only one who found this funny?? ahaha
XxSoccerManiacChicxX 2 years ago
Xx, No, you're not the only one!
ZebrasFirst 2 years ago
no, me too :D
Lollyllio 2 years ago
I've added some facts, in the information section, concerning the change in the Y-chromosome over the generations.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
heres the thing we come from the apes but some developed and made it to stand in 2 feet and lossed hair and here we are i think
edwinadi 2 years ago
there was also a sudden surge in the evolution in which we became much, much smarter ;)
runesapien 2 years ago
i think looking through the bible and checking are we animals?apes,fish or other crapy things.cuz we are humans not apes!tip;read the bible!
LegoMGSdude123456789 2 years ago
What if you would like to know about human DNA and ancestry? Where would you turn to find out about that?
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
only retards beleive in the bible
pkidro 2 years ago 10
@pkidro
Only retards post retarded comments.
Donal111 1 year ago
@pkidro on assholes say shit like that.
tpstrat14 1 year ago
@pkidro only**
tpstrat14 1 year ago
@pkidro Shut the FUCK up.
XxFrankyBabyxX 1 year ago
Tip: the bible is a load of shit.
We are primates, it isn't ANYTHING to argue over.
The first person to label humans as primates were even a Creationist, way before the theory of Evolution was made.
"Human" is simply the name for our species.
Hjernespreng 2 years ago 2
Thanks for commenting. Please don't use bad language like this. Perhaps it is reasonable to say that a lot of the Bible was an attempt to account for origins, as well as people could in those times. They didn't know about geology or the fossil record and they were religious people who set themselves up as having authority, so it wasn't easy to say they didn't know much about things.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
I was thinking the other day about all the countless millions of billions of stars and planets out there and they obviously aren't there for our benefit. There must be living thinking creatures like us out there also.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
I'm not religious. It's hard to believe darwin's crazy idea.
No one can explain this.
No house can cats can grow like tiger.
darwin was a fraud. No execuse.
NauticalFILMS 2 years ago
Cats and tigers seem to be nearly the same except for their size. The reason they are almost the same is because their DNA is almost the same and the differences between them are from where their DNA is different.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
I hate when darwin hiding the truth without letting people to know the secrets. Anyways, what would you call that evolution theory or creationsim?
NauticalFILMS 2 years ago
Perhaps "development of DNA" is a good term to use. When an embryo grows, there is development of the DNA, which is initially only in one cell. It is transformed in many different ways to make the structures of the living creature.
DNA can be changed by cosmic rays and by chemical contamination, causing mutations. I wonder how much a man's DNA is changed in this way during his lifetime and therefore how different his Y-chromososme, for example, might be from that of his offspring.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
Thanks. I wish I had time to learn so much about the secrets of evolution. Today, we are in economic crisis.
High level unemployment. I can't believe it. It's devastating and depressing.
NauticalFILMS 2 years ago
there are many many different reasons to why this "intelligent designer" created everything and the human race, creationism is one. if you can speculate its truth, you might as well consider all the other accredited theorys. there is no fact to how we were created, untill we can wait a couple millenium to compare humans then and now will we be able to seriously prove evolution. the bible can not be tested on its opinions.
leetsac99 2 years ago
But some would say that we are very similar to other apes, especially chimpanzees - the DNA is nearly the same! You do accept that we develop the way we do because of the DNA, I think. Therefore there is the possiblility of treatments for illnesses that are caused by faulty DNA.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
If human beings came from Primates such as monkeys and apes, then please explain to me why they haven't continued to evolved? In other words, why are human beings very distinct from primates if we came from them? And why are primates still the same?
It is such a rediculus idea and theory, and all it requires is for one to put on his thinking cap! Evolution is such a farce. God created the universe and every thing it as He is the "First Cause"!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
Humans did not evolve from modern day Primates. We shared a common ancestor.
The reason both modern day humans and other modern Primates are distinct for one another is because our common ancestor branched off into different geographical areas, evolving into different species in order to adapt to the different environments faced.
Humans evolved to have more complex brains whereas other Primates are evolved to be more efficient at climbing/food gathering. Both are equally evolved.
llamzrt 2 years ago
Oh and its not a ridiculous idea or theory. Surely someone with their 'thinking cap' on can see that there is much sense in it.
You cannot argue with the fact mutations take place.
You cannot argue with the fact that mutations are random and can be negative or beneficial.
You cannot argue with the fact that those with beneficial mutations are more likely to survive than those without.
Finally, you cannot argue that over a long time, those with benefits would outnumber those without.
llamzrt 2 years ago
llamzrt:
All nonsensical rhetoric! Mutations is a false hypothesis, and the evidence of creation is irrefutable!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
That is ridiculous. Mutations are not a hypothesis. Ever heard of cancer?
Mutations are visible throughout nature- flowers growing different coloured leaves are an easy to understand example.
If having different coloured leaves benefitted the flower in some way, it would be more likely to survive and have offspring. It may pass on the mutated genes to its offspring. These offspring are then more likely to survive. Over time you have evolution.
It makes perfect sense.
llamzrt 2 years ago
llamzrt:
Evolution and everything that is associated with it, is not only ridiculous, but nothing about evolution serves any purpose whatsoever!
There is Intelligent Design written all over the universe, including plant life, animal life, and especially human life!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
I have just proved to you that it is not ridiculous and perfectly possible. Evolution serves numerous purposes, such as understanding and fighting disease causing pathogens. I fail to see how Intelligent Design and science associated with it helps to further improve human life.
llamzrt 2 years ago
llamzrt:
Do me and you a big favor: Please look here on youtube at a very powerful study entitled: "The Case For A Creator" by Lee Strobel. It has 10 very short parts to the study. Listen to the information as best as you can with a genuine sense of openess and see what you learn.
Then compare your belief in evolution with the evidence for a Creator on these tapes and see where the evidence leads you. I promise the evidence will point to an Intelligent Designer who is none other than God!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
A problem is that people don't listen to what other people are saying. It's sometimes thought of as disloyal for people with religious views to do such a thing. Intellectual development might be thought of as something to be fought against for some religious types. What might be an interesting discussion easily descends into a shouting match. I have better things to be doing.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
No, I'd rather you answered my questions, since you're obviously so in tune with the creator that you speak of.
llamzrt 2 years ago
llamzrt:
Typical scared so-called Atheist! Very typical. If you are so convinced you're right and I'm wrong, then give those videos a look. What are you afraid of? Truth?
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
I don't want to waste my time looking at these videos whilst I have exams to be revising for. I think it's pretty logical to believe that if there were videos that disproved a theory that much of biology is built on, they would be famous, well known, part of scientific study and I probably would have already seen them.
I don't believe you to be a 'typical' christian. I actually believe you to be a typical twat. If you know so much, answer my questions instead of insulting me.
llamzrt 2 years ago
Please refrain from using insulting names. I think that one perhaps derives from the name of a god or goddess, Tuwaitha, or something similar.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
I apologise. I just despise being called a "Typical scared so-called Atheist!" Then have the person attempt to deny that mutations exist, an utter fallacy.
llamzrt 2 years ago
Thanks for responding in that way.
Religious ideas are derived from earlier ideas, recycled and then presented as 'the one true belief.'
Gods of one religion sometimes become insults in another religion.
Tuatha Da Danaan were Celtic Gods, made famous in stories associated with Tara. I think there is a good case that Tuatha was turned by followers of later religions into an insult. The -atha is probably connhected to Arthur, as with the mythical king - which is partly an English tradition.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
Chimpanzees have been shown to be able to remember sequences of letters better than people can, though that doesn't mean they understand the significance of letters, of course. When hunting, they move very rapidly through trees and need to remember sequences of shapes of parts of branches, which are like the shapes of letters. Maybe that is why they evolved further than humans in that respect.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
HAHAHAH nice.
CrazyWoWGamer 2 years ago
Thanks. It makes me think of saying to someone, 'That looks like your brother' - or cousin or some other family member. I wouldn't do it though.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
well, its the truth, we are all mamals and or ancestors were apes. i dont see anything embarasing in that.
CrazyWoWGamer 2 years ago
Now you mention it, nor do I.
andrewburbidge 2 years ago
Crazy:
Based on what you have just stated, it makes your name all the more approprite!
MrEbonyman 2 years ago
what? because i have the words crazy, wow and gamer as a youtube account name? thats got nothing to do with anything asshole. those are just random words i pulled out my ass coz nothing associated with Atheist would work. gtfo youtube mindfuck.
CrazyWoWGamer 2 years ago
Darwin did not say we came from monkeys, or apes, or bonoboes but rather we came from a common ancestor. related to the primates some where down the line.
Nathan21122012 2 years ago 2
hes ugly
halo4ANDAHALF 3 years ago
evolution?
why dont the lower ranked male Gorilla's in a clan have sex with each other? they cant with the females, and no there is been ZERO recorded times of 2 male gorilla's having sex
Also, why is there not any recorded time of a Gorilla taking a stick and making an Idol to worship out of it? which we have been doing for thousands of years, and yet a gorilla STILL has not figured that out?
Think, take it easy
eastsackevster 3 years ago
A documentay about chimpanzees in Africa, where the two leading males were called Frodo and Freud, showed the leader of the clan thrashing about in the forest when there was a thunderstorm. He attached himself to the power of the storm - a rain dance. People do it and have attached themselves to other apparent powers also. That is the origin of some aspects of religion.
andrewburbidge 3 years ago
What was the documentary called? It sounds really interesting.
Sh0nin 2 years ago
-Why would they? Two male gorillas mating serves no purpose to the group.
-Humans evolved complex brains, more capable of solving problems than gorillas. This complex mind eventually lead to us questioning our existence and coming up with the idea of gods. Gorillas are evolved to be more efficient at gathering food and climbing etcetera, why would they have a need to worship a stick?
llamzrt 2 years ago