@xRAYKOx and @fmcc0904 i have not read your debate so i am not taking sides but why argue about crap when you canjust sit back and enjoy an awesome program
@Roebot56 This was in an alternate timeline that it was called the Phoenix instead of the Hammond, perhaps because they named it before the man that played general Hammond died, then in the last episode of Atlantis they mention the death of Hammond and also the renaming of the ship hence the name George Hammond.
After the Phoenix lost Asgard weapons, why didn't Sam switch to railguns AND missiles? I mean, I realize railguns don't do shit against something as big and armored as a hive, but, at least the Wraith can't shoot down hypersonic lead.
i still dont understand how is possible that first hive started to explod after first hit and was totaly destroyed after third, but the second hive got almost no damage after the same hit :-/
@22cevans Apparently, the Asgard shield powered by the Tau'ri naquadah reactors isn't 100% impenetrable(Asgard use some neutrino-something reactors), and Asgard shields are offline for a moment after exiting hyperspace, explaining the first hits.
@zzxcvb98 The first one was destroyed by asgard beam weapons, the second one was destoryed by a ship collision, which would mean a larger more powerful explosion.
this is what i hate about the battles with the 304s, they allways say "evasive manouveres" when they should be saying fire all asgard wepons at that hive 1,2,3 its dead....ok target next hide fire all asgard weps 1,2,3 dead...oh look the last one is running away.
That only works if the Asgard wepons are still online which in this battle they were they were taken out before they could use them and also they were in the right firing arc to use them.
The Phoenix was completely operational by the time of this battle, because this was during their guerilla attacks. As they dropped out of hyperspace, there were hive-ships behind, infront and to the left. The gravity-well of the planet made it impossible to escape that way. The only way they would have been able to escape would be by flying directly past the hive-ships, destroying the ship in the process. Then, of course, they lost Asgard beam weapons and hyperdrive was going critical.
The score made for tv shows is usually not released. Stargate shows haven't released a soundtrack since Rising, although they did for AOT and Continuum (I just noticed them on amazon).
I don't think music has played a big part through out the series to have a disc for every season (like BSG), but I think there have been enough nice pieces to put together at least one CD.
They made a disk for S1 But I am guessing it didn't do very well (and they re-used the themes on that disk a lot in the rest of the series) because there hasn't been one since.
It would be nice to get a "music of SG1" and "music of atlantis" soundtrack as each series has ended and there would be a nice collection of music to fill a CD with.
if you look at 1:40 it shows that the Phoenix took a direct hit, and caught fire. perhaps it caused secondary explosions and eventually led to the hyperdrive overload.
Mind you all... the Phoenix was rushed into production, as was the Korolev.. and they were both destroyed the Odyssey and Deadalus were not rushed.
i would like to know how the hyper drive overloaded
i assume it was because of the overwelmimg amount of firepower but the daefulas has had 10 hives plus escorts firing on its shields at the same time for longer with no overload and that had inferior shield technology
remember that that was the first time the wraith had to fight with a human ship... maybe the first time the wraith didn't know " where to hit ". in this case the wraith and even more the hybrids know very well how to disable humans' hyperdrive...remember also that in the siege the human did the ambush,,, now the wraith do... ( michael ). remember also that michael has been human and he had the chance to study human ships... if u remember he had also the chance to stay into a human ship..
It was in honor of General Hammond who died from a heart attack offworld in the show, and in real life with the actor you played Hammond, Don S. Davis. Who died late last year due to the same condition (heart attack).
It's also occured that in the SG1 epi, 2010 that Hammond died from an heart attack off-world in that alterate timeline episode. So you can say that it was inevitable that Hammond was going to die from an heart attack.
But for the actual actor to die from the same cause is definitely a shame and an odd coincidence. So I say to Don S. Davis (even if it's overdue) to Rest-in-peace and that I think he played the greatest CO of the SGC to ever lived.
I believe the are able to scan through hyperspace but even if there unble, sam had enough time to do a quick scan and jump into hyperspace before the first wraith ship fired.
Even so, Sam knew Michael was about to attach a heavily populated human world. Now she thought she could make it there before his ships. For as smart as Sam is, she should have jumped of hyperspace a little bit away from the planet and did a scan of the area. Now heres a question, if they were able to take a jumpers clock ability and use it to clock Atlantis in place of the shield, why dont they do that to the daedalus?
Im sry but i would have either jumped into hyperspace the second i found out it was an ambush or started to fire rate off the bat. As for the other hive...2 more hits from the beam weapon would of taken care of it, sam should of finshed it off. Heres a question tho...why didnt there long range sensors pick up the 3 wraith hives before they dropped out of hyperspace?
They could have done it. If they were able to use a ZPM to power the daedalus shields and hyperdrive speed they could have backwards engineer a clocking ability. I mean shit, if the gaould was able to use clocks for their cargo ships why cant the Atlantis team do the same for the daedalus.
@xRAYKOx What the ... it's cloak not clock, and only the Odyssey had one. Apparently, you need a ZPM or something similar to cloak a large object (Daniel stated a ZPM was needed to cloak the Odyssey, and it is currently the only 304 with a ZPM permanently installed). As for an actual clock, every single Earth ship in Stargate, including the ones that float on water, has a clock. Cheyenne Mountain has many... clocks.
@CobaltX07 Your sarcasm was completely uncalled for dude. I simply hit the wrong key, Im sure youve done the same once or twice. As for the cloak, you dont need a ZPM. Jumpers are able to cloak, gaould cargo ships can cloak, even apophis mother ship was able to cloak and none of which had a ZPM. Between mckay, carter, and zelenka they could have found a way to backwards engineer a way to replace the ships shields with a cloak.
@zzxcvb98 I really don't see what makes it so "hilarious". At the time i made the post it was around 4 in the morning. As I said to Cobalt, i'm sure you've done the same thing once or twice.
@zzxcvb98 I wouldnt say it was consistent; I only used the word twice. Besides, Ive seen a lot worse than a simple mess up like cloak and clock. Obviously you and everyone else got the basic idea of what I was saying. Now had I continued to post without correcting myself or had I screwed up on several other words I would agree with you and say its hilarious, but that wasnt the case.
@xRAYKOx Sorry, I could've sworn I saw "clock" used in place of "cloak" multiple times in different posts by different people, must have been a sight glitch. Anyway, Daniel with Merlin's consciousness couldn't find a way to cloak the Daedalus (jumpers, al'kesh, tel'taks, etc. are much smaller) without a ZPM. Considering no other Goa'uld ha'taks have cloaked, its possible Apophis needed a special power source for his fleet.
@CobaltX07 They could have used a mark 2 naquada generator as the power source. I know it wouldnt last very long but it should provide enough power to use a cloaking field for a short period of time. It was able to power the drone chair in Atlantis for a short period and according to (I believe) general Landry, it took 2 mark 2s to power the chair on earth. So theoretically, is should work as a good power source for a cloak.
@xRAYKOx Theoretically yes, but I don't think it would be like Merlin, or Sam for that matter, to miss something so obvious. Also, while Thor's original ship, the Beliskner, could cloak, the Asgard seemed unable to cloak any of their other ships, even though they had their neutrino-ion powerplants. It also could be that they knew it would work, the amount of time spent cloaked was just to little to do any good in the long run.
@CobaltX07 It seems to me that its easier than it sounds. The big issue is the power requirements. They have a way to create a cloak, take one of the jumpers cloaking crystals and tie it in to the deadalus shields. Also, earth didnt have all the asgards data when Merlin was in Daniel. Im sure it can be done now.
@xRAYKOx There's a lot of stuff the Asgard probably gave them in that computer that they haven't gotten around to yet, like ion cannons and a cure for cancer. Also, Merlin was an ancient, he knew more than the Asgard and apparently figured you needed a ZPM to cloak the ship. It's also possible that more power = better cloak and a standard cloak on the Daedalus w/out a ZPM would still be detectable to the Wraith (like that puddle jumper), which would explain why the Goa'uld can do it.
@CobaltX07 The only reason why the wraith detected that jumper is because that had a ZPM to increase the power of the hive which in turn increased the effectiveness of their sensors. As for Merlin knowing more than the asgard, that’s debatable if you think about it. The asgard and the ancients were around at the same time but where the ancients ascended the asgard cloned themselves. They had more time to advance their tech and gather more information, the ancients just sat around and watched.
@xRAYKOx The ascension process pretty much guarantees knowledge about life, the universe, and everything, meaning of life 42 type stuff. It's just an added benefit that they'll instantly know about every tech being used in the galaxy, unlike the Asgard, who actually have to work to advance. The ancients also use cloaking devices much more often then we've seen the Asgard use them (so far, only the Beliskner had a cloak, and it seemed to be pointless against the Replicators).
@CobaltX07 Two mark 2’s would provide enough power needed to power a cloak for effective use. They don’t need to be cloaked for long. It would be most effective for guerrilla tactics and recon. Besides, wrath tech (though formidable) isn’t exactly on the most advanced tech list. They have major flaws and I’m sure their sensors are no exception.
@xRAYKOx Their flaw, as specifically stated in "Enemy at the Gate" is power, besides that, they are more advanced then the Earth ships, as noted by the super-star destroyer hive they came up with. Perhaps others could do the same, which is why they needed a ZPM to cloak the Odyssey and feared the Mark 2s wouldn't be able to fool the Wraith. There could be other technical reasons too. For example, you could theoretically stop the BP oil spill with a nuke, but that doesn't make it a good idea.
@CobaltX07 The theory is flawed tho, how can you say the wraith hive ships are more advance then the human ships. Other then hull regeneration (which I might add is their only defense) what do they have over an x-304 class ship? An x-304 has fast light speed, shields, and beam tech (both offensive and teleportation). The only reason wraith ships do better in battle is due to their size. Bigger the ship the more fire power it has.
@xRAYKOx Oh let's see here, the ability to drain power from 3 ZPMs inside of 5 minutes, resistant to beam weapons, ability to stop giant ship from being ripped apart by its own inertia, ability to detect cloak, ability to cross 3,000,000 ly in roughly a day, maybe less. Oh and because Rodney said so.
@CobaltX07 The thing is: half of what you said requires a ZPM. Resistant to beam weapons (ZPM), detect cloak (ZPM), cross 3,000,000 ly within a day (ZPM). Stop giant ship from being ripped apart by its own inertia, that doesn’t take tech, just takes a good pilot. Drain power from 3 ZPMs within 5 minutes, maybe but to tell you the truth it doesn’t take much to drain those, the first one Atlantis had was 50% charged and that barely lasted, their shields could only hold a week before depleting.
@xRAYKOx The fact that the ZPM is drained so quickly just makes the Wraith weapons look even stronger, considering it would put them in the exaton range. By the way, all of the techs I mentioned require a ZPM, that was kind of the point, power generation was the main flaw, a Wraith ship with a ZPM certainly ends up with much more power than an Earth ship with a ZPM.
@CobaltX07 If wraith sensors where unable to pick up an activated gate though a cloak city (siege part 3) then they wouldn’t be able to pick up a ship like the daedalus. Besides the people of earth found ways to use ancient tech in ways the ancients themselves didn’t do, like reverse a jumpers cloak to a shield. They don’t need a “ZPM” per say just something to equal the minimum power requirements to use a cloak for say an hour or so.
@xRAYKOx So they used a ZPM to cloak a city ~3 miles long and the Wraith didn't detect it. Said ZPM has planet-killing power. A mark II cannot generate anywhere near that type of power. Perhaps if they set it on an almost overload setting they could get the type of cloak you're suggesting, but I doubt they'd sacrifice a Mark II to power a cloak when the jumpers work just as well. Also, installing an ancient cloak on an ancient city is easier then installing said cloak on an Earth/Asgard ship.
@CobaltX07 Like I said they would only need to generate the minimum amount to power a cloak for the purpose they needed. Yea they can use jumpers for recon but consider this. When Atlantis was about to be attack by 12 hives and the daealuse set out to beam nukes, don’t you think they would of succeed a lot more had they been able to use a cloak. Besides, it’s not like they can’t backward engineer a device or program to be able to use a jumpers cloaking crystal
@xRAYKOx Actually, no I don't think they would've succeeded more, considering the cloak would've been sapping their power and as soon as they fired one railgun shot, the Wraith would know they were their and probably find them rather quickly. The Daedalus would've risked being hit with shields down. The multi-gigaton blasts would compromised most of their systems, leaving Atlantis almost completely defenseless.
@CobaltX07 That’s not what I meant. Had the daedalus had a cloak they could of beam the nukes aboard the wraith ships undetected. Since the wraith ships wouldn’t be able to see that there’s another ship in the area they wouldn’t be likely to activate the jamming codes so quickly, thus equaling a greater success for the Atlantis team.
@xRAYKOx The fact that they knew to use jamming in the first place indicated that they could detect the beam ins and were familiar with the technology, so they probably would've activated the jamming anyway, and then begin firing randomly, or in a pattern to hit the Daedalus
@CobaltX07 No the wraith put 2 and 2 together. All their hives were blowing up while this other ship sat in the off distance, so they used the jamming codes. Had they not noticed the ship chances are they wouldn’t use the codes because they wouldn’t know what was going on. I highly doubt they can detect incoming beams, especially since they never encountered such tech before.
@xRAYKOx Any yet it took them all of 30 minutes to come up with a method of countering this tech. I'm pretty sure they already had jamming technology and would throw it on as a precaution if there ships began randomly exploding, that's assuming of course, the transporters don't give away the cloaked ship, which happens some of the time, unless you're on Star Trek, then it happens almost all the time.
@CobaltX07 I still don’t think the wraith had jamming codes form the start. In fact judging by their lvl of tech and their overall history, I doubt that would have it at all if everything in stargate was “real”. Besides, all the daedalus had to do was beam the nukes aboard each hive with a remote detonation for each. Once all 12 nukes were sent, they would set them off. The wraith wouldn’t activate the codes because no ships would exploded till it was to late.
@xRAYKOx The Wraith have their own transporter tech, which is very similar to how Asgard transporter tech looked originally. What I'm saying is, since they have experience with this field, they might've detected the transport, and that's how they were able to know to put up a jamming field. If they can't detect it, then the delayed charges would've worked whether there was a cloak or not.
@CobaltX07 I still find it highly unlikely they could detect a transport if they couldn’t even detect an active gate though a cloaked city. I still believe they put 2 and 2 together and saw their ships blowing up at the random all while this other vessel sat in the off distance. Like you said if they couldn’t detect it the delayed charges would still work but had they had a cloak they wouldn’t have suffered major damage like they did.
@xRAYKOx A transporter has no method of jamming sensors unlike the Stargate, which was inside a ZPM-powered cloaking field. You can't really cloak beaming tech. I will admit though, a cloak would be helpful if they used it properly, as in if they used it for long range (3,000,000 km or so) bombardment, as opposed to sitting right next to the hiveship, but it would only be useful if they could fire weapons and use other systems while cloaked.
@CobaltX07 You can’t exactly say that a wraith ship with a ZPM is more powerful than an earth ship with a ZPM without first seeing both ships with both power sources in combat. I believe if both ships had a ZPM and encaged in battle, nothing would change. The results would be like if they were fighting without a ZPM which means 3 hits from the beam weapons and down goes hive.
@xRAYKOx But you saw how powerful that ZPM Hive was. It took a hit from the Asgard cannons and took Minimal damage. Normaly a Wraith ship would'nt be able to stand up to a few shots from Asgard weapons. That ZPM Hive also easily took down the Deadalus's shields and could of destroyed her but it left for Atlantis instead. If the Deadalus had a ZPM it would of done more damage but the Hive would of still been more powerful.
@NANOFORGE But we can’t say that for sure. All we know is with a ZPM tied in to its systems, an x-304 class ship shields are increased and it can make it from the Milky Way to Pegasus within 4 days, and that was before the asgard gave earth everything they own. I still believe both ships wouldn’t change if both used a ZPM in combat in terms of effectiveness. It would be like a normal engagement just with a huge power source for both.
@xRAYKOx Well yeah your right, we have never seen the Deadalus fight with a ZPM. I could'nt be like a normal engagement which would mean the Deadalus would win, but that Hive was much larger than normal. You have to take into account the ZPM hives hull was several times of magnitude harder. It's hard to say, I still think the Hive would have the upperhand due to it's size.
@NANOFORGE True but also keep in mind that a ZPM powered x-304 would have stronger beam weapons. Even though the super hive was much larger than normal, I believe the deadalus or any other x-304 with a ZPM would still be able to deal serious damage to the increased damage capability of the beam weapons.
@xRAYKOx We've seen the Odyssey fight with beam weapons with pretty much no noticeable difference, the only major difference is in shields and the engines. While the Odyssey did not actually fight the ZPM hive, I'm pretty sure that if a ZPM would've made all that big a difference, the 3 powering Atlantis and the drones that are typically stronger than beam weapons would've done something, unless you're willing to contest the Odyssey is stronger than Atlantis.
@CobaltX07 Where are you getting the Odyssey from? Look we know for a fact that a ZPM tied to an earth ship increases shield strength and hyper drive speed, and that’s before the asgard gave earth all they owned. If a ZPM powered hive took on a ZPM powered x-304, nothing would change. It would be like a normal engagement just with more power.
@xRAYKOx Because the Odyssey is the only Earth ship with a permanent ZPM. Their beam weapons aren't noticeably stronger either. The fact is, Atlantis, an ancient city ship with 3 ZPMs, barely scratched the paint on the Wraith superhive. The Odyssey cannot top that, it just doesn't make sense, they are slower than Atlantis, have less power, have worst shields and and no drones, they're not going to do what Atlantis cannot do.
@CobaltX07 The only reason why atlantis didn’t do jack to the super hive is because they didn’t have very many drones. Remember in the alternate time line, the super hive reach earth but got its ass handed to it but the ancient weapon platform. Besides, we know the odyssey has increased shield strength so it can late a lot longer against the super hive then the other x-304’s. Look at the ark of truth, how long did that ship hold out against a bombardment of 4 ori energy cannons?
@xRAYKOx That was not a super hive that reached Earth in the alternate timeline, you can clearly see in Vegas that it was a regular hive. We also see that Atlantis was still able to fire a great deal of drones, none of which did jack squat. Also, it only took one volley from the super hive to bring down the shields on the Daedalus, as opposed to 3 Ori beam weapon shots for a normal BC-304. The Wraith could thus, drain the Odyssey's shields much faster than the Ori due to their rate of fire.
@CobaltX07 How do you figure that hive in Vegas was a regular hive and not the super hive? If that was a regular hive it would have been destroyed long before it hit the Milky Way. Sure, Atlantis fired a lot of drones but compared to the drones on earth that wasn’t a lot. Even the Orion fired more drones before blowing up then Atlantis did in comparison.
@xRAYKOx Because it was clearly seen on screen that is was not a super-hive. We also don't know the alternate reality Wraith and human tech. So there is no way of knowing whether the humans could intercept it in time, or whether the Wraith had not found a way to reach Earth w/out a ZPM. It should be noted though, at the end of Vegas, they stopped the Wraith with A-10 warthogs when any ship in orbit or a 302 could've one-shotted the trailer.
@xRAYKOx@xRAYKOx That was not a super hive that reached Earth in the alternate timeline, you can clearly see i that it was a regular hive. We also see that Atlantis was still able to fire a great deal of drones, none of which did jack squat. Also, it only took one volley from the super hive to bring down the shields on the Daedalus, as opposed to 3 Ori beam weapon shots for a normal BC-304. The Wraith could thus, drain the Odyssey's shields much faster than the Ori due to their firepower.
@CobaltX07 Where’s the evidence that states that’s a normal hive in Vegas. Had that been a normal hive it would have been destroyed long before it reached earth. With mckay and zelenka, they would have been able to pin point the checkpoints that hive would stop at and between the Daedalus, Odyssey, Apollo, Sun Tzu, and the newly built General Hammond, that hive would be gone. But since there was no 304 defending earth, I have to say that was indeed the super hive.
@xRAYKOx 1) The FX visual was that of a normal hive and 2) None of those points are valid given that it is a parallel universe where Earth may not even have starships or beam weapons and the Wraith might not have to exit hyperspace in checkpoints. For all we know, drones are also stronger and there might be two drone launchers on Earth. For all we know, the Wraith could've also sent dozens of hives to Earth as we only see the end of the battle.
@CobaltX07 Between SG1 and Atlantis we have seen 4 Alternate Reality occasions and in each one the events that transpired in SG1/Atlantis reality also occurred in the AR. Granted there where major differences mainly characters but the events were the same. There’s more evidence that suggest it was in fact the super hive in Vegas then there is suggesting it’s a normal hive. As for mckay and zelenka, pin pointing stops the hive would have to take to recover from radiation is very high.
@xRAYKOx Actually, we've seen at least 20+ alternate realities some of which would never have developed ships (occupied/global catastrophe) and at least one where all available ships may have been destroyed (in "Daedalus Variations") or which had events that did not occur. Also, how is there more evidence for a superhive when FX shows a regular hive and Todd, who warned Earth about the hive in the original reality to begin with, was in captivity and not quite sane.
@CobaltX07 If you saying that was a normal hive based on appearance then that isn’t prove enough. True there’s AR’s that yet to developed ships and what not, but I’m taking about the AR’s that have been shown to use. Vegas would be one of those AR’s that would have ships. If you can tell me where they were then I’d believe that was a normal hive and not the super hive.
@xRAYKOx As the one claiming the superhive exists, the burden of proof lies largely upon your shoulders. I have provided sufficient evidence for my part, visual evidence and counterexamples. The same lies with the Earth ships. I have provided proof for them not existing but we must not assume they exist and then prove they don't, rather, we assume they don't and see if we can prove they do. Also, if they did have ships they could be: missing, destroyed, too far away to exist, etc.
@CobaltX07 I don’t see how you provided sufficient evidence, visual, or counter examples to anything. Both or our arguments are based on pure speculation and believe. We both made good claims and comments to the subjects at hand. None of us can truly say with 100% certainty who’s right and who’s wrong. None of us have good enough evidence to convince the other. Until they explain these subjects in great detail it’s safe to say were both right.
@xRAYKOx Uhh...your little tiff here might be long-over, but there's more holes in both sides than Swiss cheese. Just like the plot hole that was never sewn up where the alternate McKay in Vegas claimed to have been the one who crossed over into "our" reality in "McKay and Mrs. Miller", but in that episode, he stated that Sheppard was a member of the Atlantis expedition and that they did indeed have ships. Furthermore, in Vegas, F-302s are shown fighting Darts in orbit in the Wraith flashback.
@xRAYKOx To the first subject of being able to transport while a 304 is cloaked? Ark of Truth. Which had transpired prior to even Season 4 of Atlantis, as it was technically the first mention of the Apollo and Colonel Ellis (chronologically-speaking). The Odyssey cloaked in orbit of the planet where Celestus was located, and they then beamed SG-1 to the surface. So, really, if anything, the lack of consistency in some plot elements is to blame. Not who can tell what FX shots match which.
@fmcc0904 There are a few holes in your statements that need to be clarified. First of all, in the Vegas episode, that mckay wasn’t the one to “cross” into our reality. If you remember in "McKay and Mrs. Miller” there was a scene where the alternate mckay was talking about his teyla, ronon, and sheppard. If you remember, he said his sheppard was “a know it all” kind of like our mckay.
@xRAYKOx Um, please read a little more carefully before being long-winded and looking like an IDIOT. It was a plot-hole. The McKay in "Vegas" claimed to have been the one to cross over to our reality. I quote, "I once met another John Sheppard". That was a reference to "McKay and Mrs. Miller". The writers blog even stated that was a plot-hole/mistake. So, sorry, but YOU were the wrong one there. Which means the entire argument was flawed to begin with.
@fmcc0904 You clearly need to rewatch "Mckay and mrs. Miller" again because your "facts" have no merit. First off all, the mckay in Vegas and the alternate mckay had 2 completely different personalities. Secondly, as mentioned in “mckay and mrs. Miller” The alternate john Sheppard was a “know it all”.
@xRAYKOx And to address your feeble counters, those are explained by your idiocy in not acknowledging plot holes. They exist! "Those two McKays had totally different personalities"...Seriously? What a moron! The McKay from 3x08 and 5x19 acted almost EXACTLY the same: confident, charismatic, and personable. I suggest YOU rewatch a few things before making YOURSELF look the fool. The inconsistencies between the 3x08 and 5x19 McKays were the result of SLOPPY WRITING...not 2 different ones.
@xRAYKOx The writing team failed to keep pace with what the alternate Sheppard was meant to be like, and retconned him into a detective to fit the plot of their CSI episode. Considering how much retcon they've been guilty of with regard to Universe, how is that so hard to just accept? Bottom line - arguing with me is pointless. I know the series far better than you, obviously. On screen as well as the errors committed by those who made the shows.
@fmcc0904 You only know a fraction of what you speak man as shown with your lack of understanding the difference in the characters and spotting the detail that’s involved. Now once again, I’m putting this childish game of yours to rest. Unless you physically provide evidence to support your theory, this discussion is over. I know what you say is crap and your too arrogant to listen to me.
@xRAYKOx Yet you fail to recognize that whatever superficial differences there were exist because of the writers' retcon! I don't see how that is so difficult to understand. That trumps every single "point" you make. And I didn't comment back then because it didn't pop up in my inbox. Do not try to tell me that the SG writing team has never done it before or since. The 3 shots from a zat = disintegrate? Retconned out of existence. The Odyssey being able to one-shot anything? Retconned.
@xRAYKOx The 9-chevron address, discovered in the Atlantis database? PURE retcon. Examples exist within SGA also, "Vegas" being a glaring example for anyone with a marginal number of brain cells. Also, to speak to something you tried pointing out a VERY long time ago, but that I had missed...trying to suggest that they might not have had a Daedalus in "Vegas". The alternate Daedalus was mentioned in 3x08 by alternate McKay and in 5x19 by Walter. Wrong about that, too.
@xRAYKOx I believe the now-vilified Wright and Mallozzi even admitted to fouling up the continuity to make "Vegas" as in retrospect they were "getting bored" with making Atlantis and were eager to get started on their new pet project (which failed miserably, btw), Universe. Apparently, that was one of the few episodes in the last season of SGA they "enjoyed" making, so they took a few liberties and went on a whim, trying to use a previous-episode reference even though it didn't track.
@xRAYKOx End point is: I know all 3 series (even though only half of SGU was watchable) far better, as well as the idiotic cock-ups made by the production team, and putting those two together is so incredibly simple. Why it's beyond your ability, I have no idea. But there it is. I don't think anyone will deny that the writing style in Season 5 of SGA took a nosedive (for the most part) and we learned later it was because of the trash they were working on alongside, and considered a priority.
@fmcc0904 I suspect you will comment back saying the same crap as before while attempting to belittle me. Let’s see just how immature you can be shall we?
@xRAYKOx But to add - I recall quite clearly that the Vegas Sheppard did not track with what 3x08 McKay described. And? Please, do yourself a favor and look up RETCON. It's a fairly simple concept, used by writers who grow lazy and/or don't care if the fans notice a discrepancy within one of the story arcs/subplots/etc of a show they work on. It's what happened there. Keep on trying to appear intelligent; you're only in denial.
@xRAYKOx Already read what you said, btw. Yes, it's late, but you replied straight away, so calling me immature for posting at "4 in the morning" is a tad hypocritical as not only did you do the same, but you did it less than 20 minutes after I thoroughly debunked your entire argument. Retcon certainly does matter in a case like this, because it shows sloppiness on the part of the writers and makes you look like a fool for trying to come out looking intelligent. But the point is, no one is right
@fmcc0904 Someone with a massive ego who thinks his opinion is the right one. The alternate John Sheppard in Vegas had none of these qualities. Which again, rematch this episode before you make a fool of yourself again.
@fmcc0904 As for my second “point”, I was referring to using the ability when the 10 hives were on their way to attaints. I guess you failed to read my full post on this subject before you jumped into a conversation long been over with. Wraith wouldn’t expect it, the daedalus would have been able to deploy their nukes like planed.
@fmcc0904 Lastly, your entire argument is solely on the fact that the Vegas mckay said he visited a John Sheppard who was the leader of the atlantis team and that he contributed to forming the interdimensional rift, but did it ever occure to you that this mckay had a similar time line as ours?
@fmcc0904 Remember there are infinite realities so it’s not going to be hard to find two realities that are very similar and still different. No this discussion (if that) is going nowhere. I end this by saying not one of use can truly sway the other. If you feel the need to commit back on this by all means, but I won’t be a part of this childish game with you any longer. Been down that road already. End of discussion.
@xRAYKOx Hadn't seen that comment for some reason until now. Yes, wise decision. Considering that the writers' intention was to have that McKay be one and the same with the one from the earlier episode. Falling back on "Oh, it was another set of SIMILAR realities" argument. Really? You lost, pure and simple. Which is why you gave up. Zelenka even semi-berated the "Vegas" McKay over the interdimensional rift, which was opened in "McKay and Mrs. Miller". They still screwed the consistency. Period.
@fmcc0904 Are you really serious? Are you really going to comment on something I put to rest 3 months ago? I mean, do you really have nothing better to do with your time then to troll on youtube? Buddy, you need to find better use of your life then to troll youtube videos Anyway, the only one who lost was you. Considering the fact you failed to reply to me 3 months ago and the fact you simply can’t see outside the box.
@fmcc0904 The two McKay’s were different but we can debt this all day and night, what you fail to see, due to your ego being the size of Texas, are the sheppards. There the key in determining the difference between the realities. When the alternate McKay came to our world in “McKay and Mrs. Miller” he talked about his expedition team and the difference between them and ours.
@fmcc0904 He stated how his Ronon was pretty much the same as ours, his Teyla lacked a lot of Athosian knowledge and customs and his sheppard (pay attention now this is important) was no different than our Mckay. He was extremely arrogant and extremely intelligent as stated by the alternate Mckay when he said his sheppard was a know it all. Now right here is the first clue your ass failed to see.
@fmcc0904 If what this Mckay said is true, then his sheppard knows of Atlantis, he knows of the stargate, and he knows of the wraith. Now look at the Vegas sheppard. This sheppard is a run of the mill cop who appears to have seen better days. He doesn’t know of atlantis, he doesn’t know of the startgate, and he doesn’t know of the wraith because the Vegas Mckay and the Mr. woolsey of this time had to explain it to him.
@fmcc0904 For example, they showed him Tod as he was caged up reciting poetry to himself. In addition, this sheppard did not have the same characteristics and personality as described by the alternate McKay in “McKay and Mrs. Miller”. He didn’t think he knew everything and he sure as hell didn’t have the same intelligence level, or anything close to, the McKay we know.
@fmcc0904 As for the McKay’s, they are different moron. The Vegas McKay was very serious, straight to the point, and, if you noticed, he was in charge. The other McKay was kind, full of energy, and had a different persona then the Vegas McKay. Face it dude, you lost. You lost 3 months ago and you lost again. You can’t see the detail here in the two stories. Which explains why it took you 3 months to comment back on something I put to rest.
@fmcc0904 Instead of you telling me to re-watch the episodes before I make a fool of myself perhaps you need to take your own advice and watch them yourself because your pathetic ass knows nothing about this show. But don’t worry, by doing so you can fill in those empty gaps of your time that you seem to have. That would be one less video you can troll. Arguing with me is a waste of time.
@xRAYKOx Second-off, ignoring the writer foul-up, in that McKay's reality, we at the very least had a Daedalus, as he referred to it in the previous episode. As to your last "point" (I hesitate to even call it that, but...) I never said something like that wouldn't work. The main problem with that theory is the assumption that the Wraith don't run their EM-jamming constantly. They're aware that we have cloaking and beam tech.
@xRAYKOx Lastly, to close the book completely, further in-episode evidence to the 3x08 and 5x19 McKays being the same person: Radek made a point of bringing up the interdimensional rift to Vegas McKay, as if to rub it in his face that it was something he contributed to forming. Incidentally, it was why that reality was still connected to several others (including ours), causing the Super Hive to get Earth's location in EATG. End of discussion.
@fmcc0904 The sheppard in Vagas didnt seem like “a know it all” to me. that mckay in Vegas had to have visited a different reality with a sheppard as the leader.
@fmcc0904 Secondly, yes there were F-302’s fighting the hive in Vegas. Now I don’t think they had ships, no way would they allow a normal hive to get that close to earth. Besides, just because they have F-302’s doesn’t mean they have ships or not. Our reality built the fighter jets before the actual ship if you remember correctly.
@fmcc0904 Thirdly, while it is true that the Odyssey had cloaking abilities in ark of truth, no one knows how. If you remember correctly, when Daniel Jackson was a prior, he did “something” to make the ship cloak. No one knows what he did and even as a prior he said it was extremely complex. Now you can’t tell me that adjusting a jumpers cloaking crystal to replace a 304’s shields and beam nukes on board a wraith hive couldn’t work.
@CobaltX07 I love how our argument has shifted from cloaking capability to, is that the super hive or not? Look buddy, this argument has lasted over a week and if you want to continue I’ll shoot for another week but it doesn’t look like either of us will convince the other. I did have fun tho, It's hard to find ppl who know a lot about stargate.
@xRAYKOx Well you're probably right about the convincing part, anyway, maybe they'll explain this later in the series. In the meantime, I'll call it a week.
Just remember guys, the Phoenix was rushed into production, much like the Korolev and we saw what happened to it against the Ori. If they took there time getting it ready it most likely would have held off, but they were taken by surprise when they excited hyperspace.
That's one hell of a way to go.
GangsterHutterite 1 month ago
The noble end of the Phoenix and her commander!
A TRUE heroic and glorious death!
TheShadowwolf88 2 months ago 3
@xRAYKOx and @fmcc0904 i have not read your debate so i am not taking sides but why argue about crap when you canjust sit back and enjoy an awesome program
tenthousandhairs 3 months ago
Now there is only one way for a ship of war to go down and that by taking down atleast one other mother fucker with them.
TheIcelandicPatriot 4 months ago
I believe it's now called the "The Hammond" XD
SUCK ON THAT EVIL MICHAEL.
...and take your hybrids with you :P
attilantis 9 months ago
@attilantis I believe it is actually the USS George Hammond.
Roebot56 9 months ago 8
@Roebot56 This was in an alternate timeline that it was called the Phoenix instead of the Hammond, perhaps because they named it before the man that played general Hammond died, then in the last episode of Atlantis they mention the death of Hammond and also the renaming of the ship hence the name George Hammond.
michaelhviper 8 months ago
I am so gald Sheppard changed the timeline or I would've shot someone. Sam Carter is a awesome character.
SamHelenCarterMagnus 10 months ago 8
you know what if it was not for shepred startgate universe might not have happened lol.
thewewguy8t88 10 months ago
After the Phoenix lost Asgard weapons, why didn't Sam switch to railguns AND missiles? I mean, I realize railguns don't do shit against something as big and armored as a hive, but, at least the Wraith can't shoot down hypersonic lead.
localfive0 10 months ago
i still dont understand how is possible that first hive started to explod after first hit and was totaly destroyed after third, but the second hive got almost no damage after the same hit :-/
Elensar007 11 months ago
@Elensar007 They could have been hitting volatile parts of the ship on the first one and missed those parts on the second.
bloodletter111 10 months ago
im glad that this was just an alternate timeline.
Kingrex16 1 year ago
If their shields are still up, why are their systems being damaged and destroyed
22cevans 1 year ago
@22cevans Apparently, the Asgard shield powered by the Tau'ri naquadah reactors isn't 100% impenetrable(Asgard use some neutrino-something reactors), and Asgard shields are offline for a moment after exiting hyperspace, explaining the first hits.
ruotsionpaska 1 year ago
i find it hard to believe that three ships could have boxed them in. There are A LOT of direction it could have used to escape.
anubis9109 1 year ago
why is the phoenix trailing smoke in space?
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 maybe the oxygen also leak out of the ship. "it is a sifi so don't over think it" George Lucas ;)
aiaek 1 year ago
and why did the first one sustain fatal damage with the first shot while the second took "minimal damage"
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
maybe because the 3rd shot wasnt as powerful as the 1st two.
07121992 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 Maybe it didn't hit anything vital?
ruotsionpaska 1 year ago
how come the hive in the first battle didnt kill the other one when it exploded like in several other episodes?
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 The first one was destroyed by asgard beam weapons, the second one was destoryed by a ship collision, which would mean a larger more powerful explosion.
dinowiz90 1 year ago
i don't know
Metroidhunter60893 1 year ago
if i were sam when i kamakzied into the hives i would have at least been sitting in the command chair
benforden 2 years ago
Later named General Hammond as a tribute to Don Sinclair Davis`s character. RIP Don Sinclair Davis
Sokar2488 2 years ago 5
I love how after Sam says "evasive maneuvers!" at 1:07, EVERY shot fired hits the phoenix. xD
redsawdom 2 years ago 2
Don't f**k with the tauri! You take one ship down they (we, because it's earth) take a fleet down.
spartanMN300 2 years ago 3
although asgard weapons were lost, i like when Sam kamakizes into the hives ships. The hives didnt expect or see it coming
luked1021 2 years ago
she did a very hero act. Sam is my best character of Stargate
luked1021 2 years ago
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luked1021 2 years ago
i mean look at the beggining for shit sake, the phoenix takes a hive out with 3 hits...
daralzand 2 years ago
this is what i hate about the battles with the 304s, they allways say "evasive manouveres" when they should be saying fire all asgard wepons at that hive 1,2,3 its dead....ok target next hide fire all asgard weps 1,2,3 dead...oh look the last one is running away.
daralzand 2 years ago
That only works if the Asgard wepons are still online which in this battle they were they were taken out before they could use them and also they were in the right firing arc to use them.
Rogt93 2 years ago
wtf are u talkin about? korolev was destroyed at the end of season 9 of SG1
07121992 2 years ago 3
The Phoenix was completely operational by the time of this battle, because this was during their guerilla attacks. As they dropped out of hyperspace, there were hive-ships behind, infront and to the left. The gravity-well of the planet made it impossible to escape that way. The only way they would have been able to escape would be by flying directly past the hive-ships, destroying the ship in the process. Then, of course, they lost Asgard beam weapons and hyperdrive was going critical.
Timofifi 2 years ago
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SimonOneOhOne 2 years ago
the korolev mas destroyed in camelot the sun tzu and the Apollo where the ships crippled in EATG
MrPJStreeter 2 years ago 7
Man I want the music used in this epp, its not on any soundtracks I know of. It adds so much to this scene.
Mittau 2 years ago
The score made for tv shows is usually not released. Stargate shows haven't released a soundtrack since Rising, although they did for AOT and Continuum (I just noticed them on amazon).
I don't think music has played a big part through out the series to have a disc for every season (like BSG), but I think there have been enough nice pieces to put together at least one CD.
Gat986 2 years ago
They made a disk for S1 But I am guessing it didn't do very well (and they re-used the themes on that disk a lot in the rest of the series) because there hasn't been one since.
It would be nice to get a "music of SG1" and "music of atlantis" soundtrack as each series has ended and there would be a nice collection of music to fill a CD with.
Mittau 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I wouldn't try to find logic in all of this. Stargate pretty much lacks of it
Gat986 2 years ago
@Gat986 What do you mean?
ruotsionpaska 1 year ago
if you look at 1:40 it shows that the Phoenix took a direct hit, and caught fire. perhaps it caused secondary explosions and eventually led to the hyperdrive overload.
Mind you all... the Phoenix was rushed into production, as was the Korolev.. and they were both destroyed the Odyssey and Deadalus were not rushed.
brooksy83 2 years ago
the shields were up so it wasent a direct hit
angrykid616 1 year ago
I agree i dnt believe the phoenix could have been destroyed so easily. should have at least put more ships.
BADTEEN91 2 years ago
i would like to know how the hyper drive overloaded
i assume it was because of the overwelmimg amount of firepower but the daefulas has had 10 hives plus escorts firing on its shields at the same time for longer with no overload and that had inferior shield technology
angrykid616 2 years ago
remember that that was the first time the wraith had to fight with a human ship... maybe the first time the wraith didn't know " where to hit ". in this case the wraith and even more the hybrids know very well how to disable humans' hyperdrive...remember also that in the siege the human did the ambush,,, now the wraith do... ( michael ). remember also that michael has been human and he had the chance to study human ships... if u remember he had also the chance to stay into a human ship..
PensieroCritico 2 years ago
it was rushed to be made thar might have been flaws
Metroidhunter60893 1 year ago
when the Phoenix came out of hyperspace and into orbit over the planet that was a really believable effect
victor2cutube 2 years ago 7
The Phoenix was renamed "The General Hammond".
imasurvivor06 2 years ago 11
It was in honor of General Hammond who died from a heart attack offworld in the show, and in real life with the actor you played Hammond, Don S. Davis. Who died late last year due to the same condition (heart attack).
It's also occured that in the SG1 epi, 2010 that Hammond died from an heart attack off-world in that alterate timeline episode. So you can say that it was inevitable that Hammond was going to die from an heart attack.
Nekurrin 2 years ago
But for the actual actor to die from the same cause is definitely a shame and an odd coincidence. So I say to Don S. Davis (even if it's overdue) to Rest-in-peace and that I think he played the greatest CO of the SGC to ever lived.
Nekurrin 2 years ago 7
the Phoenix was more than a match for a single Wraith hive ship.. it took at least 6 ships to destroy it..
victor2cutube 2 years ago
Correction, it took one choice of the ship to destory it with three hives with it. I like to think of it like a Kamekazi in space.
Nekurrin 2 years ago
I believe the are able to scan through hyperspace but even if there unble, sam had enough time to do a quick scan and jump into hyperspace before the first wraith ship fired.
xRAYKOx 2 years ago
i think its a modification of michael, that lock the scans
GateLord94 2 years ago
scans do not work in hiperspac long range, short range, even internal scaners dont,
the hive tala told the wraith to drop the ship of hiperspace to run scans on the ship rodny ask the same thing in the intruder
Metroidhunter60893 1 year ago
Even so, Sam knew Michael was about to attach a heavily populated human world. Now she thought she could make it there before his ships. For as smart as Sam is, she should have jumped of hyperspace a little bit away from the planet and did a scan of the area. Now heres a question, if they were able to take a jumpers clock ability and use it to clock Atlantis in place of the shield, why dont they do that to the daedalus?
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
Im sry but i would have either jumped into hyperspace the second i found out it was an ambush or started to fire rate off the bat. As for the other hive...2 more hits from the beam weapon would of taken care of it, sam should of finshed it off. Heres a question tho...why didnt there long range sensors pick up the 3 wraith hives before they dropped out of hyperspace?
xRAYKOx 2 years ago
you are 100 percent correct but then again they are trying to sell the story.
hashitman 2 years ago 2
have SG sensors ever been able to scan through the hyperspace...I think so...to answer my own question...but I am not one hundred percent sure.
JohnZaun 2 years ago
Space battle stuff can be preeetty hazy
Minimal damage, they are powering weapons
....So just waste em with a few beam blasts
"It's an ambush!"
Were they hiding behind a moon or something?
In ROTJ the ships were hiding by.......hanging out in a direction they didn't look?
Sometimes it's crazy what they don't realize
Usul573 2 years ago
@Usul573: It's an ambush because the hives where "waiting" for the Phoenix.
Helge129 2 years ago
you can scan behind a moon its stars you can't scan behind do to high amounts of raido and radeation
Metroidhunter60893 1 year ago
because stargate writers are stupid, and they only use long range sensors when they want, and notice how no enemy uses them.
SmopuiM 2 years ago
anchent tech is dificalt to intigrate i mean some have manage to attach a zpm but a clock is a diffrent story
Metroidhunter60893 1 year ago
They could have done it. If they were able to use a ZPM to power the daedalus shields and hyperdrive speed they could have backwards engineer a clocking ability. I mean shit, if the gaould was able to use clocks for their cargo ships why cant the Atlantis team do the same for the daedalus.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx What the ... it's cloak not clock, and only the Odyssey had one. Apparently, you need a ZPM or something similar to cloak a large object (Daniel stated a ZPM was needed to cloak the Odyssey, and it is currently the only 304 with a ZPM permanently installed). As for an actual clock, every single Earth ship in Stargate, including the ones that float on water, has a clock. Cheyenne Mountain has many... clocks.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 Your sarcasm was completely uncalled for dude. I simply hit the wrong key, Im sure youve done the same once or twice. As for the cloak, you dont need a ZPM. Jumpers are able to cloak, gaould cargo ships can cloak, even apophis mother ship was able to cloak and none of which had a ZPM. Between mckay, carter, and zelenka they could have found a way to backwards engineer a way to replace the ships shields with a cloak.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
maybe...but its still hilarious
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 I really don't see what makes it so "hilarious". At the time i made the post it was around 4 in the morning. As I said to Cobalt, i'm sure you've done the same thing once or twice.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
but you were doing it consistently as opposed to an isolated incident...thats why it looked especially hilarious
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 I wouldnt say it was consistent; I only used the word twice. Besides, Ive seen a lot worse than a simple mess up like cloak and clock. Obviously you and everyone else got the basic idea of what I was saying. Now had I continued to post without correcting myself or had I screwed up on several other words I would agree with you and say its hilarious, but that wasnt the case.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
whatever; humor is subjective.
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
@zzxcvb98 Maybe so, everyone does see humor differently, after all. If you found my mistake to be funny in some way then who am I to judge.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Sorry, I could've sworn I saw "clock" used in place of "cloak" multiple times in different posts by different people, must have been a sight glitch. Anyway, Daniel with Merlin's consciousness couldn't find a way to cloak the Daedalus (jumpers, al'kesh, tel'taks, etc. are much smaller) without a ZPM. Considering no other Goa'uld ha'taks have cloaked, its possible Apophis needed a special power source for his fleet.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 They could have used a mark 2 naquada generator as the power source. I know it wouldnt last very long but it should provide enough power to use a cloaking field for a short period of time. It was able to power the drone chair in Atlantis for a short period and according to (I believe) general Landry, it took 2 mark 2s to power the chair on earth. So theoretically, is should work as a good power source for a cloak.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Theoretically yes, but I don't think it would be like Merlin, or Sam for that matter, to miss something so obvious. Also, while Thor's original ship, the Beliskner, could cloak, the Asgard seemed unable to cloak any of their other ships, even though they had their neutrino-ion powerplants. It also could be that they knew it would work, the amount of time spent cloaked was just to little to do any good in the long run.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 It seems to me that its easier than it sounds. The big issue is the power requirements. They have a way to create a cloak, take one of the jumpers cloaking crystals and tie it in to the deadalus shields. Also, earth didnt have all the asgards data when Merlin was in Daniel. Im sure it can be done now.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx There's a lot of stuff the Asgard probably gave them in that computer that they haven't gotten around to yet, like ion cannons and a cure for cancer. Also, Merlin was an ancient, he knew more than the Asgard and apparently figured you needed a ZPM to cloak the ship. It's also possible that more power = better cloak and a standard cloak on the Daedalus w/out a ZPM would still be detectable to the Wraith (like that puddle jumper), which would explain why the Goa'uld can do it.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 The only reason why the wraith detected that jumper is because that had a ZPM to increase the power of the hive which in turn increased the effectiveness of their sensors. As for Merlin knowing more than the asgard, that’s debatable if you think about it. The asgard and the ancients were around at the same time but where the ancients ascended the asgard cloned themselves. They had more time to advance their tech and gather more information, the ancients just sat around and watched.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx The ascension process pretty much guarantees knowledge about life, the universe, and everything, meaning of life 42 type stuff. It's just an added benefit that they'll instantly know about every tech being used in the galaxy, unlike the Asgard, who actually have to work to advance. The ancients also use cloaking devices much more often then we've seen the Asgard use them (so far, only the Beliskner had a cloak, and it seemed to be pointless against the Replicators).
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 Two mark 2’s would provide enough power needed to power a cloak for effective use. They don’t need to be cloaked for long. It would be most effective for guerrilla tactics and recon. Besides, wrath tech (though formidable) isn’t exactly on the most advanced tech list. They have major flaws and I’m sure their sensors are no exception.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Their flaw, as specifically stated in "Enemy at the Gate" is power, besides that, they are more advanced then the Earth ships, as noted by the super-star destroyer hive they came up with. Perhaps others could do the same, which is why they needed a ZPM to cloak the Odyssey and feared the Mark 2s wouldn't be able to fool the Wraith. There could be other technical reasons too. For example, you could theoretically stop the BP oil spill with a nuke, but that doesn't make it a good idea.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 The theory is flawed tho, how can you say the wraith hive ships are more advance then the human ships. Other then hull regeneration (which I might add is their only defense) what do they have over an x-304 class ship? An x-304 has fast light speed, shields, and beam tech (both offensive and teleportation). The only reason wraith ships do better in battle is due to their size. Bigger the ship the more fire power it has.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Oh let's see here, the ability to drain power from 3 ZPMs inside of 5 minutes, resistant to beam weapons, ability to stop giant ship from being ripped apart by its own inertia, ability to detect cloak, ability to cross 3,000,000 ly in roughly a day, maybe less. Oh and because Rodney said so.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 The thing is: half of what you said requires a ZPM. Resistant to beam weapons (ZPM), detect cloak (ZPM), cross 3,000,000 ly within a day (ZPM). Stop giant ship from being ripped apart by its own inertia, that doesn’t take tech, just takes a good pilot. Drain power from 3 ZPMs within 5 minutes, maybe but to tell you the truth it doesn’t take much to drain those, the first one Atlantis had was 50% charged and that barely lasted, their shields could only hold a week before depleting.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx The fact that the ZPM is drained so quickly just makes the Wraith weapons look even stronger, considering it would put them in the exaton range. By the way, all of the techs I mentioned require a ZPM, that was kind of the point, power generation was the main flaw, a Wraith ship with a ZPM certainly ends up with much more power than an Earth ship with a ZPM.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 If wraith sensors where unable to pick up an activated gate though a cloak city (siege part 3) then they wouldn’t be able to pick up a ship like the daedalus. Besides the people of earth found ways to use ancient tech in ways the ancients themselves didn’t do, like reverse a jumpers cloak to a shield. They don’t need a “ZPM” per say just something to equal the minimum power requirements to use a cloak for say an hour or so.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx So they used a ZPM to cloak a city ~3 miles long and the Wraith didn't detect it. Said ZPM has planet-killing power. A mark II cannot generate anywhere near that type of power. Perhaps if they set it on an almost overload setting they could get the type of cloak you're suggesting, but I doubt they'd sacrifice a Mark II to power a cloak when the jumpers work just as well. Also, installing an ancient cloak on an ancient city is easier then installing said cloak on an Earth/Asgard ship.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 Like I said they would only need to generate the minimum amount to power a cloak for the purpose they needed. Yea they can use jumpers for recon but consider this. When Atlantis was about to be attack by 12 hives and the daealuse set out to beam nukes, don’t you think they would of succeed a lot more had they been able to use a cloak. Besides, it’s not like they can’t backward engineer a device or program to be able to use a jumpers cloaking crystal
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Actually, no I don't think they would've succeeded more, considering the cloak would've been sapping their power and as soon as they fired one railgun shot, the Wraith would know they were their and probably find them rather quickly. The Daedalus would've risked being hit with shields down. The multi-gigaton blasts would compromised most of their systems, leaving Atlantis almost completely defenseless.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 That’s not what I meant. Had the daedalus had a cloak they could of beam the nukes aboard the wraith ships undetected. Since the wraith ships wouldn’t be able to see that there’s another ship in the area they wouldn’t be likely to activate the jamming codes so quickly, thus equaling a greater success for the Atlantis team.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx The fact that they knew to use jamming in the first place indicated that they could detect the beam ins and were familiar with the technology, so they probably would've activated the jamming anyway, and then begin firing randomly, or in a pattern to hit the Daedalus
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 No the wraith put 2 and 2 together. All their hives were blowing up while this other ship sat in the off distance, so they used the jamming codes. Had they not noticed the ship chances are they wouldn’t use the codes because they wouldn’t know what was going on. I highly doubt they can detect incoming beams, especially since they never encountered such tech before.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Any yet it took them all of 30 minutes to come up with a method of countering this tech. I'm pretty sure they already had jamming technology and would throw it on as a precaution if there ships began randomly exploding, that's assuming of course, the transporters don't give away the cloaked ship, which happens some of the time, unless you're on Star Trek, then it happens almost all the time.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 I still don’t think the wraith had jamming codes form the start. In fact judging by their lvl of tech and their overall history, I doubt that would have it at all if everything in stargate was “real”. Besides, all the daedalus had to do was beam the nukes aboard each hive with a remote detonation for each. Once all 12 nukes were sent, they would set them off. The wraith wouldn’t activate the codes because no ships would exploded till it was to late.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx The Wraith have their own transporter tech, which is very similar to how Asgard transporter tech looked originally. What I'm saying is, since they have experience with this field, they might've detected the transport, and that's how they were able to know to put up a jamming field. If they can't detect it, then the delayed charges would've worked whether there was a cloak or not.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 I still find it highly unlikely they could detect a transport if they couldn’t even detect an active gate though a cloaked city. I still believe they put 2 and 2 together and saw their ships blowing up at the random all while this other vessel sat in the off distance. Like you said if they couldn’t detect it the delayed charges would still work but had they had a cloak they wouldn’t have suffered major damage like they did.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx A transporter has no method of jamming sensors unlike the Stargate, which was inside a ZPM-powered cloaking field. You can't really cloak beaming tech. I will admit though, a cloak would be helpful if they used it properly, as in if they used it for long range (3,000,000 km or so) bombardment, as opposed to sitting right next to the hiveship, but it would only be useful if they could fire weapons and use other systems while cloaked.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 You can’t exactly say that a wraith ship with a ZPM is more powerful than an earth ship with a ZPM without first seeing both ships with both power sources in combat. I believe if both ships had a ZPM and encaged in battle, nothing would change. The results would be like if they were fighting without a ZPM which means 3 hits from the beam weapons and down goes hive.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx But you saw how powerful that ZPM Hive was. It took a hit from the Asgard cannons and took Minimal damage. Normaly a Wraith ship would'nt be able to stand up to a few shots from Asgard weapons. That ZPM Hive also easily took down the Deadalus's shields and could of destroyed her but it left for Atlantis instead. If the Deadalus had a ZPM it would of done more damage but the Hive would of still been more powerful.
NANOFORGE 1 year ago
@NANOFORGE But we can’t say that for sure. All we know is with a ZPM tied in to its systems, an x-304 class ship shields are increased and it can make it from the Milky Way to Pegasus within 4 days, and that was before the asgard gave earth everything they own. I still believe both ships wouldn’t change if both used a ZPM in combat in terms of effectiveness. It would be like a normal engagement just with a huge power source for both.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Well yeah your right, we have never seen the Deadalus fight with a ZPM. I could'nt be like a normal engagement which would mean the Deadalus would win, but that Hive was much larger than normal. You have to take into account the ZPM hives hull was several times of magnitude harder. It's hard to say, I still think the Hive would have the upperhand due to it's size.
NANOFORGE 1 year ago
@NANOFORGE True but also keep in mind that a ZPM powered x-304 would have stronger beam weapons. Even though the super hive was much larger than normal, I believe the deadalus or any other x-304 with a ZPM would still be able to deal serious damage to the increased damage capability of the beam weapons.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@NANOFORGE My apologizes, I meant to say due to the increased damage capability of the beam weapons.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx We've seen the Odyssey fight with beam weapons with pretty much no noticeable difference, the only major difference is in shields and the engines. While the Odyssey did not actually fight the ZPM hive, I'm pretty sure that if a ZPM would've made all that big a difference, the 3 powering Atlantis and the drones that are typically stronger than beam weapons would've done something, unless you're willing to contest the Odyssey is stronger than Atlantis.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 Where are you getting the Odyssey from? Look we know for a fact that a ZPM tied to an earth ship increases shield strength and hyper drive speed, and that’s before the asgard gave earth all they owned. If a ZPM powered hive took on a ZPM powered x-304, nothing would change. It would be like a normal engagement just with more power.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Because the Odyssey is the only Earth ship with a permanent ZPM. Their beam weapons aren't noticeably stronger either. The fact is, Atlantis, an ancient city ship with 3 ZPMs, barely scratched the paint on the Wraith superhive. The Odyssey cannot top that, it just doesn't make sense, they are slower than Atlantis, have less power, have worst shields and and no drones, they're not going to do what Atlantis cannot do.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 The only reason why atlantis didn’t do jack to the super hive is because they didn’t have very many drones. Remember in the alternate time line, the super hive reach earth but got its ass handed to it but the ancient weapon platform. Besides, we know the odyssey has increased shield strength so it can late a lot longer against the super hive then the other x-304’s. Look at the ark of truth, how long did that ship hold out against a bombardment of 4 ori energy cannons?
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx That was not a super hive that reached Earth in the alternate timeline, you can clearly see in Vegas that it was a regular hive. We also see that Atlantis was still able to fire a great deal of drones, none of which did jack squat. Also, it only took one volley from the super hive to bring down the shields on the Daedalus, as opposed to 3 Ori beam weapon shots for a normal BC-304. The Wraith could thus, drain the Odyssey's shields much faster than the Ori due to their rate of fire.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 How do you figure that hive in Vegas was a regular hive and not the super hive? If that was a regular hive it would have been destroyed long before it hit the Milky Way. Sure, Atlantis fired a lot of drones but compared to the drones on earth that wasn’t a lot. Even the Orion fired more drones before blowing up then Atlantis did in comparison.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Because it was clearly seen on screen that is was not a super-hive. We also don't know the alternate reality Wraith and human tech. So there is no way of knowing whether the humans could intercept it in time, or whether the Wraith had not found a way to reach Earth w/out a ZPM. It should be noted though, at the end of Vegas, they stopped the Wraith with A-10 warthogs when any ship in orbit or a 302 could've one-shotted the trailer.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx @xRAYKOx That was not a super hive that reached Earth in the alternate timeline, you can clearly see i that it was a regular hive. We also see that Atlantis was still able to fire a great deal of drones, none of which did jack squat. Also, it only took one volley from the super hive to bring down the shields on the Daedalus, as opposed to 3 Ori beam weapon shots for a normal BC-304. The Wraith could thus, drain the Odyssey's shields much faster than the Ori due to their firepower.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 Where’s the evidence that states that’s a normal hive in Vegas. Had that been a normal hive it would have been destroyed long before it reached earth. With mckay and zelenka, they would have been able to pin point the checkpoints that hive would stop at and between the Daedalus, Odyssey, Apollo, Sun Tzu, and the newly built General Hammond, that hive would be gone. But since there was no 304 defending earth, I have to say that was indeed the super hive.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx 1) The FX visual was that of a normal hive and 2) None of those points are valid given that it is a parallel universe where Earth may not even have starships or beam weapons and the Wraith might not have to exit hyperspace in checkpoints. For all we know, drones are also stronger and there might be two drone launchers on Earth. For all we know, the Wraith could've also sent dozens of hives to Earth as we only see the end of the battle.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 Between SG1 and Atlantis we have seen 4 Alternate Reality occasions and in each one the events that transpired in SG1/Atlantis reality also occurred in the AR. Granted there where major differences mainly characters but the events were the same. There’s more evidence that suggest it was in fact the super hive in Vegas then there is suggesting it’s a normal hive. As for mckay and zelenka, pin pointing stops the hive would have to take to recover from radiation is very high.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Actually, we've seen at least 20+ alternate realities some of which would never have developed ships (occupied/global catastrophe) and at least one where all available ships may have been destroyed (in "Daedalus Variations") or which had events that did not occur. Also, how is there more evidence for a superhive when FX shows a regular hive and Todd, who warned Earth about the hive in the original reality to begin with, was in captivity and not quite sane.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 If you saying that was a normal hive based on appearance then that isn’t prove enough. True there’s AR’s that yet to developed ships and what not, but I’m taking about the AR’s that have been shown to use. Vegas would be one of those AR’s that would have ships. If you can tell me where they were then I’d believe that was a normal hive and not the super hive.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx As the one claiming the superhive exists, the burden of proof lies largely upon your shoulders. I have provided sufficient evidence for my part, visual evidence and counterexamples. The same lies with the Earth ships. I have provided proof for them not existing but we must not assume they exist and then prove they don't, rather, we assume they don't and see if we can prove they do. Also, if they did have ships they could be: missing, destroyed, too far away to exist, etc.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 I don’t see how you provided sufficient evidence, visual, or counter examples to anything. Both or our arguments are based on pure speculation and believe. We both made good claims and comments to the subjects at hand. None of us can truly say with 100% certainty who’s right and who’s wrong. None of us have good enough evidence to convince the other. Until they explain these subjects in great detail it’s safe to say were both right.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Uhh...your little tiff here might be long-over, but there's more holes in both sides than Swiss cheese. Just like the plot hole that was never sewn up where the alternate McKay in Vegas claimed to have been the one who crossed over into "our" reality in "McKay and Mrs. Miller", but in that episode, he stated that Sheppard was a member of the Atlantis expedition and that they did indeed have ships. Furthermore, in Vegas, F-302s are shown fighting Darts in orbit in the Wraith flashback.
fmcc0904 10 months ago
@xRAYKOx To the first subject of being able to transport while a 304 is cloaked? Ark of Truth. Which had transpired prior to even Season 4 of Atlantis, as it was technically the first mention of the Apollo and Colonel Ellis (chronologically-speaking). The Odyssey cloaked in orbit of the planet where Celestus was located, and they then beamed SG-1 to the surface. So, really, if anything, the lack of consistency in some plot elements is to blame. Not who can tell what FX shots match which.
fmcc0904 10 months ago
@fmcc0904 There are a few holes in your statements that need to be clarified. First of all, in the Vegas episode, that mckay wasn’t the one to “cross” into our reality. If you remember in "McKay and Mrs. Miller” there was a scene where the alternate mckay was talking about his teyla, ronon, and sheppard. If you remember, he said his sheppard was “a know it all” kind of like our mckay.
xRAYKOx 10 months ago
@xRAYKOx Um, please read a little more carefully before being long-winded and looking like an IDIOT. It was a plot-hole. The McKay in "Vegas" claimed to have been the one to cross over to our reality. I quote, "I once met another John Sheppard". That was a reference to "McKay and Mrs. Miller". The writers blog even stated that was a plot-hole/mistake. So, sorry, but YOU were the wrong one there. Which means the entire argument was flawed to begin with.
fmcc0904 10 months ago
@fmcc0904 You clearly need to rewatch "Mckay and mrs. Miller" again because your "facts" have no merit. First off all, the mckay in Vegas and the alternate mckay had 2 completely different personalities. Secondly, as mentioned in “mckay and mrs. Miller” The alternate john Sheppard was a “know it all”.
xRAYKOx 10 months ago
@xRAYKOx And to address your feeble counters, those are explained by your idiocy in not acknowledging plot holes. They exist! "Those two McKays had totally different personalities"...Seriously? What a moron! The McKay from 3x08 and 5x19 acted almost EXACTLY the same: confident, charismatic, and personable. I suggest YOU rewatch a few things before making YOURSELF look the fool. The inconsistencies between the 3x08 and 5x19 McKays were the result of SLOPPY WRITING...not 2 different ones.
fmcc0904 7 months ago
@xRAYKOx The writing team failed to keep pace with what the alternate Sheppard was meant to be like, and retconned him into a detective to fit the plot of their CSI episode. Considering how much retcon they've been guilty of with regard to Universe, how is that so hard to just accept? Bottom line - arguing with me is pointless. I know the series far better than you, obviously. On screen as well as the errors committed by those who made the shows.
fmcc0904 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 You only know a fraction of what you speak man as shown with your lack of understanding the difference in the characters and spotting the detail that’s involved. Now once again, I’m putting this childish game of yours to rest. Unless you physically provide evidence to support your theory, this discussion is over. I know what you say is crap and your too arrogant to listen to me.
xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@xRAYKOx Yet you fail to recognize that whatever superficial differences there were exist because of the writers' retcon! I don't see how that is so difficult to understand. That trumps every single "point" you make. And I didn't comment back then because it didn't pop up in my inbox. Do not try to tell me that the SG writing team has never done it before or since. The 3 shots from a zat = disintegrate? Retconned out of existence. The Odyssey being able to one-shot anything? Retconned.
fmcc0904 7 months ago
@xRAYKOx The 9-chevron address, discovered in the Atlantis database? PURE retcon. Examples exist within SGA also, "Vegas" being a glaring example for anyone with a marginal number of brain cells. Also, to speak to something you tried pointing out a VERY long time ago, but that I had missed...trying to suggest that they might not have had a Daedalus in "Vegas". The alternate Daedalus was mentioned in 3x08 by alternate McKay and in 5x19 by Walter. Wrong about that, too.
fmcc0904 7 months ago
@xRAYKOx I believe the now-vilified Wright and Mallozzi even admitted to fouling up the continuity to make "Vegas" as in retrospect they were "getting bored" with making Atlantis and were eager to get started on their new pet project (which failed miserably, btw), Universe. Apparently, that was one of the few episodes in the last season of SGA they "enjoyed" making, so they took a few liberties and went on a whim, trying to use a previous-episode reference even though it didn't track.
fmcc0904 7 months ago
@xRAYKOx End point is: I know all 3 series (even though only half of SGU was watchable) far better, as well as the idiotic cock-ups made by the production team, and putting those two together is so incredibly simple. Why it's beyond your ability, I have no idea. But there it is. I don't think anyone will deny that the writing style in Season 5 of SGA took a nosedive (for the most part) and we learned later it was because of the trash they were working on alongside, and considered a priority.
fmcc0904 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 I suspect you will comment back saying the same crap as before while attempting to belittle me. Let’s see just how immature you can be shall we?
xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@xRAYKOx But to add - I recall quite clearly that the Vegas Sheppard did not track with what 3x08 McKay described. And? Please, do yourself a favor and look up RETCON. It's a fairly simple concept, used by writers who grow lazy and/or don't care if the fans notice a discrepancy within one of the story arcs/subplots/etc of a show they work on. It's what happened there. Keep on trying to appear intelligent; you're only in denial.
fmcc0904 7 months ago
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xRAYKOx 7 months ago
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xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@xRAYKOx Already read what you said, btw. Yes, it's late, but you replied straight away, so calling me immature for posting at "4 in the morning" is a tad hypocritical as not only did you do the same, but you did it less than 20 minutes after I thoroughly debunked your entire argument. Retcon certainly does matter in a case like this, because it shows sloppiness on the part of the writers and makes you look like a fool for trying to come out looking intelligent. But the point is, no one is right
fmcc0904 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 Someone with a massive ego who thinks his opinion is the right one. The alternate John Sheppard in Vegas had none of these qualities. Which again, rematch this episode before you make a fool of yourself again.
xRAYKOx 10 months ago
@fmcc0904 As for my second “point”, I was referring to using the ability when the 10 hives were on their way to attaints. I guess you failed to read my full post on this subject before you jumped into a conversation long been over with. Wraith wouldn’t expect it, the daedalus would have been able to deploy their nukes like planed.
xRAYKOx 10 months ago
@fmcc0904 Lastly, your entire argument is solely on the fact that the Vegas mckay said he visited a John Sheppard who was the leader of the atlantis team and that he contributed to forming the interdimensional rift, but did it ever occure to you that this mckay had a similar time line as ours?
xRAYKOx 10 months ago
@fmcc0904 Remember there are infinite realities so it’s not going to be hard to find two realities that are very similar and still different. No this discussion (if that) is going nowhere. I end this by saying not one of use can truly sway the other. If you feel the need to commit back on this by all means, but I won’t be a part of this childish game with you any longer. Been down that road already. End of discussion.
xRAYKOx 10 months ago
@xRAYKOx Hadn't seen that comment for some reason until now. Yes, wise decision. Considering that the writers' intention was to have that McKay be one and the same with the one from the earlier episode. Falling back on "Oh, it was another set of SIMILAR realities" argument. Really? You lost, pure and simple. Which is why you gave up. Zelenka even semi-berated the "Vegas" McKay over the interdimensional rift, which was opened in "McKay and Mrs. Miller". They still screwed the consistency. Period.
fmcc0904 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 Are you really serious? Are you really going to comment on something I put to rest 3 months ago? I mean, do you really have nothing better to do with your time then to troll on youtube? Buddy, you need to find better use of your life then to troll youtube videos Anyway, the only one who lost was you. Considering the fact you failed to reply to me 3 months ago and the fact you simply can’t see outside the box.
xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 The two McKay’s were different but we can debt this all day and night, what you fail to see, due to your ego being the size of Texas, are the sheppards. There the key in determining the difference between the realities. When the alternate McKay came to our world in “McKay and Mrs. Miller” he talked about his expedition team and the difference between them and ours.
xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 He stated how his Ronon was pretty much the same as ours, his Teyla lacked a lot of Athosian knowledge and customs and his sheppard (pay attention now this is important) was no different than our Mckay. He was extremely arrogant and extremely intelligent as stated by the alternate Mckay when he said his sheppard was a know it all. Now right here is the first clue your ass failed to see.
xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 If what this Mckay said is true, then his sheppard knows of Atlantis, he knows of the stargate, and he knows of the wraith. Now look at the Vegas sheppard. This sheppard is a run of the mill cop who appears to have seen better days. He doesn’t know of atlantis, he doesn’t know of the startgate, and he doesn’t know of the wraith because the Vegas Mckay and the Mr. woolsey of this time had to explain it to him.
xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 For example, they showed him Tod as he was caged up reciting poetry to himself. In addition, this sheppard did not have the same characteristics and personality as described by the alternate McKay in “McKay and Mrs. Miller”. He didn’t think he knew everything and he sure as hell didn’t have the same intelligence level, or anything close to, the McKay we know.
xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 As for the McKay’s, they are different moron. The Vegas McKay was very serious, straight to the point, and, if you noticed, he was in charge. The other McKay was kind, full of energy, and had a different persona then the Vegas McKay. Face it dude, you lost. You lost 3 months ago and you lost again. You can’t see the detail here in the two stories. Which explains why it took you 3 months to comment back on something I put to rest.
xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@fmcc0904 Instead of you telling me to re-watch the episodes before I make a fool of myself perhaps you need to take your own advice and watch them yourself because your pathetic ass knows nothing about this show. But don’t worry, by doing so you can fill in those empty gaps of your time that you seem to have. That would be one less video you can troll. Arguing with me is a waste of time.
xRAYKOx 7 months ago
@xRAYKOx Second-off, ignoring the writer foul-up, in that McKay's reality, we at the very least had a Daedalus, as he referred to it in the previous episode. As to your last "point" (I hesitate to even call it that, but...) I never said something like that wouldn't work. The main problem with that theory is the assumption that the Wraith don't run their EM-jamming constantly. They're aware that we have cloaking and beam tech.
fmcc0904 10 months ago
@xRAYKOx Lastly, to close the book completely, further in-episode evidence to the 3x08 and 5x19 McKays being the same person: Radek made a point of bringing up the interdimensional rift to Vegas McKay, as if to rub it in his face that it was something he contributed to forming. Incidentally, it was why that reality was still connected to several others (including ours), causing the Super Hive to get Earth's location in EATG. End of discussion.
fmcc0904 10 months ago
@fmcc0904 The sheppard in Vagas didnt seem like “a know it all” to me. that mckay in Vegas had to have visited a different reality with a sheppard as the leader.
xRAYKOx 10 months ago
@fmcc0904 Secondly, yes there were F-302’s fighting the hive in Vegas. Now I don’t think they had ships, no way would they allow a normal hive to get that close to earth. Besides, just because they have F-302’s doesn’t mean they have ships or not. Our reality built the fighter jets before the actual ship if you remember correctly.
xRAYKOx 10 months ago
@fmcc0904 Thirdly, while it is true that the Odyssey had cloaking abilities in ark of truth, no one knows how. If you remember correctly, when Daniel Jackson was a prior, he did “something” to make the ship cloak. No one knows what he did and even as a prior he said it was extremely complex. Now you can’t tell me that adjusting a jumpers cloaking crystal to replace a 304’s shields and beam nukes on board a wraith hive couldn’t work.
xRAYKOx 10 months ago
@CobaltX07 I love how our argument has shifted from cloaking capability to, is that the super hive or not? Look buddy, this argument has lasted over a week and if you want to continue I’ll shoot for another week but it doesn’t look like either of us will convince the other. I did have fun tho, It's hard to find ppl who know a lot about stargate.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
@xRAYKOx Well you're probably right about the convincing part, anyway, maybe they'll explain this later in the series. In the meantime, I'll call it a week.
CobaltX07 1 year ago
@CobaltX07 Sry I meant to say last not late.
xRAYKOx 1 year ago
a..clock?
zzxcvb98 1 year ago
what episode is ?
RWLER 3 years ago
Just remember guys, the Phoenix was rushed into production, much like the Korolev and we saw what happened to it against the Ori. If they took there time getting it ready it most likely would have held off, but they were taken by surprise when they excited hyperspace.
brooksy83 3 years ago
all Asgards didnt die, 6 or 7 asgards had been in Pegasus for 10 000 years but then got killed by Rodney and Dr Jackson.
Ziklos2 3 years ago