"What restricted access to miliary and government installations has to do with anything?"
So you're fine with securing federal property, but not the country as a whole? Border security is 50% financial. Checks & balances. Information. Regulation. TAXATION to run all these liberal social programs that are running the country into the ground.
People running across the desert at night are criminals. Literally. And they aren't accounted for, or paying into the system.
"TAXATION to run all these liberal social programs that are running the country into the ground."
Actually; i think the funding of dictators all around the world; The maintaining of the global empire and feeding the army consuming as twice as all other 210ish world countries put together is what's running your country into the ground...
It sure ran all the other empires in history into the ground eventually... the ones who survived changed...
"If someone like you were a president he would probably invade a country for oil and kill 1 milion people; Ah wait..."
I thought we were staying on topic... are we, or are we not? And in any case, what does this have to do with the border? on top of that, I AGREE ABOUT BUSH. But it goes so, so far beyond Bush!
And IF you REALLY belkieve in them as valid; Well then you're dangerously paranoid atleast...
P.S. I advise you to close all the schools too... I mean all those massacres happened... You can't risk the life of your children for the future of your children...
Can't get something in America? Leave, then come back with it... or just smuggle it in as you illegally "immigrate" (infiltrate).
Do you see how stupid you are being? If you are going to control what you put on the market, you need to defend yourself from other markets that aren't restricted. It's COMMON SENSE. Something you appear to be lacking.
Try to buy half a ton of fertilizer in America. See what happens.
"Half a ton of fertilizers? Sure you can't I guess... but so you can buy/make a shitload of explosives and blow up a federal building with some 200ish people in it"
A bomb that was made with fertilizer and diesel fuel.
You obviously don't know much about the history of regulation, or understand the difference between pre and post 9/11 America. Do you know what DHS is? Do you know how many agencies there are? New powers / regs?
You can make a bomb out of gasoline and styrofoam...
A child can make it...
You can make a bomb with shitload of ammo you hold in your basement...
Just an explosive from a box of 12gauge shells can make pretty nasty little bomb...
And why a bomb? You don't need it at all... A Barrett 107(legally pursached in a gun shop by a civilian) + Church tower = Massacre... It happened few times here and ther; Just no one had a barrett 107 yet...
You're making anti-gun arguments. Why? Making guns illegal doesn't stop criminals. It just disarms the rest of the population. And it makes even less sense when you're arguing against border security!
Let me get this straight: You don't want anyone to have the ability to legally buy guns, yet don't mind if they flood across the border illegally? How does that make sense?
"You're making anti-gun arguments. Why? Making guns illegal doesn't stop criminals"
No it doesn't... But it minimizes the possibility of them getting the weaponry... And i9t almost elkiminates a possibility of a non-criminal nutbag getting the gear... That's how happened Germany or Serbia for instance have incomparably smaller gun-death rates... It disarms NO ONE; A handgun for home protection is JUST ENOUGH... Your M107 is useless and M16 more likelly to kill your kid in a bed...
Firing a military weapon in controlled conditions, on a range for instance, is one thing and having one on your bed-stand an another...
Shotguns also seem reasonable for home-protection as they minimize the possibility of ricochetting... But not something like A-12(Also available to civilians in US)...
So now you're using one man with a handgun as an example? Every time I refresh the page you have injected a new argument into the mix, and abandoned the previous one.
How can you compare one man with a handgun to stopping an Iranian or North Korean dirty bomb, or people on NO ENTRY lists from getting into the country?
i only MENATIONED latest example of terrorism on US soil...
man with a handgun? Man with a handgun; Dedication to GB and alike batshit insane talk; Ah - Did I forgot to say EXTENDED MAGS... Why would anyone need an extended mag? Ain't some 15ish 9mm bullets just enough to disable an evil mexican/black intruder? I guess it is... Right... So; EXTENDED MAG? But i will admit it's unusual; i mean no offensive military grade weapon was used...
The fact that you're still spewing leftist media propaganda that has thoroughly been debunked to the point that the MSM is in the "let's move on" phase they always go into when the facts come out saddens me. You're not even up to speed with your own propaganda.
He didn't listen to radio. He hated the news. He had been stalking her long before Beck or Palin were in the spotlight, or even knew who she was.
She was also pro-border security. Extremely so. If he was a Beck fan, why shoot her? And why kill the Republican judge?
He was clearly insane, and expressed frustration over rejection from women. He started out by helping her, but in 2007 developed a hatred for her. It's a classic stalker case. His friends said he was either "liberal" or "independent" (a registered one) and hateful, scary, and disturbed. He didn't listen to the radio or watch TV.
ROFL; "and expressed frustration over rejection from women"
A little bit of Freud in an alternative way ;-)
Well we both agree he was insane...
A sane person would never harm a random person under normal circumstances(You know; ordinary life; Not a war or so)... Well depending on what you take 'sanity' to be...
So why are you connecting him to Glenn Beck? Are you withdrawing that accusation, or do we need to keep going? I'm just looking out for you, here... giving you 100% accurate information.
Just understand: When you say he had "dedication to GB", you are discrediting yourself. Just like when you stated the exact OPPOSITE of reality with the FEMA Camp accusation.
You have to know what you're slinging around or you'll end up destroying your own credibility. Be careful.
I used Glen Beck as a mark for alike... i could say O'Reilley... I could mention someone of those people bringing their armallites on protests or putting crosshairs with people's name on it... So... I could... It's all one group of fear-hate mongerers... Dedication to GB; I've meant a show of that type(Yes; I guess including the show also)... So... Yeah... Sorry and i sometimes mix Alex Jones and GB; Even the difference is AJ is not THAT of an idiot, but clearly is batshit insane...
You're discrediting yourself, here... why? Why risk it by saying things you have no proof of?
He was a pothead, had a long history of mental issues, had been kicked out of college for outbursts, scared his fellow students, talked about blowing up babies (Beck doesn't even support abortion), using marijuana (and himself) as a currency, ranted about grammar, burned the flag, misinterpreted the constitution, and said completely illogical things.
Potheads are peaceful... Crackheads are violent... (Different substances induce different states)
He was a pothead... "Beck doesn't even support abortion" ofcourse he doesn't; he's an Evangelical nutbag... it's not that people knew much about biology when writing the Bible...
So interpretation matter... Like the interpretation and context of 2nd amandmen matters... Right?
Yes; I know about the grammar and all; Apparently he wasn't sane....
What an idiotic thing to say. Now everyone who smokes weed (including practically every inner-city gang member and drug dealer) is peaceful?
You can apply generalizations to groups, but not to individuals. It breaks down. Once you are talking about a specific individual, you can't use that argument.
PLEASE READ THE BRACKETS; My point was he didn't kill cause of the drug he used... Cause that particular drug does NOT induce violent behaviour... Being peaceful is an individual characteristic... THE BRACKED explaiuned my point... Cause i know the story about how pothead made him shoot up people...
PLEASE; DON'T TWIST MY WORDS.
It was a sarcastic intro line to your 'he was a pothead' implying 'that mus've been the reason he killed people'
"not that people knew much about biology when writing the Bible"
Oh, do tell! Let's hear about biology! Are you saying we're only human once outside of the womb? Is that your idea of "biology"? I really want to hear this.
Do you want to watch some mid / late term and partial birth abortion videos with me? I can send you links, and we can discuss it there while watching the skulls cracked open and limbs cut off. You even see the spinal cord being snapped.
Biology; Well a bundle of stem(not yet determined) cells sure ain't a human... Human can think... A bundle of cells can't... An initial tissue can't... Maybe after the first brain ways are measurable it's to be regarded as human... And no abortion can be legally performed at that point...
That's my 'idea' of biology suported by scientific fact(Modern science; one of the things the authors of Bible didn't have back then)...
@Orthodoxcrusader You really are THAT dumb! I thought there was NO WAY anyone could be THAT misinformed. "Maybe after the first brain ways are measurable it's to be regarded as human... And no abortion can be legally performed at that point..."
I think you've been reading some nutty pro-abortion stuff. My last son was born with CCAM. We had the option of fetal surgery. We saw videos of prior surgeries, during which babies brain waves measured as early as 14 weeks. US Abortions legal till 40 wks.
Sorry? I don't read 'pro-abortion' nor 'anti-abortion' stuff...
All I'm interested in is scietific stuff... Science supports no stand... It's your personal choice...
And as YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE it's not on me to forbid it...
And I'm pretty sure 90% of the right is against abortion not of a 9months old child(I'm not sure it's legal to abort at 40weeks), but against abortion of a bundle of 100 cells...
Well, if his biggest arguments were nonsensical abstractions that have NOTHING to do with Beck or the Tea Party, or even conservatism / libertarianism, why do you say he had "dedication to GB"?
You NEVER answer my questions. Can you please answer this one? Why did you say it, and do you still stand by it?
Ah; The Tea party. Don't go there please... it might cause my abdomen muscles to hurt(from laughing)...
You don't want to cause me pain, right?
He talked about ASSASINATION; And then killed a Democratic congresswomen; As many called their people to do so(kill liberals/democrats; grab their guns; Reload; Water certain trees and so on...
Yeah; i WONDER WHAT'S THE CONNECTION...
I really wonder where the very idea of the act comes from?
He must have listened to marlyn Manson! *SARCASM NOTE*
Well putting a crosshair is pretty a straight forward message you know...
For instance... it can only get more direct when you say 'Don't kill all the Jews; leave a few to remember the world how vile they were" Ah sorry; that's what Hitler said... I've meant to quote ""I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus so we we'll never forget what these people stood for."
And that was just a little smple of common rightist rethorics. That is eithert a call for murder; OR maybe all rightists love Shakespear like that hosewife who said 'refudiate' does so their words either don't exist or even if they say kill it's a metaphor for some opposite kind word...
I don't know... Maybe saying to an average rightist voter(Someone who maybe finished highschool) to 'reload' or 'take his/hers gun(s)' has some deep allegoric meaning...
Maybe calling on the killing of abortion doctors is also a metaphor...
I really don't know...
But it sure wasn't for people who actually took the 'matter in their own hands'(as the right calls it) and blew up a federal building, killed doctors, children or comitted other acts of terrorism...
yet again; Remember these words; IF ANYTHING involving a dirty bomb EVER happens; Well THE BOMB will be from an 'ally' country OR something like cesium from a local US hospital...
Yet nothing like that happened... Guessing why... IT WON'T HAPPEN...
But history of massacres with military grade weaponry is quite long and bloody...
"How is that an argument for not securing the border?"
Cause it won't be checked... U don't check nor count the money from your old and very good friend.... If he tells you to beat up a random guy on the streets you might as well do that too...
"Cause it won't be checked... U don't check nor count the money from your old and very good friend...."
WOW, you are naive. Every country has operatives in every other country. Do you think spies are cold war era relics or something? And you're sweeping aside countless examples of UN, US, UK, China, Russia, Israel, Iran relations / espionage / spying.
Bottom line: Should immigration be enforced, or not? Should people be allowed to flood into the country by the millions, use medicare, medicaid, education, infrastructure, welfare, and now Fedicare, without paying into the system?
You talked about terrorists being able to get onto planes... how does not having a clue who is in your country help to prevent that?
Are you against access control in Federal buildings / military installations? Key cards?
Saying goods coming across the border need to be inspected is absurd?
"IF you REALLY belkieve in them as valid; Well then you're dangerously paranoid atleast"
You cite terrorist attacks, and then say it's "dangerously paranoid" to be concerned over illegal border activity. Which is it? Will you choose an argument?
Do you , or do you not think the flow goods and services (domestic policy) should be upheld at the borders?
What does that have to do with anything? I really don't see your point... are you saying the border should only be defended at night?
So I can walk into your house and take full advantage of your utilities and food, without paying or asking for anything, without you having a problem? Because that's what's happening to America.
If you compare the American border to the Berlin wall, it doesn't say much for your grasp of history.
What a week for hateful rhetoric! First we heard Obama intentionally evoke racial imagery with his “sit in the back” of the bus comment. The self-proclaimed “post-racial” president is really the most racial president...and certainly our most divisive ever. Now we hear Obama telling supporters to "punish our enemies." Seriously! Obama's not talking about Al-Qaeda or the Taliban -- Obama is telling supporters to “punish” fellow Americans on the other side of a political aisle! Obama is despicable.
My favorite part was when he deflected criticism of his own racism by pointing out his grandmother was supposedly racist too, and did it in a racist way:
"She is a typical white person"
He and his wife have caused racial tensions from the beginning... it was part of the plan. We weren't initiating it, so they had to. It was vital to get that ball rolling during the campaign, which they both did, along with Oprah Winfrey. It was their ace in the hole.
P.S. Somewhat the closest to ACTUAL communism was wen Obama saved the Private Corporations from crashing by giving them piles of cash; Why he did that/ Well; When you are owned by the INCs you really don't have a chance...
Both parties of the US are more like Corporatist War parties than anything else...
I mean if you can't figure out that your schoolkids are dying on the other side on the world since Vietnam atleast to feed the greedy CEOs then I can't help you; No one can; Not even God...
Its the same thing in the UK, for some reason the Neo Com Western leaders decided to take this title on. We have Drug Tzars, Children Tzars, I dunno why, probably trying tell us that theses neo Tzars are royalty that we should bow down to while we have to live like proletariat peasants
Proletariat peasants? I think they classified them as 'workers'...
But nevermind...
And a Tzar is always in full control... I don't see Obama is in any(It appears he only has left rethorics to be relatively free)... I mean the wars in iraq and Afghanistan are still on as the Corporate-controlled(lobbied, bribed, whatever) Congress voted... He had to negotiate with BP instead of smashing the hand on the table and saying, gentlemen you're fucked and you gonna pay triple!
Someone needs to do some settling in US too in order to bring back Presidency to life... By definition a president isn't supposed to be a sock with sewn-on eyes on anyone's hand; only the hand of the people....
You don't think Obama is acting like a petulant emperor?
You don't get the communist thing? Obama and Jarrett appointed Van Jones, a communist. He's the founder of STORM. I'll put a link to the STORM summation in the video description for you if you want to read it.
The rest of your comment was just typical leftist BS. One day, people will figure out that red = color and neck = skin and it will become a racist term. Until then, have fun with it I guess...
Nope; i don't 'get' the 'communism thing' cause I DO have quite solid knowledge from spheres of sociology, history and so politics... Someone with elementary school and two books read in life probably 'gets it' the way you propagate it...
Leftist BS? LOL! My FINAL point was Obama is not change from the past; US is still a Corporatist EMPIRE rushing to became the first institution of Corporate Fascist rule; Country where wars are ordered by the CEOs...
As always, the elites are using the petty socialists, communists, and even anarchists to cause social strife in order to bring in good, old fashioned fascism.
Van Jones is one of those peons being used. He is a communist.
You think way too highly of yourself, and keep making that single, narrow attack on semantics... on a satirical video that doesn't label a single person a tsar. You really think I don't understand what's going on because of one word in one video?
Nope; redneck will NEVER become a racist term... Cause a redneck is Caucasian by so called 'race'... The term 'race' is silly itself cause difference between different 'races' isn't even speciation; there are no any big nor relevant differences and what's more important there's NO difference in cognitive abilities... So... nah... Rednecks will never became a 'race' as they never became anything and stayed the undereducated racist and hateful social reject... Ah wait; They may become OBSOLETE.
[The term 'race' is silly itself cause difference between different 'races' isn't even speciation]
Of course it isn't speciation... that's why it isn't defined as such. That's why it's "race", not "species".
What, exactly, is your point? You're mixing the terms yourself in order to create your own argument. Admit it: you just wanted to say "speciation", didn't you?
[The term 'race' is silly itself cause difference between different 'races']
How can the term "race" be silly when you yourself, in that very sentence, justified its existence by admitting there are differences? That's why it exists, genius.
Is your problem simply the word itself? Do you not like the way it sounds? What's your point, here?
You're telling me I can put 5 black people and 5 white people in a group, tell you there were 2 lineal descendant families of 5 before you, and you wouldn't be able to guess which was which?
To say there's no need to classify "black" and "white" as "different" is a pathetic argument. "Different" does not imply a difference in worth... it simply acknowledges reality.
[Rednecks will never became a 'race' as they never became anything and stayed the undereducated racist and hateful social reject]
There's so much here.
1) I never said rednecks would become a race, you idiot. I said the term "redneck" would become a racist term for a specific class of whites... just as "nigger" is a racist term for a specific class of blacks.
[Rednecks will never became a 'race' as they never became anything and stayed the undereducated racist and hateful social reject]
2) So if "rednecks" had "become something" (waiting for definition), attained education (such as being mechanical geniuses?), and become socially mainstream, they would have become a race?
That's what you're saying... those were your reasons for why they aren't a race.
I'm going to try something here. Let's see if it works:
Are there any undereducated inner-city kids? How about black or Latino ones?
Are there any racist inner-city gangs? How about black or Latino ones?
Are there any inner-city hate crimes? How about anti-gay / white ones?
Are there any inner-city social rejects? Are rapes, murders, gang wars, theft, prostitution, drug dealing, abduction, extortion etc socially acceptable?
I've said; A redneck is a CAUCASIAN by a 'race'...
Latinos; well they are LATINOS; Not Caucasian...
My logic was QUITE WELL SPECIFIED AND DEFINED...
I mean there's probably equivalent term as redneck for Latinos as there's the term 'boondock' for the blacks with 'suburbia man' mentality(Not sure you have the term; but we do...)...
Inner-city failures; Ofcourse...
And considering I take a term 'redneck' more as a mentality; The location(urbanization) really DOES NOT matter...
You can't twist my words around; Try that with someone else...
As i've mentioned the level of differences is not even to be called 'speciation' so for sure it isn't a 'race'... Racists are those who believe 'races' actually exist...
Therefore the term 'racist' is completely valid for overall designation of undereducated or miss-educated people who still stand to the concept of 'human races'...
Cause if you think you're fighting for the middle class while actually being a tool of these people watch?v=2Jy1KoHdTCA and people above them(1-3% of US citizens; the 'blue-blooded' ones; Dukes of the corporate fascism) I'm not really convinced you can stand against me...
I mean HOW someone who thinks Obama's a Jewish Muslim Communist illegal Alien(About everything that his racist mind resents) can match me in any positive/desired way?
The birther movement was started by democrats; the Clinton campaign, as well as Philip J Berg, who happens to be a member of the NAACP. Since then, it has been fanned by Obama himself, in many speeches. Why? Because it serves as an excellent diversion from his policy... one that discredits people who follow it. In short, it manipulates both sides.
Do you want poll data? The fact is, most "birthers" aren't Republicans... did you know that?
i'm not talking about birther movement; Although they are nutjobs too...
I'm talking about 30 percent of US; 60percent of Texas and NN percent of the GOP body who thinks pretty much what i've said in a slightly sarcastic tone...
Now don't say that fine gentlemen of Texas are mainly highly educated progressives who somehow believe all this shit plus a bunch of other silly crap(related and non-related to politics)...
most of the poorly educated racist anti-Obama chaps are WHITE...
And the main problem they are anti-Obama appears that he's; you guess; BLACK...
Therefore I was regarding the issue globally; generally(yea, I know it's too rough and exclusionary way of spectating the matter but there's not a lot of Michael Steeles outthere)...
[most of the poorly educated racist anti-Obama chaps are WHITE]
What about the poorly educated, racist, pro-Obama people?
[And the main problem they are anti-Obama appears that he's; you guess; BLACK]
Incorrect. I'll run with that logic for now though, and turn it on you:
Why did 97% of blacks oppose a white candidate? Why did 97% of blacks support a black one? Compare that percentage to white support / opposition, then defend your stance without contradicting yourself.
[the main problem they are anti-Obama appears that he's; you guess; BLACK]
So they aren't opposing George Soros, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Bill Clinton, Maurice Strong, Andy Stern, Ben Bernanke, Janet Napolitano, Richard Cloward, Frances Piven, Al Gore, Robert Creamer, Anita Dunn, Cass Sunstein, John Holdren, Wade Rathke, Dale Rathke, William Ayers, and all the rest?
They also didn't support Colin Powell, Condaleeza Rice, and Justice Roberts?
@N37BU6 Yes they ARE opposing; Of which many opposing are very justified and are actually pretty valid... But of course the fact remains the both parties are terribly corrupt and actually nothing really changes on any election in past 40 years...
BUT; The opposition wasn't merelly as hard before the scary 'nigger' came to 'take your guns, daughters and grandmothers'...
We both know what's THE issue whether you want publicly to admit it or not...
And what about the multiple rise in the neo-Confederate militia formations all over the state...
Ah; It can't be...
No...
Not cause the president(nothing better nor worse than the past one; just a bit more educated and smoother; but a puppet is a puppet) black; It can't be....
Not The Fed taking 1/3rd of the economy? Extending the Patriot Act and removing the sunset clauses? Trying to tap and track cell phones and read emails without warrant? Taxes? Keeping the borders undefended? Tripling the deficit, bailing out corrupt globalized unions, and passing massive legislation before it's read?
There's a reason why they chose a black guy to make the final push: to fool idiots like you into believing it's racially driven.
Well; Racist segregation and 'Achtung latino' signs is not America; it's what YOU people wish it to become...
Still borders can't be LESS protected like when that man read a kid story and planes started falling from the skies... I mean we've all seen the show; But there's not need to deffend on places no thread is present...
What they will protect with ALL MEANS NECESSARY is The Wall street and the HQ's of the CEO's... They DO protect it by sending kids in deserts.
[Racist segregation and 'Achtung latino' signs is not America; it's what YOU people wish it to become.]
You're completely discredited now. You're the one defending illegal immigration, which (as supported, by design) is crippling medicare, medicaid, and now even the voting system. It hurts legal immigrants, who are more than welcome.
Only an IDIOT would call defending the border racist.
The only walls comparable are the Gaza Wall, ofcourse; The walls nazis had in several places(inter-country borders) and not to forget the DDR wall; the symbol of Iron Curtain...
illegal immigration built America; you're noyt an old continent country... YOU ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS; So don't be hypocritical...
Not we here in Europe build the walls and legitimate people on the streets(Well apparently the nazis did; but not anymore)...
Last time when we were defending our borders from kind 'freedom fighters(people who illegally immigrated and we let them stay; gave them all rights; also citizenship)' who started by killing children on playgrounds; torturing and mutilating men and women and leaving them on the streets; we got labeled to be the worst nazis since WWII; attacked so that fine terrorist, sorry, freedom fighting gentlemen can torch our homes and churches and yet we did NOT start building a wall...
@Orthodoxcrusader [there's not need to deffend on places no thread is present] watch?v=cQSr8a72Bc0&feature=related watch?v=FH42gS-gu8w&feature=related watch?v=RL3jk7BJuGk&feature=related watch?v=LbeyHmWbQjs watch?v=M2HV089go6c watch?v=oylWrxvuDqM&feature=related watch?v=5ac6eNxKN1Y&feature=related watch?v=_m1v66PJdL8 watch?v=1X0X5e71vv4 watch?v=hRvipp1JfWU&feature=fvw watch?v=v_vQ7yz890A&feature=related watch?v=xDWKcSbdmWw&feature=related watch?v=4B_DBCe9_2o&feature=related watch?v=zjwX1zi8r_s
in all those clips; is there also a clip about severed-off heads by the Mexico border?
I just loved the inpactive fear factor of that lie!
P.S. Do you read my replies at all? You don't know what a tread is, believe me...
5 planes that the NORAD let proceed to their targets and shot one heading for the White House or maybe a HQ of some massive corporation is not a thread; It's called 'Reichstagg Fire'...
[5 planes that the NORAD let proceed to their targets and shot one heading for the White House or maybe a HQ of some massive corporation is not a thread; It's called 'Reichstagg Fire']
Nope... Open borders aren't a threat... 'Berlin' walls and Stasi-alike troopers prooved too many times in history to be much more gloomy than just 'good-intentied' effort of 'keeping the borders safe'...
"Your own stupidity is doing the job nicely."
Well... Say again... How many mailmen or neighbors you shot?
"The loss in tax... The drain on the system is massive, never mind crime."
Crime? Which one? War in Afghanistan and Iraq? Well it sure is taking it's toll...
Unsecured ones are... as in wide-open. The financial drain alone proves that.
How many illegals are there in America? How much taxes do they pay? How much of the system do they take advantage of?
Immigration is simple: Come through the front door, sign up, do the paperwork, get a job, pay taxes. And that doesn't happen with an undefended border.
Sure I do. Summers are too hot and winters pretty cold aren't they... I mean that's why people started finding and soon after building shelter during neolith in the first place...
Yep; And the doors; Well they aren't made of panzer plating and don't have locks tick as train-track rails... just ordinary, nice wooden doors... And ofcourse they are only locked at night... In Serbia we don't have such level of fear injected into the community.
When you're a slave to your own paranoia and victim of fear hysteria atmosphere nothing will ever help you; No battleship-alike breach doors, no segregationist walls, no watchtowers and no dedicated military .50 cal assault rifle held under your bed will ever make you feel safe enough... Cause the intruder, the terrorist, whoever you're afraid of, is in your mind...
The fact that illegal immigrants are draining tax revenue (and stealing from legal immigrants) has nothing to do with paranoia. My "paranoia" is simply your own ignorance.
"Cause the intruder, the terrorist, whoever you're afraid of, is in your mind..."
No; Tell that to your allmighty airforce and NORAD...
There are TWO cases when planes strained dangerously of course if we exclude 9-11; In BOTH CASES the planes were shot down after FIRST failing to establish radio contact; SECOND not responding to visual signals from a fighter jet...
So... Yeah...
You can tell that too to HMMWVs that came to New York after 9-11; stayed there few weeks; just to be seen - Cause the threat was and is NONE...
If America's borders are undefended, that means America's security / regulation is only as good as the worst country in the world. It's not hard to grasp. I'll try to make it simple for you:
America guards its nuclear, chemical, and biological material, as well as other goods, extremely well because it is the responsible thing to do. But what is the point in doing so if you leave the border open?
You're only as strong as the weakest link. This is elementary stuff, here.
You guards it better than the Russians... Yet in the US there are whole plants containing cemichal weaponry without even a night guard... Yep... But it's important for infeared people to see a HMMWV passing through NY streets after 9/11... While wild dogs guard the warehouse and a police officer with a car and a flashlight guards 100 miles of coast... No one will see how 'enadngered US is' by putting a military hummer on the coastline. If U were in REAL danger you WOULD protect the COASTLINE.
What is the point of regulating things yourself if you're going to leave the borders undefended? As I said: YOUR SECURITY IS ONLY AS STRONG AS THE WEAKEST LINK. WHEN YOU LEAVE THE BORDER OPEN, YOU ADOPT THE SECURITY STANDARDS OF THE LEAST SECURE NATION.
I'm not talking about people coming in and stealing nukes, you fucking idiot. I'm talking about things coming IN from OUTSIDE.
@N37BU6 "You guards it better than the Russians..."
Sarcasm; You apparently don't understand it... Guarding WMDs better than Russians; Well better than Russians and no one else... Cause only you and them have literally forgotten warehouses housing chemical weapons... With one difference Russians don't have mouths full of terrorism even if they're fighting terrorism on their OWN soil and you do; now fighting terrorism that you've created back in 80ies...
Saying America guards its nuclear stockpile better than Russia does is a display of sarcasm? So... you're saying Russia guards its nukes better than America does?!
Yeah... only 5 major examples in 2010 alone. Several other famous, glaring examples come to mind (such as a certain theater you appear to have forgotten) but I'll just sum it up with sentences from a Wikipedia article:
"Terrorism in Russia has a long history starting from the times of the Russian Empire"
"Starting from the end of the 20th century, significant terrorist activity has taken place in Moscow"
@N37BU6 I'm not talking about people coming in and stealing nukes, you fucking idiot. I'm talking about things coming IN from OUTSIDE."
You're the one who seems to be an idiot... Who talked about stealing nukes? You know a nuclea bomb isn't a hand grenade... You can't steal nor handle it that easily... You were specific... And if something DOES come in; it will come on a ship of some Saudi Sheik; in a cargo that is never checked... On a cargo ship of your ally...
"You're the one who seems to be an idiot... Who talked about stealing nukes?"
You're the one who compared illegal Mexican immigration to European chemical weapon theft. If you knew I wasn't talking about illegals stealing American weaponry, why did you use that analogy?
People like him are if not the cause atleast the fuel of your mass paranoia...If you knew I wasn't talking about illegals stealing American weaponry, why did you use that analogy"
Cause you were talking about them... You're equally afraid of them... And I used a sarcastic tone...
The worst act of terrorism in the US; And the ONLY except 9/11 were comitted by US citizens; In most cases not fresh immigrants, but deep rooted Americans...
"People like him are if not the cause atleast the fuel of your mass paranoia"
SPECIFICS. Tell me everything you "know" about Glenn Beck. Give me 10 topics, his arguments on them, and where he is "lying" or wrong.
"Cause you were talking about them... You're equally afraid of them... And I used a sarcastic tone..."
Will you stop talking in riddles? I don't give a shit about your opinions. I say "securing the border is important to proper regulation" and you go there?
Glen Beck; He's not really much to say about... Interesting insane(Or phony) lkittle character... He would be totally irrelevant if wasn't inspiring terrorism and murder for years by spilling his paranoia nation wide...
To sumarize his 'topics': """Evil comies gonna kill us all; FEMA camps; Run for the hills or better grab your guns; God Almighty was American born in Michigain or wherever; The End Time is coming; WE ALL GONNA DIE"""
Van Jones, ACORN, AFL-CIO, Goldman-Sachs, SEIU, JP Morgan Chase, BP, GE, CFAP, Shore Bank, George Soros, Valerie Jarrett, Rahm Emanuel, STORM, Tides Foundation, Weather Underground, Bill Ayers, Cass Sunstein, Robert Creamer, Maurice Strong, George Bush, Al Gore, Barack Obama, John Holdren, CPUSA, UAW, GM, Anita Dunn, Apollo Alliance, One Nation Rally, UN, IPCC...
Lots to say. Show me what you know. Tell me Beck's "delusions".
Once again, proving your lack of knowledge. Do you watch CNN and MSNBC?
Glenn was OPPOSED to the FEMA Camp conspiracy. He MOCKED it. He DEBUNKED it. That was the ENTIRE POINT of him going there. Not to promote it, but to QUASH it.
FACT: You. Are. Wrong. Indisputable fact. 100% wrong. Uninformed, misinformed, ignorant... whatever you want to call it. COMPLETELY WRONG.
Beck and Popular Mechanics teamed up to DEBUNK the FEMA Camps. Get your shit together.
Ah; GB mentioned FEMA camps few times... Search the net for it... it's not his focus(Like Alex Jonses), but he mentioned it few times... How communists are preparing the camps... I guess the government agency for emergencies is communist and evil too...
When did he say that? Oh, I know: you're referring to the out-of-context HISTORICAL discussions truncated and combined by the MSM and Jon Stewart to make it look like Beck is saying "the commies are going to kill us all".
He talks about ECONOMIC death. ECONOMIC destruction. ECONOMIC warfare. And he's absolutely right.
We need to delve into this, because you're plain old wrong. I've already PROVEN it once with FEMA. Shall we go for round 2?
Ah come on... Are you stupid or what? Can't you recognize a parody...
But his talks actually does revolve around 'Evil Communism'; You know the system that was overcomed and seald as thing of history when USSR prooved it's unsustainable and unpractical...
He doesn't know shit about economic... Look just his blabber about taxes... Even someone from a foreign country, like me, knows more...
"The worst act of terrorism in the US; And the ONLY except 9/11 were comitted by US citizens; In most cases not fresh immigrants, but deep rooted Americans..."
What does this have to do with anything? What's to stop homegrown American terrorists from obtaining banned materials via the border? What is your point? How does this debunk my assertion that border security is essential for ensuring that nothing unobtainable in the US becomes obtainable?
"What's to stop homegrown American terrorists from obtaining banned materials via the border?"
Why would he/she bother at all? He can buy it all at the shop across the street... A military grade assault weapon; pocket full of shells(and mags); A shopping mall or a school... Here you go...
OFFENSIV(Repeat it again; OFFENSIVE) weaponry is accesible to US civilians... What more you need?
A polish anty tank gun; Only a gun-nuts enthusiast, a redneck or a terrorist will buy one....
"Why would he/she bother at all? He can buy it all at the shop across the street"
You can buy makeshift WMDs from storefronts?
What does this have to do with having a secure border? How can you protect the billions of tax dollars when there are people taking advantage of the system without paying into it?
Does China protect its borders? Malaysia? Japan? South Korea? Israel?
It has; You're afraid of illegal immigrants and weapons from Romania... 99% of acts of terrorism on US soil was commited by US citizens who claimed themselves American and 'patriotis', by material(Mostly offensive infantry weapon; but explosives also) acquired in the US...
How is this an argument for ignoring what happens at the border? You're using acts of violence as an argument for NOT protecting the border? Using that same logic, all regulations should go. How does that make any sense?
You're just anti-American, I'd say. You haven't made a coherent argument yet.
"How does this debunk my assertion that border security is essential for ensuring that nothing unobtainable in the US becomes obtainable?
Can you focus, please?"
Could YOU focus; With 10K dollars you can LEGALLY obtain a long range military sniper that geneve convention permits to be used dirctly on enemy personnel... Weapon built for blowing a hole in 2 inch tick steel plates from medium ranges...
No, no, no... we stick to the #1 issue, being the border.
What does having the ability to buy a rifle have to do with dusting your hands of regulations / inspections / laws at the border? Why not secure the LEGAL flow of humans, goods, services, etc?
What is wrong with having LEGAL, OPEN borders? Anyone can enter America. It is STAYING ILLEGALLY that is the issue. What is your problem with stopping people from sneaking across in the dark? They are obviously up to no good.
OK; Border is the topic... But I'm just pointing out everything you're afraid of even if happens is caused by an US citizen and gear from the US...
"What is your problem with stopping people from sneaking across in the dark? They are obviously up to no good."
I have no problem with that... But searching and IDing people on streets... Segregation on racial basis never turned out good... You know in Germany it all started just by you showing someone your Ausweiss...
Ah; Wait; Do you actually know that there are lost(yes, LOST) nuclear weapons... USSR is holding the record followed just by the US... Almost a time... And I'm not sure Iranians lost any A Bomb; i'm not quite sure they have one at all.... i assume they do... But US should thought about that beffore selling them shitload of weapons...
Ending border security? Who said that? European Union has border security...
Yet no predator drones and walls on their borders...
My point is it's more likelly someone will dugg up an atomic bomb from a swamp(Which is not really likely to happen, except hypothetically ofcourse) than smuggling it from Iran or NK who probably ain't gote one...
The second wasn't about border security... But a threat of Iran terrorism and all... There's no actual foreign threat to US...
"Biological weaponry isn't really called 'biological material'"
Are you on crack, or just an idiot? When I'm referring to "biological material" OBVIOUSLY I'm referring to SPECIFIC biological material that is weaponized / can be weaponized / can be used to create weaponized biological agents.
What the fuck was the point of that comment? Absolutely pathetic. Can't believe you're wasting my time with shit like that. Specific BIOLOGICAL MATERIAL is controlled.
Sure; biological material is 'deffended strongly'... But Sarine warehouses ain't... cause DANGER IS NONE... Terrorist could acquire enough cesium for a dirty bomb by scavanging dumbsters behind city hospitals; Yet they didn't; Why; Well cause there is no terrorists... again; You don't have a clue what terrorism is... You saw them in dull Hollywood movies only...
"It's settled then... you really are just an idiot.
Right over your head. Wow."
Really?
Define an idiot...
I would say an idiot is someone who actually believes Gnlen Beck for instance... If we assume Glen Beck is mentally sane; well then not even he believes the shitstorm...
You tell me not to change the topic (despite the fact that I spoke about nothing but border security in a border security debate) and then bring up Glenn Beck.
Since you changed the subject (hypocrite), let's go there too. List Glenn Beck's core arguments, and how he is lying. Tell me what he "believes". Give me 10 examples.
"What? You think Mexicans are coming for your stacked Cold War arsenal?"
"European union has it's borders open... Yet you doin't see people from Romania stealing German chemical weapons."
I'm talking about keeping things OUT, not from being stolen. How can you not understand this? Again: What is the point of controlling substances / equipment internally if you allow it to flow IN from OUTSIDE? Missiles, mass quantities of ANFO, things that send up red flags at purchase?
Give some arguments man; Do NOT try to divert the story; Do not diverge from topic...
You gave enough WMD's to unstable ountries like Saudi Arabia you claim your allies... So; IF in any case a WMD terrorist attack happens on US soil it won't be from a weapon stolen by an 'evil illegal alien', but 99% something from your 'good and stable' ally friend from the Middle East... Like the most pilots from 9/11 were... And they were legally in the US...
The Obama Administration called Arizona's immigration law "racist" and "unconstitutional", organized boycotts, and got most of South and Central America to band together in protest. But look at Mexico's law:
watch?v=jBOuHOXo1Vk
They also slapped them with a lawsuit. The angle used in the lawsuit is that immigration enforcement is federal, not state jurisdiction... yet they continue to allow "sanctuary cities" to operate, despite being in the exact same violation.
You'll accept that the Bush admin orchestrated 9/11 in order to set up the framework for a New World Order, yet you defend Clinton and Obama? Really? Both are proponents for a NWO. One fought in court for Cloward & Piven legislation, the other signed it into law, leading to voter fraud and the housing and banking collapses... all so the Fed could bail them out with taxpayer money.
Bush's rule wouldn't be possible without Clinton, and Obama's wouldn't be possible without Bush.
But more like to send more college kids into the fire in order for the more and more hungry military industry to be fed; the IFV assembly lines to keep on rolling; More production; more ammo; The fatherland is at war!
And i do not defend Obama and especially not Clinton...
As I've said; the US politics; especially the foreign politics; didn't change in past 40 decades... So it's really not much different which one and who is the president as presidency is just an another charade in big style...
And by the 'NWO'; What you consider it to represent or be? i mean many people take distracting Alex Jones gibberish talk about the 'NWO' as the valid definition...
The NWO? A merging of the private and public sectors, carried out by elites in both arenas via social and financial engineering. Simultaneous destruction and redistribution of wealth, with the end goal of forming global governance and a global banking system.
Not quite communism... more state capitalism, as already admitted by George Soros, Maurice Strong, and other people at the top. Definitely not democracy, or a republic.
Pretty near what i consider it to be; Yes; Ofcourse...
I'm actually glad you didn't start with the AJ crap...
Republic; Well it's more the formal arrangement of state(don't know how really to call it) than a overall socio-political state and order as democracy for instance is... but yeah; i get your point...
Although i do not think the public and private sectors are merged; it's more like a public sector is privatized...
just cuz obama dies im thumbing up
BraceForSilence 2 weeks ago
gonna rally the thumb down macro armies.
jalalaumad 5 months ago
Fucking excellent sir!
slantyrock 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I love this. Well done.
gfreakj 9 months ago
Did i say brain 'ways'?
Don't mind it; it's a phonetical lapsus so to speak....
XD
And for today...
P.S. You could give me some technical stuff from the video...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
About the motion tracking; The info if you could....
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
What restricted access to miliary and government installations has to do with anything?
Immigration should be enforced; ofcourse...
Enforced... Not overenforced...
'Open borders' are enforced also...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"What restricted access to miliary and government installations has to do with anything?"
So you're fine with securing federal property, but not the country as a whole? Border security is 50% financial. Checks & balances. Information. Regulation. TAXATION to run all these liberal social programs that are running the country into the ground.
People running across the desert at night are criminals. Literally. And they aren't accounted for, or paying into the system.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
"TAXATION to run all these liberal social programs that are running the country into the ground."
Actually; i think the funding of dictators all around the world; The maintaining of the global empire and feeding the army consuming as twice as all other 210ish world countries put together is what's running your country into the ground...
It sure ran all the other empires in history into the ground eventually... the ones who survived changed...
Leave the colonies; save yourself...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
Off topic; Did you make the intro in AE? If so is 2.5D tracking the default one?
Thanks in advance...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
If someone like you were a president he would probably invade a country for oil and kill 1 milion people; Ah wait...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"If someone like you were a president he would probably invade a country for oil and kill 1 milion people; Ah wait..."
I thought we were staying on topic... are we, or are we not? And in any case, what does this have to do with the border? on top of that, I AGREE ABOUT BUSH. But it goes so, so far beyond Bush!
What the fuck is your point, exactly?
N37BU6 1 year ago
Your arguments are just apsurd...
And IF you REALLY belkieve in them as valid; Well then you're dangerously paranoid atleast...
P.S. I advise you to close all the schools too... I mean all those massacres happened... You can't risk the life of your children for the future of your children...
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just using the fear-logic...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
Undefended / unregulated borders lead to this:
Can't get something in America? Leave, then come back with it... or just smuggle it in as you illegally "immigrate" (infiltrate).
Do you see how stupid you are being? If you are going to control what you put on the market, you need to defend yourself from other markets that aren't restricted. It's COMMON SENSE. Something you appear to be lacking.
Try to buy half a ton of fertilizer in America. See what happens.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Half a ton of fertilizers? Sure you can't I guess...
But so you can buy/make a shitload of explosives and blow up a federal building with some 200ish people in it...
Yep; Regulations...
People having ammo storages in their basements; Yep the 'regulations'...
Don't make me laugh....
2nd amandmen applying on anti-tank destroyers and portable howitzers is your 'common sense'...
I guess i lack it then...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Half a ton of fertilizers? Sure you can't I guess... but so you can buy/make a shitload of explosives and blow up a federal building with some 200ish people in it"
A bomb that was made with fertilizer and diesel fuel.
You obviously don't know much about the history of regulation, or understand the difference between pre and post 9/11 America. Do you know what DHS is? Do you know how many agencies there are? New powers / regs?
How can you possibly compare 1995 to 2011?
N37BU6 1 year ago
You can make a bomb out of gasoline and styrofoam...
A child can make it...
You can make a bomb with shitload of ammo you hold in your basement...
Just an explosive from a box of 12gauge shells can make pretty nasty little bomb...
And why a bomb? You don't need it at all... A Barrett 107(legally pursached in a gun shop by a civilian) + Church tower = Massacre... It happened few times here and ther; Just no one had a barrett 107 yet...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
You're making anti-gun arguments. Why? Making guns illegal doesn't stop criminals. It just disarms the rest of the population. And it makes even less sense when you're arguing against border security!
Let me get this straight: You don't want anyone to have the ability to legally buy guns, yet don't mind if they flood across the border illegally? How does that make sense?
Are you for gun control or not?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
"You're making anti-gun arguments. Why? Making guns illegal doesn't stop criminals"
No it doesn't... But it minimizes the possibility of them getting the weaponry... And i9t almost elkiminates a possibility of a non-criminal nutbag getting the gear... That's how happened Germany or Serbia for instance have incomparably smaller gun-death rates... It disarms NO ONE; A handgun for home protection is JUST ENOUGH... Your M107 is useless and M16 more likelly to kill your kid in a bed...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
I am for reasonable gun control...
I personally like guns...
Firing a military weapon in controlled conditions, on a range for instance, is one thing and having one on your bed-stand an another...
Shotguns also seem reasonable for home-protection as they minimize the possibility of ricochetting... But not something like A-12(Also available to civilians in US)...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
The 'agencies'; Sure they stopped the terrorist from killing 6 people including a child recently...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
So now you're using one man with a handgun as an example? Every time I refresh the page you have injected a new argument into the mix, and abandoned the previous one.
How can you compare one man with a handgun to stopping an Iranian or North Korean dirty bomb, or people on NO ENTRY lists from getting into the country?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
i only MENATIONED latest example of terrorism on US soil...
man with a handgun? Man with a handgun; Dedication to GB and alike batshit insane talk; Ah - Did I forgot to say EXTENDED MAGS... Why would anyone need an extended mag? Ain't some 15ish 9mm bullets just enough to disable an evil mexican/black intruder? I guess it is... Right... So; EXTENDED MAG? But i will admit it's unusual; i mean no offensive military grade weapon was used...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Dedication to GB and alike batshit insane talk"
The fact that you're still spewing leftist media propaganda that has thoroughly been debunked to the point that the MSM is in the "let's move on" phase they always go into when the facts come out saddens me. You're not even up to speed with your own propaganda.
He didn't listen to radio. He hated the news. He had been stalking her long before Beck or Palin were in the spotlight, or even knew who she was.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
She was also pro-border security. Extremely so. If he was a Beck fan, why shoot her? And why kill the Republican judge?
He was clearly insane, and expressed frustration over rejection from women. He started out by helping her, but in 2007 developed a hatred for her. It's a classic stalker case. His friends said he was either "liberal" or "independent" (a registered one) and hateful, scary, and disturbed. He didn't listen to the radio or watch TV.
He rambled nonsense.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
ROFL; "and expressed frustration over rejection from women"
A little bit of Freud in an alternative way ;-)
Well we both agree he was insane...
A sane person would never harm a random person under normal circumstances(You know; ordinary life; Not a war or so)... Well depending on what you take 'sanity' to be...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
So why are you connecting him to Glenn Beck? Are you withdrawing that accusation, or do we need to keep going? I'm just looking out for you, here... giving you 100% accurate information.
Just understand: When you say he had "dedication to GB", you are discrediting yourself. Just like when you stated the exact OPPOSITE of reality with the FEMA Camp accusation.
You have to know what you're slinging around or you'll end up destroying your own credibility. Be careful.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
I used Glen Beck as a mark for alike... i could say O'Reilley... I could mention someone of those people bringing their armallites on protests or putting crosshairs with people's name on it... So... I could... It's all one group of fear-hate mongerers... Dedication to GB; I've meant a show of that type(Yes; I guess including the show also)... So... Yeah... Sorry and i sometimes mix Alex Jones and GB; Even the difference is AJ is not THAT of an idiot, but clearly is batshit insane...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
"Dedication to GB"
You're discrediting yourself, here... why? Why risk it by saying things you have no proof of?
He was a pothead, had a long history of mental issues, had been kicked out of college for outbursts, scared his fellow students, talked about blowing up babies (Beck doesn't even support abortion), using marijuana (and himself) as a currency, ranted about grammar, burned the flag, misinterpreted the constitution, and said completely illogical things.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Potheads are peaceful... Crackheads are violent... (Different substances induce different states)
He was a pothead... "Beck doesn't even support abortion" ofcourse he doesn't; he's an Evangelical nutbag... it's not that people knew much about biology when writing the Bible...
So interpretation matter... Like the interpretation and context of 2nd amandmen matters... Right?
Yes; I know about the grammar and all; Apparently he wasn't sane....
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Potheads are peaceful"
What an idiotic thing to say. Now everyone who smokes weed (including practically every inner-city gang member and drug dealer) is peaceful?
You can apply generalizations to groups, but not to individuals. It breaks down. Once you are talking about a specific individual, you can't use that argument.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6 Potheads are peaceful"
What an idio..."
PLEASE READ THE BRACKETS; My point was he didn't kill cause of the drug he used... Cause that particular drug does NOT induce violent behaviour... Being peaceful is an individual characteristic... THE BRACKED explaiuned my point... Cause i know the story about how pothead made him shoot up people...
PLEASE; DON'T TWIST MY WORDS.
It was a sarcastic intro line to your 'he was a pothead' implying 'that mus've been the reason he killed people'
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"not that people knew much about biology when writing the Bible"
Oh, do tell! Let's hear about biology! Are you saying we're only human once outside of the womb? Is that your idea of "biology"? I really want to hear this.
Do you want to watch some mid / late term and partial birth abortion videos with me? I can send you links, and we can discuss it there while watching the skulls cracked open and limbs cut off. You even see the spinal cord being snapped.
Bring some popcorn!
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Biology; Well a bundle of stem(not yet determined) cells sure ain't a human... Human can think... A bundle of cells can't... An initial tissue can't... Maybe after the first brain ways are measurable it's to be regarded as human... And no abortion can be legally performed at that point...
That's my 'idea' of biology suported by scientific fact(Modern science; one of the things the authors of Bible didn't have back then)...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader You really are THAT dumb! I thought there was NO WAY anyone could be THAT misinformed. "Maybe after the first brain ways are measurable it's to be regarded as human... And no abortion can be legally performed at that point..."
I think you've been reading some nutty pro-abortion stuff. My last son was born with CCAM. We had the option of fetal surgery. We saw videos of prior surgeries, during which babies brain waves measured as early as 14 weeks. US Abortions legal till 40 wks.
PlaymateMama 1 year ago
@PlaymateMama
Sorry? I don't read 'pro-abortion' nor 'anti-abortion' stuff...
All I'm interested in is scietific stuff... Science supports no stand... It's your personal choice...
And as YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE it's not on me to forbid it...
And I'm pretty sure 90% of the right is against abortion not of a 9months old child(I'm not sure it's legal to abort at 40weeks), but against abortion of a bundle of 100 cells...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@PlaymateMama
I won't go further to the 30ish percentage of those who think even condom is a murder...
So... Being a father of a whole kindergarden at the year of 21 doesn't sound appealing to me...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
Well, if his biggest arguments were nonsensical abstractions that have NOTHING to do with Beck or the Tea Party, or even conservatism / libertarianism, why do you say he had "dedication to GB"?
You NEVER answer my questions. Can you please answer this one? Why did you say it, and do you still stand by it?
N37BU6 1 year ago
Ah; The Tea party. Don't go there please... it might cause my abdomen muscles to hurt(from laughing)...
You don't want to cause me pain, right?
He talked about ASSASINATION; And then killed a Democratic congresswomen; As many called their people to do so(kill liberals/democrats; grab their guns; Reload; Water certain trees and so on...
Yeah; i WONDER WHAT'S THE CONNECTION...
I really wonder where the very idea of the act comes from?
He must have listened to marlyn Manson! *SARCASM NOTE*
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader My goodness, can you be any less informed? I must have missed that part where we were called to kill.
Wow, the "very idea of the act" was learned from the Right? Did he tell you that? Damn, I missed that, too.
PlaymateMama 1 year ago
@PlaymateMama
Well putting a crosshair is pretty a straight forward message you know...
For instance... it can only get more direct when you say 'Don't kill all the Jews; leave a few to remember the world how vile they were" Ah sorry; that's what Hitler said... I've meant to quote ""I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus so we we'll never forget what these people stood for."
You probably missed it...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@PlaymateMama
And that was just a little smple of common rightist rethorics. That is eithert a call for murder; OR maybe all rightists love Shakespear like that hosewife who said 'refudiate' does so their words either don't exist or even if they say kill it's a metaphor for some opposite kind word...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@PlaymateMama
I don't know... Maybe saying to an average rightist voter(Someone who maybe finished highschool) to 'reload' or 'take his/hers gun(s)' has some deep allegoric meaning...
Maybe calling on the killing of abortion doctors is also a metaphor...
I really don't know...
But it sure wasn't for people who actually took the 'matter in their own hands'(as the right calls it) and blew up a federal building, killed doctors, children or comitted other acts of terrorism...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
" Iranian or North Korean dirty bomb"
yet again; Remember these words; IF ANYTHING involving a dirty bomb EVER happens; Well THE BOMB will be from an 'ally' country OR something like cesium from a local US hospital...
Yet nothing like that happened... Guessing why... IT WON'T HAPPEN...
But history of massacres with military grade weaponry is quite long and bloody...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Remember these words; IF ANYTHING involving a dirty bomb EVER happens; Well THE BOMB will be from an 'ally' country"
How is that an argument for not securing the border?
"OR something like cesium from a local US hospital"
So the next logical step would be to ignore the border because "it will probably come from American sources"?
Your answer is less security?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
"How is that an argument for not securing the border?"
Cause it won't be checked... U don't check nor count the money from your old and very good friend.... If he tells you to beat up a random guy on the streets you might as well do that too...
So...
"Your answer is less security?"
No... my answer is less paranoia...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Cause it won't be checked... U don't check nor count the money from your old and very good friend...."
WOW, you are naive. Every country has operatives in every other country. Do you think spies are cold war era relics or something? And you're sweeping aside countless examples of UN, US, UK, China, Russia, Israel, Iran relations / espionage / spying.
Allies most certainly inspect one another, fool.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Yeah; Spies are so pro thing out-there... Like the Russian ones with facebook page and hangover pics there...
That's Russia =)
I guess allies inspect each others; they inspect each-other so well as WMDs in Iraq were 'inspected'...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
Bottom line: Should immigration be enforced, or not? Should people be allowed to flood into the country by the millions, use medicare, medicaid, education, infrastructure, welfare, and now Fedicare, without paying into the system?
You talked about terrorists being able to get onto planes... how does not having a clue who is in your country help to prevent that?
Are you against access control in Federal buildings / military installations? Key cards?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Your arguments are just apsurd..."
Saying goods coming across the border need to be inspected is absurd?
"IF you REALLY belkieve in them as valid; Well then you're dangerously paranoid atleast"
You cite terrorist attacks, and then say it's "dangerously paranoid" to be concerned over illegal border activity. Which is it? Will you choose an argument?
Do you , or do you not think the flow goods and services (domestic policy) should be upheld at the borders?
N37BU6 1 year ago
"And ofcourse they are only locked at night"
What does that have to do with anything? I really don't see your point... are you saying the border should only be defended at night?
So I can walk into your house and take full advantage of your utilities and food, without paying or asking for anything, without you having a problem? Because that's what's happening to America.
If you compare the American border to the Berlin wall, it doesn't say much for your grasp of history.
N37BU6 1 year ago
Don't entirely understand the politics but the visuals are fantastic
buskerbuoy 1 year ago
What a week for hateful rhetoric! First we heard Obama intentionally evoke racial imagery with his “sit in the back” of the bus comment. The self-proclaimed “post-racial” president is really the most racial president...and certainly our most divisive ever. Now we hear Obama telling supporters to "punish our enemies." Seriously! Obama's not talking about Al-Qaeda or the Taliban -- Obama is telling supporters to “punish” fellow Americans on the other side of a political aisle! Obama is despicable.
joekiddone 1 year ago
@joekiddone
My favorite part was when he deflected criticism of his own racism by pointing out his grandmother was supposedly racist too, and did it in a racist way:
"She is a typical white person"
He and his wife have caused racial tensions from the beginning... it was part of the plan. We weren't initiating it, so they had to. It was vital to get that ball rolling during the campaign, which they both did, along with Oprah Winfrey. It was their ace in the hole.
He's a pathetic little man.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6 Indeed. I laughed when I saw "typical white person" loaded in this video.
Thanks for a great video and channel!
joekiddone 1 year ago
P.S. Somewhat the closest to ACTUAL communism was wen Obama saved the Private Corporations from crashing by giving them piles of cash; Why he did that/ Well; When you are owned by the INCs you really don't have a chance...
Both parties of the US are more like Corporatist War parties than anything else...
I mean if you can't figure out that your schoolkids are dying on the other side on the world since Vietnam atleast to feed the greedy CEOs then I can't help you; No one can; Not even God...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
Actually, that would be fascism.
N37BU6 1 year ago
AH; Just one more point; TZAR is Russian ROYAL rank; Tzar=Highest degree of a Monarch; equivalent to Emperor...
Therefore communist symbols and Monarchism, from the OBVIOUS(To at least half-educated people) reasons, are contradictory...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
AH, just one more point:
Nobody in this video is called a tzar. it represents the name of a fictional company developing a fictional game.
One again, semantics.
I can't believe I'm having this discussion.
N37BU6 1 year ago
When I recorded the gameplay for tracking, it was sheer luck that the driver said "Fucking weak!" when he got ran over.
That's what you call an omen.
N37BU6 1 year ago
Hahaha I lol'd at the pic of Barney Frank
Chimichanga12594 1 year ago
@Chimichanga12594
Lol, I had to widen the character quite a bit to make it look right too.
N37BU6 1 year ago
That was quality! MORE MORE!!!
therhythmicmenace 1 year ago
Thumbs UP for GB and Miss-Wassila Creek!
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
Why is it 'rockTsar"?
Tsar is 'Emperor' in translation and I'm pretty sure the Bolshevik Communist killed the whole royal family... Yep, they pretty much did...
And I don't get the 'Communist' thing at all(Probably cause I know pretty good what Communism actually is LOL!)
Having a 'Muslim-like' name and being 'Muslim-Jew Illegal Alien' seemed just not enough redneck mind-appealing paranoid...
0:48 Glen Beck on rape: "Well guess what I'm doing to my inbred fans"
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
Its the same thing in the UK, for some reason the Neo Com Western leaders decided to take this title on. We have Drug Tzars, Children Tzars, I dunno why, probably trying tell us that theses neo Tzars are royalty that we should bow down to while we have to live like proletariat peasants
therhythmicmenace 1 year ago
@therhythmicmenace
Proletariat peasants? I think they classified them as 'workers'...
But nevermind...
And a Tzar is always in full control... I don't see Obama is in any(It appears he only has left rethorics to be relatively free)... I mean the wars in iraq and Afghanistan are still on as the Corporate-controlled(lobbied, bribed, whatever) Congress voted... He had to negotiate with BP instead of smashing the hand on the table and saying, gentlemen you're fucked and you gonna pay triple!
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@therhythmicmenace
That's how neo-Tzars do...
Just look Putin...
Before him Russia was in decay ruled by mafia...
Someone needs to do some settling in US too in order to bring back Presidency to life... By definition a president isn't supposed to be a sock with sewn-on eyes on anyone's hand; only the hand of the people....
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
You don't think Obama is acting like a petulant emperor?
You don't get the communist thing? Obama and Jarrett appointed Van Jones, a communist. He's the founder of STORM. I'll put a link to the STORM summation in the video description for you if you want to read it.
The rest of your comment was just typical leftist BS. One day, people will figure out that red = color and neck = skin and it will become a racist term. Until then, have fun with it I guess...
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Nope; i don't 'get' the 'communism thing' cause I DO have quite solid knowledge from spheres of sociology, history and so politics... Someone with elementary school and two books read in life probably 'gets it' the way you propagate it...
Leftist BS? LOL! My FINAL point was Obama is not change from the past; US is still a Corporatist EMPIRE rushing to became the first institution of Corporate Fascist rule; Country where wars are ordered by the CEOs...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
As always, the elites are using the petty socialists, communists, and even anarchists to cause social strife in order to bring in good, old fashioned fascism.
Van Jones is one of those peons being used. He is a communist.
You think way too highly of yourself, and keep making that single, narrow attack on semantics... on a satirical video that doesn't label a single person a tsar. You really think I don't understand what's going on because of one word in one video?
N37BU6 1 year ago
Nope; redneck will NEVER become a racist term... Cause a redneck is Caucasian by so called 'race'... The term 'race' is silly itself cause difference between different 'races' isn't even speciation; there are no any big nor relevant differences and what's more important there's NO difference in cognitive abilities... So... nah... Rednecks will never became a 'race' as they never became anything and stayed the undereducated racist and hateful social reject... Ah wait; They may become OBSOLETE.
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"redneck will NEVER become a racist term... Cause a redneck is Caucasian"
It's not racist, simply because they are Caucasian? Even though it's applied to them specifically because they are class of Caucasian?
Sounds pretty racist to me.
Why isn't "nigger" not racist because it is applied to blacks? It's the exact same logic.
You're citing social double standards as a defense, here. It doesn't get any weaker than that.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[The term 'race' is silly itself cause difference between different 'races' isn't even speciation]
Of course it isn't speciation... that's why it isn't defined as such. That's why it's "race", not "species".
What, exactly, is your point? You're mixing the terms yourself in order to create your own argument. Admit it: you just wanted to say "speciation", didn't you?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
Let's analyze that even more:
[The term 'race' is silly itself cause difference between different 'races']
How can the term "race" be silly when you yourself, in that very sentence, justified its existence by admitting there are differences? That's why it exists, genius.
Is your problem simply the word itself? Do you not like the way it sounds? What's your point, here?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[there are no any big nor relevant differences]
Who is defining relevance, here? You?
You're telling me I can put 5 black people and 5 white people in a group, tell you there were 2 lineal descendant families of 5 before you, and you wouldn't be able to guess which was which?
To say there's no need to classify "black" and "white" as "different" is a pathetic argument. "Different" does not imply a difference in worth... it simply acknowledges reality.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[Rednecks will never became a 'race' as they never became anything and stayed the undereducated racist and hateful social reject]
There's so much here.
1) I never said rednecks would become a race, you idiot. I said the term "redneck" would become a racist term for a specific class of whites... just as "nigger" is a racist term for a specific class of blacks.
Get with the program.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[Rednecks will never became a 'race' as they never became anything and stayed the undereducated racist and hateful social reject]
2) So if "rednecks" had "become something" (waiting for definition), attained education (such as being mechanical geniuses?), and become socially mainstream, they would have become a race?
That's what you're saying... those were your reasons for why they aren't a race.
Doesn't say much for your intelligence.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[undereducated racist and hateful social reject]
I'm going to try something here. Let's see if it works:
Are there any undereducated inner-city kids? How about black or Latino ones?
Are there any racist inner-city gangs? How about black or Latino ones?
Are there any inner-city hate crimes? How about anti-gay / white ones?
Are there any inner-city social rejects? Are rapes, murders, gang wars, theft, prostitution, drug dealing, abduction, extortion etc socially acceptable?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
I've said; A redneck is a CAUCASIAN by a 'race'...
Latinos; well they are LATINOS; Not Caucasian...
My logic was QUITE WELL SPECIFIED AND DEFINED...
I mean there's probably equivalent term as redneck for Latinos as there's the term 'boondock' for the blacks with 'suburbia man' mentality(Not sure you have the term; but we do...)...
Inner-city failures; Ofcourse...
And considering I take a term 'redneck' more as a mentality; The location(urbanization) really DOES NOT matter...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[The term 'race' is silly itself]
[there are no any big nor relevant differences]
[redneck will NEVER become a racist term... Cause a redneck is Caucasian]
Let me know when you make up your mind.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Racism is related to skin pigmentation...
The term of racism is REAL...
'Races' aren't...
You can't twist my words around; Try that with someone else...
As i've mentioned the level of differences is not even to be called 'speciation' so for sure it isn't a 'race'... Racists are those who believe 'races' actually exist...
Therefore the term 'racist' is completely valid for overall designation of undereducated or miss-educated people who still stand to the concept of 'human races'...
XD
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
It's fun to watch you squirm.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
You can't really keep up with me...
Your door-to-door seller basic deceiver/word-mengler tricks won't really trick me into saying something I did not or would ever...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[You can't really keep up with me]
Watch me.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
I'm watching you...
But i'm quite convinced you can't...
Cause if you think you're fighting for the middle class while actually being a tool of these people watch?v=2Jy1KoHdTCA and people above them(1-3% of US citizens; the 'blue-blooded' ones; Dukes of the corporate fascism) I'm not really convinced you can stand against me...
No offense...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
I mean HOW someone who thinks Obama's a Jewish Muslim Communist illegal Alien(About everything that his racist mind resents) can match me in any positive/desired way?
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
You really are clueless.
The birther movement was started by democrats; the Clinton campaign, as well as Philip J Berg, who happens to be a member of the NAACP. Since then, it has been fanned by Obama himself, in many speeches. Why? Because it serves as an excellent diversion from his policy... one that discredits people who follow it. In short, it manipulates both sides.
Do you want poll data? The fact is, most "birthers" aren't Republicans... did you know that?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
i'm not talking about birther movement; Although they are nutjobs too...
I'm talking about 30 percent of US; 60percent of Texas and NN percent of the GOP body who thinks pretty much what i've said in a slightly sarcastic tone...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Now don't say that fine gentlemen of Texas are mainly highly educated progressives who somehow believe all this shit plus a bunch of other silly crap(related and non-related to politics)...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
most of the poorly educated racist anti-Obama chaps are WHITE...
And the main problem they are anti-Obama appears that he's; you guess; BLACK...
Therefore I was regarding the issue globally; generally(yea, I know it's too rough and exclusionary way of spectating the matter but there's not a lot of Michael Steeles outthere)...
So; Yeah...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[most of the poorly educated racist anti-Obama chaps are WHITE]
What about the poorly educated, racist, pro-Obama people?
[And the main problem they are anti-Obama appears that he's; you guess; BLACK]
Incorrect. I'll run with that logic for now though, and turn it on you:
Why did 97% of blacks oppose a white candidate? Why did 97% of blacks support a black one? Compare that percentage to white support / opposition, then defend your stance without contradicting yourself.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[the main problem they are anti-Obama appears that he's; you guess; BLACK]
So they aren't opposing George Soros, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Bill Clinton, Maurice Strong, Andy Stern, Ben Bernanke, Janet Napolitano, Richard Cloward, Frances Piven, Al Gore, Robert Creamer, Anita Dunn, Cass Sunstein, John Holdren, Wade Rathke, Dale Rathke, William Ayers, and all the rest?
They also didn't support Colin Powell, Condaleeza Rice, and Justice Roberts?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6 Yes they ARE opposing; Of which many opposing are very justified and are actually pretty valid... But of course the fact remains the both parties are terribly corrupt and actually nothing really changes on any election in past 40 years...
BUT; The opposition wasn't merelly as hard before the scary 'nigger' came to 'take your guns, daughters and grandmothers'...
THAT'S THE POINT OF EVERYTHING...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
I mean don't try to deny it...
We both know what's THE issue whether you want publicly to admit it or not...
And what about the multiple rise in the neo-Confederate militia formations all over the state...
Ah; It can't be...
No...
Not cause the president(nothing better nor worse than the past one; just a bit more educated and smoother; but a puppet is a puppet) black; It can't be....
Not in America... Ah... Wait.... Ah...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[We both know what's THE issue]
Not The Fed taking 1/3rd of the economy? Extending the Patriot Act and removing the sunset clauses? Trying to tap and track cell phones and read emails without warrant? Taxes? Keeping the borders undefended? Tripling the deficit, bailing out corrupt globalized unions, and passing massive legislation before it's read?
There's a reason why they chose a black guy to make the final push: to fool idiots like you into believing it's racially driven.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Patriot act expanded; indeed...
Well how you expect the future Corporate Fascism to work if they can't put you in a secret jail?
Silly you...
Taxes; Well taxes for the middle class actually DROPPED; the inflation has raised and THAT might be confusing you...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
"Keeping the borders...?"
Well; Racist segregation and 'Achtung latino' signs is not America; it's what YOU people wish it to become...
Still borders can't be LESS protected like when that man read a kid story and planes started falling from the skies... I mean we've all seen the show; But there's not need to deffend on places no thread is present...
What they will protect with ALL MEANS NECESSARY is The Wall street and the HQ's of the CEO's... They DO protect it by sending kids in deserts.
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[Racist segregation and 'Achtung latino' signs is not America; it's what YOU people wish it to become.]
You're completely discredited now. You're the one defending illegal immigration, which (as supported, by design) is crippling medicare, medicaid, and now even the voting system. It hurts legal immigrants, who are more than welcome.
Only an IDIOT would call defending the border racist.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
DUDE... Discredited?
You're building a DAMN WALL there...
The only walls comparable are the Gaza Wall, ofcourse; The walls nazis had in several places(inter-country borders) and not to forget the DDR wall; the symbol of Iron Curtain...
illegal immigration built America; you're noyt an old continent country... YOU ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS; So don't be hypocritical...
Not we here in Europe build the walls and legitimate people on the streets(Well apparently the nazis did; but not anymore)...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
Last time when we were defending our borders from kind 'freedom fighters(people who illegally immigrated and we let them stay; gave them all rights; also citizenship)' who started by killing children on playgrounds; torturing and mutilating men and women and leaving them on the streets; we got labeled to be the worst nazis since WWII; attacked so that fine terrorist, sorry, freedom fighting gentlemen can torch our homes and churches and yet we did NOT start building a wall...
Nor we EVER will!
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
in all those clips; is there also a clip about severed-off heads by the Mexico border?
I just loved the inpactive fear factor of that lie!
P.S. Do you read my replies at all? You don't know what a tread is, believe me...
5 planes that the NORAD let proceed to their targets and shot one heading for the White House or maybe a HQ of some massive corporation is not a thread; It's called 'Reichstagg Fire'...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
[5 planes that the NORAD let proceed to their targets and shot one heading for the White House or maybe a HQ of some massive corporation is not a thread; It's called 'Reichstagg Fire']
This is the only sensible thing you've said.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Fourth Mexico mayor killed in under six weeks" -LA Times
"Mexico sees 69 murders in one day. Face of one victim was peeled from his skull and sewn onto a soccer ball" -MSNBC
"Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack" -MSNBC
"Signs in Arizona warn of smuggler dangers. Drivers advised to travel north" -Washington Times
"Smugglers Threaten Police in Arizona Border City" -CBS
"$1 Million Bounty for Arizona Sheriff’s Murder" -Fox
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
"Fourth Mexico mayor killed in under six weeks" -LA Times"
And?
I mean 10,000 people per year in US get killed by firearms ONLY...
How about if the news were that a US police car was blown-up by a terrorist RPG or IED on the road from Washington to NY for the 5th time this month?
That would be a REAL thread to national security...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
You think open borders aren't a threat... as a result, I really don't have to argue with you. Your own stupidity is doing the job nicely.
The loss in tax revenue alone is horrendous. Look up any poll you want. The drain on the system is massive, never mind crime.
Do you have walls on your house? A door?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Nope... Open borders aren't a threat... 'Berlin' walls and Stasi-alike troopers prooved too many times in history to be much more gloomy than just 'good-intentied' effort of 'keeping the borders safe'...
"Your own stupidity is doing the job nicely."
Well... Say again... How many mailmen or neighbors you shot?
"The loss in tax... The drain on the system is massive, never mind crime."
Crime? Which one? War in Afghanistan and Iraq? Well it sure is taking it's toll...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Open borders aren't a threat"
Unsecured ones are... as in wide-open. The financial drain alone proves that.
How many illegals are there in America? How much taxes do they pay? How much of the system do they take advantage of?
Immigration is simple: Come through the front door, sign up, do the paperwork, get a job, pay taxes. And that doesn't happen with an undefended border.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
I bet the ones who lifed the berlin Wall talked about the same...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
"Do you have walls on your house? A door?"
Sure I do. Summers are too hot and winters pretty cold aren't they... I mean that's why people started finding and soon after building shelter during neolith in the first place...
Yep; And the doors; Well they aren't made of panzer plating and don't have locks tick as train-track rails... just ordinary, nice wooden doors... And ofcourse they are only locked at night... In Serbia we don't have such level of fear injected into the community.
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
When you're a slave to your own paranoia and victim of fear hysteria atmosphere nothing will ever help you; No battleship-alike breach doors, no segregationist walls, no watchtowers and no dedicated military .50 cal assault rifle held under your bed will ever make you feel safe enough... Cause the intruder, the terrorist, whoever you're afraid of, is in your mind...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"When you're a slave to your own paranoia"
The fact that illegal immigrants are draining tax revenue (and stealing from legal immigrants) has nothing to do with paranoia. My "paranoia" is simply your own ignorance.
"Cause the intruder, the terrorist, whoever you're afraid of, is in your mind..."
Tell that to the twin towers.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
"Tell that to the twin towers."
No; Tell that to your allmighty airforce and NORAD...
There are TWO cases when planes strained dangerously of course if we exclude 9-11; In BOTH CASES the planes were shot down after FIRST failing to establish radio contact; SECOND not responding to visual signals from a fighter jet...
So... Yeah...
You can tell that too to HMMWVs that came to New York after 9-11; stayed there few weeks; just to be seen - Cause the threat was and is NONE...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
If America's borders are undefended, that means America's security / regulation is only as good as the worst country in the world. It's not hard to grasp. I'll try to make it simple for you:
America guards its nuclear, chemical, and biological material, as well as other goods, extremely well because it is the responsible thing to do. But what is the point in doing so if you leave the border open?
You're only as strong as the weakest link. This is elementary stuff, here.
N37BU6 1 year ago
You guards it better than the Russians... Yet in the US there are whole plants containing cemichal weaponry without even a night guard... Yep... But it's important for infeared people to see a HMMWV passing through NY streets after 9/11... While wild dogs guard the warehouse and a police officer with a car and a flashlight guards 100 miles of coast... No one will see how 'enadngered US is' by putting a military hummer on the coastline. If U were in REAL danger you WOULD protect the COASTLINE.
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"You guards it better than the Russians..."
EXACTLY. THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING.
What is the point of regulating things yourself if you're going to leave the borders undefended? As I said: YOUR SECURITY IS ONLY AS STRONG AS THE WEAKEST LINK. WHEN YOU LEAVE THE BORDER OPEN, YOU ADOPT THE SECURITY STANDARDS OF THE LEAST SECURE NATION.
I'm not talking about people coming in and stealing nukes, you fucking idiot. I'm talking about things coming IN from OUTSIDE.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6 "You guards it better than the Russians..."
Sarcasm; You apparently don't understand it... Guarding WMDs better than Russians; Well better than Russians and no one else... Cause only you and them have literally forgotten warehouses housing chemical weapons... With one difference Russians don't have mouths full of terrorism even if they're fighting terrorism on their OWN soil and you do; now fighting terrorism that you've created back in 80ies...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Sarcasm; You apparently don't understand it"
Saying America guards its nuclear stockpile better than Russia does is a display of sarcasm? So... you're saying Russia guards its nukes better than America does?!
Do you understand the definition of "sarcasm"?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Russians don't have mouths full of terrorism"
Yeah... only 5 major examples in 2010 alone. Several other famous, glaring examples come to mind (such as a certain theater you appear to have forgotten) but I'll just sum it up with sentences from a Wikipedia article:
"Terrorism in Russia has a long history starting from the times of the Russian Empire"
"Starting from the end of the 20th century, significant terrorist activity has taken place in Moscow"
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
What? My point was Russia DOES HAVE real threat of terrorism; Yet they don't feed the fear to their people... They feed vodka...
Russia has great leavel of actual terrorist threat; while US has minimal...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6 I'm not talking about people coming in and stealing nukes, you fucking idiot. I'm talking about things coming IN from OUTSIDE."
You're the one who seems to be an idiot... Who talked about stealing nukes? You know a nuclea bomb isn't a hand grenade... You can't steal nor handle it that easily... You were specific... And if something DOES come in; it will come on a ship of some Saudi Sheik; in a cargo that is never checked... On a cargo ship of your ally...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"You're the one who seems to be an idiot... Who talked about stealing nukes?"
You're the one who compared illegal Mexican immigration to European chemical weapon theft. If you knew I wasn't talking about illegals stealing American weaponry, why did you use that analogy?
You're all over the place.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Glen Beck is not diverging...
People like him are if not the cause atleast the fuel of your mass paranoia...If you knew I wasn't talking about illegals stealing American weaponry, why did you use that analogy"
Cause you were talking about them... You're equally afraid of them... And I used a sarcastic tone...
The worst act of terrorism in the US; And the ONLY except 9/11 were comitted by US citizens; In most cases not fresh immigrants, but deep rooted Americans...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
I've meant to say with the only exception of 9/11... Well you got my point...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"People like him are if not the cause atleast the fuel of your mass paranoia"
SPECIFICS. Tell me everything you "know" about Glenn Beck. Give me 10 topics, his arguments on them, and where he is "lying" or wrong.
"Cause you were talking about them... You're equally afraid of them... And I used a sarcastic tone..."
Will you stop talking in riddles? I don't give a shit about your opinions. I say "securing the border is important to proper regulation" and you go there?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Glen Beck; He's not really much to say about... Interesting insane(Or phony) lkittle character... He would be totally irrelevant if wasn't inspiring terrorism and murder for years by spilling his paranoia nation wide...
To sumarize his 'topics': """Evil comies gonna kill us all; FEMA camps; Run for the hills or better grab your guns; God Almighty was American born in Michigain or wherever; The End Time is coming; WE ALL GONNA DIE"""
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Glen Beck; He's not really much to say about"
Van Jones, ACORN, AFL-CIO, Goldman-Sachs, SEIU, JP Morgan Chase, BP, GE, CFAP, Shore Bank, George Soros, Valerie Jarrett, Rahm Emanuel, STORM, Tides Foundation, Weather Underground, Bill Ayers, Cass Sunstein, Robert Creamer, Maurice Strong, George Bush, Al Gore, Barack Obama, John Holdren, CPUSA, UAW, GM, Anita Dunn, Apollo Alliance, One Nation Rally, UN, IPCC...
Lots to say. Show me what you know. Tell me Beck's "delusions".
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Ah; Ofcourse; I've forgot GB's talk about evil liberals that are to be killed or so...
Sorry... Ever wondered how he never talks about those nice Saudis holding 8% of US?
GB is batshit INSANE... he's incoherent and literally MAD(Or acting it out good)...
Beck's dellusions; Well if you can't see them I can't help you...
Let's put it like this; Compared to him Bill O'Riley is THE MOST reasonable person in the world...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"GB is batshit INSANE"
I called you out, and you failed to deliver.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"FEMA camps"
Once again, proving your lack of knowledge. Do you watch CNN and MSNBC?
Glenn was OPPOSED to the FEMA Camp conspiracy. He MOCKED it. He DEBUNKED it. That was the ENTIRE POINT of him going there. Not to promote it, but to QUASH it.
FACT: You. Are. Wrong. Indisputable fact. 100% wrong. Uninformed, misinformed, ignorant... whatever you want to call it. COMPLETELY WRONG.
Beck and Popular Mechanics teamed up to DEBUNK the FEMA Camps. Get your shit together.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Ah; GB mentioned FEMA camps few times... Search the net for it... it's not his focus(Like Alex Jonses), but he mentioned it few times... How communists are preparing the camps... I guess the government agency for emergencies is communist and evil too...
Is GB A Popular Mechanic too? LOL!
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Evil comies gonna kill us all"
When did he say that? Oh, I know: you're referring to the out-of-context HISTORICAL discussions truncated and combined by the MSM and Jon Stewart to make it look like Beck is saying "the commies are going to kill us all".
He talks about ECONOMIC death. ECONOMIC destruction. ECONOMIC warfare. And he's absolutely right.
We need to delve into this, because you're plain old wrong. I've already PROVEN it once with FEMA. Shall we go for round 2?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6 "When did he say that?"
Ah come on... Are you stupid or what? Can't you recognize a parody...
But his talks actually does revolve around 'Evil Communism'; You know the system that was overcomed and seald as thing of history when USSR prooved it's unsustainable and unpractical...
He doesn't know shit about economic... Look just his blabber about taxes... Even someone from a foreign country, like me, knows more...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"The worst act of terrorism in the US; And the ONLY except 9/11 were comitted by US citizens; In most cases not fresh immigrants, but deep rooted Americans..."
What does this have to do with anything? What's to stop homegrown American terrorists from obtaining banned materials via the border? What is your point? How does this debunk my assertion that border security is essential for ensuring that nothing unobtainable in the US becomes obtainable?
Can you focus, please?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
"What's to stop homegrown American terrorists from obtaining banned materials via the border?"
Why would he/she bother at all? He can buy it all at the shop across the street... A military grade assault weapon; pocket full of shells(and mags); A shopping mall or a school... Here you go...
OFFENSIV(Repeat it again; OFFENSIVE) weaponry is accesible to US civilians... What more you need?
A polish anty tank gun; Only a gun-nuts enthusiast, a redneck or a terrorist will buy one....
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Why would he/she bother at all? He can buy it all at the shop across the street"
You can buy makeshift WMDs from storefronts?
What does this have to do with having a secure border? How can you protect the billions of tax dollars when there are people taking advantage of the system without paying into it?
Does China protect its borders? Malaysia? Japan? South Korea? Israel?
Why? According to you, there's no need.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
It has; You're afraid of illegal immigrants and weapons from Romania... 99% of acts of terrorism on US soil was commited by US citizens who claimed themselves American and 'patriotis', by material(Mostly offensive infantry weapon; but explosives also) acquired in the US...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
How is this an argument for ignoring what happens at the border? You're using acts of violence as an argument for NOT protecting the border? Using that same logic, all regulations should go. How does that make any sense?
You're just anti-American, I'd say. You haven't made a coherent argument yet.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
"How does this debunk my assertion that border security is essential for ensuring that nothing unobtainable in the US becomes obtainable?
Can you focus, please?"
Could YOU focus; With 10K dollars you can LEGALLY obtain a long range military sniper that geneve convention permits to be used dirctly on enemy personnel... Weapon built for blowing a hole in 2 inch tick steel plates from medium ranges...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
No, no, no... we stick to the #1 issue, being the border.
What does having the ability to buy a rifle have to do with dusting your hands of regulations / inspections / laws at the border? Why not secure the LEGAL flow of humans, goods, services, etc?
What is wrong with having LEGAL, OPEN borders? Anyone can enter America. It is STAYING ILLEGALLY that is the issue. What is your problem with stopping people from sneaking across in the dark? They are obviously up to no good.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
OK; Border is the topic... But I'm just pointing out everything you're afraid of even if happens is caused by an US citizen and gear from the US...
"What is your problem with stopping people from sneaking across in the dark? They are obviously up to no good."
I have no problem with that... But searching and IDing people on streets... Segregation on racial basis never turned out good... You know in Germany it all started just by you showing someone your Ausweiss...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
Ah; Wait; Do you actually know that there are lost(yes, LOST) nuclear weapons... USSR is holding the record followed just by the US... Almost a time... And I'm not sure Iranians lost any A Bomb; i'm not quite sure they have one at all.... i assume they do... But US should thought about that beffore selling them shitload of weapons...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Do you actually know that there are lost(yes, LOST) nuclear weapons"
Broken arrows, yes. Your point for ending border security is... what, exactly?
"But US should thought about that beffore selling them shitload of weapons"
Again, how is this an argument against border security? You keep talking about staying on topic, yet bounce from one to another without answering me.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Ending border security? Who said that? European Union has border security...
Yet no predator drones and walls on their borders...
My point is it's more likelly someone will dugg up an atomic bomb from a swamp(Which is not really likely to happen, except hypothetically ofcourse) than smuggling it from Iran or NK who probably ain't gote one...
The second wasn't about border security... But a threat of Iran terrorism and all... There's no actual foreign threat to US...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
"and biological material'
Ehm; What?
Biological weaponry isn't really called 'biological material'...
I've mentioned how 'responsibly' sarine warehouses from the Cold War guard themselves today...
THAT is the elementary stuff right there...
"But what is the point in doing so if you leave the border open?"
What? You think Mexicans are coming for your stacked Cold War arsenal?
European union has it's borders open... Yet you doin't see people from Romania stealing German chemical weapons.
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Biological weaponry isn't really called 'biological material'"
Are you on crack, or just an idiot? When I'm referring to "biological material" OBVIOUSLY I'm referring to SPECIFIC biological material that is weaponized / can be weaponized / can be used to create weaponized biological agents.
What the fuck was the point of that comment? Absolutely pathetic. Can't believe you're wasting my time with shit like that. Specific BIOLOGICAL MATERIAL is controlled.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Sure; biological material is 'deffended strongly'... But Sarine warehouses ain't... cause DANGER IS NONE... Terrorist could acquire enough cesium for a dirty bomb by scavanging dumbsters behind city hospitals; Yet they didn't; Why; Well cause there is no terrorists... again; You don't have a clue what terrorism is... You saw them in dull Hollywood movies only...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"What? You think Mexicans are coming for your stacked Cold War arsenal?"
It's settled then... you really are just an idiot.
Right over your head. Wow.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
"It's settled then... you really are just an idiot.
Right over your head. Wow."
Really?
Define an idiot...
I would say an idiot is someone who actually believes Gnlen Beck for instance... If we assume Glen Beck is mentally sane; well then not even he believes the shitstorm...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Define an idiot..."
This was your first response? What do you want me to do with that?
"I would say an idiot is someone who actually believes Gnlen Beck for instance"
Believe what, exactly? Lay it on me.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
You tell me not to change the topic (despite the fact that I spoke about nothing but border security in a border security debate) and then bring up Glenn Beck.
Since you changed the subject (hypocrite), let's go there too. List Glenn Beck's core arguments, and how he is lying. Tell me what he "believes". Give me 10 examples.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"What? You think Mexicans are coming for your stacked Cold War arsenal?"
"European union has it's borders open... Yet you doin't see people from Romania stealing German chemical weapons."
I'm talking about keeping things OUT, not from being stolen. How can you not understand this? Again: What is the point of controlling substances / equipment internally if you allow it to flow IN from OUTSIDE? Missiles, mass quantities of ANFO, things that send up red flags at purchase?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Give some arguments man; Do NOT try to divert the story; Do not diverge from topic...
You gave enough WMD's to unstable ountries like Saudi Arabia you claim your allies... So; IF in any case a WMD terrorist attack happens on US soil it won't be from a weapon stolen by an 'evil illegal alien', but 99% something from your 'good and stable' ally friend from the Middle East... Like the most pilots from 9/11 were... And they were legally in the US...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
"Do NOT try to divert the story; Do not diverge from topic..."
How did I?
"it won't be from a weapon stolen by an 'evil illegal alien'"
You STILL don't get it? How many times do I have to explain this to you? Who is saying anything about illegal aliens stealing American nukes?!
"Like the most pilots from 9/11 were... And they were legally in the US..."
Right. But they can't get any chemical / nuclear / bio weapons in America. What is your point?
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
The Obama Administration called Arizona's immigration law "racist" and "unconstitutional", organized boycotts, and got most of South and Central America to band together in protest. But look at Mexico's law:
watch?v=jBOuHOXo1Vk
They also slapped them with a lawsuit. The angle used in the lawsuit is that immigration enforcement is federal, not state jurisdiction... yet they continue to allow "sanctuary cities" to operate, despite being in the exact same violation.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
You'll accept that the Bush admin orchestrated 9/11 in order to set up the framework for a New World Order, yet you defend Clinton and Obama? Really? Both are proponents for a NWO. One fought in court for Cloward & Piven legislation, the other signed it into law, leading to voter fraud and the housing and banking collapses... all so the Fed could bail them out with taxpayer money.
Bush's rule wouldn't be possible without Clinton, and Obama's wouldn't be possible without Bush.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Not exactly to set a parameter to the 'NWO'...
But more like to send more college kids into the fire in order for the more and more hungry military industry to be fed; the IFV assembly lines to keep on rolling; More production; more ammo; The fatherland is at war!
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
And i do not defend Obama and especially not Clinton...
As I've said; the US politics; especially the foreign politics; didn't change in past 40 decades... So it's really not much different which one and who is the president as presidency is just an another charade in big style...
And by the 'NWO'; What you consider it to represent or be? i mean many people take distracting Alex Jones gibberish talk about the 'NWO' as the valid definition...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@Orthodoxcrusader
The NWO? A merging of the private and public sectors, carried out by elites in both arenas via social and financial engineering. Simultaneous destruction and redistribution of wealth, with the end goal of forming global governance and a global banking system.
Not quite communism... more state capitalism, as already admitted by George Soros, Maurice Strong, and other people at the top. Definitely not democracy, or a republic.
N37BU6 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Pretty near what i consider it to be; Yes; Ofcourse...
I'm actually glad you didn't start with the AJ crap...
Republic; Well it's more the formal arrangement of state(don't know how really to call it) than a overall socio-political state and order as democracy for instance is... but yeah; i get your point...
Although i do not think the public and private sectors are merged; it's more like a public sector is privatized...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Ah; one more thing; Arizona law is segregationist and therefore RACIST...
you CAN'T legitimate people based on the tan of their skin; in matter of fact you can't legitimate anyone unless he/she's breaking the law...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago
@N37BU6
Now i'm watching a clip about Russian Zombies in upcoming COD sequel; so till tomorrow...
Orthodoxcrusader 1 year ago