Hydrogen HHO MiniTorch Home Heating Application and Concept

[bobleedee]

you mentioned that the hho generator overheats. have you experimented with using the hot water through a heat exchanger in combination with the torch?

[TheSeeker532]

Ah! But can the gas be directed into the gas feeder lines to the furnace and burned just like natural gas is?

[GBH2o4u]

way cool, or should I say thats Hot! I think if you had the whole torch flame inside a hole drilled in that bronze rod that it may be more efficant way to heat it up! Thanks I hope that helps and works!

[Paulisfalseprophet]

Why not use the direct flame to heat the air? To me its pretty counter productive heating metal to heat the air.

2H2 + O2 → 2H2O(g) + heat

just make sure that the oxygen is coming out with the hydrogen at the same time to ensure complete combustion, and you won't have to worry about CO2 etc.

[digitalenigma00]

Theres a heater already that utilizes copper's ability to evenly radiate heat its called the edun pure it doesnt run off of HHO but if you study there array of copper plates and or elements it will probally save you some time on some of the technical/efficiency research trial and error stuff

[thesecretcollection]

Use multiple cores with smaller flames, considering it only took a few minutes to heat it with a big flame.

You can use multiple smaller flames, will take longer to heat up but once it gets going will not take much flame to maintain heat.

[Braca982]

are you using dry bronze wool or wet?And try to find platinum wool or platinum sponge for flash back arrestor,it isnt cheap but then chemical structure of HHO is changing,and you will get heavier gas and better flame.Dry flame.

[rahdzhillaxxx]

I'm aiming for the same goal, I'm hopeing to be heating by next winter with HHO. I'm thinking along the lines of storing the gas as the wind turns a wind mill and running off that.

I noticed Xogen is proposing a ceramic tube like heat diffuser. A junk toilet tank lid comes to mind

A good source for hypo's are farm supply stores for vaccinations of livestock. Or brass tube electrodes from industrial suppliers. one thought for the cell heat dilema is to run multiple cells switching w/thermosta

[orgwarchants]

Ive seen the same concept heater on a larger scale using a torch and some black pipe, they call it a salamander...heats the tents up nice. Has anyone tried running a BBQ on HHO? Would it flame through a burner?

[theoneagain]

have you tried dave lawtons circuit do you getthe sam amount of gas with less heat on the system

[theoneagain]

the main problem we have is the overheating of the electrolyser cell only stanley meyer knew how to keep it cool.. THATS the problem

[theoneagain]

use a puls generator to reduce heat in your cell and increase voltage

[theoneagain]

use the hots stick method loads of ceramic potsd upsidei bolted on top of one on another with a melter stud bolt going through them a flam will radiate through the stud bolt and dissipae through the ceramic pots if you know what i mean

[jedirock]

I agree with imjacen, use a thinner piece of metal that is resistant to high temperature melting, and a fan system to send the heat through a venting system for home heating?? Keep on working people!

[imjacen]

another method you could use is - in short -

use a sealed stainless steel coil filled with water, heat the coil the water with get hot very quickly, circulate the water using a small pump though a plate to plate heat exchanger, you can now heat other devices such as a hot water cylinder or under floor heating etc. the above will require a expansion vessle and pressure relief valve.

or you can use an open system & use gavity to circulate the water

Jacen

[aflacduky]

great work on the torch!

[overunitydotcom]

Well done SirH !

If you go from copper supply cables to SS bolts you have there a thermo-effect due to the dissimular metals at the connections, so

first clamp a big Stainless Steel connector

to the cable and then use only SS nuts and bolts for the connections and use at least 1 cm diameter cable sizes !

Regards, Stefan.

[Pollymorphic]

I once saw a 5 minute report on a device for heating an Iron bar (it was a long time ago so not certain it was iron) I think the inventor was pulsing electricity through the bar. How about making a battery with the HHO. As per NASA technology

[H0D0NKAIN]

I read an article in the newspaper about a guy who was a farmer and put coal in his barn and set the coal next to a bunch of copper tubes he had in there. The coal somehow maintained heat and heated his barn all winter. Perhaps you could look into this concept with your idea. -Have a good one.

[tannerby123]

good job just whatI needed thank you

[trailkeeper]

Maby some heat energy is lost in the air between the flame and the end of the rod, so maby if you inject the gas and flame into a hollow rod, it might allow better efficiency.

[samoht1977]

you're right: since burning that gas doesn't make hazardous by-products (like kerosene heaters do), it could be possible to direct the flame over some kind of heatsink and force air trhough it to heat a room.

[booroses]

Well, kind of, the burning of the gas does, however, burn a little more oxygen than what it contains, therefore it is still hazardous due to the way it "thins" the oxygen supply in the enclosed area.

[blackdog1964]

to stop you cells getting too hot you need a square wave pulse thing to get the amps down

[booroses]

It is called an electronic pulse resonator.

You can make one yourself with less than $50 worth of supplies from Radioshack & the likes, as well as rudimentary knowledge of soldering.

[paaping]

instead of heating the tube, is the production sufficient to run it through a Natural Gas boiler? The heat transfer mechanisme is build in. I know my boiler was originally running propane and was switched to Natural gas. why not Hydrogen?

[sirHOAX]

These are the things we have to work towards.

[sidyoung]

Great Job HOAX, You may want to try a simple "heat tube" for heat transfer. (a 2' X 1/2" copper pipe silver solder capped at both ends with a tablespoon full of water inside) Used vertically down to almost horizontal with the heat appied to the lower end will transfer to the upper end in very little time. (don't burn your hand) Also you can get SS hypo tube from smallparts dot com Keep up the good work

[sirHOAX]

That sounds like an interesting mechanism to transfer the heat. Will have to try it. Thanks for looking out for us hydrogen-heads.

Regards, --sirHHoAX--

[crazzieg]

As to the hook up to the battery maybe use a motor starting relay like HVAC uses they go up to hundreds of amps 1k or more and can be had as junk. The real question is how to deal with your spouse? She ask "what you doing now" Response "cooking beans darling"

[popeye11068]

Hahaha ! thats funny!

I'm not the only one.....;-)

[ewmegoolies]

Hoax,

It is my understanding that ceramics get much hotter, supposedly 10k degrees, against an HHO flame than other materials. Could you test that for us? If that is true, steam generation through ceramic tubing should be much more effecient. Thoughts?

[thinkofwhy]

Here's an idea to make some cash for more R&D:

Mini HHO Cell Waxless Candles. Wax candles produce soot and they melt. HHO is clean burning and only needs a water solution and small current. If you could design a mini HHO cell: 9V battery in base, water cell in middle and flame on top, you could easily market them as waxless candles.

[ktservicescorp]

I have found that too much gas needs to be produced for a simple device like that. I think for the home, pochintwin uses (if I am not mistake) high vac to high vdc using only 50 watts and is generating quite a bit of HHO enough for home use applications. There are two type of cells I see people are testing, the high voltage low amp "tap water" cell which would make sense for home use, and the 12-13 volt 30 amp electrolight cell which produces enough to supplement gas in cars. WADUYATHINK??

[thinkofwhy]

Maybe something like a propane lantern then. Something to light a room. Maybe you could trap the HHO in a cottom sack, like propane lanterns do, to spread out the gas and emit a lot of light.

[MARKFALLEN]

Do you have any idea on how you are going to handle the wires to the cell getting hot? Right now that is my biggest problem. They heat up to quick and start melting. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

[strapped9]

Maybe a couple more heatsinks lol.

[CarbideTip]

Are the wires big enough or have a loose connection? Do you have nuts on both sides of the connectors to keep it tight and not using the plastic case between them?

[ktservicescorp]

I did too. I leads started to get too hot and melted to acrylic around the SS bolt. I had to destroy my container :(. P.S. THIS IS THE RIGHT IDEA!!! Your the best Hoax!

[crazzieg]

WAY Cool, right on, this is what I've been working at too. May be use a insulin needel they go all the way down to what they call a micro fine and are made of SS. Grind off the point.

And if you can find some of those ceramic hollow blocks like used in the radiant style heaters ??? So now you've done that guess I'll have to mount mine in my CNC to make SS plates. Heating oil here is +$3 a gal.

[rapttor94]

Cool stuff, I dig the ole proccessor heatsink.

as a side note, is the predominantly red flame from the amount of NaHCO3 you used?

[WarlockWeary]

Might be better to use a hollow tube so the heat dissipates through the hole tube.

[robdham99]

Looks like you could turn your cell down and move the smaller flame to the same relative position and your cell would stay cooler.

[CarbideTip]

Do you know whats the min cell output for a torch that size?

[marthale7]

You might try going to your farmers store, like TSC ( Tractor Supply Company ) they have hyperdermic needles for horses and cows, might be the size you need.

[strapped9]

looks good. I think we are on the right track here. almost seems like a waste to put a big flame on the end in a small circle. only takes a very small flame to melt most metals. maybe the bronze tube you have there is the way to go. if you could get some pin holes in it and get it under that rod you'd probably heat the garage with it. whats the cost of that super small tube?

[sirHOAX]

Next to nothing, 3 brass tubes for $2.00 USD.

Says "K-S Engineering Chicago, IL - Rd. Brass. Stock No 1268" for future reference.

Regards, --H0AX--

[pochintwin]

Nice work

[water4fuel]

Nice work, awesome setup I had the same issue with the heat and the cell melting, Keep it up.