People have been complaining that the market isnt free enough ever since the time of Willy Brandt. No matter how free the market was set, the failures following it would (and will) be blamed on the market not being free ENOUGH.
Ron Paul Right Wing Reactionaries don't care about facts, they care about the myth. The myth they created because without the myth (created truth) the ideology has no basis
@franks2732 Left wing ProgressaCunts and Thomtards never deal with facts, they deal in emotion and hyperbolee. Like Hope and Change and Yes We Can. Oh and myths, how about the secret Federalist Society. Hmm LOL
Where does the government get its power and money from to start with? The people. Talking about the government as if it's some magical mystery machine that makes our lives better is sick thinking. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. Reagan was right at the time...the government DID get out of control and its now been hijacked by scoundrels and big business. That's what Ron Paul is saying.
@truthout911 "If you are being told that Democrats had nothing to do with getting into the wars and you are being woefully misled."
What?! The Dems voted FOR the wars!?
NO!
REALLY!?
YOU DON'T SAY!
That might explain why Occupy REFUSES to be associated with the democratic party,protests the Obama administration (Manning, occupy the courts), and regularly pushes people like Van Jones away in favor of Green and Socialist party people.
@truthout911 "The OccuCunt Movement has said nothing about the NDAA and will run anyone off who protest at their rallys about the war, especially since Obama has continued them."
Objectively verifiable bullshit. Go look at actual Progressive sources and stop lying.
@ymkamara420 I learn the are of discernment meaning I dont have one particular source of information. I compare what is out there and then fact check for myself. The problem with ProgressaCunts like you is that you think all the lefties out their tell you the truth. Well they dont. They also sold you on hope and change.. Anything from RT, The young Turds or Hartmann is not to be believed.
This nation will not last long without a middle class. The people will rise up against their oppressors as they get hungrier.The main thing that made this country a superpower is the middle class. Sure, a few people are getting rich right now but when the facade peels away and reveals the rotting infrastructure beneath the dollar will crash. This situation is unsustainable. Bring back the middle class, raise the corporate tax back up to 70%, end corporate personhood, reform campaign financing.
@ShogaNinja Extraordinarily weak-minded view on things. Corporations never paid 70% tax rates. When tax rates were that high we had 100% world domination with zero overseas competition, and many loopholes that kept anyone from paying that much. We do need to work on the weak dollar but that should be done by government spending less.
They never paid the 70% tax because they were only subject to do so if they took the money as profit.Thus they invested in the business, the products were of higher quality (which is plain to see) and the employees made more wages (also plain to see).You should do a little bit more research on the history of our economics before you make broad sweeping statements based in fantasy.Now that taxes are so low,you get paid shit,products suck,and the CEOs make a fortune in taxfree profits.
From truthout911, "THe OccuCunt movement has not said one word about the continuing wars." You are a total liar and you know it. Either that or you are completely out of touch with reality. I'm not finding any truth with you truthout911, you discredit yourself.
Thom, I'm impressed I see you've taken my advice and sped up the tempo of your speaking voice! Good work! It really keeps the audience more engaged and they feel less patronized :)
1.) I'm voting Ron Paul NOT because the libertarian ideology is somehow other than an ideology (replete with discursive traps, appeals to emotion, false constructs, logic flaws, etc) but because he's the only candidate who seems A.) Earnest and B.) Promises to repeal PATRIOT and NDAA and C.) End ALL the wars.
@hep48 In other words, I'm voting Paul for the SAME REASONS I voted Obama - NO, I didn't believe in Obama's fake FDR/MLK thing (which he didn't deliver on) but because he said he'd repeal PATRIOT, solve economic problems, and END WARS..... BUT he's a proven liar and an arrogant narcissistic murderer NOW. And I don't mean that in a hyperbolic sense. At all ....
@ymkamaraCUNT Oh and lets not forget Obama signing the NDAA,. Where are the ProgressaCunts on that. Nowhere, thats where. Again ProgressaCunts talk a good game, but that is it.
"ProgressaCUNTs", that's the vocabulary of Ron Paul supporters. Ronald Reagan was a corporatist fascist who raised taxes and did everything that Ron Pauls says he was against. I'm sick of Libertarians treating him like a prophet. He's not. One thing I've constantly seen from Ron Paul supporters is that they get very hostile and aggresive towards anyone who critiques Ron Paul.
To provide for the people (e;g. to get the money to pay for everything) one should both cut spending and raise taxes; Ron paul only wants to do half of the job because, like any Republican candidate he's backed by corporate power that would welcome less regulation. h may be good on civil liberties but his social and economic opinions are just crazy.
There's one good thing about moRon Paul--he's such a Methuselah, he'll croak sooner than the other candidates--probably with a steaming hot load in his Depends. Heh, heh. Let the Randroids mop that shit up! LOL!
Seriously, how about arguing about the history (what this video is ABOUT) instead of spitting out pre-made libertarian talking points. We (in general) show the same courtesy to Adam Kokesh and other libertarians when we comment on their videos, how about actually making a point? Strange notion, I know.
@801D012 Really? The fact that he's a cretard, denies evolution and global warming, thinks AIDS is spread through casual contact and says the Federal Reserve causes the business cycle when it was orders of magnitude worse before the Fed was established to ameliorate it's viciousness doesn't bother you? You're voting for this fool?
You have trouble paying attention? If the government isn't larger than the corporations they have no power to stop their tyranny. Big government is synonymous with DEMOCRACY. Small government is synonymous with REPUBLICAN ideals.What do democrats do? The Santa Claus theory. They give presents to the people.What do Republicans do? Try to de-regulate big business, deny global warming, and try to take away freedoms of the people (SOPA,pro-life,patriot act,cutting social programs).
They did not have al the answers we will ever need until the end of time. The Founders created a framework with which future generations could use to build the governmental structure they need for that specific time. This is why our constitution and governmental bodies are designed for change.
" "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson
"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson"
You make a mistake in deifying the Founders. Many were deeply flawed characters with a repulsive view on a great number of issues by today's standards.
"HAHAHAH. Talk about a false premise! As if there are only those two options. The financial crisis proves that the regulators are bought off! The smaller government idea would make it so that the regulators could not have bailed out their friends, the bankers!"
It would also very likely prevent government from policing the industry.
tune in next week as tom explains how the founding fathers were against guns and how the 2nd amendment is actually pro gun control. NLP doesn't work on intelligent folk.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson
"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
ProgressaCunts like Thom prefer to have big govt socialism and live and tyranny and have endless wars and have troops die. This is your loving caring ProgressaCunt
@ymkamoron and Obama continued those wars plus added Libya, CIA color guard Egypt and now Iran. Plus with the help of ProgressaCunts too we got into Iraq and Afghanistan. Dems controlled the Senate at the time of the war resolutions. Tom Dashcel was Majority leader, SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ASSHOLE
@truthout911 dumbass. Obama is lost his progressive base for the wars in libya. Progressive had NOTHING to do with iraq and Afghanistan. And just because you are a Dem does not make you a progressive dumbass. One Progressive named Rocky Anderson actually called to have George W. Bush (the dumbass consevative) impeached. Now republicans have been fucking up this nation hard seen Reagan
@ymkamarCunr Senators like John Edwards voted for the Resolutions asshole. And you were one of these Progressacunts talking about Hope and Chanve and Yes We Can, now fhat Obama didnt turn out to be the socialist you made out to be now all of the sudden you are mad. ProgressaCunts along Neocunts started both the wars and are continuing them now/ And asshole Andersons talks a good game, but Cynthia Mckinney was the only congressperson who filed articles against Bush
@truthout911 dumb ass Mckinney is a progressive democrat. and yes we are mad Obama lied to us and is governing like a moderate republican. Progressive had nothing to do with these two wars. That all on the Conservatives. And Anderson has been "talking a good game" for years now. He would be the best choice for this country.
@ymkamCUNT I know Mckinney was a Dem, now she is a member of the Greens, but the party affiliation is not the pt. You ProgressaCunts who claimed to be so antiwar and for your values, when people like Mckinney ran for Pres, you didnt support her not when she introduce articles of impeachment. In fact where is the antiwar ProgressaCunts now. You are silent that Obama has continued the wars and expanded them into Pakastan and Libya. You are hypocrites. Progressives are just as guilty
@ymkamCunt Democrats in the senate could have filibustered the resolutions back then and they chose not to. ProgressaCunts are just responsible and your silence now is deafening. ProgressaCunts are not saints and its time you face that reality.
@truthout911 but it was the republicans that pushed for this. if we had elected the progressive Al gore back in 2000. All this would not have happened. But we got a conservative named Bush.
@ymkamaraCUNT Ever heard of something called a filibuster. Ask Mike Gravel, he knew how to use it or your Uncle Bobby KKK Byrd. Again they could have stopped it and didnt. So both are responsible. Also ProgressaCunts like you like to talk a good game, but when it comes to actions, you are lacking. So quit talking about Anderson, because in the end we all know you will vote for Obama
@ymkamara420 Yeah when a top executive leaves Goldman Sachs to become the regulator for Goldman Sachs, they are completely fair and honest in giving small businesses a chance to put Goldman Sachs out of business... Do you live on earth?
If we pay taxes, then we should have a say to where the money goes. It is OUR money. The thieves need to be jailed. Reagan is dead and so is his lies of trickle down economics. Now we have the stacked supreme court saying corps are people? These are not dysfunctional families. The entire corporate entity are slavers. Can you say FEMA CAMPS?
@lrinax FEMA camps? You're a wing nut fool. Pull an Alex Jones now and tell me to "WAKE UP" or alternately type something with the word 'sheeple' in it. Either way we'll all laugh at you.
@disrxt I do enjoy hearing both sides of everything. If I didn't, I would be a fool. You are welcome to your opinion and I will not call you names or belittle you. It is your free will to do with as you wish. Good luck and the best life has to offer to you and yours.
Big goverment is destorying the middle class... Obey are constitution...that's what will fix are country....Let people keep and save and spend the money they earn......ZERO INCOME TAX ON LABOR AND WE WILL TURN THIS AROUND IN NO TIME....
@ymkamara420 Countries are only as prosperous to the extent that they embrace the free market. I have a question for you: please show one top down government that has not eventually led to war, famine, corruption, or long lines for goods and services!
@mjmayerjr the free market does not exist. And im not pushing for a top down government. I'm pushing for a more social government. one that uses tax dollars to pay for education and healthcare for its citizens. Also with strong unions to protect workers. I can name a few countries like Germany Sweden Denmark and Iceland where this has worked and built a strong middle class. Now please name libertarian country that has done the same
@ymkamara420 I don't know of any totally libertarian countries. however, govt has been in charge of education for a long time and has hurt education (no child left behind is a great example & low literacy rates are another: before the advent of govt-controlled schools, literacy was high).
Also, govt has been involved in healthcare for the elderly for a long time too and has failed to keep costs down. Also, the FDA has had a net negative effect on healthcare.
@mjmayerjr of course you don't. that because libertarian country would never work. And I said we should provide funding. not the dumb ass bush administration shit. we should pay our teachers more. Also we should have free or low cost college education like the nations i listed. and medicare (Goverenment healthcare) cost American's much less then the private industry. I want smart regulation and government. not big government
@UtubeMyAccountName The New Deal succeeded giving people jobs, and it also gave
middle class and lower income citizens added benefits that theyhadn't received from the government. The New Deal for the " common man" , gave working classfamilies Social Security benefits, unemployment benefits, etc. etc.. People in the military got the GI Bill so many men who could not afford to to go to college were able to and given a better opportunity at a better life
@ymkamara420 Then please explain the explosion of debt during the formative years of the new deal.
Please explain the reasons why there was no real growth of the economy until some new deal era programs were scaled back post war, and govt spending declined.
Please explain how if 'we (by we, I presume you mean the govt, because you nor I have ever taxed anyone) taxed the shit out of rich people', there's no evidence of increased revenue until 'we' started taxing the middle class.
@ymkamara420 What are talking about? More money does not mean more revenue, more income means more revenue.
...and several graphs have shown that higher taxes rarely lead to higher revenue
The economy grew at 58%, are you crazy, do you know what that would mean? Oh I see what you did, you counted govt spending. The problem with this counting method is that a great portion of govt spending is financed by debt. That is making your children pay for your unaffordable lifestyle.
@UtubeMyAccountName brah if we erased all the tax cuts form Reagan to bush jr. the debt would be much lower. that is a fact. tax cuts do not create jobs. but if u raise taxes and give money to the poor though free education and if needed welfare that creates jobs. and yes i counted government spending. the same government spending that keep decreasing the unemployment rate and kept people in work
@ymkamara420 No, tax cuts don't create jobs directly, but tax hikes don't create jobs at all.
Deficits like all debt result from overspending, not underfunding. If you make $50,000 a year & spend $60,000 you go into debt. To blame your boss/customers for only paying/buying $50,000 is absurd.
The work govt makes are not jobs. Jobs create revenue pay for themselves & increase wealth. Work, which is what govt makes does not create revenue & has to be paid for, which exhausts wealth.
@UtubeMyAccountName dude we where in a fucking war of course the debt is going rise. and yes there is evidence of increased revenue when we (the government) taxed rich people. More taxes means the Government has more money. more money is more revenue by definition. And the economy did grow.the economy grew 58% from 1932 to 1940 in 8 years of peacetime, and then grew 56% from 1940 to 1945 in 5 years of wartime.
@ymkamara420 You must listen to Paul Krugman. He is a socialist so obviously he would think that. There was a middle class before the new deal. The middle class really started to grow out of the industrial revolution. It really became apparent when Ford motor company came to existence. Wiki Industrial revolution.
@MMAGRO1 haha. u mean before the unions. where we had people working like slaves.The owners of the early factories often were most interested in hiring a worker cheaply. Thus they employed many women and children. These workers could be hired for lower wages than men. These low-paid employees had to work for as long as 16 hours a day; they were subjected to pressure, and even physical punishment, in an effort to make them speed up production. yeah that was a great middle class. smh
@ymkamara420 You insinuating the unions created the middle class. I'm saying capitalism created the middle class. Sure they had to work long hours, they wanted to work those hours, and in not so particularly safe conditions, or else they would of worked somewhere else. Once capitalism took off, there were more companies for workers too chose where to work, so the workers naturally gravitated to the more safer and high paying jobs. The middle class was created despite government intervention.
@MMAGRO1 And you are insinuating a magical free market that never exist created the middle class. dude look ate the tax rates for the top 1 percent during the years 1940-1970. they were progressive. That give the government money for projects like roads, schools ,and etc. which created jobs. Capitalism does work. but its has to be regulated and the rich should pay there far share in taxs
@ymkamara420 Ok first of all.. stating that free markets never existed back during the industrial revolution and before then is just insanely stupid. You look at the tax rate being high.. but you fail to understand that there were many write offs for businessmen that there effective tax rate was much much lower. The more your tax the rich, the less incentive to become rich. You need to look deeper into those tax rates and not just look at the percentage rate.
@MMAGRO1 "the more your tax the rich, the less incentive to become rich" that is so ignorant. you must love Reagan economics which had done nothing but increase our debt and increase the income of the top one percent by over 300%. and many of those rich offs were tied to actual job creation. we did not just simply cut there taxes. government told them create jobs and if they did not have to pay the higher percentage.
@ymkamara420 The more you tax.. the less income the government receive in taxes, and the less jobs there are. Would you really work for 10 cents on the dollar? Are you that ignorant? The rich were aloud the write off there real estate back then.. that is a huge deduction. Why do you think the rich have off shore bank accounts and need to resort to off shoring. Taxes and regulations, particularly the minimum wage laws. If you like it or not we need to compete with the rest of the world.
@MMAGRO1 wow u are so ignorant. so basically we should make things even easier for the rich. you know what fuck it. lets have child sweat shops so we can really compete will china. wow. the ignorance is amazing, and there never taxed in that way. they would usually tax you at the 70 percent rate after u made over 400,000 dollars. and bush cut taxes TWICE . so where are the fucking jobs
The rich create the jobs weather your like it or not. That is a fact. Now if you are envious (which you sound) then start a business, take a risk, create jobs and if you are successful and become wealthy, that is your reward and that is the motivation for businessmen to create businesses. Once you diminish that motivation, guess what, less entrepreneurship, less jobs, more unemployment. Weather you like it or not.. all jobs are created by these entrepreneurs. We should praise them.
@MMAGRO1 Ford was a fucking progressive. and the rich do not create jobs. (stop watching fox news) the customers create jobs. corporations are sitting on 2 trillion dollars and are not creating any jobs because there is little demand. there is little demand because poor people don't have much money these days. its simple economics really . and dude im a Pharm D student. when i get out of college in a few years. I will be getting paid. so no one is jealous. thank you
@MMAGRO1 and really you what the "free market" of the industrial revolution back? do you know what it was like for poor people back then. U must want the monopolies and horrible working conditions to. yep we should eliminate all our progress for workers and go back to that. smh wow the ignorance
@ymkamara420 Free markets means both free for the business owners and the laborers.. The laborers are free to work were it is safe and clean and pays well. We had that back in the early 1900's. Look at the FORD motor company, the got paid more back then without unions then they do now. Government always seems to know more than the free market and will of the people. Capitalism starts of dirty, but eventually becomes a utopia if you let it run without intervention of the leftists.
@ymkamara420 The tax rates were instituted after booms. Always. So because there was surplus money and times were good taxes were raised. Notice things slowed down and got harder at the end of the 1970's The tax rates were still in effect, with your logic things would have gotten better.
Instead at the beginning of the 80's it took tax rates to be lowered and interest rates to be raised to provoke a recovery.
@sirellyn the debt tripled under Reagan. and yes it slowed down a little but people still had Jobs. The polices of the 80's (Reaganomics) had done nothing but transfer wealth from the poor to the rich.
@ymkamara420 Yes the debt tripled, your point was that higher taxes cause things to go better. Even with the debt, the economy was consider strong later in the 1980s.
And my point still stands. Higher taxes are instituted AFTER an economy becomes strong. Not before. Never do you see large tax hikes and then economic growth.
If an economy is suffering and higher taxes are levied, you see DECLINE.
@sirellyn your point does not stand. look at what thirty years of Reaganomics has done to the working class. The income gap was much smaller when we had progressive tax rates. Unemployment was much smaller when we had progressive tax rates. the last time we taxed the rich as low as we do today was just before the great depression. Then we put in progressive tax rates that helped us get out of the depression.
@ymkamara420 Now you are talking about the income gap and employment, although important, it's separate from the general economy.
The point you've argued and I've maintained is that raising taxes is only successful after an economy is already on the rise.
I've never talked about debt, income gap, or unemployment.
If you have an example where taxes were raise when an economy was going down/suffering, after which things improved (with no other giant factors). Please enlighten me.
@sirellyn what the fuck. i used the great depression as an example. and we did raise taxes and it was successful. income gap and employment is very important and is tied to the general economy . The customer is the job creator. if the middle and working class does not have any money the jobs can not be created. and that leads to the situation we are in today
@ymkamara420 You used the great depression as an example. Recovery from the great depression started in 1938. As soon as the war started it went down, but as soon as the war ended recovery continued. You said taxes were raised from 1940 to 1970, thats not exactly accurate. They started after the war stopped. Taxes were raised after the recovery and the boom started.
If taxes were raised in 1936 or so you'd have a point, but they weren't.
@UtubeMyAccountName Where is your proof Mr. Arm Chair Quarterback? The whole point of this discussion was that you did not get where you are if not for others that helped you. At the very least you could acknowledge some gratitude. And even though it may be hard to understand that you may have learned something other than how to defend your nonsense.
@WassonMC Actually the point of the conversation was to flat out lie about the Founding Fathers, the Constitution, the Articles of Confederation, basically the entire truth of the American Revolution.
My proof, little things called books, (auto)biographies, personal journals, recorded & recovered correspondence, political dispatches, newspapers, basically actual facts.
Gratitude to who? I & my two sisters were raised by a single mother who worked herself ragged to provide for us.
@UtubeMyAccountName Poppycock! Everyone knows books were created by the free market to bamboozle people into believing that freedom and liberty are worth dying for. The truth can only be found on TV from slick looking, suit and tie wearing demagogues who read from a teleprompter and cue cards. The truth has always come from the cue cards. Every American knows that...
@UtubeMyAccountName Sorry, you need to actually back up more than just stating books and journals as a response. At least Tom and his guest actually had references to their thoughts. You do not. And I can care less about you and your family, this is about people who did more for those outside of their own family, and yes they did for you weather you want to admit it or not. So if you want to reply give some actual facts more than just saying books etc. You said lie not me.
WassonMC They had references? You mean his own book?
"...I can('t) care less about you and your family..."
Really, I thought the whole point of govt programs was to help each other. That's an odd argument for someone claiming to be on the side trying to help people, don't you think?
WRONG!!! This man doesn't know what he's talking about! Clearly this man has never read "The Federalist", which is essentially the original intent of the Constitution. John Jay, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton, who wrote them, had NO INTENTION of eliminating state sovereignty. In fact "state sovereignty" is ALL THROUGH The Federalist papers. The Constitution is a "contract" between the sovereign states to form a LIMITED federal government. I urge everyone to read The Federalist for truth.
These are two of the dumbest smart people I've seen. I could address many of the points offered but why bother? Hartman didn't directly quote Paul and try to refute anything he actually said or believes. So the piece is becomes the epitome of a straw-man argument playing on liberal fears of "state Sovereignty." Go back to journalism school dude.
@ymkamara420 Well, for one, they talk about George Washington wanting a stronger federal government for the purposes of national defense and imply that this is contrary to Paul's idea of a weak central government. This is silly, as Paul believes that one of the necessary duties of the federal government is national defense as described in the Constitution not the Articles of Confederation. They clearly didn't research what Paul really believes, so this is a basic hit piece.
Thom fails blatantly to get the BIG picture about the US, along with many progessive Obama voters.
The Pentagon/CIA/DEA/Homeland security/TSA is the worlds largest bureaucracy, that is torturing and killing the 3 rd world peoples, preferably covertly. creating militairy dictatorships around the world. Financiallly controlling them through UN/NATO/IMF/world bank.
This is BAD BIG governent, supported by Taxpayers and the FED spending. Cut it out!
HAHAHAH. Talk about a false premise! As if there are only those two options. The financial crisis proves that the regulators are bought off! The smaller government idea would make it so that the regulators could not have bailed out their friends, the bankers!
Ron Paul has said many times, he is against BIG banks and corporations and bailouts and corporatism. The constitution is also regulation: Glass-Steagall act.
@mjmayerjr When you're you're right. I only watched the first 37 seconds of this and I had to pause it because I was laughing my ass off. That is the same question asked two different ways.
@mjmayerjr We tried small libertarian like government before too and it was called the Articles of Confederation . After 10 years it was a complete failure and scraped in favor of the current constitution and bill of rights. All we need to do is make all political financing public, outlaw campaign contributions and any other form of bribery such a favors, and implement FDRs 2nd bill of economic rights or some variant of it modernized for our modern times.
The is pure Propaganda for weak Minds. Do your OWN research! If you think you are getting Facts out of news you would be WRONG! WAKE UP and Think for yourSELF!
The problem with asking people if they want regulations or not is that you have to understand economics in order to answer that question. People on both sides are just reacting emotionally. Conservatives want jobs and regulation written by corporations, liberals want regulations written by politicians. Either way, someone's getting rich and it's definitely not you. Libertarianism is NOT NOT NOT conservatism. It's Peter Schiff, NOT Art Laffer. Corporations have no power under Schiff.
I don't know what Hartmann is on, but he should be uniting with Paul against big corporations. This idea that libertarianism means every man for himself is just not true. The difference between libertarianism and progressivism is in the delivery system. Libertarians want to empower others to help each other, progressives want a govt program. Both have strong arguments. It's corporatism, not free markets, that is the problem. It's the regulations that are the problem, they're written by corps.
@surfer53 I think it has more to do with Ron's Free Market principles more than anything. Thom agrees with him on Foreign Policy for the most part but he feels as though Ron wouldnt push for legislation enforcing Sherman Anti-Trust Laws which could have helped in breaking up the large corporations we have today.
And even if Ron was aginast Citizens united, there hasnt been much of a campaign on his front to challenge the case. Or get money out of politics for that matter.
@surfer53 And regulations can work if corporate money is removed from Washington. That I think we can slightly agree with, but moreover money needs to removed from the system entirely for us to have any resemblance of politics for the people.
@RegioLunar lol.. RT along with the rest of the mainstream media have plenty of strings attached to the government AND corporations, that get pulled back and forward.
... did you know that? O_o
I like RT, but i'm not naive enough to think they are not bought off to sway public opinion, as appose to "inform"
@2bRealist Duh! No i´m so naive to think russian sponsored internet TV is completely unbiased.
Anyway this doesn´t change the facts. Citizen United enables corporations to legaly buy unlimited amounts of advertising hence they choose who´s to rise or to fall in public opinion therefore this is a defacto merger of corporate power and state.
@RegioLunar Fascism is rule by special interests, whether they be corporate or religious or based on some other narrow interest. If I may coin "Mediocracy" to describe one strain, you can see where RT News fits right in.
Anyone who analyzes the news for you and tells you how how and what and how to think while you're in that comfy alpha state (ensuring that their talking points become your own) is a social engineer and a fascist agent.
In most cases, it begin in preschool. It's still fascism.
@kurd55 You have me mistaken for someone else. More importantly, you have the Libertarians mistaken for Democracts and Republicans. What scares you about freedom? That's an honest question.
Your generalizations are so brazen and so sweeping that even a 5th grader can debunk them. So it raises the question. What are you really afraid of? It's clear why Thom Hartmann would air such dreck, but you're a curious case.
Are you a socialist or something? Why do you hate freedom?
@TheEnneagram No, I know exactly who and what you are. You're an ignorant Randroid that doesn't even know what a second-hander is. And your boorish "freedom" jingoism would be hilarious, if it wasn't so egregious to the point of being depraved. Enjoy your Heaven's Gate "life."
Ron Paul the typical con artist just like his buddy Alex Jones. At least Ron was able to milk the young people to the point he can sell his long time home and move in to his 5 million dollar mansion after he retires from his 30 years on the job doing nothing for a government he hates.
@TheEnneagram Go send him some more money. Funny he had 5 million left over from 2008 and now has a 5 million dollar mansion. Laughing all the way to the bank just like Alex Jones....
@g2000m Deflection? Do you have a substantive question, or or you merely "occupying" YouTube? I deflect nothing. You mistake me for Thom Hartmann or Barack Obama, who are payed to deflect and confuse. Those of us who are in it on principlce and not for the money (including Dr. Paul) have zero interest in deflection. Someone hurt your feelings before you crossed my path. You just might be a lost cause. That's no reason to waste your vote, though. It may be all you're really good for. Cheers.
People have been complaining that the market isnt free enough ever since the time of Willy Brandt. No matter how free the market was set, the failures following it would (and will) be blamed on the market not being free ENOUGH.
gulbirk 3 weeks ago
Ron Paul Right Wing Reactionaries don't care about facts, they care about the myth. The myth they created because without the myth (created truth) the ideology has no basis
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@franks2732 Left wing ProgressaCunts and Thomtards never deal with facts, they deal in emotion and hyperbolee. Like Hope and Change and Yes We Can. Oh and myths, how about the secret Federalist Society. Hmm LOL
truthout911 3 weeks ago
Where does the government get its power and money from to start with? The people. Talking about the government as if it's some magical mystery machine that makes our lives better is sick thinking. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. Reagan was right at the time...the government DID get out of control and its now been hijacked by scoundrels and big business. That's what Ron Paul is saying.
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@truthout911 "If you are being told that Democrats had nothing to do with getting into the wars and you are being woefully misled."
What?! The Dems voted FOR the wars!?
NO!
REALLY!?
YOU DON'T SAY!
That might explain why Occupy REFUSES to be associated with the democratic party,protests the Obama administration (Manning, occupy the courts), and regularly pushes people like Van Jones away in favor of Green and Socialist party people.
helios5868 1 month ago
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@truthout911 "The OccuCunt Movement has said nothing about the NDAA and will run anyone off who protest at their rallys about the war, especially since Obama has continued them."
Objectively verifiable bullshit. Go look at actual Progressive sources and stop lying.
helios5868 1 month ago
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helios5868 1 month ago
@truthout911 so where do u get your news from
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 I learn the are of discernment meaning I dont have one particular source of information. I compare what is out there and then fact check for myself. The problem with ProgressaCunts like you is that you think all the lefties out their tell you the truth. Well they dont. They also sold you on hope and change.. Anything from RT, The young Turds or Hartmann is not to be believed.
truthout911 1 month ago
This nation will not last long without a middle class. The people will rise up against their oppressors as they get hungrier.The main thing that made this country a superpower is the middle class. Sure, a few people are getting rich right now but when the facade peels away and reveals the rotting infrastructure beneath the dollar will crash. This situation is unsustainable. Bring back the middle class, raise the corporate tax back up to 70%, end corporate personhood, reform campaign financing.
ShogaNinja 1 month ago 5
@ShogaNinja Extraordinarily weak-minded view on things. Corporations never paid 70% tax rates. When tax rates were that high we had 100% world domination with zero overseas competition, and many loopholes that kept anyone from paying that much. We do need to work on the weak dollar but that should be done by government spending less.
ghiisga 4 weeks ago
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They never paid the 70% tax because they were only subject to do so if they took the money as profit.Thus they invested in the business, the products were of higher quality (which is plain to see) and the employees made more wages (also plain to see).You should do a little bit more research on the history of our economics before you make broad sweeping statements based in fantasy.Now that taxes are so low,you get paid shit,products suck,and the CEOs make a fortune in taxfree profits.
ShogaNinja 4 weeks ago
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From truthout911, "THe OccuCunt movement has not said one word about the continuing wars." You are a total liar and you know it. Either that or you are completely out of touch with reality. I'm not finding any truth with you truthout911, you discredit yourself.
BannedUfos 1 month ago
Thom should have Ron Paul on this topic. Just to be fair.
Company where not allowed to leave their State before Lincoln passed the National Banking Act.
ie Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions.
I'm actually a federalist but Thom is just ignorant.
Salvysahagun 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 You have no integrity. Did no Libyans die? Thats what's wrong with you people, damn americans like you to hell
hep48 1 month ago
@hep48 yes i do feel bad for the libyans. but they did get rid of there dictator
ymkamara420 1 month ago
Thom, I'm impressed I see you've taken my advice and sped up the tempo of your speaking voice! Good work! It really keeps the audience more engaged and they feel less patronized :)
1.) I'm voting Ron Paul NOT because the libertarian ideology is somehow other than an ideology (replete with discursive traps, appeals to emotion, false constructs, logic flaws, etc) but because he's the only candidate who seems A.) Earnest and B.) Promises to repeal PATRIOT and NDAA and C.) End ALL the wars.
hep48 1 month ago
@hep48 In other words, I'm voting Paul for the SAME REASONS I voted Obama - NO, I didn't believe in Obama's fake FDR/MLK thing (which he didn't deliver on) but because he said he'd repeal PATRIOT, solve economic problems, and END WARS..... BUT he's a proven liar and an arrogant narcissistic murderer NOW. And I don't mean that in a hyperbolic sense. At all ....
hep48 1 month ago
@hep48
Plan to restore America only cuts the Pentagon 15%
Salvysahagun 1 month ago
@ymkamaraCUNT Oh and lets not forget Obama signing the NDAA,. Where are the ProgressaCunts on that. Nowhere, thats where. Again ProgressaCunts talk a good game, but that is it.
truthout911 1 month ago
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"ProgressaCUNTs", that's the vocabulary of Ron Paul supporters. Ronald Reagan was a corporatist fascist who raised taxes and did everything that Ron Pauls says he was against. I'm sick of Libertarians treating him like a prophet. He's not. One thing I've constantly seen from Ron Paul supporters is that they get very hostile and aggresive towards anyone who critiques Ron Paul.
BannedUfos 1 month ago
@BannedUfos thank you
ymkamara420 1 month ago
To provide for the people (e;g. to get the money to pay for everything) one should both cut spending and raise taxes; Ron paul only wants to do half of the job because, like any Republican candidate he's backed by corporate power that would welcome less regulation. h may be good on civil liberties but his social and economic opinions are just crazy.
Regenmacher175 1 month ago 5
There's one good thing about moRon Paul--he's such a Methuselah, he'll croak sooner than the other candidates--probably with a steaming hot load in his Depends. Heh, heh. Let the Randroids mop that shit up! LOL!
kurd55 1 month ago
Libertarian Credo: Every fucker for themselves and anything for a buck.
kurd55 1 month ago
never have i ever heard so many false dichotomies in one clip
dthorste72 1 month ago
SO MUCH STUPID TROLLING!
Seriously, how about arguing about the history (what this video is ABOUT) instead of spitting out pre-made libertarian talking points. We (in general) show the same courtesy to Adam Kokesh and other libertarians when we comment on their videos, how about actually making a point? Strange notion, I know.
helios5868 1 month ago 2
Libertarian Credo: Every fucker for themselves and anything for a buck.
kurd55 1 month ago
@kurd55 Democrat Credo: Every fucker and every buck for big opaque government. Thanks, but no thanks. Fuck your war profiteering and bank bailouts.
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
Rules are a bigger problem than the greedy? Who do you think *made* the rules? It's an equally packaged raw deal.
SaveTheWheat 1 month ago
Libertarian Credo: Every fucker for themselves and anything for a buck.
kurd55 1 month ago
Ron Paul is against the NDAA, the TSA and unjust undeclared wars. He has my vote.
801D012 1 month ago
@801D012 Why didn't Ron Paul take the time to vote against NDAA??? He took the time to go home and rest.... he is a fraud.
g2000m 1 month ago
@801D012 Really? The fact that he's a cretard, denies evolution and global warming, thinks AIDS is spread through casual contact and says the Federal Reserve causes the business cycle when it was orders of magnitude worse before the Fed was established to ameliorate it's viciousness doesn't bother you? You're voting for this fool?
disrxt 1 month ago
@disrxt Yes, no, and yes.
801D012 1 month ago
Wrong....that's why the founders only gave the federal govt. 10 sqaure miles (the district of columbia). You are wrong as the day is long. Fuck you
Mastr9 1 month ago
Why do they always seperate the issues??? These people are so narrow minded because these issues are all intertwined into a giant mess..
JusssMeee444 1 month ago
Thom Hartmann starts the show with arguementum ad populum. lol
MrGreeneggsnham 1 month ago
The bigger the government is, the more power the corporations have over our lives.
GalaktikNinjA 1 month ago 2
@GalaktikNinjA
You have trouble paying attention? If the government isn't larger than the corporations they have no power to stop their tyranny. Big government is synonymous with DEMOCRACY. Small government is synonymous with REPUBLICAN ideals.What do democrats do? The Santa Claus theory. They give presents to the people.What do Republicans do? Try to de-regulate big business, deny global warming, and try to take away freedoms of the people (SOPA,pro-life,patriot act,cutting social programs).
ShogaNinja 1 month ago
media dinosaurs
JCricky1 1 month ago
They did not have al the answers we will ever need until the end of time. The Founders created a framework with which future generations could use to build the governmental structure they need for that specific time. This is why our constitution and governmental bodies are designed for change.
bl4ckm4rk3r 1 month ago
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" "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson
"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson"
You make a mistake in deifying the Founders. Many were deeply flawed characters with a repulsive view on a great number of issues by today's standards.
bl4ckm4rk3r 1 month ago
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"HAHAHAH. Talk about a false premise! As if there are only those two options. The financial crisis proves that the regulators are bought off! The smaller government idea would make it so that the regulators could not have bailed out their friends, the bankers!"
It would also very likely prevent government from policing the industry.
bl4ckm4rk3r 1 month ago
tune in next week as tom explains how the founding fathers were against guns and how the 2nd amendment is actually pro gun control. NLP doesn't work on intelligent folk.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson
"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson
MedicalMarijuanaMini 1 month ago
"I love your Ron Paul. But the fan club scares the fuck out of me (most of the time)." M. Gahndi.
trajan74 1 month ago
ProgressaCunts like Thom prefer to have big govt socialism and live and tyranny and have endless wars and have troops die. This is your loving caring ProgressaCunt
truthout911 1 month ago
@truthout911 dumbass a conservative government put us in two wars
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamoron and Obama continued those wars plus added Libya, CIA color guard Egypt and now Iran. Plus with the help of ProgressaCunts too we got into Iraq and Afghanistan. Dems controlled the Senate at the time of the war resolutions. Tom Dashcel was Majority leader, SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ASSHOLE
truthout911 1 month ago
@truthout911 dumbass. Obama is lost his progressive base for the wars in libya. Progressive had NOTHING to do with iraq and Afghanistan. And just because you are a Dem does not make you a progressive dumbass. One Progressive named Rocky Anderson actually called to have George W. Bush (the dumbass consevative) impeached. Now republicans have been fucking up this nation hard seen Reagan
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamarCunr Senators like John Edwards voted for the Resolutions asshole. And you were one of these Progressacunts talking about Hope and Chanve and Yes We Can, now fhat Obama didnt turn out to be the socialist you made out to be now all of the sudden you are mad. ProgressaCunts along Neocunts started both the wars and are continuing them now/ And asshole Andersons talks a good game, but Cynthia Mckinney was the only congressperson who filed articles against Bush
truthout911 1 month ago
@truthout911 dumb ass Mckinney is a progressive democrat. and yes we are mad Obama lied to us and is governing like a moderate republican. Progressive had nothing to do with these two wars. That all on the Conservatives. And Anderson has been "talking a good game" for years now. He would be the best choice for this country.
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamCUNT I know Mckinney was a Dem, now she is a member of the Greens, but the party affiliation is not the pt. You ProgressaCunts who claimed to be so antiwar and for your values, when people like Mckinney ran for Pres, you didnt support her not when she introduce articles of impeachment. In fact where is the antiwar ProgressaCunts now. You are silent that Obama has continued the wars and expanded them into Pakastan and Libya. You are hypocrites. Progressives are just as guilty
truthout911 1 month ago
@ymkamCunt Democrats in the senate could have filibustered the resolutions back then and they chose not to. ProgressaCunts are just responsible and your silence now is deafening. ProgressaCunts are not saints and its time you face that reality.
truthout911 1 month ago
@truthout911 but it was the republicans that pushed for this. if we had elected the progressive Al gore back in 2000. All this would not have happened. But we got a conservative named Bush.
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamaraCUNT Ever heard of something called a filibuster. Ask Mike Gravel, he knew how to use it or your Uncle Bobby KKK Byrd. Again they could have stopped it and didnt. So both are responsible. Also ProgressaCunts like you like to talk a good game, but when it comes to actions, you are lacking. So quit talking about Anderson, because in the end we all know you will vote for Obama
truthout911 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 there's nothing conservative about that
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UtubeMyAccountName 1 month ago
I saw the title and knew Dislikes were on the way. HAHA!
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Big government regulations favor the rich! What kind of idiotic false choice opinion poll is this? Oh yeah it came from the Washington Post...
xcrazycolbyx 1 month ago
@xcrazycolbyx no they do not.
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 Yeah when a top executive leaves Goldman Sachs to become the regulator for Goldman Sachs, they are completely fair and honest in giving small businesses a chance to put Goldman Sachs out of business... Do you live on earth?
xcrazycolbyx 1 month ago
If we pay taxes, then we should have a say to where the money goes. It is OUR money. The thieves need to be jailed. Reagan is dead and so is his lies of trickle down economics. Now we have the stacked supreme court saying corps are people? These are not dysfunctional families. The entire corporate entity are slavers. Can you say FEMA CAMPS?
lrinax 1 month ago
@lrinax FEMA camps? You're a wing nut fool. Pull an Alex Jones now and tell me to "WAKE UP" or alternately type something with the word 'sheeple' in it. Either way we'll all laugh at you.
disrxt 1 month ago
@disrxt coppertop
MedicalMarijuanaMini 1 month ago
@MedicalMarijuanaMini WTF does that mean? A Duracell battery?
disrxt 1 month ago
@disrxt I do enjoy hearing both sides of everything. If I didn't, I would be a fool. You are welcome to your opinion and I will not call you names or belittle you. It is your free will to do with as you wish. Good luck and the best life has to offer to you and yours.
lrinax 1 month ago 4
Thom... LOL at you my friend... you are clueless! The government IS the Constitution and not this huge... thing! Your point is void
MrFmmcosta 1 month ago
Big goverment is destorying the middle class... Obey are constitution...that's what will fix are country....Let people keep and save and spend the money they earn......ZERO INCOME TAX ON LABOR AND WE WILL TURN THIS AROUND IN NO TIME....
brett583 1 month ago
to all my Ron Paul fans. name one Libertarian country with a healthy middle class that exist today
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 Countries are only as prosperous to the extent that they embrace the free market. I have a question for you: please show one top down government that has not eventually led to war, famine, corruption, or long lines for goods and services!
mjmayerjr 1 month ago
@mjmayerjr the free market does not exist. And im not pushing for a top down government. I'm pushing for a more social government. one that uses tax dollars to pay for education and healthcare for its citizens. Also with strong unions to protect workers. I can name a few countries like Germany Sweden Denmark and Iceland where this has worked and built a strong middle class. Now please name libertarian country that has done the same
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 I don't know of any totally libertarian countries. however, govt has been in charge of education for a long time and has hurt education (no child left behind is a great example & low literacy rates are another: before the advent of govt-controlled schools, literacy was high).
Also, govt has been involved in healthcare for the elderly for a long time too and has failed to keep costs down. Also, the FDA has had a net negative effect on healthcare.
So why would we want MORE of this?
mjmayerjr 1 month ago
@mjmayerjr of course you don't. that because libertarian country would never work. And I said we should provide funding. not the dumb ass bush administration shit. we should pay our teachers more. Also we should have free or low cost college education like the nations i listed. and medicare (Goverenment healthcare) cost American's much less then the private industry. I want smart regulation and government. not big government
ymkamara420 1 month ago 2
@mjmayerjr Somali Republic is a true libertarian government.
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TheEnneagram 1 month ago
Libertarian Credo: Every fucker for themselves and anything for a buck.
kurd55 1 month ago
@kurd55 The ProgressaCunt Maragret Sanger Credo "blacks are weeds that need to be exterminated" Typical white loving liberal
truthout911 1 month ago
So there was no middle class before the new deal? This guy is so far off his rocker. Capitalism and freedom created the middle class.
MMAGRO1 1 month ago
@MMAGRO1 there was no middle class before the new deal. that's a fucking fact
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 How did the new deal create the middle class?
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@UtubeMyAccountName The New Deal succeeded giving people jobs, and it also gave
middle class and lower income citizens added benefits that theyhadn't received from the government. The New Deal for the " common man" , gave working classfamilies Social Security benefits, unemployment benefits, etc. etc.. People in the military got the GI Bill so many men who could not afford to to go to college were able to and given a better opportunity at a better life
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 How was all this new deal bounty financed?
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ymkamara420 1 month ago
@UtubeMyAccountName we taxed the shit out of rich people.
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 Then please explain the explosion of debt during the formative years of the new deal.
Please explain the reasons why there was no real growth of the economy until some new deal era programs were scaled back post war, and govt spending declined.
Please explain how if 'we (by we, I presume you mean the govt, because you nor I have ever taxed anyone) taxed the shit out of rich people', there's no evidence of increased revenue until 'we' started taxing the middle class.
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ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 What are talking about? More money does not mean more revenue, more income means more revenue.
...and several graphs have shown that higher taxes rarely lead to higher revenue
The economy grew at 58%, are you crazy, do you know what that would mean? Oh I see what you did, you counted govt spending. The problem with this counting method is that a great portion of govt spending is financed by debt. That is making your children pay for your unaffordable lifestyle.
UtubeMyAccountName 1 month ago
@UtubeMyAccountName brah if we erased all the tax cuts form Reagan to bush jr. the debt would be much lower. that is a fact. tax cuts do not create jobs. but if u raise taxes and give money to the poor though free education and if needed welfare that creates jobs. and yes i counted government spending. the same government spending that keep decreasing the unemployment rate and kept people in work
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 No, tax cuts don't create jobs directly, but tax hikes don't create jobs at all.
Deficits like all debt result from overspending, not underfunding. If you make $50,000 a year & spend $60,000 you go into debt. To blame your boss/customers for only paying/buying $50,000 is absurd.
The work govt makes are not jobs. Jobs create revenue pay for themselves & increase wealth. Work, which is what govt makes does not create revenue & has to be paid for, which exhausts wealth.
UtubeMyAccountName 1 month ago
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@UtubeMyAccountName dude we where in a fucking war of course the debt is going rise. and yes there is evidence of increased revenue when we (the government) taxed rich people. More taxes means the Government has more money. more money is more revenue by definition. And the economy did grow.the economy grew 58% from 1932 to 1940 in 8 years of peacetime, and then grew 56% from 1940 to 1945 in 5 years of wartime.
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 You must listen to Paul Krugman. He is a socialist so obviously he would think that. There was a middle class before the new deal. The middle class really started to grow out of the industrial revolution. It really became apparent when Ford motor company came to existence. Wiki Industrial revolution.
MMAGRO1 1 month ago
@MMAGRO1 haha. u mean before the unions. where we had people working like slaves.The owners of the early factories often were most interested in hiring a worker cheaply. Thus they employed many women and children. These workers could be hired for lower wages than men. These low-paid employees had to work for as long as 16 hours a day; they were subjected to pressure, and even physical punishment, in an effort to make them speed up production. yeah that was a great middle class. smh
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 You insinuating the unions created the middle class. I'm saying capitalism created the middle class. Sure they had to work long hours, they wanted to work those hours, and in not so particularly safe conditions, or else they would of worked somewhere else. Once capitalism took off, there were more companies for workers too chose where to work, so the workers naturally gravitated to the more safer and high paying jobs. The middle class was created despite government intervention.
MMAGRO1 1 month ago
@MMAGRO1 And you are insinuating a magical free market that never exist created the middle class. dude look ate the tax rates for the top 1 percent during the years 1940-1970. they were progressive. That give the government money for projects like roads, schools ,and etc. which created jobs. Capitalism does work. but its has to be regulated and the rich should pay there far share in taxs
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 Ok first of all.. stating that free markets never existed back during the industrial revolution and before then is just insanely stupid. You look at the tax rate being high.. but you fail to understand that there were many write offs for businessmen that there effective tax rate was much much lower. The more your tax the rich, the less incentive to become rich. You need to look deeper into those tax rates and not just look at the percentage rate.
MMAGRO1 1 month ago
@MMAGRO1 "the more your tax the rich, the less incentive to become rich" that is so ignorant. you must love Reagan economics which had done nothing but increase our debt and increase the income of the top one percent by over 300%. and many of those rich offs were tied to actual job creation. we did not just simply cut there taxes. government told them create jobs and if they did not have to pay the higher percentage.
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 The more you tax.. the less income the government receive in taxes, and the less jobs there are. Would you really work for 10 cents on the dollar? Are you that ignorant? The rich were aloud the write off there real estate back then.. that is a huge deduction. Why do you think the rich have off shore bank accounts and need to resort to off shoring. Taxes and regulations, particularly the minimum wage laws. If you like it or not we need to compete with the rest of the world.
MMAGRO1 1 month ago
@MMAGRO1 wow u are so ignorant. so basically we should make things even easier for the rich. you know what fuck it. lets have child sweat shops so we can really compete will china. wow. the ignorance is amazing, and there never taxed in that way. they would usually tax you at the 70 percent rate after u made over 400,000 dollars. and bush cut taxes TWICE . so where are the fucking jobs
ymkamara420 1 month ago
The rich create the jobs weather your like it or not. That is a fact. Now if you are envious (which you sound) then start a business, take a risk, create jobs and if you are successful and become wealthy, that is your reward and that is the motivation for businessmen to create businesses. Once you diminish that motivation, guess what, less entrepreneurship, less jobs, more unemployment. Weather you like it or not.. all jobs are created by these entrepreneurs. We should praise them.
MMAGRO1 1 month ago
@MMAGRO1 Ford was a fucking progressive. and the rich do not create jobs. (stop watching fox news) the customers create jobs. corporations are sitting on 2 trillion dollars and are not creating any jobs because there is little demand. there is little demand because poor people don't have much money these days. its simple economics really . and dude im a Pharm D student. when i get out of college in a few years. I will be getting paid. so no one is jealous. thank you
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@MMAGRO1 and really you what the "free market" of the industrial revolution back? do you know what it was like for poor people back then. U must want the monopolies and horrible working conditions to. yep we should eliminate all our progress for workers and go back to that. smh wow the ignorance
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 Free markets means both free for the business owners and the laborers.. The laborers are free to work were it is safe and clean and pays well. We had that back in the early 1900's. Look at the FORD motor company, the got paid more back then without unions then they do now. Government always seems to know more than the free market and will of the people. Capitalism starts of dirty, but eventually becomes a utopia if you let it run without intervention of the leftists.
MMAGRO1 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 The tax rates were instituted after booms. Always. So because there was surplus money and times were good taxes were raised. Notice things slowed down and got harder at the end of the 1970's The tax rates were still in effect, with your logic things would have gotten better.
Instead at the beginning of the 80's it took tax rates to be lowered and interest rates to be raised to provoke a recovery.
sirellyn 1 month ago
@sirellyn the debt tripled under Reagan. and yes it slowed down a little but people still had Jobs. The polices of the 80's (Reaganomics) had done nothing but transfer wealth from the poor to the rich.
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 Yes the debt tripled, your point was that higher taxes cause things to go better. Even with the debt, the economy was consider strong later in the 1980s.
And my point still stands. Higher taxes are instituted AFTER an economy becomes strong. Not before. Never do you see large tax hikes and then economic growth.
If an economy is suffering and higher taxes are levied, you see DECLINE.
sirellyn 1 month ago
@sirellyn your point does not stand. look at what thirty years of Reaganomics has done to the working class. The income gap was much smaller when we had progressive tax rates. Unemployment was much smaller when we had progressive tax rates. the last time we taxed the rich as low as we do today was just before the great depression. Then we put in progressive tax rates that helped us get out of the depression.
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 Now you are talking about the income gap and employment, although important, it's separate from the general economy.
The point you've argued and I've maintained is that raising taxes is only successful after an economy is already on the rise.
I've never talked about debt, income gap, or unemployment.
If you have an example where taxes were raise when an economy was going down/suffering, after which things improved (with no other giant factors). Please enlighten me.
sirellyn 1 month ago
@sirellyn what the fuck. i used the great depression as an example. and we did raise taxes and it was successful. income gap and employment is very important and is tied to the general economy . The customer is the job creator. if the middle and working class does not have any money the jobs can not be created. and that leads to the situation we are in today
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 You used the great depression as an example. Recovery from the great depression started in 1938. As soon as the war started it went down, but as soon as the war ended recovery continued. You said taxes were raised from 1940 to 1970, thats not exactly accurate. They started after the war stopped. Taxes were raised after the recovery and the boom started.
If taxes were raised in 1936 or so you'd have a point, but they weren't.
sirellyn 1 month ago
This is just sad, these two are flat out lying.
UtubeMyAccountName 1 month ago
@UtubeMyAccountName Where is your proof Mr. Arm Chair Quarterback? The whole point of this discussion was that you did not get where you are if not for others that helped you. At the very least you could acknowledge some gratitude. And even though it may be hard to understand that you may have learned something other than how to defend your nonsense.
WassonMC 1 month ago
@WassonMC Actually the point of the conversation was to flat out lie about the Founding Fathers, the Constitution, the Articles of Confederation, basically the entire truth of the American Revolution.
My proof, little things called books, (auto)biographies, personal journals, recorded & recovered correspondence, political dispatches, newspapers, basically actual facts.
Gratitude to who? I & my two sisters were raised by a single mother who worked herself ragged to provide for us.
UtubeMyAccountName 1 month ago
@UtubeMyAccountName Poppycock! Everyone knows books were created by the free market to bamboozle people into believing that freedom and liberty are worth dying for. The truth can only be found on TV from slick looking, suit and tie wearing demagogues who read from a teleprompter and cue cards. The truth has always come from the cue cards. Every American knows that...
xcrazycolbyx 1 month ago
@UtubeMyAccountName Sorry, you need to actually back up more than just stating books and journals as a response. At least Tom and his guest actually had references to their thoughts. You do not. And I can care less about you and your family, this is about people who did more for those outside of their own family, and yes they did for you weather you want to admit it or not. So if you want to reply give some actual facts more than just saying books etc. You said lie not me.
WassonMC 1 month ago
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WassonMC They had references? You mean his own book?
"...I can('t) care less about you and your family..."
Really, I thought the whole point of govt programs was to help each other. That's an odd argument for someone claiming to be on the side trying to help people, don't you think?
UtubeMyAccountName 1 month ago
Hey Thom, you fuck with Paul you fuck with all liberty lovers!
PalmTrall 1 month ago
BIG PICTURE ABOUT RON PAUL WITHOUT RON PAUL?CHANGE YOUR NAME TO SMALL PICTURE TO BE MORE APROPRIATE...
slodok9 1 month ago
Sooooooo big government is really working well??????????? Hmmmmmm.....I must have missed that news bite...Hehehehhehehehee!!!!!!!
PaulJFleischer 1 month ago
WRONG!!! This man doesn't know what he's talking about! Clearly this man has never read "The Federalist", which is essentially the original intent of the Constitution. John Jay, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton, who wrote them, had NO INTENTION of eliminating state sovereignty. In fact "state sovereignty" is ALL THROUGH The Federalist papers. The Constitution is a "contract" between the sovereign states to form a LIMITED federal government. I urge everyone to read The Federalist for truth.
kkboldt 1 month ago
RT is indispensible for information about the US: checkout the Max Keizer reports and cry.
Luutzen007 1 month ago
Obama has "leaded" the US into the Afghan and Lybian "Killing fields", bombing children, infants, babies to death for "a Few dollars more".
His brother, MLK, would NOT be amused, that is fo sure.
Luutzen007 1 month ago
These are two of the dumbest smart people I've seen. I could address many of the points offered but why bother? Hartman didn't directly quote Paul and try to refute anything he actually said or believes. So the piece is becomes the epitome of a straw-man argument playing on liberal fears of "state Sovereignty." Go back to journalism school dude.
ScipioAmericanus 1 month ago
@ScipioAmericanus please point them out.
ymkamara420 1 month ago
@ymkamara420 Well, for one, they talk about George Washington wanting a stronger federal government for the purposes of national defense and imply that this is contrary to Paul's idea of a weak central government. This is silly, as Paul believes that one of the necessary duties of the federal government is national defense as described in the Constitution not the Articles of Confederation. They clearly didn't research what Paul really believes, so this is a basic hit piece.
ScipioAmericanus 1 month ago
Thom fails blatantly to get the BIG picture about the US, along with many progessive Obama voters.
The Pentagon/CIA/DEA/Homeland security/TSA is the worlds largest bureaucracy, that is torturing and killing the 3 rd world peoples, preferably covertly. creating militairy dictatorships around the world. Financiallly controlling them through UN/NATO/IMF/world bank.
This is BAD BIG governent, supported by Taxpayers and the FED spending. Cut it out!
Luutzen007 1 month ago
HAHAHAH. Talk about a false premise! As if there are only those two options. The financial crisis proves that the regulators are bought off! The smaller government idea would make it so that the regulators could not have bailed out their friends, the bankers!
This is pure nonsense!
mjmayerjr 1 month ago 8
@mjmayerjr
Ron Paul has said many times, he is against BIG banks and corporations and bailouts and corporatism. The constitution is also regulation: Glass-Steagall act.
Luutzen007 1 month ago
@mjmayerjr When you're you're right. I only watched the first 37 seconds of this and I had to pause it because I was laughing my ass off. That is the same question asked two different ways.
UtubeMyAccountName 1 month ago
@mjmayerjr We tried small libertarian like government before too and it was called the Articles of Confederation . After 10 years it was a complete failure and scraped in favor of the current constitution and bill of rights. All we need to do is make all political financing public, outlaw campaign contributions and any other form of bribery such a favors, and implement FDRs 2nd bill of economic rights or some variant of it modernized for our modern times.
Phenixtri 1 month ago
RT's turning pussy.
sh4p3shifter 1 month ago
@sh4p3shifter Hell yeah!
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
The is pure Propaganda for weak Minds. Do your OWN research! If you think you are getting Facts out of news you would be WRONG! WAKE UP and Think for yourSELF!
Oceanno69 1 month ago
@Oceanno69 Hell yeah!
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Libertarian Credo: Every fucker for themselves and anything for a buck.
kurd55 1 month ago
The problem with asking people if they want regulations or not is that you have to understand economics in order to answer that question. People on both sides are just reacting emotionally. Conservatives want jobs and regulation written by corporations, liberals want regulations written by politicians. Either way, someone's getting rich and it's definitely not you. Libertarianism is NOT NOT NOT conservatism. It's Peter Schiff, NOT Art Laffer. Corporations have no power under Schiff.
surfer53 1 month ago
Big Government Regulations = An Economy for the Few
jjbiano 1 month ago 2
I don't know what Hartmann is on, but he should be uniting with Paul against big corporations. This idea that libertarianism means every man for himself is just not true. The difference between libertarianism and progressivism is in the delivery system. Libertarians want to empower others to help each other, progressives want a govt program. Both have strong arguments. It's corporatism, not free markets, that is the problem. It's the regulations that are the problem, they're written by corps.
surfer53 1 month ago 3
@surfer53 I think it has more to do with Ron's Free Market principles more than anything. Thom agrees with him on Foreign Policy for the most part but he feels as though Ron wouldnt push for legislation enforcing Sherman Anti-Trust Laws which could have helped in breaking up the large corporations we have today.
And even if Ron was aginast Citizens united, there hasnt been much of a campaign on his front to challenge the case. Or get money out of politics for that matter.
biggydx 1 month ago
@surfer53 And regulations can work if corporate money is removed from Washington. That I think we can slightly agree with, but moreover money needs to removed from the system entirely for us to have any resemblance of politics for the people.
biggydx 1 month ago
RT = FASCISM
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
@TheEnneagram Actually Citizens United = fascism
fascism = merger of corporations and government did you know that?
RegioLunar 1 month ago
@RegioLunar lol.. RT along with the rest of the mainstream media have plenty of strings attached to the government AND corporations, that get pulled back and forward.
... did you know that? O_o
I like RT, but i'm not naive enough to think they are not bought off to sway public opinion, as appose to "inform"
2bRealist 1 month ago
@2bRealist Duh! No i´m so naive to think russian sponsored internet TV is completely unbiased.
Anyway this doesn´t change the facts. Citizen United enables corporations to legaly buy unlimited amounts of advertising hence they choose who´s to rise or to fall in public opinion therefore this is a defacto merger of corporate power and state.
RegioLunar 1 month ago
@RegioLunar Fascism is rule by special interests, whether they be corporate or religious or based on some other narrow interest. If I may coin "Mediocracy" to describe one strain, you can see where RT News fits right in.
Anyone who analyzes the news for you and tells you how how and what and how to think while you're in that comfy alpha state (ensuring that their talking points become your own) is a social engineer and a fascist agent.
In most cases, it begin in preschool. It's still fascism.
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
@TheEnneagram "Fascism is rule by special interests"
Actually the "founder" of fascism had a quite precise discription in mind. Maybe you should learn definitions rather than trying to make up your own?
RegioLunar 1 month ago
@RegioLunar Si preferisce discutere la fondazione del fascismo in italiano?
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
Libertarian Credo: Every fucker for themselves and anything for a buck.
kurd55 1 month ago
@kurd55 How's that ignorance working out for you?
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
@TheEnneagram How's that second-hander delusion working out for you, sucker?
kurd55 1 month ago
@kurd55 You have me mistaken for someone else. More importantly, you have the Libertarians mistaken for Democracts and Republicans. What scares you about freedom? That's an honest question.
Your generalizations are so brazen and so sweeping that even a 5th grader can debunk them. So it raises the question. What are you really afraid of? It's clear why Thom Hartmann would air such dreck, but you're a curious case.
Are you a socialist or something? Why do you hate freedom?
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
@TheEnneagram No, I know exactly who and what you are. You're an ignorant Randroid that doesn't even know what a second-hander is. And your boorish "freedom" jingoism would be hilarious, if it wasn't so egregious to the point of being depraved. Enjoy your Heaven's Gate "life."
kurd55 1 month ago
@kurd55 Or neoliberalism reloaded...
RegioLunar 1 month ago
Keynesian idiocy
frontman83 1 month ago
Just say "NO" to Socialism.
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
RON PAUL!
kimintexas 1 month ago
Ron Paul the typical con artist just like his buddy Alex Jones. At least Ron was able to milk the young people to the point he can sell his long time home and move in to his 5 million dollar mansion after he retires from his 30 years on the job doing nothing for a government he hates.
g2000m 1 month ago
@g2000m Thom Hartmann is as convincing as Alex Jones. At least "Barack" was able to milk the young people ...
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
@TheEnneagram Go send him some more money. Funny he had 5 million left over from 2008 and now has a 5 million dollar mansion. Laughing all the way to the bank just like Alex Jones....
g2000m 1 month ago
@g2000m Any vote in the 2008 General Election was a vote for "Barack Obama". Did YOU vote in that preordained charade?
Meanwhile, Alex Jones was on RT America just yesterday. They're all skeezy.
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
@TheEnneagram Deflection, deflection, just one more part of Ron Paul's deception.
g2000m 1 month ago
@g2000m Deflection? Do you have a substantive question, or or you merely "occupying" YouTube? I deflect nothing. You mistake me for Thom Hartmann or Barack Obama, who are payed to deflect and confuse. Those of us who are in it on principlce and not for the money (including Dr. Paul) have zero interest in deflection. Someone hurt your feelings before you crossed my path. You just might be a lost cause. That's no reason to waste your vote, though. It may be all you're really good for. Cheers.
TheEnneagram 1 month ago
RON HERP!! 20DERP!!
503burnside 1 month ago