Re: Water Fuel - HHO

[coolcat12121]

how can you explain him touching the flame

[Seekmosttoprophesy]

hydrogen burns at various temperatures depending on what it comes in contact with. The torch is HHO because it comes from water that when broken apart, becomes two parts hydrogen to every one part of oxygen so the two gasses are being used. As a matter of fact, the two gasses can be made separately from water and they can be easily issolated from each other and any other gasses. Check it out, it is a lot of fun but don't hurt yourself.

[CodeMercenary]

Yes, I'm aware that electrolysis can separate hydrogen from oxygen. What I'm refuting, here, is that you can get free energy from this process.

[Seekmosttoprophesy]

It is free IF your electricity is free.

[frosty956]

AHH YES! finally someone who know what they are talking about and dont take psuedo-scientific crap! i think the real reason hydrogen isnt used in cars is the fact that the energy density of hydrogen gas is MUCH (a couple of thousand times) lower than ordinary petrol....it may be very hot...but theres notmuch ctual energy there...eg. its easy to heat up a litre of water to boiling with an electric kettle.. but try and heat up a lake with the same...

[CodeMercenary]

Yep. Not to mention the fact that combustion of hydrogen in the proximity of steel will make steel extremely brittle.

[dudewhatthehellman]

basically the gas would be a catalyst?

[CodeMercenary]

A gasoline catalyst? A catalyst for what? Also, gasoline is a fuel--if you used it as a catalyst, you'd be wasting quite a bit of energy.

[dudewhatthehellman]

u sed the gasoline is used to lower the temperature of rreaction, or else it wud melt the car right? catalysts r substances that reduce the amount of energy needed by the molecules to react, so i thought the gas was being used as a catalyst...

[CodeMercenary]

That's kind of different from what I meant. The reason that the reaction temperature is reduced is because the hydrogen reaction is being diluted by a gasoline reaction. The hydrogen still burns at its normal temperature, but it's cooled off by the gasoline combustion.

[dudewhatthehellman]

ooooo ok ok thnx alot dude

[jesokingcryst]

"Solar powered" touch:

solar power -> HHO -> welding & stuff

[CodeMercenary]

Yes, that's certainly something that will work, except that the resulting gas is going to be combustable and at a stoichiometric ratio, meaning it would be very dangerous to work with. Also, you can't get free energy out of such a setup.

[itslegit]

Sorry dude...do some research.

HHO is a "browns gas" rip off.

No invention, just marketing.

Google "Browns Gas"

[CodeMercenary]

I'm not supporting HHO gas. And I didn't need to do much research, as the chemical's properties as described by the discoverers clearly violates the laws of physics.

[masterchief3k]

haha, nice pooh bear mr. science!

:D

[MikeKLP]

and you look like your about 17 and probably finished a year or two or chemistry. I wouldnt really rip on him since the only shit you have to say is based on assumptions as well.

[CodeMercenary]

I'm 20. My major is in physics. What does any of that have to do with my argument?

[N0TShm33]

wow why would you even make a video that just puts other people down or proves them wrong

[CodeMercenary]

If someone is wrong and many people think they are right, then you should attempt to prove them wrong.

[avlove26]

what he is doing, you cannot possibly prove him wrong by watching this newscast on youtube....

so either way, you should do more research before you do a "reaction video" did your boyfriend watch this? was he proud?

[CodeMercenary]

I know average people, like yourself, don't realize that it's possible to use tools math and science in the real world, but actually it is. For example, if you were to claim you took a turn at an intersection at 50 mph, I could use the power of math to tell you that you're an idiot. At this point I'd wish you luck in learning about the conservation of energy laws, but I know people like you usually die stupid. Do you think evolution is a lie, too?

[OrganicDrew]

I am a scientist and electrical engineer and inventor trust me when I am saying he's going about it the wrong way, all he must do to regulate the temp is diffuse the gas with common air, at 78% nitrogen before it is combusted to eliminate the eddy cone effect

[OrganicDrew]

Your wrong,

1.) the fuel he is using is HH+O but they are not connected it is a stoykialmetric "mixture" not molecule

2.) Hydrogen is safer than Gasoline for many reasons mostly because it moves upward due to buoyancy and it is easily diffused by 78% nitrogen in air

3.) hydrogen and oxygen is produced (ON DEMAND) therefore no fuel exists to be dangerous until the point of combustion in small amounts AS IT IS NEEDED.

[jbszee]

1. You might be more credible if you could spell stoichiometric;

2. Hydrogen is not safer than gasoline. Energy density is very poor; it embrittles metals; and it is explosive at a wide range of concentrations;

3. There must be an energy source to electrolyze the water to hydrogen and oxygen, so where is that energy coming from?

I know!!!! He hid a Mr. Fusion in the trunk!

[CodeMercenary]

Lol. Sounds like that must be the way they did it.

[ekuwa69]

So then we could start to use hydrogen mixed with gasoline to improve gas milage. Also these hydrogen torches seem as they would be better to use than a typical oxyacetelyine torche.

[CodeMercenary]

Acetlyine is explosive, corrosive, toxic, and (obviously) highly flammible and can melt through steel. The precautions that need to be taken to ensure you don't kill yourself while working around this chemical are numerous. And yet, we still use it. Why? Because hydrogen is more dangerous. Did you get that? People use acetelyine because hydrogen is more dangerous. Now think about carrying around a tank of this stuff in your car, and you'll see why it's not that good of an idea.

[ekuwa69]

How is hydrogen more dangerous, other than that fact that it's highly explosive.

[CodeMercenary]

It's more energetic. Almost three times more energy per unit volume of hydrogen than there is in acetelyine. Hydrogen is some dangerous stuff.

[mozon1967]

He means compressed hydrogen. Hydrogen on demand is much safer than either gasoline or acetylene(Not to mension much less toxic). Oxyhydrogen, Browns gas, HHO (or whatever you want to call it),these torches were in use in the 1930's and then disapeared. Welding Manufacturing catalogues had them listed. General Electric is suposed to be manufacturing one now. Check out the vid on UT "Atomic Hydrogen Torch" .

[GkillerDogg]

browns gas. belive it, sure is.

[CodeMercenary]

Well, he's referring to HHO as though it was some kind of new gas. Whatever he's using in his torch certainly isn't HHO--if it were, the tip of the torch would heat up because the combustion would occur in the welding head as it does with Oxyacetelyine torches. Water torches are in use today by jewelers and electronics technicians, and hydrogen-burning cars are nothing new (though the temperatures generated by hydrogen combustion are dangerous because they can melt steel).

[juggernautxtr]

well as someone who knows how to weld, you just made yourself look really stupid in my eyes. there is NO combustion inside the tip in either case. it would cause a pressure drop in the regulator valves therefore shutting the fuel off, because the flame would travel back in the cylinders and cause a terrific explosion. next time you want to refer to welding make sure you know what your talking about.

[CodeMercenary]

Then why do oxy-acetylene torch tips get hot? Also, you can't get a flame traveling back into the cylinders the way you described. Maybe back to the shutoff valve, but unless you have a fuel/air mix no combustion can take place there.

[stancruse]

HHO might not be recognized as a molecule, and perhaps water split is simply 2 parts H and 1 part O separated, but Denny Klein is burning the H the H and the O in his "water torch" whether you recognize HHO or not. It's "nothing new?" You're right, it was used over 30 years ago by Stan Meyer, but it IS new to the rest of us. Can change the world my friend.