6 big fights & all of his OPPONENTS were all 40 yrs of age........ THE GREAT WHITE HOPE.......like Jack Johnson had to go against, they could of told Louis & them to lose or else.... NEVER TRUST WHITE MEN from those times......BERT knows he was right there, why he made excuse for him 'take nothing from this man'...... FATHER TIME IS THE TRUE CHAMP, UNDEFEATED!
You can't say there is one best boxer because it's about matchups. For ex., Ali lost to Frazier one out of 3, Foreman koed Frazier twice, but Ali defeated Foreman. Marciano was much harder to hit than people realize too. It is about matchups. The record 49-0 with 43 kos is no joke either.
Tyson in his prime would've put Rocky down no doubt but I think he would practically have to kill him to get him to stop. Marciano could get up after being hit by a bus.
who cares boxing is boxing all these legends are great fighters who paved the way and made boxing great..wheather tyson, rocky,ali, jack dempsey, "Kid" Mcoy, and all others..im black but it doesnt matter wheather they were black ,white or spanish...all of these fighters had something to bring to the ring and show the rest of the world there own skill
This dude is a true boxing fanatic i'd love him to explain this to my friends who think rocky marciano is the best fighter ever he fought all nobodys and people past there prime Ali=greatest heavyweight of all time Suger Ray Robinson= Best boxer of all time do some research ppl
Great shot.........not as hard as shavers on Holmes but legend!!!!!!!!!!, no man is invincible, just becuase of their record however.....(Marciano and Floyd)
People make some real stupid comments.Rocky was the man in his time.And,sorry he set the bar so high..Nuff Said...When someone else beats his pro record then brag.You look goofy when you rag on the best...
Umm klitchko kicked lewis' ass into retirement but anyway this is about marciano, the fighter no blacks like to talk about because he whipped all their asses.
Italians and eastern europeans are the toughest white people. Don't fuck with us.
@BlacknesUnforgivable the unfortunate thing is. is that people might actually give a fuck about what you had to say if you didn't go bitching about white guys
@BlacknesUnforgivable They werent really bums they were just older ..lol Today he would be a lightheavy weight possibly even a middleweight because he would cut weight. If Marciano, would have fought in this era he would have modern trainers and equipment to help him hone his tools. Like Mr Sugar said its really hard to rate him because he fought older champions or contenders. I think Joe louis was better because he had better boxing skills but who really knows oh yea im white keep it real *_^_*
Marciano would take a beating for a whole fight just to find the right moment to knock a fighter out with one punch. That's how he was different and that why is often underrated.
@b7r7u7c7e You can say that about any of the fighters who he beat, not just Foreman or Tyson. The fact is Marciano didn't get knocked out. Foreman said Gerry Cooney was one of the three hardest hitters he ever faced but Foremen still knocked Cooney out.
Rocky Marciano only fought top fighters after they were over the hill and should have been retired. He was a bum and he did not go undefeated as posted previously. He lost to Coley Wallace. In 1948 Coley Wallace won......a split decision vs. Rocky Marciano in the semi-final of the New York Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions. Some of his fights were obviously fixed. He would get knocked out by all of the real top heavyweights....please!!!!
Bert Sugar is an idiot. Charles was 30, Louis 37, Walcott 38, Moore 38. How do four numbers under 40 average 40?
The answer is, it doesn't. It's 35.75. Guys averaging 35 sounds a lot different than guys averaging 40. And Louis said Walcott was in his prime, and Moore was champ. Most said Ezzard Charles was in the best shape of his life. So, he's a twit.
@Ztnarf1985 You idiot. You can't count. I gave you information on every fight, and showed you the average. And you still come up with a stupid remark like that? What's wrong with my numbers, dumb ass?
@TA152H01 everyone on youtube is the smartest person alive numbers from where ? your ass ? maybe you should go find some pussy dude and get off youtube ...
@Ztnarf1985 You're dumber than dumb. You criticize someone for being on Youtube while you're posting on it? What kind of simple minded, donkey bred, dumb ass are you?
Look up the numbers yourself on Google, you brainless twit. They're all legit. Boxrec is a good site, if you're too stupid to use Google.
@Ztnarf1985 everyone on youtube is the smartest person alive numbers from where ? your ass ? maybe you should go find some pussy dude and get off youtube ...
Marciano is lucky he didn't face Louis in his prime. As fate would have it Louis had to check out of the nursing home to experience the suzie q. A young Tyson would have blasted Marciano's brains out (Jab, slip, goodnight!)
Since all 1970s + heavyweights have fought on steroids its not surprising that many have appeared comparably bulkier figures in the ring. But pound for pound Marciano was a far more powerful fighter. We are only left to speculate, but I would suppose that the Suzie Q turbo charged with growth hormone would literally have punched wholes through the last great generation of black fighters.
tyson would win the first rounds on points probably but then his stamina would give way and rocky would increase his own work load catching tyson with 4 or 5 huge punches in succession taking him to the canvas
i don't know where these people get thier facts from but tyson did not hit harder than marciano, marciano had enough power in his right hand to spot lift 1000lbs one foot up off the ground, it's been scientifically measured. as soon as tyson needed to see fear in his opponent, in rocky he would see nothing and this would unsettle tyson. the fight would begin with tyson getting off a few good blows but marciano would keep coming forward
@hoppuss44 They punched differently; Tyson's power was generated mostly by the speed(fast twitch muscle) that moved his mass. RM's power started from the floor w/incredible leverage, torque, momentum & inertia. Watch the 12 clean unanswered shots Tyson hit Thomas with, as opposed to the Walcott ko, or the last 3 shots Rocky hit Louis with. Sure, RM was slower, but when he landed, there was enough torque behind his punch to multiply his body weight 5 times(1000ft lbs)! Ur right, RM hit harder!
Mike Tyson never won a fight in which he was knocked down, fool. HAHAHA. Tyson down is equal to Tyson loses. Marciano would have gotten his ass up and hit Tyson with a blockbuster that would have sent him to "night night". Deal with it!
@HiMyNameIsRoss not to mention.Listen to Ali talk to Howard Cossell.The biggest trash talker in the history of boxing couldn't believe how much power was behind Marciano's hooks. Joe Frazier hit hard and put Ali on his ass. We all know how good Frazier was. He was one of the best and could knock you out cold with that vicious left hook. Listen to Ali talk as he says without hesitation,Marciano's punches were much harder than Frazier's.And trust Ali, Rocky was a brawler who could take punches!
tyson was a great fighter but could not take a punch and would run out of gas in three rounds,rocky on the other hand was much fitter,could take a beating and had a harder punch,they tested rockys punch and it had as much force as an armour piercing bullet,it would be a close fight but rocky would knock him out before the end
@EmmaHayes18 No it wouldn't have been remotely close . Tyson not only hit way harder than Marciano or anyone Marciano ever fought , but his speed advantage and much higher accuracy would have overwhelmed Marciano quickly . Marciano would never have even tried to fight today's HWs , he was 185 pounds . He would MAYBE be a top 15 LHW today , but I doubt it . He couldn't beat Andre Ward who probably weighs 180 when he steps in the ring .
@MindofaJedi Marciano could have fought at a heavier weight but he stayed at 185 because that's exactly what his trainer wanted him to do (i know you probably never read his bio). Keeping him at 185 made it easier for Rock to stay down low in a crouch position. He'd coil up and keep coming at you. At the same time he was not an easy target to hit. Someone has a video of Rocky Marciano underrated defense highlights.Great vid.No one had a stronger right than Rock..and Tyson has such glass jaw.
@pnpny04 Tyson would never have been dropped by a middleweight so , chin advantage is clearly in Tyson's favor. Tyson hits much much harder , and was more accurate . We also can't forget the tremendous speed disadvantage Marciano would have . Holmes , Foreman , Tyson , Lennox Lewis , Klitschko all have more power in their right hands . Lewis would have kod Marciano with one right cross . Foreman would have ended his career in under a round . He fought in the weakest era ever , post WW2.
@MindofaJedi Marciano could have easily sent a 255 pound man to sleep with Suzie Q. Sorry if it hurts your feelings but a white italian would have destroyed Tyson because he would have refused to be beaten. 49-0 The only one to ever do it. End of story.
What made Marciano great was that he had the heart of true champion, if u look at him he is just 5 feet 10 inches with not so great footwork or speed either all he had was a very powerful right hand... Inspite of this this guy went down to podium twice i.e in his entire career the refree counted on him twice. I think that's why he was the champ the sheer determination made him great . That's why he is an ideal role model for everyone u can have ur shortcomings in whatever u do but if u contd...
Tyson would have dealt crushing punishment to Rocky. But, in the days of no losing due to knockdowns....Rocky would keep getting back up. His punches were insanely strong from any angle. Tyson never recovered from a knockdown fight. He never won a fight in which he was knocked down. Rocky could have and would have put him down. I give the edge to Prime Rocky vs Prime Tyson. Tyson had everyone scared of him.....Rocky would not have been.
Tyson would have dealt crushing punishment to Rocky. But, in the days of no losing due to knockdowns....Rocky would keep getting back up. His punches were insanely strong from any angle. Tyson never recovered from a knockdown fight. He never won a fight in which he was knocked down. Rocky could have and would have put him down. I give the edge to Prime Rocky vs Prime Tyson. Tyson had everyone scared of him.....Rocky would not have been.
Marciano was the best conditioned fighter who ever lived...tough...great power...great chin...great heart...great stamina...never gave up..kept on coming!!!
@yelramyelram well rocky is was a real man, he wouldn't want to be hugging and rolling around on the floor in tight shorts with other men, something homosexual about that, but they say that a large amount of thai boxers are gay anyway, say hi to your boyfriend for me
@ThaWomanizer maybe under MMA rules, but boxing rules, they wouldn't stand a chance againstt prime yson, ali rocky roy jones or any other great boxer. I'm not ranting on MMA, i like MMA just like I like boxing, but boxers are specialized in punches. Most MMA fighters are specialized in ground fighting (mostly BJJ). So ofcourse a boxer wouldn't stand a chance in the octagon when he is taken to the ground, he is not traint for that. But when it comes to punching, the boxer will dominate the fight
What made Rocky considerably greater than his opponents was his training. The man was a freaking monster when it came to training. He was such in tremendous shape, that he punched and pursued his opponents with the same ferociousness and tenacity in the last round as fresh as him coming out of the first round! Rocky literally out lasted his opponents who just tire themselves out trying to keep up with Rocky but as always to NO avail. Just look at his fight films to see my point!
Size means nothing. Rocky ahd an abundance of natural. bull like strength and an iron chin. It took 2 all time great punchers to drop him, and both were flash knockdowns.
Not one boxer could take a lick flush on the chin from Marciano...in his age or after. If you take that punch you go.....you just go. "Ferdie Pacheco."
@fishtank0 Archie Moore said that fighting Marciano was like fighting an airplane propellor. The man was absolutely tireless, with an iron jaw and punches that landed like atomic bombs. He threw an unbelievable number of punches every round, and every one of 'em hurt. How many other heavyweights in boxing history have actually br...oken the arms of their opponents? No question in my mind, there's never been a heavyweight who could've beaten Rocky Marciano in his prime.
Tyson would have stood no chance against Marciano. With Rocky, it wasn't so much that he couldn't be beaten (in regards his height/weight/reach), but that he wouldn't be beaten. Tyson, like many other fighters over the last 40 years, would have won many rounds against Marciano...until Marciano knocked them out.
he could fight hard for 10 rounds, getting his opposite exhausted, and then ko them in the last 5, Marciano is always underrated, and thinking about him, he really hurted his opponents, he had fists of stone, he almost killed vingo in only 5 rounds, prime marciano could've standed a chance against any big boxer, Liston, Tyson, Foreman, Ali.
@BuckPaladin I agree. Tyson hit hard, but he didn't have" The Rock's" heart. How many times was Marciano behind on the Scorecard, and found a way to win? If I remember right Rocky survived a 1st round knockdown in his first fight with "Jersey Joe" Walcott (who had a whole bucket-full of heart).
no way, marciano would have to do be winning from bell one. he only fights one way, and tyson takes a very good punch. rocky would need to beat him up for a few rounds. tyson, on the other hand, could knock anyone out with one punch. if rocky left himself open in round 1, and he would, he could very well be just another KO1 for tyson.
he lost to Lewis after the prison and it was far not the things he was doing before it , in his prime he wal absolutely No1 , klitschko would suck such a dick from prime tyson you cant even imagine and all other boxers'you should admit that tyson is like roy jones , in his prime just unstoppoble , absolutely !!!
@StSimonMartyr Lennox Lewis is a bitch with a glass jaw. The fact that people even mentioning his name under a Rocky Marciano video is a disgrace, in my opinion. They're not even in the same league as human beings, let alone fighters.
@BuckPaladin tyson would fucking kill him, be real man the only reason why tyson ever lost was when he was not training. a 19 year old tyson 219 pounds would put rocky in hospital in the first round
@wZLisEpIC the same 19 year old who could get tillis mitch green and took 10 rounds to get ribalta out of there?? marciano has got up from knockdowns to win fights tyson never has and also when tyson fought a good fighter his size who had good defence like the rock has he was made to look foolish by mathis before koing him and mathis was fat and had no power to hurt tyson with counters
@lee1990lee but you can just look at the two styles and tell tyson would destroy him, tyson only lost when he didn't care for winning, when tyson was 19 he was unbeatable, and jjw gave rock the beating of his life before rock landed that clean right, and a good fighter tysons size?! he was 5'11...
@BuckPaladin hahahhaa , you are joking right ? Marciano would not have gotten out of the first round with Tyson ! What highlights are you watching . Tyson was faster , stronger , better footwork , way harder puncher , better head movement , heavier and KOd guys bigger than anyone Marciano ever fought . Marcianos average opponent was 190 pounds , Tyson's was 230 pounds ! Marciano would have a big cardio edge , but being unconscious in about 90 seconds makes that a non issue .
@BuckPaladin wrong!!! if u looked very closely rocky barely bob and weave,tyson did ecsively and fighters barely landed punches and gave great combinations,rocky guarded himself,thanks 2 cus d amato the peek a boo style great advantage
@fishtank0 ....what language is that ? ebonics? It must be if you think that any of those three "wud" even come close to beating the rock....go get a job!
Bert Sugar is hard to listen to, he's clearly a moron. Why people think he's an expert, I'll never understand.
He listed Walcott I, II, Louis, and Charles I,II, Moore as his most memorable fights and his opponents averaging 40.
38,39,37,32,33, and 38 somehow average 40????
Facts Louis was favored, Walcott was champ, Charles was less than two years older than Marciano, and Moore fought for almost eight more years, winning the light heavyweight championship on the way.
frazier vs marciano would be a fantastic fight because their both aggresive, can hit hard and neither of em knew when to give in but id have to give the advantage to rocky but one things for sure it would be a brutal fight
@bigmanoooo1 Frazier had the weak chin, Marciano didn't. He'd go down, and often. Even Ali said Marciano was a better fighter than Frazier. Frazier had no quit, that's for sure, but his chin wasn't as strong as his will, and his stamina, while very good, wasn't as good as Marciano's.
@TA152H01 marciano was knocked down plenty aswell but he always got up fast and wasnt hurt but rocky was never hit by monsters like foreman, im a fan marciano but youve got to admit he his opposition was weak almost always old men or small men or both
@TA152H01 if rocky had fought the quality of opposition that frazier fought he would have been put down more, foreman would have hit marciano at will he would have played with him
@bigmanoooo1 You keep ignoring that Frazier was knocked down by other opponents, and hurt by other opponents. In reality, Frazier really didn't beat too many good fighters.
Foreman was too slow to play with anyone, and got tired quickly. Foreman Pt.1 also had the weak chin, suffering embarrassing knockdowns to feather fisted Ali and Young, not to mention Lyle, who didn't even hit him too cleanly with some of the punches that hurt Foreman.
@TA152H01 mate marciano took 5 rounds minnimum just to get into range his reach was that short in that time foreman would have turned his face into mashed potato and theres also the fact that rocky wasnt even a heavyweight really and i think ali hit alot harder than youre giving him credit for plus speed equals power ps frazier was never put down by ali
@bigmanoooo1 Actually, getting within range of Foreman would be easy, he didn't attempt to move away.
Almost everyone who fought Ali, including Frazier, said he didn't have power. But, he hurt Frazier every fight. He didn't knock him down, but he buckled his knees and had him moving like a drunk sailor.
Ray Leonard ranks Marciano as one of his top four all time fighters. He doesn't rate Frazier or Foreman there (Ali, Louis, Robinson are the others).
@bigmanoooo1 Well, Frazier and Marciano weren't the same style of fighter. Frazier came head first, and really liked room to loop his left hook. Marciano, late in his career, leaned back and could throw punches from weird angles. He was very unorthodox. Foreman was a lousy fighter, with a big punch. He was terribly slow, very off balanced, and tired easily. Marciano was never seriously hurt, and Foreman couldn't knock down Chuvalo. So, it's not as easy as you make it sound.
@TA152H01 marciano was flat footed and just as slow as foreman but had a woefully short reach (there are flyweights with longer reach) and you may think foreman is a lousy fighter but he was better than anyone rocky beat thats for sure rock beat nobodys except louis who was a shell of his former self and rocky wasnt even a heavyweight
@bigmanoooo1 There's no comparison at all with hand speed between Marciano and Foreman. None. Watch videos.
Marciano beat boxers, Foreman lost to them. He beat Charles, La Starza, etc..., Foreman lost to an old Ali, and Jimmy Young.
Foreman beat no one, except a broken Joe Frazier, and Ken Norton, a guy that lost to everyone with a decent punch (but did bother jabbers). Walcott, Louis, La Starza, Moore, etc... rate better in my book.
@TA152H01 ive watched videos mate and rocky is just as slow and lastarza? lmao who was he? a nobody all rackys opponents were small or old but this convo is going nowhere we are never gonna agree but i think we can agree that marciano vs frazier would be a good fight despite what you think of joe
@bigmanoooo1 If you think Foreman has the same speed as Marciano, there's really not much I can say. Foreman could never have thrown the punch that knocked out Walcott.
You've never heard of Roland LaStarza? He was a slick boxer, and many thought he won his first fight with Marciano - it was close. He was far better than Jimmy Young, although not a great fighter. He said Marciano was 5000% better the second fight.
@TA152H01 frazier fought big strong heavyweights who did rocky fight? charles,walcott louis and moore they were his only opponents of note all well past it and he still struggled
@bigmanoooo1 Charles was 33 when he fought Marciano. That's old?
Frazier beat who? He got the decision against a rusty Ali, but didn't really beat anyone else. He got raped by a slow, off-balance slugger, decked twice by a guy named "Ringo", and had wars with Jerry Quarry, a guy Marciano would have knocked out easily.
Louis was favored against Marciano, Moore fought eight years after that, and won a championship on the way. They were better than Bonavena, that's for sure.
@TA152H01 no 33 is not old for a heavywieght however charles was past his best at 33 and ok yeah rocky had a better chin that joe ill give you that but he didnt have better skin he cut if you looked at him and ali would cut him to peices rusty or otherwise
@bigmanoooo1 Well, Moore clearly wasn't as he went on to have many successful boughts. 33 isn't old, and Charles was still a good fighter, but was never a great.
Ali said Marciano was better than Frazier. Leonard thinks so too.
Marciano did cut, but, he also knocked Ali down with a body shot when they were filming their fake bout. Ali said even from sparring the guy hit so hard he couldn't believe it. He was 46 at the time.
@TA152H01 i said 33 isnt old but charles peaked very early and was declining by then, i would probably give rock the edge over joe anyway but i dont think its right the write frazier off as a bum he was certainly not that and you must admit it would be a good fight eitherway
@bigmanoooo1 I do think Frazier is overrated, but I don't think he's a bum. He had very good stamina (although below Marciano's), and terrific heart - there was no quit in this man. But, I don't think he's an all-time great - he only beat Ali and a rusty one at that, before losing to him twice.
But, again, I do think he was a good to very good fighter. Just not the top shelf.
@TA152H01 i think rocky was an amazing fighter but you seem unwilling to see his flaws, when talking about the best heavyweight of all time rocky cant qualify cos he wouldnt be a heavy now, frazier only just would and then he would be a small one plus i also have to mention rockys conduct in the ring if the don cockell fight had been in this era in vegas marciano would have been disqualified in no time flat
@bigmanoooo1 Rocky had a lot of flaws, of course I can see them. I don't really like his style, but when you tell me he's as slow as Foreman, or has a similar chin to Frazier's, it's just not so.
He was a horrible fighter with a big punch most of his fights, and got much better. He had the best stamina of any heavyweight, and hit hard.
Leonard rates him top four fighters ever, Ali says he was better than Frazier.
He did some bad stuff. He hit Walcott with a left when down, too.
@TA152H01 i admitted that rocky had a better chin than frazier and i also admit that foreman had bad balance and he was a bit like a mummy actually on reflextion id say that rocky was faster, and yes i had heard of roland lastarza when i said "who was he?" it wasnt a serious question, wasnt it lastarza who covered up alot and rocky ended up fracturing his forearms?
@bigmanoooo1 Yes, his corner told him to just hit him anywhere to open him up.
Marciano is probably the only fighter that would make sense with. He was weird in that he had very good power and amazing stamina. Without both, it would be ineffective.
I actually like Joe Frazier, although I like slick boxers much more (Marciano is bizarre, so I can't help but watch him). Quarry/Frazier are some great matches. I'd have loved to see Frazier/Norton. I'd pick Frazier, easily.
@TA152H01 yeah i know what you mean its hard not to be intriqued by marciano he was freak apparently when his trainer first saw him he said he had no chance as a fighter because he was small, flat footed, had a short reach,sloping shoulders and a crude style but then he realised he had a few things going for him and was blown away by how hard he could hit, rockys main problem in my opinion was his temperament he would get frustrated easily and start fighting dirty
@bigmanoooo1 Well, it was a different time back then, so fighters got away with a lot of things they never could 10 or 15 years later.
I think his temperament was a big asset too. He was a real fighter, not an Ali who didn't like to train, not a Mayweather who doesn't want to get hit. He was a real fighter, like Frazier. He had no quit, either.
With his crude style, especially early. I think only his conditioning kept him afloat, until he developed at least some skill.
@TA152H01 his temperament may have helped to an extent i agree he had a real fighters pride but he went too far sometimes he was disqualified as an amateur for kicking another fighter in the balls lol ive never heard of that happening before or since
@bigmanoooo1 Yes, but that story is somewhat of a fabrication. He actually kneed him in the stomach, not to hurt him, but to protect himself. It was before he had any idea how to fight, and was getting tagged on the ropes.
@TA152H01 well he had no idea how to box but he was an accomplished streetfighter which probably gave him his will to win and almost certainly why he was so dirty, tyson has a similar mentality although i would say tyson is a lot more disturbed that rocky
Good clip featuring a guy who knows what he is talking about. OBTW Shavers hit real hard, but the trick is to get that artillery onto the other guy's chin. Rocky did that only too well. Timing is EVERYTHING
Liston was great no doubt, and Ali was great, and Ali beat Liston twice. Now, Marciano hit 10 times harder than Ali, Marciano never tires even in later rounds like most fighters, for example, Ali and Frazier in their first fight started to tire in the 6th round.The Rock could also withstand punishment better than any other fighter of the Ali era, including Ali, due to the fact he had no hidden fear. Liston beat Marciano ? Facts prove no !...it's common sense.
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Floyd Patterson beat a lot guys who were away better than Marciano, Liston was the only strong, hard puncher he did poorly against, plus he did get knocked down a lot but he always beat the count, never counted out off his feet.
He was counted out twice, and personally I would find that a lot less humiliating than getting knocked down 7 times in one fight and having the ref stop the fight...
Liston wasn't boxing on Marciano's way up! Hell, his career had barely gotten started by the time Marciano was champion. As for Patterson, why would he duck Patterson? He had a weak chin, and a huge problem with big hitters. Hell, Liston beat him in one round! Marciano was a much more relentless fighter than Liston was, and he would have destroyed Patterson.
Marciano would beaten Patterson like you say. But he was lucky he didn't cross Liston. Liston was to stong, to heavy. Though as the Rock was, Liston would have been to big, to great.
Are you high? Liston was so slow. Everybody talks about this great jab of his, but personally I don't see it. It looks like he telgraphs it. Marciano would have destroyed Liston.
Liston was faster then foreman. He was so powerfull, such good timing and he had a huge reacht with his jab . His jab could bob your head back. Liston-marciano would be a real heavywheigt against a light heavywheigt, don't fogett that.
Faster than Foreman? I don't know that I would call that some great feat... You wanna talk power and timing? refer back to Walcott v Marciano, where Marciano saw Walcott's punch coming so he threw a tremendous punch of his own and knocked him out. Also, Rocky fought in the heavyweight division, so that means he fought heavyweights. If Marciano would have fought Liston, I don't think it would have been anything spectacular.
There is a difference between a pumped up light heavywheight, going to the heavyweights, hardly making 185 pounds and a natural born 220 pound bear like Liston.
About Marciano's 'timing', it is well known that Marciano had a huge missing percentage. He won because he was very tough and had extreme stanima, not because of his timing...
I never said it had to do with timing. Although his missing percentage doesn't come from bad timing, it probably has alot to do with the height and reach difference. The point is, Marciano would have put too much pressure on Liston, and he would have battered his body and Liston would have been able to get off even one "powerful, head-bobbing" jab. Sonny gets destroyed by Marciano. sorry.
Boxing experts like this Bert Sugar disagree with you. Marciano was a swarmer with very short arms and not the abiblty to slip punches like a Tyson or a Frazier. Rocky would have to breach a huge distance to get to Sonny, in this time liston would be giving him huge boms, much harder then the punches from Walcot and Moore, who both knocked the Rock down. It's like Pickets charge in gettysburg, suicide to breach such a great distance while under heavy fire.
I never said Marciano would have slipped a punch, he would have barged in, and Liston would have gotten off his shots, but they wouldn't have been enough to knock Marciano out. I would say it'd be more like Pearl Harbor and the events that followed. We suffered severe casualties, and then we came back and dropped an atomic bomb and won the whole thing.
Every man has a right to a oppinion. I don't see how he would get to Liston. Even if he would get there he would be up against a man who is 35 pounds heavier then him. Liston could man handle him.
But in defence of the Rock. I liked him much more then Liston, pound for pound the Rock was greater, he had 10x the heart of Liston and in history Liston stands in his shadow.
That's just it. You've answered your question as to how the Rock would get to him. He would get to him through heart and determination. Once he got on the inside of Liston, Sonny would have no idea what to do with Rocky. Marciano was more relentless, and did alot more body work than Liston did
Oh, the romanicus. Believing that the hearth can overcome everything. In that case the Rock would beat Liston easy. But in real life it isn't like that. We have to deal with the rules of nature. Marciano didn't have great 'boxing' skill like timing, footmovement, defensive skills and was a LOT lighter then Liston. He had a good jaw but he was human and could get knocked down by guys who didn't even come close to the punching power of List. How in the hell was he gonna survive?
6 big fights & all of his OPPONENTS were all 40 yrs of age........ THE GREAT WHITE HOPE.......like Jack Johnson had to go against, they could of told Louis & them to lose or else.... NEVER TRUST WHITE MEN from those times......BERT knows he was right there, why he made excuse for him 'take nothing from this man'...... FATHER TIME IS THE TRUE CHAMP, UNDEFEATED!
little95 1 week ago
@little95 Marciano was still tough and a GREAT fighter. He had power, and was always in shape. I would not want him hitting ME.
Soulblackman 1 week ago
You can't say there is one best boxer because it's about matchups. For ex., Ali lost to Frazier one out of 3, Foreman koed Frazier twice, but Ali defeated Foreman. Marciano was much harder to hit than people realize too. It is about matchups. The record 49-0 with 43 kos is no joke either.
pcharliew 2 weeks ago
to the maker of this video - or to anyone nice enought to help -- where can I watch this entire interview??
thanks in advance.
EndlessLaymon 3 weeks ago
Marciano could have punched a hole in a tree
gov544 1 month ago
Tyson in his prime would've put Rocky down no doubt but I think he would practically have to kill him to get him to stop. Marciano could get up after being hit by a bus.
MrBizzmarky76 1 month ago
Looks like somebody got KOed by Suzie Q and disliked it
54Jio 1 month ago
who cares boxing is boxing all these legends are great fighters who paved the way and made boxing great..wheather tyson, rocky,ali, jack dempsey, "Kid" Mcoy, and all others..im black but it doesnt matter wheather they were black ,white or spanish...all of these fighters had something to bring to the ring and show the rest of the world there own skill
DemocraciesHypocrisy 1 month ago
bum farreal
bradbodies 1 month ago
This dude is a true boxing fanatic i'd love him to explain this to my friends who think rocky marciano is the best fighter ever he fought all nobodys and people past there prime Ali=greatest heavyweight of all time Suger Ray Robinson= Best boxer of all time do some research ppl
thefury187 1 month ago
"twisted joe walcotts face into pudding" bwahahahahaha *_^_*
Ztnarf1985 2 months ago
Great shot.........not as hard as shavers on Holmes but legend!!!!!!!!!!, no man is invincible, just becuase of their record however.....(Marciano and Floyd)
B04Jordan 2 months ago
People make some real stupid comments.Rocky was the man in his time.And,sorry he set the bar so high..Nuff Said...When someone else beats his pro record then brag.You look goofy when you rag on the best...
93corvettebaby 4 months ago
tyson was 220 a real heavy weight marciano is a crusier weight tyson would have sent him sailing
Getshotwice 4 months ago
Umm klitchko kicked lewis' ass into retirement but anyway this is about marciano, the fighter no blacks like to talk about because he whipped all their asses.
Italians and eastern europeans are the toughest white people. Don't fuck with us.
gibememoni 4 months ago
@gibememoni Marciano fought bums his entire career, something whites dont like to talk about.
His most notable win was an old desperate joe louis who needed a quick check due to IRS reasons
And the klits....who notable have they defeated? Lennox kicked klitchko's ass..not the other way around.Who won the fight? Exactly
BlacknesUnforgivable 4 months ago
@BlacknesUnforgivable the unfortunate thing is. is that people might actually give a fuck about what you had to say if you didn't go bitching about white guys
banofee999 4 months ago
@BlacknesUnforgivable They werent really bums they were just older ..lol Today he would be a lightheavy weight possibly even a middleweight because he would cut weight. If Marciano, would have fought in this era he would have modern trainers and equipment to help him hone his tools. Like Mr Sugar said its really hard to rate him because he fought older champions or contenders. I think Joe louis was better because he had better boxing skills but who really knows oh yea im white keep it real *_^_*
Ztnarf1985 2 months ago
@BlacknesUnforgivable man rex layne was a fucking beast 38-2 and younger than marciano you dumb nigger still on your moms crack pipe?
MrLukedanger 2 months ago in playlist More videos from RalphyMarciano
@MrLukedanger Still dosent negate the fact that the WOP primarily fought the bums of his time
and are you still on your mothers meth pipe?
BlacknesUnforgivable 2 months ago
@BlacknesUnforgivable these 'bums' would beat the shit out of you so re think your words
MrLukedanger 1 month ago
Marciano would take a beating for a whole fight just to find the right moment to knock a fighter out with one punch. That's how he was different and that why is often underrated.
muzakaly 5 months ago 2
@muzakaly The problem with that is he couldnt do that with fighters like Tyson, or Foremen. He get knocked out.
b7r7u7c7e 1 month ago
@b7r7u7c7e You can say that about any of the fighters who he beat, not just Foreman or Tyson. The fact is Marciano didn't get knocked out. Foreman said Gerry Cooney was one of the three hardest hitters he ever faced but Foremen still knocked Cooney out.
muzakaly 1 month ago
Toughest SOB to ever set foot in the ring...Tyson...he NEVER got off the floor to win a fight...Marciano beats Tyson on heart alone...
beatlejim64 6 months ago
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MrRoyalFatness 6 months ago
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MrRoyalFatness 6 months ago
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Rocky Marciano only fought top fighters after they were over the hill and should have been retired. He was a bum and he did not go undefeated as posted previously. He lost to Coley Wallace. In 1948 Coley Wallace won......a split decision vs. Rocky Marciano in the semi-final of the New York Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions. Some of his fights were obviously fixed. He would get knocked out by all of the real top heavyweights....please!!!!
miamiorlando1 6 months ago
Sugar was about to say Joe Frazier at the end instead of Walcott.
carmodifire 6 months ago
Bert Sugar is an idiot. Charles was 30, Louis 37, Walcott 38, Moore 38. How do four numbers under 40 average 40?
The answer is, it doesn't. It's 35.75. Guys averaging 35 sounds a lot different than guys averaging 40. And Louis said Walcott was in his prime, and Moore was champ. Most said Ezzard Charles was in the best shape of his life. So, he's a twit.
TA152H01 6 months ago
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Ztnarf1985 6 months ago
@Ztnarf1985 You idiot. You can't count. I gave you information on every fight, and showed you the average. And you still come up with a stupid remark like that? What's wrong with my numbers, dumb ass?
TA152H01 6 months ago
@TA152H01 everyone on youtube is the smartest person alive numbers from where ? your ass ? maybe you should go find some pussy dude and get off youtube ...
Ztnarf1985 6 months ago
@Ztnarf1985 You're dumber than dumb. You criticize someone for being on Youtube while you're posting on it? What kind of simple minded, donkey bred, dumb ass are you?
Look up the numbers yourself on Google, you brainless twit. They're all legit. Boxrec is a good site, if you're too stupid to use Google.
TA152H01 6 months ago
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@Ztnarf1985 everyone on youtube is the smartest person alive numbers from where ? your ass ? maybe you should go find some pussy dude and get off youtube ...
Ztnarf1985 6 months ago
@TA152H01 Im sure Charles was 32 Marciano was 30
shotgunshawzy 6 months ago
@shotgunshawzy You're right, he was. And was 33 for the second fight. Average is 36.25 using 32.
TA152H01 6 months ago
@TA152H01 Marciano's so called "easy" fights woud have been 10 times better than todays pathetic fights.
shotgunshawzy 6 months ago
Marciano is lucky he didn't face Louis in his prime. As fate would have it Louis had to check out of the nursing home to experience the suzie q. A young Tyson would have blasted Marciano's brains out (Jab, slip, goodnight!)
MrCuts73 6 months ago
@MrCuts73 you dont know a fu--ing sh---t!!! Rocky the best ever!! Greattings from Argentina!
TheJuale 6 months ago
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whys it called the suzie q?
mammytroupe 6 months ago
Since all 1970s + heavyweights have fought on steroids its not surprising that many have appeared comparably bulkier figures in the ring. But pound for pound Marciano was a far more powerful fighter. We are only left to speculate, but I would suppose that the Suzie Q turbo charged with growth hormone would literally have punched wholes through the last great generation of black fighters.
johnsammyanfal 6 months ago
tyson would win the first rounds on points probably but then his stamina would give way and rocky would increase his own work load catching tyson with 4 or 5 huge punches in succession taking him to the canvas
hoppuss44 7 months ago
i don't know where these people get thier facts from but tyson did not hit harder than marciano, marciano had enough power in his right hand to spot lift 1000lbs one foot up off the ground, it's been scientifically measured. as soon as tyson needed to see fear in his opponent, in rocky he would see nothing and this would unsettle tyson. the fight would begin with tyson getting off a few good blows but marciano would keep coming forward
hoppuss44 7 months ago
@hoppuss44 They punched differently; Tyson's power was generated mostly by the speed(fast twitch muscle) that moved his mass. RM's power started from the floor w/incredible leverage, torque, momentum & inertia. Watch the 12 clean unanswered shots Tyson hit Thomas with, as opposed to the Walcott ko, or the last 3 shots Rocky hit Louis with. Sure, RM was slower, but when he landed, there was enough torque behind his punch to multiply his body weight 5 times(1000ft lbs)! Ur right, RM hit harder!
strictlycomments 6 months ago
Show me one fight that Tyson's knee hit the canvas that he won. Oh, You can't find one. Wow! ? Neither can I. What a wuss!!!!!!!
triggert531 7 months ago
Mike Tyson never won a fight in which he was knocked down, fool. HAHAHA. Tyson down is equal to Tyson loses. Marciano would have gotten his ass up and hit Tyson with a blockbuster that would have sent him to "night night". Deal with it!
triggert531 7 months ago
@MindofaJedi boxing is not about how strong or fast you are it's all about heart...something that Mike Tyson sure did lack in the ring.
HiMyNameIsRoss 8 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss not to mention.Listen to Ali talk to Howard Cossell.The biggest trash talker in the history of boxing couldn't believe how much power was behind Marciano's hooks. Joe Frazier hit hard and put Ali on his ass. We all know how good Frazier was. He was one of the best and could knock you out cold with that vicious left hook. Listen to Ali talk as he says without hesitation,Marciano's punches were much harder than Frazier's.And trust Ali, Rocky was a brawler who could take punches!
pnpny04 8 months ago
@HiMyNameIsRoss lol mike tyson never lacked heart in the ring you stupid fool!
jrgniuwer 8 months ago
tyson was a great fighter but could not take a punch and would run out of gas in three rounds,rocky on the other hand was much fitter,could take a beating and had a harder punch,they tested rockys punch and it had as much force as an armour piercing bullet,it would be a close fight but rocky would knock him out before the end
EmmaHayes18 8 months ago
@EmmaHayes18 No it wouldn't have been remotely close . Tyson not only hit way harder than Marciano or anyone Marciano ever fought , but his speed advantage and much higher accuracy would have overwhelmed Marciano quickly . Marciano would never have even tried to fight today's HWs , he was 185 pounds . He would MAYBE be a top 15 LHW today , but I doubt it . He couldn't beat Andre Ward who probably weighs 180 when he steps in the ring .
MindofaJedi 8 months ago
@MindofaJedi Marciano could have fought at a heavier weight but he stayed at 185 because that's exactly what his trainer wanted him to do (i know you probably never read his bio). Keeping him at 185 made it easier for Rock to stay down low in a crouch position. He'd coil up and keep coming at you. At the same time he was not an easy target to hit. Someone has a video of Rocky Marciano underrated defense highlights.Great vid.No one had a stronger right than Rock..and Tyson has such glass jaw.
pnpny04 8 months ago
@pnpny04 Tyson would never have been dropped by a middleweight so , chin advantage is clearly in Tyson's favor. Tyson hits much much harder , and was more accurate . We also can't forget the tremendous speed disadvantage Marciano would have . Holmes , Foreman , Tyson , Lennox Lewis , Klitschko all have more power in their right hands . Lewis would have kod Marciano with one right cross . Foreman would have ended his career in under a round . He fought in the weakest era ever , post WW2.
MindofaJedi 8 months ago
@MindofaJedi Marciano could have easily sent a 255 pound man to sleep with Suzie Q. Sorry if it hurts your feelings but a white italian would have destroyed Tyson because he would have refused to be beaten. 49-0 The only one to ever do it. End of story.
triggert531 7 months ago
have the determination u will always succeed ... that's Marciano for u
gov544 9 months ago
What made Marciano great was that he had the heart of true champion, if u look at him he is just 5 feet 10 inches with not so great footwork or speed either all he had was a very powerful right hand... Inspite of this this guy went down to podium twice i.e in his entire career the refree counted on him twice. I think that's why he was the champ the sheer determination made him great . That's why he is an ideal role model for everyone u can have ur shortcomings in whatever u do but if u contd...
gov544 9 months ago
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Tyson would have dealt crushing punishment to Rocky. But, in the days of no losing due to knockdowns....Rocky would keep getting back up. His punches were insanely strong from any angle. Tyson never recovered from a knockdown fight. He never won a fight in which he was knocked down. Rocky could have and would have put him down. I give the edge to Prime Rocky vs Prime Tyson. Tyson had everyone scared of him.....Rocky would not have been.
triggert531 11 months ago
Tyson would have dealt crushing punishment to Rocky. But, in the days of no losing due to knockdowns....Rocky would keep getting back up. His punches were insanely strong from any angle. Tyson never recovered from a knockdown fight. He never won a fight in which he was knocked down. Rocky could have and would have put him down. I give the edge to Prime Rocky vs Prime Tyson. Tyson had everyone scared of him.....Rocky would not have been.
triggert531 11 months ago
Marciano was the best conditioned fighter who ever lived...tough...great power...great chin...great heart...great stamina...never gave up..kept on coming!!!
BeatleJim55 1 year ago
rocky has got some FUCKING huge legs man!
MrBumboclart 1 year ago
mma pussies woul die and get decapitated by fitgers like marciano,
yelramyelram 1 year ago 13
@yelramyelram well rocky is was a real man, he wouldn't want to be hugging and rolling around on the floor in tight shorts with other men, something homosexual about that, but they say that a large amount of thai boxers are gay anyway, say hi to your boyfriend for me
MrBumboclart 1 year ago
@MrBumboclart im pretty sure homosexuals do somthing very different, you dumb fuck
ChrisAtWar93 9 months ago
@ChrisAtWar93 what?? what are you talking about?
MrBumboclart 9 months ago
@yelramyelram someone who has one way to win versus someone who has 10 ways to win. dont be silly.
Vaxxel 6 months ago
@yelramyelram SO TRUE. WELL SAID
wrey12 4 months ago
@yelramyelram If you're gonna mass generalize fighters from both sports at least be remotely accurate
maxpower789z 3 months ago
Dude an MMA fighter would beat his ass to pulp and same goes to every great boxer dude MMA rule dude
ThaWomanizer 1 year ago
@ThaWomanizer maybe under MMA rules, but boxing rules, they wouldn't stand a chance againstt prime yson, ali rocky roy jones or any other great boxer. I'm not ranting on MMA, i like MMA just like I like boxing, but boxers are specialized in punches. Most MMA fighters are specialized in ground fighting (mostly BJJ). So ofcourse a boxer wouldn't stand a chance in the octagon when he is taken to the ground, he is not traint for that. But when it comes to punching, the boxer will dominate the fight
emilioszz 1 year ago
Marciano is a rare beast, almost like a dinosaur, the likes of him will never been seen again.
shotgunshawzy 1 year ago
my favourite boxer ever! great fighter!
blueparrot10 1 year ago
What made Rocky considerably greater than his opponents was his training. The man was a freaking monster when it came to training. He was such in tremendous shape, that he punched and pursued his opponents with the same ferociousness and tenacity in the last round as fresh as him coming out of the first round! Rocky literally out lasted his opponents who just tire themselves out trying to keep up with Rocky but as always to NO avail. Just look at his fight films to see my point!
TheSpoiler001 1 year ago
Long Live the Rock! 'Keep your head down and keep punching!' This is a good metaphor for being determined in the face of adversity.
tw69hands2 1 year ago
lol at 2:11 he was about to say Joe Frazier
funnyblackmans 1 year ago
Rocky in his prime was tough as nails and strong as a bull.
SZSearcher 1 year ago
Size means nothing. Rocky ahd an abundance of natural. bull like strength and an iron chin. It took 2 all time great punchers to drop him, and both were flash knockdowns.
JoeBarrow35 1 year ago
@JoeBarrow35 size means a lot but it doesn't mean you will never be beaten by a smaller guy.
Denver1928 1 year ago
Not one boxer could take a lick flush on the chin from Marciano...in his age or after. If you take that punch you go.....you just go. "Ferdie Pacheco."
triggert531 1 year ago
holmes an tyson in their prime.. wud ov slaughtered marciano.. tyson wudda destroyed any1 in his prime
fishtank0 1 year ago
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@fishtank0 Archie Moore said that fighting Marciano was like fighting an airplane propellor. The man was absolutely tireless, with an iron jaw and punches that landed like atomic bombs. He threw an unbelievable number of punches every round, and every one of 'em hurt. How many other heavyweights in boxing history have actually br...oken the arms of their opponents? No question in my mind, there's never been a heavyweight who could've beaten Rocky Marciano in his prime.
theunthinkable1 1 year ago
Tyson would have stood no chance against Marciano. With Rocky, it wasn't so much that he couldn't be beaten (in regards his height/weight/reach), but that he wouldn't be beaten. Tyson, like many other fighters over the last 40 years, would have won many rounds against Marciano...until Marciano knocked them out.
BuckPaladin 1 year ago 31
@BuckPaladin
and Marciano had a stamina from hell.
he could fight hard for 10 rounds, getting his opposite exhausted, and then ko them in the last 5, Marciano is always underrated, and thinking about him, he really hurted his opponents, he had fists of stone, he almost killed vingo in only 5 rounds, prime marciano could've standed a chance against any big boxer, Liston, Tyson, Foreman, Ali.
OropherThranduil 1 year ago
@BuckPaladin That is ridiculous!
joseph941000able 1 year ago
@BuckPaladin I agree. Tyson hit hard, but he didn't have" The Rock's" heart. How many times was Marciano behind on the Scorecard, and found a way to win? If I remember right Rocky survived a 1st round knockdown in his first fight with "Jersey Joe" Walcott (who had a whole bucket-full of heart).
thevmanvj 1 year ago
@BuckPaladin
no way, marciano would have to do be winning from bell one. he only fights one way, and tyson takes a very good punch. rocky would need to beat him up for a few rounds. tyson, on the other hand, could knock anyone out with one punch. if rocky left himself open in round 1, and he would, he could very well be just another KO1 for tyson.
Robstailey 1 year ago
Tyson was a good puncher, but was only a 2 round fighter...no heart.
After than he curred out. Like most darkies.
Marciano was a real man. And heaven help you if you got into the ring with him.
StSimonMartyr 10 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
loool look at tyson fights , he had many 1-2 round figths because opponets could do anything about his insane power and speed
utoobe656 5 months ago
Tyson fought tomato cans.
Pete Mcnealy, 80 yr old Larry Holmes, Fraziers son, Buster Douglas, Trevor Berbick...come on
He made millions fighting bums. Jews saw to it.
Klitschko would make mince meat of Tyson, just as Lewis did.
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
shit man , i said in his prime
he lost to Lewis after the prison and it was far not the things he was doing before it , in his prime he wal absolutely No1 , klitschko would suck such a dick from prime tyson you cant even imagine and all other boxers'you should admit that tyson is like roy jones , in his prime just unstoppoble , absolutely !!!
utoobe656 5 months ago
A 6'9 Klitchko would destroy Tyson and beat the black off of him, as hes done to every fighter he has faced, including Lennox Lewis, whom he retired.
No one has beat him in 10 years and no one will.
Hope you find a black hope.
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
lol lewis won the fight with Klitchko :DDD
and man tyson lost to lewis after prison and waaay not so amazing as he was in his prime
watch some highligts of tyson , you'll see what kind of guys he was koing one after another
youre just a fanboy i guess
utoobe656 5 months ago
Lewis lost every round fighting Klichko and only won on a cut, stoppage, on his eye.
He denied a rematch and retired after his beating.
Klitchko hasnt been beaten in 10 years and has not turned down any offer to fight.
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
@StSimonMartyr
he lost , thats the thing
if he fought better he would no have that cut on his eye
so man , you cant deny that Tyson would kick allbody's ass , thats the axiom
utoobe656 5 months ago
@StSimonMartyr Lennox Lewis is a bitch with a glass jaw. The fact that people even mentioning his name under a Rocky Marciano video is a disgrace, in my opinion. They're not even in the same league as human beings, let alone fighters.
LedWhisky69 5 months ago
@StSimonMartyr First Lewis won the fight. Second Lennox in his prime would have been far more devastating to Vitali.
FrankfurtMilad439 5 months ago
Wrong
The Fight was Stopped Due to a Cut. It was not a win.
Klitchko was ahead on every judges card and offered Lewis a Rematch.
Lewis was smart and retired instead. He got his ass kicked until he cut Klitchko.
StSimonMartyr 5 months ago
@BuckPaladin Agreed. Tyson would try, try, and try to put him down but Marciano had one fucked up way of taking punishment, and an insane cardio.
lmpetuous 11 months ago
@lmpetuous
yeahyeah , look again at tyson's prime fights , that punch would kill marciano for sure
utoobe656 5 months ago
@BuckPaladin tyson would fucking kill him, be real man the only reason why tyson ever lost was when he was not training. a 19 year old tyson 219 pounds would put rocky in hospital in the first round
wZLisEpIC 9 months ago
@wZLisEpIC the same 19 year old who could get tillis mitch green and took 10 rounds to get ribalta out of there?? marciano has got up from knockdowns to win fights tyson never has and also when tyson fought a good fighter his size who had good defence like the rock has he was made to look foolish by mathis before koing him and mathis was fat and had no power to hurt tyson with counters
lee1990lee 9 months ago
@lee1990lee but you can just look at the two styles and tell tyson would destroy him, tyson only lost when he didn't care for winning, when tyson was 19 he was unbeatable, and jjw gave rock the beating of his life before rock landed that clean right, and a good fighter tysons size?! he was 5'11...
wZLisEpIC 9 months ago
@BuckPaladin hahahhaa , you are joking right ? Marciano would not have gotten out of the first round with Tyson ! What highlights are you watching . Tyson was faster , stronger , better footwork , way harder puncher , better head movement , heavier and KOd guys bigger than anyone Marciano ever fought . Marcianos average opponent was 190 pounds , Tyson's was 230 pounds ! Marciano would have a big cardio edge , but being unconscious in about 90 seconds makes that a non issue .
MindofaJedi 8 months ago
@BuckPaladin exactly. Rocky Marciano was the REAL LIFE Rocky Balboa lol.
AddieF420 6 months ago
@BuckPaladin wrong!!! if u looked very closely rocky barely bob and weave,tyson did ecsively and fighters barely landed punches and gave great combinations,rocky guarded himself,thanks 2 cus d amato the peek a boo style great advantage
beezeem 5 months ago
@fishtank0 ....what language is that ? ebonics? It must be if you think that any of those three "wud" even come close to beating the rock....go get a job!
bobbya16 1 year ago
@fishtank0 You're high... Tyson would have bitten anybody n his prime...
Johnathon198821 1 year ago
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brucelee7525 1 year ago
not sure why anyone brought up Mayweathers. He was a pussy and was to scared to take a hit, the opposite of Marciano.
beardigady 1 year ago 2
Bert Sugar is hard to listen to, he's clearly a moron. Why people think he's an expert, I'll never understand.
He listed Walcott I, II, Louis, and Charles I,II, Moore as his most memorable fights and his opponents averaging 40.
38,39,37,32,33, and 38 somehow average 40????
Facts Louis was favored, Walcott was champ, Charles was less than two years older than Marciano, and Moore fought for almost eight more years, winning the light heavyweight championship on the way.
TA152H01 1 year ago
frazier vs marciano would be a fantastic fight because their both aggresive, can hit hard and neither of em knew when to give in but id have to give the advantage to rocky but one things for sure it would be a brutal fight
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Frazier had the weak chin, Marciano didn't. He'd go down, and often. Even Ali said Marciano was a better fighter than Frazier. Frazier had no quit, that's for sure, but his chin wasn't as strong as his will, and his stamina, while very good, wasn't as good as Marciano's.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 marciano was knocked down plenty aswell but he always got up fast and wasnt hurt but rocky was never hit by monsters like foreman, im a fan marciano but youve got to admit he his opposition was weak almost always old men or small men or both
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Plenty of times? He got knocked down twice in 49 fights. Frazier got knocked down twice by "Ringo" Bonavena alone.
Marciano got hit by much harder hitters than Ali without having his knees go wobbly. Frazier got hurt by Ali in all three fights.
Frazier also went down hard. He got TKO'ed. He wobbled all over the ring against Bonavena. Marciano got up quickly and attacked his opponent.
No contest in the chin department.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 if rocky had fought the quality of opposition that frazier fought he would have been put down more, foreman would have hit marciano at will he would have played with him
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 You keep ignoring that Frazier was knocked down by other opponents, and hurt by other opponents. In reality, Frazier really didn't beat too many good fighters.
Foreman was too slow to play with anyone, and got tired quickly. Foreman Pt.1 also had the weak chin, suffering embarrassing knockdowns to feather fisted Ali and Young, not to mention Lyle, who didn't even hit him too cleanly with some of the punches that hurt Foreman.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 mate marciano took 5 rounds minnimum just to get into range his reach was that short in that time foreman would have turned his face into mashed potato and theres also the fact that rocky wasnt even a heavyweight really and i think ali hit alot harder than youre giving him credit for plus speed equals power ps frazier was never put down by ali
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Actually, getting within range of Foreman would be easy, he didn't attempt to move away.
Almost everyone who fought Ali, including Frazier, said he didn't have power. But, he hurt Frazier every fight. He didn't knock him down, but he buckled his knees and had him moving like a drunk sailor.
Ray Leonard ranks Marciano as one of his top four all time fighters. He doesn't rate Frazier or Foreman there (Ali, Louis, Robinson are the others).
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 foreman didnt move away but his reach would be that much longer he wouldnt need to
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Well, Frazier and Marciano weren't the same style of fighter. Frazier came head first, and really liked room to loop his left hook. Marciano, late in his career, leaned back and could throw punches from weird angles. He was very unorthodox. Foreman was a lousy fighter, with a big punch. He was terribly slow, very off balanced, and tired easily. Marciano was never seriously hurt, and Foreman couldn't knock down Chuvalo. So, it's not as easy as you make it sound.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 marciano was flat footed and just as slow as foreman but had a woefully short reach (there are flyweights with longer reach) and you may think foreman is a lousy fighter but he was better than anyone rocky beat thats for sure rock beat nobodys except louis who was a shell of his former self and rocky wasnt even a heavyweight
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 There's no comparison at all with hand speed between Marciano and Foreman. None. Watch videos.
Marciano beat boxers, Foreman lost to them. He beat Charles, La Starza, etc..., Foreman lost to an old Ali, and Jimmy Young.
Foreman beat no one, except a broken Joe Frazier, and Ken Norton, a guy that lost to everyone with a decent punch (but did bother jabbers). Walcott, Louis, La Starza, Moore, etc... rate better in my book.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 ive watched videos mate and rocky is just as slow and lastarza? lmao who was he? a nobody all rackys opponents were small or old but this convo is going nowhere we are never gonna agree but i think we can agree that marciano vs frazier would be a good fight despite what you think of joe
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 If you think Foreman has the same speed as Marciano, there's really not much I can say. Foreman could never have thrown the punch that knocked out Walcott.
You've never heard of Roland LaStarza? He was a slick boxer, and many thought he won his first fight with Marciano - it was close. He was far better than Jimmy Young, although not a great fighter. He said Marciano was 5000% better the second fight.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 frazier fought big strong heavyweights who did rocky fight? charles,walcott louis and moore they were his only opponents of note all well past it and he still struggled
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Charles was 33 when he fought Marciano. That's old?
Frazier beat who? He got the decision against a rusty Ali, but didn't really beat anyone else. He got raped by a slow, off-balance slugger, decked twice by a guy named "Ringo", and had wars with Jerry Quarry, a guy Marciano would have knocked out easily.
Louis was favored against Marciano, Moore fought eight years after that, and won a championship on the way. They were better than Bonavena, that's for sure.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 no 33 is not old for a heavywieght however charles was past his best at 33 and ok yeah rocky had a better chin that joe ill give you that but he didnt have better skin he cut if you looked at him and ali would cut him to peices rusty or otherwise
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Well, Moore clearly wasn't as he went on to have many successful boughts. 33 isn't old, and Charles was still a good fighter, but was never a great.
Ali said Marciano was better than Frazier. Leonard thinks so too.
Marciano did cut, but, he also knocked Ali down with a body shot when they were filming their fake bout. Ali said even from sparring the guy hit so hard he couldn't believe it. He was 46 at the time.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 i said 33 isnt old but charles peaked very early and was declining by then, i would probably give rock the edge over joe anyway but i dont think its right the write frazier off as a bum he was certainly not that and you must admit it would be a good fight eitherway
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 I do think Frazier is overrated, but I don't think he's a bum. He had very good stamina (although below Marciano's), and terrific heart - there was no quit in this man. But, I don't think he's an all-time great - he only beat Ali and a rusty one at that, before losing to him twice.
But, again, I do think he was a good to very good fighter. Just not the top shelf.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 i think rocky was an amazing fighter but you seem unwilling to see his flaws, when talking about the best heavyweight of all time rocky cant qualify cos he wouldnt be a heavy now, frazier only just would and then he would be a small one plus i also have to mention rockys conduct in the ring if the don cockell fight had been in this era in vegas marciano would have been disqualified in no time flat
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Rocky had a lot of flaws, of course I can see them. I don't really like his style, but when you tell me he's as slow as Foreman, or has a similar chin to Frazier's, it's just not so.
He was a horrible fighter with a big punch most of his fights, and got much better. He had the best stamina of any heavyweight, and hit hard.
Leonard rates him top four fighters ever, Ali says he was better than Frazier.
He did some bad stuff. He hit Walcott with a left when down, too.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 i admitted that rocky had a better chin than frazier and i also admit that foreman had bad balance and he was a bit like a mummy actually on reflextion id say that rocky was faster, and yes i had heard of roland lastarza when i said "who was he?" it wasnt a serious question, wasnt it lastarza who covered up alot and rocky ended up fracturing his forearms?
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Yes, his corner told him to just hit him anywhere to open him up.
Marciano is probably the only fighter that would make sense with. He was weird in that he had very good power and amazing stamina. Without both, it would be ineffective.
I actually like Joe Frazier, although I like slick boxers much more (Marciano is bizarre, so I can't help but watch him). Quarry/Frazier are some great matches. I'd have loved to see Frazier/Norton. I'd pick Frazier, easily.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 yeah i know what you mean its hard not to be intriqued by marciano he was freak apparently when his trainer first saw him he said he had no chance as a fighter because he was small, flat footed, had a short reach,sloping shoulders and a crude style but then he realised he had a few things going for him and was blown away by how hard he could hit, rockys main problem in my opinion was his temperament he would get frustrated easily and start fighting dirty
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Well, it was a different time back then, so fighters got away with a lot of things they never could 10 or 15 years later.
I think his temperament was a big asset too. He was a real fighter, not an Ali who didn't like to train, not a Mayweather who doesn't want to get hit. He was a real fighter, like Frazier. He had no quit, either.
With his crude style, especially early. I think only his conditioning kept him afloat, until he developed at least some skill.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 his temperament may have helped to an extent i agree he had a real fighters pride but he went too far sometimes he was disqualified as an amateur for kicking another fighter in the balls lol ive never heard of that happening before or since
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
@bigmanoooo1 Yes, but that story is somewhat of a fabrication. He actually kneed him in the stomach, not to hurt him, but to protect himself. It was before he had any idea how to fight, and was getting tagged on the ropes.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 well he had no idea how to box but he was an accomplished streetfighter which probably gave him his will to win and almost certainly why he was so dirty, tyson has a similar mentality although i would say tyson is a lot more disturbed that rocky
bigmanoooo1 1 year ago
"He had a punch from Hell, the Suzie Q."
mrwoodpigeon 1 year ago 39
"He had a punch from Hell, the Suzie Q."
mrwoodpigeon 1 year ago
Rocky hit so hard that he had to go from a 80 pound bag to a 300 cuz the 80 couldnt withstand his punches
thefury187 1 year ago 2
haha man this dude could punch
one of my favorite heavyweights, i think rocky had one of the best chins ever.
TommyGun7111 2 years ago
Good clip featuring a guy who knows what he is talking about. OBTW Shavers hit real hard, but the trick is to get that artillery onto the other guy's chin. Rocky did that only too well. Timing is EVERYTHING
sparwood8 2 years ago
True.
ezekielwahwah 2 years ago
I love when guys fall out of the ring! Its so dramatic! HAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA
sz42781 2 years ago
Its fun speculating at what would of happened if the greats would've met, but like I always say, you cant compare era's
KorsaSS 2 years ago
Liston was great no doubt, and Ali was great, and Ali beat Liston twice. Now, Marciano hit 10 times harder than Ali, Marciano never tires even in later rounds like most fighters, for example, Ali and Frazier in their first fight started to tire in the 6th round.The Rock could also withstand punishment better than any other fighter of the Ali era, including Ali, due to the fact he had no hidden fear. Liston beat Marciano ? Facts prove no !...it's common sense.
sherom 2 years ago
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Floyd Patterson beat a lot guys who were away better than Marciano, Liston was the only strong, hard puncher he did poorly against, plus he did get knocked down a lot but he always beat the count, never counted out off his feet.
PUGCAT 2 years ago
He was counted out twice, and personally I would find that a lot less humiliating than getting knocked down 7 times in one fight and having the ref stop the fight...
Johnathon198821 2 years ago
well he he dodged liston and patterson
MultiGreat1 2 years ago
Liston wasn't boxing on Marciano's way up! Hell, his career had barely gotten started by the time Marciano was champion. As for Patterson, why would he duck Patterson? He had a weak chin, and a huge problem with big hitters. Hell, Liston beat him in one round! Marciano was a much more relentless fighter than Liston was, and he would have destroyed Patterson.
Johnathon198821 2 years ago
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m8
do some research
liston was number one conjtender through the 50s and marciano was champion then
MultiGreat1 2 years ago
I've done the research...
Liston didn't become a contender for the title until the late fifties, and he didn't succeed at obtaining the title until '62.
Next time you decide to try and sound like you know what you're talking about... Do some research!
Johnathon198821 2 years ago
Marciano would beaten Patterson like you say. But he was lucky he didn't cross Liston. Liston was to stong, to heavy. Though as the Rock was, Liston would have been to big, to great.
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
Are you high? Liston was so slow. Everybody talks about this great jab of his, but personally I don't see it. It looks like he telgraphs it. Marciano would have destroyed Liston.
Johnathon198821 2 years ago 10
Liston was faster then foreman. He was so powerfull, such good timing and he had a huge reacht with his jab . His jab could bob your head back. Liston-marciano would be a real heavywheigt against a light heavywheigt, don't fogett that.
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
Faster than Foreman? I don't know that I would call that some great feat... You wanna talk power and timing? refer back to Walcott v Marciano, where Marciano saw Walcott's punch coming so he threw a tremendous punch of his own and knocked him out. Also, Rocky fought in the heavyweight division, so that means he fought heavyweights. If Marciano would have fought Liston, I don't think it would have been anything spectacular.
Johnathon198821 2 years ago
There is a difference between a pumped up light heavywheight, going to the heavyweights, hardly making 185 pounds and a natural born 220 pound bear like Liston.
About Marciano's 'timing', it is well known that Marciano had a huge missing percentage. He won because he was very tough and had extreme stanima, not because of his timing...
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
I never said it had to do with timing. Although his missing percentage doesn't come from bad timing, it probably has alot to do with the height and reach difference. The point is, Marciano would have put too much pressure on Liston, and he would have battered his body and Liston would have been able to get off even one "powerful, head-bobbing" jab. Sonny gets destroyed by Marciano. sorry.
Johnathon198821 2 years ago
Boxing experts like this Bert Sugar disagree with you. Marciano was a swarmer with very short arms and not the abiblty to slip punches like a Tyson or a Frazier. Rocky would have to breach a huge distance to get to Sonny, in this time liston would be giving him huge boms, much harder then the punches from Walcot and Moore, who both knocked the Rock down. It's like Pickets charge in gettysburg, suicide to breach such a great distance while under heavy fire.
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
I never said Marciano would have slipped a punch, he would have barged in, and Liston would have gotten off his shots, but they wouldn't have been enough to knock Marciano out. I would say it'd be more like Pearl Harbor and the events that followed. We suffered severe casualties, and then we came back and dropped an atomic bomb and won the whole thing.
Johnathon198821 2 years ago
Every man has a right to a oppinion. I don't see how he would get to Liston. Even if he would get there he would be up against a man who is 35 pounds heavier then him. Liston could man handle him.
But in defence of the Rock. I liked him much more then Liston, pound for pound the Rock was greater, he had 10x the heart of Liston and in history Liston stands in his shadow.
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
That's just it. You've answered your question as to how the Rock would get to him. He would get to him through heart and determination. Once he got on the inside of Liston, Sonny would have no idea what to do with Rocky. Marciano was more relentless, and did alot more body work than Liston did
Johnathon198821 2 years ago
Oh, the romanicus. Believing that the hearth can overcome everything. In that case the Rock would beat Liston easy. But in real life it isn't like that. We have to deal with the rules of nature. Marciano didn't have great 'boxing' skill like timing, footmovement, defensive skills and was a LOT lighter then Liston. He had a good jaw but he was human and could get knocked down by guys who didn't even come close to the punching power of List. How in the hell was he gonna survive?
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago