Lian Bu Chuan

[bobsciascia]

Yeah, not bad. Just a few pointers:

1. let you waist lead the arm motions. It's your waist and whole body behind the strikes and movements.

2. Extension. It's northern Kung Fu; I'm not saying lock your arms out, But stretched out long.

3. This is a tough one to do as I still struggle, but "sense of enemy."

[soeutenhoessemail]

@bobsciascia shut up.....

[bobsciascia]

Soeuten, whats your problem. I didn't rip on him, just gave some friendly advice. I have been doing that form for 4 years and Northern Kung Fu form over 10 years. Im far from perfect; but I do know what I'm talking about.

[soeutenhoessemail]

@bobsciascia he is doing all rite.....

that form that you think is perfect for the chinese is a mistake....the perfect form for the chineseis the form that you can do...if you do as best as you can you are doing ´perfectly.

so dont try to correct what you dont know....shut up....

you said youve been practicing for ten years,and havent learned a little bit.....

[bobsciascia]

I didt say it wasnt "all rite". Just trying to help him get better. If you dont push yourself, your Kung Fu gets stagnet. And i disagree with "if you are doing as best you can you are doing it poerfectly" I train my form thousands of time and go to my sifu, he finds ways for me to improve. My suggestions were good one. ones that will help Mad Cow. And if he watched oneof my forms and had some constructive critisism, I would appreciate it. Soeut, you are oversensitive.

[bobsciascia]

This is a basic form,, but difficult form to master. One should psuh ones self every day. Especially this form. It was created by Master Hou Yuan Jai at Jing Wu (Chin Woo). Also, i have learned "a little bit" of Kung fu. I have several excellent teachers, i train 3 hours a day 5-6 days a week for 9 years and I teach. I am far from perfect; but i know a little Kung Fu. I study Longfist, Tai and 7 star Mantis, Hsing I, Tai Chi and some Wing Chun and some 5 family style Hung Gar.

[bobsciascia]

I appreciate my teachers correct me and oush me. It makes my Kung Fu better. If you can't take constructive critisism (especially when its not even directed at YOU) You should not be training. At our school we get corrected dozen of times per night and love it. Again, it brings out the best in us. So chill out, I didn't trash Mad Cow, I said "Not bad, just a few pointers". Not once did i saw "bad" or "Wrong". I just think it needs a little work as do some of my forms. This stuff is NOT easy!

[soeutenhoessemail]

@bobsciascia so whats the problem.....the kid is pushing him self....how can you say that he isnt???

but there is a way to go where you want...and this way is slow and take like 30 years....ive been praticing for the last 10 years.i know that my katys are good cos i do them the best i can...

if someone pushes more than he can he will get injured...this is certailny

[anhkhoinguyen]

for someone whos trains as much as you say for 9 years and also teach, you should also know your styles and forms history which i find very important for cultural reasons but anyways just wanted to correct you on your statement MASTER HOU YUAN JIA of Chin Woo didnt create Lian Bu Quan nor did he create any forms...i find it kind of funny as this is the first time i heard anyone say that..But this form here was created in the 1920s at the Nanjing martial arts institute and not at Chin Woo....=X

[bobsciascia]

You are 100% correct. I had Gong Li Chuan in my head for some reason. My bad. Lien Bu is 1928 Central Nanjing Institute. I am up on my history; but sometimes make a mistake which i will fully admit. Hou did create Gong Li according to Jwing Ming Yang and seveal other sources. Sorry for the confusion brothers.

[anhkhoinguyen]

@bobsciascia Actually even if you had Gung Li Chuan in mind it still is not correct. Agian Hou Yuan Jias life is well documented as in the styles or any forms he might of created but Gung Li Chuan was founded by Chao Lian (1657 - 1748) who was from Shanxi Province in China. Gung Li is a form which is used by many styles as a basic training set. This form uses dynamic tension as part of it's training methods.

[anhkhoinguyen]

@bobsciascia I study with Si-gung Yang Jwing Ming and own all his works, He never mentions Hou Yuan Jia as the creator of any form, everything taught at Chin Woo after his death was brought in from different styles. Rumors and storys are common but not always correct, but this is why we have the internet(cross referrence) so the likely hood of this being from Hou Yuan Jia and not well known about it is slim, His life n work is too well documented for this to be true. please show us ur "sources"

[anhkhoinguyen]

Hou yuan jia died ten years before this form was created....Also it was not extactly created as i said earlier but "created from" dragon boxing but revised and restructured at the Nanjing institute and adopted for basic training for northern long fist and for the republic of china's national army.

In fact you can watch it on youtube done by shaolin monks under the title "LONG QUAN" or dragon fist.

[bobsciascia]

AGAIN, %100 MY Fault. I had Gong Li Chuan in my head. Hou died in 1909. I do both forms so I should know better. We do the "Dragon" version with the "Dragon soars side steps and dragon claw Pi Chuans" in our school possibly altered by Wang Ju Jen and Centeral Nanjing Institute in 1928. Again, i confused Gong Li's history with Lian Bu's for a sec as they are usually taught back to back. Yes, 99% of the time i know better and the difference between the two. Sorry again and thanks for the correcti

[bobsciascia]

Opps my bad! so sorry. I was thinking Gong Li Chuan from Hou Yuan Jai. You are right

[SecretSword]

Not bad keep it up!