Magnesium VS Carbon Fiber Rims

[TheJordanGraff]

My magnesium Marchesini's cost just over 6,300 CDN shipped to Winnipeg That doesn't include my Pirelli's sigh all for an 09 ZX6R

[erichillermanngamer]

I really like videos like this, talking about more serious bike mods and such.

[Enjoi6791]

i like when u go down those small side streets. totaly different views from city driving

[alphamongrel]

I don't think you can straighten a magnesium alloy wheel, it loses its tensile strength if damaged, and should be recycled.

[sgtmarkins]

FAIL... You didnt mention the CF rims are not legal for street use... I wish you could get your facts straight... Ya fucking... Never mind.

[thatguru877]

@sgtmarkins Totally legal in Taiwan you mad bro?

[ElDummkopf]

@OldSerpentOfSin - You're right I did get M13's name wrong, I meant GOD. Pardon me.

[AvatarJizz]

It was malleable but doesn't matter lol

[Dhood74200]

holy shit is that a rottweiler??

[thatguru877]

@Dhood74200 No its a doberman pinscher mine is an AKC 112 pound male.

[ProtoBleph]

"Malleable" was the term you were looking for around the 3 minute mark. The other common form of metal manipulation is "ductile" for wire.

[ljbondoc]

Was it "alloy" instead of metal that you were thinking of?

[Nops341]

And the moral of this story is.....YOU CAN'T TRUST THE SYSTEM!

[FreekCarnivale]

@Nops341 so many things to throw on the ground.

[Hansteikekara]

carbon fiber can brake when you change tires if your not carfull

[67kneil]

from a survivalist view magnesium is best you can shave the rims to start a fire



[ilgvars210]

Eurovision 2012 Latvia - Music Thief i simply couldnt give this simply paste this,

[BloomingtonNinja]

Awesome video. I was considering upgrading mine for a while for looks and performance. Stock on my bike ('10 250r) was cast aluminum so making the $1,500 jump to carbon is difficult to justify when I could invest that much in better suspension or engine mods.

[Hoytash1]

@BloomingtonNinja why would you invest that much in a beginner bike? its only worth 5k

[BloomingtonNinja]

@BloomingtonNinja Contrary to popular misconception, the Ninja 250r is far from "just a beginner bike". I take great pride in my Ninja and wouldn't trade it for any 600cc/1000cc supersport bike (barring possibility to sell said traded bike).

[Kmanmarr]

@BloomingtonNinja If your happy with your ninja thats cool but if your licence lets you ride any capacity motorcycle and if you haven't already go try out some larger capacity supersports before spending the dough on some rims, design wise their alot more modern and 600's are just so light now that they handle pretty amazingly, ride what your comfortable with though.

[BloomingtonNinja]

@Kmanmarr Well put. I've already ridden an R1, R6, 650r, zx6r, and cbr600rr. All things considered, I still liked the 250r best because of ALL AROUND cost and you can always ride the hell out of it. I'd rather have a bike with personality than a stock supersports too. If money/speeding tickets weren't an issue I would ride an RSV4 Factory though :P

[Kmanmarr]

@BloomingtonNinja Yea, I'm not really a fan of the Japanese supersports either, just too refined and smooth, the wee ninja does have that ducati-ish anger in the power delivery.

[pcracer2]

@BloomingtonNinja a 250 may be slow in comparison, but they all can get you killed the same way. there is a female rider around where i live and she can smoke me on some back twisties because her little ninja is more agile. most sport bike riders only know how to go fast in one direction... straight!!! me being one of them because i dont have the kohones to get my knee down :P

[dbauernf]

m13 - You ARE aware that not all "STOCK" wheels are the same, right? Some bikes have very good wheels stock.

[13mordeth]

@dbauernf Yes, good point. Not all stock rims are "heavy", but even guys with top end Ducati sometimes get aftermarket rims.....so even with good stock rims the aftermarket option is normally better.

[dbauernf]

@13mordeth The weight is not the only problem here. Check the aftermarket car rim situation. There's hundreds of manufacturers of car rims, virtually all are lighter then any steel OEM car wheel, and MOST of them is pure crap and actually dangerous to use. That's about to happen with motorcycle rims now that it's getting cheaper and cheaper to manufacture them. You'll have 20 brands with carbon rims, and 18 will make deathtraps, not quality wheels. But some care about weight only so..

[pcracer2]

@dbauernf i agree. if you are street riding then just leave the factory rims on it, other than paint/powdercoat. my bike is completely stock other than a few cosmetic changes. i just dont see the point in blowing thousands to gain a few horsepower/lbs torque just to goof off on the weekends.

[jsbgamer21]

Maybe its been said, maybe not. But I think the word u were looking for is alloy. Wish I could afford some of those rims

[ArchimedeanEye]

Why the hell would you need carbon or high content magnesium wheels for street riding?

More exotic and lighter material does not equal better for the application, it just equals more expensive and greater bragging rights.... Racing is a different story.

[13mordeth]

@ArchimedeanEye Why the hell would someone want their street bike to accelerate quicker, brake sooner, and handle better? Hmmm.....good question.

[ArchimedeanEye]

@13mordeth Yes it is a good question. IMO, for cost to benefit ratio of carbon or magnesium wheel vs. a well designed aluminium wheel - for the street, an aluminium wheel wins hands down. I would much prefer to have the durability and piece of mind knowing that if I hit a kerb or pothole in the road unexpectedly, I don't have to wonder about when my wheel will fail on me. But hey, justify the wank factor how ever you want.

[13mordeth]

@ArchimedeanEye I think the video is about upgrading rims. I don't think I say specifically for street riding. I myself ride mostly on the track nowadays.

[haddii2324]

@13mordeth I think he just means it's a lot of money to do the same thing you were doing before you bought them. But he's wrong, as you say it affects all aspects of the bike so well worth the money I think.

[chevlumina]

so are carbon fiber wheels stronger than forged magnesium wheels?

[13mordeth]

@chevlumina Stronger, but with less flex. So it takes more to damage them....but when they DO get damaged...they break.

[Miata822]

Magnesium also burns much better.  It is harder to light than carbon fiber but once it gets going...

[Crissangelfan200]

Awww the dogs are so cute <3

[chevlumina]

@Crissangelfan200 they eat dogs over there

[Crissangelfan200]

@chevlumina okay that was a dumb response it's their culture its like people eating cow or pork and not all people eat them some people have them as pets so just stop it

[TaoriUTS]

ok so i need carbon fiber rims... well that and a motorcycle to put them on :/

[KINGCALLO]

You be stupid to buy stuff like that just for street riding.

[Wootguy238]

Bikers need their fiber too.

[demoleus]

Ca + Mg = Camg

nevah forget

[xx4x4x4]

The word you forgot is fuck...

[DannySong100]

@13Mordeth, so yeah I've been watching you're videos for a few days now and I got to say you are amazing, just fucking amazing. But question, I was wondering if I should get aluminum rims to replace my steel rims, since I don't really have the money for magnesium or carbon fiber. What do you suggest?

[FMMProductions]

@DannySong100 Just get whatever you feel comfortable spending money on. I'm going to use a EvE Online term and say: 'Only fly what you can afford to lose'.

[13mordeth]

@DannySong100 Aluminium is the middle ground. Lighter than stock, but not as light as carb/mag. But it also has the benefit of being more sturdy than both carb and mag.

[LeeStaggo]

Moto GP riders been using carbon fiber rims for years now.

[ErKa44]

Some car companies are actually going to build full carbon chassis sports cars, because its affordable now. Its stronger and lighter then aluminium.

[jlcyamaha]

its your choise, any high $ aftermarket rim will be good. your not ever riding at a leavel to need the best, its differant for every rider and his bike/style. if you are good enough to need the best of the best for you, you will have the money and resources to test all of them out. plain and simple. for that reason, id deffinatly go for magneesium. now if u want the rims cuz there cool, then buy the coolest looking rims. its simple....

[Moosepiesandwich]

So now your bike can have a carbon fiber footprint.

[ElDummkopf]

@M13 - was the word you were trying to use - Malleable?

[13mordeth]

@ElDummkopf No I think I was trying to say "substance" or "alloy".

[Warhawk407]

@13mordeth tolerable material? You can solder the material to repair?

[al24121989]

@ElDummkopf malleable is a top word!

[OldSerpentOfSin]

@ElDummkopf You got his name wrong its M13mordeth

[107jm]

great topic

[daewooparts]

i love to burn UNREPAIRABLE MAGNESIUM "Mg" wheels if i don't sell the scrap metal , can't put it out and it burns white like HID lights

[daewooparts]

carbon fiber can get brittle from exposure to sunlight, not good to leave them outside for long periods of time in direct sunlight! Magnesium is better it can be fixed if you know how to repair them , Magnesium is highly flammable so they better know how to repair them and not just put a torch on them ,it has to be done in a inert gas enviorment,once magnesium gets burning its even hard to extinguish with water,you need foam or sand to suffacate the reaction

[SteelCityDucati]

Google "Blackstone Tec Carbon Fiber wheels...worth the money?" and you'll see that a lot of carbon fiber wheels can break pretty easily. (according to real racers)

[13mordeth]

@SteelCityDucati "I'd have to say it depends on the crash. I've seen two aluminum wheels torn to bits this season while working for michelin. Both stock, not super light, super thin ones. That having been said, doesn't it seem to be the case that the VERY expensive carbon wheels will always receive more attention when they fail/crack/break than when cheaper wheels do?

If you've got enough money to actual buy carbon wheels you probably aren't too worried about the possibly issues with strength."

[teamcoalhapcharcoal]

i have cast iron rims mainly because they are extremely light

[MrChovv]

@teamcoalhapcharcoal hahahahahahahaha sameeeeeeeeeee

[thelawnguys93]

theres like a 3 sec "ughhhhhhh" within the first 5 seconds of the video....how does that hapen, u didnt even plan 5 seconds into your video....ughhhhhhhh

[hejjagedu]

Pfft, Mercury rims is how I roll

[molomono]

Magnesium bends Carbon fiber is a woven material that absolutely will not.

I know from bmx experience that yes carbon is stronger but repeated impacts will make it about as reliable as glass, it becomes extremely fragile.

[daewooparts]

@molomono the sun also kills them quick too ,i seen them shatter/break out in the cali sun &heat

[MaGiCpEnGu1n]

This is a stupid question, and you probably have said this or answered this in another video. Do you do these videos to keep up your English so you never forget? Either way, I still enjoy watching your videos :)

[Incurafy]

@MaGiCpEnGu1n He's an English language teacher so he's not really going to forget any time soon. :P

[MaGiCpEnGu1n]

@Incurafy Oh awesome! I chose French.. why do you care? I don't know! haha :P

[sbaldwinus]

do Asians make better drivers than Americans? I cannot imagine US here in TN driving and riding together on those narrow roads and not have a hell of a lot of accidents.

[nanahc]

i thought magnesium is only for the track, my friend has some and they got cracked changing a tyre and when he complained to the company they said he never should have had them on a street bike as they are not safe for the street due to them breaking from the stress normal roads put on them.

[majch]

@nanahc That's a lie, company just didn't want to pay for breaking your friend's rim.

[nanahc]

@majch it was 2 diff company's, the one who broke the rim said it was like that when they got them, then he emailed the manufacturer and said their rims wer crap and they said it broke cause he used them on the street and they wernt meant for road use.

[StayGold505]

Also... If your in a survival situation, magnesium rims can be used as a fire starter.

[outdoorsman310]

how long do carbon fiber rims last? or what mantinence do you have to do on them

[StevenRHaz]

talk about other stuff besides motorcycles... sheesh.

[OMGLS1]

I've never actually looked into this, but what makes these rims so expensive? Is it the material and work it takes to create them? Or is it the demand of product?

[banddude121]

@OMGLS1 I would say both. You have to weave the Carbon Fiber.

[Bristecom]

Why do MotoGP bikes use magnesium wheels over carbon fiber? Is it a regulation? I think I heard somewhere that magnesium wheels have better linearity in their flexing.

[op3l]

@Bristecom carbon fiber don't flex as well. In fact they don't flex at all and if they do they tend to just snap in half. It's very hard to tell if your carbon fiber rims have been damaged as well because it's made by little carbon fibers that are woven together, so unlike metal that will show stress signs, carbon fibre will look ok, until it just snaps and breaks.

[Bristecom]

@op3l I believe they can adjust the stiffness/flex of carbon fibers based on the weaves. But getting the balance right and reliable is still a very difficult task. Look into the Ducati MotoGP bike's frame. They eventually gave up on carbon fiber because it wouldn't always act the way they wanted it to. Also, there are variable flex carbon fiber bicycle frames out there as well.

[ckboy023]

Ok, so carbon fiber for rims is a bit of a dumb idea, yes it's light, but not that much lighter than Magnesium and the thing is that it's so stiff so it doesn't bend, at all, so what normally would bend a metal rim, will break a carbon fiber rim, KTM has been working on a hollow CF rim that works with the tolerances on the tire for it not to happen, and it is dangerous, because it chips it breaks into tiny little spikes that are hard to clean and that's why they are banned, they cause crashes...

[13mordeth]

@ckboy023 Carbon Fiber is still a good idea....did you know that Mags have a rather quick expiry date? It's true. Spend 4 grand on mags and a few years later they're worthless. Carbon Fiber rims can be ridden forever as long as you don't have a serious crash.

[evogibson92]

@13mordeth the good news is, when hte rims are shot, justl ight em on fire and have a pretty light show

[RockThePylon]

@13mordeth Metal Fatigue.

Aluminium is also susceptible.

Steel has a fatigue limit, where stresses below have no effect. Al and Mg have no fatigue limit, and thus any stress, no matter how small, will weaken the material.

Obviously, these characteristics are known, and designed for. Quality Al and Mg wheels should last.

[13mordeth]

@RockThePylon But it goes beyond that. Mag rims are somewhat unstable. And even sitting on a shelf in a dark room....they "go bad". They can't be used 3 or 4 years after manufacture. It's something like that. So NEVER buy them 2nd hand.

[TheAndy1233]

will you ever turbocharge you bike?

[aahhmmeedd112233]

Malleable is the word

[Xaerin]

dogs play weird

[poopikins]

I didn't know what you were talking about, but I still enjoyed your vid :3

[Apittington]

@Donalcopop They might, but it is not required. Water will put out gas when used correctly, and definitely would not result in an explosion on contact :)

[gpc510]

I think the word you were going for was malleable

[Apittington]

Up=put :P

[Apittington]

Interesting fact about magnesium alloy parts on cars/motorcycles, if the bike/car ever catches on fire, and the mag parts get heated, not only will they burn, they will explode if water is used to up them out! lol

Fire departments must use foam to put out fires where magnesium is involved.

[DonAlcopop]

@Apittington wouldn't they be doing that anyway with a fire involving flammable liquids?

[zeejenkins]

is there a way where you can setup your camera so we can see more of the bike / scooter your riding ? Like higher FOV ? I think that would give the viewer a bit better view.

[fragmasterkarl]

I Run Marchesini Supermoto Wheels rims On My Drz

[onelane]

Sweet. Just saw a wrb subaru wagon!

[Vrublevskogo]

Wooden are cheap ones

[smasila]

I believe Formula 1 cars have Magnesium rims.

[DeutschEagle]

@smasila Its a magnesium alloy...in other words its not fully magnesium

[EdyPegasus]

@smasila because carbon fiber does not fit the purpose... for all racing bikes its carbon fiber that is used...

[QcLoic]

@smasila no OZ titanium

[nkosto1993]

@smasila That's true, but only because carbon rims are banned... Like M13 said, old school rule.

[honko802]

alloy?

[Onizcc]

The word you forgot is malleable. :)

[0Airsnark0]

im assuming you mean some kind of magnesium alloy as i cant see pure magnesium being very safe

[hmpeter]

@0Airsnark0

Ofcourse an alloy!

But it´s a bit more handy to say 'I have a steel frame' instead of ' I have a X5CrNi18-10 frame' . . . you get the point?

[0Airsnark0]

@hmpeter yes but i am interested in what alloy as magnesium isnt the first kind of metal that springs to mind to put in an alloy to make rims

[hmpeter]

@0Airsnark0

ok, i understand.

Im am interested in that too since a quite reactive and difficult processable material like magnesium doesn´t sound like a good idea. :-)

They use it for racing bycicles for some time, but the exact alloys are confidential.

[0Airsnark0]

@hmpeter exactly, and damn do they atleast say what other metals are in there or is it completely confidential?

[hmpeter]

@0Airsnark0

I dont´t know about the alloys of the few real magnesium rims out there.

Often they claim 'magnesium rims', but mean AlMgSi instead with magnesium content as low as 3%.

[0Airsnark0]

@hmpeter that makes more sense

[gadzoke]

@0Airsnark0 actually magnesium is very safe. Its been used on aircraft since the 70s, especially helicopters for transmission cases. Yes magnesium is indeed VERY VERY flammable, but in powder form. As a solid mass it is n't flammable under normal street conditions. If a Blackhawk can crash and erupt in flames from 300 gallons of jet fuel and ALL the transmissions remain intact (which are made from magnesium), I'm sure wheel rims are safe.

[0Airsnark0]

@gadzoke i was thinking more along the lines or corrosion not flamability

[gadzoke]

@0Airsnark0 Oh... thats even easier... Powder coating fixes that problem

[0Airsnark0]

@gadzoke so thats why they powder coat haha that makes sense :D

[Fjorgeron]

mordeth13 ROCKS!

[TheDeduction]

Malleable was the word you forgot 

[sebastian3358spawn]

Mw3 ftw!

[kontaktseistrup]

Please don't listen to this man, i have said this before, but in different ways; He bases all his information of things he heard by people down at his shop or friends. DO NOT TAKE ADVICE REGARDING MOTORCYCLES FROM THIS PERSON.

[0Airsnark0]

@kontaktseistrup and why should we take your advice not to take his advise??

[13mordeth]

@kontaktseistrup You're an idiot. I spent hours researching this topic by reading articles written by experts, searching through the internet, and reading motorcycle magazines. There isn't much else a person could do outside of that. And I've been following Carbon rims for about 6 years now.

[crek1]

0:53 lol

[IMpringi]

for offroad use magnesium would be better right

[ian27293]

@LilSharpie1

He said carbonfiber at 5:23

[lwkleijn]

carbon fiber is not really as though as metal it's more a body thing. So go for magnesium

[Henry1993bc]

@lwkleijn it is alot tougher per unit mass

[TheBenzE]

Forget Carbon fiber. . . its all about CarboTANIUM :3

[andysim232]

Malable

[Dexi]

Malleable? btw

[turnip121]

hey m13

[MrAirsofter110]

U should post like 3 more vids today cuz I'm home sick :/ lol ill favorite and like them...it would make feel better too :)

[jackdanielmills]

;)

[Dexi]

"Which you should be" *waves hands* hahaha.

[LilSharpie1]

IF you had the money M13 which would you choose?

[FinalCorner]

i like turtles

[FrancescotheTank]

1st