@sifugarry would you have not waited a while for this fight? only 18 months of Wing Chun barely covers anything. in a amateur fight shouldnt youre student cover the basics? does he do all his moves cleanly? I am a student of Traditional Wing Chun and have been doing it for over 7 years. Please write back
@UltimateHalogeek117: You take each person on their merits. For full contact fighting, fitness and power is paramount. In full contact fighting, my students only use some principles of wing chun, being straight line punches, front kick, parallel leg fighting, flying knees and foot work.
I like how you took a video of two Muay Thai guys and labeled it "Wing Chun vs Muay Thai" as though this is proof that Wing Chun makes sense in any way. Even if one of those guys really did do Wing Chun, all it proves is that when put under pressure, someone trained in both Wing Chun and Muay Thai will use Muay Thai and nothing from Wing Chun.
@truekoreanlover well, in a real fight you use any technique you are familiar with. That`s the famous transition of movements between different styles that Bruce Lee brilliantly described. And That`s why he wasn`t sticked only to wing chun but wanted more to fill in the gaps.
@whiteasasheet Yes well it was developed in Southern China where cramped quarters made it a more effective style, however if you can get close enough and keep the distance close it can be deadly... My old Wing Chun teacher showed me a video where he got beaten by a Mantis practicioner who went to the ground and hammered him with kicks whenever he tried to get close, a little lame but super effective.
@whiteasasheet I will go to a to my uncle's friend Puerto Rican Boxing Gym and I will beat ass and If you say that there no good your out if your mind! lol
well...cant say anything about the wing chun fighter cause ive never studied it...but the muay thai fighter is terrible...wrong foot work, guard is down...technique wrong...he wouldnt last in a proper muay thai fight
You know, im tired of watching videos of people that do not know wing tsun. If you realy practice good wt, you will be able give a good fight against anyone. You adapt yourself in th fight. That´s personal expierience. But in this video, this guy dosen´t know how to use a pack- sao nor tan sao. Come on! At least Ebmas is a good Wt system that works for me.And you know how to apply in a fight the bassics moves of WT.
i've done muay thai for 11 years now and i must say, it has devastating physical effects on the body. It's a very devastating martial art but i just adapt it other martial arts such as jiu jitsu and CQC. I personally prefer CQC because its actually something i can use if the situation ever arises but one thing i've discovered is muay thai has some serious unbalancing issues so if you dont hav good fundamentals on tong su do or jiu jitsu it makes it a very hard style to learn and master. :/
what sport is strongest between wing tsun vs Muay Thai? I want to know and start in the sport that is dangerous, I have an advantage has weak legs but the upper body fast, sooner walked in boxing for a year ago, which advantage has been in its sport and which should I choose? there is an advantage or disadvantage of anyone? I need something innate that longer legs or anything at to be aligned and have the advantage to any species? answer me privately or post comments
@SafkoTheBest first of all wing tsun and muay thai arent sports their martial arts i would say wing tsun since it does have some kicks but it has alot of strikes using your arms, it also helps to have fast reflexes
It didn't look immediately like wingchun from the way he kept holding and moving his hands, it took a few views for me to recognise which person was boxing and which was wingchun, of course, 18months is not long and in the ring it's easy to forget and act more like a boxer.
@sifugarry: I think your student does well. Of course, Wing Chun is not suited for the ring, and your student applies principles, not techniques. He goes in where the way is free, and so on. I would say that he probably is a bit too frontal for my taste, he could have taken the outer position more often in order not not have a confrontation of force so often, but I think he did fine. How long did he learn Wing Chun before this video?
@krywult - Luke trained in wing chun for about 18 months before he embarked on a full contact "career". He had 7 fights for 5 wins with 1 TKO. This video is purely an amateur fight for first timers, etc, to have a go. When fighting in a muaythai contest, there must be muaythai techniques executed, or you will be judged badly. There are more fights of Luke, etc. Please check my forum out. Cheers.
@sifugarry Thanks for the Info. where can I find your forum, and what's your lineage? I'm in Yip Man>Leung Ting lineage (6 yrs of training), and my nephew does Pin San Wing Chun (Lee Shing>Austin Goh), though currently he trains in a Wong Shun Leung school till March. It fascinating to compare the differences and similarities in the application of the Wing Chun principles and in the training concepts (and it's sad to see the verbal fights some WC guys give each other). Cheers.
@krywult: comments do not allow url's. The forum is "jee shin wing chun forum".
My lineage is Leung Bik Yip Man lineage through William Cheung. I have been involved with wing chun since the mid 80's. I also have a line through Wong Chun Leung via David Cheung and I have 4 years with Pien Sun wing chun from Gulo in sth China. Cheers.
This isn't an amatuer fight. It's 2 lads in the ring having a crack with a ref. It looks like basic sparring to me, which you should be doing for a portion of your regular training anyway. Just get rid of the ref. The lads will work it out by themselves. If you can get rid of ego in training you'll learn heaps with regular full contact sparring. Good on you. This sort of stuff is what really prepares you for combat
nooo! watch bruce lee's interviews not his movies! lol bruce lee didn't fight like he really would in his movies, after every kick he screams and flexes...and might i add, probably poo's his shorts a little too.
With all due respects, WC is more than just chain punching, vertical or straight punches and kicks. There's applied science and physics as well as other techniques to jam and redirect your opponents attacks involved also that you will not see in this video since these kids are obviously beginners. Check out some of sifu alan lee's demos if you can find any or even Gary Lam. (no affiliations by the way. Just seen their online demos and their pretty impressive as a reference) Cheers!
who is wing chun ?? if that is your son .. I can believe .. there is no wing chun.. if once someone is attack master wing chun..(any a punch, a kick) all situation witll be end in 3 sec.. wing chun is not sports show .. short time and quickly.
That's completely true, yeah okay so what if they are not masters at their art, they are amateurs like you said who just have the balls to let it all out. =]
Of course they would not last against more experienced fighters, they're not suppose to. That's the whole reason behind separating fighters in categories of experience. An experience fighter should not want to fight an inexperienced fighter, and if he or she does, then there's something wrong with them. He did great for his first time out.
@sifugarry thank you thats why they are called ammy fights! good call! they got the guts and heart to go in there and do it, but the people who sit back and yell crap dont have what it takes to go to the gym or dojo and bleed, sweat and work through the cramped and torn muscles it takes just to get ready for the "ammy" fights, and to think if they still want to go "pro" they need to do this for a coupl more years...
@sifugarry thank you thats why they are called ammy fights! good call! they got the guts and heart to go in there and do it, but the people who sit back and yell crap dont have what it takes to go to the gym or dojo and bleed, sweat and work through the cramped and torn muscles it takes just to get ready for the "ammy" fights, and to think if they still want to go "pro" they need to do this for a couplemore years...
@sifugarry thank you that is why they are called ammy fights! good call! they got the guts and heart to go in there and do it, but the people who sit back and yell crap don't have what it takes to go to the gym or dojo and bleed, sweat and work through the cramped and torn muscles it takes just to get ready for the "ammy" fights, and to think if they still want to go "pro" they need to do this for a couple more years...
In China full contact fighting for all martial arts styles is called "San Jow".
For his first fight, my wing chun student is endeavoring to use wing chun principles, but, at times he has to adapt and use the rules of the day. Yes, it is difficult to use wing chun hand techniques, due to the gloves. Jabs, front kicks, controlling the center for take downs and footwork are all wing chun kung fu principles. The level of fitness and stamina required to compete should always be compimented.
Wing chun is suitable for all genders, adults and children. Try a class out, and see if it suits you. Remember, all wing chun classes or schools are not the same.
@gr1mreaper25 All martial arts are the same. You just have to be fit and have good reflexes. Speed, Strength, Stamina, Style. And Wing Chun helps you build faster reflexes and is pretty good in street fighting. Bruce Lee's JKD was pretty much based on Wing Chun. Watch some Bruce Lee interviews or films you'll get the idea.
@gr1mreaper25 I think it depends on what you want. If you want to be safe on the streets, probably even against many aggressors, WC is the first choice. If you want to do sport fights in a ring, go for MT or KB.
WC focuses on good stance and core stability. I'm no expert so i shall assume both fighters are decent, but i see no WC principles here with stance, power efficiency, center line, and arms.
Too much power in the punches come purely from the shoulder and not the elbow/forearm/stance link up.
Wing Chun is so adaptable, it can be used anywhere. You just have to adapt to the situation. In the ring, with gloves, obviously, certain techniques can't be used. Principles of wing chun that can be used are; footwork, straight line punches, control centerline for takedowns, parallel leg approach, knees and elbows.
xDDDDD wing chun doesn't use elbows and knee's just out of the open... only when you control the opponent... OBVIOUSLY! wing chun is all about control, not trying to beat your opponent in power and speed
Many people think this is just a myth... so no one knows whether or not this is true. Many people even believe that there wasn't a girl called Yim Wing Chun. Everything is just a myth. Wing Chun was created by some people in "Red Ship".
Wing Chun is effective and should only be used in self defense. I have used it many times in my job as a UK Cop, and since training in Wing Chun, found it to be more effective than any other form I have done over my many years.
In Oz, wing chun is too deadly for the police force. TWC is an attacking system with comprehensive skills in self defense. Remember, wing chun was developed for one purpose; to assasinate and kill people during the ching dynasty. Today, wing chun is very effective and easily adapted in the ring, on the streets, for that matter; enywhere.
thats the "official" version of how it came about however according to some the story of yim wing chun was a myth to hide the true purpose of the art whether this is true or not is open to debate
I was told by my sifu and others Wing Chun was developed for another reason. A woman named Wing Chun was being harrassed by a man. To settle it once and for all they decided to fight. Then Ng Mui (if I remember the name correctly) developed Wing Chun for her, and she won the fight.
I dont know too much about Wing Chun but it seems to me that its more for the street, with a pair of thick gloves the fists are not as hard and it reduces your speed and range
Wing-tsun is a martial art thats very dangurous. Many moves are forbiden in tournaments thats why its way difrent that in a real fight, usually wing-tsun fight lasts only about 2-3sec. if not then (you lose.)
your exactly right....it was allowed into the early MMA ring fights becuase there was no sport involved....all the fights ended within 2-3 mins like you said..purely self defence
Wing chun kung fu is so practical, it can be used under any cirmustances. In a full contact fight (amateur), principles of wing chun are used. Straight line attack with front kick and straight punch. Wing chun footwork and parallel leg control and much more. Of course, one cannot employ the typical wing chun techniques, but, my students are challenging themselves against very tough fighters.
Yes :) In the first form you learn the basics, you lay the ground. You learn Bong-sau, Tan-sau and Gun-sau etc. The other forms are more like ways of using these moves. Siu nim Tau is the name of the first form. It is the one you should practice the most. Get Siu-nim-tau right and Chum Kiu (Second form) will come much more easy.
SLT is the "alphabet and mathematics" of the wing chun system. All the fundamental principles of wing chun are in SLT. SLT also teaches correct breathing, which is "natural and reverse abdominal breathing". Correct placement of the techniques in SLT, will automatically dictate your position and distance in application, as well as 50/50 weight distribution, balance, forward intention, and chi power. SLT will also give you correct positioning on the wooden dummy.
The only guess I have, is that the one that used that jumping knee more than once is the MuayThai guy. apart from that, not much difference. One of them using a shirt?
The one using the flying knees, without the shirt on, is the wing chun student. In TWC we use flying knees to bridge the gap. Off course u r limited with gloves, but then u have knees and elbows, controlling the center and the straight punch or jab.
True but it's a cop out in a way too. If you're doing it and getting in a clinch or super close range every time, you're doing it wrong. THats right. Just bc there are elbows and knees doesn't mean wrestle the guy or clinch and knee him. You should be owning him with your punches.
But the thing is BJJ leaves you open for strikes.... and sure in sports. If you're close enough(on the ground)... Strikes can become lacking in their effect which makes pure strikers get defeated easily by submissions. But groin shots still are effective at any range. Unless you're a shaolin monk. Or not a regular human. Also in ninjutsu we make strikes at throats as well. All these cheap shots are built into our way of fighting. It's not something we have to think about.
Neck attacks do work if the person doesn't tuck their neck, and I have actual experience doing this so I do agree with you on the effectiveness of those if you can pull it off. The real notion I hate is that martial arts are rendered useless against bites and so on. Groin shots work, but I've seen guys take them from the old NHB days, so they can be handled. Also, its hard to get a person with a bite or anyother move of that sort when a RNC is locked in fully, so I'd say in that case..
Learn excapes. Also, I disagree with open hand strikes. They tend to hurt less than knuckle strikes and leave you open to broken fingers if they are gotten hold of. Hands are open in wrestling moves like the double leg take down, but the hand isnt easy to reach from there. Admittingly, most sport fighters wouldn't think of losing a finger, but they do have pain tolerance, which is very important. If you cant think when your hit, its over, no matter what you do.
nah...i disagree....i took other styles before taking wing chun and i must say...u cant beat someone that knows a little bit of everything...wing chun is great defensively, but lacks in offense and footwork. chi sau is also a really bad way to train becuz in REAL combat situations, are u really gonna ask ur opponent to put his hands up and put it on top of urs? didn't think so. so dats y i think bruce lee corrected all the flaws wing chun has...just an opinion on the art...dats all
Jee Shin wing chun is all about attack and offence, after you first 12 months of training. Chi Sao touching hands simulates a real situation of tussle, push and shove. Remember, chi sao is a training tool, NOT A FIGHTING METHOD!
dont forget about long arm chi sao most practitioners never get there so they remain flat footed... the goal of the ving tsun system is ultimately self knowledge, JKD was an expression of bruce's kung fu based on his experiences and tendencies. as practitioners we should all have our own kung fu. At this point in my kung fu everything i do is ving tsun even if you dont find it in my forms its the nature behind the hands that gives a movement substance.
never said it's a fighting method, but it is a TRAINING METHOD...the body cannot react to anything it's not used to doing or seeing...real fights dont always start wit a simple push touch or shove...it's very unpredictable so in order to get around unpredictability u must be a well rounded fighter....
Also I learned a bit of ground control. And a couple bjj moves. So i'm not totally ignorant of how to move if the fight goes to the ground. I do think knowing ground control is essential in todays martial art.
I disagree, tightening is a natural response to pain. Also, you can press your head again a persons head while doing a rearnaked choke so as to avoid eye gouging. There was a fight against the savate fighter from UFC1 poked a guys eyes and still lost. The other guy couldnt fight after(which is the reason you keep these moves out of competition) but he won the fight, and if he wanted to could have killed him my not letting the choke go(I believe it was a choke).
Whenever you recieve a pain especially to fragile tissue such as the groin... The brain receives an interrupt request. The nervous system says PAIN to the brain and interrupt the brain telling the muscle to tighten. That's where you get the "wince" from. You should learn simple biology and human anatomy if you think what you're saying is true. It's actually laughable.
If that was so simply hitting the person choking you would work, but you can see in many a match it doesn't. Of course it causes weakening for that moment, but a guy doesn't just let go of a choke when its fully locked in. Myself I have a real life example, you have theory. Another thing to realize is digging vs poking. If a guy pokes you right in the eye, that's something you don't expect, but when he is facing the other way and searching for your eyes you are prepared for it.
You don't have to fully let go of a choke. Once you wince, your opponent capitalizes on it. That's the point in doing it. And sometimes they DO completely let go in order to try and get you in a position where you can't bite or strike them. Even in BJJ you use strikes in order to get your way with an opponent. How do you know i'm speaking pure theory? In fact I can resist a choke from most people, especially long enough for me to dig into the pressure point on the arm.
What, you can't show wing tsun moves?? Of course you can, and some moves do look flashy, and when you speak of boxing, there is nothing "flashy" about that at all. And I can assure you that a good muay tahi fighter going at it for real, "will also result in serious injury to the agressor."
Wing chun was made around breaking bones and really trying to hurt people. I know this isnt fantasy based because im one of the few people that have actually been attacked and used wing chun to defend myself.
How do they break bones without striking them unconscious?
Because if they try to headlock, arm bar, or shoulder lock me. I'm going to bite the shit out of them and tap groin's. If it was a street fight anyways.
Trust me, if its a fight there is no way in hell I'm letting a lock go. You'd best learn reversals, because a guy would take much more than a kick to the groin to win a fight. Also, its hard to damage a person with a locked in near naked choke. Watch Frank mir vs sylvia.
I don't mean to say groin kicks don't work, I simply want to say people can and have taken them and continued. As for bites, they are so short ranch you'd have to have to guy in your control to use them, its not really the best defensive move, at least not on the feet. As I said, its the notion adding these changes everything that bugs me, not the pain they inflict.
As Bruce Lee said. You don't make a plan of biting, for that's the quickest way to lose your teeth. You build it as a natural instinct. For fighters in sports. It's not a natural instinct, because they're not allowed to do it, so they don't train it to be. As for groin shots, they're highly effective. I've seen plenty people go down to their knees just from a tap. In ninjutsu, groin shots are actually implemented into our combinations, same with eye gouges. Don't get me wrong, I love BJJ
well said! wing chun has ridiculous rigid out of date footwork, and bitch slapping instead of properly landed blows..plus self-deluding rubbish about our art is 'too dangerous to practice'..why then did Bruce Lee realise wing chun wasn't effective as he thought and realised he had to develop a more realistic martial art?As Bruce said: "take a man & train him in boxing & wrestling for a yr & he'll beat most classical martial arts masters of a lifetime (incl.wing chun!)!"..
no wing chun is a great defense and i've seen some traditional ones and more modern but i'm not seeing a lot of the basics u would apply to those punches. iono maybe he still needs more practice cuz the other guy seems to have it down more.
I always believed that regardless what martial arts you learn, it doesn't really matter. If you put in enough effort to master it, then it really doesn't matter what you learn.
oh my gosh, this actually sounds like a non-aggressive discussion on martial arts, this is amazing. and good explanation the street fighters i know would completely agree
hmmmm...i'm a Thai fighter myself, and it has been proven an effiecient art, wing chun as well, but on the street and in the ring is different, who the hell would win in the street????
Hey Sifu Gary, well done. you are one of the few WC trainers with the balls to put it on the line. There is pactical WC that is tried and tested & there is Pussy WC, a cut above Tai Chi & all mouth. As for all you limp whimp, toed in, lean back know all fags who only talk about your patter cake WC, YOUR NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE. Words are a smoke screen for cowards & WC history is full of it. There is a new breed, ALL HAIL WING CHUN SAN SHOU !!!!!
For those of you saying that adapting to another fighting style is lowering the style, I say you do not understand wing chun. The consept is based around adapting to your opponent. One of the corner stones is to be water, changing, moving. If water is in a tea pot it is a tea pot, if in a cup it is the cup. Adapt to your opponet and you can never lose. So again I state, if you say adapting lessens an art you do not understand wing chun.
To all the critics. If my wing chun fighters become world champions, would u still criticize their performances with wing chun kung fu, or would u say:
"Wow, wing chun is a very efficient system", against muaythai.
No thats jeet kun do not wing chun. Wing chun is nto made to adapt or is it liek water. Wing chun has a very specefic clearly defined method of fighting and bouncing around with a hihg muay thai guard not even wathcing the cventerline is not it. Both fighters were doing muay thai, However, it's definitly good that they are sparring and working agasint resisting opponents and I believe thier fighting ability will be better for it, still that was not wing chun.
No I was referring to chaos's claim that wing chun was about adapting and flowing like water. That idea is jeet kun do, and for the record, a jeet kun do person could use the muay thai guar and thai satyle attacks and still be within jkd concepts, it's about taking what you find effective for you and through self discovery you discard what gets you beaten into the ground. JKD NOT wing chun.. thats all I was saying wing chun is not abt adapting.
oh of course it is a wing chun practitioner adapting to the situation by adapting his fighting style to resemble that of a kickboxer cunning very cunning :D
yeah its wing chun ADAPTED, of course its not pure wing chun but wing chun adapted, i dont know if u get what i mean, u got enought IQ to understand what something adapted is?, of course you catch that it isnt the same than the traditional but wc adapted to a MT competition isnt MT you dumb fuck ahah
if i had 3 years less than now i would be kinda paralized of ur stupidity but i have grown and now i know that the human is the worst kind of the world... WC have to be adapted to a WUSHU rules competition to work at its best becouse WC is a MA for no rules you fucking asshole
wheres the wing chun in here...the most important thing in wing chun is structure...these guys jumping around throwing kicks and snap punching are totally off of the structure....
honestly just tell me ONE thing in here thats wing chun related beside the fact that this is a martial art
to me, at the begin, guy in green shirt was MuayThai fighter, then some are saying hes WingTsun, but watching the video further, they are both fighting MuayThai, there are no low-kicks in WingTsun, they are both using low-kicks.
I know about everything but not that WingTsun has Low Kicks... Maybe Im not good enough to know about it... I know that WC is using only straight punches and kicks, no round kick like low-kick, if Low-Kick is in WC than that is new info for me, and if it is true, Im glad for it, cause Im so good at both styles WingTsun and MuayThai, witch are my most common used styles.
wing chun does have low kicks etc but this is not wing chun. wing chun is a more agressive style and one important concept is to be economical with energy not jump around like a kick boxer.
Defense against MuayThai low-kick is simple, especially with WingTsun direct kicks... You don't even need to be faster from opponent, you just need to kick him with your feet in his leg, but above the knee, that will stop his low-kick for sure, try it out, I did and it works well.
Credit for fighting man. But this is not wingchun vs. This is a Kickboxing fight.
mallick26 3 days ago
which one is wing chun and which one is muay thai ?
Davincciable 1 week ago
@sifugarry did you learn from a man named keith mazza? Thats who i train under he is next in line for grandmaster after Cheung retires.
UltimateHalogeek117 4 months ago
@UltimateHalogeek117 I trained personally with William Cheung
sifugarry 4 months ago
@sifugarry would you have not waited a while for this fight? only 18 months of Wing Chun barely covers anything. in a amateur fight shouldnt youre student cover the basics? does he do all his moves cleanly? I am a student of Traditional Wing Chun and have been doing it for over 7 years. Please write back
UltimateHalogeek117 4 months ago
@UltimateHalogeek117: You take each person on their merits. For full contact fighting, fitness and power is paramount. In full contact fighting, my students only use some principles of wing chun, being straight line punches, front kick, parallel leg fighting, flying knees and foot work.
sifugarry 4 months ago
how can you do wing chun with boxing gloves?
MrGremlin777 9 months ago 3
You have to respect anyone who steps inside the ring in a real match, but I have to ask where's the Wing Chung aspect of this fight?
georgeou 9 months ago 2
he didn't do very well, but at least he had the balls to get in the ring. That's more than 99% of you internet ninjas will ever do.
bloodriotiori 9 months ago
@bloodriotiori
99%? I sure hope that was hyperbolic man
bkzunltd000 9 months ago
Haha so easy to see which one did the wing- chun, rule number 1 no block, rule number 2 chain punches, rule number 3 constant attacking.
SeventhRoar666 9 months ago
The fighting's great and all, but who's doing Wing Chun?
firejet1000 9 months ago
Why do they use pads? :(
ThaiLoser 10 months ago
I like how you took a video of two Muay Thai guys and labeled it "Wing Chun vs Muay Thai" as though this is proof that Wing Chun makes sense in any way. Even if one of those guys really did do Wing Chun, all it proves is that when put under pressure, someone trained in both Wing Chun and Muay Thai will use Muay Thai and nothing from Wing Chun.
Ljenkins9000 10 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 Huo Yuanjia is rolling in his grave now. Let him rest!
ElectricGravity 10 months ago
I am teaching both forms, but I can't tell which is Wing Chun, which is MuayThai.
Elfrania 11 months ago
in the words of one of bruce lees students wing chun is good for fighting in a bathroom its no good for fight where people have alot of room
whiteasasheet 11 months ago 14
@whiteasasheet
Bruce Lee's students weren't that great.
Bruce Lee himself is phenomenal because of his dedication and his knowledge, but that's hard to pass down as a teacher like Ip Man did.
Also, the guys in the video aren't bad for amateurs...
But the guy training with Wing Chun has a "swing" in all his movements.
Wing Chun should be entirely straights.
truekoreanlover 10 months ago
@truekoreanlover well, in a real fight you use any technique you are familiar with. That`s the famous transition of movements between different styles that Bruce Lee brilliantly described. And That`s why he wasn`t sticked only to wing chun but wanted more to fill in the gaps.
gulag1979 9 months ago
@whiteasasheet Yes well it was developed in Southern China where cramped quarters made it a more effective style, however if you can get close enough and keep the distance close it can be deadly... My old Wing Chun teacher showed me a video where he got beaten by a Mantis practicioner who went to the ground and hammered him with kicks whenever he tried to get close, a little lame but super effective.
Mrsuperafrosamurai 8 months ago
@whiteasasheet Ha you are funny my friend trust me I will give you all the space you need and still be able to win you.
xxFlacoXD 7 months ago
@xxFlacoXD another key board warrior dont tell me you train MMA fucking muppet
whiteasasheet 7 months ago
@whiteasasheet No I practice Wing Chun and Taekwondo.
xxFlacoXD 7 months ago
@xxFlacoXD well get yourself down a western boxing gym and open sparr instead of semi contact rubbish
whiteasasheet 7 months ago
@whiteasasheet I will go to a to my uncle's friend Puerto Rican Boxing Gym and I will beat ass and If you say that there no good your out if your mind! lol
xxFlacoXD 7 months ago
@xxFlacoXD theres nothing like a open sparring session a right good brawl to open the airways
whiteasasheet 7 months ago
@xxFlacoXD I don't think that's what he was getting at....
deathangelmuffin 6 months ago
its not about the art, its about the fighter
387name 1 year ago
well...cant say anything about the wing chun fighter cause ive never studied it...but the muay thai fighter is terrible...wrong foot work, guard is down...technique wrong...he wouldnt last in a proper muay thai fight
leodex2 1 year ago
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You know, im tired of watching videos of people that do not know wing tsun. If you realy practice good wt, you will be able give a good fight against anyone. You adapt yourself in th fight. That´s personal expierience. But in this video, this guy dosen´t know how to use a pack- sao nor tan sao. Come on! At least Ebmas is a good Wt system that works for me.And you know how to apply in a fight the bassics moves of WT.
RichardDeanA 1 year ago
I took a while to figure out who is who. You might wanna post their pants colour on the description.
Invincnerd 1 year ago
i've done muay thai for 11 years now and i must say, it has devastating physical effects on the body. It's a very devastating martial art but i just adapt it other martial arts such as jiu jitsu and CQC. I personally prefer CQC because its actually something i can use if the situation ever arises but one thing i've discovered is muay thai has some serious unbalancing issues so if you dont hav good fundamentals on tong su do or jiu jitsu it makes it a very hard style to learn and master. :/
IceMann402 1 year ago
what sport is strongest between wing tsun vs Muay Thai? I want to know and start in the sport that is dangerous, I have an advantage has weak legs but the upper body fast, sooner walked in boxing for a year ago, which advantage has been in its sport and which should I choose? there is an advantage or disadvantage of anyone? I need something innate that longer legs or anything at to be aligned and have the advantage to any species? answer me privately or post comments
SafkoTheBest 1 year ago
@SafkoTheBest first of all wing tsun and muay thai arent sports their martial arts i would say wing tsun since it does have some kicks but it has alot of strikes using your arms, it also helps to have fast reflexes
Martialartscrazy100 1 year ago
@SafkoTheBest There's no strongest, all are equal and have weaknesses.
Wing Chun is not a sport.
BlindingAnime 1 year ago
It didn't look immediately like wingchun from the way he kept holding and moving his hands, it took a few views for me to recognise which person was boxing and which was wingchun, of course, 18months is not long and in the ring it's easy to forget and act more like a boxer.
schnarf5 1 year ago
@sifugarry: I think your student does well. Of course, Wing Chun is not suited for the ring, and your student applies principles, not techniques. He goes in where the way is free, and so on. I would say that he probably is a bit too frontal for my taste, he could have taken the outer position more often in order not not have a confrontation of force so often, but I think he did fine. How long did he learn Wing Chun before this video?
krywult 1 year ago 4
@krywult - Luke trained in wing chun for about 18 months before he embarked on a full contact "career". He had 7 fights for 5 wins with 1 TKO. This video is purely an amateur fight for first timers, etc, to have a go. When fighting in a muaythai contest, there must be muaythai techniques executed, or you will be judged badly. There are more fights of Luke, etc. Please check my forum out. Cheers.
sifugarry 1 year ago 4
@sifugarry Thanks for the Info. where can I find your forum, and what's your lineage? I'm in Yip Man>Leung Ting lineage (6 yrs of training), and my nephew does Pin San Wing Chun (Lee Shing>Austin Goh), though currently he trains in a Wong Shun Leung school till March. It fascinating to compare the differences and similarities in the application of the Wing Chun principles and in the training concepts (and it's sad to see the verbal fights some WC guys give each other). Cheers.
krywult 1 year ago
@krywult: comments do not allow url's. The forum is "jee shin wing chun forum".
My lineage is Leung Bik Yip Man lineage through William Cheung. I have been involved with wing chun since the mid 80's. I also have a line through Wong Chun Leung via David Cheung and I have 4 years with Pien Sun wing chun from Gulo in sth China. Cheers.
sifugarry 1 year ago
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@sifugarry "When fighting in a muaythai contest, there must be muaythai techniques executed, or you will be judged badly."
Yeah, Muay Thai techniques, like punching and kicking. Yes, I could see how if you didn't punch or kick the whole fight they would judge you badly.
Ljenkins9000 10 months ago
@krywult ip man does :D
farrelstfn 8 months ago
@krywult huh huh...you said frontal
shannonrenee1 7 months ago
This isn't an amatuer fight. It's 2 lads in the ring having a crack with a ref. It looks like basic sparring to me, which you should be doing for a portion of your regular training anyway. Just get rid of the ref. The lads will work it out by themselves. If you can get rid of ego in training you'll learn heaps with regular full contact sparring. Good on you. This sort of stuff is what really prepares you for combat
cutdadek 1 year ago
nooo! watch bruce lee's interviews not his movies! lol bruce lee didn't fight like he really would in his movies, after every kick he screams and flexes...and might i add, probably poo's his shorts a little too.
chuninabun 1 year ago
Looks safe for the kids.
LesCrapio 1 year ago
Well he doesnt follow wing chun principles right? It's ok if its his first fight.
MrPez5 1 year ago
sorry, but this wing chun looks like kickboxing on low level.but respect that he dared to fight in the ring.
GIwillo 1 year ago
@fgquin
well actually you can see quite a few vertical punches, straight wing chun kicks and some chain punching at around 0:04
hentajus 1 year ago
@hentajus
With all due respects, WC is more than just chain punching, vertical or straight punches and kicks. There's applied science and physics as well as other techniques to jam and redirect your opponents attacks involved also that you will not see in this video since these kids are obviously beginners. Check out some of sifu alan lee's demos if you can find any or even Gary Lam. (no affiliations by the way. Just seen their online demos and their pretty impressive as a reference) Cheers!
artistled 1 year ago
@hentajus in muay thai / kickboxing terms, that would be straight left and right punch, push kicks and some punch combos. its not wing chun.
colourblind3213 1 year ago
which one is your student? ... it's kind of hard to tell :/
hentajus 1 year ago
the fighter without the singlet
sifugarry 1 year ago
bah you can't use your full wing chun potential in the ring with rules and those gloves
darkiiiee 1 year ago
Good video. I'm glad to see successful adaptability of a traditional martial art. And sportsmanship on YouTube! Who would've known?
jeffdoeskungfu 1 year ago
Kudos to the guys giving it a go...gotta start somewhere fellas...keep it up and God bless!
pistol975 1 year ago
who is wing chun ?? if that is your son .. I can believe .. there is no wing chun.. if once someone is attack master wing chun..(any a punch, a kick) all situation witll be end in 3 sec.. wing chun is not sports show .. short time and quickly.
gundrag000 1 year ago
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It's such a stagnant fight. I opened this expecting the Wing Chun student to be flying at him with some fast-paced hand blows at least.
SSandSproductions 1 year ago
Haha nothing more than 2 wannabe's, none of the "fighters" have proper defense and would surely not last long against an experienced fighter.
killahpsych 2 years ago
For the couch potatoes whom love to criticise; They are amateur first timers and have got the guts to have a go
sifugarry 2 years ago 67
sifugarry - good comment
SomTamKaoNiaow 2 years ago
That's completely true, yeah okay so what if they are not masters at their art, they are amateurs like you said who just have the balls to let it all out. =]
ESTOsorio 1 year ago
Of course they would not last against more experienced fighters, they're not suppose to. That's the whole reason behind separating fighters in categories of experience. An experience fighter should not want to fight an inexperienced fighter, and if he or she does, then there's something wrong with them. He did great for his first time out.
mdigitalman 1 year ago
@sifugarry thank you thats why they are called ammy fights! good call! they got the guts and heart to go in there and do it, but the people who sit back and yell crap dont have what it takes to go to the gym or dojo and bleed, sweat and work through the cramped and torn muscles it takes just to get ready for the "ammy" fights, and to think if they still want to go "pro" they need to do this for a coupl more years...
dogdemon82 1 year ago
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@sifugarry thank you thats why they are called ammy fights! good call! they got the guts and heart to go in there and do it, but the people who sit back and yell crap dont have what it takes to go to the gym or dojo and bleed, sweat and work through the cramped and torn muscles it takes just to get ready for the "ammy" fights, and to think if they still want to go "pro" they need to do this for a couplemore years...
dogdemon82 1 year ago
@sifugarry thank you that is why they are called ammy fights! good call! they got the guts and heart to go in there and do it, but the people who sit back and yell crap don't have what it takes to go to the gym or dojo and bleed, sweat and work through the cramped and torn muscles it takes just to get ready for the "ammy" fights, and to think if they still want to go "pro" they need to do this for a couple more years...
dogdemon82 1 year ago
@sifugarry very true
vincentmazur 6 months ago
@killahpsych dont be so hard on them
haijeo 1 year ago
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SystemaMaster 2 years ago
In China full contact fighting for all martial arts styles is called "San Jow".
For his first fight, my wing chun student is endeavoring to use wing chun principles, but, at times he has to adapt and use the rules of the day. Yes, it is difficult to use wing chun hand techniques, due to the gloves. Jabs, front kicks, controlling the center for take downs and footwork are all wing chun kung fu principles. The level of fitness and stamina required to compete should always be compimented.
sifugarry 2 years ago 5
@sifugarry Would you recomend wing chung for everybody i looked at TKD, muay thai, kickboxing but i think wing chung is pretty good.
gr1mreaper25 1 year ago
Wing chun is suitable for all genders, adults and children. Try a class out, and see if it suits you. Remember, all wing chun classes or schools are not the same.
sifugarry 1 year ago
@gr1mreaper25 All martial arts are the same. You just have to be fit and have good reflexes. Speed, Strength, Stamina, Style. And Wing Chun helps you build faster reflexes and is pretty good in street fighting. Bruce Lee's JKD was pretty much based on Wing Chun. Watch some Bruce Lee interviews or films you'll get the idea.
OBGkhanh 1 year ago
@gr1mreaper25 I think it depends on what you want. If you want to be safe on the streets, probably even against many aggressors, WC is the first choice. If you want to do sport fights in a ring, go for MT or KB.
krywult 1 year ago
This can't be Wing Chun...
WC focuses on good stance and core stability. I'm no expert so i shall assume both fighters are decent, but i see no WC principles here with stance, power efficiency, center line, and arms.
Too much power in the punches come purely from the shoulder and not the elbow/forearm/stance link up.
archkender 2 years ago
Wing Chun is so adaptable, it can be used anywhere. You just have to adapt to the situation. In the ring, with gloves, obviously, certain techniques can't be used. Principles of wing chun that can be used are; footwork, straight line punches, control centerline for takedowns, parallel leg approach, knees and elbows.
People that are naive should not make comments!
sifugarry 2 years ago
xDDDDD wing chun doesn't use elbows and knee's just out of the open... only when you control the opponent... OBVIOUSLY! wing chun is all about control, not trying to beat your opponent in power and speed
hentajus 2 years ago
I'm surprised the Wing Chun fighter preformed so well, because it's hard to use kung fu with big gloves.
Cold12345 2 years ago
Why do they both have a boxing stance ? The Wing Chunists, although I'm not 100 percent sure who it is the guy isn't hitting the centreline.
403766 2 years ago
Many people think this is just a myth... so no one knows whether or not this is true. Many people even believe that there wasn't a girl called Yim Wing Chun. Everything is just a myth. Wing Chun was created by some people in "Red Ship".
MrHueyhuey 2 years ago
WTF??? WC guy keeps on using FLYING KNEE!!! what a shitty video clip.
MrHueyhuey 2 years ago
In tradional wing chun kung fu there are flying knees in the system, used to bridge the gap on an opponent.
sifugarry 2 years ago
there are 7 different lineages of wing chun in china
sifugarry 2 years ago
I have used wing chun in my career as a security guard...and it has got to be the most effective art i have ever studied
keppy61 2 years ago 3
Wing Chun is effective and should only be used in self defense. I have used it many times in my job as a UK Cop, and since training in Wing Chun, found it to be more effective than any other form I have done over my many years.
psspd1 2 years ago
In Oz, wing chun is too deadly for the police force. TWC is an attacking system with comprehensive skills in self defense. Remember, wing chun was developed for one purpose; to assasinate and kill people during the ching dynasty. Today, wing chun is very effective and easily adapted in the ring, on the streets, for that matter; enywhere.
Cheers.
sifugarry 2 years ago
i tought that wing chun was developed for self defense by a chinise woman
vali4theworld 2 years ago
thats the "official" version of how it came about however according to some the story of yim wing chun was a myth to hide the true purpose of the art whether this is true or not is open to debate
simonandrewmiles 2 years ago
I was told by my sifu and others Wing Chun was developed for another reason. A woman named Wing Chun was being harrassed by a man. To settle it once and for all they decided to fight. Then Ng Mui (if I remember the name correctly) developed Wing Chun for her, and she won the fight.
twisterrk 2 years ago
I dont know too much about Wing Chun but it seems to me that its more for the street, with a pair of thick gloves the fists are not as hard and it reduces your speed and range
dragonbut 2 years ago
Wing-tsun is a martial art thats very dangurous. Many moves are forbiden in tournaments thats why its way difrent that in a real fight, usually wing-tsun fight lasts only about 2-3sec. if not then (you lose.)
gnt10 2 years ago
your exactly right....it was allowed into the early MMA ring fights becuase there was no sport involved....all the fights ended within 2-3 mins like you said..purely self defence
alec12 2 years ago
Wing chun kung fu is so practical, it can be used under any cirmustances. In a full contact fight (amateur), principles of wing chun are used. Straight line attack with front kick and straight punch. Wing chun footwork and parallel leg control and much more. Of course, one cannot employ the typical wing chun techniques, but, my students are challenging themselves against very tough fighters.
sifugarry 2 years ago
is it true that the first form is the most important form of wing chun?
aaeeaat 2 years ago 2
Yes :) In the first form you learn the basics, you lay the ground. You learn Bong-sau, Tan-sau and Gun-sau etc. The other forms are more like ways of using these moves. Siu nim Tau is the name of the first form. It is the one you should practice the most. Get Siu-nim-tau right and Chum Kiu (Second form) will come much more easy.
DatajProductions 2 years ago
thank you
aaeeaat 2 years ago
Happy new year.
SLT is the "alphabet and mathematics" of the wing chun system. All the fundamental principles of wing chun are in SLT. SLT also teaches correct breathing, which is "natural and reverse abdominal breathing". Correct placement of the techniques in SLT, will automatically dictate your position and distance in application, as well as 50/50 weight distribution, balance, forward intention, and chi power. SLT will also give you correct positioning on the wooden dummy.
sifugarry 2 years ago
hard to effectively use wing chun with boxing gloves on
danpats1 2 years ago 2
it is a wing chun practitioner having the balls to have a go, not like all you couch critics!!!
sifugarry 2 years ago
The only guess I have, is that the one that used that jumping knee more than once is the MuayThai guy. apart from that, not much difference. One of them using a shirt?
peposo7 2 years ago
The one using the flying knees, without the shirt on, is the wing chun student. In TWC we use flying knees to bridge the gap. Off course u r limited with gloves, but then u have knees and elbows, controlling the center and the straight punch or jab.
sifugarry 2 years ago
hrm...
wing chun is not pretty, i get the feeling sometimes wing chun is supposed to be a basis if that makes sense
you try your best to stick to it, but mistakes force otherwise
maybe
TurKdiRty 2 years ago
True but it's a cop out in a way too. If you're doing it and getting in a clinch or super close range every time, you're doing it wrong. THats right. Just bc there are elbows and knees doesn't mean wrestle the guy or clinch and knee him. You should be owning him with your punches.
pantselves 2 years ago
But the thing is BJJ leaves you open for strikes.... and sure in sports. If you're close enough(on the ground)... Strikes can become lacking in their effect which makes pure strikers get defeated easily by submissions. But groin shots still are effective at any range. Unless you're a shaolin monk. Or not a regular human. Also in ninjutsu we make strikes at throats as well. All these cheap shots are built into our way of fighting. It's not something we have to think about.
ProfessorOhms 2 years ago
Neck attacks do work if the person doesn't tuck their neck, and I have actual experience doing this so I do agree with you on the effectiveness of those if you can pull it off. The real notion I hate is that martial arts are rendered useless against bites and so on. Groin shots work, but I've seen guys take them from the old NHB days, so they can be handled. Also, its hard to get a person with a bite or anyother move of that sort when a RNC is locked in fully, so I'd say in that case..
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago
Learn excapes. Also, I disagree with open hand strikes. They tend to hurt less than knuckle strikes and leave you open to broken fingers if they are gotten hold of. Hands are open in wrestling moves like the double leg take down, but the hand isnt easy to reach from there. Admittingly, most sport fighters wouldn't think of losing a finger, but they do have pain tolerance, which is very important. If you cant think when your hit, its over, no matter what you do.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago
nah...i disagree....i took other styles before taking wing chun and i must say...u cant beat someone that knows a little bit of everything...wing chun is great defensively, but lacks in offense and footwork. chi sau is also a really bad way to train becuz in REAL combat situations, are u really gonna ask ur opponent to put his hands up and put it on top of urs? didn't think so. so dats y i think bruce lee corrected all the flaws wing chun has...just an opinion on the art...dats all
Ocirnep 2 years ago
Jee Shin wing chun is all about attack and offence, after you first 12 months of training. Chi Sao touching hands simulates a real situation of tussle, push and shove. Remember, chi sao is a training tool, NOT A FIGHTING METHOD!
sifugarry 2 years ago
dont forget about long arm chi sao most practitioners never get there so they remain flat footed... the goal of the ving tsun system is ultimately self knowledge, JKD was an expression of bruce's kung fu based on his experiences and tendencies. as practitioners we should all have our own kung fu. At this point in my kung fu everything i do is ving tsun even if you dont find it in my forms its the nature behind the hands that gives a movement substance.
OPVELEZ 2 years ago
never said it's a fighting method, but it is a TRAINING METHOD...the body cannot react to anything it's not used to doing or seeing...real fights dont always start wit a simple push touch or shove...it's very unpredictable so in order to get around unpredictability u must be a well rounded fighter....
Ocirnep 2 years ago
Also I learned a bit of ground control. And a couple bjj moves. So i'm not totally ignorant of how to move if the fight goes to the ground. I do think knowing ground control is essential in todays martial art.
ProfessorOhms 2 years ago
I disagree, tightening is a natural response to pain. Also, you can press your head again a persons head while doing a rearnaked choke so as to avoid eye gouging. There was a fight against the savate fighter from UFC1 poked a guys eyes and still lost. The other guy couldnt fight after(which is the reason you keep these moves out of competition) but he won the fight, and if he wanted to could have killed him my not letting the choke go(I believe it was a choke).
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago
Tightening is not a natural response to pain....
Whenever you recieve a pain especially to fragile tissue such as the groin... The brain receives an interrupt request. The nervous system says PAIN to the brain and interrupt the brain telling the muscle to tighten. That's where you get the "wince" from. You should learn simple biology and human anatomy if you think what you're saying is true. It's actually laughable.
ProfessorOhms 2 years ago
If that was so simply hitting the person choking you would work, but you can see in many a match it doesn't. Of course it causes weakening for that moment, but a guy doesn't just let go of a choke when its fully locked in. Myself I have a real life example, you have theory. Another thing to realize is digging vs poking. If a guy pokes you right in the eye, that's something you don't expect, but when he is facing the other way and searching for your eyes you are prepared for it.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago
You don't have to fully let go of a choke. Once you wince, your opponent capitalizes on it. That's the point in doing it. And sometimes they DO completely let go in order to try and get you in a position where you can't bite or strike them. Even in BJJ you use strikes in order to get your way with an opponent. How do you know i'm speaking pure theory? In fact I can resist a choke from most people, especially long enough for me to dig into the pressure point on the arm.
ProfessorOhms 2 years ago
What, you can't show wing tsun moves?? Of course you can, and some moves do look flashy, and when you speak of boxing, there is nothing "flashy" about that at all. And I can assure you that a good muay tahi fighter going at it for real, "will also result in serious injury to the agressor."
seraph101 2 years ago
Again, that's the final refuge of those who hide in fantasy based martial arts.
'Our stuff is too deadly to spar'
Five5six 2 years ago
your a complete dick
Wing chun was made around breaking bones and really trying to hurt people. I know this isnt fantasy based because im one of the few people that have actually been attacked and used wing chun to defend myself.
alec12 2 years ago
Jujitsu breaks bones, and they feel no reason to stop if the person doesn't tap- its proven. If wing chun can do that whats stopping them?
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago
How do they break bones without striking them unconscious?
Because if they try to headlock, arm bar, or shoulder lock me. I'm going to bite the shit out of them and tap groin's. If it was a street fight anyways.
ProfessorOhms 2 years ago
Trust me, if its a fight there is no way in hell I'm letting a lock go. You'd best learn reversals, because a guy would take much more than a kick to the groin to win a fight. Also, its hard to damage a person with a locked in near naked choke. Watch Frank mir vs sylvia.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago
If you keep me in a lock after a full force shot to the groin....... or me bitting into your flesh and ripping it.
Then you're inhuman.
ProfessorOhms 2 years ago
I don't mean to say groin kicks don't work, I simply want to say people can and have taken them and continued. As for bites, they are so short ranch you'd have to have to guy in your control to use them, its not really the best defensive move, at least not on the feet. As I said, its the notion adding these changes everything that bugs me, not the pain they inflict.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago
As Bruce Lee said. You don't make a plan of biting, for that's the quickest way to lose your teeth. You build it as a natural instinct. For fighters in sports. It's not a natural instinct, because they're not allowed to do it, so they don't train it to be. As for groin shots, they're highly effective. I've seen plenty people go down to their knees just from a tap. In ninjutsu, groin shots are actually implemented into our combinations, same with eye gouges. Don't get me wrong, I love BJJ
ProfessorOhms 2 years ago
Well, no actually, this is an exception to that fantasy.
If the right gear is presented in which it doesn't inhibit the movements of WC, then by all means sparring should be in place.
The goal of WC though, is to literally take down your opponent and don't let him get up to fight back.
fdesa12 2 years ago
I train wing tsun and I think that is a bad excuse. Although we don't have regular sparring, we do fight. That is a necessity.
seraph101 2 years ago
well said! wing chun has ridiculous rigid out of date footwork, and bitch slapping instead of properly landed blows..plus self-deluding rubbish about our art is 'too dangerous to practice'..why then did Bruce Lee realise wing chun wasn't effective as he thought and realised he had to develop a more realistic martial art?As Bruce said: "take a man & train him in boxing & wrestling for a yr & he'll beat most classical martial arts masters of a lifetime (incl.wing chun!)!"..
vincent4500 2 years ago
Wing Chun uses deflection and counter-attack in the same motion
kchganinja 2 years ago
no wing chun is a great defense and i've seen some traditional ones and more modern but i'm not seeing a lot of the basics u would apply to those punches. iono maybe he still needs more practice cuz the other guy seems to have it down more.
badasazninvasion 2 years ago
He is a wing chun practitioner, showing his balls. More than i can say for all the talkers.
sifugarry 2 years ago
I always believed that regardless what martial arts you learn, it doesn't really matter. If you put in enough effort to master it, then it really doesn't matter what you learn.
rleepy 2 years ago
I realy dont know which one of those two guys is doing WT or muay thai,
for me its muay thai vs muay thai
agirdeux 2 years ago
My fighters are wing chun practitioners fighting and challenging themselves against very tough opponents in the ring.
sifugarry 2 years ago
oh my gosh, this actually sounds like a non-aggressive discussion on martial arts, this is amazing. and good explanation the street fighters i know would completely agree
azianlisper 2 years ago
I am an open minded teacher. I also take a group of about 6 students to a muaythai school every 6 weeks for friendly sparring.
There are more fights on my web site and forum.
Cheers.
sifugarry 2 years ago
hmmmm...i'm a Thai fighter myself, and it has been proven an effiecient art, wing chun as well, but on the street and in the ring is different, who the hell would win in the street????
azianlisper 2 years ago
Good question. In the street there are no rules or weight divisions. Also, there is justification (psychological), and the legalities, to deal with.
sifugarry 2 years ago
Hey Sifu Gary, well done. you are one of the few WC trainers with the balls to put it on the line. There is pactical WC that is tried and tested & there is Pussy WC, a cut above Tai Chi & all mouth. As for all you limp whimp, toed in, lean back know all fags who only talk about your patter cake WC, YOUR NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE. Words are a smoke screen for cowards & WC history is full of it. There is a new breed, ALL HAIL WING CHUN SAN SHOU !!!!!
crapometer3 3 years ago
My fighters are wing chun practitioners challenging their skills, fitness and toughness against muay thai fighters.
sifugarry 3 years ago
Heuuu Wing Chun with boxe glove WTF!! NO Wing Chun here only muay thai or same
robertberreta 3 years ago
For those of you saying that adapting to another fighting style is lowering the style, I say you do not understand wing chun. The consept is based around adapting to your opponent. One of the corner stones is to be water, changing, moving. If water is in a tea pot it is a tea pot, if in a cup it is the cup. Adapt to your opponet and you can never lose. So again I state, if you say adapting lessens an art you do not understand wing chun.
Chaosofone 3 years ago
To all the critics. If my wing chun fighters become world champions, would u still criticize their performances with wing chun kung fu, or would u say:
"Wow, wing chun is a very efficient system", against muaythai.
sifugarry 3 years ago
No thats jeet kun do not wing chun. Wing chun is nto made to adapt or is it liek water. Wing chun has a very specefic clearly defined method of fighting and bouncing around with a hihg muay thai guard not even wathcing the cventerline is not it. Both fighters were doing muay thai, However, it's definitly good that they are sparring and working agasint resisting opponents and I believe thier fighting ability will be better for it, still that was not wing chun.
gageX2z 2 years ago
if its jkd how can he be doing muay thai? nice way of contrdaicting yourself
maxvideo300 2 years ago
No I was referring to chaos's claim that wing chun was about adapting and flowing like water. That idea is jeet kun do, and for the record, a jeet kun do person could use the muay thai guar and thai satyle attacks and still be within jkd concepts, it's about taking what you find effective for you and through self discovery you discard what gets you beaten into the ground. JKD NOT wing chun.. thats all I was saying wing chun is not abt adapting.
gageX2z 2 years ago
all those dudes saying this is not wing chun get lost, its, wc adapted to the situation so stfu thanks :D
jesusxtoo 3 years ago
In what way do you call this is Wing Chun ?????
MartialKill 3 years ago
it is a wing chun practitioner adapting to the situation
sifugarry 3 years ago
oh of course it is a wing chun practitioner adapting to the situation by adapting his fighting style to resemble that of a kickboxer cunning very cunning :D
stevyb1978 3 years ago
if wing chun has to adapt to become muay thai, than its not wing chun, stupid, its muay thai.
wohs145 3 years ago
yeah its wing chun ADAPTED, of course its not pure wing chun but wing chun adapted, i dont know if u get what i mean, u got enought IQ to understand what something adapted is?, of course you catch that it isnt the same than the traditional but wc adapted to a MT competition isnt MT you dumb fuck ahah
jesusxtoo 3 years ago
dumbass if your art has to be ADAPTED into a ccompletely different art to be able to work, than your ART sucks balls.
and Wing chun definitely sucks balls.
wohs145 3 years ago
if i had 3 years less than now i would be kinda paralized of ur stupidity but i have grown and now i know that the human is the worst kind of the world... WC have to be adapted to a WUSHU rules competition to work at its best becouse WC is a MA for no rules you fucking asshole
jesusxtoo 3 years ago
and btw WC kick ass, is the best martial art :), you suck
jesusxtoo 3 years ago
wheres the wing chun in here...the most important thing in wing chun is structure...these guys jumping around throwing kicks and snap punching are totally off of the structure....
honestly just tell me ONE thing in here thats wing chun related beside the fact that this is a martial art
asian12329 3 years ago
i cant see who is the wingchun one 0.o
PFJT 3 years ago 4
to me, at the begin, guy in green shirt was MuayThai fighter, then some are saying hes WingTsun, but watching the video further, they are both fighting MuayThai, there are no low-kicks in WingTsun, they are both using low-kicks.
hamko6 3 years ago
wing chun kung fu has low kicks, stomps, sweeps, etc.
wing chun also has knees and elbows.
you are missing out.
sifugarry 3 years ago
I know about everything but not that WingTsun has Low Kicks... Maybe Im not good enough to know about it... I know that WC is using only straight punches and kicks, no round kick like low-kick, if Low-Kick is in WC than that is new info for me, and if it is true, Im glad for it, cause Im so good at both styles WingTsun and MuayThai, witch are my most common used styles.
hamko6 3 years ago
wing chun does have low kicks etc but this is not wing chun. wing chun is a more agressive style and one important concept is to be economical with energy not jump around like a kick boxer.
666zakk666 3 years ago
This is not the street. It is a sport, to challenge yourself, your fitness, your skill in a martial arts, and not to forget your own courage.
Street tactics, intention and mind set are ever so different than a sport.
sifugarry 3 years ago
it doesnt have hooks and that high defence stands...
Narascha 3 years ago
Oh yeah, please teach us how. I really need it!
Badsinger96826 3 years ago
Defense against MuayThai low-kick is simple, especially with WingTsun direct kicks... You don't even need to be faster from opponent, you just need to kick him with your feet in his leg, but above the knee, that will stop his low-kick for sure, try it out, I did and it works well.
hamko6 3 years ago
wc guy is in the green shirt yes? it seems like he should stay more grounded.
FlameGrillz 3 years ago
the guy in the green shirt is the muay thai fighter
sifugarry 3 years ago
yeah now that i look at the kicks again that makes more sense
FlameGrillz 3 years ago
Do you do Traditional Wing Chun? in my club they teach us how to fight Kick boxers and Thai boxers
fcuk088 3 years ago