What gets me is its rarity. Can you imagine, every clan chief, rich merchant and anyone else in power would have wanted one... something so advanced would surely have become instantly popular? Maybe the one man sophisticated enough to make one had died after making this prototype? Maybe the Antikythera vessel never got to where it was going, which was to reveal it civilisation at large... so it just died, the world never to see the like of it again for over 1400 years? Amazing.
Damn these dumb motherfuckers Ardashir999 and 100waterloo really had it going for eachother...8 pages of text? Holy fuck, we get it, your both so intellectually superior. You could have at least talked about it somewhere else...somewhere other than youtube
Greece and Egypt is not the earliest civilization.
The pyramid were built only around 73,000 B.C
The Agartha, Hyperborea/ Sumeria/ Greater Atlantis and MU was older - 110,000 B.C - 225,000 B.C And even the above is not the earliest. There are older one still.
@HalSamuel I was thinking that myself. Finding that old instrument maker. He's probably the only man on the planet that could look at the mechanism and understand it at the level that is required
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Amazing, even way back as 100-150bc we were making things like this. It makes me look at humanity as a species in a whole new light. With ancient Greeks looking up and dreaming of the stars and planets even back then, gives me confidence that the future for the human race will be a bright one.
Amazing, even way back as 100-150bc we were making things like this. It makes me look at humanity as a species in a whole new light. With ancient Greeks looking up and dreaming of the stars and planets even back then, gives me confidence that the future for the human race will be a bright one.
At least we are all humans regardless what nations we come from. I'm not so much into history but I bet my ass that every civilisation had great inventions. All of them together result in what we are and have now. So stop fighting each other.
It is appropriate to say at this very point that the time the Greeks built computing devices like this one millenias ago, the rest of the world was jumping from tree to tree in search of food. Now to everybody jealous about ancient Greek history: Go fuck you all! And stop shitting in the forest like your ancestors did. Go buy some toilets like the rest of the (Greek founded) western civilised world. Your history is a piss in the ocean compared to the Greek one.
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An incredible device at the very least.A miniature equivalent of the technological genius behind the construction of the Great Pyramid.These old masters were gifted with unprecedented technical ability.This device alone should profoundly inspire today's engineers.MAGNIFICENT!!
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thanks for this video ... you are doing a great work.... you show the world that Greece is not just a country..... there is a whole idea and filosophy behind Greece and thats why they trying to destroy it. They use every weapon they know till today!!!
Most of you couldn't even figure out how to find North. I'm fuckin serious. You retards don't even know what you're looking at. In the age of computer technology they are calling this thing "astonishing," "beautiful," "clever," and "complete genius." The story of human history is a lie...
I believe, this machine was invented to keep track of ur gurlfriend visiting u when ur wife is not at home. clever!! nice. i wish i had one. But yes it is a huge invention of that time.
The astronomy and knowledge behind this Mechanism (an 8 and 1/2-year lunar/solar cycle and a 19-year eclipse cycle) can only have come from Minoan Crete---check out its roots at ANCIENTLIGHTS dot-org, where the new work "CALENDAR HOUSE" will soon be published!
If the ancient greeks had the ability to build such a prescision instrument then they certainly could have made prescision stone cutting tools that could have been driven by hand,water or wind,It would certainly have speeded up the building of their monuments,May be the egyptians possessed such tools,It would shorten the time frame in the building of the pyramids and explain the prescise cutting of the stones.
@polisloco Φταέι ο λαός,εάν τον κυβερνάνε σκουπιδοντενεκέδες;Φταίει ο λαός εάν μετά το 1974 γαμήσαμε το κράτος μας και καταντήσαμε περίγελος όλου του πλανήτη;Σκέψου ότι κανένας έλληνας πολιτικός δεν τολμάει να μιλήσει δυνατά μπροστά σε τούρκο πολιτικό.Το έχεις παρατηρήσει:;;
@uboot1967 exw dei polla kai den kserw pou na kataliksw, nomizw pws genika dn ftaiei toso o laos, o laos koimatai kathusixazotan k oi amerikanoi edinan odigies. apo t 1974 kai meta pou eipes apla oi politikoi den eipan oxi parte ta @@ mas gt fovontasan gia ti zwi tous exoume enan polemo pou den mporoume na ton kerdisoume k olo auto gia n kanoun vaseis n paroun t petrelaio to ouranio to xruso to osmio kai oti allo exoume tzampa pisteuw pws kati tetoio exei ginei twra.. pes mou ti gmwmi sou ki esu
@polisloco Οταν οι γερμανοί τελείωσαν τις έρευνες στην Ελλάδα το 1944 και έδωσαν στοιχεία στο ελληνικό τότε Υπουργείο Βιομηχανίας αλλά και σε γερμανικές εταιρίες όπως την Wintershall,κανένας δεν τόλμησε να βγάλει τα πετρέλεια της Ζακύνθου ή τον κόκκινο υδράργυρο της Καρπάθου τα οποία είχαν ανακαλύψει οι Ναζί.Η Ελλάδα έχει ουράνιο στις Σέρρες και στο Κιλκίς,αλλά έχουμε ραγιάδες πολιτικούς,οπότε δεν μπορούμε να κάνουμε τίποτε
@polisloco Γιατί κανένας έλληνας πολιτικός δεν έχει το σθένος να αντιδράσει σε απειλές ξένων.Φτιάξαμε την οικονομία της αλβανίας επιτρέποντας σε 1000000 αλβανούς να καταλάβουνε την Ελλάδα.Σώσαμε την οικονομία των σκοπίων επιτρέποντας,ανοίγοντας τα σύνορα,σώσαμε την οικονομία της βουλγαρίας ανοίγοντας τα σύνορα,σώσαμε την τουρκία και διαλύσαμε την Ελλάδα....
@uboot1967 kai twra ti? egw pou eimai 20 xronwn ti mellon exw? na eimai doulos mia zwi kai plirwnw ta spasmena allwn? kai den lew palaioterwn genewn pou kai kala psifisan tis proigoumenes kuverniseis... telos pantwn... apla nomizw pws tha meinw mia zwi sto ekswteriko kai den tha kataferw na gurisw pote pisw stin ellada oso kai an to thelw...
@polisloco Φύγε όσο μπορείς ακόμα.Εγώ γύρισα από Γερμανία και το μετανιώνω κάθε μέρα.Και μην πιστέψεις ποτέ σου ότι εμείς οι Ελληνες είμαστε καλοί άνθρωποι και μαλακίες....Κουτοπόνηροι και αφελείς ταυτόχρονα είμαστε
@uboot1967 eimai idi gia spoudes stin agglia.. alla panta tha thelw na gurisw pisw... apla etsi opws vlepw ta pragmata pote den tha to kataferw auto mallon..
@uboot1967 an ta kataferw tha paw... pros to paron eimai agglia... kai oi oikogenia mou den einai pamplouti steroudai polla eidika twra me ola auta... dimosios upallilos einai me meion 400 euro to mina... ta misa lefta pou trww edw einai auta... usa einai akoma pio akriva alla an mporesw tha paw...
@polisloco Well, actually the tragedy of the Greeks is that while their golden age was a direct result of their newfound confidence and freedom from foreign oppressors /the Persians), their inquisive spirit kind of faltered after they became subjects of foreign powers, more specifically Rome. It's kind of strange when you have in mind that the Romans had an extremely high regard of Greeks, but I think that's because the Romans were more interested in Greek art, mythology and philosophy...
@unapologeticmind ...and much less interested in the scientific achievements of the Greeks. In fact, I highly doubt that the Romans wanted Archimedes alive because he was a great mathematician. They were probably far more interested in getting Archimedes alive so that he could show them how he built all those fancy catapults and other weapons of war which gave the Romans so much trouble in conquering Syracuse...
@unapologeticmind ...Not that the Romans were anti-scientific in any way. In fact, they were the most open-minded people of the Meditteranean after the Greeks, in some aspects even more open-minded, and they did a lot to save Greek thought into modern times. However, as far as cutting-edge science goes, second best doesn't quite cut it. The Greeks had achieved a certain mindset which for a multitude of reasons, not just wars and subjugation, was lost and never truly took off again...
@unapologeticmind ...However, it's important to realize that while this loss of the Greek scientific brilliancy was a setback, it was not a tragedy. The Greek achievements lived on through the Roman empire, later the Byzantine empire and then the same combination of Greek mind and Italian tradition started off the Renaissance, first in Italy and then in the rest of western Europe. So, while things didn't go quite as quickly as they could have we still got the best result we could have hoped for.
The Greeks I heard, spent years and baskets of money to make this one device,then,when the people found out how much it cost, they threw it into the sea,only to be discovered today as ancient treasure,so looks like the Greeks had the first mechanical computer and Professor John Atanasoff and graduate student Clifford Berry built the world's first electronic-digital computer at Iowa State University
@TomBaitson123 LOL subjective mortal. This most certainly IS... you just are too ignorant and unaware to recognize it. Do you know the purpose behind the "Antikythera Mechanism"? I do. It's to induce power when you arrive without superior technology and/or weapons to control. You instead become a religious apex by scaring the populace that the "evil snake god" is eating the moon and soon Earth will be next! LOL! Oldest trick in the book. Total power in under a week.
@TomBaitson123 : Warcraft? When was that brought up, or are you just steriotyping? I think there's a subtle difference between being a warcraft nerd, and arguing over history.
@TomBaitson123 : Warcraft? When was that brought up, or are you just steriotyping? I think there's a subtle difference between being a warcraft nerd, and arguing over history.
dear you mental midget, show me an equal to Aristotle , Plato, Socrates of the same time period or earlier as you claim. THERE ARE NONE , hell show me a artifact of equal complexity to the Greek antikythera mechanism ,THERE IS NONE
another idiot with envy gone to his pea size brain. get out of my sight you are nothing compared to Greece, mark it well and eat. Bon apetite
@AthenaionPolis If you think you have anything in common with the oh-so-great greeks(debatable...) of old time you need a brain because THERE IS NONE in your head.
As another guy said, what the hell do you think this is? "Who is the best ancient civilazation" game?
@uboot1967 We do?Not that it's of any importance, but after some thousand years and so many different people coming by the place where Greece is today i higly doubt you're a direct descendant...
Back then i don't even think the whole concept of "countries" existed altogether as it does today.
Apart from that, there's a huge difference between STUDYING the past and LIVING in the past. You can learn a lot from history, but when you're clinging to the past you're losing the present.
@uboot1967 Yes, that what happens when you're trying to argue on youtube with 500 max character limit...
I'm saying i don't know if the agglosaxons made anything important, and i don't care compairing their past with the greeks' past, what does the current state of things tell you? Does it make any difference?
I don't care about the so-called glorious past (apart from learning from it), it's the present that matters and that's pretty crap (and i'm not refering to Greece only).
@AthenaionPolis None that have been found. Recall that this device is the only one found so far and no written descriptions of it were found, so other devices may have also existed in other cultures, but were lost and forgotten. Metals oxidize and flake apart and woods tend to decay. Back then, it was difficult to mass produce complex things and difficult to duplicate documentations by hand without a printing press.
@AthenaionPolis sorry but plato was an idiot(in comparison to some of the other greats of the era) Plato spent his life following stupid garbage and did a bit to much heaven-worshipping.
@xx2RAHxx his attitude towards the physical world caused a great depression within the studies of the world, science. It's to much to write in a youtube comment, but plato is not to be thought of as anything but a fool.
I saw a show where they show the wonders of the ancient Greecks. There was a invention which one is floated Chariot with horse and Helios before a statue of Zeus. It was a big magnet which elevate it. It was recorded by tons of people. So after of that and see the other invention like the blood crying goddess, the Venus and Mars ,,closing to each other" statues and other magnetick things working model I actually start to believe that is possible.
@AthenaionPolis Grow up. Greece went through a period of genius, and then that period ended, permanently. But it's analogous to extraordinary periods of innovation in India, Egypt, Peru, Syria, China, Mexico, etc. etc. etc., but saying GREECE IZ #1 PEABRAINS! is ignorant and pathetic. You sound like some modern Greek flag-waver riding on the shoulders of your ancient ancestors when your country is on the verge of bankruptcy and anyone with an education is emigrating.
One might wonder what other items preceded before this mechanical item, after all we did not arrive at the Swiss watch nor digital watch first time, there is a whole history of watches preceding the present ones, SO !!, what preceded this mechanism, & what else was derived from its design, that we have yet to find.
about physics, natural science, logic, and psycology, oh yeah, poetry and meteorlolgy,the soul, heaven, etc. They plagarized the Egyptians. Who by the way left proof of their mastery of knowledge.
It is true that the Egyptians knew some things, but their knowledge didn't really surpass the needs of their times. The Greeks did more. Even the greatest geniuses of history were specialized". This is true in the modern times, but back then a single subject wasn't that overwhelming, so a single man could master many subjects.
Why doesn't Greek architecture match the Egyptians? Why is Pythagorous given credit for thoeries that clearly already existed? Why is Hippocrates called the father of medicine when he refers to himself as the child of Imhotep? The idea that all of these concepts could be idealized while the greeks were involved in numerous wars, and while they were being persecuted by the greeks themselves does not seem plausible. More likely they were given access to Egyptian libraries by Alexander.
@wer4321: And the Egyptians plagiarized the Bablylonians, Assyrians, and Sumerians who also left proof of their mastery of knowledge. But it's the ancient Greeks and Chinese who went the furthest.
@wer4321: Sure. Read 'The Sumerians: Their History, Culture, and Character' by Samuel Noah Kramer to start with. Honestly, I think it's more complex than 'culture A' plagiarizes 'culture B'. They all learned from each other. The Egyptians made a contribution- but they weren't the first, and they weren't the last. They just had a long go of it. And you're right- the Greeks learned from the Egyptians. They also went beyond them. Try 'The Greek Way' by Edith Hamilton.
I am an armchair historian. A quick check shows that the Sumerians had accomplished a great deal and earlier than the Egpytians. Further your assertion that these civilizations borrowed and learned from each other seems reasonable. However, the Greeks are given much more credit than they deserve. Hippocrates, Pythagoras, etc. are given the tiltle "father of" their crafts when they clearly are not. This is re-writng of history. I will enjoy learning about the Sumerians. Thanks.
@wer4321: I agree- the Greeks weren't working in a vacuum. Enjoy the Sumerians, though. They're truly amazing. People tend to ignore them because they didn't have quite the architectural prowess of the Egyptians (not to mention the gold). But without them, I doubt Egypt would have gone very far.
@himkdm I have a HUGE respect for Chinese achievements, however it's not really a contest in my opinion. The Chinese, like everyone else but the Greeks, never had the "out of the box" mindset which gave us the likes of Euclid and Plato. The Chinese were indeed highly inventive but they never made a systematic pursuit of math/science for its own sake like the Greeks did. In the end, Chinese math/science entered a period of self-imposed stagnation which annulled much of the earlier achievements...
@unapologeticmind ...It's always symptomatic for me how the Chinese burnt the whole fleet of their greatest ocean explorer who had ventured as far as the Persian Gulf and beyond. From then on there was really no question where China was going, and it was going backwards not forward. Chinese math and scienced had started to stagnate even much earlier than the Chinese economy and it had never reached a self-sustainability as a subjecy (math for math's sake) like with the Greeks...
@unapologeticmind ...It's noteworthy also make a comparison with Chinese philosophy. Confucius was needless to say a great philosopher but his philosophy was more centered around obedience and respect for authority than for fostering inquisitive minds, there was no Chinese Plato in the horizon. In the end, it took China a national tragedy and humiliation from Japan and western powers to realize that the rigid Confucian society had to become more flexible and open to new ideas...
Actually the Greeks themselves give credit to Egypt in several instances. But their quotations are ignored. Hippocrates has said he is the child of Imhotep. And Socrates has said this knowledge comes from the land of the land of the blacks. And their countless travels to Egypt are well documented.
Hippocrates never traveled to egypt never taken anything from those idiots.
you are dime a dozen coming up with vague references. Here are specifics:
Hippocrates learned medicine from his father and grandfather, and studied other subjects with Democritus and Gorgias. Hippocrates trained at the asklepieion, . Hippocrates taught and practiced medicine throughout his life,in GREECE only.
name one equal from other nations to SOCRATES ARISTOTLE, PLATO of same time period..there are NONE...
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Wrong! Hippocrates did go to Egypt. At least that;s what all of his biographers think. They're called books... And the other three's only original philosophic concepts were on how great homosexuality is.
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Glad you're amused. I am too that someone that comes from a society of homosexual pedophiles is so proud of it. Even the very gods ancient geeks created and prayed to were freaks. ever heard the story of Zeus and Ganymedes? Google it dimbulb. Long story short-Zeus kidnaps a boy a rapes him! And back then he was the most important god! It gives a little insight into your culture, proud one. Greeks stole everything and claimed it as theirs. LMAO @ pedos.
None have equaled Socrates, Aristotle, Plato in advocating sex with little boys. Disgusting freaks! And their accomplishments just don't hold up to scrutiny. All you have to say for yourself is to tell my to step from my keyboard? What a joke. You are stupid and boring. Go watch 300 and pretend the spartans weren't sick pedos loser. I'm through wasting time on you.
The Greeks had an amazing copy of a civilization. First of all, where are their pyramids??? Also the oldest greek folks were black like the rest of the people in the world. Also Greek is not on the computer but Hieroglyphics! Now, where and who taught them??? Like Herodotus said, they got it all from Egypt! Socratesa black Greek was taught in Egypt and the Greeks killed him. Aristotle too and Plato. Eureka my foot!How about Iemhoteb true father of Medicine 2000 years before Hipporcrates.
I don't believe the greeks invented this. They stole everything they are given credit for. Did anyone ever ask how, for instance,Aristotole wrote so many books on so many different subjects? Even the greatest geniuses of history were specialized. Einstein, Mozart, etc. all had areas of expertise. But the so called greeks were all the place. Aristotle supposedly wrote about physics, natural science, logic, and psycology,
@wer4321 The reason is very simple.Being a member of the aristocrasy he had no economic problems and a great deal of time for reading,researching and observing.By the way he never left the Greek-inhabited regions.
@AthrihosPithekos I am wer4321 I changed my name. I have been to Egypt and have seen firsthand the source of the knowledge the Greeks claim they created. The Egyptians had Several dynasties that lasted over 10,000 years. Their Mathematics, Medicine, Architecture, Philosophy, etc, is carved into the walls of their temples, tombs, and pyramids. AND... it was carved centuries before the Greeks could even write. Sorry facts are facts.
@100waterloo it is astonishing how people can write down so many inaccuracies in a few lines... Egyptian maths was very poor, their philosophy was nil, and their "several dynasties" did not last "over 10000 years". Sincerely, go read some proper books about ancient Egypt. It was a great civilisation, but you have it ALL wrong.
I agree with Tom that this feud is retarded, but I just hate factual errors
@Ardashir999 Uhhh. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've read many books on the subject and my wife just got back from an excavation right before the protests there. Here is a link that talks about the math systems used in ancient Kemet. (Egypt)
watch?v=Ih1ZWE3pe9o
Youtube doesn't allow me to post the link, but google this term "The Egyptian Civilization, 10,000 Years Older than Thought" and read and learn. Next time you say I have something all wrong please be specific.
@100waterloo I'll just give u a couple references: Boyer's "A History of mathematics" and Assmann's "The Mind of Egypt". The former illustrates the limits of the Egyptian matematical knowledge (if you want to compare it with Greek maths, read Russo's "The Forgotten revolution"); the latter makes it rather clear that you cannot talk about "philosophy" in Pharaonic Egypt the same way you do in Ancient Greece, China or India.
@Ardashir999 So you think they built all that without being mathematicians? Ha. Don't believe everything you read, Pal. The Egyptians structures are far superior than anything the Greeks ever built. What does that tell you? They were writing and practicing math before the Greeks even called themselves Greeks.
@Ardashir999 Do you know that ALL the famous Greek scholars went to Egypt to study? What does that tell you? To dismiss logic is just euro-centric. It wasn't just Aristotle all of them stole and plagiarized. Hippocrates, Democritus, Pythagoras, etc. were plagiarists. And what's really funny is there is evidence of their concepts, theories, discoveries, were stolen literally carved into the walls in Egypt.
@100waterloo Please provide me with a reference for that... I mean, a scholarly reference, not just some random youtube video. Quote me an Egyptian papyrus (or wall, or whatever) describing Democritus' atomism or Aristotle's metaphysics. This plagiarism story is just cr@p. Mostly myths, as you can find out if you read some scientific literature on the subject (I have given you some references, I can easily find you more). Afrocentrism is simply delusional.
@Ardashir999 Sure, read is "Stolen Legacy by George G.M. James". Complete breakdowns of the concepts presented by the Greek scholars as their own and the papyrus that they originally came from are well documented in this book. He absolutely destroys the notion that Greece produced the numerous multi-geniuses they claim to have. Why did they ALL travel to Egypt? Saying that Afro-Centrists are delusional is funny. Because they are the only ones with physical evidence to support their claims.
@100waterloo I know that book. It's more than 50 years old, full of inaccuracies, and clearly written with an ideological agenda in mind; none of the professional Egyptologists studying Egyptian texts today would claim such nonsense. And the Greek wise men did not ALL travel to Egypt. Some of them did, and surely they learned many interesting things. But in most cases, is just fantasy stories added by "Egyptomaniac" biographers. (Again, I can provide you with scholarly references if you like).
@Ardashir999 There are some inaccuracies in almost every book. But there is a lot that is accurate. For instance the sheer volume and wide array of subjects the Greek scholars individually wrote on is improbable. For instance, one scholar might write on mathematics, then animal behavior, then astrology, etc. We know that is not how even great minds work.(Einstein stayed in physics) We also know that they supposedly did these phenomenal works while their country was at war...
@Ardashir999 ... we know for a fact that Hippocrates was not the father of medicine, he was quoted in saying "I am a child of Imhotep." Also Pythagoras's theorem was known in Egypt yet he is given credit for it. All of Christianity, Judaism, and other philosophies have their origins in Kemet. There is a reason why there is such a battle for this history. Don't you find it strange that almost no credit human advancement is given to Africa? Do you apply your own common sense to situations?
@Ardashir999@Ardashir999 it is common knowledge that the Greek scholars went to Egypt to learn. By the this is not a random youtube video. You can fact check all of these statements for accuracy. /watch?v=XhRc0iOjRhs&feature=related
Also there is a book "Black Athena" you might want to read. And again the afro-centrists are the only ones with papyrus, reliefs, statues, structures, etc.to support their claims. The timelines of Greek discovery doesn't hold up.
@100waterloo I have read the black athena series, is just a bunch of reverse-racist unsubstantiated rants by someone who thinks he is smarter than everybody else... most of bernal's claims have been debunked by more serious scholars (check the "Black Athena Revisited" volume), while the rest of his claims are not so sensational: nobody denies the strong Oriental influences on Greece, but bernal's afrocentrist claims, as I said, simply delusional.
@Ardashir999 That's your opinion. The proof is there on the walls pal. You didn't even address the points James made. Namely, the unlikeliness of Greece producing a bevy of multi scholars who each did several lifetimes of work while their country was embroiled in war after war and they themselves were persecuted by their own countrymen. He gives a more likely scenario of Alexander giving them access to the libraries Egypt where they copied and translated the works of the Egyptians.
@100waterloo and, to conclude, the afrocentrists are not "the only ones with papyri etc.", they simply alter whatever evidence they come across for ideological reasons. Again, no serious scholar, Western or Egyptian, supports their claims. Simply, nobody dares to say how stupid their claims are, for fear of being considered racist.
@Ardashir999 Whatever dude. If afro-centrists claims Hippocrates was not the father of medicine and Imhotep was, there is medical techniques carved into the walls in Egypt. I've seen them. Medical instruments, prescriptions, etc. If they claim Pythagoras was not the father of math and his work was plagiarized their is proof. The structures, temples, and tombs in Africa are proof of who mastered architecture, writing, and math.
@Ardashir999 goggle "kom ombo temple medical". You need to understand that you've been miseducated as the rest of the world has. Greeks are not the originators of higher learning, Africans are. When you see it with your own eyes you will know. And use common sense too. Why are the greatest structures in history in Africa? Think man. This stuff was built before Europeans were wearing shoes. Maybe it is Euro cultural inferiority that makes them omit African contributions to the species.
@100waterloo the Kom Ombo relief dates to AFTER the Greek conquest, dude. Actually, that relief dates to the ROMAN period. We were not only wearing shoes, but our armies were trampling the whole world. Epic fail.
@Ardashir999 The relief depicts the medical instruments as a offering to Imhotep, it is not the date they were created. If you weren't on youtube I would swear you didn't have the internet. This stuff is not hard to find. If you need a visual reference at how back Egyptian civilization went back as opposed to the Greeks go timemaps dot com. (of couse Egypt goes back farther like the earlier article I posted) Or just google something like "medical instruments Egypt".
Now, I know that I am not going to convince you, and vice-versa. I just suggest that people should start appreciating different civilisations for their own sake, without looking for alleged "plagiarisms" to compensate for their cultural inferiority complexes.
@Ardashir999 Looking for alleged plagiarisms? Who about looking for the truth in a world of culture thieves? At first Euros were claiming Jews built the pyramids. What happened to that?
Mark Twain said,"A lie can make it halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on it's shoes."
My grandmother has a saying, "If it don't come out in the wash, it'll come out in the rinse."
Whites will be all but gone by 2050 I guess that will ultimately decide inferiority.
@100waterloo I am not the one talking about races going extinct. It was stupid when the Whites did it, and it's still stupid if Black people do it now.
@Ardashir999 Tthe problem with African history is that when you make one admission, others must follow. For instance, Imhotep being the true father of medicine. Pythagoras was not the father of math. Then philosophy, religion, architecture, physics, etc. THEN the inevitable question, WHY. Why is it they pretend that they created these things? White supremacy cannot exist if the truth is known. Africans created civilization, whites stole the credit, and created a culture to hide the truth.
@100waterloo there are so many flaws in your reasoning, that even starting to debunk them would take me the whole afternoon. This is why I left. You simply put together too many factual inaccuracies, circular arguments, and plain old racist bias (I still fail to realise how my ethnicity alleged disappearance has ANYTHING to do with all this). You have no evidence whatsoever for the Greeks (or the whites) "stealing" Egyptian maths, medicine etc. You are the one trying to steal the credit. Face it
@Ardashir999 I appreciate you reviving this debate for me. It is revealing treasures.
Google "Egypt: origin of the Greek culture" by Phillip Coppens
I also researched Democritus (A fairly well known Greek scholar) The list of his works is so vast and eclectic it screams plagiarism. This despite the fact many of his works were lost. (wow) Despite your intellectual cowardice; time, scholarship, and honesty is exposing your point of view as out-dated and racist. Many Thanks.
@100waterloo do you know what "pareidolia" means? It's a "psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant". Democritus (allegedly) having written too much, for you, automatically means that he had to "steal" his knowledge from Egypt. You are not "intellectually coward", you are simply delusional. Carry on with your youtube racist crusade, fortunately serious scholars have no regard for such b*llshit.
@Ardashir999 It's possible for Democritus to have been that prolific just highly improbable. But ancient Greece is proposed to have had an incredibly high number of super productive polymaths. This would be phenomenal in itself. But, add to that that Greece, at that time was involved in war after war, and philosophers were being persecuted by the citizens of Greece at the time. It gets more implausible the more you look at it.
@Ardashir999 do you know what projection is? It's a psychological phenomenon as well. How racist is it to attempt to erase a people's contributions from history to bolster your own people's superiority complex? Columbus discovered the Americas? Greeks invented medicine? Math? Philosophy? Native Americans were savages? Tarzan tamed Africa? There is plenty of serious scholarship that challenges Aryan revisionist history. You're just behind the curve, Dude.
@100waterloo Actually, you are doing the projection: you are the one talking about races, I am talking about cultures. And you are the one trying to steal other people's heritage. I never denied Egypt's contributions, but you are denying Greece's. And this whole race issue is retarded, since the Egyptian's were not even "black"... I am under the impression that you know very little about Egypt, even less about ancient Greece, and virtually nothing about philosophy or the history of science. Bye.
@Ardashir999 yes you did say cultural.. "inferiority". And I am saying the only reason you would say and believe that is because of racism. In the culture as well as you personally. To go back to the beginnings of this exchange you were antagonistic and you got what you deserved. It is obvious you don't know what you are talking about. I've been inside the pyramids, temples, and tombs of Kemet. I know exactly what the people who lived there looked like...
@100waterloo 2 more things: I did not talk about "cultural inferiority". I talked about a "cultural inferiority complex". That's the only explanation for ur attempts to steal other people's history. Clearly, u're not satisfied with ur own. Second, I am pretty sure that in "the year 2050", both blacks and whites will still be there. Only delusional racists like you will disappear. I am not "antagonistic" towards people of different ethnicity. I am antagonistic towards inaccurate bullsh*t.
@Ardashir999 another change of topic won't help you. Whose culture am I trying to steal? I am more than satisfied with my people's contribution to history. Both past and present. According to the experts it's going to be "blacks and browns" instead of "
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): am i the only one that wants to see the full machine built by the old man
dbhlnn 2 days ago
): am i the only one that wants to see the full machine built by the old man
dbhlnn 2 days ago
Aliens man. aliens
LilMaul1 1 week ago
LOL at the two morons debating here. Do you not know what Private Messages are? Who wants to read through your stupid tirade?
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I want a Antikythera mechanism for Christmas next year!!!
Kaveo415in 1 month ago
What gets me is its rarity. Can you imagine, every clan chief, rich merchant and anyone else in power would have wanted one... something so advanced would surely have become instantly popular? Maybe the one man sophisticated enough to make one had died after making this prototype? Maybe the Antikythera vessel never got to where it was going, which was to reveal it civilisation at large... so it just died, the world never to see the like of it again for over 1400 years? Amazing.
GhibliFan1 1 month ago
I assume it had to be wound every so often?
rtint30 1 month ago
@rtint30 you had to wind it to use it. It didn't run by itself. It's not a clock.
this guy made one here:
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AbuBishir 3 weeks ago
cool but 140 years before jesus aint that far back yo try ancient sumerian texts 6000 years before the hybrid messenger jesus walked the earth..
THESLICKNESSEDM 1 month ago
"Enormouth thignifiganth..."
russellmj 1 month ago
oh awesome, i will never sleep again.
SheriffSkank 2 months ago
So was Archimedes behind this?
stratocaster1986able 3 months ago
Damn these dumb motherfuckers Ardashir999 and 100waterloo really had it going for eachother...8 pages of text? Holy fuck, we get it, your both so intellectually superior. You could have at least talked about it somewhere else...somewhere other than youtube
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Greece and Egypt is not the earliest civilization.
The pyramid were built only around 73,000 B.C
The Agartha, Hyperborea/ Sumeria/ Greater Atlantis and MU was older - 110,000 B.C - 225,000 B.C And even the above is not the earliest. There are older one still.
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Ardashir999 8 months ago
I wonder how it was powered.
TheJens97 9 months ago
i really want to see the finished version of that guy's recreation of the antikythera. :)
diEhopeless 10 months ago 17
atlantis rules
DRmayybee 10 months ago
Thank god we have people with the passion and patience to study and understand discoveries like this.
HalSamuel 10 months ago 43
@HalSamuel "Thank god" LMFAO
VexingSoul 6 months ago
@HalSamuel I was thinking that myself. Finding that old instrument maker. He's probably the only man on the planet that could look at the mechanism and understand it at the level that is required
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rclark23 11 months ago
The ancient clutch!!
To arxaio diskoplato!!! :)
vout23 11 months ago
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Amazing, even way back as 100-150bc we were making things like this. It makes me look at humanity as a species in a whole new light. With ancient Greeks looking up and dreaming of the stars and planets even back then, gives me confidence that the future for the human race will be a bright one.
am1gv 1 year ago
Amazing, even way back as 100-150bc we were making things like this. It makes me look at humanity as a species in a whole new light. With ancient Greeks looking up and dreaming of the stars and planets even back then, gives me confidence that the future for the human race will be a bright one.
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GelandnaleG 1 year ago
At least we are all humans regardless what nations we come from. I'm not so much into history but I bet my ass that every civilisation had great inventions. All of them together result in what we are and have now. So stop fighting each other.
madenkind 1 year ago 2
This trinket is just an ancient ipod, they used to play things like Big booty bitches on it.
Altair565 1 year ago
Id love to see the metal rebuild - that would look so amazing
m93sek 1 year ago
It is appropriate to say at this very point that the time the Greeks built computing devices like this one millenias ago, the rest of the world was jumping from tree to tree in search of food. Now to everybody jealous about ancient Greek history: Go fuck you all! And stop shitting in the forest like your ancestors did. Go buy some toilets like the rest of the (Greek founded) western civilised world. Your history is a piss in the ocean compared to the Greek one.
OlympicAirPilot 1 year ago
Please, dont be an illiterate, you people are making me laugh you pathetic insect!,..Africans are the best and most intelligent beings and civilization. We Nigerians will rule the world,.god has never made a more perfect race, with amazing prowess..strong body..exquisite character,.we are the masters of hiphop, jazz, blues, and we will rule the world !!!!!!!
000Asmodeus000 1 year ago
@000Asmodeus000
That's what Hitler believed from his own point of view...But he prefered classical music. Now there is the big difference.
MrQuadrupole 1 year ago
Makes you wonder what technology was lost when they burnt the Library of Alexandria?
LinnTractorNut 1 year ago 4
An incredible device at the very least.A miniature equivalent of the technological genius behind the construction of the Great Pyramid.These old masters were gifted with unprecedented technical ability.This device alone should profoundly inspire today's engineers.MAGNIFICENT!!
sallymaggiespotty 1 year ago 2
5:49 hur leap year?
Guesswhokk 1 year ago
but did the old man make it
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SpoofDaSpoof 1 year ago
Mac or PC?
LeLimeLine 1 year ago
thanks for this video ... you are doing a great work.... you show the world that Greece is not just a country..... there is a whole idea and filosophy behind Greece and thats why they trying to destroy it. They use every weapon they know till today!!!
stevenwise100 1 year ago
Jesus,they all use Apple -.-
baneskrbic 1 year ago 2
*****
piespokladowy 1 year ago
Erich von daniken Theory!
OnlyHardstyle 1 year ago
Most of you couldn't even figure out how to find North. I'm fuckin serious. You retards don't even know what you're looking at. In the age of computer technology they are calling this thing "astonishing," "beautiful," "clever," and "complete genius." The story of human history is a lie...
negronemesis2 1 year ago
I believe, this machine was invented to keep track of ur gurlfriend visiting u when ur wife is not at home. clever!! nice. i wish i had one. But yes it is a huge invention of that time.
leonsdenin 1 year ago
ELLAS(GREECE) gave the lights to world and she stayed in the darkness...
xazouklis 1 year ago 3
extraterrestrial intelligence
rttu74 1 year ago
The astronomy and knowledge behind this Mechanism (an 8 and 1/2-year lunar/solar cycle and a 19-year eclipse cycle) can only have come from Minoan Crete---check out its roots at ANCIENTLIGHTS dot-org, where the new work "CALENDAR HOUSE" will soon be published!
Dionysos37 1 year ago
This finished too soon, did the old boy manage to make a replica or not?
heatflash888 1 year ago
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If the ancient greeks had the ability to build such a prescision instrument then they certainly could have made prescision stone cutting tools that could have been driven by hand,water or wind,It would certainly have speeded up the building of their monuments,May be the egyptians possessed such tools,It would shorten the time frame in the building of the pyramids and explain the prescise cutting of the stones.
fiesta1100 1 year ago
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fiesta1100 1 year ago
well Greeks did many things but now they just stay in the past they don't do anything to change the future...
polisloco 1 year ago
@polisloco Perhaps you confuse history,people and politics...
uboot1967 1 year ago
@uboot1967 mporeis na miliseis kai ellinika... eimai 20 xronwn kai auto pragma vlepw... ti na pw... mporei na kanw kai lathos...
polisloco 1 year ago
@polisloco Φταέι ο λαός,εάν τον κυβερνάνε σκουπιδοντενεκέδες;Φταίει ο λαός εάν μετά το 1974 γαμήσαμε το κράτος μας και καταντήσαμε περίγελος όλου του πλανήτη;Σκέψου ότι κανένας έλληνας πολιτικός δεν τολμάει να μιλήσει δυνατά μπροστά σε τούρκο πολιτικό.Το έχεις παρατηρήσει:;;
uboot1967 1 year ago
@uboot1967 exw dei polla kai den kserw pou na kataliksw, nomizw pws genika dn ftaiei toso o laos, o laos koimatai kathusixazotan k oi amerikanoi edinan odigies. apo t 1974 kai meta pou eipes apla oi politikoi den eipan oxi parte ta @@ mas gt fovontasan gia ti zwi tous exoume enan polemo pou den mporoume na ton kerdisoume k olo auto gia n kanoun vaseis n paroun t petrelaio to ouranio to xruso to osmio kai oti allo exoume tzampa pisteuw pws kati tetoio exei ginei twra.. pes mou ti gmwmi sou ki esu
polisloco 1 year ago
@polisloco Οταν οι γερμανοί τελείωσαν τις έρευνες στην Ελλάδα το 1944 και έδωσαν στοιχεία στο ελληνικό τότε Υπουργείο Βιομηχανίας αλλά και σε γερμανικές εταιρίες όπως την Wintershall,κανένας δεν τόλμησε να βγάλει τα πετρέλεια της Ζακύνθου ή τον κόκκινο υδράργυρο της Καρπάθου τα οποία είχαν ανακαλύψει οι Ναζί.Η Ελλάδα έχει ουράνιο στις Σέρρες και στο Κιλκίς,αλλά έχουμε ραγιάδες πολιτικούς,οπότε δεν μπορούμε να κάνουμε τίποτε
uboot1967 1 year ago
@uboot1967 gt tote den to ekanana? an to eixan kanei twra den tha eimastan etsi...
polisloco 1 year ago
@polisloco Γιατί κανένας έλληνας πολιτικός δεν έχει το σθένος να αντιδράσει σε απειλές ξένων.Φτιάξαμε την οικονομία της αλβανίας επιτρέποντας σε 1000000 αλβανούς να καταλάβουνε την Ελλάδα.Σώσαμε την οικονομία των σκοπίων επιτρέποντας,ανοίγοντας τα σύνορα,σώσαμε την οικονομία της βουλγαρίας ανοίγοντας τα σύνορα,σώσαμε την τουρκία και διαλύσαμε την Ελλάδα....
uboot1967 1 year ago 2
@uboot1967 kai twra ti? egw pou eimai 20 xronwn ti mellon exw? na eimai doulos mia zwi kai plirwnw ta spasmena allwn? kai den lew palaioterwn genewn pou kai kala psifisan tis proigoumenes kuverniseis... telos pantwn... apla nomizw pws tha meinw mia zwi sto ekswteriko kai den tha kataferw na gurisw pote pisw stin ellada oso kai an to thelw...
polisloco 1 year ago
@polisloco Φύγε όσο μπορείς ακόμα.Εγώ γύρισα από Γερμανία και το μετανιώνω κάθε μέρα.Και μην πιστέψεις ποτέ σου ότι εμείς οι Ελληνες είμαστε καλοί άνθρωποι και μαλακίες....Κουτοπόνηροι και αφελείς ταυτόχρονα είμαστε
uboot1967 1 year ago
@uboot1967 eimai idi gia spoudes stin agglia.. alla panta tha thelw na gurisw pisw... apla etsi opws vlepw ta pragmata pote den tha to kataferw auto mallon..
polisloco 1 year ago
@polisloco Τουλάχιστον για μερικά χρόνια μείνε εκεί.Θα σου πρότεινα εάν μπορείς να μεταβείς στι ΗΠΑ είναι πολύ καλύτερα
uboot1967 1 year ago
@uboot1967 an ta kataferw tha paw... pros to paron eimai agglia... kai oi oikogenia mou den einai pamplouti steroudai polla eidika twra me ola auta... dimosios upallilos einai me meion 400 euro to mina... ta misa lefta pou trww edw einai auta... usa einai akoma pio akriva alla an mporesw tha paw...
polisloco 1 year ago
@polisloco Κάπως έτσι σπουδάσαμε οι περισσότεροι....Και πιό δύσκολα ακόμα....
Εάν θέλεις να κάνεις κάτι σημαντικό στη ζωή σου,για μερικά χρόνια ξέχασε την Ελλάδα.Δεν είμαστε για τίποτα...
uboot1967 1 year ago
@polisloco Well, actually the tragedy of the Greeks is that while their golden age was a direct result of their newfound confidence and freedom from foreign oppressors /the Persians), their inquisive spirit kind of faltered after they became subjects of foreign powers, more specifically Rome. It's kind of strange when you have in mind that the Romans had an extremely high regard of Greeks, but I think that's because the Romans were more interested in Greek art, mythology and philosophy...
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@unapologeticmind ...and much less interested in the scientific achievements of the Greeks. In fact, I highly doubt that the Romans wanted Archimedes alive because he was a great mathematician. They were probably far more interested in getting Archimedes alive so that he could show them how he built all those fancy catapults and other weapons of war which gave the Romans so much trouble in conquering Syracuse...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind ...Not that the Romans were anti-scientific in any way. In fact, they were the most open-minded people of the Meditteranean after the Greeks, in some aspects even more open-minded, and they did a lot to save Greek thought into modern times. However, as far as cutting-edge science goes, second best doesn't quite cut it. The Greeks had achieved a certain mindset which for a multitude of reasons, not just wars and subjugation, was lost and never truly took off again...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind ...However, it's important to realize that while this loss of the Greek scientific brilliancy was a setback, it was not a tragedy. The Greek achievements lived on through the Roman empire, later the Byzantine empire and then the same combination of Greek mind and Italian tradition started off the Renaissance, first in Italy and then in the rest of western Europe. So, while things didn't go quite as quickly as they could have we still got the best result we could have hoped for.
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AthenaionPolis 1 year ago
@IsraelJosefowitz yes
TomBaitson123 1 year ago
The Greeks I heard, spent years and baskets of money to make this one device,then,when the people found out how much it cost, they threw it into the sea,only to be discovered today as ancient treasure,so looks like the Greeks had the first mechanical computer and Professor John Atanasoff and graduate student Clifford Berry built the world's first electronic-digital computer at Iowa State University
starview1 1 year ago
Are you lot a bunch of retards? playing 'who is the best ancient civilisation' what is the matter with you?
Are you really that ignorant. This isn't world of fucking war craft you computer geek twats. Grow up.
TomBaitson123 1 year ago 84
@TomBaitson123 orcs are the best ancient civilisation
ssirK1994 1 year ago
hahahahahahha yes they are
TomBaitson123 1 year ago
@TomBaitson123 LOL subjective mortal. This most certainly IS... you just are too ignorant and unaware to recognize it. Do you know the purpose behind the "Antikythera Mechanism"? I do. It's to induce power when you arrive without superior technology and/or weapons to control. You instead become a religious apex by scaring the populace that the "evil snake god" is eating the moon and soon Earth will be next! LOL! Oldest trick in the book. Total power in under a week.
ShaoPrawn 1 year ago
@TomBaitson123 Warcraft? Ignorant? This is an insult to computer geeks everywhere. :)
Ormaaj 1 year ago
@TomBaitson123 : Warcraft? When was that brought up, or are you just steriotyping? I think there's a subtle difference between being a warcraft nerd, and arguing over history.
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I'm sorry, I have a cold.
TheIceRapture 1 year ago 2
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@TomBaitson123 : Warcraft? When was that brought up, or are you just steriotyping? I think there's a subtle difference between being a warcraft nerd, and arguing over history.
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TheIceRapture 1 year ago
@TomBaitson123
please you need to finish high school ......or perhaps elementary?
jader2007 1 year ago
@TomBaitson123 Amen.
jjobie 10 months ago
dear you mental midget, show me an equal to Aristotle , Plato, Socrates of the same time period or earlier as you claim. THERE ARE NONE , hell show me a artifact of equal complexity to the Greek antikythera mechanism ,THERE IS NONE
another idiot with envy gone to his pea size brain. get out of my sight you are nothing compared to Greece, mark it well and eat. Bon apetite
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago 51
@AthenaionPolis If you think you have anything in common with the oh-so-great greeks(debatable...) of old time you need a brain because THERE IS NONE in your head.
As another guy said, what the hell do you think this is? "Who is the best ancient civilazation" game?
oootinanai 1 year ago
@oootinanai We do have.Tell me something about the past of anglosaxons....Did they ever create something????
uboot1967 1 year ago
@uboot1967 We do?Not that it's of any importance, but after some thousand years and so many different people coming by the place where Greece is today i higly doubt you're a direct descendant...
Back then i don't even think the whole concept of "countries" existed altogether as it does today.
Apart from that, there's a huge difference between STUDYING the past and LIVING in the past. You can learn a lot from history, but when you're clinging to the past you're losing the present.
oootinanai 1 year ago
@oootinanai That was not my question...
uboot1967 1 year ago
@uboot1967 Yes, that what happens when you're trying to argue on youtube with 500 max character limit...
I'm saying i don't know if the agglosaxons made anything important, and i don't care compairing their past with the greeks' past, what does the current state of things tell you? Does it make any difference?
I don't care about the so-called glorious past (apart from learning from it), it's the present that matters and that's pretty crap (and i'm not refering to Greece only).
oootinanai 1 year ago
@AthenaionPolis None that have been found. Recall that this device is the only one found so far and no written descriptions of it were found, so other devices may have also existed in other cultures, but were lost and forgotten. Metals oxidize and flake apart and woods tend to decay. Back then, it was difficult to mass produce complex things and difficult to duplicate documentations by hand without a printing press.
fdfederation 1 year ago
@AthenaionPolis Alexander. Eh conquers Persia and doesn't afraid of anything.
CosmonautGhost 1 year ago
@AthenaionPolis You are correct, the Greeks were the first in many things, sex being one of them.
However, the Itailians were the first to have sex with WOMEN!
Mikdeelo 1 year ago
@Mikdeelo if you count goats aswomen! lol
AthenaionPolis 1 year ago
@AthenaionPolis ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!
Mikdeelo 1 year ago
@AthenaionPolis sorry but plato was an idiot(in comparison to some of the other greats of the era) Plato spent his life following stupid garbage and did a bit to much heaven-worshipping.
kaptenmax 1 year ago
@kaptenmax atheist much?
xx2RAHxx 1 year ago
@xx2RAHxx his attitude towards the physical world caused a great depression within the studies of the world, science. It's to much to write in a youtube comment, but plato is not to be thought of as anything but a fool.
kaptenmax 1 year ago
@kaptenmax perhaps upon you but that is a complete opinion
xx2RAHxx 1 year ago
@AthenaionPolis
I saw a show where they show the wonders of the ancient Greecks. There was a invention which one is floated Chariot with horse and Helios before a statue of Zeus. It was a big magnet which elevate it. It was recorded by tons of people. So after of that and see the other invention like the blood crying goddess, the Venus and Mars ,,closing to each other" statues and other magnetick things working model I actually start to believe that is possible.
I wish I could be taht smart.
LBStudios 1 year ago
@AthenaionPolis Grow up. Greece went through a period of genius, and then that period ended, permanently. But it's analogous to extraordinary periods of innovation in India, Egypt, Peru, Syria, China, Mexico, etc. etc. etc., but saying GREECE IZ #1 PEABRAINS! is ignorant and pathetic. You sound like some modern Greek flag-waver riding on the shoulders of your ancient ancestors when your country is on the verge of bankruptcy and anyone with an education is emigrating.
FuriousRoellinghoff 1 year ago
What is more amazing...the mechanism or the fact they could actually put it back together?
Gunnarsguns 2 years ago 2
One might wonder what other items preceded before this mechanical item, after all we did not arrive at the Swiss watch nor digital watch first time, there is a whole history of watches preceding the present ones, SO !!, what preceded this mechanism, & what else was derived from its design, that we have yet to find.
fuelban 2 years ago 3
about physics, natural science, logic, and psycology, oh yeah, poetry and meteorlolgy,the soul, heaven, etc. They plagarized the Egyptians. Who by the way left proof of their mastery of knowledge.
wer4321 2 years ago
It is true that the Egyptians knew some things, but their knowledge didn't really surpass the needs of their times. The Greeks did more. Even the greatest geniuses of history were specialized". This is true in the modern times, but back then a single subject wasn't that overwhelming, so a single man could master many subjects.
ernobius 2 years ago
Why doesn't Greek architecture match the Egyptians? Why is Pythagorous given credit for thoeries that clearly already existed? Why is Hippocrates called the father of medicine when he refers to himself as the child of Imhotep? The idea that all of these concepts could be idealized while the greeks were involved in numerous wars, and while they were being persecuted by the greeks themselves does not seem plausible. More likely they were given access to Egyptian libraries by Alexander.
wer4321 2 years ago
@wer4321: And the Egyptians plagiarized the Bablylonians, Assyrians, and Sumerians who also left proof of their mastery of knowledge. But it's the ancient Greeks and Chinese who went the furthest.
himkdm 2 years ago
I would certainly be interested in seeing information about this. Please post a link or tell me where I can find this proof.
wer4321 2 years ago
@wer4321: Sure. Read 'The Sumerians: Their History, Culture, and Character' by Samuel Noah Kramer to start with. Honestly, I think it's more complex than 'culture A' plagiarizes 'culture B'. They all learned from each other. The Egyptians made a contribution- but they weren't the first, and they weren't the last. They just had a long go of it. And you're right- the Greeks learned from the Egyptians. They also went beyond them. Try 'The Greek Way' by Edith Hamilton.
himkdm 2 years ago
I am an armchair historian. A quick check shows that the Sumerians had accomplished a great deal and earlier than the Egpytians. Further your assertion that these civilizations borrowed and learned from each other seems reasonable. However, the Greeks are given much more credit than they deserve. Hippocrates, Pythagoras, etc. are given the tiltle "father of" their crafts when they clearly are not. This is re-writng of history. I will enjoy learning about the Sumerians. Thanks.
wer4321 2 years ago
@wer4321: I agree- the Greeks weren't working in a vacuum. Enjoy the Sumerians, though. They're truly amazing. People tend to ignore them because they didn't have quite the architectural prowess of the Egyptians (not to mention the gold). But without them, I doubt Egypt would have gone very far.
himkdm 2 years ago
@himkdm I have a HUGE respect for Chinese achievements, however it's not really a contest in my opinion. The Chinese, like everyone else but the Greeks, never had the "out of the box" mindset which gave us the likes of Euclid and Plato. The Chinese were indeed highly inventive but they never made a systematic pursuit of math/science for its own sake like the Greeks did. In the end, Chinese math/science entered a period of self-imposed stagnation which annulled much of the earlier achievements...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind ...It's always symptomatic for me how the Chinese burnt the whole fleet of their greatest ocean explorer who had ventured as far as the Persian Gulf and beyond. From then on there was really no question where China was going, and it was going backwards not forward. Chinese math and scienced had started to stagnate even much earlier than the Chinese economy and it had never reached a self-sustainability as a subjecy (math for math's sake) like with the Greeks...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind ...It's noteworthy also make a comparison with Chinese philosophy. Confucius was needless to say a great philosopher but his philosophy was more centered around obedience and respect for authority than for fostering inquisitive minds, there was no Chinese Plato in the horizon. In the end, it took China a national tragedy and humiliation from Japan and western powers to realize that the rigid Confucian society had to become more flexible and open to new ideas...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
they are given credit for it because we understood their language before we understood the Egyptians.
toppless09 2 years ago
Actually the Greeks themselves give credit to Egypt in several instances. But their quotations are ignored. Hippocrates has said he is the child of Imhotep. And Socrates has said this knowledge comes from the land of the land of the blacks. And their countless travels to Egypt are well documented.
wer4321 2 years ago
Hippocrates never traveled to egypt never taken anything from those idiots.
you are dime a dozen coming up with vague references. Here are specifics:
Hippocrates learned medicine from his father and grandfather, and studied other subjects with Democritus and Gorgias. Hippocrates trained at the asklepieion, . Hippocrates taught and practiced medicine throughout his life,in GREECE only.
name one equal from other nations to SOCRATES ARISTOTLE, PLATO of same time period..there are NONE...
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago
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Wrong! Hippocrates did go to Egypt. At least that;s what all of his biographers think. They're called books... And the other three's only original philosophic concepts were on how great homosexuality is.
wer4321 2 years ago
@wer4321
you are a funny little man, full of envy but an empty brain..I pity you..
LOL
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago 3
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Glad you're amused. I am too that someone that comes from a society of homosexual pedophiles is so proud of it. Even the very gods ancient geeks created and prayed to were freaks. ever heard the story of Zeus and Ganymedes? Google it dimbulb. Long story short-Zeus kidnaps a boy a rapes him! And back then he was the most important god! It gives a little insight into your culture, proud one. Greeks stole everything and claimed it as theirs. LMAO @ pedos.
wer4321 2 years ago
@wer4321
is this the best you can do towel hd?!
you need to go see a psychiatrist ,little dark hairy monkey...
Your envy and jealousy are coming out of your ears. eat your little heart out.
when you grow a pair step out from behind your computer in the real world...
LOL
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago 3
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Truth hurts, don't it? Not so proud of your pedophile heritage are you? Add plagiarists too.
wer4321 2 years ago
Truth hurts desnt it, the egyptians and the near east was nothing compared to Greece.
Non equal to Socrates, Aristotle, Plato..
eat it and good appetite, like I said mental midget when u grow a pair step out from hiding behind your keyboard.
LOL
AthenaionPolis 2 years ago 5
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None have equaled Socrates, Aristotle, Plato in advocating sex with little boys. Disgusting freaks! And their accomplishments just don't hold up to scrutiny. All you have to say for yourself is to tell my to step from my keyboard? What a joke. You are stupid and boring. Go watch 300 and pretend the spartans weren't sick pedos loser. I'm through wasting time on you.
wer4321 2 years ago
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The Greeks had an amazing copy of a civilization. First of all, where are their pyramids??? Also the oldest greek folks were black like the rest of the people in the world. Also Greek is not on the computer but Hieroglyphics! Now, where and who taught them??? Like Herodotus said, they got it all from Egypt! Socratesa black Greek was taught in Egypt and the Greeks killed him. Aristotle too and Plato. Eureka my foot!How about Iemhoteb true father of Medicine 2000 years before Hipporcrates.
lukingatyou2 1 year ago
@wer4321 I see inaccuracies here.Can you mention your sources?
AthrihosPithekos 10 months ago
I don't believe the greeks invented this. They stole everything they are given credit for. Did anyone ever ask how, for instance,Aristotole wrote so many books on so many different subjects? Even the greatest geniuses of history were specialized. Einstein, Mozart, etc. all had areas of expertise. But the so called greeks were all the place. Aristotle supposedly wrote about physics, natural science, logic, and psycology,
wer4321 2 years ago
@wer4321
Hm well dont compare urself with Aristotle. U are rly dumber sorry :)
MrQuadrupole 1 year ago
@MrQuadrupole but compared to you I'm a genius.
wer4321 1 year ago
@wer4321 The reason is very simple.Being a member of the aristocrasy he had no economic problems and a great deal of time for reading,researching and observing.By the way he never left the Greek-inhabited regions.
AthrihosPithekos 10 months ago
@AthrihosPithekos I am wer4321 I changed my name. I have been to Egypt and have seen firsthand the source of the knowledge the Greeks claim they created. The Egyptians had Several dynasties that lasted over 10,000 years. Their Mathematics, Medicine, Architecture, Philosophy, etc, is carved into the walls of their temples, tombs, and pyramids. AND... it was carved centuries before the Greeks could even write. Sorry facts are facts.
100waterloo 10 months ago
@100waterloo it is astonishing how people can write down so many inaccuracies in a few lines... Egyptian maths was very poor, their philosophy was nil, and their "several dynasties" did not last "over 10000 years". Sincerely, go read some proper books about ancient Egypt. It was a great civilisation, but you have it ALL wrong.
I agree with Tom that this feud is retarded, but I just hate factual errors
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 Uhhh. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've read many books on the subject and my wife just got back from an excavation right before the protests there. Here is a link that talks about the math systems used in ancient Kemet. (Egypt)
watch?v=Ih1ZWE3pe9o
Youtube doesn't allow me to post the link, but google this term "The Egyptian Civilization, 10,000 Years Older than Thought" and read and learn. Next time you say I have something all wrong please be specific.
Have a nice day.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo I'll just give u a couple references: Boyer's "A History of mathematics" and Assmann's "The Mind of Egypt". The former illustrates the limits of the Egyptian matematical knowledge (if you want to compare it with Greek maths, read Russo's "The Forgotten revolution"); the latter makes it rather clear that you cannot talk about "philosophy" in Pharaonic Egypt the same way you do in Ancient Greece, China or India.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 So you think they built all that without being mathematicians? Ha. Don't believe everything you read, Pal. The Egyptians structures are far superior than anything the Greeks ever built. What does that tell you? They were writing and practicing math before the Greeks even called themselves Greeks.
100waterloo 8 months ago
again, I admire the accomplishment of the Egyptians, but saying that Aristotle "stole" his knowledge from the Egyptians is just afro-centric cr@p
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 Do you know that ALL the famous Greek scholars went to Egypt to study? What does that tell you? To dismiss logic is just euro-centric. It wasn't just Aristotle all of them stole and plagiarized. Hippocrates, Democritus, Pythagoras, etc. were plagiarists. And what's really funny is there is evidence of their concepts, theories, discoveries, were stolen literally carved into the walls in Egypt.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo Please provide me with a reference for that... I mean, a scholarly reference, not just some random youtube video. Quote me an Egyptian papyrus (or wall, or whatever) describing Democritus' atomism or Aristotle's metaphysics. This plagiarism story is just cr@p. Mostly myths, as you can find out if you read some scientific literature on the subject (I have given you some references, I can easily find you more). Afrocentrism is simply delusional.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 Sure, read is "Stolen Legacy by George G.M. James". Complete breakdowns of the concepts presented by the Greek scholars as their own and the papyrus that they originally came from are well documented in this book. He absolutely destroys the notion that Greece produced the numerous multi-geniuses they claim to have. Why did they ALL travel to Egypt? Saying that Afro-Centrists are delusional is funny. Because they are the only ones with physical evidence to support their claims.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo I know that book. It's more than 50 years old, full of inaccuracies, and clearly written with an ideological agenda in mind; none of the professional Egyptologists studying Egyptian texts today would claim such nonsense. And the Greek wise men did not ALL travel to Egypt. Some of them did, and surely they learned many interesting things. But in most cases, is just fantasy stories added by "Egyptomaniac" biographers. (Again, I can provide you with scholarly references if you like).
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 There are some inaccuracies in almost every book. But there is a lot that is accurate. For instance the sheer volume and wide array of subjects the Greek scholars individually wrote on is improbable. For instance, one scholar might write on mathematics, then animal behavior, then astrology, etc. We know that is not how even great minds work.(Einstein stayed in physics) We also know that they supposedly did these phenomenal works while their country was at war...
100waterloo 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 ... we know for a fact that Hippocrates was not the father of medicine, he was quoted in saying "I am a child of Imhotep." Also Pythagoras's theorem was known in Egypt yet he is given credit for it. All of Christianity, Judaism, and other philosophies have their origins in Kemet. There is a reason why there is such a battle for this history. Don't you find it strange that almost no credit human advancement is given to Africa? Do you apply your own common sense to situations?
100waterloo 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 @Ardashir999 it is common knowledge that the Greek scholars went to Egypt to learn. By the this is not a random youtube video. You can fact check all of these statements for accuracy. /watch?v=XhRc0iOjRhs&feature=related
Also there is a book "Black Athena" you might want to read. And again the afro-centrists are the only ones with papyrus, reliefs, statues, structures, etc.to support their claims. The timelines of Greek discovery doesn't hold up.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo I have read the black athena series, is just a bunch of reverse-racist unsubstantiated rants by someone who thinks he is smarter than everybody else... most of bernal's claims have been debunked by more serious scholars (check the "Black Athena Revisited" volume), while the rest of his claims are not so sensational: nobody denies the strong Oriental influences on Greece, but bernal's afrocentrist claims, as I said, simply delusional.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 That's your opinion. The proof is there on the walls pal. You didn't even address the points James made. Namely, the unlikeliness of Greece producing a bevy of multi scholars who each did several lifetimes of work while their country was embroiled in war after war and they themselves were persecuted by their own countrymen. He gives a more likely scenario of Alexander giving them access to the libraries Egypt where they copied and translated the works of the Egyptians.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo and, to conclude, the afrocentrists are not "the only ones with papyri etc.", they simply alter whatever evidence they come across for ideological reasons. Again, no serious scholar, Western or Egyptian, supports their claims. Simply, nobody dares to say how stupid their claims are, for fear of being considered racist.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 Whatever dude. If afro-centrists claims Hippocrates was not the father of medicine and Imhotep was, there is medical techniques carved into the walls in Egypt. I've seen them. Medical instruments, prescriptions, etc. If they claim Pythagoras was not the father of math and his work was plagiarized their is proof. The structures, temples, and tombs in Africa are proof of who mastered architecture, writing, and math.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo ok, now please provide me with a reference to "medical instruments" being carved on "the walls" of Egypt. I am curious.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 goggle "kom ombo temple medical". You need to understand that you've been miseducated as the rest of the world has. Greeks are not the originators of higher learning, Africans are. When you see it with your own eyes you will know. And use common sense too. Why are the greatest structures in history in Africa? Think man. This stuff was built before Europeans were wearing shoes. Maybe it is Euro cultural inferiority that makes them omit African contributions to the species.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo the Kom Ombo relief dates to AFTER the Greek conquest, dude. Actually, that relief dates to the ROMAN period. We were not only wearing shoes, but our armies were trampling the whole world. Epic fail.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 The relief depicts the medical instruments as a offering to Imhotep, it is not the date they were created. If you weren't on youtube I would swear you didn't have the internet. This stuff is not hard to find. If you need a visual reference at how back Egyptian civilization went back as opposed to the Greeks go timemaps dot com. (of couse Egypt goes back farther like the earlier article I posted) Or just google something like "medical instruments Egypt".
100waterloo 8 months ago
Now, I know that I am not going to convince you, and vice-versa. I just suggest that people should start appreciating different civilisations for their own sake, without looking for alleged "plagiarisms" to compensate for their cultural inferiority complexes.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 Looking for alleged plagiarisms? Who about looking for the truth in a world of culture thieves? At first Euros were claiming Jews built the pyramids. What happened to that?
Mark Twain said,"A lie can make it halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on it's shoes."
My grandmother has a saying, "If it don't come out in the wash, it'll come out in the rinse."
Whites will be all but gone by 2050 I guess that will ultimately decide inferiority.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo just as I thought... u r just a racist. Plain, old school, racist. I feel sorry for you.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 again, just your opinion. Is your sympathy for my inferior culture or my racism?
watch?v=eZOCDwdsRj8&feature=related
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo I am not the one talking about races going extinct. It was stupid when the Whites did it, and it's still stupid if Black people do it now.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 I'm stating facts based on projections by population forecastors. You were talking about your bigoted opinions of cultural inferiority.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 Tthe problem with African history is that when you make one admission, others must follow. For instance, Imhotep being the true father of medicine. Pythagoras was not the father of math. Then philosophy, religion, architecture, physics, etc. THEN the inevitable question, WHY. Why is it they pretend that they created these things? White supremacy cannot exist if the truth is known. Africans created civilization, whites stole the credit, and created a culture to hide the truth.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo there are so many flaws in your reasoning, that even starting to debunk them would take me the whole afternoon. This is why I left. You simply put together too many factual inaccuracies, circular arguments, and plain old racist bias (I still fail to realise how my ethnicity alleged disappearance has ANYTHING to do with all this). You have no evidence whatsoever for the Greeks (or the whites) "stealing" Egyptian maths, medicine etc. You are the one trying to steal the credit. Face it
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 I appreciate you reviving this debate for me. It is revealing treasures.
Google "Egypt: origin of the Greek culture" by Phillip Coppens
I also researched Democritus (A fairly well known Greek scholar) The list of his works is so vast and eclectic it screams plagiarism. This despite the fact many of his works were lost. (wow) Despite your intellectual cowardice; time, scholarship, and honesty is exposing your point of view as out-dated and racist. Many Thanks.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo do you know what "pareidolia" means? It's a "psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant". Democritus (allegedly) having written too much, for you, automatically means that he had to "steal" his knowledge from Egypt. You are not "intellectually coward", you are simply delusional. Carry on with your youtube racist crusade, fortunately serious scholars have no regard for such b*llshit.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 It's possible for Democritus to have been that prolific just highly improbable. But ancient Greece is proposed to have had an incredibly high number of super productive polymaths. This would be phenomenal in itself. But, add to that that Greece, at that time was involved in war after war, and philosophers were being persecuted by the citizens of Greece at the time. It gets more implausible the more you look at it.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 do you know what projection is? It's a psychological phenomenon as well. How racist is it to attempt to erase a people's contributions from history to bolster your own people's superiority complex? Columbus discovered the Americas? Greeks invented medicine? Math? Philosophy? Native Americans were savages? Tarzan tamed Africa? There is plenty of serious scholarship that challenges Aryan revisionist history. You're just behind the curve, Dude.
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo Actually, you are doing the projection: you are the one talking about races, I am talking about cultures. And you are the one trying to steal other people's heritage. I never denied Egypt's contributions, but you are denying Greece's. And this whole race issue is retarded, since the Egyptian's were not even "black"... I am under the impression that you know very little about Egypt, even less about ancient Greece, and virtually nothing about philosophy or the history of science. Bye.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 *Egyptians
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 yes you did say cultural.. "inferiority". And I am saying the only reason you would say and believe that is because of racism. In the culture as well as you personally. To go back to the beginnings of this exchange you were antagonistic and you got what you deserved. It is obvious you don't know what you are talking about. I've been inside the pyramids, temples, and tombs of Kemet. I know exactly what the people who lived there looked like...
100waterloo 8 months ago
@100waterloo 2 more things: I did not talk about "cultural inferiority". I talked about a "cultural inferiority complex". That's the only explanation for ur attempts to steal other people's history. Clearly, u're not satisfied with ur own. Second, I am pretty sure that in "the year 2050", both blacks and whites will still be there. Only delusional racists like you will disappear. I am not "antagonistic" towards people of different ethnicity. I am antagonistic towards inaccurate bullsh*t.
Ardashir999 8 months ago
@Ardashir999 another change of topic won't help you. Whose culture am I trying to steal? I am more than satisfied with my people's contribution to history. Both past and present. According to the experts it's going to be "blacks and browns" instead of "