I agree with MrTheChomprias, I took Kenjutsu for years, but its terrible. Unless you are determined to take it devoutly for a minimum of ten years, even then, you'll never truly learn to fight. I take kendo, and they teach you fighting skills in practice, but its incredibly limited. Shinkeno is the best it gets, but I want something like the European sword arts, where you where historical fencing armour that is highly protective yet flexible (it has no weak points hence its safe) and you fight.
Hmm, do you really learned Kenjutsu for many years, and you don't know how to fight? Who said that you can not fight against your friend/colleagues to improve your skill in kenjutsu? Kata is not all, but it is important. In my opinion this is imposible to training marshal arts without fight (of course not fight to death, but with some protectors). I'm training Iaido, but I'm really like to "fight" with my friends, who don't training any marshal art, and this is good training...
@SayamakaAsagi becouse I can use same technic from Iaido kata, movement and check it in practice.
Of course use clean kata in fight may be trouble (or imposible), but if your body know what to do it will does it (I'm shure that I don't need to tell how healthy and effective is body whose training something, not only marshal arts, for example dance also give a lot of movement and speed)
If I'm right in ARMA peaple also use "kata" to training.
@SayamakaAsagi So, at the end, I can not belive that you training kenjutsu for years, and you do not know nothing about fight (or maybe you told this, becouse you are polite person who knows how much he must to learn :) )
@SayamakaAsagi I'm from a ryu which beleives in sparring. But there is not much point in keeping to fight lesser foes, in your case, your friend who do not train. Try to fight with your trained buddies, with the stronger ones preferably, with no protector if possible, let it hurt, force your body to fight under pressure, when the threat is as realistic as it gets, you won't beleive the results you'll start to get even in a few weeks.
MrChompiras is a well-fed troll, yes he is. I'd offer him a few nuggets, but I've got machete-work to be done(FIlipino Sword Arts Represent) given how inspiring it is to see such dedicated and meticulous performances.
All united in arms, all united in training, fellow sword-arts students!
This is not just choreography. These katas are the core of yagyu. The first two are sangaku and ha-sei (sorry for spelling). That is the extent of my yagyu training but I believe chudan Kata is in there also.
I LOVE the flying sword technique. Seeing a video of it does no justice - it is something that must be seen live to appreciated. The timing and reflexes it takes to properly execute that technique is unbelievable. Kudos to Kendo World for posting this and other Koryu demonstrations!
What type of shinai or bokken are they using? It looks like the middle pair is hammering each others kota...or are they just that good that they stop before they hit?
and he threw his sword at the end? the sword is the essence of the samurai why would he throw it?
They are using "fukuro shinai" or fukurojinai, which is a single piece of bamboo with the end split into multiple slats which is wrapped in a leather sleeve. The leather is treated with a redish brown (kamakura) lacquer.
In terms of why he threw the sword, you can't try to interpret the kata by watching the video, the function of the movements are "hidden in place sight" and are only really interpretable through training in the art.
@tflLoTuS I would suggest that though a sword is many thing to the warriors who use them from any culture, it is a weapon and if you can kill your opponent with it by throwing it at them then it will happen, you notice that it is about dealing with the thrown sword,not about throwing the sword. In medieval europe often the rules for a judicial duel would disallow the throwing of swords!
@OneMindAnyWeapon While a sword is still just a weapon, it is also so much more especially in japanese culture (even in the edo period with the decline of samurai and many out of a job, they refused to sell them to feed their families) Also throwing your sword is pretty much defeat. You throw it, you miss (or opponent blocks) now what? you have no weapon. Its a sign of utter desperation and you have already lost. While there is an off chance, youre better off keeping it and fighting.
@tflLoTuS While swords in Japan and Europe were much more than weapons, to assume that because of that no one would EVER throw one is nieve.
if you throw it and miss you might be well be in trouble,if I have two weapons, so I am closing in as i do so and drawing a secondary weapon or closing to grapple.
Not suggesting that it is an effective idea, but your question was why would they do it. well who knows but the point is that people obviously did it otherwise there would not be the movement in the kata nor would there be rules for duels forbidding it. It may be a desperate move, but desperate and unpredictable are things that can win a fight.
If the sword is the essence of the warrior and the goal of the warrior is to strike done the opponent then doing it with a throw could fit!
@tflLoTuS that's why they have 2 i guess. but in fact, musashi defeated a kusari-gama master by throwing his wakizashi. It's not common, which makes it effective.
@tflLoTuS nevertheless throwing a sword is a very common technique. There was a famous samurai who became very old and won a lot of duells. When he was asked what his secret was he said: when I touched my enemies blade tip, I knew if I would win or not. If I felt he was to strong, I threw my sword at him and ran away.
Keep in mind in this Kata here the sword is thrown in a way that the other partner can practice deflecting it. Especially in a performance it would look bad to actually hit.
@EntertainmentIsGood Well they have been using ki-ai through the whole thing. the so-called "spirit shout" is just one way that it is done. Ki means spirit/air and Ai means to focus or blend. Ki-ai is where you focus all the kinetic energy in your body into your movement. The Spirit shout works the abdominal muscles in such a way to make Ki-ai easier. Like wise Ai-KI is to blend/focus/direct the kinetic energy in your opponents body how and where you wish, hence Ai-Ki-do. Its also a mental thing
@applejuiceii I was referring to the two older gentlemen who were using bokken at the end. I wasn't asking what ki-ai is, or else I would not have made such a statement. Sorry for the misunderstanding it would appear I screwed up in my grammer there haha.
check out the amazing timing at 5:14, looks like he is hit but actually has his leg out of the way barely in time... very clever, very skillful stuff!
@068856 殺人剣 satsujin ken.. aka murdering techniques, heh, when you have to win at any cost. it's a weapon not only a shrine. respect it but don't worship it. it is always a tool for killing.
Excellent vid. The Yagyu guys are very deceptive in there techniques. I recently watched a Yagyu Shinkage Ryu enbu here in the states at our dojo and they had some wonderful ideas behind drawing your opponent in. Great Stuff.
I agree with MrTheChomprias, I took Kenjutsu for years, but its terrible. Unless you are determined to take it devoutly for a minimum of ten years, even then, you'll never truly learn to fight. I take kendo, and they teach you fighting skills in practice, but its incredibly limited. Shinkeno is the best it gets, but I want something like the European sword arts, where you where historical fencing armour that is highly protective yet flexible (it has no weak points hence its safe) and you fight.
Nickkraw 1 month ago
Hmm, do you really learned Kenjutsu for many years, and you don't know how to fight? Who said that you can not fight against your friend/colleagues to improve your skill in kenjutsu? Kata is not all, but it is important. In my opinion this is imposible to training marshal arts without fight (of course not fight to death, but with some protectors). I'm training Iaido, but I'm really like to "fight" with my friends, who don't training any marshal art, and this is good training...
SayamakaAsagi 3 weeks ago
@SayamakaAsagi becouse I can use same technic from Iaido kata, movement and check it in practice.
Of course use clean kata in fight may be trouble (or imposible), but if your body know what to do it will does it (I'm shure that I don't need to tell how healthy and effective is body whose training something, not only marshal arts, for example dance also give a lot of movement and speed)
If I'm right in ARMA peaple also use "kata" to training.
SayamakaAsagi 3 weeks ago
@SayamakaAsagi So, at the end, I can not belive that you training kenjutsu for years, and you do not know nothing about fight (or maybe you told this, becouse you are polite person who knows how much he must to learn :) )
Regards :)
SayamakaAsagi 3 weeks ago
@SayamakaAsagi We never got to fight, and I've never seen anyone in a video or live fight. Stop using Google translate to argue with me.
nickkraw1 2 weeks ago
@SayamakaAsagi I'm from a ryu which beleives in sparring. But there is not much point in keeping to fight lesser foes, in your case, your friend who do not train. Try to fight with your trained buddies, with the stronger ones preferably, with no protector if possible, let it hurt, force your body to fight under pressure, when the threat is as realistic as it gets, you won't beleive the results you'll start to get even in a few weeks.
Ronin8283 2 weeks ago
MrChompiras is a well-fed troll, yes he is. I'd offer him a few nuggets, but I've got machete-work to be done(FIlipino Sword Arts Represent) given how inspiring it is to see such dedicated and meticulous performances.
All united in arms, all united in training, fellow sword-arts students!
demonhunter437 2 months ago 2
This is not just choreography. These katas are the core of yagyu. The first two are sangaku and ha-sei (sorry for spelling). That is the extent of my yagyu training but I believe chudan Kata is in there also.
jimbopunk57 3 months ago
nice. thanks KW for sharing these vids. it is good to see quality video of so many koryu
rottunpunk 3 months ago
This is just a choreography...
Disappointment... Completely.
MrTheChompiras 5 months ago
What do you expext, one of them split the others skull with a bokken?
yegenek 3 months ago
@MrTheChompiras ....or kata? Why not investigate some of these ryu more closely and then comment
rottunpunk 3 months ago
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Finny1996 2 months ago in playlist Koryu - Old school martial arts.
@Finny1996 I'm devastated by that.
MrTheChompiras 2 months ago
@MrTheChompiras - cool.
Finny1996 2 months ago
Does anyone know sensei and dojo's name ? Thank you.
Omaramni 6 months ago
This is like frottage.
TheArthurMinx 1 year ago
Absolutely great!
rasnac 1 year ago
I LOVE the flying sword technique. Seeing a video of it does no justice - it is something that must be seen live to appreciated. The timing and reflexes it takes to properly execute that technique is unbelievable. Kudos to Kendo World for posting this and other Koryu demonstrations!
FatherLucho 1 year ago
you guys just fukin talk your enimies to death =)
the lot of you os no understand of what the way is.
has nothing to do with spirit or weapons.....
don't ask me what it is either =)
kenshin420jj 1 year ago
Ah, thank you for your answer
perhaps, though it still bothers me. i would very much like to know, perhaps i will have to train in this style now so i can find out.
tflLoTuS 1 year ago
Couple questions:
What type of shinai or bokken are they using? It looks like the middle pair is hammering each others kota...or are they just that good that they stop before they hit?
and he threw his sword at the end? the sword is the essence of the samurai why would he throw it?
tflLoTuS 1 year ago
@tflLoTuS
They are using "fukuro shinai" or fukurojinai, which is a single piece of bamboo with the end split into multiple slats which is wrapped in a leather sleeve. The leather is treated with a redish brown (kamakura) lacquer.
In terms of why he threw the sword, you can't try to interpret the kata by watching the video, the function of the movements are "hidden in place sight" and are only really interpretable through training in the art.
IshiYamaRyuSeattle 1 year ago
@IshiYamaRyuSeattle i thought they wre hikihada. -__- oh well :D
mikeymarshful 1 year ago
@tflLoTuS I would suggest that though a sword is many thing to the warriors who use them from any culture, it is a weapon and if you can kill your opponent with it by throwing it at them then it will happen, you notice that it is about dealing with the thrown sword,not about throwing the sword. In medieval europe often the rules for a judicial duel would disallow the throwing of swords!
OneMindAnyWeapon 1 year ago
@OneMindAnyWeapon While a sword is still just a weapon, it is also so much more especially in japanese culture (even in the edo period with the decline of samurai and many out of a job, they refused to sell them to feed their families) Also throwing your sword is pretty much defeat. You throw it, you miss (or opponent blocks) now what? you have no weapon. Its a sign of utter desperation and you have already lost. While there is an off chance, youre better off keeping it and fighting.
tflLoTuS 1 year ago
@tflLoTuS While swords in Japan and Europe were much more than weapons, to assume that because of that no one would EVER throw one is nieve.
if you throw it and miss you might be well be in trouble,if I have two weapons, so I am closing in as i do so and drawing a secondary weapon or closing to grapple.
OneMindAnyWeapon 1 year ago
Not suggesting that it is an effective idea, but your question was why would they do it. well who knows but the point is that people obviously did it otherwise there would not be the movement in the kata nor would there be rules for duels forbidding it. It may be a desperate move, but desperate and unpredictable are things that can win a fight.
If the sword is the essence of the warrior and the goal of the warrior is to strike done the opponent then doing it with a throw could fit!
OneMindAnyWeapon 1 year ago
@tflLoTuS that's why they have 2 i guess. but in fact, musashi defeated a kusari-gama master by throwing his wakizashi. It's not common, which makes it effective.
bin1127 1 year ago
@bin1127 - Yes, In a fictional novel, he did do just that.
Finny1996 2 months ago in playlist Koryu - Old school martial arts.
@tflLoTuS nevertheless throwing a sword is a very common technique. There was a famous samurai who became very old and won a lot of duells. When he was asked what his secret was he said: when I touched my enemies blade tip, I knew if I would win or not. If I felt he was to strong, I threw my sword at him and ran away.
Keep in mind in this Kata here the sword is thrown in a way that the other partner can practice deflecting it. Especially in a performance it would look bad to actually hit.
Jiyukan 10 months ago
The secrets in Yagyu Shinkage Ryu
watch?v=FfhtYKQ-iU0
tmme1234 1 year ago
wow now that's a Ki-ai scared me through the headphones lol
EntertainmentIsGood 1 year ago
@EntertainmentIsGood Well they have been using ki-ai through the whole thing. the so-called "spirit shout" is just one way that it is done. Ki means spirit/air and Ai means to focus or blend. Ki-ai is where you focus all the kinetic energy in your body into your movement. The Spirit shout works the abdominal muscles in such a way to make Ki-ai easier. Like wise Ai-KI is to blend/focus/direct the kinetic energy in your opponents body how and where you wish, hence Ai-Ki-do. Its also a mental thing
applejuiceii 1 year ago
@applejuiceii I was referring to the two older gentlemen who were using bokken at the end. I wasn't asking what ki-ai is, or else I would not have made such a statement. Sorry for the misunderstanding it would appear I screwed up in my grammer there haha.
EntertainmentIsGood 1 year ago
excellent. The legacy of Yagyu Munenori.
eliskander 1 year ago
along with mizoguchi and ono ha ittoryu and tsksr i want to learn this as well
jung567 2 years ago
check out the amazing timing at 5:14, looks like he is hit but actually has his leg out of the way barely in time... very clever, very skillful stuff!
itsumonihon 2 years ago
9:42 omg wtff? he isresprcte the katana!?!?!!!!
068856 2 years ago
@068856 殺人剣 satsujin ken.. aka murdering techniques, heh, when you have to win at any cost. it's a weapon not only a shrine. respect it but don't worship it. it is always a tool for killing.
itsumonihon 2 years ago
@itsumonihon doesn't it also mean the sword that gives life?
bullmeecham 1 year ago
@068856 That' scary....
RaiAntou 1 year ago
I can't thank you enough for sharing this ...
Feilongtobi 2 years ago
Chikara !!
karateusa1 2 years ago
the yagyu looks actually great
jung567 2 years ago
Excellent vid. The Yagyu guys are very deceptive in there techniques. I recently watched a Yagyu Shinkage Ryu enbu here in the states at our dojo and they had some wonderful ideas behind drawing your opponent in. Great Stuff.
Samuraihitachi 2 years ago
he threw his katana!!!!!
izzazalexander 2 years ago
and so what? (its bokken not katana) anyway, to win you must be unpredictible
shinigamichalwa 2 years ago
Excellent demo, this is my sensei's favorite ko-ryu and now i can see why
rahcoon 2 years ago