@RoseSiegel When? Where? I followed the tour 100%, and saw a lot of his more controversial displays, but fingering a woman on his tour? didn't happen.
Your videos are clearly biased, no one cares what you're saying because you're too stupid to freestyle, you're obviously reading. So your videos are empty and have no charisma.
You're clearly one sided and biased. All of these videos are stupid. I used to get angry about these things now I can't be bothered.
I really do believe that people like this weirdo girl/dude that complain like this are wasting their time. For example, Islam is winning many converts and has a high birth rate...so what?
A man kissing a woman is not offensive as it is what is done by the majority of the population. A woman kissing a woman is a turn on for a lot of heterosexual men therefore they show it simply because it makes them more popular with those men who pervert/manipulate lesbianism on a daily basis (I know Madonna and Britney aren't Lesbians). Two men kissing is not a majority thing or a turn on for a lot of people (other than non-heterosexual men) therefore they see it as right to censor it. Dicks!
@CriminalMinds89: Acually two men kissing is a major turn on for millions of girls and women. The problem is despite the giant yaoi/slash phenomenon we ladies are more descreet about it than men so those morons in the entertainment industry and men in general just don't get that there are probably even more women perving about gay men than pimply dudes pering about lesbians. XD
But regarding censorship this is an American and not a western European problem. I love my country, haha.
You dont like Adam Labert? U sure ur gay? Isnt CBS a Christian network. Are u surprised they have an agenda. I watched the interview the reporter ignored what he said and kept imposing some double standard as if it was the law.
Plain and simple - American Idol is show watched by millions of Americans a year. It's highly popular and people of all ages watch it. Being he was a star of the show, and that children amongst the people that watched his rise to fame, for a kiss between two men to be done by a possible child's idol could be shocking and confusing. Most parents do not want their kids seeing such things - it's the way the world is. That is why I believe it was blurred. For the sake of children of those parents.
I Am a 13 Year old female and to all you homophobes out there Who belive in God ** as my christian friend says If god haddent wanted homosexuals to be homosexual then they wouldnt be homosexual** i belive homosexuals are the kindest nicest people i have ever met most call me a homo hugger and yes i am i love them they and all of you as i belive your mothers must have said when you were young if you cant say anything nice dont say anything at all. and on that note i end my rant.
I Am a 13 Year old female and to all you homophobes out there Who belive in God ** as my christian friend says If god haddent wanted homosexuals to be homosexual then they wouldnt be homosexual** i belive homosexuals are the kindest nicest people i have ever met most call me a homo hugger and yes i am i love them they and all of you as i belive your mothers must have said when you were young if you cant say anything nice dont say anything at all. and on that note i end my rant
Jesus fucking christ... I knew that the internet was full of shit... But you, I mean.. Oh my god man(or woman, or wtf you are). I am really shocked, and sick to my stomach dude.. You should really not show your self in public, and most definitely not on youtube...
seriously.. You've managed to ruin my day, and that's extreme...
Oh and btw, does your parents know about your this?... And if so, they must piss shame...
(on a side note) I cannot believe how childishly you are all behaving. I am a thirteen year old girl, I just turned thirteen two weeks ago, and I believe that I am far more "grown up" then most of the people that are posting comments on this video.
I have thought about this issue from your point of view. I do understand what you are trying to say. That doesn't mean that I think you are right, because I think you are quite wrong. I have tried to see things from your point of view, and in return I ask you see it from ours. Perhaps it will change how you see things, perhaps not.
That however, is my opinion, because my moral compass does not allow me to say awful things about the men and women I dislike and/or do not agree with. I keep most of the hateful feelings I experience to myself, and instead of acting on them I try to think from the other persons point of view. If I still do not understand them, so be it, perhaps I will someday.
every time I read the comments on this video I begin to lose faith in humanity. Adam Lambert is one of my favorite artists of today, and I'm sick of people saying horrible things about him. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I believe in free speech. I do not believe that you can say whatever you want about a person.
Well, I agree with you. I don't believe in the double standard. I think his performance was disgusting and most straight singers' performances are disgusting. They should make the big deal about the performances of all the straight sexual performances too. I don't think singers need to be (man) whores to put up a good performance. Nonetheless, if they think that will earn them fans, then they have the right to do it, gay or straight, so long as it is later at night.
A warning to all you homophobic males... before you bash Zinna for his views, make damn sure your argument is logical, provides proof, and above all, doesn't blatantly gay bash. One time after another, when people post stupid responses to Zinna videos, Zinna ends up pwning them ruthlessly.
we dont want your homosexual behsvior shown to our kids on prime time tv,,,news flash- most people think your homosexual love fest in everyones face is disgusting and that goes for the hetero sex being pushed too not just you all,,,understand we dont want our kids told that homosexuality is a thing they need to try (in school my kid was taught this) and I flipped,,,you have pushed yr lifestyle on everyone GOD didnt make us gay ,,,your immoral face facts
First, no students are being instructed in schools to engage in gay sex, or any sex. This is a myth and a scare tactic promulgated by religious homophobes to stir up animosity against gay people. Second, the presence of gay people, even affection between gay people, is not pushing their "lifestyle" on anyone any more that heterosexuals are pushing their lifestyle on us. Third, there is no god, but if there was, it's obvious that some people are innately gay just as some are innately straight.
@candiceevans1 I'm sick and tired of this heterosexist meme. Don't you even understand that homosexuals must deal with all that "straightness" all up in their face. Hearing their friends talk about girls, and hearing them talk about crushes and all that typical pubescent banter. When they express themselves to any natural extent, they are accused of pushing their views into the faces of thier heterosexual counterparts. hipocracy. My Goddess Diana, loves me gay and views my love as a blessing.
@candiceevans1 ZJs response was 2 polite. Ur children are more under threat from the far more explicit hetero prime time activity, and if everyone else is being edgy on TV, u cant have a double stndrd that only prevents gays from doing the same. Responding to attacks on their personal lives is not pushing anything on anyone, rather its pushing back(resisting) when someone like you decides to 'push'. No1s rights r violated so its not immoral
Well, Iike ABC I would have censored that kiss too. But unlike ABC I'm not against gays in any way. I saw the music awards I just think it makes a bad impression because people would think that gays kiss like saint bernards! Adam Lambert should have practiced that before going on stage. If I seen ANYONE kiss like that I would be grossed out! (with the exception of a saint bernard.)
@xXFlockofGriffinsXx How..exactly are they drop dead gorgeous? Srsly..They fuck other dudes up the ass, where shit comes out of, making them gross. What kind of woman would want to be with a man, that has 0 sexual interests in them? And before you say, oh they'll connect with us more emotionally, how long till the woman actually wants to enjoy the lovely act of sex? The VIBE will only last for so long and the guy isn't interested. You can generalize all you want, I'll stick to facts.
Yeah, that was a very good one. We should put you on TV ZJ, you'd be great as a talk show host, bringing the issues of the gay community to millions that don't follow Youtube. Sadly I wish there were more gay channels.
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The media are businesses. They can censor whatever program they have rights to, in whatever way. Although censoring Adam Lambert is clearly double standards, I don't really hold "them" any lesser for it. I also am of the opinion that Lambert's sexuality is damaging towards the gay rights movement, because it displays a popular homosexual man are promiscuous and highly sexualized.
Well, the position that displaying a popular homosexual man as promiscuous and highly sexualized should be damaging towards the gay rights movement is itself damaging to the gay rights movement. That's essentially just taking other people's prejudices, orienting ourselves around them, and adopting their prejudice as our own.
If that already counts as highly sexualized over there than your country has far more problems with (any kind of)sexuality then I even thought by now.
oh ok, I only heard complaints about the Kiss and assumed that this then would be the only thing for some People to complain about(so I stand corrected about that) but I still fail to see the Reason for that strong reaction, musicians mimic sexual practices all the Time(for (one of many)example every Rapper who dances hip on hip with one of the Women in their Videos)
-->so what? No one seem to see a Reason there to draw a connection to their civil rights
I feel your anger, babe. ...but I'm so used to it. Same thing happens with black people.
When a black is doing something you think is bad, he's horrible for the entire race. See, that's why people don't like blacks, etc, etc. Same with gays.
When Bush is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and starting a war unconstitutionally, he's not a bad role model for white. He doesn't represent all white people and all white shouldn't be ashamed.
i could not agree withu more..... CBS hav no problem ( now ) in airing episodes of AS THE WORLD TURNS ( 'Luke n Noah" kiss) SO what the hell was the big deal about "blurring" out the screen when showing adam kissing another dude in a PERFORMANCE on A STAGE!..... U ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pretty lady, I have trouble watching you talk without starting to think naughty thoughts; you're gorgeous, I'm sorry. You're great. And, boy, would I love to date you, if I lived near you. (I'm in NE Tennessee, near Dollywood, so I'm probably like 1,000 miles away from you; inconvenient for romance. Sigh---only in my dreams.)
100% with ya on this. I guess CBS was thinking of all the old ladies watching in the morning. I will say however people SHOULD have different expectations for gay people. Expect them to be gay.
I dont mind watching any kissing on tv because thats in my house. What I dont care for is kissing and groping when I'm at a public pool I dont care if their gay or straight take that to a private room. People need to keep their affections to themselves.
I've always found the pandering cowardice of the liberal "movement" tiring. That gay people criticize each other for rocking the boat is just ridiculous. Back when Ellen created a media hurricane by having the guts to come out, Chastity Bono said she was "too gay" while Elton John said "We know you're a lesbian. Shut up! Just be funny." As long as gay society keeps eating at itself form the inside, we're never going to get anywhere.
it is and has been pretty obvious that Adam is gay... since it is so obvious i'm guessing people aren't surprised that he kisses guys... but then again, one of my friends saw the footage uncensored and he turned blind! so there we have it, ABC is just trying to protect us!
No you're right on that because humanity is a failed expirement. But what I'm saying is that there is no way for any other types of sexuality to be existent if not for the nature of how we reproduce naturally.
@EJSticks Obviously heterosexuals had to produce to start a race...but homosexuality is perfectly natural, it's even existed among certain species of animal.
You clearly don't understand the definition of a society. As ZJ said, it's a lot more than reproduction. Plus, thanks to technology homosexuals CAN reproduce just as well as heterosexuals if they so desire. I don't see how reproduction is relevant to anything here, though.
You can complain all you want but heterosexuals started the society that we live in today and there's no other way the human race could've expanded without it.
Actually, no. Reproducing is not all it takes to "start a society". It's not as if you can just fuck until you have a bunch of people, and not bother doing anything else, and then BAM! Society! Thanks, heterosexuals!
No. That's like leaving rabbits to breed uncontrolled and then saying they have a "society" now. Society is something that has to be worked at, built and developed by people. Society was created by straight people and gay people.
Straight people have been around WAY before homosexuality began its destructive insurgence. To use your very own sordid homosexualist logic, "gays wouldn't exist without straights".
No, society is not a matter of mere population, but rather of unified communion of people who work toward the interest of building strong societies by way of developing strong family and morality structure.
Homosexuality is one of the main antitheses of such, and you (of all people) know that best, ZJ!
"Straight people have been around WAY before homosexuality began its destructive insurgence." And you know this as fact how? If both gay and straight people exist in today's "world" then its obvious they existed along side heterosexuals.
To say that it doesn't make me a better person simply by virtue of being straight -- ON THE SURFACE of the matter, you are correct.
However, why do you insist on convincing the world that homosexuals are "SO MUCH BETTER" then heterosexuals? That kind of behavior damn sure doesn't give you any good light at all, much less make you look better.
And by the way, NO HETEROSEXUAL has ever contributed to the destruction of society simply on account of their heterosexuality.
It's not as much what you do IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME that affects society rather than your CONSISTENT IMPOSITION of said practices on the rest of society -- on straight society -- of which the majority still aren't in heavy agreement with.
Bottom line: Homosexuals cannot fundamentally FORCE heterosexuals to practice or accept homosexuality or anything that remotely implies equating it to heterosexuality, and shouldn't insist on it either.
@ FinalJusticeMovement Your linear thinking is flawed life is sexual, neither gay or straight came first both appeared simultaneously. Same with the labels. Plants, Bonobos, and yes even early humans were all omni-sexual. Evolution is not like lines, rather like branches. Societies only seem to prosper with diversity. When diversity is assured everything else can attend to its self. Insistence is unnecessary it is simply the way things are either accept the fact or spend your life offended.
Homosexuality has nothing to do with equality, cultural diversity, or human evolution. Homosexuality is about social anarchy and the ultimate moral corruption -- not merely about the act itself, but more so about what it teaches -- that men and women should be separated..
How can society prosper when the two very components that make society exist as we know it are programmed to hate and destroy each other, not to mention produce a lost generation of children?
SINCE WHEN have I ever been religious in any comment I have made here.
Religion is YOUR hang-up, probably because you (like ZJ) are SO against God or ANY minute standard of morality, but the issue of homosexuality is FAR beyond religion, and that's why I don''t dwell on the religious aspect.
Why is my comment hateful? How can it be when I'm only exposing the REAL hater -- the homosexual -- who fundamentally hates and encourages hatred of the opposite gender?
"Loving your fellow brother man is WAY DIFFERENT than lying down with and copulating him into possible internal physical damage for BOTH of you."
I don't know how many things I find wrong with this single sentence, other than the grammar.
Yeah, it is different. What does that have to do with anything?
That internal damage could occur during anal intercourse I can understand, never really heard of it though. But internal damage to the one not getting it I don't get.
Well, you're the one, Founoe, who suggested that I hate my fellow man because he is a man, and you asked a question in that regard, so I answered it.
To clarify further, there is the IMMEDIATE damage that the receiving partner would get, and there's the highly-potential BACTERIAL or VIRAL damage EITHER partner would get.
How could you not hear of it, unless your ears were cut off?
I'm actually glad you said that, Fo, because you're absolutely correct.
Love and sex ARE two different things, but they go hand in hand more so in heterosexual relations than homosexual encounters, mainly because homosexuality has NOTHING at all to do with love.
By the way, your attempt to contrast homosexuality to any similar problems with heterosexuals is moot, because even with all applicable similarities intact, heteros are still generally happier than homosexuals are.
You don't need to tell me that. If you say that homosexuals *hate* the other gender you are also saying heterosexuals hate their own gender. But obviously you don't even believe yourself.
I don't really understand what you mean by that second thing. Are you saying homosexual men don't understand how babies are made or...?
That last part is just nonsense, what actual fact is that based on other than your own thoughts?
If you take the act itself out of the equation then use what it teaches than you must admit that since no one is the same what is taught will always be subject to individual opinion. It is YOUR programming to hate and destroy, as it is homosexuals programming to be gay. I recommend you look into the research of Simon LeVay specifically the INAH3 cell in the brain that may support the gay gene theory. How do you account for biological hermaphrodites and drones?
Shadow, you're confusing HUMAN INTERACTION (compounded with free will) with SEXUALITY, which (although inter-related) are two completely different things.
Just because two human beings have the ability to slap each other silly doesn't make it beneficial to each other's well-being (which, of course, it isn't).
Humans possess the sense of smell, taste, touch, and so they have the ABILITY to kiss ANYONE. But that doesn't render homosexuality natural, and you KNOW it (even with your degree).
@FJM That is an argument? Inter-related = completely different? Ability doesnt = naturalness? Are you saying abilities are unnatural? Have you been paying any attention? I asked for EVIDENCE to back up your claims. Where are the facts? If that is the best you can offer, Ill win this argument. Allow me give FURTHER evidence to back up mine. Primates like bonobos, rhesus macaques, and rhesus monkeys all show homosexual behavior and could care less about human interaction it is natural.
The evidence is right in front of your eyes if you use them enough, Shadow. Besides, where are YOUR facts?
I already hinted at monkeys in one of my posts in case you didn't catch it, because WE ALL KNOW how famous they are homosexual play. And yes, you're right -- they DON'T care about human interaction when it comes to this because THEY'RE NOT HUMANS!
I'll make myself clear -- When animals INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER, they STILL manage to mate with the opposite sex (EVEN if they mount!)
Also what is your explanation for the teachings of cattle, pigs, rabbits, and dogs who mount anything during heat? What about 200000 other species of birds, reptiles, even fish and insects. They have no society to speak of. Exactly what are they teaching, do you see how your argument is breaking down? Lets continue.
One thing I find VERY interesting is that animals don't possess most of the kind of logic that humans do, but they ALWAYS MANAGE to continue the traditional male/female mating ritual (whether or not they DO ("mount").
If homosexuality was natural according to your logic, this would mean that ALL animals would engage in such practice, and there would be otherwise no human OR animal life today.
@FJM Natural doesnt = universal. Again DIVERSITY IS NATURE. If humans are so superior as you claim, would we not see MORE diversity in human behavior? Apparently we do. The Nuclear family is only about 70 years old historically, which brings me back to the Greeks. The reason history is important is to gain a broad perspective on humanity, which you seem to lack, modern Western thought began with the Greeks and so did our abstract concepts, which also change randomly. Come on, be a challenge.
You're going to have to do better than that, Shadow.
How did modern society begin with the
Greeks, when the Egyptians TAUGHT the Greeks virtually everything they knew about merely laying a foundation? The Washington Monument itself is an obelisk, an architecture created by the EGYPTIANS!
However, the Greeks WERE indeed the greatest influence on modern homosexuality and pornography. The term "lesbian" itself was adopted from the people of Lesbos as a disassociation from "gay" men.
Fact -Greek culture was already established before contact with the Egyptians, the Phoenicians and Persons were more of an influence on early Greece than Egypt. Minoan Culture on Crete lasted 3000-1400 BC peaking around 1600 The Egyptians were fighting the Hittites and Syrians at this time thus they could not have helped set any foundation. - History The Definitive Visual Guide DK Publishing.
@FJ Fact - The 16th century Spanish were outraged by the widespread homosexuality and transvestism they found in the Americas. -Letters from Mexico, Hernan Cortes Yale University Press.
Fact - Cave art from Mongolia depicts homosexual imagery, published by Russian rock researcher Nora Novgorodova.
Fact -According to Herodotus first contact between the cultures happened around 570-526 BC during the reign of Ahmose II - The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt by Ian Shaw.
@FJ Fact -The ideas of political theory, philosophy, theatre, reason & logic come from Athens. Military drills, formations, tactics etc from Sparta- Europe A History, Norman Davies.
The Washington obelisk is the ONLY Egyptian architecture in DC, House of Congress, White House, etc is rooted in Greek. They would be much more grandiose if Egyptian. Physiological makeup? Oh you mean like the INAH3 cell in the brain that may support the gay gene theory, or biological hermaphrodites?
Also, Shadow, it doesn't matter whether or not animals do it. Homosexuality is still not physically natural for animals OR humans, and this proven by their respective physiological makeup.
The anus cannot naturally lubricate as a vagina does. This is FACT!
The penis and vagina are designed to easily contour to each other.
Ergo, homosexuals would and do have to ALTER their methods and physical positioning accordingly to COPY the full-on, NATURAL heterosexual ritual.
@FJ Mabie this could help you -Argumentation 101 = basic structure of an individual argument consists of a claim, evidence for it, an inference linking the evidence to the claim, and a warrant justifying that inference. Yes! A fact from you at last! You are correct the anus cannot naturally lubricate. But how does that statement infer the link that it isnt a natural occurrence? And that it seems not to deter any activity whatsoever?
@FJ How can you say it is not natural when most of nature does it without giving a damn? If it is not coming from nature then exactly where does it come from another dimension? I have given you several examples not hinted at but I guess you have missed them, just read my early responses to you. For the record wear a black or gray handkerchief from now on, you are obviously a masochist, because Im tearing you apart and you just keep coming back for more.
In ancient Greece bi-sexuality was the dominant social teaching, one might suggest that anarchy, corruption, and family are only abstract concepts that change randomly throughout time. I think it is fair to warn you at this point I possess several college degrees. I have plenty of evidence to support my claims. You would do well to begin presenting evidence to counter my argument, rather than your deluded angry hand-waving opinions. Homosexuality/All sexuality is natural.
Indeed, Shadow, it was more so HOMOSEXUALITY rather than bisexuality (and overall loose sexual behavior) that was the dominant social teaching in ancient Greece, which, in fact, explains why anarchy and corruption have NOT changed but rather evolved. Family, on the other hand, has DEvolved up to this point in time, and it is highly reflective upon the aforementioned "abstract concepts".
But the real question is what the hell does ancient Greece have to do with YOU or I as individuals?
Homosexuality was NEVER around BEFORE heterosexuality EVEN from millions of years ago, and I will NOT allow you to think you can convince me OR anyone else with that kind of monkey cheese.
they didn't sensor the crotch head thing? the kiss ain't abig deal, he wouldn't have been kicked off abc for that, it was the crotch thing and the whips chains and stuff in combo, plus the other crotch thing with the girl. had he just kissed a guy, abc would not have kept him off the show i don't think. they would have talked to his handlers prolly.
no, you are missing the boat. i was talking to someone else, so you are trying to argue apples and oranges with me and that is why it seems to make no sense to you. when you jump in in the middle of a conversation, that can happen.
Here's a question, Who gives a fuck? People need to get over the media, there are more important things in life than what is censored on TV. Try reading a fucking book
you're retarded and obviously haven't watched anything she's put up other than this, if you even watched the entire video. It's about censorship on the basis of something as trivial as sexuality, idiot, not about popular media.
She? I'm sorry, but that is a man baby! I'm sure with a visual exam, and a genetic test, the results would be absolute.
There are thousands of double standards in society. I could spend all day going on about them, but it won't change anything will it. Spending your time doing something useful instead of bitching and whining makes all the sense in the world to me. If every gay person on Earth protested this censorship, it wouldn't change anything. It's a lost cause.
Um, I'd have to be stupid to not know this was a man. Obviously 'he' identifies with himself as a 'she,' so in order to respect her, I refer to her in a feminine way... duh.
And also, if you really believe that and think that "bitching and whining" about things that won't change is a waste of time, then why comment on the video at all? There's no point in complaining about people who comment on social issues on Youtube because they'll always be here- you're wasting *your* time. Hypocrite.
There is a far greater chance of change when speaking one-on-one with someone. ZJs video isn't directed to any one person in particular, my comment was.
A: Because there are thousands of double standards in our society, we shouldn't care? I guess the women's rights movement was a waste of time too, after all, when it first started the vast majority of males in the country were against it. Since when do we stop fighting for what we believe in? Just because there is some opposition, it must be a lost cause? Last I checked this is America we were talking about.
B: FYI - Books are a form of media. In fact, book censorship is very common (cont)
(cont) to this day. Ever heard of banned books? Media censorship is an important issue, reguarless of the medium. Is internet censorship irrelevent too? In this day and age literary merit isn't limited to the printed word.
She created this video to express how she felt, and considering it has recieved almost 11,000 views I would say that her contribution is indeed important, reguardless as to whether or not you personally agree with her opinion.
Pink rubbed a guy's face into her crotch in 2004, on network television during a music awards show. And... no. It did not cause any concern, actually.
Moral equivalence is a bad argument and usually means your argument has no merit so you try to confuse the issue by making comparisons to other equally bad behavior.
Doesn't fly in the courtroom. "Hey judge I was going 75 but the guy next to me was going 77".
Who cares? Your still guilty.
Adam Lambert was a asshole plain and simple and it cost him. National television is not the local gay bar and if the guy is to stupid to see that oh well.
Pointing out that scrutiny has been applied inconsistently -- in some cases, not at all -- does indeed indicate that perhaps it isn't merited. At the very least, the inconsistent reaction shows that explicitness actually is not a factor here. Why the differing reaction -- what was different here? Well, most obviously, it was man/man vs. man/woman.
Maybe so but Lambert should not have put himself in that position. He was inconsiderate of his audience. Maybe it's right or wrong but people have a right to watch a national television show without watching a guy pretend to suck another guys dick.
He's a entertainer and if he doesn't respect his audience or his employer and allows personal desires to rule his life then he should be prepared for the consequences.
Guys sucking guys dicks grosses people out. So does other forms of pda.
No, no, you've got it all wrong. The reason why they censored Adam's kiss and not Britney and Madonna's kiss is because Britney and Madonna aren't actually lesbian. The media only censors REAL gay stuff.
(Yes, I'm being facetious)
I'm so glad that another person in today's pop culture is willing to be unapologetically open about being gay, not like MIKA and Anderson Cooper who think that coming out completely might hurt their ratings.
I'm sorry, but while I agree legal suits concerning this are just stupid, the act itself is just something I don't wanna see. Lambert can do anything he wants at a live concert, where people who come to see him know what to expect. But a live T.V. show? Same goes for the Britney/Madonna kiss, and I'm no different than other straight males, two women kissing is a turn on. But, IMHO, prime time T.V. isn't the place for it.
I agree with you here. They are more concerned for their reputation on showing such content, opposed to any "legal action". They are afraid they will lose ratings, they do not care about morality. I have several friends whom are homosexual or lesbian, they're all cool as hell and very good people. Good thing is, statistically, gay rights supporters are increasing. As well as tolerance towards the subject. Live and let live.
I hate to say it, but shoving your tongue down a fellow band-member's throat is not necessarily "love". Often, a kiss like that is just "lust". And that's fine, too! But let's not mince words here.
when the microphone goes fuzzy, you know zinna is PISSED!
BITCHSHITCUNTFUCK 1 month ago
"gay people are gay."
best quote ever.
shrinkiwannakill 1 month ago in playlist More videos from ZJemptv
wtf adam lamburt is gay??
MeleeFiend01 1 month ago
He was also finger f*cking a woman dancer in his act. That's kind of smarmy to display.
RoseSiegel 4 months ago
@RoseSiegel When? Where? I followed the tour 100%, and saw a lot of his more controversial displays, but fingering a woman on his tour? didn't happen.
CzarriaAfdemaur 2 months ago
I just realized this isn't a new video, some one I'm subed to "liked" it. Good video though and nice jacket.
Disthron 4 months ago
It's about money. Not legalities.
alowlyapprentice 4 months ago
duuuddee... your friends did a prank on you when you were sleeping and put lipstick on you.
AtheistView 4 months ago
the link is a lie :/
2silentvoices 4 months ago in playlist More videos from ZJemptv
Your videos are clearly biased, no one cares what you're saying because you're too stupid to freestyle, you're obviously reading. So your videos are empty and have no charisma.
You're clearly one sided and biased. All of these videos are stupid. I used to get angry about these things now I can't be bothered.
I really do believe that people like this weirdo girl/dude that complain like this are wasting their time. For example, Islam is winning many converts and has a high birth rate...so what?
MrPonko 6 months ago
"gay people are gay"
dealwithit
SeriouslyPissedOff 8 months ago
A man kissing a woman is not offensive as it is what is done by the majority of the population. A woman kissing a woman is a turn on for a lot of heterosexual men therefore they show it simply because it makes them more popular with those men who pervert/manipulate lesbianism on a daily basis (I know Madonna and Britney aren't Lesbians). Two men kissing is not a majority thing or a turn on for a lot of people (other than non-heterosexual men) therefore they see it as right to censor it. Dicks!
CriminalMinds89 11 months ago
@CriminalMinds89: Acually two men kissing is a major turn on for millions of girls and women. The problem is despite the giant yaoi/slash phenomenon we ladies are more descreet about it than men so those morons in the entertainment industry and men in general just don't get that there are probably even more women perving about gay men than pimply dudes pering about lesbians. XD
But regarding censorship this is an American and not a western European problem. I love my country, haha.
Trampadoo 9 months ago 2
@Trampadoo Yeah, you're right. The problem is the focus on men and not women.
CriminalMinds89 9 months ago
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CyberrPolice 1 year ago
are u wearing lipstick?
kazario 1 year ago
you should be on the radio
DivineSkeleton 1 year ago 5
You are sooooooooooooooooo damn right!!!
Margolith1 1 year ago
Oh snap. I love your video!
lu4y4pants 1 year ago
Love you and love this video. :)
roxasyoboxas 1 year ago
If what's on TV is offensive to you or bad for your children, throw it out; It's bad for everyone.
Daghead 1 year ago
Its so true!
Glambert456 1 year ago
I kinda like replaying 2:38 over and over.
such a drastic change
OniLordMiki 1 year ago
This is still one of my favorite videos of yours, ZJ :)
JVo135 1 year ago
Righteous.
clintallen123 1 year ago
i totally agree i couldnt said it better:-)
idis91 1 year ago
Only just found this video recently. I know you posted it eons ago, but I just wanted to pop in to say that you rock. :)
RosaLui 1 year ago
You dont like Adam Labert? U sure ur gay? Isnt CBS a Christian network. Are u surprised they have an agenda. I watched the interview the reporter ignored what he said and kept imposing some double standard as if it was the law.
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
DUDE, I FRICKEN LOVE YOU
marry me?
Chetowa12 1 year ago
Well said :) and anyway Janet Jackson staged the whole thing imho. And your lipstick is fab btw :)
schizokittzo 1 year ago
notice how all the people who complain about censorship are alway
to young to have kids
videowatch84 1 year ago
Plain and simple - American Idol is show watched by millions of Americans a year. It's highly popular and people of all ages watch it. Being he was a star of the show, and that children amongst the people that watched his rise to fame, for a kiss between two men to be done by a possible child's idol could be shocking and confusing. Most parents do not want their kids seeing such things - it's the way the world is. That is why I believe it was blurred. For the sake of children of those parents.
trevorbronson 1 year ago
you fucking rawk man
OmegaFreedomBase 1 year ago
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I Am a 13 Year old female and to all you homophobes out there Who belive in God ** as my christian friend says If god haddent wanted homosexuals to be homosexual then they wouldnt be homosexual** i belive homosexuals are the kindest nicest people i have ever met most call me a homo hugger and yes i am i love them they and all of you as i belive your mothers must have said when you were young if you cant say anything nice dont say anything at all. and on that note i end my rant.
KreativePoison 1 year ago
I Am a 13 Year old female and to all you homophobes out there Who belive in God ** as my christian friend says If god haddent wanted homosexuals to be homosexual then they wouldnt be homosexual** i belive homosexuals are the kindest nicest people i have ever met most call me a homo hugger and yes i am i love them they and all of you as i belive your mothers must have said when you were young if you cant say anything nice dont say anything at all. and on that note i end my rant
KreativePoison 1 year ago
3:08-3:27 EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEAR THIS. Your videos are beyond inspiring, you need more subscribers: the world!
shigekishock 1 year ago
100% logic.
Jeremiah5063 1 year ago
Jesus fucking christ... I knew that the internet was full of shit... But you, I mean.. Oh my god man(or woman, or wtf you are). I am really shocked, and sick to my stomach dude.. You should really not show your self in public, and most definitely not on youtube...
seriously.. You've managed to ruin my day, and that's extreme...
Oh and btw, does your parents know about your this?... And if so, they must piss shame...
drummerboy5001 1 year ago
(on a side note) I cannot believe how childishly you are all behaving. I am a thirteen year old girl, I just turned thirteen two weeks ago, and I believe that I am far more "grown up" then most of the people that are posting comments on this video.
iamzhippoppotimus 1 year ago
@iamzhippoppotimus I just realized that I never made it clear that I agree with ZJ. whoops
iamzhippoppotimus 10 months ago
I have thought about this issue from your point of view. I do understand what you are trying to say. That doesn't mean that I think you are right, because I think you are quite wrong. I have tried to see things from your point of view, and in return I ask you see it from ours. Perhaps it will change how you see things, perhaps not.
iamzhippoppotimus 1 year ago
That however, is my opinion, because my moral compass does not allow me to say awful things about the men and women I dislike and/or do not agree with. I keep most of the hateful feelings I experience to myself, and instead of acting on them I try to think from the other persons point of view. If I still do not understand them, so be it, perhaps I will someday.
iamzhippoppotimus 1 year ago
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every time I read the comments on this video I begin to lose faith in humanity. Adam Lambert is one of my favorite artists of today, and I'm sick of people saying horrible things about him. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I believe in free speech. I do not believe that you can say whatever you want about a person.
iamzhippoppotimus 1 year ago
hellz y thatz rite don get it either ltz of pplz dnt get it bu i do cuz every 1 thinkz itz kl tht im bi but my bi guy friendz itz not rite
gothicjfan 1 year ago
Well, I agree with you. I don't believe in the double standard. I think his performance was disgusting and most straight singers' performances are disgusting. They should make the big deal about the performances of all the straight sexual performances too. I don't think singers need to be (man) whores to put up a good performance. Nonetheless, if they think that will earn them fans, then they have the right to do it, gay or straight, so long as it is later at night.
bookcreator 1 year ago
A warning to all you homophobic males... before you bash Zinna for his views, make damn sure your argument is logical, provides proof, and above all, doesn't blatantly gay bash. One time after another, when people post stupid responses to Zinna videos, Zinna ends up pwning them ruthlessly.
CyberHangman 1 year ago 31
@CyberHangman What the fuck? Females can be homophobic too.
TheAssesKicker 1 month ago
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we dont want your homosexual behsvior shown to our kids on prime time tv,,,news flash- most people think your homosexual love fest in everyones face is disgusting and that goes for the hetero sex being pushed too not just you all,,,understand we dont want our kids told that homosexuality is a thing they need to try (in school my kid was taught this) and I flipped,,,you have pushed yr lifestyle on everyone GOD didnt make us gay ,,,your immoral face facts
candiceevans1 1 year ago
First, no students are being instructed in schools to engage in gay sex, or any sex. This is a myth and a scare tactic promulgated by religious homophobes to stir up animosity against gay people. Second, the presence of gay people, even affection between gay people, is not pushing their "lifestyle" on anyone any more that heterosexuals are pushing their lifestyle on us. Third, there is no god, but if there was, it's obvious that some people are innately gay just as some are innately straight.
ZJemptv 1 year ago 10
@candiceevans1 I'm sick and tired of this heterosexist meme. Don't you even understand that homosexuals must deal with all that "straightness" all up in their face. Hearing their friends talk about girls, and hearing them talk about crushes and all that typical pubescent banter. When they express themselves to any natural extent, they are accused of pushing their views into the faces of thier heterosexual counterparts. hipocracy. My Goddess Diana, loves me gay and views my love as a blessing.
aeondolphin 1 year ago
@candiceevans1 ZJs response was 2 polite. Ur children are more under threat from the far more explicit hetero prime time activity, and if everyone else is being edgy on TV, u cant have a double stndrd that only prevents gays from doing the same. Responding to attacks on their personal lives is not pushing anything on anyone, rather its pushing back(resisting) when someone like you decides to 'push'. No1s rights r violated so its not immoral
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
It's the media. They'll just keep being pussies.
Doodorz 1 year ago
Well, Iike ABC I would have censored that kiss too. But unlike ABC I'm not against gays in any way. I saw the music awards I just think it makes a bad impression because people would think that gays kiss like saint bernards! Adam Lambert should have practiced that before going on stage. If I seen ANYONE kiss like that I would be grossed out! (with the exception of a saint bernard.)
kiwiandahalf 1 year ago
It clearly is a double standard, but it is still their right to censor whatever programs they have the rights to as clevername pointed out.
I can't see how lambert's actions would damage the gay movement. Forget CBS.
new8745fan 1 year ago
that was absolutely brilliant!
Pe@ce!
SnallyTreeHugger 1 year ago
Oh my effing god, i LOVE you.
AdieuxAlisa 1 year ago
You are awesome. Finally someone who tells it like it is! Way to go. Hope many many more people watch this. It needed to be said.
kazatty 1 year ago
fuck yes! i don't think i've ever heard you say fuck... :) but yea very good video!
lainnorcal 1 year ago
Can you show the two men kissing for a few more seconds?
Sorry, it was hot :3
Meegz0 1 year ago
@Meegz0 >.> hot..eh? faggots are gross.
condil1 1 year ago
@condil1
what're you talking about? Gay guys are generally fucking drop-dead gorgeous and shit. Women actually favor them above straight guys.
xXFlockofGriffinsXx 1 year ago
@xXFlockofGriffinsXx How..exactly are they drop dead gorgeous? Srsly..They fuck other dudes up the ass, where shit comes out of, making them gross. What kind of woman would want to be with a man, that has 0 sexual interests in them? And before you say, oh they'll connect with us more emotionally, how long till the woman actually wants to enjoy the lovely act of sex? The VIBE will only last for so long and the guy isn't interested. You can generalize all you want, I'll stick to facts.
condil1 1 year ago
Wow!U know how to tell them*stands up and applauds*
42Globert 1 year ago
Wow!! You articulate that perfectly. I would love to see lame ass Bill O'Rielly try and go up against you.
lindajean139 1 year ago 2
wow!!! you hit the nail on the head there mate!! 5 stars
smdutton 1 year ago
AMEN!!! Thank you for posting this!!!
kuliimjulischreiben 1 year ago 2
BRAVO!!!!!!
smeggingnuts 1 year ago
Yeah, that was a very good one. We should put you on TV ZJ, you'd be great as a talk show host, bringing the issues of the gay community to millions that don't follow Youtube. Sadly I wish there were more gay channels.
Alenmore 1 year ago
SO YOU GAY OR WHAT?
morgiemooshine 1 year ago
love it, love it, love it!!
roniag9 2 years ago
Loved your 'WHAT THE FUCK', admit I wasn't expecting that. Hahahah. 5 stars for sure.
SeppukuDoll 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The media are businesses. They can censor whatever program they have rights to, in whatever way. Although censoring Adam Lambert is clearly double standards, I don't really hold "them" any lesser for it. I also am of the opinion that Lambert's sexuality is damaging towards the gay rights movement, because it displays a popular homosexual man are promiscuous and highly sexualized.
AmazinglyCleverName 2 years ago
Well, the position that displaying a popular homosexual man as promiscuous and highly sexualized should be damaging towards the gay rights movement is itself damaging to the gay rights movement. That's essentially just taking other people's prejudices, orienting ourselves around them, and adopting their prejudice as our own.
ZJemptv 2 years ago 20
highly sexualized? because of a Kiss??? WTF
If that already counts as highly sexualized over there than your country has far more problems with (any kind of)sexuality then I even thought by now.
I mean, really thats not healthy.
DeHerg 2 years ago
@deherg. As I recall, Lambert and another member of his group mimed oral sex. That is sexual.
AmazinglyCleverName 2 years ago
oh ok, I only heard complaints about the Kiss and assumed that this then would be the only thing for some People to complain about(so I stand corrected about that) but I still fail to see the Reason for that strong reaction, musicians mimic sexual practices all the Time(for (one of many)example every Rapper who dances hip on hip with one of the Women in their Videos)
-->so what? No one seem to see a Reason there to draw a connection to their civil rights
DeHerg 2 years ago
I know, right? I'm moving.
ebonyil22 1 year ago
It still is their excuse for bigotry. Misinformation and excuses are the best ways to spread bigotry.
deathsminion25 1 year ago
I feel your anger, babe. ...but I'm so used to it. Same thing happens with black people.
When a black is doing something you think is bad, he's horrible for the entire race. See, that's why people don't like blacks, etc, etc. Same with gays.
When Bush is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and starting a war unconstitutionally, he's not a bad role model for white. He doesn't represent all white people and all white shouldn't be ashamed.
Idiots!
DblOSmith 2 years ago 2
2:37 i jumped xD
jessehardy 2 years ago
i have made a video reaspone! ;)
cumdahellon 2 years ago
i could not agree withu more..... CBS hav no problem ( now ) in airing episodes of AS THE WORLD TURNS ( 'Luke n Noah" kiss) SO what the hell was the big deal about "blurring" out the screen when showing adam kissing another dude in a PERFORMANCE on A STAGE!..... U ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
dibbledot 2 years ago
Pretty lady, I have trouble watching you talk without starting to think naughty thoughts; you're gorgeous, I'm sorry. You're great. And, boy, would I love to date you, if I lived near you. (I'm in NE Tennessee, near Dollywood, so I'm probably like 1,000 miles away from you; inconvenient for romance. Sigh---only in my dreams.)
DAMN, you're pretty!
ChurchOfKali66619 2 years ago
100% with ya on this. I guess CBS was thinking of all the old ladies watching in the morning. I will say however people SHOULD have different expectations for gay people. Expect them to be gay.
picbusket 2 years ago
You scared me when you shouted "what the fuck" :'(
katienoodlex 2 years ago
I dont mind watching any kissing on tv because thats in my house. What I dont care for is kissing and groping when I'm at a public pool I dont care if their gay or straight take that to a private room. People need to keep their affections to themselves.
TheInquisitor2000 2 years ago
lmmfao @ convicted felon over man kissing man hilarious and a damn good point.
TheInquisitor2000 2 years ago 2
I've always found the pandering cowardice of the liberal "movement" tiring. That gay people criticize each other for rocking the boat is just ridiculous. Back when Ellen created a media hurricane by having the guts to come out, Chastity Bono said she was "too gay" while Elton John said "We know you're a lesbian. Shut up! Just be funny." As long as gay society keeps eating at itself form the inside, we're never going to get anywhere.
JayBellBooks 2 years ago
it is and has been pretty obvious that Adam is gay... since it is so obvious i'm guessing people aren't surprised that he kisses guys... but then again, one of my friends saw the footage uncensored and he turned blind! so there we have it, ABC is just trying to protect us!
Manekdk 2 years ago
Hmmm...blood spraying from a person's head good, two men kissing bad. The hypocrisy is simply unbelievable.
tubian323 2 years ago
No you're right on that because humanity is a failed expirement. But what I'm saying is that there is no way for any other types of sexuality to be existent if not for the nature of how we reproduce naturally.
EJSticks 2 years ago
@EJSticks Obviously heterosexuals had to produce to start a race...but homosexuality is perfectly natural, it's even existed among certain species of animal.
You clearly don't understand the definition of a society. As ZJ said, it's a lot more than reproduction. Plus, thanks to technology homosexuals CAN reproduce just as well as heterosexuals if they so desire. I don't see how reproduction is relevant to anything here, though.
Caelstraz 2 years ago
You can complain all you want but heterosexuals started the society that we live in today and there's no other way the human race could've expanded without it.
EJSticks 2 years ago
@EJSticks So, it was just heterosexuals that started society? Then I reckon you can blame them for the failures of it...
chromesthesia 2 years ago
Actually, no. Reproducing is not all it takes to "start a society". It's not as if you can just fuck until you have a bunch of people, and not bother doing anything else, and then BAM! Society! Thanks, heterosexuals!
No. That's like leaving rabbits to breed uncontrolled and then saying they have a "society" now. Society is something that has to be worked at, built and developed by people. Society was created by straight people and gay people.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Straight people have been around WAY before homosexuality began its destructive insurgence. To use your very own sordid homosexualist logic, "gays wouldn't exist without straights".
No, society is not a matter of mere population, but rather of unified communion of people who work toward the interest of building strong societies by way of developing strong family and morality structure.
Homosexuality is one of the main antitheses of such, and you (of all people) know that best, ZJ!
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
FinalJusticeMovement
"Straight people have been around WAY before homosexuality began its destructive insurgence." And you know this as fact how? If both gay and straight people exist in today's "world" then its obvious they existed along side heterosexuals.
Your ignorance over shadows your intelligence.
There's no need to bash homosexuals
mcnuggetssmcnuggetss 2 years ago
"To use your very own sordid homosexualist logic, "gays wouldn't exist without straights"."
That's great and all, but it doesn't make you a better person simply by virtue of being straight.
"Homosexuality is one of the main antitheses of such"
Not really, no. You have no more claim to morality or family or society than we do.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
To say that it doesn't make me a better person simply by virtue of being straight -- ON THE SURFACE of the matter, you are correct.
However, why do you insist on convincing the world that homosexuals are "SO MUCH BETTER" then heterosexuals? That kind of behavior damn sure doesn't give you any good light at all, much less make you look better.
And by the way, NO HETEROSEXUAL has ever contributed to the destruction of society simply on account of their heterosexuality.
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
Pretty sure I'm not destroying your precious society when I sleep with another guy, either. I don't think it's actually possible for that to happen.
ZJemptv 2 years ago 3
See, that's the point, ZJ.
It's not as much what you do IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME that affects society rather than your CONSISTENT IMPOSITION of said practices on the rest of society -- on straight society -- of which the majority still aren't in heavy agreement with.
Bottom line: Homosexuals cannot fundamentally FORCE heterosexuals to practice or accept homosexuality or anything that remotely implies equating it to heterosexuality, and shouldn't insist on it either.
-The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@ FinalJusticeMovement Your linear thinking is flawed life is sexual, neither gay or straight came first both appeared simultaneously. Same with the labels. Plants, Bonobos, and yes even early humans were all omni-sexual. Evolution is not like lines, rather like branches. Societies only seem to prosper with diversity. When diversity is assured everything else can attend to its self. Insistence is unnecessary it is simply the way things are either accept the fact or spend your life offended.
Shadowstar204 2 years ago
Shadowstar,
Homosexuality has nothing to do with equality, cultural diversity, or human evolution. Homosexuality is about social anarchy and the ultimate moral corruption -- not merely about the act itself, but more so about what it teaches -- that men and women should be separated..
How can society prosper when the two very components that make society exist as we know it are programmed to hate and destroy each other, not to mention produce a lost generation of children?
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FinalJusticeMovement
This might be news to you but homosexuals don't want you to be gay unless you want to.
Unlike you who wish to force upon people some arbitrary religious ideals.
Other than your comment is one of the most hateful I've seen so far and is filled with absolute nonsense of course.
founoe 2 years ago
Founoe,
SINCE WHEN have I ever been religious in any comment I have made here.
Religion is YOUR hang-up, probably because you (like ZJ) are SO against God or ANY minute standard of morality, but the issue of homosexuality is FAR beyond religion, and that's why I don''t dwell on the religious aspect.
Why is my comment hateful? How can it be when I'm only exposing the REAL hater -- the homosexual -- who fundamentally hates and encourages hatred of the opposite gender?
Nice try. No dice.
-FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FinalJusticeMovement
Let me quote myself: "Unlike you who wish to force upon people some arbitrary religious ideals."
That homosexuality would be a bad thing is an arbitrary religious idea even if you are religious or not.
"the homosexual -- who fundamentally hates and encourages hatred of the opposite gender?"
*sigh*
So by definition, do you hate men because you're heterosexual?
founoe 2 years ago
Of course not, Founoe.
Loving your fellow brother man is WAY DIFFERENT than lying down with and copulating him into possible internal physical damage for BOTH of you.
Heterosexual men don't HATE men because of their sexuality. They just know what their physiological makeup complements a women.
Heterosexual men who DO hate men (as in hateful of their own selves and unwilling to defend their own gender) are AFRAID of women.
Yours In Truth,
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FinalJusticeMovement
"Loving your fellow brother man is WAY DIFFERENT than lying down with and copulating him into possible internal physical damage for BOTH of you."
I don't know how many things I find wrong with this single sentence, other than the grammar.
Yeah, it is different. What does that have to do with anything?
That internal damage could occur during anal intercourse I can understand, never really heard of it though. But internal damage to the one not getting it I don't get.
founoe 2 years ago
What does it have to do with anything???
Well, you're the one, Founoe, who suggested that I hate my fellow man because he is a man, and you asked a question in that regard, so I answered it.
To clarify further, there is the IMMEDIATE damage that the receiving partner would get, and there's the highly-potential BACTERIAL or VIRAL damage EITHER partner would get.
How could you not hear of it, unless your ears were cut off?
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FinalJusticeMovement
This doesn't apply to male/female sex?
Oh and; you were the one who started talking about loving hand having sex with are two different things. Which I don't see the relevance of.
founoe 2 years ago
I'm actually glad you said that, Fo, because you're absolutely correct.
Love and sex ARE two different things, but they go hand in hand more so in heterosexual relations than homosexual encounters, mainly because homosexuality has NOTHING at all to do with love.
By the way, your attempt to contrast homosexuality to any similar problems with heterosexuals is moot, because even with all applicable similarities intact, heteros are still generally happier than homosexuals are.
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FinalJusticeMovement
"mainly because homosexuality has NOTHING at all to do with love."
I think a lot of homosexuals will disagree with you.
"because even with all applicable similarities intact, heteros are still generally happier than homosexuals are."
Homosexuals aren't happy if they are forced to be heterosexuals.
What's your point really?
founoe 2 years ago
DUMBASS American.
CharmingSage 2 years ago
@FinalJusticeMovement
As for the rest of your comment:
You don't need to tell me that. If you say that homosexuals *hate* the other gender you are also saying heterosexuals hate their own gender. But obviously you don't even believe yourself.
I don't really understand what you mean by that second thing. Are you saying homosexual men don't understand how babies are made or...?
That last part is just nonsense, what actual fact is that based on other than your own thoughts?
founoe 2 years ago
@ FinalJusticeMovement
If you take the act itself out of the equation then use what it teaches than you must admit that since no one is the same what is taught will always be subject to individual opinion. It is YOUR programming to hate and destroy, as it is homosexuals programming to be gay. I recommend you look into the research of Simon LeVay specifically the INAH3 cell in the brain that may support the gay gene theory. How do you account for biological hermaphrodites and drones?
Shadowstar204 2 years ago
Shadow, you're confusing HUMAN INTERACTION (compounded with free will) with SEXUALITY, which (although inter-related) are two completely different things.
Just because two human beings have the ability to slap each other silly doesn't make it beneficial to each other's well-being (which, of course, it isn't).
Humans possess the sense of smell, taste, touch, and so they have the ABILITY to kiss ANYONE. But that doesn't render homosexuality natural, and you KNOW it (even with your degree).
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FJM That is an argument? Inter-related = completely different? Ability doesnt = naturalness? Are you saying abilities are unnatural? Have you been paying any attention? I asked for EVIDENCE to back up your claims. Where are the facts? If that is the best you can offer, Ill win this argument. Allow me give FURTHER evidence to back up mine. Primates like bonobos, rhesus macaques, and rhesus monkeys all show homosexual behavior and could care less about human interaction it is natural.
Shadowstar204 2 years ago
The evidence is right in front of your eyes if you use them enough, Shadow. Besides, where are YOUR facts?
I already hinted at monkeys in one of my posts in case you didn't catch it, because WE ALL KNOW how famous they are homosexual play. And yes, you're right -- they DON'T care about human interaction when it comes to this because THEY'RE NOT HUMANS!
I'll make myself clear -- When animals INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER, they STILL manage to mate with the opposite sex (EVEN if they mount!)
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@ FinalJusticeMovement
Also what is your explanation for the teachings of cattle, pigs, rabbits, and dogs who mount anything during heat? What about 200000 other species of birds, reptiles, even fish and insects. They have no society to speak of. Exactly what are they teaching, do you see how your argument is breaking down? Lets continue.
Shadowstar204 2 years ago
Ah... the animal argument again.
One thing I find VERY interesting is that animals don't possess most of the kind of logic that humans do, but they ALWAYS MANAGE to continue the traditional male/female mating ritual (whether or not they DO ("mount").
If homosexuality was natural according to your logic, this would mean that ALL animals would engage in such practice, and there would be otherwise no human OR animal life today.
Just because you SEE the monkey,
do you have to BE the monkey?
-FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FJM Natural doesnt = universal. Again DIVERSITY IS NATURE. If humans are so superior as you claim, would we not see MORE diversity in human behavior? Apparently we do. The Nuclear family is only about 70 years old historically, which brings me back to the Greeks. The reason history is important is to gain a broad perspective on humanity, which you seem to lack, modern Western thought began with the Greeks and so did our abstract concepts, which also change randomly. Come on, be a challenge.
Shadowstar204 2 years ago
You're going to have to do better than that, Shadow.
How did modern society begin with the
Greeks, when the Egyptians TAUGHT the Greeks virtually everything they knew about merely laying a foundation? The Washington Monument itself is an obelisk, an architecture created by the EGYPTIANS!
However, the Greeks WERE indeed the greatest influence on modern homosexuality and pornography. The term "lesbian" itself was adopted from the people of Lesbos as a disassociation from "gay" men.
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FJM
Fact -Greek culture was already established before contact with the Egyptians, the Phoenicians and Persons were more of an influence on early Greece than Egypt. Minoan Culture on Crete lasted 3000-1400 BC peaking around 1600 The Egyptians were fighting the Hittites and Syrians at this time thus they could not have helped set any foundation. - History The Definitive Visual Guide DK Publishing.
Shadowstar204 2 years ago 2
@FJ Fact - The 16th century Spanish were outraged by the widespread homosexuality and transvestism they found in the Americas. -Letters from Mexico, Hernan Cortes Yale University Press.
Fact - Cave art from Mongolia depicts homosexual imagery, published by Russian rock researcher Nora Novgorodova.
Fact -According to Herodotus first contact between the cultures happened around 570-526 BC during the reign of Ahmose II - The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt by Ian Shaw.
Shadowstar204 2 years ago
@FJ Fact -The ideas of political theory, philosophy, theatre, reason & logic come from Athens. Military drills, formations, tactics etc from Sparta- Europe A History, Norman Davies.
The Washington obelisk is the ONLY Egyptian architecture in DC, House of Congress, White House, etc is rooted in Greek. They would be much more grandiose if Egyptian. Physiological makeup? Oh you mean like the INAH3 cell in the brain that may support the gay gene theory, or biological hermaphrodites?
Shadowstar204 2 years ago
Also, Shadow, it doesn't matter whether or not animals do it. Homosexuality is still not physically natural for animals OR humans, and this proven by their respective physiological makeup.
The anus cannot naturally lubricate as a vagina does. This is FACT!
The penis and vagina are designed to easily contour to each other.
Ergo, homosexuals would and do have to ALTER their methods and physical positioning accordingly to COPY the full-on, NATURAL heterosexual ritual.
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FJ Mabie this could help you -Argumentation 101 = basic structure of an individual argument consists of a claim, evidence for it, an inference linking the evidence to the claim, and a warrant justifying that inference. Yes! A fact from you at last! You are correct the anus cannot naturally lubricate. But how does that statement infer the link that it isnt a natural occurrence? And that it seems not to deter any activity whatsoever?
Shadowstar204 2 years ago
@FJ How can you say it is not natural when most of nature does it without giving a damn? If it is not coming from nature then exactly where does it come from another dimension? I have given you several examples not hinted at but I guess you have missed them, just read my early responses to you. For the record wear a black or gray handkerchief from now on, you are obviously a masochist, because Im tearing you apart and you just keep coming back for more.
Shadowstar204 2 years ago 2
@ FinalJusticeMovement
In ancient Greece bi-sexuality was the dominant social teaching, one might suggest that anarchy, corruption, and family are only abstract concepts that change randomly throughout time. I think it is fair to warn you at this point I possess several college degrees. I have plenty of evidence to support my claims. You would do well to begin presenting evidence to counter my argument, rather than your deluded angry hand-waving opinions. Homosexuality/All sexuality is natural.
Shadowstar204 2 years ago
Indeed, Shadow, it was more so HOMOSEXUALITY rather than bisexuality (and overall loose sexual behavior) that was the dominant social teaching in ancient Greece, which, in fact, explains why anarchy and corruption have NOT changed but rather evolved. Family, on the other hand, has DEvolved up to this point in time, and it is highly reflective upon the aforementioned "abstract concepts".
But the real question is what the hell does ancient Greece have to do with YOU or I as individuals?
--FJ
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
Let's uh.. destroy some societies together ;)
electronicoffee 2 years ago
oh hey, i just realized that i might've posted the same comment over fifty times, whoops!
xXFlockofGriffinsXx 1 year ago
@FinalJusticeMovement
Actually, people haven't been around for very long at all, a few 100 000 years. Homosexuality has been around for millions of years.
founoe 2 years ago
Oh, no, Founoe!
Homosexuality was NEVER around BEFORE heterosexuality EVEN from millions of years ago, and I will NOT allow you to think you can convince me OR anyone else with that kind of monkey cheese.
Yours In Truth,
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 2 years ago
@FinalJusticeMovement
"Straight people have been around WAY before homosexuality began its destructive insurgence."
What were we talking about now again?
founoe 2 years ago
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founoe 2 years ago
@FinalJusticeMovement
Youtube keeps rejecting my comment.
founoe 2 years ago
"God knows we put up with your shit."
Jesus, does he ever.
TheMetallicSharpie 2 years ago
I can't help it---I find ZJ totally CUTE!
I'm a perv, sue me.
ChurchOfKali66619 2 years ago
i don't think it was the kissing at all. i think it was the crotch thing. but he came out on top, so it's all good. adam rocks!
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
If it wasn't the kiss, why did they choose to censor it? :)
Honestly, it was both. And honestly, ZJ's argument still holds ground. Adam does indeed rock :)
Caelstraz 2 years ago
the crotch thing, duh.
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
They censored the kiss....
Caelstraz 2 years ago
they didn't sensor the crotch head thing? the kiss ain't abig deal, he wouldn't have been kicked off abc for that, it was the crotch thing and the whips chains and stuff in combo, plus the other crotch thing with the girl. had he just kissed a guy, abc would not have kept him off the show i don't think. they would have talked to his handlers prolly.
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
@NotTooObvious They censored both, which is what got people upset. The simulated blowjob is understandable but censoring the kiss is plain ridiculous
Caelstraz 2 years ago
they didn't know what to do, it was a boy. they'll get used to it. but if all he did was kiss a boy, abc wouldn't have cancelled him.
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
The cancellation is irrelevent to the fact that they censored him kissing a guy. You're missing the boat.
Caelstraz 2 years ago
no, you are missing the boat. i was talking to someone else, so you are trying to argue apples and oranges with me and that is why it seems to make no sense to you. when you jump in in the middle of a conversation, that can happen.
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
Here's a question, Who gives a fuck? People need to get over the media, there are more important things in life than what is censored on TV. Try reading a fucking book
meloveanna 2 years ago
did you just tell zjemptv to try reading a book?
you're retarded and obviously haven't watched anything she's put up other than this, if you even watched the entire video. It's about censorship on the basis of something as trivial as sexuality, idiot, not about popular media.
rickandkile 2 years ago
She? I'm sorry, but that is a man baby! I'm sure with a visual exam, and a genetic test, the results would be absolute.
There are thousands of double standards in society. I could spend all day going on about them, but it won't change anything will it. Spending your time doing something useful instead of bitching and whining makes all the sense in the world to me. If every gay person on Earth protested this censorship, it wouldn't change anything. It's a lost cause.
meloveanna 2 years ago
Um, I'd have to be stupid to not know this was a man. Obviously 'he' identifies with himself as a 'she,' so in order to respect her, I refer to her in a feminine way... duh.
And also, if you really believe that and think that "bitching and whining" about things that won't change is a waste of time, then why comment on the video at all? There's no point in complaining about people who comment on social issues on Youtube because they'll always be here- you're wasting *your* time. Hypocrite.
rickandkile 2 years ago
There is a far greater chance of change when speaking one-on-one with someone. ZJs video isn't directed to any one person in particular, my comment was.
meloveanna 2 years ago
A: Because there are thousands of double standards in our society, we shouldn't care? I guess the women's rights movement was a waste of time too, after all, when it first started the vast majority of males in the country were against it. Since when do we stop fighting for what we believe in? Just because there is some opposition, it must be a lost cause? Last I checked this is America we were talking about.
B: FYI - Books are a form of media. In fact, book censorship is very common (cont)
Caelstraz 2 years ago
(cont) to this day. Ever heard of banned books? Media censorship is an important issue, reguarless of the medium. Is internet censorship irrelevent too? In this day and age literary merit isn't limited to the printed word.
She created this video to express how she felt, and considering it has recieved almost 11,000 views I would say that her contribution is indeed important, reguardless as to whether or not you personally agree with her opinion.
Caelstraz 2 years ago
i agree :)
kitschbear 2 years ago
good video, and I wholeheartedly agree with you here.
Fishermage 2 years ago
If a man suck his dick in a womans mouth on television would it cause concern?
Nice try kid. Moral equivalence is a poor defense and not allowed in a courtroom.
Truthpolice9698 2 years ago
Pink rubbed a guy's face into her crotch in 2004, on network television during a music awards show. And... no. It did not cause any concern, actually.
Is that "morally equivalent" enough for you?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Moral equivalence is a bad argument and usually means your argument has no merit so you try to confuse the issue by making comparisons to other equally bad behavior.
Doesn't fly in the courtroom. "Hey judge I was going 75 but the guy next to me was going 77".
Who cares? Your still guilty.
Adam Lambert was a asshole plain and simple and it cost him. National television is not the local gay bar and if the guy is to stupid to see that oh well.
Truthpolice9698 2 years ago
"Two wrongs don't make a right."
Pointing out that scrutiny has been applied inconsistently -- in some cases, not at all -- does indeed indicate that perhaps it isn't merited. At the very least, the inconsistent reaction shows that explicitness actually is not a factor here. Why the differing reaction -- what was different here? Well, most obviously, it was man/man vs. man/woman.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Maybe so but Lambert should not have put himself in that position. He was inconsiderate of his audience. Maybe it's right or wrong but people have a right to watch a national television show without watching a guy pretend to suck another guys dick.
He's a entertainer and if he doesn't respect his audience or his employer and allows personal desires to rule his life then he should be prepared for the consequences.
Guys sucking guys dicks grosses people out. So does other forms of pda.
Truthpolice9698 2 years ago
wow, i didn't know that. interesting!
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
No, no, you've got it all wrong. The reason why they censored Adam's kiss and not Britney and Madonna's kiss is because Britney and Madonna aren't actually lesbian. The media only censors REAL gay stuff.
(Yes, I'm being facetious)
I'm so glad that another person in today's pop culture is willing to be unapologetically open about being gay, not like MIKA and Anderson Cooper who think that coming out completely might hurt their ratings.
averagehomosapien 2 years ago
ur fucking weird and why the fuck do u even care about this whats the purpose
ExtraCrispi19 2 years ago
Are you a boy or a girl? hahaha
ExtraCrispi19 2 years ago
I saw the pics of the guys sucking each others faces off and all i can say is DANG!!! In a good way. Wooow.
TheOfficialKellyDarr 2 years ago
Adam Lambert is a FAG! and so are you
JDSigman1990 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but while I agree legal suits concerning this are just stupid, the act itself is just something I don't wanna see. Lambert can do anything he wants at a live concert, where people who come to see him know what to expect. But a live T.V. show? Same goes for the Britney/Madonna kiss, and I'm no different than other straight males, two women kissing is a turn on. But, IMHO, prime time T.V. isn't the place for it.
40milesband 2 years ago
I agree with you here. They are more concerned for their reputation on showing such content, opposed to any "legal action". They are afraid they will lose ratings, they do not care about morality. I have several friends whom are homosexual or lesbian, they're all cool as hell and very good people. Good thing is, statistically, gay rights supporters are increasing. As well as tolerance towards the subject. Live and let live.
FatalScab 2 years ago
I'm always amazed how love is more feared than violence on TV.
OccamsView 2 years ago
I wonder how you define "love?"
TirianCreed 2 years ago
I hate to say it, but shoving your tongue down a fellow band-member's throat is not necessarily "love". Often, a kiss like that is just "lust". And that's fine, too! But let's not mince words here.