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  • Hi,

    I'm Muslim as well and I disagree with what was done in Sudan. Too many things are politically charged these days, it's clouding people's thinking. The government just wanted this to distract people from other problems in the country. The current wars have created too much hate in the world and it's really polarizing people. Do you think that people make inciting works against Islam for publicity? I'm glad to see that you're open minded. Peace.

  • Religious fanaticism....

  • You keep calling people "fanatics, or extremists"

    Here's a hint:

    The muslims and christians you know and like, don't really follow their holy books entirely, if they did we'd be in a world of shit.

    The problem is, there are some people that DO live by what the texts say, and the texts happen to have very toxic elments in them, all of them. So as long as we're not intellectually honest, and start judging religions by their holy texts we're gonna keep seeing this indefinitly.

  • im a muslim and i also cant believe how they could jail that teacher. people like al qaida and other fanatics are giving muslims such a bad name and it pisses me off.

  • No one here takes the monarchy seriously and the blasphomy laws are ignored for themopst part and haven't been taken seriously by a judge for decades. Look into things before spouting such nonescense.

  • Yes, the moron does have a point though.

    Basicly, how can we critisize them when we can't completley clean up our own act?

    As long as we have religious apologetics for any religion, we're really playing a dangerous game.

    We have to make it official:

    All religious texts are considered busllshit by the goverment, and we'll act accordingly for people that do deeds in the name of it.

    ANY religion.

  • It seems quite complicated to understand why she was seen as an offender to Islam from our European/US point of view, we do not have the same standards. I don't agree with the 'extreme' sentence, but for many people who live there, it's 'normal' because it's the law (again, which definition for 'normal'?). It's forbidden to depict the Prophet, you may make a reference to him through green (generally His color)...

  • ...The discussion about it among Muslims in France has two sides: those saying it goes too far and those saying that's the law and that you CANNOT choose what you want in Islam, you have to take it entirely, and this includes the Gibbons case, or another case: a girl was raped by several men, guilty party was also convicted but SHE was convicted because she was alone in a car with a man (forbidden). Again, I can't understand how wide the gap between our standards is.

  • This teacher seems to be a very smart person.She was released and apologized if she caused any distress.WE,who live in the called,FIRST WORLD,think that this punishments are ridiculous.Our culture is in a different stage of evolution.We MUST respect other countries beliefs and let them evolve.I know it's dissapointing to see, back in our world history how we make the same mistakes over and over.There are unfair aspects in every culture,Nickas.We as gay men in our culture know that.

  • I agree with you and thank goodness she is now safely back in the UK. I'm also glad to see your back to your old self after that Mood Swings video.

  • I think the problem was that she 'lead' them to name it mohammed, it wasn't their own unanimous choice. Seeing as how any religion is pretty protective of its mores and ideals, naming a 'Western' toy like a teddy bear after an Islamic prophet would be a slap in the face to some-though I think jail time is a little extreme.

  • wow...you sound kinda cranky... anywho...once you give up trying to decide for yourself whats right and just let god make all your decisions for you everything will be better... (...im kidding of course)

  • That teacher has been indulted finally

  • Organized religion exists to promote their own agendas.I looked into Buddhism but in general they do not accept homosexuality.Buddism in America is more accepting of it. Religous views are based on interpretations by men who believe they speak in the name of their God. The situation in Sudan has to do with religion and politics. The real punishment is to the children who are be deprived of a teacher.

  • well no that is norwegian arroganse that said they had mistaken the norwegian flag as the danish flag.. they ment to take the norwegian ambassy or how it is written..

    norwegians are arrogant and naive.. well a lot of them i am norwegian to but not like that..

  • But the point I am trying to make here is that as a few dirty fishes spoil the entire pond there are few extremists and fanatics, as you pointed out, who in the name of 'love for their religion' are doing nothing but spoiling it!!!

    I came across another video/article which was really disturbing (a zillion times more then the current issue) and even till this day it gives me shudders. (contd...)

  • Such kind of instances happen a lot but sometimes they do go unheard because the local authorities supress such issues. Here a foreign national was involved so I guess it was on the world news.

    I am certainly not against Islam and I dont say that most of the people who follow this religion are extremists as I have many friends who are muslims and they are the sweetest and the most trustable people I have ever come across...(contd)

  • Other countries have the right to do whatever they wish to do as long as they don't infringe on the rights of other countries. She shouldn't work in Sudan if she doesn't want to follow the rules of the country.

  • That's an incredibly short sighted opinion. What if a person is so poor that they cannot leave the country, yet they live in a brutal, oppressive regime? Are you saying that governments have the right to oppress their citizens? What if all governments in the world were like that in Sudan? Would it be fair to hold a woman for 15 days for naming a teddy bear? If something is wrong, it's wrong, no matter who the government is or what area of the globe they claim.

  • That is what revolts and coups are for. If the people dislike the way their leaders lead them, get new leaders. The majority is always truly the leader in any country. They just need to organize and overthrow the oppressors. If they won't do that, they have no right to complain.

  • What if one person terribly wants to be free, and attempts to revolt, but has no support from others in her country? Does the state have a right to suppress (and possibly execute) her just because the "majority" wouldn't help her throw off the shackles of a tyrannical government? Are you saying that because she's not strong enough, she doesn't have a right to freedom?

  • I agree with you in the sense that there are alot of people opressed and too poor to help themselves out of a bad situation/country...but what I think what wpem was saying was that if you travel to another country you have to be willing to respect their laws, as crazy and insane as they may be, otherwise don't be surprised when you put in jail for something you have as a right back home but not in this new country. It's not right, but sadly it was her choice to go there.

  • Well I agree that she should have been more careful and should have known her Islamic law better, but it's still wrong to imprison someone for naming a bear, no matter where you are. Regardless of where you are and who the government is, whether you were born under it or not, a bad law is a bad law and you're not obligated to respect it.

  • you may think its wrong, and I may think its wrong, and most of the free world may think its wrong, that still doesn't negate the fact she violated another countries law and crazy as it is. I'm not trying to defend their laws I'm just saying if we want people to respect our laws when they come to our countries why shouldn't those countries expect us to respect their laws when we go to theirs, despite how fucked up they may be.

  • Its their country to make the laws in just as we make our laws here. I think its crazy that I can only drive 15mph in certain neighbors where I live but I still have to respect that law. & who are we to impose what we think onto another country like that even if we think our way is right and theirs is wrong? Imperialism ended over a 100 years ago. Look at what US Imperialist attitudes have done to places like Iraq and Afgan. We've brought more chaos to them.

  • totatly agree

  • You are not alone in your opinion . . I am equally frustrated with the willful ignorance of the regligious . . its maddening.

  • There are other criminals that really deserve to be in jail !! ....that is so stupid....she was helping there.... how can i not be racist if they do shit like this to innocent people

  • you should watch zeitgeist..its a pretty interesting film...your opinion would be much appreciated

  • it's not the religion it is the mindset/fanaticism and it is fearful for me rather then ridiculous.

    you can not discuss with such ppl. this is the real problem.

  • Nick- I really missed you but and glad that you are getting things in order and that Chris is doing well. I agree w/ your video completely. All these kind of issues are very important. One thing I remember that really pissed me off as well was the two Iranian teens that were hung for being homosexual. Take care.

  • I agree. It's nice to see a new video from you. ^_^

  • extremism=pathological, psychotic behavior and is sadly destroying the world we live in

  • holler! i totally agree with everything about the religions

    when I first heard about Gillian Gibbons I thought that it was a joke! It is INSANE!!!

    ...side note i do indeed wear a 7.5 in ring size.

    much love,

    ~josh!

  • Religion didn't start the earth (despite the claims) - but it'll probably end it.

  • I agree....

  • Best Comment, simple and sadly probably the most accurate!

  • I understand your frustration. Unfortunately, I think religious fanaticism goes with the human condition - it has been around since the dawning of time, and had been at root of some (or maybe even most) of the more heinous acts of violence against other humans. Sad how something so cherished by some can be the cause of so much pain and suffering for others.

  • I better change the name of my Teddy Bear then, oh, and also and my toaster.

    These guys in Sudan aren't helping their cause at all, this just goes to show that if you go around looking for things to be offended at you will never be disappointed.

    Happy Holidays all, oops, I better change that to Merry Christmas or they will get on me.

    Thanks nickas.

  • i feel so sorry for poor gillian gibbons, she was only helping a class of 7 year olds but gets treated like this.. its a disgrace, all aid to sudan should be stopped indefinitly. hope gillian is freed soon and reunited with her family. her son said gillian doesnt want people to have any hard feeligns towards muslims even after what they've done to her. its kind of 10 years to late millions of people hate muslims as they are terrorists and after they did 7/7 ans 9/11

  • gunnersbabe - thinking that all Muslims are terrorists is just as absurd as thinking that naming a teddybear Mohammed should be punished by imprisonment and death.

  • people who are overly religious have a tendency to be easily offended and go overboard with their reactions even when their own religion teaches them not to do this. how insane!

  • Of course I agree with you, and I think our reaction is the one that is shared overwhelmingly by people with good sense around the world, but you know what I'd like to see? I'd like to see the same level of indignation and, frankly, embarrassment from the moderate, *NORMAL* Muslims we all know exist and who must understand how incidents like this are sullying their religion. WHERE ARE THEY?

  • Good point. There's a possibility that the media just doesn't focus on outraged, moderate Muslims so we don't get to hear from them. But I've always thought that moderate Muslims are often conspicuously silent when it comes to speaking out about these sorts of things: Gillian Gibbons, Danish cartoons, Theo van Gogh, etc., etc.

  • erm dkatzim...one of them, Lord Ali's gone to Sudan to sort it out. I think he is a "moderate, *NORMAL* Muslim" :-)

  • Read, "Prophet Of Doom" by Craig Winn. Then you will understand.

  • This religious fanaticism going on now in the Muslim religion and Christianity (ie Westboro Baptists) is disgusting. As a science teacher in the Bible Belt, I can tell you that I live under the constant threat of me getting in trouble for saying something innocent that somebody somehow takes offense with, typically some intolerant parent being relayed a message misconstrued by their kid.

  • While I'm not facing 40 lashes, I am facing the loss of my career everytime I open my mouth on sensitive subjects. The intolerance society has for free expression is destroying the education system and driving good people from the teaching profession. And it's not just religious matters; I was actually called racist once by a kid in class for using the phrase "that's the pot calling the kettle black." :-/

  • Every single day I have to walk on eggshells so as to not offend, bending over backwards to placate the narrowminded and ignorant. Subjects like evolution are so watered down, there's little use in even getting into them.

  • A Shari'a court in northern Nigeria has handed down a death by stoning sentence for a man admitting to have engaged in homosexual acts. The middle-aged man has been on death row for several months, awaiting his execution. A human rights spokesman of the UN today urged Nigerian courts to give the man a milder sentence.

    Sorry Nickas, but there are bigger issues to be bothered by.

  • Pedigru - these things happen in a lot of places all over the world. I don't think the suffering of one person is ever more or less important than the suffering of another -- none of it is acceptable.

  • FREE GIBBONS NOW!

  • I feel SO sorry for her, I had to research it for a report for local radio and its awful. The prison looks awful though, they had an ex prisoner talking about it O.o I hope the british muslim leader gets her sentence shortened.

  • treating them as adults giving them responsibility to name a teddy which to a 7 year old is a big thing she goes through this its disgusting and thanx 4 speaking out..roots

  • nickasarbata i like you man i agree totally this is bang out of order whats happening she is helping those children giving them the same standadrd of education as we get in u.s and u.k where we take the teddy then write down what we did we went shopping with the teddy and so on and for doing that for letting 7 year olds have they say let them use there own mind

  • These bastards talk about 'Inciting Hatred', yet it's OK for them to rally in Central London, burn the UK flag and chant messages of extreme aversion and hostility.. IN OUR COUNTRY!? Gosh, I wonder what would happed if a group of Brits Rallied in Khartoum burning the Sudanese flag and calling for all Muslims to die? FUCKING HYPOCRITES!

  • This also Disgusts me! I find it incredibly INSANE that anyone with any logic can say and do what these people are saying and doing!! I believe myself to be pretty tolerable to other religions but this... this just drives me crazy. It's a NAME. A WORD. I dont know..

  • This type of shit shouldnt be happening to ANYONE. Freedom of opinion should be for everyone, as long as it doesent hurt anyone and if these children naming this bear is hurting these people, then they arnt as religiously devout as they seem, in my eyes at least. A name-a word shouldnt be able to tarnish respect people have for their 'saviour'.

    -My opinion in a rant. ps NICKAS! Im glad you did another video, you should MAKE Nick do one whenever he isnt extremely busy :)-Dave

  • I MEANT CHRIS

    and Im not crazy or anything, I just wrote too much and didnt want to edit.. lol.

  • Very good video. Unfortunately certain people in the world are still abiding by rules laid out in 1200AD etc...

  • It's good to see you, Nick! I haven't had YouTube for a while now. And let me say again that it was great talking with you a couple nights ago! I wonder about this teacher though, what if the situation was reversed? What if the kids voted the name Mohammad and the teacher refused that name? That, I think, would be worse, except still nothing to go to jail and get deported over... Messed up people in the world, haha!

    ~Estiv

  • Hi Nick,

    This is what happens when people leave their brains at the door when it comes to religion. Clearly there was no intent to insult religion. The same thing happened here with the comediene Kathy Griffin when she accepted an Emmy and said Jesus wasn't responsible for her winning. Get a life people and grow up.

    Carlos

  • These absurd events ocurring in third world countries make us feel comfortable that we reside here in America. Unfortunately, even here, the land of the free, we have radical religious sects picketing funerals of AIDS victims and soldiers killed in action overseas. This teacher should/will write a book and expose the school systems in the east.

  • ....I personally think what happened to her is utterly stupid, but its ignorant of anyone to go to another country and not think they may or may not have to change their behaviors depending on the culture they are in, even if their rules are beyond crazy.

    As for the Danish cartoons, thats insane what those fanatics were doing about that. It's the opposite of what I just said above. They're trying to impose their beliefs on another country, and thats wrong.

  • I completely understand and agree with your frustrations on this. But unfortunately and sadly not everywhere does have freedom of religion, speech, press, etc. She made a mistake and her punishment is completely obsurd, but for anyone traveling to another country you have to understand not everywhere has the same wonderful freedoms as the US and many European countries. And that sadly is the crazy risk we all take....

  • If you want to experience a religious divide in America, come to Utah in November-U of Utah vs. BYU. A football game that is also known as the 'Holy War' or during the legislative season in January. Utah has the Mormons vs the non-mormons divide.  At least we don't come down to 40 lashes

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