Also, I think it's weird that he said that the fact that a bomber's turret can rotate gives it an advantage over fighters. Bombers at that time had rotating turrets, the B-17 had something like seven flexible turrets, but they were clearly insufficient to defeat fighters without escorts.
I was wondering how he would disprove the island-by-island method of attack, since that was the one that actually ended up working. He was still partially right, as long-range, land-based airpower was what actually struck the death blow, but he overestimated exactly how well the Japanese could defend their island bases when their naval and air support was compromised by US carriers. In the end, it was really air power that won the war, but huge amounts of life was still lost in ground battles
Lol that plane would be a major failure a plane to carry all those weapons? So what bombs will it carry, or the armour will possess, that blind spot right below its front would kill it, Or just shoot it's flight surfaces and she's a goner
@Raveninety9 You are thinking of attacking bombers in a traditional view such as the 17, 24, 25. The B-36 was designed to fly at very high altitudes above flak and fighter attacks. Whatever planes the Japanese would have managed to reach the B-36 force without stalling out would have been easy tagets for the 36`s guns as figher planes of that era couldnt manuver very well at that altitude asuming first the pilot didnt black out going that high in an upressurised plane
Defeating Japan for real: US asked USSR for Siberian bases and was refused. Then they tried bombing from China and found the supply problem insolvable. Then they built 100s of carriers and destroyed the Jap. Navy, but found they needed refueling bases near Japan. Then they did the island hopping with heavy casualties. Finaly the A-bomb, won them the war. Only then did they, on Seversky's advice, build the B-36. "Americans always do the right thing... after they try everything else" W Churchill
@VersusARCH. The B-36 was in development throughout the war. As the war`s progress changed, so did the emphasis on the 36. When development of the B-29 & B-32 was hitting snags, The B-19/36 project was given more resources. Luckily things changed on the ground, and the B-36 projectt was returned to the back burner in supply & resouce allocation. Also, the project was moved from San Diego to Ft Worth which further delayed things. Unlike all other planes in `45, the B-36 didnt have its funding cut
During the first 45 seconds. Why now use B-25 Mitchells? During the Doolittle Raid, they proved that bombers are capable of taking off from carriers while carring a a bombload of 2000 lbs.. With enough fuel, distance from Tokyo, and bombers and carriers, they could have bombed Tokyo (and Japan) out of the water!!
@PanAmPatrick I also wonder why they didn't mention the Doolittle Raid itself. It was a damn sucess (partly). With 2000 lbs. over 100 carriers, that's 200,000 lbs. of TNT AND multiply that by 16 (the no. of Mitchells used in the Raid), you have a grand total of a little over 3 million lbs. that would have ended the war a little earlier in the Pacific.
The Doolittle Raid had happened a few months prior to the film's release and one month prior to the book. However the film's decree that long range bomber alone could win the war was debunked soon after when the Luftwaffe destroyed 60 B-17 in the raids on Schwenfurt and Regensburg. Seversky's theories became even more implausible when the Luftwaffe began fielding the ME-262 jet fighters and ME-163 Rocket Powered Intercepters
@snakes3425 Other than the ME-262, the Germans didnt have an aircraft that would reach the B-36 & still able to engage it, Nor did they have the anti aircraft batteries that could fire at that altitude had it ever come to that. The B-17 like the Sherman tanks were what they were... equipment designed to fight the enemy toe-to-tow, but were designed to be mass produced in faster replacement quantities than the Germans could replace their losses
There was an achilies heel to many of the German "Super Weapons" like the 262, Tiger I and Tiger IIs was that they were gas guzzlers and Germany lacked the fuel and resources to mass produce and deploy them in large numbers and in the case of the Me262 Hitler was obessed with the idea of turining it into a bomber, when it was designed to be a fighter-intercepter
@snakes3425 Yes, The Germans could defend their own airspace because the Allies' heavy bombers weren't capable of flying in the stratosphere and were too slow(over 400 mph needed to out run current fighters). They were able to strike down any bomber raids in 1939-1943 before the ME-262 in '44. But they couldn't completely stop them because of lack of replacement trained aircrew due attrition. The Allies needed more long range escort fighters and new accurate bomb delivery systems.
Oddly enough, one of the stars of this film, Alexander Seversky of Republic Aviation (makers of the P-47 Thunderbolt fighter), never made a bomber, although this film advocates building a massive bomber force.
Judging by the date of this video, the attack on Tokyo had not yet happened. Global Reach, Global Power is the mantra of the USAF. Tankers help fighters and bombers achieve this. The converted B-29's proved the point. Here they were showing what having this power could,in theory,do.
Actually the film was released on July 17 1943 the Doolittle Raid happened a few months prior to the release and one month prior to Seversky releasing his book in 1942.
Irony is exactally one month after Victory through Air Power came out Seversky's belief that Land baised Bombers alone could win the war was shattered when 60 B-17s were shot down by the Luftwaffe during the attacks on Schweinfurt and Regensburg
I understand that this film did not explain everything. Although you need to understand that that was not the intention Walt had in mind prior to making this film.
The other funny thing is that Land-Sea-Air Team is how the war was won. The Army and Marines cleared strategically important islands but didn't drive the Japanese from every island, the Navy devistated Japan's Merchant Fleet and the Imperial Navy's surface and submarine fleets, severing the supply lines themselves, and Army, Navy, and Marine Corps Aviation knocked out the Imperial Air Force's regular units and hit Japan itself, once the B-29 went into service.
@snakes3425 Yep. After the Battle of Midway. The Jap's under armored Zeros and Betties prove no match for strong (albeit less agility) American Hellcats and Flying Fortresses (and Superfortresses). After the Battle of the Philippine Sea (the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot) the effectly cut Japan's island supply lines and ended the Imperial Japanese Navy as a threat (sealing the fate of the Japs). The atomic bombing over Nakasaki and Hiroshima was the final nail in the coffin of the Pacific Theatre
What tore the heart out of the Japanese at Midway was the loss of Veteran Air Crews. The carriers and planes were easily replaced but you couldn't replace those combat veterans and aces and Japan's policy was you stay on the front line until the war is over or you die, they never rotated crews after a specified period to allow them to train recruits by the time of the Philippine Sea, the pilots were lucky to get airborne let alone fight against veteran US Pilots and ship crews
@AbelMcTalisker Actually, the prototype XB-36 didnt fly until 1946, and production of the B-36A didnt begin in full capacity until late 1947. The 36 could have been operational much sooner had the course of events in `42-`44 gone worse. It was the coming cold war with the Soviet Union that gave the project its lifeblood, and unlike most other prop driven craft in 1945-46 that got cut back - if not cancelled and the planes scrapped, the B-36 remained fully funded following the war
Lets whip those Japs!
nsengstad 1 month ago
Also, I think it's weird that he said that the fact that a bomber's turret can rotate gives it an advantage over fighters. Bombers at that time had rotating turrets, the B-17 had something like seven flexible turrets, but they were clearly insufficient to defeat fighters without escorts.
mongorians22 3 months ago
I was wondering how he would disprove the island-by-island method of attack, since that was the one that actually ended up working. He was still partially right, as long-range, land-based airpower was what actually struck the death blow, but he overestimated exactly how well the Japanese could defend their island bases when their naval and air support was compromised by US carriers. In the end, it was really air power that won the war, but huge amounts of life was still lost in ground battles
mongorians22 3 months ago
i wondered what would have happened if the turrets were automatic and radar guided?
gunmaniac25 4 months ago
Lol that plane would be a major failure a plane to carry all those weapons? So what bombs will it carry, or the armour will possess, that blind spot right below its front would kill it, Or just shoot it's flight surfaces and she's a goner
Raveninety9 4 months ago
@Raveninety9 You are thinking of attacking bombers in a traditional view such as the 17, 24, 25. The B-36 was designed to fly at very high altitudes above flak and fighter attacks. Whatever planes the Japanese would have managed to reach the B-36 force without stalling out would have been easy tagets for the 36`s guns as figher planes of that era couldnt manuver very well at that altitude asuming first the pilot didnt black out going that high in an upressurised plane
album183 4 months ago
it will take thousands of planes....or two really strong bombs...
Rockbagaren 4 months ago
Has anyone ever seen Grave of the Fireflies?
AJ627 6 months ago
@AJ627 I did. An excellent if somewhat idealized cartoon about the suffering of the Japanese civillians under US bombs towards the end of the war.
VersusARCH 4 months ago
Defeating Japan for real: US asked USSR for Siberian bases and was refused. Then they tried bombing from China and found the supply problem insolvable. Then they built 100s of carriers and destroyed the Jap. Navy, but found they needed refueling bases near Japan. Then they did the island hopping with heavy casualties. Finaly the A-bomb, won them the war. Only then did they, on Seversky's advice, build the B-36. "Americans always do the right thing... after they try everything else" W Churchill
VersusARCH 7 months ago
@VersusARCH. The B-36 was in development throughout the war. As the war`s progress changed, so did the emphasis on the 36. When development of the B-29 & B-32 was hitting snags, The B-19/36 project was given more resources. Luckily things changed on the ground, and the B-36 projectt was returned to the back burner in supply & resouce allocation. Also, the project was moved from San Diego to Ft Worth which further delayed things. Unlike all other planes in `45, the B-36 didnt have its funding cut
album183 4 months ago
During the first 45 seconds. Why now use B-25 Mitchells? During the Doolittle Raid, they proved that bombers are capable of taking off from carriers while carring a a bombload of 2000 lbs.. With enough fuel, distance from Tokyo, and bombers and carriers, they could have bombed Tokyo (and Japan) out of the water!!
PanAmPatrick 7 months ago
@PanAmPatrick I also wonder why they didn't mention the Doolittle Raid itself. It was a damn sucess (partly). With 2000 lbs. over 100 carriers, that's 200,000 lbs. of TNT AND multiply that by 16 (the no. of Mitchells used in the Raid), you have a grand total of a little over 3 million lbs. that would have ended the war a little earlier in the Pacific.
PanAmPatrick 6 months ago
@PanAmPatrick
The Doolittle Raid had happened a few months prior to the film's release and one month prior to the book. However the film's decree that long range bomber alone could win the war was debunked soon after when the Luftwaffe destroyed 60 B-17 in the raids on Schwenfurt and Regensburg. Seversky's theories became even more implausible when the Luftwaffe began fielding the ME-262 jet fighters and ME-163 Rocket Powered Intercepters
snakes3425 6 months ago
@snakes3425 Other than the ME-262, the Germans didnt have an aircraft that would reach the B-36 & still able to engage it, Nor did they have the anti aircraft batteries that could fire at that altitude had it ever come to that. The B-17 like the Sherman tanks were what they were... equipment designed to fight the enemy toe-to-tow, but were designed to be mass produced in faster replacement quantities than the Germans could replace their losses
album183 4 months ago
@album183
There was an achilies heel to many of the German "Super Weapons" like the 262, Tiger I and Tiger IIs was that they were gas guzzlers and Germany lacked the fuel and resources to mass produce and deploy them in large numbers and in the case of the Me262 Hitler was obessed with the idea of turining it into a bomber, when it was designed to be a fighter-intercepter
snakes3425 4 months ago
@snakes3425 Yes, The Germans could defend their own airspace because the Allies' heavy bombers weren't capable of flying in the stratosphere and were too slow(over 400 mph needed to out run current fighters). They were able to strike down any bomber raids in 1939-1943 before the ME-262 in '44. But they couldn't completely stop them because of lack of replacement trained aircrew due attrition. The Allies needed more long range escort fighters and new accurate bomb delivery systems.
Mythteller 3 months ago
The big bombers were sitting ducks to the fighters.
visionsofed 8 months ago
Come to think of it, they never did put flak cannons on aircraft, did they?
SephirothRyu 1 year ago
Oddly enough, one of the stars of this film, Alexander Seversky of Republic Aviation (makers of the P-47 Thunderbolt fighter), never made a bomber, although this film advocates building a massive bomber force.
NickB1967 1 year ago
Wow! The bomber gunners never miss!
Humbertusmarius 1 year ago
Judging by the date of this video, the attack on Tokyo had not yet happened. Global Reach, Global Power is the mantra of the USAF. Tankers help fighters and bombers achieve this. The converted B-29's proved the point. Here they were showing what having this power could,in theory,do.
mustang196583 1 year ago
@mustang196583 Exactly. And plus it's just a movie and what's more. IT IS TRUE WALT DISNEY so it is still great.
jtomally9681 1 year ago
@mustang196583
Actually the film was released on July 17 1943 the Doolittle Raid happened a few months prior to the release and one month prior to Seversky releasing his book in 1942.
Irony is exactally one month after Victory through Air Power came out Seversky's belief that Land baised Bombers alone could win the war was shattered when 60 B-17s were shot down by the Luftwaffe during the attacks on Schweinfurt and Regensburg
snakes3425 1 year ago
Why didn't u make the vids 10 mins each?
LuckyxNumberxSlevin 2 years ago 5
I just used a file chop program and uploaded them all the way I did here.
jtomally9681 2 years ago
@LuckyxNumberxSlevin I will be making another channel and I will upload this feature on there 10 min. long vid.
jtomally9681 1 year ago
I understand that this film did not explain everything. Although you need to understand that that was not the intention Walt had in mind prior to making this film.
jtomally9681 2 years ago
It's funny how they anticipated the war to end in 1948.
CommanderLightning 2 years ago 17
@CommanderLightning
The other funny thing is that Land-Sea-Air Team is how the war was won. The Army and Marines cleared strategically important islands but didn't drive the Japanese from every island, the Navy devistated Japan's Merchant Fleet and the Imperial Navy's surface and submarine fleets, severing the supply lines themselves, and Army, Navy, and Marine Corps Aviation knocked out the Imperial Air Force's regular units and hit Japan itself, once the B-29 went into service.
snakes3425 1 year ago
@snakes3425 Yep. After the Battle of Midway. The Jap's under armored Zeros and Betties prove no match for strong (albeit less agility) American Hellcats and Flying Fortresses (and Superfortresses). After the Battle of the Philippine Sea (the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot) the effectly cut Japan's island supply lines and ended the Imperial Japanese Navy as a threat (sealing the fate of the Japs). The atomic bombing over Nakasaki and Hiroshima was the final nail in the coffin of the Pacific Theatre
PanAmPatrick 6 months ago
@PanAmPatrick
What tore the heart out of the Japanese at Midway was the loss of Veteran Air Crews. The carriers and planes were easily replaced but you couldn't replace those combat veterans and aces and Japan's policy was you stay on the front line until the war is over or you die, they never rotated crews after a specified period to allow them to train recruits by the time of the Philippine Sea, the pilots were lucky to get airborne let alone fight against veteran US Pilots and ship crews
snakes3425 6 months ago
@CommanderLightning I know this is an old comment,but that's the reason why we have "The bomb" and they didn't.
D8W2P4 11 months ago
True, but the whole idea of this film was to provide the Allies the information about the advantages of airpower.
CommanderLightning 2 years ago 5
And so the B-36 Peacemaker was born!
Trouble was, it didn`t fly till 1945 and the War was over.
AbelMcTalisker 2 years ago 14
@AbelMcTalisker Actually, the prototype XB-36 didnt fly until 1946, and production of the B-36A didnt begin in full capacity until late 1947. The 36 could have been operational much sooner had the course of events in `42-`44 gone worse. It was the coming cold war with the Soviet Union that gave the project its lifeblood, and unlike most other prop driven craft in 1945-46 that got cut back - if not cancelled and the planes scrapped, the B-36 remained fully funded following the war
album183 4 months ago
awesome
gvi341984 2 years ago 6
Thanks.
jtomally9681 2 years ago