In the Studio with Michael Wagener : recording drums part I/2

[starslight13]

okay so you've started recording, would each mic allow you to control the volume along with delay effects from your CPU. or mixer?

[starslight13]

so the way each microphone is set up records a more direct audio wave attack for each instrument set.(snare, hi hat, crash, etc.) ..???

[A7Xfanatic777]

I'm in love with the high hats. Are they like 13 or 12 inch a customs? Or am I way off?

[whatsbelowyou]

Marketing douchebag standing over Wagener. Marketing dude doesn't realize who the fuck he's hanging with....nor does he care.

[lolaslidar]

do anyone know how can you record like a proffesional band...i mean...is it better to record 1)part-part,2)every drum separately or 3)all the song a once?

[lavaxtris1]

@lolaslidar that is what I want to know. and if you do it part-by-part then how do you stop? With the cymbals ringing?

[whatsbelowyou]

@lolaslidar It depends. Vocals are usually cut seperately. Personally, i like the energy of a band(drums bass guitar) being recorded together. Overdub solo's, doubles, fills, vocals, harmonies, etc.

[SultaoFeliz]

Ok, lets see if i got it straight: 1 sm57, 3 R121, 2 sm7b, 2 ma100, 1 r122, 1 r122v, 1 ma 201, 1 sf12, 1 ma 200, 2 md421. Ok, it is 14 mics, and 15 channel (sf 12 is a stereo mic). Those mics by themselves cost 16100 dollars, and now you put in that count a 15 channel interface, 15 pre amps, cables, stands, a fucking nice room, compressors, limiters, etc, etc, etc... See how cheap it is to get a good drum sound ? :D I would say the equipment on this video (including the drums) were AT LEAST 40k

[andyrumschlag]

This is the best drum sound I've ever heard.

[DanielRinerMusic]

Should the snare drum be recorded with a different kind of drum mic other than the tom's or is that just... too weird?

[cauterizedstudio]

Other than the Senheiser 421s and the SM7bs its all Royer. Don't forget the $3k worth of Mohave Audios which is an off-shute of Royer. More or less this was one big Royer commercial. Its Royer just in case the name was forgotten after watching this........Royer

[TheVelazquez95]

Wat mic did he use on the bater side of the toms

[glassprison01]

sm7 for bottom toms? nice

[123scottyman]

hahahaha they have like 12 mics on the drums! when Led Zeppelin recorded the drums for When The Levee Breaks, they used 2 condensers!

[darrenguitar]

@123scottyman they had 3 mic on the kit for led the glyn johns technique

[FaithDead]

@123scottyman I think they used the glyn johns method back then. 2 condensers and 2 dynamic mics.

[djbadsector]

Gating the bottom snare mic with a key from the top snare mic is an interesting idea.

[songswedo]

I just use my mics to hit the drums instead of sticks. I go through a lot of $4,000 Royer mics that way but not as many as they used to set this drum recording up.

[coreyfromtheband]

you forgot to put a microphone in the drummers ass, jeez....

[Pepsifx357]

What John is saying is that Royers suck and are overpriced.

[feewert42]

ok nice, but why not use 1 mic per drum? that would be far way more cheap and pretty decent to

[thekobsta]

would be great to hear every mic solo...

[CrissinBox]

The Guy standing up Looking around Is Probably Thinking "This Old Man smells like shit. I wonder when i Can leave?"

[mdparra]

Great info.  Thanks.

[jamesdancer73]

interesting but very boring

[brownjovi]

14 mic using 16 inputs. wow...gratuitous much?

[saheltaja]

@ryancangri one technique would be the one credited for John Bonham: one cardioid condenser as an overhead two lengths of a drum stick above the kick drum leg's knee, and one, preferably dynamic, for the bass drum. It's mono, yes, but very balanced and aah! so vintage ;)

[Vanjal]

Awesome sounding drums but...There is Superior Drummer 2.0 and Metal Foundry SDX so...basically, you really don't need this. Just quality V-Drum.

[dustywake]

Or you could go to a Professional Studio for one or two days to cut your drums!

[bucktoofus]

John knows what he's talking about.

[TheDriveMaster]

People what you are hearing is Michael Wagener, and not the mics! Give MW some cheap dynamics, and he will came up with sounds, that some of you would even prefer. The belief that sound depend on big money, is like assuming that you need a Ferrari to learn how to drive. If you dont know how to control the acustics of your recording spaces probably the Royers will sound worse then SM 57s, 52A, etc. If you do have a pro recording sound, and you want to change it a bit, then Roy yourself.

[TheDriveMaster]

O set up funciona para essa banda que estão a gravar. Em outra banda usam outro equipamento, dependendo do estilo de música, da sala, do baterista etc Básicamente eles têm uma coleção de microfones para escolher. Mas eu acho que o interessante destes videos é descobrir o que é usado para o som que nos interessa e adquirir microfones dentro desse mundo. Básicamente, dá para reproduzir este som com microfones muito mais baratos! Já escutei com cada porcaria gravada com Royers, o preço não é tudo!

[ElectrikSoundStudios]

Like every other TOP 100 album you can use 2 SM57's 3 MD 421's 1 AKG D112 and a stereo pair of sm81's and youll have a bitching sound while saving 10 g's

[ryancangri]

Too many mics. Any one knows how to mic a 4-piece kit with only two mics?

[magicfreek101]

@ryancangri yep 2 over head mics and some eq compression and reverb and your good

[ryancangri]

@magicfreek101 Thanks, I'll give it a try.

[voiceofallanger]

@ryancangri You can do it with two mics but the most prominent sound will have to be the kick drum so you have to place your two omnidirectional condensers out front but reasonably high about cymbal height so that they get a bit of kick.. You'd have to tune your snare to be quite poppy so it breaks the mix over a distance because when you move the mics out front you get a lot of room sound.. It's a tricky one.. Not ideal.

[thephysicslab]

Most of you are missing the point of the video. These techniques can be used with much cheaper mics!! 57's make fantastic room mics and are cheap. A CAD m179 makes a killer overhead for 150$ For fuck sakes think outside the gear and try these techniques, they WORK!

[benstart123]

i dissagree with so much those guy just said

[joeydoit1423]

@benstart123 and the recording at the beginning was thin and chimy, and just annoying.

[HankVanTank]

@joeydoit1423

i totally agree. you can hear the gate opening when the drummer hits th snare harder and harder. redicoulus. and yes, it sounds a bit "dull"

- perfect example that more mics don't cause better results.

[SnowboardA51]

so pretty much this would cost you thousands and thousands of dollars to get everything they just said. 

[ledzep896]

@SnowboardA51 yeah it sucks for the rest of us who dont have $10,000 sitting around to get good drum recordings... Plus if you're going to put that much into recording, you'd better know what you're doing.

[queenville]

but it's interesting :)

[HammerOvThor]

@SnowboardA51 I know it's so depressing...

[EnjoyTheMorningView]

"Today we're going to show you a tutorial on how to use equipment that's more expensive than you house, to record drums. First off, you'll probably never going to see or have all this equipment unless you're at a studio, or unless you make $120,000 a year. So ..." then goes the 9 minutes of explaining.

[phemohilia]

This guy mixed "Master Of Puppets".... according to my CD

[PapaKenny777]

this seems like it would be a phasing nightmare no???

[beckryanperson]

how to record drums if i had a shitload of awesome mics... if I had all of these mics I would've prbly already went to school for sound engineering and wouldn't need this video... i want a video for youtube users like me with a bunch of lo-fi mics and no degree in sound design

[Amaranth152]

@beckryanperson. What exactly do you want? This video is somewhat of an ad for Royer but has a heap of helpful tips. Why don't you do a search for "How to record a drum kit with shitty mic 'x' coupled with no understanding or intention to learn what I'm doing" instead to complaining that a video isn't relevant to you.

[beckryanperson]

@Amaranth152 h8ters rule haha

[Amaranth152]

@beckryanperson Search "Classic Sesame Street - Ernie and Bert play the drums"

[AFallFromSin]

how dude u get the bass drum to sound loek that?

like did u mess with eq or what?

[pmduke06]

the money in ribbon mics alone is insane

[Audiowithalex]

Never thought of putting a condenser that close to the ground that far in front of the kit, it might actually sound good.

[worldcomander]

i though mike wengren

[drumgod97]

what is the song that the drummer plays at the beggining of ther video

[nicolas747]

Muy bien! gracias! espero poder imitarlos, capos! saludos de argentina

[mr4y]

the strange thing is that he never tells the names of the other mics except the royers and mojave ones.

[OmnishowOfficial]

@mr4y Sennheiser MD421s on toms top, Shure SM7s on toms bottom, i'd say he's mentioning the mojave and royers because its some kind of advertisement for them, but it could also be that the MD421s and SM7s are just that common and recognisable.

[bandaidemechanic]

3:16-3:40

Wagener: "Hi. Assisting me is this guy from Royer. His nickname is 'Mr. Redundant' because he pretty much just copies what I say, and regurgitates it using a different phrasing."

Royer guy: "Essentially what I'm here to do is take what Michael says, and put a different spin on it so it looks like I'm contributing, but I'm really not."

[jasonhats]

'Opening the door was a great idea'...just remember to close it on your way out.

[zkranz0]

@bandaidemechanic Shut the fuck up

[Honeythebeebee]

@bandaidemechanic haha

[621984C]

Wicked idea angling the r121 on the kick...I never thought about that before....maybe cos I don't have one ;) mbn....

[Audiowithalex]

@621984C maybe cause their so damn expensive lmao

[JmAA7192]

That guy would sound so good as a sports commentator. Great voice

[sullydude24]

This is Kool and the Gang, but I need how to make due with my set of Audix, one Shure SM57, and two cheapo Radio Shaft mics.

[garytheagnostic]

You'll need a mixer first off. Then just mess around with placement to find the sweet spot for each mic. Keep your cymbals mics far away (about 4-5 feet above your head). Use the Sure for your snare. Then play around with the EQ on the mixer.

Lot's of muffling RemOs, moongell etc...

I have a crappy CAD mic set and a Sure SM57 and have got some pretty sweet sounding recordings.

[Audiowithalex]

@sullydude24 Tricky, but the 57 is great, if your looking for a cheap budget id get one more of those if i were you

[Freeman01001]

minkia, ci saranno 10.000 euro di microfoni...

:-)

[GishoDinev]

Someone calulated the budget used for recording in this video ? :D

[GetReide]

god damnit that one badass sounding drumkit - I wish I had the money to afford all those mics...

[jellyboy123]

fantastic video.

[wilyjameson]

Very interessting vid !

[mykierocks]

Fantastic vid. Love the hallway mic... very cool!

[Demetriwalker]

Mike is the drummer's engineer.

[jacoboscar79]

5:18 watt kind of cymbol is dat?? pretty kool!

[MeetMeBs]

Ride. :D

[jacoboscar79]

i know its a ride.. what brand??

[happyronbin]

That is one expensive set-up! Great video.

[guitargamery]

uau the drumer likes to chew his tong--lol nice video by the way

[drumgod97]

what is that song tht the dude plays at the begining

[enjoi4212]

what a christmasy snare drum, sounds really good though

[foketesz]

one of the best session walk-thru's I've seen yet. Greeeeeeeeeat sound, btw

[asethapart]

Thanks for this video!

[whatzupa]

I was interested in how to mic and record drums properly, as I normally play guitar and bass myself. I found this quite interesting and it got my noodle thinking about sound patterns, pressure wave patterns. The thing about the polarities due to the mic placement on the floor tom was intriging, I guess you invert one of the signals too.

I guess an already fully mic'd drum kit in the studio is the way to get a proper drum track, and make sure a drummer is at the controls too.

Cool beats.

[chrian31410]

There are many ways to mic drums. I've been in the producing business since I was a little kid (dad owned a studio) The most natural ways are:

Glyn Johns Method

Recorder man Method

and Bonham Method

What most do today:

Full mic-up