the DBZ characters do have a huge destruction range but do not want to destroy earth and Goku doesnt want to destroy any innocent life (that why the Spirit Bomb only destroyed the size of what it was and when Vegeta sacrificed himself his strongest attack didnt obliterate earth
Kid Buu took a total count of about 100-200 blasts to destroy the galaxy on screen. This means he can destroy millions of star systems in 1 blast. This means that when he condenses his Earth destroying attack into a planet sized explosion the explosion is centillions of monkeyplexes times smaller. What this means is that it is condensed all into so much smaller area that it actually unleashes the damage of a focused UNIVERSE BUSTER! If you cant comprehend it then ur a Superman fan aka a virgin!
@TheNiggestTroll said: " Kid Buu took a total count of about 100-200 blasts to destroy the galaxy on screen." ....Would you mind posting some Youtube-video URL-address where we can see your claims?.(kid buu using 100-200 KI blats to destroy a galaxy) or I remember anime fillers and after Super Buu-han fighting, appeared Kid Buu and He was destroying planet by planet looking for Goku & vegeta. and Kid buu became involved in the explosions .(surviving with regeneration technique)
@TheNiggestTroll kid buu was also using Instant transmission (kibitoShin teleportation) to travel planet by planet So kid buu at least needs to be very close to the planets or inside their atmospheres to try to destroy them . Goku would need to use " IT " (IT is teleportation and requires focus, ) to do the same way. or interstellar KI beams but we forgot to add the inconsistency with the ki blasts. These must To be far faster than light to travel vast astronomical distances..
@polimaniatico /watch?v=jQ3u16tvPFk theres the vid of him DOMINATING a galaxy. Those attacks where he condenses his galaxy level attacks into planet sized explosions are as powerful as universe busters because hes condensing star system busters into planet sized attacks.
@TheNiggestTroll This anime-filler doesn´t mean Majin Buu destroyed a whole galaxy in one shot or the english dub didn't say nothing about your "attacks where he condenses his galaxy level attacks into planet sized explosions" as your imagination makes you write, here. in the manga (canon source) states :" In only a few years, he destroyed several hundred planets". (Chapter 446 Volume 37 page 13) but
That is an incorrect translation it states in the Japanese Original....
@TheNiggestTroll ..."Majin Buu had no reason or emotion. He did nothing but destroy and massacre repeatedly. He was a monster born only to bring terror. In a matter of years, hundreds of planets were turned into planets of death." ....we know kid buu is a multi-planet buster but one by one as he did it when he was majin buu and after being kid-buu looking for goku & vegeta. the galaxy being destroyed scene means MajinBuu can destroy planet by planet = a galaxy in 1000s of years.
@polimaniatico Bro, no one gives a fuck about your shitty little manga. When people search Goku vs Superman they're thinking of Goku from the DBZ anime they watched as a kid. Not Superman vs Son Gokou-san from some Japanese manga which has a shitload of inaccurate English translations. If you want to debate comics only then go to some nerdy forum that has rules supporting your dumbass "manga canon only" arguments. Leave youtube to the normal people. Kay?Thnxbai.
u shouldve made the kill easier. goku is way faster and he can teleport. he wouldnt just stand there and take a hit. goku is also stronger. and has energy blasts. superman has laser eyes.
Many boys have seen Dragonball and they have been excited from the fact that the characters of DB destroy whole mountains and they make city explode, of Superman instead they have seen only or above all the animate series for children of the Warner Bros, where SM throws down at the most a skyscraper, therefore it is clear that according to them Goku is very more powerful person of Superman if they believe both that of the animate series of the WB
but if they followed the comic strip they would know that the steel man can move a planet, he can withstand to cosmic explosions and him he can win the strength of a black hole, this whole Goku cannot even do absolutely it as Super Sayan of 4 ^ level, therefore Superman would defeat without too many problems any version of Goku.
Let me count the ways:pre crisis superman wins, superman prime wins, current superman wins, superman fused with KISMET wins, superman red and blue wins, superman red son? wins, superman prime one million lol god stomps, superman with the sword of superman wins, cyborg superman wins. cosmic armor superman wins. all these guys with complete ease demolish goku. only versions that i know of that goku can beat are golden age and the cartoon.
@Gibson188G.True but DC and Marvel characters are always being pushed and surpassing their powers and abilities as well.Especially someone like Superman.As of comics,still shows no limit on what he can do.The kryptonian is force to be noticed.
This would be a tough one. But the DBZ universe character's powers never stay the same, the characters are constantly surpassing each other all the time.
Dudes...Superman's feats are astonishing!Any DBZ fan...list Goku's greatest feats of strength,durability,stamina and speed.And Ill list Superman's.Then we shall compare*
Kryptonian muscle is far more stronger(immeasurable),faster(up to million times FTL),way more durable(impenetratable molecular structure) and way more advanced in every aspect!The kryptonian has no limit,of course COMIC ADAPTION!!!
Type in the search bar "Goku vs" and a bunch of DBZ villains will pop up. Type in "superman vs" and one of the top search options will be "superman vs goku" GOKU IS THE BAR STANDARD OF COMBAT HERO GODLYNESS IN FICTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
End of story to all of you goku wins no matter what just leave it be if you want to argue more take it up with the creators of DbZ and the creators of Superman
Goku would win. The sayians were born to fight. Goku fights people who has the power to destroy planets. Superfag has the power to fight muggers and bank robbers. People say o superfag fast though. Wtf he got his ass beat from hulk and the hulk is a slow ass motherfucker. Yea goku will win every fight with superfag.
FACT: Goku is superior to Broly and on par with Kid Buu
FACT: Buu saga Vegito is billions of times the power of Buu saga Goku (potara fusion multiplies the powers of the 2 fusees and Goku and Vegeta both had power levels of over 6 billion at the time)
FACT: Above statements deduce the fact that Vegito is billions of times the power of galaxy destroyers
1: That would still put him at multi-star system level which still supports my claims and Broly pwns u CHUMP
2: So? He's still close to Kid Buus level
3: Yes there is, the manga and guide book say potara fusion is Goku*Vegeta=Vegito, both their power levels are in the billions so Vegito is about 6 billion times stronger than Goku
4: Yes they have, Kid Buu and Goku have both destroyed stars on-screen and Cell can destroy a solar system
@TheSuccessfulHunk Kid buu didn´t destroy a galaxy. That was a anime filler. Talking about canonical sources ( manga DBZ tonkounbon-japanese edition) it was state that kid buu destroy many planets in few years. Broly didn´t destroy a galaxy. most of your arguments are based on errors of translation and dubbing. Ocean group and funimation didn´t translate correctly Tv specials, movies, Tv episodes. King Kai said: "The south galaxy was under attack" stupid english dub said:" the south galaxy was..
@TheSuccessfulHunk ..destroyed". The entire movie took place in the south galaxy and there were many intact planets. It is stupid to think that if Broly can destroy a galaxy he can't beat goku with a single attack and goku needed steal the powers of his friends to face broly. Vegito has more KI power than kid buu or broly but that doesn´t mean Vegito is millions times faster or a multi-galaxy buster. GT DB = crappy TOEI idea. DBZ goku >>> GT goku.
@polimaniatico ...Destroying your argument continued... Yeah, there were a few planets remaining, planets are but dust moats in the vastnest of a galaxy. If you destroy something, it doesn't mean you completely atomize it. And as for Vegito, it was stated in the guidebook that potara fusion is Goku x Vegeta = Vegito. I could send you the proof in PM if you'd like. And I agree that DBZ > GT in terms of writing, but power scaling puts GT far superior in power.
@TheSuccessfulHunk You fail again, you "galactic bursting scene" was never shown as a large explosion or a total blinding flash as it should be in a galaxy exploding.certainly not in a single ki blast as many Broly-fanboys would try and make you believe. the scene is shown as a galaxy fading out to black. I have daizenshuu books (spanish, english,french) so I know DBZ power levels and Know akira toriyama had nothing to do with anime fillers (non canon events)..
@TheSuccessfulHunk talking about daizenshuu EX and daizenshuu 7, there are few interviews with toriyama. He explains what he thinks about anime. translated from French into English (summary): Toriyama is not saying that the anime and manga are the same thing. He is saying that he didn't do shit on the anime, his collaborators were the ones who created the anime and created stories as known as fillers that don't exist on the original manga and Toriyama simply explained that....
@TheSuccessfulHunk... have not read the manga don't need to worry since you can get into the world of Dragonball by watching the anime or the manga. They are different ways to enjoy his story where the anime has some extra stories (as known as fillers)". akira toriyama also made characters design in chrono trigger -video game but this doesn't mean Crono trigger is current to his work DBZ.(drawn and scripted by himself) The same goes for DB GT & TV specials , movies. = non canon.
@polimaniatico Are you retarded or something? Why do you need to write 5 comments to spew out what can be summed up into a short paragraph? And TOEI has the rights and license to DBZ and all written filler scenes in the anime were oversaw and approved by Toriyama.
@polimaniatico Anime is just as canon as manga as stated by the author Akira Toriyama himself. And, yes, Broly did destroy a galaxy you fucking dumb-ass: the supposed "debunk" video of Brolys galaxy busting just had cherry-picked scenes showing Kai merely state "it was under attack" when if you watched the full movie subs they actually stated he galaxy busted in later parts. Broly has massive downplayers. Not to mention the galaxy was shown being destroyed on-screen. Dumbass.
@TheSuccessfulHunk No I'm not you are the dumbass. you fail!. research about original japanese version. Broly didn`t destroy a galaxy but You don't seem to differentiate between hyperbole and reality. the hyperbole scene "galaxy being destroyed no make sense because according to the Amplified perspective-scene the whole galaxy rotated at least 60 degrees, it means thousands of years in time So Broly must die of old age.LOL chek out on youtube watch?v=rpHdgn3UaBc get over it
>Galaxy was rotating so thousands of years MUST HAVE PASSED
>Acting as if the artists for DBZ know anything about astronomy
FAIL!
Even if ur a retard who is deaf and cant read, you should be able to comprehend that Broly destroyed that galaxy. It showed the galaxy being erased on screen, true it wasnt in 1 blast, but he still destroyed billions of stars in only a few years.
@TheSuccessfulHunk@TheSuccessfulHunk " Galaxy was rotating so thousands of years must have passed". = This was what I said earlier. For the galaxy can rotate that way, must spend thousands of years or planets and solar systems must move thousands of times faster than light, too. Then Toei's Movies no make sense or DBZ-fans don't know how to interpret a hyperbole scene. Please check out this video and comments from the author /watch?v=rpHdgn3UaBc
@TheSuccessfulHunk kid Buu being stronger than perfect Cell, He Destroyed hundreds of planets in few years but never an entire galaxy. (canon source = manga). I did my homework so I made my mathematical calculations. for example If Kid Buu could destroy a planet for each second lapsed. He He would take 5,073.5 years or 5 Centuries to destroy all the planets in our galaxy (160,000,000,000 to 200,000,000,000 planets). But there are limitations such as He can't take any second..
@TheSuccessfulHunk...of rest (unlimited stamina, Ki Power), 2) KI Energy attacks and KI shock waves traveling Billions of times faster than light per millisecond.(100,000 light years ahead). 3) Ability to know the location of each planet. 4) Faster than light Travel-speed or Teleportation. But in the anime there were many powerful KI attacks that ended up coming off the planet and didn´t destroy a solar System, not even close a galaxy. Anyway I already gave my opinion. bye sir.
@polimaniatico Por qué le haces caso a los trolls de dragón ball? tu sabes que ellos jamás dejaran de escribir estupideces basados en su fanatismo desmedido hacia Goku. Son incapaces de ver más allá de sus narices. no saben ni analizar un argumento o guión de una serie animada. Don't feed Goku-lovers. they' are trolling us, all the time.
I think everybody with half a brain knows that Goku would win. There isn't a fictional character in history stronger than Goku minus the DBZ villains that he had to fuse with Vegeta to beat and God if you want to count him as a fictional character.
@Fluffypopcicle "There isn't a fictional character in history stronger than Goku " That is a load of bollacks, there are hundreds of characters that make Goku look like a total joke and many versions of Superman are amongst them. And you actually think Goku can beat God!!!?, Goku can beat Transendent, Infinite and divine power?. Goku is not even a speck of dust next to God, God can destroy all of reality even easier than you or I would blink. I am totally flabbergastered.
Besides God, and I'm a Christian so I don't believe him to be fictional. Congratulations, you offended me due to your lack of consideration towards my religious beliefs. Asshole.
@Fluffypopcicle You don't seem to grasp how powerful God really is. God is infintie in every way. It has every super power you can possibly name and it will be infinitley stronger than anyone elses. Nothing, no being can defeat such an entity . And There are fictional versions of God in both the DC and Marvel universes, The Presence and The One above all. So God can technically be considered fictional, and sorry you got offended but there was no need for insults.
"I'm a Christian so I don't believe him to be fictional" this is my comment. "You don't seem to grasp how powerful God really is" this your comment after my comment. You're not only an (unintentional) asshole, you're also incredibly stupid.
reading the new rebooted DC Universe, In Action Comics #5 when baby superman (within a rocket) is arriving to earth, the spaceship makes a reading of the earth's environment and describes the earth with a gravity 0,20 Krypton (it means gravity of earth = 9,8m/s2 = G ) So Kripton = 4.900 m/s2 = 500x G. baby superman in the natural krypton enviroment can withstand 500G easily. while Saiyans had to train hard at 300G (manga) and 450G (anime filler) to be stronger. LOL kryptonians >>>>saiyans..
@polimaniatico Umm,yeah,but that training is so old,Vegeta was doing it when he was trying to go Super Saiyan.So,in his base state he was doing 450G.Considering that Saiyans can raise their power to the Super Saiyan 4,about 500 times stronger then their base state,Superman doesnt stand a chance against that much power :)
@TheRageFury Superman has held a universe in his hands, Superman has also held a blackhole in his hands that weighed more than the Earth, Superman has also survived in the core of a double blackhole, and blackholes have virtually infinite gravity. Super Sayian 4 does'nt officialy exist and it was never stated that in makes them 500 times more powerful either. In reality no-one from DBZ stands a chance against a guy who can survive in a balckhole and not get his atoms ionized.
@NANOFORGE You make no sense,how officialy Super Saiyan 4 doesnt exist? o.O It is never stated man,but It's just math,anyone who know anything about Dragon Ball know that each next Saiyan transformation is 50-100 times stronger then the last one,that was stated.The only advantage Superman would have is that he can breathe in space,but I really doubt that would much help him with Goku's "instant transmission".And not to mention they can fuse
@TheRageFury SSJ4 does'nt official exist because it is not canon. The most powerful from a Sayian can reach is SSJ3. The only Super Sayian form that has it's boost stated was the first. You really don't know antyhing about Superman. As I said the manga stated that it would take the full power of an SSJ2 level character to destroy a solar system and Supermancan do this just by sneezing. When has Goku/, He has'nt. SUperman also fought omnipotent beings and won. Superman >>>> Goku.
@NANOFORGE I can see all your tries to bury SSJ4 as not existed,but Super Saiyan 4 exist,shall I show you the videos of him,and Gogeta SSJ4?They are not created by Akira Toriyama but that doesnt mean they not exist,what you say is very stupid,It is the same If I told Superman from some episodes is not real,and dont exist because he had another creator.You have your opinion,and thats ok,but it is very childish to say SSJ4 doesnt exist just to make Goku weaker.
@TheRageFury "I can see all your tries to bury SSJ4 as not existed," IT'S NOT CANON, what part of that are you struggling to grap, using non offical information just complicates things due to incosistances. SSJ4 Goku was burned by Nova who was as hot as the suns surface, he was Frozen, cut by glass, blinded and to top it off stuggled to hold a building above him using both hands. None of this would hurt supes not to mention supes held a building with only his pinky.
@NANOFORGE GT is canon as a sequel to the DBZ anime. No, Akira Toriyama himself did not write it, but he did oversee its production on provide input into it.Akira Toriyama himself draw character of Super Saiyan 4 so how that can possible be non-cannon.Goku and every equal to him,can destroy whole solar system with one blast,we can see Vegeta destroying planet with one lousy blast at the very begining,before Super Saiyans.Superman just got beaten by Hulk,its ridicolous.
@TheRageFury yup, but after the cell saga vegeta was training at 450G and he couldn´t do so easily. he was struggling a bit there. 450G means that vegeta was struggling with his own weigh (about 27 tonnes). also I remember Goku needed his ssj1 form to lift 40 tonnes. Superman can lift & pull millions of tonnes with ease. They are much weaker than Kryptonians in terms of physical strength. ssj4 is non canon he was struggling to lift a simple building and his greatest strenght-feat was ...
@polimaniatico mmm that what you say is little correct,little not,Vegeta was training at 450G before Cell saga,If I remember good.But still,Goku can destroy whole solar system with one blast,and I think Superman couldnt survive that,Saiyans are much more stronger If you calculate their Ki blasts,not only physical strenght :)
@TheRageFury Kryptonians from current Superman comics state that they were BORN and RAISED on Krypton with 500 times Earth's gravity in orbit of a RED SUN. Superman gains power by yellow stars so by the time he became an adult he obviously would of been alot stronger. plus he held black holes in the palm of his hand and destroyed them, Silver age also escaped a full stellar black hole which puts him in a league of his own.
@TheRageFury Broly is NOT FUCKING CANON!!, NON OF THE MOVIES ARE NOR IS GT/ How many times do you fucking low life idiots need to be told this. For fuck sake. And Broly never destroyed a Galaxy seeing that the Z Fighters fought him there.
@NANOFORGE Broly destroyed couple of galaxies,before Z Fighters stop him,If you didnt know there isnt just one galaxy even in real life,especialy not in anime.So you suck bro
@TheRageFury "Goku can destroy whole solar system with one blast,and I think Superman couldnt survive that" GET A FUCKING CLUE FOR CHIRST SAKE, You people are fucking impossible. Superman has tanked EXPLODING STARS!!! and not even been phased by it, Superman has withstood NEBULAS EXPLODING and those are light years across. READ A FUCKING COMIC BOOK YOU STUPID DBZFANFUCK.
Seriously, trying to convince the entire internet is a waste of time, when obviously people are hungry to see how their powers really compare regardless of how a single fight ends
@NANOFORGE stop being rude to people and start asking people to ask the character owners at their website and by fan mail. Besides Superman issues where he is stupidly powerful before 1986 are non canon anyways. And now everything before September 2011 is non canon so NOBODY CAN KNOW unless the character owners answer fan mail about this topic.
@DoctorTopper I'm not rude to anyone, They are rude to me. If they are being rude to me I think I have every right to fireback. It's not my fault they take being proven wrong so seriously. GanGsTeR4Live is the proof, he is the proof as to why everyone hates the DBZ fanbase. He got proven wrong and now he has started the insulting phase because his is an immature little dibble chinned kuckle dragging fairy. He is the very example of a fanboy.
@NANOFORGE Don't forget the other fanboys that keep stating that Goku can beat God with the dragonballs just by wishing him away, and those that say that Goku can beat God with the Dragon's Fist.Those are another perfect examples of stupid idiotic fanboys.
@TheMKVSDBZFAN1 Goku can beat the christian god?. So these idiots think Goku can defeat divine transcendent power?. Power than can destroy reality so easily our human minds could'nt comprehend it even if it was explained to us. These guys are totally retarded. They should be locked up. There is something seriously wrong with someone if they think someone like Goku can defeat someone who is infinite in every single possible and impossible way.
@NANOFORGE Exactly. They should get their videos removed or get banned from YouTube that keep on saying that a fictional character like Goku that can beat someone that is infinitly more powerful.
@TheMKVSDBZFAN1 I lol I got some idiot PM me a video of the top 25 most powerful heros ever. Guess who he put as number one, If you guessed Goku you would be right. The DBZfanbase is the worst by far, they are ever worse than Naruto fanboys and even more retarded that Twilight ones. I used to be a huge DBZfan but because of the fanbase I left it. I refuse to be part of a fanbase with people that think Goku is more powerful than the bloke who created all of reality.
@heretowatchvideos100 Really you think so?. I have debated one over who would win out of Star Wars and Star Trek and they did'nt seem to bad, the stated facts etc, they weren't like DBZtards who make up shit etc.
@heretowatchvideos100 Oh yes Q lol. Yeah I remeber some Trek fans who stated Q is omnipotent, when Ben Sisko punched him and Quinn also even admitted the Q's are not omnipotent.
@heretowatchvideos100 Yeah another thing about Trek fans is that they claim all federation ships are immune to lasers, dispite the fact the enterprise was cut up by a Borg laser weapon lol. Yeah that storm a low teir vs one of the most powerful charcters in the entire Mavel universe?. lol Storm fanboys *shakes head*.
@NANOFORGE Nano, leave that gangster dude alone. He is clearly a troll, he is probably laughing since he literally has been contradicted and has no proof. If he is bothering you, just block him.
@NANOFORGE not extactly vulnerable as human humans cause he only gets bruized by bullets isnt KOd by axes stuck in his skull. Rocks only hurt his body if smashed into fast by Freeza Krillin Goten or Majin Vegeta. Gokus needs to defend his body or Ki shield & add Ki to hits against enemy Ki shields. Less like KalEl more like Maxima or Braniac
@DoctorTopper Yeah Goku as an Oozaru was knocked out by a Missile at one point too but his power level was only 100 at the time. It obvious that with a higher power level comes a higher level ki barrier which can withstand more powerful attacks.
it wasn't pre crisis Kal El who was KOd smashed between two planets it was post crisis Kal El in "The Death of The New Gods" in 2008. Thats why post crisis Kal El could get KOd by regular Saiyan Goku's spam-able Ki beams which hurt worse than weaker characters' moon busting spam-able hand blasts. But Kal El's body is tougher than Goku's & Kal El can punch harder by flying fast.
DBfans forget Goku's body hurts from rocks if he doesn't protect his body with Ki & use Ki to hit opponent defense
@DoctorTopper "DBfans forget Goku's body hurts from rocks if he doesn't protect his body with Ki & use Ki to hit opponent defense" Yeah thats true because Goku had to actually dodge rocks Frezia was throwing at him. There is also the instance where Yajirobii slashed Vegetas back with his Katana after catching him off guard, this proves that sayains can be as vunerable as a human if caught of guard meaning the are no way near as invunerable as a kryptonain.
imagin Toriyama draws a comic where Superman is mysteriously warped to dragonball manga world & Goku spars w him amazed how his body is so durable & it turns out it was SUPERBOY of EARTHPRIME who sent him there cuz he knows this debate in his/our world. Hes outraged that Superman didnt easily cream Goku. Superman barely holds Prime long enuf 4 Goku to throw SpiritBom made of red suns then warp Superman bak hom
it wasnt pre crisis kal el, it was post crisis kal el who got knocked out squished between planets in Death of the New Gods 200(8?)... Anyways, that means regular Saiyan Gokus spamming beams could KO Superman but people forget Gokus body can get hurt by rock if he dont shield his body & use a lot of Ki while punching
Why don't DCfans get Clark's lifting power is aided by his flight & his punching power is less when it isn't a flying punch? Why don't DCfans get even though Clark isn't killed by novas he still gets KOd by moon-busting force? Why don't DCfans get the average Saiyan spams beams that hurt more than moon-busters beams?
Why don't DBfans get Saiyan bodies can hurt from rock smashing? Why don't they get they need to use their Ki to protect them & punch through defense?
please spread this. Toriyama sama said Z Fighters had limits to training muscle & thats why Goku & Gohan get hurt by rock smashing even in the Namek & Majin Saga. They train their Ki to protect their body & add strength but it uses up Ki. Post Crisis Supermans lifting power is aided by his gravity flight, but his muscle doesnt use up Ki for power. So Supermans body CLOBBERS Gokus but his lesser beams heavily damage Superman.
Planet of the truth is that superman is a thousand times gravity. Vegeta when he was unable to transform it trained four hundred and fifty times gravity.
Then Vegeta SuperSaiyan better than superman can move a thousand times gravity.
and it is still not fully substantiating the transformation.Power level 260.000.000
cool, a debate. Ok here is what i think then(huge DC comics and DBZ fan here). Supermans powers have been explained in great detail. Since there are more version of Superman i will just go for the silver age one. As for Goku, we only see him fight against people as strong as him or stronger, we don't really see what his strength and durability really is. Safe to say both can easily destroy a planet. Whether its as easy for Goku as it is for Superman is totally impossible to find out. Its a tie.
STOP being such haters to everyone. i say this would be cool cuz goku and all the dbz characters are awesome and much more powerful than the dc universe. but super man can sustain more as which to the point that ssj4 goku gets cut by glass. and full powered ssj goku gets hurt by a rock. so it would be a nice fight.
@wassup395 AND no stupid things like superman will take him to space so he cant breathe or goku will just instant transmission super man becuz goku wouldve just dont that to Broly.(because broly cant breathe in space) and superman would've just done that to doomsday
Both have so many different powers besides strength to consider. It is OBVIOUSLY up to their creators how their many different powers compare in a fight.
EVERYONE please write to Shonen Jump and DC Comics letters page and ask these questions TOGETHER. DC and Akira Toriyama answer letters and maybe make a crossover comic when they realize READERS WILL SPEND MONEY ON A CROSSOVER.
People are still arguing? Once again, depends which version. Almost all the comic book versions of superman beat goku, goku beats cartoon, goldenage, movie, smallville, lois and clark, and the dark knight returns version.
the only way this fight would happen is if poison Ive was involved makeing superman evil it would make the fight better because it would give a reson to goku to push himself past his limits becomeing a super sayin 2 maybe even 3 super would have to bring some new stuff to the show it would be a fight for the ages i dont really now who would win it would come down to one move i think
Ok so I've been looking through this debate and i see a lot of people saying how much ass superman kicks.... but goku can kick some ass too! And he has. If he goes all out i think it would atleast be a tie. If he went ss5 he'd win. Plus it depends on the stakes... and how mad goku was. Cuz when he's serious he's dead serious! Goku kills. And his moral code is alot more loose then supermans. So... yeah...
@EchoSkeliton So if Goku goes SSJ5 he becomes more than Superman?. Goku at SSJ4 Barely held a building above his head with both hands while Superman lifted the equivalent of a continent with one hand without even trying. Like I have said before. Superman is a universe buster and was given omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence. Even if Goku goes SSJ10 he will never beat an omnipotent being. Stop making excuses for Goku, he looses, and he allways will. Superman is far beyond him.
@NANOFORGE LOOOOOOOOL honestly you the dumbest guy in the world a fucking normal saiyan can destroy planet with there blast superman can kiss my ass he only got strength goku at normal saiyan can destroy supermans ugly ass since he just do a kamehameha or another blast and beside goku is 10x faster and he fight's 100x time's better you can't argue on that since superman fights like my ass and superman will beg goku to kill him after he totured him yea superman is not even comparable to saiyan
@NANOFORGE oh really i know about superman he is shit ... goku or vegeta normal saiyan form would destroy superman and if not then ssj 1 should do it if you thing how many specials blast a saiyan got and how strong they are can destroy planets with one little shot and goku and vegeta both of them can destroy the entire solar system so can superman do that lol hell naw superman would be doomed his not comparable to them
@GanGsTerR4Live You really don't know shit about Superman. Once Goku becomes strong enough to push stars around, is able to survive without substanance, is able to survive in space, is able to destroy solar systems just be sneezing, is able to fight one on one with beings who possessed the power of the Big Bang and is to tank supernova level explosions without even being harmed then we will have a debate, until then sit down, get to the back of the queue and shut the fuck up.
@NANOFORGE he can survive in space how tha hell would vegeta fly in space i saw it myself and goku's dad flew in space without dying.. so they can superman is not match it's as simple as it is man stop fucking around
@GanGsTerR4Live The first time planet busting was displayed was Vegeta's galik gun. None of the movies are canon either plus it's inconstant seeing that Frezia almost drowned Goku and stated several times that Sayains cannot survive without air. What is simple is that Superman is far beyond anything in DBZ, he and Captain Marvel held the equiavalet of the universe, now as a reader of the DBM and a fan of Goku have I seen Goku display the ability to do this?. The answer is no.
@GanGsTerR4Live Like I said those were non-canon instances. You need to learn what it really looks like up there, it will only take an altitude of 16 kilometers until you see nothing but darkness and the Earth's atmosphere is 100 kilometers high. It stated in the manga that Super Perfect Cell could destroy a solar system at his max power and he was SSJ2 level, something superman could do just by sneezing. So that means Superman can achieve SSJ2 level feats with just a sneeze.
@NANOFORGE i seen al db and dbz and goku could destroy the whole world as in his normal saiyan form superman can't do shit since he can only hit goku can do 100 stuff more
@GanGsTerR4Live no he cannot. goku is a dust speck on supermans shoe. deal with it fanboy i have given you enough proof, it's time to be a man and suck it up. your beloved goku is not all power and he is not even close top being as powerful as supes.
@NANOFORGE Good ol NANOFORGE.Still trolling this video.I remember when I first came to Youtube a little over a year and a half ago and you were ass raped on this video daily,and once you saw the coast was clear you came back
@wisewarriormuzic I was ass raped, bahahahah oh yes I remeber you got a new account, and no I was never ass raped, it is impossible for me to have been ass raped because Goku cannot win, GTF over it, superman wins, even post crisis will pizz own Goku. The dragon has limits to its abilites too, and it is only immortal to time, it can still be destroyed as it has. "This Goku is on the level of Marvel cosmic beings and light years out of Kal El's league" Prove it or fuck off.
@NANOFORGE lol you're the most pathetic piece of shit you're the fanboy you cant handle that goku is 10000X stronger than superman in every way superman is shit compared to goku now go home an whine like a bitch... goku could destroy the entire solar system as a normal saiyan with spirit bomb if he made it enought strong
@GanGsTerR4Live I have read the entire DBZ manga and never once seen anyone of them blow a solar system up by sneezing. "goku could destroy the entire solar system as a normal saiyan with spirit bomb if he made it enought strong" Really is that why in the manga Goku threw a spirit bomb that had more energy than his SSJ3 form and it did'nt destroy a planet that had the same mass as the Earth. Goku is not as powerful as you DBZtards think he is. Superman >>>>> Goku.
@NANOFORGE ... no his spirit bomb is not as strong as a ssj3.... he had enought power to destroy the whole universe as a saiyan and in ssj the whole univeres .-.. now imagine him in ssj 4 wooow KAMEHAMEHAAAAAAAAAA TIMES 10X!!!! and his dragon fist in ssj 4 darm that could destroy superman overkill him now goku could destroy him in normal saiyan or ssj done Goku > Vegeta > Gohan > trunks>>>>>>>> SuperMan
@GanGsTerR4Live Goku was unable to defeat Buu with his SSJ3 form. Goku's spirit bomb must of had more power than his SSJ3 form otherwise it would'nt of destroyed Buu, and this very spirit bomb hit the planet, exploded and did'nt destroy it. Goku at SSJ4 was cut by glass, burned by Nova who is only as hot at the sun, was frozen and to top it off barely held a building up above his head using both hands while Supes held a sphere that was heavier than a star. Superman >>>>> DBU
@NANOFORGE could be but gohan had enought power to destroy the whole universe as a kid in ssj 2 .,... in cell saga and goku can destroy whole planet as a ssj
@GanGsTerR4Live Wrong. In the manga Cell stated that he could destroy the solar system with his full power and he was equally as powerful as SSJ2 Gohan. Superman can bust a solar system just by sneezing. That means Kryptonains can achieve SSJ2 level feats with a single sneeze, thats how much stronger Supes is over DBZ charatcers. Yes it's obvious that SSJ Goku could destroy a palnet seeing that Vegeta with a power level of 18,000 could destroy the Earth. Superman >>>>>>> DBU.
@NANOFORGE i dont get you shitty DBU fuck superman how tha hell can he destroy planet by sneezing that the most retardet thing ever !!! serious try to hear that now im going to sneeze and the universe will get destroyed... wtf screw superman you super saiyan are more epic anyway but Broly could actually get as strong ass ssj 4 gogeta or more the owner of the show said it himself but now am generous goku could destroy superman in ssj 3 form max kamehameha all these energy shots
@GanGsTerR4Live I'm sorry, but you are wrong about broly. Broly does have a limit, seeing as how his body was not able to contain the energy. He would lose to perfect cell.
@heretowatchvideos100 bullshit akira toriyama or whatever his name his claimed that broly when he was in his lssj form he kept getting power and could reach to be as strong as ssj 4 gogeta...
@GanGsTerR4Live I don't see whats the point of insulting me, but broly is said always, even by hardcore DBZ fans such as vegito1089, to be lower than perfect cell. His power was overflowing, not increasing. And I am a fanboy, how? I give proof, facts, and such to say why a character wins. And to superman? To be a fanboy, you have to constantly go for him, I don't, And just because I think he can beat goku, does not mean I think he is the strongest. I know tons of characters who would beat both.
@heretowatchvideos100 The creators of both franchises should get together and make a movie about this.Some universe hopping villain should bring one and their friends into the other's universe and pit them against each other,they have a big ass epic fight,and before they kill each other learn the truth and own the bad guy together,then Bulma or some scientist sends them back to their universe
@wisewarriormuzic That would be pretty good. AKira and DC working together to make something epic. The villain could be superboy prime. And they get forced to fight, maybe the majin could control goku or superman.
@heretowatchvideos100 I agree, as a DBZ fan myself and I would aslo say Perfect Cell is more powerful than Broly. All it took was the combined power of 3-4 weakened Super Sayians and a Super Namek to blast a hole through Brolys stomach, even the Cell juniors who did'nt even possess half of Cell's power made Vegeta and Trunks who were Ascended Super Sayains look like a total Joke. To top it off Cell is smarter, can breathe in space and can regenerate is entire body.
@NANOFORGE If you remember in the middle of Frieza and Goku's battle he said "No one's ever hurt me like this since training with my father".Yes he did have martial arts experience.It's not like Frieza was some pansy that never got his hands dirty.He just usually never had to
@wisewarriormuzic Well nothing was stated of Frieza's fighting abilities other than his ability to destroy planets due to the enormous amount of chi stored in his body and that he had 4 biological forms each having acess to more of this chi. At SSJ, Goku's power level was only 30 million higher than Frezia's maximum. Therefore I suppose a large part of Goku's advantage over Frieza must of came from his fighting skills, so they do decide the victor as does sheer physical power.
@GanGsTerR4Live The problem with you GanGsterR4Live is that you don't listen to a damn thing anyone says but your own fanboy fantasys. You said SSJ2 Gohan could destroy a universe when the manga stated that the most an SSJ2 level character can do is solar system bust. You also spam non-canon to your hearts content and when you get proven wrong you cry like a little girl and start insulting people when it is'nt me you should be insulting, you don't even know anything baout DBZ.
@NANOFORGE i cry like a little girl? you dont know anything bout me FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOU FAMILLIE YOU CUNT YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A WORTHLESS SCUM YOU'RE AN ASSAULT TO MY HONOR YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LOSER WHO CAN'T GET PUSSY FUCK YOU AND YOU SUPERASS FUCK SUPERMAN MY DICK CAN BEAT HIM UP WHEN I SNEEZE I CAN MAKE YOU HEAD EXPLODE CAUSE IT'S CONTAINS C2 .... really get a life fuck you
@GanGsTerR4Live LMFAO All DBZtards end up doing this. capitalizing whole sentences and resorting to personal attacks when they're proven wrong and then proceed to cry like little girls and go on about honor or some other swan song bullshit. You lose, deal with it retard.
@NANOFORGE i'm sorry but ur comparing a guy who struggles at holding a plane back from crashing to a guy whose power when in super sayain 3 alone make the entire earth shake! there is no comparison and thus this argument is invalid!
@JTwergs I'm sorry but you are comparing a guy who shook the Earh when trying to reach his full power to someone who annilated an entrie solar system just by sneezing and this is one of Supermans low end feats. So that means Superman can achieve SSJ2 level feats just by sneezing. Yeah you are right, there is no comparison, Superman totally godstomps Goku allway across the multiverse and back again.
@NANOFORGE Superman sneezing awat a solar system isnt a low end you fucking faggot. Its the single greatest feat hes ever had and its an inconsistent outlier because all the other times hes sneezed didnt destroy anything. And even if we were to use high ends Goku still wins because hes a universe destroyer.
@TheSuccessfulHunk "Superman sneezing awat a solar system isnt a low end you fucking faggot" and it would take the full power of an SSJ2 character to do the same and this was stated in the manga. So SSJ2 full power = a sneeze from Supes. Goku has not fought anyone who could universe bust, the strongest character Goku fought was Buu who took years to destroy a galaxy, Supes beat Doomsday who defeated seveal galaxy busters at once, Superman wins you dibble chinned cunt..
@NANOFORGE "So SSJ2 full power = a sneeze from Supes." Okay, that isn't really saying anything seeing as Supermans most destructive feats are breath based attacks and he uses his lungs like DBZ characters use ki.
@pant104 you are wrong. the fucking people were also affected by magic powder and they didn't destroy cars, buildings or cities while they were sneezing. Superman is not invulnerable to magic so that magic powder caused him to sneeze with great force. superman has other feats where He uses his super breath to push a planet from outer space or to extinguish a sun. Precrisis superman can wipe out DB universe easily.
@TheCryforjustice Nope power cannot magically increased when there is none.Superman's feats are a joke compared to dbz feats.I suppose he could wipe out Db universe easily as for Dbz...Frieza 1rst form crushes him
@pant104 "Superman's feats are a joke compared to dbz feats" What kind retard are you huh?. When has anyone from DBZ ever held a mulitverse in their hands, when has anyone in DBZ nearly destroyed reality by accident, when has anyone from DBZ ever tanked a punch as powerful as 1,000 galaxies to the face, when has anyone from DBZ ever held a pulsar in their hands as eaisly as holding a polystyrene ball, When has DBZ done any of this. NEVER, shut the fuck up and sit down. Fucking owned.
@NANOFORGE Never needed to to do most of these thing because they were busy fighting enemies superman wouldn't even dream of handling...going by simple powerscaling logic which you lack they can do all these things and then some.Buu was about to destroy the universe and Vegito stopped him with a punch.Fucking PWNED!!!
@NANOFORGE About this whole "blow up the solar system" thing. Cell said he could blow up the solar system, yes. But he never said he could do this in one attack. All he said is that he had enough ki energy to do it; he never clarified by what means. Therefore, all this talk about how Cell has an attack that can destroy the entire solar system is worseless and pointless. Also, if DBZtards buy that Cell's blast was big enough to blow up the entire Solar System then they have to say..
@NANOFORGE ...that Cell was planning to kill himself. Cell didn't think he would be able to survive a blast that would blow up the Earth, he though he was gonna kill himself when he tried to self destruct. Instead though, Cell barely survived the blast and healed. Now, if Cell barely survived that blast that was big enough to blow up the world, do DBZtards really think that he thought he could survive a solar system busting blast ? (1000 of times stronger than exploding planet)
@TheCryforjustice "(1000 of times stronger than exploding planet)" Solar system busting attacks are much higher than that. 8,000 years of the suns power output is enough to destory the Earth 2,150 times. Supernova explosions possess more powerful than our sun would generate in it's enitre 14 billion years lifespan. A solar system busting attack would destroy the Earth quadrillions of times over.
@pant104 You have not refuted or denied my claim. superman destroyed a solar system in his own power; Superman is invulnerable in nature, He can't get sick as ordinary human being. but the magic force can penetrate his invulnerability. superman can move a planet focusing his breath through a planet or extinguish a sun with his breath. goku applying a great mount of Ki against cooler he can´t destroy the sun. goku fighting broly, combined his power with gohan and trunks didn't destroy..
@pant104 the sun. GT ssj4 goku fighting baby, launched a great KI power against the sun to extinguish a baby (inside right there) and the sun didn`t explode. levelings powers: Kryptonians are elephants but Saiyans are cockroaches .
Prove it was his own power!When people take sreroids they are not assumed to have natural strenght!If an ant took steroids it wouldn't be noticable so your arguement that people are unaffected is invalid.Goku also didn't destroy the earth with blasts at ssj3 that doesn't mean he can't.You think Goku would want destroy the sun?that's fucking stupid.Again in movie 10 they did not wish for the sun to be destroyed nor they focused their power on it.Stop trying to downplay Dbz with stupid examples
@pant104 I already did it but you can't read between the lines. Superman in his own power can move planets or extinguish suns using his breath without breaking a sweat, his stupid super-breath! ( No magic dust affecting him). but in this case superman explains: "that magical sneezing-powder is about to make me sneeze! " I must leave earth quick.. before..! my "super-sneeze is destroying this solar system"..Mr. MXYZPTLK didn't say anything about amplyfing powers with that magic powder..
@pant104 the People were sneezing uncontrollably near each other and they didn´t destroy cars,buildings, cities or themself each other. If this had side effects (5th dimensional effects) at least the Sneezing of people could change or alter our reality but this wasn't so. mr. Mxyzptlk was only doing a prank to superman.
@TheCryforjustice Doesn't need to say anything it is an unexpected side effect!But even if that's the case still a ssj2 obliterates superman with a cockslap since ssj1 1 hit powns Galaxy busters!
@pant104 Wrong wrong WRONG!!!. The manga stated that it woudl take the full power of a SSJ2 character to destroy a solar system, Superman did this just by sneezing and that was one of his LOW END FEATS!!. So thats means SSJ2 full power = A sneeze from Superman. Do you understand that or am I going to fast for you.
WRONG WRONG AND SO WRONG! Manga never stated such a thing.Cell just had no interest in destroying more than the solar system but that doesn't mean that he couldn't!Unless you think Brolly who busts Galaxies is 1000 times stronger than Cell.Superman's low end feats?That's the guy who gets hit by bullets and gets his ass kicked by batman and Luthor right?Dbz has consistant superior feats while superman has over 90% of pathetic ones.Gohan ssj2 would dismember superman with his pinky
@pant104 WRONG WRONG WRON WRONG!. In the manga Cell stated that his power could destroy the solar system and he was SSJ2 level. If Cell had won the beam struggle with Gohan he would of gone around destroying planets. Broly is not canon, AT even non of the movies are canon. Superman destroyed a solar system with a sneeze, something that would take the max of an SSJ2, no one in the entire DBZ series has displayed the ability to do once so DBZ feats are no now way superior to supermans.
@NANOFORGE All WRONG!If it was stated in the manga that cell can destroy a fly with your way of thinking that would be his max.If Brolly is not cannon then precrysis is not cannon too!But that is like saying Brolly >>>>ssj3 Goku because he busted a galaxy so no.With a simple math calculaltion Dbz can destroy the universe as Vegito prevented super buu from doing!.Conclusion: No superman doesn't have what it takes to match ssj2 Gohan not destructive wise not speed wise and certainly not skill wise
@TheCryforjustice Superman is vulnerable to magic. Info from DC/Mortal Combat Cross over. At the end superman realizes that he is still very much vulnerable to magic.
@TheCryforjustice Wrong you flaming homosexual. Supermans powers come from his breath, he uses his super breath like DBZ fighters use ki blasts so that was supermans most powerful attack. And Broly destroyed an entire galaxy and Goku is a billion times stronger than Broly. Goku kills Superfag easily and all the Supercomicvirgins squeal in agony.
@TheNiggestTroll what a joke! Your nickname says it all, I don't have to answer stupid things that have already been disproved/ debunked for years. (forums on internet). bye troll.
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the DBZ characters do have a huge destruction range but do not want to destroy earth and Goku doesnt want to destroy any innocent life (that why the Spirit Bomb only destroyed the size of what it was and when Vegeta sacrificed himself his strongest attack didnt obliterate earth
justplainly 1 day ago
Kid Buu took a total count of about 100-200 blasts to destroy the galaxy on screen. This means he can destroy millions of star systems in 1 blast. This means that when he condenses his Earth destroying attack into a planet sized explosion the explosion is centillions of monkeyplexes times smaller. What this means is that it is condensed all into so much smaller area that it actually unleashes the damage of a focused UNIVERSE BUSTER! If you cant comprehend it then ur a Superman fan aka a virgin!
TheNiggestTroll 3 days ago
@TheNiggestTroll said: " Kid Buu took a total count of about 100-200 blasts to destroy the galaxy on screen." ....Would you mind posting some Youtube-video URL-address where we can see your claims?.(kid buu using 100-200 KI blats to destroy a galaxy) or I remember anime fillers and after Super Buu-han fighting, appeared Kid Buu and He was destroying planet by planet looking for Goku & vegeta. and Kid buu became involved in the explosions .(surviving with regeneration technique)
polimaniatico 3 days ago
@TheNiggestTroll kid buu was also using Instant transmission (kibitoShin teleportation) to travel planet by planet So kid buu at least needs to be very close to the planets or inside their atmospheres to try to destroy them . Goku would need to use " IT " (IT is teleportation and requires focus, ) to do the same way. or interstellar KI beams but we forgot to add the inconsistency with the ki blasts. These must To be far faster than light to travel vast astronomical distances..
polimaniatico 3 days ago
@TheNiggestTroll ..2) to have precission and the KI blast-shock wave cover huge distances to affect the surrounding planets.I doubt it completely.
polimaniatico 3 days ago
@polimaniatico /watch?v=jQ3u16tvPFk theres the vid of him DOMINATING a galaxy. Those attacks where he condenses his galaxy level attacks into planet sized explosions are as powerful as universe busters because hes condensing star system busters into planet sized attacks.
TheNiggestTroll 3 days ago
@TheNiggestTroll This anime-filler doesn´t mean Majin Buu destroyed a whole galaxy in one shot or the english dub didn't say nothing about your "attacks where he condenses his galaxy level attacks into planet sized explosions" as your imagination makes you write, here. in the manga (canon source) states :" In only a few years, he destroyed several hundred planets". (Chapter 446 Volume 37 page 13) but
That is an incorrect translation it states in the Japanese Original....
polimaniatico 2 days ago
@TheNiggestTroll ..."Majin Buu had no reason or emotion. He did nothing but destroy and massacre repeatedly. He was a monster born only to bring terror. In a matter of years, hundreds of planets were turned into planets of death." ....we know kid buu is a multi-planet buster but one by one as he did it when he was majin buu and after being kid-buu looking for goku & vegeta. the galaxy being destroyed scene means MajinBuu can destroy planet by planet = a galaxy in 1000s of years.
polimaniatico 2 days ago
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TheSuccessfulHunk 2 days ago
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@polimaniatico Bro, no one gives a fuck about your shitty little manga. When people search Goku vs Superman they're thinking of Goku from the DBZ anime they watched as a kid. Not Superman vs Son Gokou-san from some Japanese manga which has a shitload of inaccurate English translations. If you want to debate comics only then go to some nerdy forum that has rules supporting your dumbass "manga canon only" arguments. Leave youtube to the normal people. Kay?Thnxbai.
FireFlameSpittuh 2 days ago
u shouldve made the kill easier. goku is way faster and he can teleport. he wouldnt just stand there and take a hit. goku is also stronger. and has energy blasts. superman has laser eyes.
thefirstbeast 1 week ago
Many boys have seen Dragonball and they have been excited from the fact that the characters of DB destroy whole mountains and they make city explode, of Superman instead they have seen only or above all the animate series for children of the Warner Bros, where SM throws down at the most a skyscraper, therefore it is clear that according to them Goku is very more powerful person of Superman if they believe both that of the animate series of the WB
BoxeAndWrestling 1 week ago
but if they followed the comic strip they would know that the steel man can move a planet, he can withstand to cosmic explosions and him he can win the strength of a black hole, this whole Goku cannot even do absolutely it as Super Sayan of 4 ^ level, therefore Superman would defeat without too many problems any version of Goku.
BoxeAndWrestling 1 week ago
Let me count the ways:pre crisis superman wins, superman prime wins, current superman wins, superman fused with KISMET wins, superman red and blue wins, superman red son? wins, superman prime one million lol god stomps, superman with the sword of superman wins, cyborg superman wins. cosmic armor superman wins. all these guys with complete ease demolish goku. only versions that i know of that goku can beat are golden age and the cartoon.
heretowatchvideos100 1 week ago
@Gibson188G.True but DC and Marvel characters are always being pushed and surpassing their powers and abilities as well.Especially someone like Superman.As of comics,still shows no limit on what he can do.The kryptonian is force to be noticed.
EchavarriaJr 2 weeks ago
So debating more realistic what-if fights is the better option :)
Gibson188G 2 weeks ago
This would be a tough one. But the DBZ universe character's powers never stay the same, the characters are constantly surpassing each other all the time.
Gibson188G 2 weeks ago
Dudes...Superman's feats are astonishing!Any DBZ fan...list Goku's greatest feats of strength,durability,stamina and speed.And Ill list Superman's.Then we shall compare*
EchavarriaJr 2 weeks ago
Obviously the majority of DBZ fans don't know how powerful Superman really is.
EchavarriaJr 2 weeks ago
@EchavarriaJr They know jack shit about DBZ aswell dude. I have delt with their bullshit for years, it gets tiresome after a while.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
Superman wins.Easily.
EchavarriaJr 2 weeks ago
Kryptonian muscle is far more stronger(immeasurable),faster(up to million times FTL),way more durable(impenetratable molecular structure) and way more advanced in every aspect!The kryptonian has no limit,of course COMIC ADAPTION!!!
EchavarriaJr 2 weeks ago
Goku is obviously far superior.
Type in the search bar "Goku vs" and a bunch of DBZ villains will pop up. Type in "superman vs" and one of the top search options will be "superman vs goku" GOKU IS THE BAR STANDARD OF COMBAT HERO GODLYNESS IN FICTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MysticIceBlood 2 weeks ago
End of story to all of you goku wins no matter what just leave it be if you want to argue more take it up with the creators of DbZ and the creators of Superman
ThaTwinkie 2 weeks ago
Goku would win. The sayians were born to fight. Goku fights people who has the power to destroy planets. Superfag has the power to fight muggers and bank robbers. People say o superfag fast though. Wtf he got his ass beat from hulk and the hulk is a slow ass motherfucker. Yea goku will win every fight with superfag.
JohnnyAshtrayCrave 2 weeks ago
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FACT: Kid Buu and Broly destroyed galaxies
FACT: Goku is superior to Broly and on par with Kid Buu
FACT: Buu saga Vegito is billions of times the power of Buu saga Goku (potara fusion multiplies the powers of the 2 fusees and Goku and Vegeta both had power levels of over 6 billion at the time)
FACT: Above statements deduce the fact that Vegito is billions of times the power of galaxy destroyers
FACT: GT Goku > Vegito
FACT: Goku beats Superman
FACT: UMADSUPERFAGS!!!!
TheSuccessfulHunk 2 weeks ago 5
@TheSuccessfulHunk
FACT: Kid Buu destroyed a galaxy through chain reaction which took years and Broly is not canon
FACT: Goku is weaker than Kid Buu
FACT: There is no mention of Vegtio being a billion times stronger than Goku.
FACT: Vegtio, and every other DBZ character has not even displayed the ability to even destroy a Star.
FACT: GT Goku is not stronger than Vegtio because he is not canon.
FACT: Superman beats anyone from DBZ with ease
FACT: UMADDBZFAGS!!!!
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE
1: That would still put him at multi-star system level which still supports my claims and Broly pwns u CHUMP
2: So? He's still close to Kid Buus level
3: Yes there is, the manga and guide book say potara fusion is Goku*Vegeta=Vegito, both their power levels are in the billions so Vegito is about 6 billion times stronger than Goku
4: Yes they have, Kid Buu and Goku have both destroyed stars on-screen and Cell can destroy a solar system
5: Vegito kills him w/ his pinky
6: No
TheSuccessfulHunk 2 weeks ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk Kid buu didn´t destroy a galaxy. That was a anime filler. Talking about canonical sources ( manga DBZ tonkounbon-japanese edition) it was state that kid buu destroy many planets in few years. Broly didn´t destroy a galaxy. most of your arguments are based on errors of translation and dubbing. Ocean group and funimation didn´t translate correctly Tv specials, movies, Tv episodes. King Kai said: "The south galaxy was under attack" stupid english dub said:" the south galaxy was..
polimaniatico 2 weeks ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk ..destroyed". The entire movie took place in the south galaxy and there were many intact planets. It is stupid to think that if Broly can destroy a galaxy he can't beat goku with a single attack and goku needed steal the powers of his friends to face broly. Vegito has more KI power than kid buu or broly but that doesn´t mean Vegito is millions times faster or a multi-galaxy buster. GT DB = crappy TOEI idea. DBZ goku >>> GT goku.
polimaniatico 2 weeks ago
@polimaniatico ...Destroying your argument continued... Yeah, there were a few planets remaining, planets are but dust moats in the vastnest of a galaxy. If you destroy something, it doesn't mean you completely atomize it. And as for Vegito, it was stated in the guidebook that potara fusion is Goku x Vegeta = Vegito. I could send you the proof in PM if you'd like. And I agree that DBZ > GT in terms of writing, but power scaling puts GT far superior in power.
TheSuccessfulHunk 2 weeks ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk You fail again, you "galactic bursting scene" was never shown as a large explosion or a total blinding flash as it should be in a galaxy exploding.certainly not in a single ki blast as many Broly-fanboys would try and make you believe. the scene is shown as a galaxy fading out to black. I have daizenshuu books (spanish, english,french) so I know DBZ power levels and Know akira toriyama had nothing to do with anime fillers (non canon events)..
polimaniatico 1 week ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk talking about daizenshuu EX and daizenshuu 7, there are few interviews with toriyama. He explains what he thinks about anime. translated from French into English (summary): Toriyama is not saying that the anime and manga are the same thing. He is saying that he didn't do shit on the anime, his collaborators were the ones who created the anime and created stories as known as fillers that don't exist on the original manga and Toriyama simply explained that....
polimaniatico 1 week ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk... have not read the manga don't need to worry since you can get into the world of Dragonball by watching the anime or the manga. They are different ways to enjoy his story where the anime has some extra stories (as known as fillers)". akira toriyama also made characters design in chrono trigger -video game but this doesn't mean Crono trigger is current to his work DBZ.(drawn and scripted by himself) The same goes for DB GT & TV specials , movies. = non canon.
polimaniatico 1 week ago
@polimaniatico Are you retarded or something? Why do you need to write 5 comments to spew out what can be summed up into a short paragraph? And TOEI has the rights and license to DBZ and all written filler scenes in the anime were oversaw and approved by Toriyama.
TOEI & even Funimation Dub portrayal >>>>>>> You
TheSuccessfulHunk 1 week ago
@polimaniatico Anime is just as canon as manga as stated by the author Akira Toriyama himself. And, yes, Broly did destroy a galaxy you fucking dumb-ass: the supposed "debunk" video of Brolys galaxy busting just had cherry-picked scenes showing Kai merely state "it was under attack" when if you watched the full movie subs they actually stated he galaxy busted in later parts. Broly has massive downplayers. Not to mention the galaxy was shown being destroyed on-screen. Dumbass.
TheSuccessfulHunk 2 weeks ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk No I'm not you are the dumbass. you fail!. research about original japanese version. Broly didn`t destroy a galaxy but You don't seem to differentiate between hyperbole and reality. the hyperbole scene "galaxy being destroyed no make sense because according to the Amplified perspective-scene the whole galaxy rotated at least 60 degrees, it means thousands of years in time So Broly must die of old age.LOL chek out on youtube watch?v=rpHdgn3UaBc get over it
polimaniatico 1 week ago
@polimaniatico
>Galaxy was rotating so thousands of years MUST HAVE PASSED
>Acting as if the artists for DBZ know anything about astronomy
FAIL!
Even if ur a retard who is deaf and cant read, you should be able to comprehend that Broly destroyed that galaxy. It showed the galaxy being erased on screen, true it wasnt in 1 blast, but he still destroyed billions of stars in only a few years.
TheSuccessfulHunk 1 week ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk @TheSuccessfulHunk " Galaxy was rotating so thousands of years must have passed". = This was what I said earlier. For the galaxy can rotate that way, must spend thousands of years or planets and solar systems must move thousands of times faster than light, too. Then Toei's Movies no make sense or DBZ-fans don't know how to interpret a hyperbole scene. Please check out this video and comments from the author /watch?v=rpHdgn3UaBc
polimaniatico 3 days ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk kid Buu being stronger than perfect Cell, He Destroyed hundreds of planets in few years but never an entire galaxy. (canon source = manga). I did my homework so I made my mathematical calculations. for example If Kid Buu could destroy a planet for each second lapsed. He He would take 5,073.5 years or 5 Centuries to destroy all the planets in our galaxy (160,000,000,000 to 200,000,000,000 planets). But there are limitations such as He can't take any second..
polimaniatico 3 days ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk...of rest (unlimited stamina, Ki Power), 2) KI Energy attacks and KI shock waves traveling Billions of times faster than light per millisecond.(100,000 light years ahead). 3) Ability to know the location of each planet. 4) Faster than light Travel-speed or Teleportation. But in the anime there were many powerful KI attacks that ended up coming off the planet and didn´t destroy a solar System, not even close a galaxy. Anyway I already gave my opinion. bye sir.
polimaniatico 3 days ago
@polimaniatico Por qué le haces caso a los trolls de dragón ball? tu sabes que ellos jamás dejaran de escribir estupideces basados en su fanatismo desmedido hacia Goku. Son incapaces de ver más allá de sus narices. no saben ni analizar un argumento o guión de una serie animada. Don't feed Goku-lovers. they' are trolling us, all the time.
TheCryforjustice 3 days ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk U ARE THE FAG THAT LIVES IN THE TV...
Spartan0339 1 week ago
@Spartan0339 Wow, that was clever. It's pretty clear that you are a genius.
TheSuccessfulHunk 1 week ago
Goku wins duh
Leinadarom 3 weeks ago
@Leinadarom Superman wins duh.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@Fluffypopcicle said: "There isn´t a fictional character in history stronger than goku"...Now we know you are DBZ fanboy.
polimaniatico 3 weeks ago
I think everybody with half a brain knows that Goku would win. There isn't a fictional character in history stronger than Goku minus the DBZ villains that he had to fuse with Vegeta to beat and God if you want to count him as a fictional character.
Fluffypopcicle 3 weeks ago
@Fluffypopcicle "There isn't a fictional character in history stronger than Goku " That is a load of bollacks, there are hundreds of characters that make Goku look like a total joke and many versions of Superman are amongst them. And you actually think Goku can beat God!!!?, Goku can beat Transendent, Infinite and divine power?. Goku is not even a speck of dust next to God, God can destroy all of reality even easier than you or I would blink. I am totally flabbergastered.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE
Besides God, and I'm a Christian so I don't believe him to be fictional. Congratulations, you offended me due to your lack of consideration towards my religious beliefs. Asshole.
Fluffypopcicle 2 weeks ago
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@Fluffypopcicle You don't seem to grasp how powerful God really is. God is infintie in every way. It has every super power you can possibly name and it will be infinitley stronger than anyone elses. Nothing, no being can defeat such an entity . And There are fictional versions of God in both the DC and Marvel universes, The Presence and The One above all. So God can technically be considered fictional, and sorry you got offended but there was no need for insults.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
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@NANOFORGE
"I'm a Christian so I don't believe him to be fictional" this is my comment. "You don't seem to grasp how powerful God really is" this your comment after my comment. You're not only an (unintentional) asshole, you're also incredibly stupid.
Fluffypopcicle 2 weeks ago
Nappa: Whats his powerlevel vegeta
Vegeta: Damn you nappa for the first time its under 9000!!
Superman: WTF
milad015 3 weeks ago
reading the new rebooted DC Universe, In Action Comics #5 when baby superman (within a rocket) is arriving to earth, the spaceship makes a reading of the earth's environment and describes the earth with a gravity 0,20 Krypton (it means gravity of earth = 9,8m/s2 = G ) So Kripton = 4.900 m/s2 = 500x G. baby superman in the natural krypton enviroment can withstand 500G easily. while Saiyans had to train hard at 300G (manga) and 450G (anime filler) to be stronger. LOL kryptonians >>>>saiyans..
polimaniatico 3 weeks ago
@polimaniatico Umm,yeah,but that training is so old,Vegeta was doing it when he was trying to go Super Saiyan.So,in his base state he was doing 450G.Considering that Saiyans can raise their power to the Super Saiyan 4,about 500 times stronger then their base state,Superman doesnt stand a chance against that much power :)
TheRageFury 2 weeks ago
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@TheRageFury Superman has held a universe in his hands, Superman has also held a blackhole in his hands that weighed more than the Earth, Superman has also survived in the core of a double blackhole, and blackholes have virtually infinite gravity. Super Sayian 4 does'nt officialy exist and it was never stated that in makes them 500 times more powerful either. In reality no-one from DBZ stands a chance against a guy who can survive in a balckhole and not get his atoms ionized.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE You make no sense,how officialy Super Saiyan 4 doesnt exist? o.O It is never stated man,but It's just math,anyone who know anything about Dragon Ball know that each next Saiyan transformation is 50-100 times stronger then the last one,that was stated.The only advantage Superman would have is that he can breathe in space,but I really doubt that would much help him with Goku's "instant transmission".And not to mention they can fuse
TheRageFury 2 weeks ago
@TheRageFury SSJ4 does'nt official exist because it is not canon. The most powerful from a Sayian can reach is SSJ3. The only Super Sayian form that has it's boost stated was the first. You really don't know antyhing about Superman. As I said the manga stated that it would take the full power of an SSJ2 level character to destroy a solar system and Supermancan do this just by sneezing. When has Goku/, He has'nt. SUperman also fought omnipotent beings and won. Superman >>>> Goku.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE I can see all your tries to bury SSJ4 as not existed,but Super Saiyan 4 exist,shall I show you the videos of him,and Gogeta SSJ4?They are not created by Akira Toriyama but that doesnt mean they not exist,what you say is very stupid,It is the same If I told Superman from some episodes is not real,and dont exist because he had another creator.You have your opinion,and thats ok,but it is very childish to say SSJ4 doesnt exist just to make Goku weaker.
TheRageFury 2 weeks ago
@TheRageFury "I can see all your tries to bury SSJ4 as not existed," IT'S NOT CANON, what part of that are you struggling to grap, using non offical information just complicates things due to incosistances. SSJ4 Goku was burned by Nova who was as hot as the suns surface, he was Frozen, cut by glass, blinded and to top it off stuggled to hold a building above him using both hands. None of this would hurt supes not to mention supes held a building with only his pinky.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE GT is canon as a sequel to the DBZ anime. No, Akira Toriyama himself did not write it, but he did oversee its production on provide input into it.Akira Toriyama himself draw character of Super Saiyan 4 so how that can possible be non-cannon.Goku and every equal to him,can destroy whole solar system with one blast,we can see Vegeta destroying planet with one lousy blast at the very begining,before Super Saiyans.Superman just got beaten by Hulk,its ridicolous.
TheRageFury 2 weeks ago
@TheRageFury yup, but after the cell saga vegeta was training at 450G and he couldn´t do so easily. he was struggling a bit there. 450G means that vegeta was struggling with his own weigh (about 27 tonnes). also I remember Goku needed his ssj1 form to lift 40 tonnes. Superman can lift & pull millions of tonnes with ease. They are much weaker than Kryptonians in terms of physical strength. ssj4 is non canon he was struggling to lift a simple building and his greatest strenght-feat was ...
polimaniatico 2 weeks ago
@TheRageFury ..lift a small street intersection with difficulty. Superman would shatter goku with ease.
polimaniatico 2 weeks ago
@polimaniatico mmm that what you say is little correct,little not,Vegeta was training at 450G before Cell saga,If I remember good.But still,Goku can destroy whole solar system with one blast,and I think Superman couldnt survive that,Saiyans are much more stronger If you calculate their Ki blasts,not only physical strenght :)
TheRageFury 2 weeks ago
@TheRageFury Kryptonians from current Superman comics state that they were BORN and RAISED on Krypton with 500 times Earth's gravity in orbit of a RED SUN. Superman gains power by yellow stars so by the time he became an adult he obviously would of been alot stronger. plus he held black holes in the palm of his hand and destroyed them, Silver age also escaped a full stellar black hole which puts him in a league of his own.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE Yes,but he cannot destroy whole galaxie with blast like Broly,he would eat the black hole.Or maybe he can?
TheRageFury 2 weeks ago
@TheRageFury Broly is NOT FUCKING CANON!!, NON OF THE MOVIES ARE NOR IS GT/ How many times do you fucking low life idiots need to be told this. For fuck sake. And Broly never destroyed a Galaxy seeing that the Z Fighters fought him there.
NANOFORGE 1 week ago
@NANOFORGE Broly destroyed couple of galaxies,before Z Fighters stop him,If you didnt know there isnt just one galaxy even in real life,especialy not in anime.So you suck bro
TheRageFury 1 week ago
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@TheRageFury "Goku can destroy whole solar system with one blast,and I think Superman couldnt survive that" GET A FUCKING CLUE FOR CHIRST SAKE, You people are fucking impossible. Superman has tanked EXPLODING STARS!!! and not even been phased by it, Superman has withstood NEBULAS EXPLODING and those are light years across. READ A FUCKING COMIC BOOK YOU STUPID DBZFANFUCK.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
Seriously, trying to convince the entire internet is a waste of time, when obviously people are hungry to see how their powers really compare regardless of how a single fight ends
DoctorTopper 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE stop being rude to people and start asking people to ask the character owners at their website and by fan mail. Besides Superman issues where he is stupidly powerful before 1986 are non canon anyways. And now everything before September 2011 is non canon so NOBODY CAN KNOW unless the character owners answer fan mail about this topic.
DoctorTopper 3 weeks ago
@DoctorTopper I'm not rude to anyone, They are rude to me. If they are being rude to me I think I have every right to fireback. It's not my fault they take being proven wrong so seriously. GanGsTeR4Live is the proof, he is the proof as to why everyone hates the DBZ fanbase. He got proven wrong and now he has started the insulting phase because his is an immature little dibble chinned kuckle dragging fairy. He is the very example of a fanboy.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE Don't forget the other fanboys that keep stating that Goku can beat God with the dragonballs just by wishing him away, and those that say that Goku can beat God with the Dragon's Fist.Those are another perfect examples of stupid idiotic fanboys.
TheMKVSDBZFAN1 3 weeks ago
@TheMKVSDBZFAN1 Goku can beat the christian god?. So these idiots think Goku can defeat divine transcendent power?. Power than can destroy reality so easily our human minds could'nt comprehend it even if it was explained to us. These guys are totally retarded. They should be locked up. There is something seriously wrong with someone if they think someone like Goku can defeat someone who is infinite in every single possible and impossible way.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE Exactly. They should get their videos removed or get banned from YouTube that keep on saying that a fictional character like Goku that can beat someone that is infinitly more powerful.
TheMKVSDBZFAN1 3 weeks ago
@TheMKVSDBZFAN1 I lol I got some idiot PM me a video of the top 25 most powerful heros ever. Guess who he put as number one, If you guessed Goku you would be right. The DBZfanbase is the worst by far, they are ever worse than Naruto fanboys and even more retarded that Twilight ones. I used to be a huge DBZfan but because of the fanbase I left it. I refuse to be part of a fanbase with people that think Goku is more powerful than the bloke who created all of reality.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE Star trek fanboys are the worst ones, though.
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
@heretowatchvideos100 Really you think so?. I have debated one over who would win out of Star Wars and Star Trek and they did'nt seem to bad, the stated facts etc, they weren't like DBZtards who make up shit etc.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE You need to meet their Q fanboys, they think he is unstoppable.
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
@heretowatchvideos100 Oh yes Q lol. Yeah I remeber some Trek fans who stated Q is omnipotent, when Ben Sisko punched him and Quinn also even admitted the Q's are not omnipotent.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE Yeah lol. Well, on this vid its pretty much said and done, supes wins.
Storm fanboys are just as bad too, I mean, Phoenix?
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
@heretowatchvideos100 Yeah another thing about Trek fans is that they claim all federation ships are immune to lasers, dispite the fact the enterprise was cut up by a Borg laser weapon lol. Yeah that storm a low teir vs one of the most powerful charcters in the entire Mavel universe?. lol Storm fanboys *shakes head*.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE
Wow, somebody said Goku could beat God? Look, I'm a DBZ fan and have hung around countless DBZ fans, they aren't generally that ignorant.
Fluffypopcicle 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE Nano, leave that gangster dude alone. He is clearly a troll, he is probably laughing since he literally has been contradicted and has no proof. If he is bothering you, just block him.
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE not extactly vulnerable as human humans cause he only gets bruized by bullets isnt KOd by axes stuck in his skull. Rocks only hurt his body if smashed into fast by Freeza Krillin Goten or Majin Vegeta. Gokus needs to defend his body or Ki shield & add Ki to hits against enemy Ki shields. Less like KalEl more like Maxima or Braniac
DoctorTopper 3 weeks ago
@DoctorTopper Yeah Goku as an Oozaru was knocked out by a Missile at one point too but his power level was only 100 at the time. It obvious that with a higher power level comes a higher level ki barrier which can withstand more powerful attacks.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
Somebody please just ask Akira Toriyama by mailing Shonen Jump and ask DC my messaging their website contact page
DoctorTopper 3 weeks ago
it wasn't pre crisis Kal El who was KOd smashed between two planets it was post crisis Kal El in "The Death of The New Gods" in 2008. Thats why post crisis Kal El could get KOd by regular Saiyan Goku's spam-able Ki beams which hurt worse than weaker characters' moon busting spam-able hand blasts. But Kal El's body is tougher than Goku's & Kal El can punch harder by flying fast.
DBfans forget Goku's body hurts from rocks if he doesn't protect his body with Ki & use Ki to hit opponent defense
DoctorTopper 3 weeks ago
@DoctorTopper "DBfans forget Goku's body hurts from rocks if he doesn't protect his body with Ki & use Ki to hit opponent defense" Yeah thats true because Goku had to actually dodge rocks Frezia was throwing at him. There is also the instance where Yajirobii slashed Vegetas back with his Katana after catching him off guard, this proves that sayains can be as vunerable as a human if caught of guard meaning the are no way near as invunerable as a kryptonain.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
imagin Toriyama draws a comic where Superman is mysteriously warped to dragonball manga world & Goku spars w him amazed how his body is so durable & it turns out it was SUPERBOY of EARTHPRIME who sent him there cuz he knows this debate in his/our world. Hes outraged that Superman didnt easily cream Goku. Superman barely holds Prime long enuf 4 Goku to throw SpiritBom made of red suns then warp Superman bak hom
DoctorTopper 3 weeks ago
it wasnt pre crisis kal el, it was post crisis kal el who got knocked out squished between planets in Death of the New Gods 200(8?)... Anyways, that means regular Saiyan Gokus spamming beams could KO Superman but people forget Gokus body can get hurt by rock if he dont shield his body & use a lot of Ki while punching
DoctorTopper 3 weeks ago
buu. Frieza was pretty much said not to train and only used brute strength, and buu only copies energy moves, such as kamehameha.
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT POWER SETS
Why don't DCfans get Clark's lifting power is aided by his flight & his punching power is less when it isn't a flying punch? Why don't DCfans get even though Clark isn't killed by novas he still gets KOd by moon-busting force? Why don't DCfans get the average Saiyan spams beams that hurt more than moon-busters beams?
Why don't DBfans get Saiyan bodies can hurt from rock smashing? Why don't they get they need to use their Ki to protect them & punch through defense?
DoctorTopper 3 weeks ago
please spread this. Toriyama sama said Z Fighters had limits to training muscle & thats why Goku & Gohan get hurt by rock smashing even in the Namek & Majin Saga. They train their Ki to protect their body & add strength but it uses up Ki. Post Crisis Supermans lifting power is aided by his gravity flight, but his muscle doesnt use up Ki for power. So Supermans body CLOBBERS Gokus but his lesser beams heavily damage Superman.
DoctorTopper 3 weeks ago
Planet of the truth is that superman is a thousand times gravity. Vegeta when he was unable to transform it trained four hundred and fifty times gravity.
Then Vegeta SuperSaiyan better than superman can move a thousand times gravity.
and it is still not fully substantiating the transformation.Power level 260.000.000
carl18shuffle 3 weeks ago
cool, a debate. Ok here is what i think then(huge DC comics and DBZ fan here). Supermans powers have been explained in great detail. Since there are more version of Superman i will just go for the silver age one. As for Goku, we only see him fight against people as strong as him or stronger, we don't really see what his strength and durability really is. Safe to say both can easily destroy a planet. Whether its as easy for Goku as it is for Superman is totally impossible to find out. Its a tie.
lionhead123 4 weeks ago
STOP being such haters to everyone. i say this would be cool cuz goku and all the dbz characters are awesome and much more powerful than the dc universe. but super man can sustain more as which to the point that ssj4 goku gets cut by glass. and full powered ssj goku gets hurt by a rock. so it would be a nice fight.
wassup395 4 weeks ago
@wassup395 AND no stupid things like superman will take him to space so he cant breathe or goku will just instant transmission super man becuz goku wouldve just dont that to Broly.(because broly cant breathe in space) and superman would've just done that to doomsday
wassup395 4 weeks ago
whats next? grover against hulk?? cme on
bernisweltredsun 4 weeks ago
I could careless who would win I just simply like Goku better cause Superman is really overrated
chazkelly97 4 weeks ago
Both have so many different powers besides strength to consider. It is OBVIOUSLY up to their creators how their many different powers compare in a fight.
EVERYONE please write to Shonen Jump and DC Comics letters page and ask these questions TOGETHER. DC and Akira Toriyama answer letters and maybe make a crossover comic when they realize READERS WILL SPEND MONEY ON A CROSSOVER.
DoctorTopper 1 month ago
People are still arguing? Once again, depends which version. Almost all the comic book versions of superman beat goku, goku beats cartoon, goldenage, movie, smallville, lois and clark, and the dark knight returns version.
heretowatchvideos100 1 month ago
the only way this fight would happen is if poison Ive was involved makeing superman evil it would make the fight better because it would give a reson to goku to push himself past his limits becomeing a super sayin 2 maybe even 3 super would have to bring some new stuff to the show it would be a fight for the ages i dont really now who would win it would come down to one move i think
OZ0808 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE I don't care if it was a stupid thing to say. This troll started on me and it's probably true he does seem like the lonely type
candog111 1 month ago
And seriously, what songs used in this video??
EchoSkeliton 1 month ago
Ok so I've been looking through this debate and i see a lot of people saying how much ass superman kicks.... but goku can kick some ass too! And he has. If he goes all out i think it would atleast be a tie. If he went ss5 he'd win. Plus it depends on the stakes... and how mad goku was. Cuz when he's serious he's dead serious! Goku kills. And his moral code is alot more loose then supermans. So... yeah...
EchoSkeliton 1 month ago
@EchoSkeliton So if Goku goes SSJ5 he becomes more than Superman?. Goku at SSJ4 Barely held a building above his head with both hands while Superman lifted the equivalent of a continent with one hand without even trying. Like I have said before. Superman is a universe buster and was given omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence. Even if Goku goes SSJ10 he will never beat an omnipotent being. Stop making excuses for Goku, he looses, and he allways will. Superman is far beyond him.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE LOOOOOOOOL honestly you the dumbest guy in the world a fucking normal saiyan can destroy planet with there blast superman can kiss my ass he only got strength goku at normal saiyan can destroy supermans ugly ass since he just do a kamehameha or another blast and beside goku is 10x faster and he fight's 100x time's better you can't argue on that since superman fights like my ass and superman will beg goku to kill him after he totured him yea superman is not even comparable to saiyan
GanGsTerR4Live 1 month ago
@GanGsTerR4Live It's quite obviosuly that you know little to nothing about superman so therefore I cannot take you seriously in anyway shape or form.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE oh really i know about superman he is shit ... goku or vegeta normal saiyan form would destroy superman and if not then ssj 1 should do it if you thing how many specials blast a saiyan got and how strong they are can destroy planets with one little shot and goku and vegeta both of them can destroy the entire solar system so can superman do that lol hell naw superman would be doomed his not comparable to them
GanGsTerR4Live 1 month ago
@GanGsTerR4Live You really don't know shit about Superman. Once Goku becomes strong enough to push stars around, is able to survive without substanance, is able to survive in space, is able to destroy solar systems just be sneezing, is able to fight one on one with beings who possessed the power of the Big Bang and is to tank supernova level explosions without even being harmed then we will have a debate, until then sit down, get to the back of the queue and shut the fuck up.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE he can survive in space how tha hell would vegeta fly in space i saw it myself and goku's dad flew in space without dying.. so they can superman is not match it's as simple as it is man stop fucking around
GanGsTerR4Live 1 month ago
@GanGsTerR4Live The first time planet busting was displayed was Vegeta's galik gun. None of the movies are canon either plus it's inconstant seeing that Frezia almost drowned Goku and stated several times that Sayains cannot survive without air. What is simple is that Superman is far beyond anything in DBZ, he and Captain Marvel held the equiavalet of the universe, now as a reader of the DBM and a fan of Goku have I seen Goku display the ability to do this?. The answer is no.
NANOFORGE 1 month ago
@NANOFORGE could be but his father and vegeta was in space flying.... and survived goku would whoop superman ass in max ssj 2
GanGsTerR4Live 1 month ago
@GanGsTerR4Live Like I said those were non-canon instances. You need to learn what it really looks like up there, it will only take an altitude of 16 kilometers until you see nothing but darkness and the Earth's atmosphere is 100 kilometers high. It stated in the manga that Super Perfect Cell could destroy a solar system at his max power and he was SSJ2 level, something superman could do just by sneezing. So that means Superman can achieve SSJ2 level feats with just a sneeze.
NANOFORGE 4 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE i seen al db and dbz and goku could destroy the whole world as in his normal saiyan form superman can't do shit since he can only hit goku can do 100 stuff more
GanGsTerR4Live 4 weeks ago
@GanGsTerR4Live no he cannot. goku is a dust speck on supermans shoe. deal with it fanboy i have given you enough proof, it's time to be a man and suck it up. your beloved goku is not all power and he is not even close top being as powerful as supes.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE Good ol NANOFORGE.Still trolling this video.I remember when I first came to Youtube a little over a year and a half ago and you were ass raped on this video daily,and once you saw the coast was clear you came back
wisewarriormuzic 3 weeks ago
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@wisewarriormuzic I was ass raped, bahahahah oh yes I remeber you got a new account, and no I was never ass raped, it is impossible for me to have been ass raped because Goku cannot win, GTF over it, superman wins, even post crisis will pizz own Goku. The dragon has limits to its abilites too, and it is only immortal to time, it can still be destroyed as it has. "This Goku is on the level of Marvel cosmic beings and light years out of Kal El's league" Prove it or fuck off.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE lol you're the most pathetic piece of shit you're the fanboy you cant handle that goku is 10000X stronger than superman in every way superman is shit compared to goku now go home an whine like a bitch... goku could destroy the entire solar system as a normal saiyan with spirit bomb if he made it enought strong
GanGsTerR4Live 3 weeks ago
@GanGsTerR4Live I have read the entire DBZ manga and never once seen anyone of them blow a solar system up by sneezing. "goku could destroy the entire solar system as a normal saiyan with spirit bomb if he made it enought strong" Really is that why in the manga Goku threw a spirit bomb that had more energy than his SSJ3 form and it did'nt destroy a planet that had the same mass as the Earth. Goku is not as powerful as you DBZtards think he is. Superman >>>>> Goku.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE ... no his spirit bomb is not as strong as a ssj3.... he had enought power to destroy the whole universe as a saiyan and in ssj the whole univeres .-.. now imagine him in ssj 4 wooow KAMEHAMEHAAAAAAAAAA TIMES 10X!!!! and his dragon fist in ssj 4 darm that could destroy superman overkill him now goku could destroy him in normal saiyan or ssj done Goku > Vegeta > Gohan > trunks>>>>>>>> SuperMan
GanGsTerR4Live 3 weeks ago
@GanGsTerR4Live Goku was unable to defeat Buu with his SSJ3 form. Goku's spirit bomb must of had more power than his SSJ3 form otherwise it would'nt of destroyed Buu, and this very spirit bomb hit the planet, exploded and did'nt destroy it. Goku at SSJ4 was cut by glass, burned by Nova who is only as hot at the sun, was frozen and to top it off barely held a building up above his head using both hands while Supes held a sphere that was heavier than a star. Superman >>>>> DBU
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE could be but gohan had enought power to destroy the whole universe as a kid in ssj 2 .,... in cell saga and goku can destroy whole planet as a ssj
GanGsTerR4Live 3 weeks ago
@GanGsTerR4Live Wrong. In the manga Cell stated that he could destroy the solar system with his full power and he was equally as powerful as SSJ2 Gohan. Superman can bust a solar system just by sneezing. That means Kryptonains can achieve SSJ2 level feats with a single sneeze, thats how much stronger Supes is over DBZ charatcers. Yes it's obvious that SSJ Goku could destroy a palnet seeing that Vegeta with a power level of 18,000 could destroy the Earth. Superman >>>>>>> DBU.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE i dont get you shitty DBU fuck superman how tha hell can he destroy planet by sneezing that the most retardet thing ever !!! serious try to hear that now im going to sneeze and the universe will get destroyed... wtf screw superman you super saiyan are more epic anyway but Broly could actually get as strong ass ssj 4 gogeta or more the owner of the show said it himself but now am generous goku could destroy superman in ssj 3 form max kamehameha all these energy shots
GanGsTerR4Live 3 weeks ago
@GanGsTerR4Live I'm sorry, but you are wrong about broly. Broly does have a limit, seeing as how his body was not able to contain the energy. He would lose to perfect cell.
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
@heretowatchvideos100 bullshit akira toriyama or whatever his name his claimed that broly when he was in his lssj form he kept getting power and could reach to be as strong as ssj 4 gogeta...
GanGsTerR4Live 3 weeks ago
@GanGsTerR4Live I am sorry, but akira has never said this, anywere. Anyone can make a claim for someone else, does not make it true.
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
@heretowatchvideos100 ... no its true... just stfu superman fanboy
GanGsTerR4Live 3 weeks ago
@GanGsTerR4Live I don't see whats the point of insulting me, but broly is said always, even by hardcore DBZ fans such as vegito1089, to be lower than perfect cell. His power was overflowing, not increasing. And I am a fanboy, how? I give proof, facts, and such to say why a character wins. And to superman? To be a fanboy, you have to constantly go for him, I don't, And just because I think he can beat goku, does not mean I think he is the strongest. I know tons of characters who would beat both.
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
@heretowatchvideos100 The creators of both franchises should get together and make a movie about this.Some universe hopping villain should bring one and their friends into the other's universe and pit them against each other,they have a big ass epic fight,and before they kill each other learn the truth and own the bad guy together,then Bulma or some scientist sends them back to their universe
wisewarriormuzic 3 weeks ago
@wisewarriormuzic That would be pretty good. AKira and DC working together to make something epic. The villain could be superboy prime. And they get forced to fight, maybe the majin could control goku or superman.
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
@heretowatchvideos100 I agree, as a DBZ fan myself and I would aslo say Perfect Cell is more powerful than Broly. All it took was the combined power of 3-4 weakened Super Sayians and a Super Namek to blast a hole through Brolys stomach, even the Cell juniors who did'nt even possess half of Cell's power made Vegeta and Trunks who were Ascended Super Sayains look like a total Joke. To top it off Cell is smarter, can breathe in space and can regenerate is entire body.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE If you remember in the middle of Frieza and Goku's battle he said "No one's ever hurt me like this since training with my father".Yes he did have martial arts experience.It's not like Frieza was some pansy that never got his hands dirty.He just usually never had to
wisewarriormuzic 3 weeks ago
@wisewarriormuzic Well nothing was stated of Frieza's fighting abilities other than his ability to destroy planets due to the enormous amount of chi stored in his body and that he had 4 biological forms each having acess to more of this chi. At SSJ, Goku's power level was only 30 million higher than Frezia's maximum. Therefore I suppose a large part of Goku's advantage over Frieza must of came from his fighting skills, so they do decide the victor as does sheer physical power.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@GanGsTerR4Live The problem with you GanGsterR4Live is that you don't listen to a damn thing anyone says but your own fanboy fantasys. You said SSJ2 Gohan could destroy a universe when the manga stated that the most an SSJ2 level character can do is solar system bust. You also spam non-canon to your hearts content and when you get proven wrong you cry like a little girl and start insulting people when it is'nt me you should be insulting, you don't even know anything baout DBZ.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE i cry like a little girl? you dont know anything bout me FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOU FAMILLIE YOU CUNT YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A WORTHLESS SCUM YOU'RE AN ASSAULT TO MY HONOR YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LOSER WHO CAN'T GET PUSSY FUCK YOU AND YOU SUPERASS FUCK SUPERMAN MY DICK CAN BEAT HIM UP WHEN I SNEEZE I CAN MAKE YOU HEAD EXPLODE CAUSE IT'S CONTAINS C2 .... really get a life fuck you
GanGsTerR4Live 3 weeks ago
@GanGsTerR4Live LMFAO All DBZtards end up doing this. capitalizing whole sentences and resorting to personal attacks when they're proven wrong and then proceed to cry like little girls and go on about honor or some other swan song bullshit. You lose, deal with it retard.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE i'm sorry but ur comparing a guy who struggles at holding a plane back from crashing to a guy whose power when in super sayain 3 alone make the entire earth shake! there is no comparison and thus this argument is invalid!
JTwergs 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from pupe69
@JTwergs No offense, but read more superman comics, and lay off the movie garbage.
heretowatchvideos100 3 weeks ago
@JTwergs I'm sorry but you are comparing a guy who shook the Earh when trying to reach his full power to someone who annilated an entrie solar system just by sneezing and this is one of Supermans low end feats. So that means Superman can achieve SSJ2 level feats just by sneezing. Yeah you are right, there is no comparison, Superman totally godstomps Goku allway across the multiverse and back again.
NANOFORGE 3 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE Superman sneezing awat a solar system isnt a low end you fucking faggot. Its the single greatest feat hes ever had and its an inconsistent outlier because all the other times hes sneezed didnt destroy anything. And even if we were to use high ends Goku still wins because hes a universe destroyer.
TheSuccessfulHunk 2 weeks ago
@TheSuccessfulHunk "Superman sneezing awat a solar system isnt a low end you fucking faggot" and it would take the full power of an SSJ2 character to do the same and this was stated in the manga. So SSJ2 full power = a sneeze from Supes. Goku has not fought anyone who could universe bust, the strongest character Goku fought was Buu who took years to destroy a galaxy, Supes beat Doomsday who defeated seveal galaxy busters at once, Superman wins you dibble chinned cunt..
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE "So SSJ2 full power = a sneeze from Supes." Okay, that isn't really saying anything seeing as Supermans most destructive feats are breath based attacks and he uses his lungs like DBZ characters use ki.
TheSuccessfulHunk 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE He was using magic powder so your infamous sneeze means fucking shit!So ssj2 ballhair>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Superman
pant104 2 weeks ago
@pant104 you are wrong. the fucking people were also affected by magic powder and they didn't destroy cars, buildings or cities while they were sneezing. Superman is not invulnerable to magic so that magic powder caused him to sneeze with great force. superman has other feats where He uses his super breath to push a planet from outer space or to extinguish a sun. Precrisis superman can wipe out DB universe easily.
TheCryforjustice 2 weeks ago
@TheCryforjustice Nope power cannot magically increased when there is none.Superman's feats are a joke compared to dbz feats.I suppose he could wipe out Db universe easily as for Dbz...Frieza 1rst form crushes him
pant104 2 weeks ago
@pant104 "Superman's feats are a joke compared to dbz feats" What kind retard are you huh?. When has anyone from DBZ ever held a mulitverse in their hands, when has anyone in DBZ nearly destroyed reality by accident, when has anyone from DBZ ever tanked a punch as powerful as 1,000 galaxies to the face, when has anyone from DBZ ever held a pulsar in their hands as eaisly as holding a polystyrene ball, When has DBZ done any of this. NEVER, shut the fuck up and sit down. Fucking owned.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE Never needed to to do most of these thing because they were busy fighting enemies superman wouldn't even dream of handling...going by simple powerscaling logic which you lack they can do all these things and then some.Buu was about to destroy the universe and Vegito stopped him with a punch.Fucking PWNED!!!
pant104 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE About this whole "blow up the solar system" thing. Cell said he could blow up the solar system, yes. But he never said he could do this in one attack. All he said is that he had enough ki energy to do it; he never clarified by what means. Therefore, all this talk about how Cell has an attack that can destroy the entire solar system is worseless and pointless. Also, if DBZtards buy that Cell's blast was big enough to blow up the entire Solar System then they have to say..
TheCryforjustice 2 weeks ago
@NANOFORGE ...that Cell was planning to kill himself. Cell didn't think he would be able to survive a blast that would blow up the Earth, he though he was gonna kill himself when he tried to self destruct. Instead though, Cell barely survived the blast and healed. Now, if Cell barely survived that blast that was big enough to blow up the world, do DBZtards really think that he thought he could survive a solar system busting blast ? (1000 of times stronger than exploding planet)
TheCryforjustice 2 weeks ago
@TheCryforjustice "(1000 of times stronger than exploding planet)" Solar system busting attacks are much higher than that. 8,000 years of the suns power output is enough to destory the Earth 2,150 times. Supernova explosions possess more powerful than our sun would generate in it's enitre 14 billion years lifespan. A solar system busting attack would destroy the Earth quadrillions of times over.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
@pant104 You have not refuted or denied my claim. superman destroyed a solar system in his own power; Superman is invulnerable in nature, He can't get sick as ordinary human being. but the magic force can penetrate his invulnerability. superman can move a planet focusing his breath through a planet or extinguish a sun with his breath. goku applying a great mount of Ki against cooler he can´t destroy the sun. goku fighting broly, combined his power with gohan and trunks didn't destroy..
TheCryforjustice 2 weeks ago
@pant104 the sun. GT ssj4 goku fighting baby, launched a great KI power against the sun to extinguish a baby (inside right there) and the sun didn`t explode. levelings powers: Kryptonians are elephants but Saiyans are cockroaches .
TheCryforjustice 2 weeks ago
Prove it was his own power!When people take sreroids they are not assumed to have natural strenght!If an ant took steroids it wouldn't be noticable so your arguement that people are unaffected is invalid.Goku also didn't destroy the earth with blasts at ssj3 that doesn't mean he can't.You think Goku would want destroy the sun?that's fucking stupid.Again in movie 10 they did not wish for the sun to be destroyed nor they focused their power on it.Stop trying to downplay Dbz with stupid examples
pant104 2 weeks ago
@pant104 I already did it but you can't read between the lines. Superman in his own power can move planets or extinguish suns using his breath without breaking a sweat, his stupid super-breath! ( No magic dust affecting him). but in this case superman explains: "that magical sneezing-powder is about to make me sneeze! " I must leave earth quick.. before..! my "super-sneeze is destroying this solar system"..Mr. MXYZPTLK didn't say anything about amplyfing powers with that magic powder..
TheCryforjustice 2 weeks ago
@pant104 the People were sneezing uncontrollably near each other and they didn´t destroy cars,buildings, cities or themself each other. If this had side effects (5th dimensional effects) at least the Sneezing of people could change or alter our reality but this wasn't so. mr. Mxyzptlk was only doing a prank to superman.
TheCryforjustice 2 weeks ago
@TheCryforjustice Doesn't need to say anything it is an unexpected side effect!But even if that's the case still a ssj2 obliterates superman with a cockslap since ssj1 1 hit powns Galaxy busters!
pant104 2 weeks ago
@pant104 Wrong wrong WRONG!!!. The manga stated that it woudl take the full power of a SSJ2 character to destroy a solar system, Superman did this just by sneezing and that was one of his LOW END FEATS!!. So thats means SSJ2 full power = A sneeze from Superman. Do you understand that or am I going to fast for you.
NANOFORGE 2 weeks ago
WRONG WRONG AND SO WRONG! Manga never stated such a thing.Cell just had no interest in destroying more than the solar system but that doesn't mean that he couldn't!Unless you think Brolly who busts Galaxies is 1000 times stronger than Cell.Superman's low end feats?That's the guy who gets hit by bullets and gets his ass kicked by batman and Luthor right?Dbz has consistant superior feats while superman has over 90% of pathetic ones.Gohan ssj2 would dismember superman with his pinky
pant104 2 weeks ago
@pant104 WRONG WRONG WRON WRONG!. In the manga Cell stated that his power could destroy the solar system and he was SSJ2 level. If Cell had won the beam struggle with Gohan he would of gone around destroying planets. Broly is not canon, AT even non of the movies are canon. Superman destroyed a solar system with a sneeze, something that would take the max of an SSJ2, no one in the entire DBZ series has displayed the ability to do once so DBZ feats are no now way superior to supermans.
NANOFORGE 1 week ago
@NANOFORGE All WRONG!If it was stated in the manga that cell can destroy a fly with your way of thinking that would be his max.If Brolly is not cannon then precrysis is not cannon too!But that is like saying Brolly >>>>ssj3 Goku because he busted a galaxy so no.With a simple math calculaltion Dbz can destroy the universe as Vegito prevented super buu from doing!.Conclusion: No superman doesn't have what it takes to match ssj2 Gohan not destructive wise not speed wise and certainly not skill wise
pant104 1 week ago
@TheCryforjustice Superman is vulnerable to magic. Info from DC/Mortal Combat Cross over. At the end superman realizes that he is still very much vulnerable to magic.
RbCabz 1 week ago
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@TheCryforjustice Wrong you flaming homosexual. Supermans powers come from his breath, he uses his super breath like DBZ fighters use ki blasts so that was supermans most powerful attack. And Broly destroyed an entire galaxy and Goku is a billion times stronger than Broly. Goku kills Superfag easily and all the Supercomicvirgins squeal in agony.
TheNiggestTroll 1 week ago in playlist goku vs superman 3
@TheNiggestTroll what a joke! Your nickname says it all, I don't have to answer stupid things that have already been disproved/ debunked for years. (forums on internet). bye troll.
polimaniatico 3 days ago