Luke! there is nothing wrong with this internet back and forth other then you. The author made a fucking movie for you to see the point. Try to get it.
Carbon credits are a way we can put a market value on 'emissions' created by industry, for example, who then have to pay others who 'store' those emissions in trees, for example. Attempting to balance the global emission levels through the only way people actually respond - money.
Trading in carbon emissions is just the start since there are far more serious environmental issues facing humans. Although its arguably moving in the right direction?
Carbon credits are more like collecting money for supposed environmental sins rather than religious sins. If people only did business with environmentally friendly businesses, people who make up jobs for themselves (like coming up with carbon credits) would not be scaring everyone into believing.
Many taxes are unnecessary and never resolve their intended purpose. Tariffs are no longer popular since they restrict trade. Carbon credits will only hurt trade instead of supporting trade.
Especially when you pay someone else off who has the potential to industrialize and do better things in business and the world.
What if the Queen of Spain would have told Columbus to wait until he has enough carbon credits to go find India? The North didn't have enough carbon credits saved up to go to war with the South in the Civil War? We should never have sent a man to the moon unless Africa promised to never fully industrialize?
Hurting trade...? When has the trade of any 'good' hurt trade? Could you source this statement?
What we define as a value which can be traded can change, and will change. Youtube as an example is something which can be traded although it does not materially exist - good luck explaining that one to Columbus.
For pure discussions sake; I truely believe that environmental services markets will be a huge part of our future, and are a necessary step towards market driven climate change address.
One day, I will leave this planet to travel to another planet. I will get very far away from this environmental services markets bullshit. This is no different than Mao, no different than Hitler. It's Eugenics in a new form. Complete bullshit will lots of followers.
People will soon justify the killing of people or at least approve of not allowing certain people to breed. Pay attention...I hope we continue dicussing this far into the future. Until another crazy campaign wipes itself out.
Um... yeah sure. Thats not quite the angle I was running on. Complete nonsensical internet discussion topic jumping I mean.
Not interesting or worth while what-so-ever. Just another bullshit post sequence! Hopefully your also bringing your views and theories to other communities where you might effect change. Bro
There is too much from the climate change deniers of 'blaming in advance' India and China, as if there's nothing now that can be done by the West, as if no measure that the west could take that would make a difference... such as cutting down energy consumption.
As long as I am an effective human being, I will not be limiting my actions on this planet so that someone one the other side of the globe can get a fair chance to pollute. If all countries would have industrialized before climate crisis became lucrative, I wouldn't have to be subjected to brainwashed family members and friends trying to force me to reuse my napkins or melt snow for drinking water.
I guess that the point of the video is to show how wrong Carbon Credits are. so i dont fully understand your reply above - it has two meanings. I would say that even if the growing economies are polluting etc, we in the old economies still have a duty to simplify our lifestyle, improve the design of our buildings, and generate more power without burning fossil fuel.
My friends drink out of glass beer bottles every weekend while I drink water out of a Nalgene bottle. Since they are adding to global warming created by the waste heat of recycling, I am fully justified in using fossil fuels to waterski. If we use up all fossil fuels, that's an incentive to find other means of fuel. I don't think electric boats been invented yet?
When you speak of duty, do you mean "force" or "new age brainwashing"? I'm not going to limit myself so Al Gore can fly all over the world to accept awards for being a spokesman. If Al really cared, he would be more like Big Brother, communicating through telescreens. Big AL is Watching YOU!
For someone who has made a movie making a valid point, you appear to have gone suddenly a bit loopy. I thought we were having a debate. Now you seem to be dragging up a pointless argument against Al, that he has to travel in order to deliver lectures. It has been a more worthwhile investment than your waterskiing, which will never win an oscar or a nobel prize.
It's like in the old days when only the witch doctor could go up on the burial mound. The rest of the village must do their "duty" and never question the actions of the witch doctor. Back then, they didn't have Nobel Prizes for Peace or Academy Awards to give witch doctors. Awards and pompous ceremonies are now a much better way to convince the masses they are common people and must remain as such.
It satirises the carbon credit scheme effectively, but there is a racist undertone in that the bullying hi-carbon-emitter is chinese in both examples, not a fair comparison. China's carbon emission as a whole country is growing due to industrial growth, but their emission per capita is a small fraction of that of US or Australia or Japan, the highest emitters.
She's not Chinese, but good guess. She was outsourced, because she works harder, showes up on time, has enthusiasm and keeps costs low. Not sure if guessing at another's race has racist undertones.
The two krackers in the video have some French drops of blood in their bloodline. France, a country which still allows the use of styrofoam containers for the food served at McDonald's.
If she is japanese, that slightly loses the point as no american jobs are being outsourced to Japan. JP is one of the highlevel consumer economies that needs to pay poor countries in africa etc for carbon credits. Your analogy isnt about the country she comes from, its about the shift of economic production and consumption to the far east (or the the western side of the pacific rim - as it crosses the dateline, we cant call it that).
Youre missing the point now.. I thought you meant something in the nationality.
What she seems now to be is a rich american (of asian ethnic origin) who is being totally selfish and mocking the poor guy for not having national health or help. also dishonest, as not handing him the 20dollars.
She doesn't have to be rich to pay others for their carbon credits. She just has to believe in the myth of carbon credits and convince others to as well.
well she behaves like the worst kind of rich, kicking snow in the face of the homeless person. In terms of 'conveying an idea' in the video, this is what you have conveyed. Your video isnt meant to attack homeless for not working, its meant to attack those who think they can continue burning energy and producing pollution as long as others are 'paying for it' with their carbon credits.
Carbon credits/REDDS, Worldbank plans =
google search the YouTube video titled:
"PROTEST-Indigenous Peoples "2nd MAY REVOLT" at the UNPFII"
humanrightstruth 3 years ago
I watched the video...thanks for sharing it!!!
HistoricThirdWard 3 years ago
Luke! there is nothing wrong with this internet back and forth other then you. The author made a fucking movie for you to see the point. Try to get it.
DanyDizzay 3 years ago 2
Thanks...
HistoricThirdWard 3 years ago
Carbon credits are a way we can put a market value on 'emissions' created by industry, for example, who then have to pay others who 'store' those emissions in trees, for example. Attempting to balance the global emission levels through the only way people actually respond - money.
Trading in carbon emissions is just the start since there are far more serious environmental issues facing humans. Although its arguably moving in the right direction?
Possibly?
luke180 4 years ago
Carbon credits are more like collecting money for supposed environmental sins rather than religious sins. If people only did business with environmentally friendly businesses, people who make up jobs for themselves (like coming up with carbon credits) would not be scaring everyone into believing.
Many taxes are unnecessary and never resolve their intended purpose. Tariffs are no longer popular since they restrict trade. Carbon credits will only hurt trade instead of supporting trade.
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
Especially when you pay someone else off who has the potential to industrialize and do better things in business and the world.
What if the Queen of Spain would have told Columbus to wait until he has enough carbon credits to go find India? The North didn't have enough carbon credits saved up to go to war with the South in the Civil War? We should never have sent a man to the moon unless Africa promised to never fully industrialize?
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
Hurting trade...? When has the trade of any 'good' hurt trade? Could you source this statement?
What we define as a value which can be traded can change, and will change. Youtube as an example is something which can be traded although it does not materially exist - good luck explaining that one to Columbus.
For pure discussions sake; I truely believe that environmental services markets will be a huge part of our future, and are a necessary step towards market driven climate change address.
luke180 4 years ago
Carbon Credits = Tariffs
One day, I will leave this planet to travel to another planet. I will get very far away from this environmental services markets bullshit. This is no different than Mao, no different than Hitler. It's Eugenics in a new form. Complete bullshit will lots of followers.
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
People will soon justify the killing of people or at least approve of not allowing certain people to breed. Pay attention...I hope we continue dicussing this far into the future. Until another crazy campaign wipes itself out.
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
Um... yeah sure. Thats not quite the angle I was running on. Complete nonsensical internet discussion topic jumping I mean.
Not interesting or worth while what-so-ever. Just another bullshit post sequence! Hopefully your also bringing your views and theories to other communities where you might effect change. Bro
luke180 4 years ago
"Might effect change" is a politically correct term for force. Comrade
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
Carbon Credits....HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
drabshadspads 3 years ago 2
Thanks...
HistoricThirdWard 3 years ago
Look up carbon credits...it will blow your mind...it's like scientology for environmentalists...
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
There is too much from the climate change deniers of 'blaming in advance' India and China, as if there's nothing now that can be done by the West, as if no measure that the west could take that would make a difference... such as cutting down energy consumption.
dnicholsoncole 4 years ago
As long as I am an effective human being, I will not be limiting my actions on this planet so that someone one the other side of the globe can get a fair chance to pollute. If all countries would have industrialized before climate crisis became lucrative, I wouldn't have to be subjected to brainwashed family members and friends trying to force me to reuse my napkins or melt snow for drinking water.
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
I guess that the point of the video is to show how wrong Carbon Credits are. so i dont fully understand your reply above - it has two meanings. I would say that even if the growing economies are polluting etc, we in the old economies still have a duty to simplify our lifestyle, improve the design of our buildings, and generate more power without burning fossil fuel.
dnicholsoncole 4 years ago
My friends drink out of glass beer bottles every weekend while I drink water out of a Nalgene bottle. Since they are adding to global warming created by the waste heat of recycling, I am fully justified in using fossil fuels to waterski. If we use up all fossil fuels, that's an incentive to find other means of fuel. I don't think electric boats been invented yet?
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
When you speak of duty, do you mean "force" or "new age brainwashing"? I'm not going to limit myself so Al Gore can fly all over the world to accept awards for being a spokesman. If Al really cared, he would be more like Big Brother, communicating through telescreens. Big AL is Watching YOU!
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
For someone who has made a movie making a valid point, you appear to have gone suddenly a bit loopy. I thought we were having a debate. Now you seem to be dragging up a pointless argument against Al, that he has to travel in order to deliver lectures. It has been a more worthwhile investment than your waterskiing, which will never win an oscar or a nobel prize.
dnicholsoncole 4 years ago
It's like in the old days when only the witch doctor could go up on the burial mound. The rest of the village must do their "duty" and never question the actions of the witch doctor. Back then, they didn't have Nobel Prizes for Peace or Academy Awards to give witch doctors. Awards and pompous ceremonies are now a much better way to convince the masses they are common people and must remain as such.
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
It satirises the carbon credit scheme effectively, but there is a racist undertone in that the bullying hi-carbon-emitter is chinese in both examples, not a fair comparison. China's carbon emission as a whole country is growing due to industrial growth, but their emission per capita is a small fraction of that of US or Australia or Japan, the highest emitters.
dnicholsoncole 4 years ago
She's not Chinese, but good guess. She was outsourced, because she works harder, showes up on time, has enthusiasm and keeps costs low. Not sure if guessing at another's race has racist undertones.
The two krackers in the video have some French drops of blood in their bloodline. France, a country which still allows the use of styrofoam containers for the food served at McDonald's.
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
If she is japanese, that slightly loses the point as no american jobs are being outsourced to Japan. JP is one of the highlevel consumer economies that needs to pay poor countries in africa etc for carbon credits. Your analogy isnt about the country she comes from, its about the shift of economic production and consumption to the far east (or the the western side of the pacific rim - as it crosses the dateline, we cant call it that).
dnicholsoncole 4 years ago
She's not Japanese either, keep trying.
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
Youre missing the point now.. I thought you meant something in the nationality.
What she seems now to be is a rich american (of asian ethnic origin) who is being totally selfish and mocking the poor guy for not having national health or help. also dishonest, as not handing him the 20dollars.
dnicholsoncole 4 years ago
She doesn't have to be rich to pay others for their carbon credits. She just has to believe in the myth of carbon credits and convince others to as well.
HistoricThirdWard 4 years ago
well she behaves like the worst kind of rich, kicking snow in the face of the homeless person. In terms of 'conveying an idea' in the video, this is what you have conveyed. Your video isnt meant to attack homeless for not working, its meant to attack those who think they can continue burning energy and producing pollution as long as others are 'paying for it' with their carbon credits.
dnicholsoncole 4 years ago
$20.00 a Month? send me the Money....I'll buy a bigger SUV...May-be a Hummer
truth4U2C 4 years ago