Dollar Sound Secrets: Guitar Tone Match EQ and IR

[andrefs01]

Clark, is it possible to do this exact matching process with an Axe-Fx? Just record the Axe-Fx signal without the cabinet simulation?

[clarkkentjob]

@andrefs01 Sure you can. :)

[pavkovlr]

Hi at about 6:00, when you compare the two samples, how does the sample YOU recorded sound good at all if it still doesn't have an impulse response on it? At this point aren't you just EQ'ing that sample and not applying an IR?

[clarkkentjob]

@pavkovlr IR = EQ.

[ichorus]

sickindian5 tone matching is coming to the Axe FX II soon. I can't wait Petrucci tones will be 1st I try.

[Sickindian5]

@ichorus Im looking forward to it mate seriously as im not 100% happy with my axe not satisfied with dynamics and the grit.

[Sickindian5]

Hi Clark could you tell me if its possible to do that on Axe FX II ? As far I understood you makeing cab ir?

[Fieldification]

great video!

[xgeneralzimx]

I'm doing in this in Cubase, using POD Farm for the amp and REVerance to load the IR file. Only problem is, after matching the EQ and applying it to the guitar track with no cab, it still sounds like just the preamp but with different EQ settings. In order to get rid of that shitty noise I have to load up a cab in POD Farm, which I feel is subtracting from the point of matching the tone. Any help?

[StylishStar88]

Quick question: can you please tell me what your signal chain looks like? are you going directly in (D.I) or using some sort of soundcard or interface? I have a pod x3 and I would love to get to know how to use this. :)

[ustavobarr25g]

That is one "abrasive" video. =p

[lopezjackie515]

Your video is a favorite on Gaborone

[clarkkentjob]

@lopezjackie515 What is Gaborone? :)

[WillITDJENT]

AXE FX CABS! share IT PLZ

[clarkkentjob]

@WillITDJENT ... sorry I don't think I'm allowed to do so.

[64revolt]

wow. that was incredibly simple.

[Herrdesrings]

I got to the point where I was rendering the imported test tone with matching activated. I did all that and processed it but when I use my ampmodeling with this IR loaded it stills sounds like a pure preamp signal. What am I missing?

[clarkkentjob]

@Herrdesrings Maybe you forgot to ENABLE the EQ in the Ozone?

[Herrdesrings]

@clarkkentjob That's the funny thing. It is activated and my recorded sample sounds just like the original. But I can't seem to make a proper IR out of the testsound.

[clarkkentjob]

@Herrdesrings Hmm... maybe the IR plugin isn't working? Do a quick test and add the IR you made as an audio file into your project. Run it through Ozone and see what kind of curve it has. If it's just a flat curve then you are exporting it wrong. If the curve looks right then it's the IR plugin that's not working right.

[Herrdesrings]

@clarkkentjob I got it. I forget to leave the test tone file in the Deconvolver tool. Works like a charm now! Thanks for helping me sorting this one out.

[FazSaber]

I know this is all about the Dream Theater tone you replicated but OMG that Paramore tone was spot on!!!! o_O I've shown this to all my friends lol

[clarkkentjob]

@FazSaber Haha, it's def. not all about Dream Theater tones. :) They are all pretty much spot on. I've done a few other Paramore IR's already. TBH I'm not into prog metal nowadays. I just know how much money DT spent to get those tones and it makes me feel like I'm making the money when I steal their tones. :D

[FazSaber]

@clarkkentjob Ha :P Did you use your Telecaster to get that Paramore tone? Trying to get it on my Ibanez S540 but i'm not getting there! :(

[clarkkentjob]

@FazSaber I'm pretty sure I used my PRS for that. In this clip I'm playing an EBMM guitar so it shouldn't matter. You might be doing something wrong in the process.... follow my every step accurately. :)

[oml1]

OK It was my fault. I did it, really thanks!!!!

[oml1]

When I use Kefir, LeCab etc, its not the same. But its same in project(when used izotope)

When i use exported(from deconvolver) it's more BOOMY then Izotope.

what can I do? I did what you said in video.

[zraw0]

@oml1

Watch the output level of the sweep! Sometimes it goes up to +30db (when the guitar volume is around 0) try to correct that by decreasing the volume when exporting. Maybe that will help

[danyy1831]

good tutorial the best ive seen just slow down =)

[clarkkentjob]

@danyy1831 Haha.... use the pause button. :)

[adriantrackssongs]

wow, VERY nice stuff,

[ToddGreenPro]

I cannot seem to get this to work whatsoever! erk!!! :'(

[TheDhruvrajpal]

This helped me a lot. Thanks :)

[DeadSuspect]

wow that's really awesome!! =)

[ivar197]

i cannot express my gratitude sufficiently... ive been looking for something like this for years and now O_O

[rij666]

YOU SHOULD SHARE YOUR PRESETS WITH US ! :D and IR's too

[sify11]

this is brilliant!

thx a lot!

[mpeskett]

Very clever. Hopefully this is possible on a Mac too. I know Ozone is available and there is no doubt an alternative deconvolver somewhere.

[GabGabAuJous]

can somebody tell me what IR means?

[EricMaldonadoMusic]

@GabGabAuJous Impulse Response :)

[drawnacrol]

Hey man this works great!!!!!!! Thanks so much for the tutorial

[TenhoMeideia]

I'm having a problem with this: After i've done the matching and activate the eq i get a sound like it's playing in a tunnel, like a weird type of reverb, but i don't have any reverb on, it's coming from the izotope! Please help

[gandalph915]

wow, impressive

[DarkAngelsDelight]

can i EQ match drums with this?

[clarkkentjob]

@DarkAngelsDelight You can and I've done it but it's a lot more complicated. People don't realize that drums have pitch too. So in orded to match EQ a drum sound you'll need to have the drums in the same pitch which is A LOT OF WORK in the manual world. Digitally it's a bit easier like SD2 has a pitch control. I've match EQ'd the Paramore Snare and the Periphery Snare f.ex. and you have to use the smoothing control or it'll sound funny. I advice to use samples rather than match EQ on drums.

[suzuki15]

@clarkkentjob can i use this with pod farm/line 6 GX ?

[clarkkentjob]

@suzuki15 Yes you can. :) I don't know if it supports IR's or not but just turn the cab off and use an IR plugin afterwards...

[danyy1831]

@DarkAngelsDelight yeh you can match anything you want =)

[clarkkentjob]

@danyy1831 Well EQ wise yes but this technique works well on distorted guitar because it's not a dynamic instrument. Match EQ on vocals/drums/bass/clean guitar is more complicated. You will most likely have to use the smoothing in Ozone.

I did a test where I match EQ'd all my tracks with the Rock Band MOGG tracks and basically ended up with the same mix EQ-wise as f.ex. Paramore have. :) Still you need to work with compression etc. but EQ-wise you can really rip off a professional mix.

[stchristoph2000]

Ok so I think I did everything you said but the impulse I load into lecab doesn't sound nearly as good as when I turn on Ozone. Any idea what I may be doing wrong? I think there may be too many highs in the signal but I think it's just generally lacking eq. Maybe export settings of the daw?

[clarkkentjob]

@stchristoph2000 Yeah I guess I didn't make it clear enough in the video. You should have all of the settings matching. You should match EQ one side of a mix, like I'm only matching Constant Motion's left track with my playing. My sessions is in 48khz and 32bit so the Test Tone should be 48khz, 32bit and MONO. Also the match EQ'd sweep should be 48khz 32bit and MONO. And look at my settings in the Voxengo. It doesn't work if it isn't just like I have it.

[stchristoph2000]

@clarkkentjob thanks for the clarification but that's exactly what I did. As I said it sounds great with Ozone on but the generated IR doesn't sound great at all. I have the project and sweep settings of 44.1 and 24bit and of course mono. I copied the settings of Voxengo and ozone exactly and as I said it worked amazing for Ozone.

[clarkkentjob]

And also remember to DISABLE your amp modeler when exporting the IR. In the video I just say "disable that". :) Not sure if people notice what I disabled.

[stchristoph2000]

@clarkkentjob wow.. I'm an idiot and you're my hero. That was the problem and now it works like a charm. It's so much more fun to jam along with the original sound. Thank you sooooo much for putting this video up. I kept trying for hours to make my sound match a song just so I could play along with EQ curves and this still trumps my attemps significantly :D Again thank you very much.

[clarkkentjob]

@stchristoph2000 Haha... no problem mate. :)

[apuforyou]

I tried this, but failed because I couldn't find a part of the song without drums that ended up messing with the EQ of the guitar afterwards. Is there a way to get around this?

[clarkkentjob]

@apuforyou Well no... You have to find a guitar tone with NOTHING on top of it. No drums ringing, no bass, no vocals. Just the pure guitar tone. One cool way to get pure guitar tracks is to download Rock Band MOGG files. You can separate guitar tracks etc. Basically you should search for guitar intros or other guitar parts.

[U2GuitarTutorials]

Great lesson! Where can I learn how to use Ozone?

[clarkkentjob]

@U2GuitarTutorials Haha... well it's a complicated plugin... I've shown everything you need to know in order to EQ match.

[U2GuitarTutorials]

@clarkkentjob

Thx. I have a Mac. What do you recommend instead of Voxengo Decon which is windows only?

[clarkkentjob]

@U2GuitarTutorials I'm not using Mac so I don't really know. IIRC there's a deconvolution program in Logic. Not sure...

[reverweb]

Can you share this nice IRs ?? ;) Is possible use it in the axe fx?

[clarkkentjob]

@reverweb Well.. sure you can but they won't sound 100% the same as the originals since these IR's only work with the patches I made with the TH2. This isn't capturing a mic setup. It's actually a tricky IR that makes my patch sound just like Petrucci. Pay attention that in this video the matched IR makes a Rectifier sound like a Mark series amp and that's quite a leap tonewise. So I suggest you take your time and learn to do it yourself from this tutorial :)

[PwnEdgE1]

Very cool ,Looks like a lot to learn

[clarkkentjob]

@PwnEdgE1 Nah... It's not a lot to learn. I did it in under 10min and half of the time I was just fooling around. :D

[jamesitube]

Thanks, I was messing around with some match EQ stuff before but didn't even think of exporting an IR to use with my axe-fx..

[clarkkentjob]

Haha... it's very cool. I might be using the TH2 on a laptop as my live rig in the near future... It's such a dream come true. :)

[universox]

OMFG



[clarkkentjob]

@universox My first thoughts exactly! ;)

[guitarDouchebaggery]

really awesome

so Izotope Ozone can be useful!

[clarkkentjob]

@guitarDouchebaggery It's underrated... although I have a loooooooooot of plugins I'm actually using it for mastering sometimes. It's a transparent plugin for sure.