Shane Warne Bowls First Ball In Test Cricket 1992 Sydney vs India

[mrjuls070]

Good start

[UpTopBrother]

1. Warne played for way less time than Murali. (1991 TO 2007 VS 1991 TO 2010) so by average warne had 708 wickets in 16 years when Murali has 801 wickets in 19 years.

2.Warne would probably get 75 odd wickets in a year, so if he was younger he would overridden Murali's amount by 57 wickets.

3. Murali is not better than Warne, but people say Murali chucks. That is half true/half not considering he can't straighten his arm, yes he can't.

[TheMaverickanupam]

1- It was n times more enjoyable wathcing Warne bowl than Murali.

2-The kind of cricket Lankans played with dustbowl bored a person to death.

3-Warne bowled on pace friendly wickets against stronger oppositions.

4-Warne did not chuck

5-I would pay to watch Warne not Murali

6-Murali is a down to earth guy but that doesn't make him a better spinner

[wcb67]

At the end of the day, his arm is bent, very bent. They dont call him "Chucky" for nothing. Forget about science, the ICC etc. He throws and everyone knows it.

[HeartfeltDawn]

@wcb67 Law 22.3: "A ball is fairly delivered in respect of the arm if, once the bowler’s arm has reached the level of the shoulder in the delivery swing, the elbow joint is not straightened partially or completely from that point until the ball has left the hand. This definition shall not debar a bowler from flexing or rotating the wrist in the delivery swing."

That law automatically makes 99% of the bowlers throwers. Now here's the fun part...

[HeartfeltDawn]

@wcb67 If you bowled with an arm bent at, say, 5 degrees and you kept it bent through the action of delivery, then by the letter of the law it's not a no-ball because the arm hasn't straightened at all and has stayed consistently bent. You saying that his arm is bent is utterly irrelevant because being bent isn't the issue, it's any straightening that goes on.

[YerFaceMateZz]

@wcb67

I'm afraid you're gunna have to believe in science mate. Sorry but its the 21st century, not 1855.

[amolakawolverine]

Warnie rules! This guy had the best cricketing brain in addition to his exceptional control over spin. Unfortunately, we haven't seen even a decent leg spinner since he left. Murali was a hard worker and a genuine cricketer, but he can never ever match the genius of Warnie. We were blessed to see a legend like Warnie in action.

[wcb67]

Fuck knows how Murali is rated world class when he is a confirmed 'chucker' and gathered heaps of wickets against cricket 'powerhouses' Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. You're a legend Chucky but you ain't Warnes boot strap.

[HeartfeltDawn]

@wcb67 Murali was world class and was confirmed under the current ICC regulations to not be a chucker. Don't forget that under the old regulations people like Glenn McGrath and Shaun Pollock were found to have a degree of flex in the bowling action that could be classed as throwing. Warne trumps Murali as a bowler but both were fantastic bowlers.

[wcb67]

@HeartfeltDawn A degree of flex is very different to a 45 degree bend. Murali, is a chucker and it was comfirmed by Daryl hair. As for the ICC...gutless, weak and irrelevant.

[HeartfeltDawn]

@wcb67 Go and read the abstract into Murali's action. "The bowler, Mutiah Muralitharan, was shown to maintain a relatively constant elbow angle in the 0.06 s before ball release. Furthermore, this angle changed little from the time that the upper arm was angled vertically downward until ball release during the three spin-bowling actions." Short version: his arm didn't straighten. If your arm remains bent throughout, as Murali's does, it's not a bloody throw.

[tgmcrad]

@HeartfeltDawn....yeah the Biomechanics lab at UWA did a great job. I was there and it was a complete joke

[HeartfeltDawn]

@tgmcrad So was the science a joke when it said that the like of McGrath, Gillespie, and Pollock went above the 10 degree flex point?

[tgmcrad]

@HeartfeltDawn ...the study was flawed. He was and will always be remembered as a chucker. NO BALL !!!!

[HeartfeltDawn]

@wcb67 Incidentally, that abstract came from the University of Western Australia's Department of Human Movement and Exercise Science. I'd take their opinions far more seriously than Hair's opinion.

[tgmcrad]

@HeartfeltDawn the ICC buckled to the pressure of India and Sri Lanka and changed the rules to keep him in the game. He was a chucker (FACT) and his records will always be tainted because of it (FACT).

[HeartfeltDawn]

@tgmcrad According to the study Glenn McGrath under the old laws was also a chucker. Was the study in that case also flawed?

[kaosmaster]

I think everyone should read this about who's the better bowler out of Murali, Warne & McGrath.

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[crickethitter1]

his first ball went for 4

[MrMarkocroatia]

@TheFOITH The greatest bowler of all time would need to have a good record against all teams. Frankly, Warne's test bowling average against India of 47 takes him out of the equation.

[FacesOfTheWorld]

@MrMarkocroatia - Avgd 47 against India??... That's amazing!!! No wonder India smashed him around!

[tgmcrad]

@MrMarkocroatia ...granted it would be hard pressed to call him the greatest bowler of all time? I am also not surprised that he had a average of 47 against India - they are very good players of spin. He is however arguably the greatest spin bowler of all time.

[mmike1234]

Too many @ trying to follow this shit. Warnie your a legend mate.

[khanpreston1]

he got hit for four by indian batsman the first delivery he bowled,throughout his career he got beaten by indian batsman after that

[TheSinnical]

,... who'da thought this bloke would end up being the greatest spin of bowler of ol'time! the batter is Sanjay Manjrekar i guess..is he?

[zxz2006zxz]

Warne got most of his wickets against dumb fat lazy brits & zimbabve, druggie & fixer

[TheFOITH]

@zxz2006zxz You obviously have zero cricketing knowledge, you dumb fucking idiot. Of all his 708 test wickets, probably about one-tenth came against the minor nations. So before you go blurting out racist and ignorant crap, think about how much of a stupid fuck you appear to the rest of us. Shane Warne is the greatest bowler of all time.

[mcdelive]

@TheSinnical We all know Warne is a character, and great bowler. but when I checked the stats Warne looses to Murali in all catagories.... Murali got a better AVG, strike-rate and more wickets than Warne in Test cricket. In ODIs the gap between these 2 players are even wider, as Murali has better AVG, economy-rate and obviously more wickets than Warne.... So how come the so-called greatest spinner loose to Murali in all aspects of stats in both tests and ODIs....! take-out ur Warney glasses mate

[dizza1993]

@mcdelive Warne is a better bowler.

Murali is a chucker, no contest.

[evilgoesgaagaa]

@dizza1993 haha. Maybe he is. But the fact of the matter is he had the laws of fuckin' cricket change to suit his style. You know why they did that, coz they knew without the likes of Warne and Murali, Cricket wouldn't be as Epic as it is. Sour grapes BITCH! :D

[MrOzanachronism]

@evilgoesgaagaa Is it really necessary to flame like that. What happened to the gentleman's game?

[BoogerGuts1]

@MrOzanachronism It died about 50 years ago

[MrOzanachronism]

@BoogerGuts1 True, but the final nail was when it was totally professionalised. Athletes, from ancient Greece to the present, who were playing for the love of it, as an adjunct to what they do as their vocation, and participated honourably. The same thing happened in the city state of Athens, when it all started going to their heads and they did it full time. There were plenty of Brendan Fevolas and Shane Warnes in those days.

[omonoia23]

@mcdelive murali played 25 tests against zimbabwe and bangladesh for 176 wickets. warne played 1 test against zimbabwe for 6 wickets so all his wickets were taken against some of the best teams going around at the time. murali bowled basically every 2nd over of the test matches he played in, whereas warne bowled with mcgrath who usually took half the wickets in the innings. any other questions, genius?

[mcdelive]

@omonoia23 Haha... Okay lets leaveout the matches against Bangla and Zim as u requested lol.. Even then Murali has taken 624 wickets in 108 Tests at 24.87 against top teams, Warney 691 in 142 at 25.40. If McGrath has taken half of the wickets as u said then why Warne's Avg is poorer than Murali's? (considering Warne usually left to bowl against middle order and tailenders) What ever the way u put it Murali is a better bowler than Warney & the gap between these 2's records are even wider in odis

[omonoia23]

@mcdelive whatever man, i dont care about ODI cricket really, test cricket is the ultimate and where you get remembered . i loved watching murali as well, he was a genius. oh and i see your from the uk, maybe your a bit mad that warne took 195 test wickets against england (world record) :P

[norths8]

@mcdelive You do realise that Warne played over half his test matches in Australia which is by far the hardest place to bowl spin in the world (only 2 foreign spinners has averaged under 30 in AUS the last 30 years I read on cricinfo) and Murali played in Sri Lanka, which is the arguably the easiest place to bowl spin in the world. Infact Warne actually has a better average and strike rate in Sri than Murali does, so if he got to play over half his tests there his average would be MUCH lower

[SRILANKANnationalist]

@omonoia23 this is like saying for example in football (or soccer to certain people) a team that lost by 2 goals to nil; having had 8 shots on target compared to only 2 for the eventual winning team. It's the final score that counts, and in Muralis case 800 wickets trumps Warne's mere 708. Thank you!

[hando73]

@SRILANKANnationalist

And Shane Warnes never "chucked" a ball in his life........ Thank you

and good night :)

[tgmcrad]

@mcdelive take your tongue out of Murali's ass. Here's the tester. If you were picking teams who would you pick first. If you say Murali you are a lying cunt (FACT). If we were picking players for a baseball team it would be a different story. Murali has a great throwing are....hahahahaha. NO BALL!!!

[mcdelive]

@tgmcrad Haha... You little cunt sounds like lost the virginity to Warne's left hand.. he must have spin a googly in urs...! Get a life son... In years to come only stats will do the talking, & Warne will be a no-body infront of Murali... Sorry punk...!

[HeartfeltDawn]

@tgmcrad Warne would always win out (better bowler, better batsman, better fielder). That's irrelevant when we come to the chucking issue.