I sort of can't get over the fact that Harisu was a male. She's so pretty and her body is better than most women.. o-o She has a beautiful singing voice too. o-o Lol she makes me feel a bit more self concious than SNSD.
ah, u ppl leave harisu alone... XD just be optimistic and happy about it...antis suck XD shes very pretty...who rlly cares if shes a dude? doesn`t the inside matter the most? stereotyping like this is kinda for people just dont have lives and tend to be in denial XD harisu does n`t sound like a man...thats just crucial and rude to say that about someone..ppl should keep the negative comments to their self...
she doesn't sound that feminine more like a girly man..can't explain it but that's manly to me ..still, she look good as a woman..nong poy look way hotter!!!
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OMG.. cant belive that she's actually a Trans!!! thats too bad =( if she was.. and still is a female.. that would be good) to see a hot sexy trans like that? omg.. *throws up*
there are girls with deep voices too... and estrogen doesn't shrink ur vocal cords to woman levels... I don't like her voice much but to me thats her only flaw that I can observe...
yes there are girls with deep voices, but there is a fine line between masculine and deep...
while Harisu you can tell there use to be some type of male in there, there are a lot of female post opt who use take female hormones for their voices, they can also train themselves...
I'm sorry u believe estrogen will make ur voice more womanly... but I will tell u.. confidently.. that no.. it won't... Most trangender girls who do pass as women only do so cause they talk with the same i dunno a good word.. daintiness of a woman's voice. ALSO Your generalizing.. I know one girl who speaks very on par with men, and she's not tansgender at all. Also all men don't have the same voice, I have a transgender friend who never trained her voice ever, personality plays a part to help.
I'm not even gonna front, my friend is a trannie, but she has taken NO estrogen... and NO surgeries cause she can't afford them right now, however her voice still albeit being a genetically pure, healthy, fertile, post puberty male still has a female voice.. I think its cause 1) He was aware of his/her transexuality at an age (they said) of 3.. 2 They grew up with a feminine personality They didn't just mimic their mom and play as a girl infact He was very close to his dad in his younger ages.
okay, then you go tell to the transgenders who use hormones for their voices, not me
i generalize for the majority i've known of,
this could very well depend on your hearing capabilities, of course most transgender girls want to pass as the average soft girl's voice, that's whole reason why they went through all of it, to become the opposite, it can also be a plus or minus depending on how their voices were originally, and given the conditions of your friend, it seems she trained herself
not mine... I hear her voice everyday but almost everytime she calls someone to like.. forinstance.. pay a bill, u know, gets a fone call from a college or something.. they allways call her ma'am, then she says her name (which is currently a boy's Name) and then she says they are like "Um but ur a girl... that's not ur name" and stuff like that. But like I said they were aware for longtime so maybe that's the case, but I assure you taking estrogen will not change voices, only voice therapy.
what source do you have that proves female hormones does not change voices? for one thing stop mentioning estrogen, it is a primary female hormone, but that means females have more than one hormone, so hint is i am not talking about estrogen directly, I also never stated that males only have deep voices, remember, line between masculine and deep, there are males who have a feminine soft voice but still with a masculine touch, like Michael Jackson, it also depends on your natural voice
The point of everything is that a male and female do not differ, the only difference from male and female is that at from the birth males are constructed mainly constructed by testosterone and women by estrogens, the end. both males and females have both hormones are are both created by Another male and female having intercourse. A transsexual is one who says "my body and my spirit do not match so I'mma change it so it does" Everyone is not Transexuals cause they all don't conflict inside.
And then I will further educate you about what its called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrone, which are Biological girls born with the gene "XY".. they are genetically male but because their androgen receptors don't respond to androgen they devoloped as women and are usually born as females with testes inside of them instead of ovaries. I know alot about The human body, cause my friend is my life long best friend I took the time to learn about her, and in turn learned about myself as well.
If you really desired to educate urself you would make logical statements rather than compare things. A Man only posses as many male sexual characteristics as the androgen levels in his body allows it, same can be said for women, same can be said if the adverse effect were to happen as well. There are women with adams apples, there are men with breast and they can get breast cancer. The Gender system is alot more complex than I think many people relize, atleast for the human race.
You can use your own search engine to find transexual info sites... or better yet have Real transexual friends that can educate you. But if u really must know u can look up Hormone Replacement Therapy (Male to Female) to read about how hormones effect bodies after puberty, you can also go to Secondtype. com to read about how male and female differ generally (cause not everyone posses the same hormone levels) and how taking HRT before and after puberty differs.
By this convention, a person with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is a 46,XY but a phenotypic female. In basic this is a genetic mutation that has different degrees undervirilization and/or infertility in XY persons of any gender.
Don't bring in AIS because you are trying to compare to Transexuals.
Not all want to change because of a genetic mutation. Becoming who you are is a choice, not a force. The choice you don't have is what you are naturally born with. Speak of logic? Talk to a scientist.
I made it my business to know about these things because sadly I'm one of those women who are born without the ability to give birth. I consider my self Genetically Girl but If I were to be technical I'm not cause I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrone. Also being a friend of a Transexual helps, and being born with AIS kinda makes u feel more understanding to what they are goig thru, cause if I didn't have AIS I would probably become a Transexual too.
You yourself have been doing the exact same thing as I am. AIS can occur in both genders. However a person with complete AIS, has a female external appearance despite a 46XY karyotype and undescended testes, a condition termed "testicular feminization" in the past.
Because the Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome gives rise to ambiguity between the genetic and the phenotypic gender, we will use the convention 46,XY to designate a genotypic male, and 46,XX to designate a genotypic female.
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@kunzy3000 physically he became she. whatever it is, you can change the fact that he is he. Though He's soul is shifted to She, Thats Not Even Close To The Fact That He Is He. Ahahhaha if you bang Her, Then Your Straightness will loss and you will become a queer.. ahaha
i advice you not to do it.. or just to it with a toy. ahaha
@kunzy3000 Like i said, you're not straight if you bang her.. i dont care too if you bang her, hahaha... the only thing i know is if you bang her, your not straight... so even if you shout out at everyone that you are straight, you've bang a guy so it is not for me for it is a fact that you did bang a MALE. ^_^
do you even know what gay / homosexual means? you need to open your mind a little. hes born a male but deep down inside shes a girl, and she looks much more feminine then all other girls, how could you say a guy is gay or not st8 when they would bang her? all i know is gay means man who likes man, you're just jealous, admit it... you need to open up your mind and loosen up a little! the world would be much better place without people who thinks like you ^^
@jennykimori Hey Before You Say That, I Am Not Talking To *YOU* I Am Talking To Kunzy3000 And That Comment Is For Him, Are You A Retard? This is an Old Comment . And Now A Retarded Someone Just Pooped Out Of Nowhere And Comment Like He Knows What *WE* Were Talking About. I Don't Mind People Who Don't Understand And Mourning About Retardation. you need to open up your mind and loosen up a little! <--- That Goes For You.
"Like i said, you're not straight if you bang her.. i dont care too if you bang her, hahaha... the only thing i know is if you bang her, your not straight..." im just replying to this, cause i think ur not thinking when u say this, harisu is post-op means she does have a vagina, why is kunzy not st8 and gay if he do wanna bang her?
i dont consider her as a man, im just saying... if u met her in a bar, and if she didnt tell u she was born a male, would u have bang her? u probably wouldnt even know. anyway im getting out of point,the point is, someone said its gay to bang her, what im saying is... gay = men like men or woman like woman, he doesnt look anything like a man, so therefore a man bang her is not gay, and plus... shes cut right? (i think?)
either way... no matter how Harry Benjamin might tag us, we are still all human... we just individuals and we have different identities that sets us apart from one another.
God can have unconditional, but at same time can dislike something as well. Bible teaches this all over. Tell me how parents can hate their children all the time? There no existance of transexual in the bible, so no win for you, where did that even come from. Once against, HE did not create transexuals. Transexuals is not NATURAL, but a choice. You don't get condemned for feeling different. I assure you there are people who want to feel different from their body, that's called choice once again.
ummm..... being born a man doesn't make you have a males soul.... If that was the case Harisu would just be a man.... right? or am I reading ur comment wrong? anyways this is assinine, both girls and guys have males and female traits... guys have breast and girls have penises better refered as clitoris. Everyone thinks of one sex being one way and another the other, for instance the common stupidity that MEN only can have adams Apples... or that Only women can lactate from their mamories. dumb~
uhh.. that is actually true, only men have adams applies, on top of that Men don't have mamories, females have an extra rib, different hip, and a lot of things that determine a female from a male, for one thing the clitoris wraps around the walls of vagina
if being born a male doesn't give you a male soul, then wtf does? and yes Harisu IS a male
Doctors classify sex by DNA, not physical parts
you speak as if the human race is but one sex, and inside we are all transexuals
Um.. this info is weird.. one I know a few girls who have subtle adams apples. Anyways all this shit u said don't have anything to do with males or females. Your skeleton is shaped by hormones at puberty not by what gender you are, if an 8 year old boy had female level of hormones at age 13-20 he will have a female body. The end. Truth is no physical means can determine a gender 100% which is what transexuals stand for, if body and mind do not agree then they change it to what they think fits.
everything i said is right on subject, technically males and females are classified by their DNA, Females being XX, males being XY, you seem to believe that our bodies are just vessels for the soul, well, the body is suppose to represent what the soul look like, you know there are different types of female bodies, it depends on how the environment/you change it, so you also believe males/females can have the opposite hormone naturally? no they can't, it's not in their DNA
.... MEN AND FEMALES BOTH HAVE ESTROGEN AND TESTOSTERONE.. this is a FACT... it doesnt matter if u have the opposite horomone or not... cause either way u look at it.. ur going to have both hormones ANYWAYS.. DNA doesn't differntiate of who gets which hormones. DNA differentiates that during a life time, which hormone will be distrubuted more than the other. HOWEVER sometimes it doesn't do it correctly which is why both genders CAN possess traits of the other gender even in nature.
Even if having testosterone or estrogen for a male and female still does not determine the sex for the human. Like I said before, estrogen is only a primary hormone for females. Scientists still cannot prove entirely how DNA work. So everything we both have argued could most likely be false. A scientist never claims their find as fact or truth. However an absolute truth can be claimed as the DNA you came out of your mom's womb which determined your sex.
... very confusing. I think hormones very well determine ur sex. No random guy that comes up to me is going to say "Hey babe are you XY or XX" I think sex on a general note is determined by the primary and secondary sexual characteristics. I also don't believe the whole ur body reflects ur soul thing.. i see the body as a mere vessel, sorta like a car. A person that drives a black car needs not to be black, or male. Same thing with a body, cause ur given something doesn't make it "Who" you are.
Ur right I'm not science nor God, but I don't need to be to have an understanding of how Psyche and Physique are not exactly intertwined with eachother. If that was so everyone in similar situations would allways act the same. If every human body was perfectly made in their spiritual image I don't see why one they'd have to die, or two I don't see why transgendered people would exist at all. If body and soul were intertwined, their be a miracle drug to cure all sexual and gender I.D. problems.
For one, you cannot compare a car, to a human soul, cars are man made "forced", humans are natural, which this is what this entire debate is about. For one, transexuals did not exist for a very LONG time, everyone was fine the way they were until someone decided to make up all this crap. Two, we die because that's natural. Scientifically proven fact, if we get depressed (soul), we get physically sick (body). That is one representation. What is natural will always remain even if human tool change
.... I was comparing to the human BODY to a CAR.. and our souls are what's inside of the body. Because the transexual operations didn't exist for long, doesn't mean that no one was not transexual in the past. In fact there are even cultures that raise children who are transexuals as females despite not having any technology to change them to be that way. I don't need ignorant allegations from someone who doesn't understand the psyche at all.
The first possible transexual but not technically, was the Roman Emperor Elagabalus (204-222) is well documented as attempting sex-change surgery - it remains unclear if this was successful. For one thing like I said from before, there was no one for a while to feed anyone ridiculous info about transexuals. Name a culture that does that, I know mine does not because most cultures don't care for it. What proof do you have that they "did" exist near beginning. There is more proof that they don't.
I don't need to name a culture, I don't need to explain if you don't understand what a transexual is, I don't see why your even trying to inform people about them. You culture doesn't descide who you are. Your culture doesn't descide who ur going to LOVE, Your culture isn't going to descide what gender you are. And most certainly people lie to other people to try to keep a tradition at bay.. your sayings are like catholics saying that there are no gay priests.
I have the very proof that they exist now, to know that they existed in the past. No one wakes up one day and brainwashes people to become something they are not. People relate how they feel to someone else, and if they find a way to overcome that obstacle they do so. Its not about brain washing, ur culture obviously done that to u guys. Fourtunately I live in a culture where I have the freedom to think, and act on my own behalf... which is comfort to my soul.
For all I know your country could be just one of those countries that deemed people as so gay, and killed them, so of course there's be no gays,trannies,lesbos, or anything that defies their rules, cause it forces them with FEAR to be a certain way. This is not natural, it's pure RETARDED.
You don't know my culture. Yes your culture has freedom, that's why you are constantly battling each other. That's a good thing? I speak from what is written officially. You speak from what is not.
I speak from what Is experienced, not written.. every one who writes doesn't write every detail. Everyone who writes hasn't even experienced things other people have. SO how can u even say that because it wasn't written down something don't exist? I dun need to know ur culture, u allready judged me for having pride for Transgenders which I do not. Your doing God's work saying I'm sinning, When ur the one actually doing the sinning. This is why I don't abide by rules made by man, they are false.
People vattle eachother with freedom, but people degrade eachother with tradition, both are not good, nor are they bad. You have really no power to put that attribute to such actions. You can agree with ur fellow friends about how "better" tradition may be over "freedom" but that still doesn't mean it is.. and really it doesn't matter. If someone can be killed for not doing something they don't wanna DO, then that's a great thing to die for.
Anyways before u tell me how Transexuals are not woman, I wanna tell u something. to some A woman is some animal that can get pregnant for only 30 years of their life, from some people a woman is a mentally bundle of emotions that are submissive and "weak", to some like me, woman is a spiritual state of being. A woman possess qualities that make her strong in different ways than a man, they don't have to be biologically female to be a woman.
I don't believe in that shit, in being a "woman" you have to have a "womb".. to me a woman is someone who is strong in personality, able to endure and deal with mental pressures strained on them. Some of the best wives, or mothers probably are transgendered, cause they learn the key thing about being women.. Learning to CARE and ACCEPT.. to love something that may not be lovable to others. Those bitches dressed up in pretty garments parading as models may only be dolls, being a woman takes WORK.
When I take everything you written, you are implying everyone is a transexual. From my understanding, if a person wants to be transexual, they can be, doesn't mean they "HAVE" to be. What would you say to a transsexual female who doesn't claim to be a true female? Or man who doesn't want change to woman and but loves being feminine. And they possibly don't agree with your beliefs?
Then they are not transexual... a tranny is not something u become and revert back to, that's called gender confusion. If ur confused about what gender you are then that's you, but that by no means makes u a transexual. Taking myself as a for instance I'm not gonna make the mistake of referring to myself as a man or woman cause I know I am woman. If u can't say ur gender on cue, then maybe you not tranny, maybe ur just confused, and if u are that's ok. Soul searching is a big part of life.
and all I can say is "Oh no" to this acting Feminine card... Weight lifting woman aren't acting feminine.. women who play football aren't doing feminine things.. does this make em not girls? If a guy loves being feminine he's enfimmiate, if ur really tranny and u don't agree then m beliefs, then u don't. Some people believe they are a 3rd gender; go them. But the meaning of Transexual Transgender, W/e = Someone who feels their outside sex is opposite of their inside sex equivalencey.
Just like someone having a Dick doesn't necessarily make the man. It's the same way for being a woman, everyone who wears pretty make up, has a womb, and acts all prissy is not a woman. A man is someone who can be strong and provide for others, A woman is one who can be passionate and endure many things, without letting it destroy their personality. M->F Transexuals prove this by letting themselves be vulnerable to an entire world. they are very much woman to me as me and my own mother.
Everything you have said was just to contradict everything I have said, the only difference is that I'm able to see everything in its concept and not strictly base things of my false opinions. I suffer from depression and I don't get sick ever, your generalizations are pretty bland and don't constitute any real grounds, ur debate is pointless, therefore believe what u want, however, none of the shit u say really is true at all.
My soul isn't of a black AIS women, and for u to tell me that my body is the reflections of how my soul look is utter nonsense. Being transgender doesn't mean that 100% ur going to become a woman.. some transexuals live live as men always feeling as women in heart... The action has NOTHING to do with the reality of the feeling itself. So spare me ur bullshit, only the surgery hasn't been around long, tansexuals prolly existed ever since the begining of Man.
"Being transgender doesn't mean that 100% ur going to become a woman." That's what I've been arguing with you about, don't matter how much you change yourself, you cannot change what is natural, you can go ahead categorize but scientists, the Law, and God does not agree with your transsexual pride. Female (♀) is the sex of an organism, or a part of an organism, which produces ova (egg cells). Argue with the creator of the term. My argument has more basis than yours.
Sure u do know what science and God does cause u frequently talk to God every day huh? Um since when did God ever say you are what ur body is? Its not in the Bible, Ints not in the Quoran, Its not even in life period.. so where did u get this excerpt from? If God did believe this how would he ever make the mistake of having transexuals exist. Science can;t prove anything so how can they say what and what doesn't exist. And I worded that wrong, Female was the correct term.
A woman is a mental state of being, a female is a biological state of being. a Transgender will never be able to be female, but if you have ever read the Bible God never speaks of Male or female, nor does he even state that a Man is a Male. All in which I believe are mental states of being, God doesn't disagree with transgender phenomenon, Humans Do, and Humans wrote the Bible in ways to curse those whom which they don't seem productive. I could careless about what religion has to say.
Prudence is not only out of a text book,research, and ... oh for the love of Jesus, from anything man made. Virtue, knowledge, and all things come from reality, not a stupid text book of random theories made up by other people. I could careless what Science, The Bible, Or LAW says. cause in reality Laws are only temporary, such as everything else in the physical world.
God said your body is a temple. God did not make transsexuals exist, humans did. A woman is a mental state of being? You are arguing against written definition. The Bible in the speaks of God creating man, then woman created from man. "Man/Male" is English word. Hebrew is the original form, man and male is the same. God disagrees because it state you are not suppose to change your body, your temple. God also disagrees with gays. You don't care about religion but you quote from Bible..
Even so its very difficult to interpret God's "Hebrew speaking Miraculously" words. And again God refers to the body as something else besodes the soul. Wasan't it in the Bible that says God has unconditional love.. Then tell me why "He" hates so many things? How can You hate something You created urself. Trangenders didn't make themselves, and u said Trannies didn't even exist long. HOWEVER they existed LONG ENOUGH to be put in the BIBLE... JUST WOW... Hypocrisy for the win.
exuse me for all the typos, for I had to pee. The point is.. Just cause I don't follow Religion, doesn't meant that I don't believe in God, and the very God that is put in the Bible, I think is very Fairy tale ish, just like Santa Clause. If God is the only thing that creates, and creates things to love him, how is he going to hate something he created such as Transexuals. No one "Wants" to feel like a Girl but have an XY body, I don't wanna have AIS.. But I do. SO I should be condemned?
God can have unconditional, but at same time can dislike something as well. Bible teaches this all over. Tell me how parents can hate their children all the time? There no existance of transexual in the bible, so no win for you, where did that even come from. Once against, HE did not create transexuals. Transexuals is not NATURAL, but a choice. You don't get condemned for feeling different. I assure you there are people who want to feel different from their body, that's called choice once again.
Then u should read ur bible again cause I can clearly read where it says "A man shouldn't wear a garment of women, and the vice versa" meaning some aspect of tran-anything must have existed. And anyways I don't see the relevence of the Bible, it only speaks in metaphors, the Bible doesn't even say God dislikes Gays. It says a man shouldn't sleep with his sisters husband or something retarded. I dodn't think gay guys do that alot.
Transsexualism is a condition in which a person identifies with a physical sex different from the one that they were born with or assigned in cases where ambiguity of the child's sex organs led to assigning them a physical sex.
A man shouldn't wear a garment of women and vice versa, means you can't be a crossdresser, BIG DIFFERENCE.
technically it says: If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
For one says lie with a woman.. one men can't lie with other men the same as a woman. so its retarded, 2 whoever the hell wrote this is on if God wanted them to Die then all the gays be dead. It's clearly man written.
Thanks for the nice definition though... Only proves the realism of how transexuality is not a choice. You don't have to get surgery, If u don't want to be socially recognized as the gender you are. However That right there doesn't make u NOT transexual. You don't become transexual after a surgery, you are transexual with or without it. you don't need tits and a vagina to be as woman as other women. I think most trannies do the surgery to not be considered "gay"~which they aren't.
The definition proves realism of choice, a person identifies? meaning they chose it. Generally people who change their sex after surgery do so because they believe they should chose so.
Sure.. so people just change their sex cause some mystical demon came next to them and said "Hey dude change ur body" or because someone tricked them into it? Identification, AGAIN is not a choice. please, spare me.... Did I choose my name? Did I choose my body? Did I choose my hair color? NO.. Identity isn't a choice. No one chooses to be born gay, tranny, deaf, mute, blind, miscarried, bipolar, schitzo, depressed, black, ehite, puertorican, male, female, long necked, etc. etc.
We are talking about if choice exists in transexualism. Stop comparing it to other subjects. Once again if you speak with being born, those are natural, means not choice like you said. Transexuals are NOT natural, it is NOT in your DNA. God does not make surgery, humans did. I am in body of male, but I believe I am born with a Dragon's soul. I am a Dragon. Would you believe that?
HUMANS are GOD MADE, IF GOD MADE HUMANS HOW IS TRANSEXUALITY NOT WHAT GOD MADE IF HE MADE HUMANS TO BEGIN WITH, IF GOD MAKES EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE, HOW IS HE NOT THE MAKER OF OF EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE, again Religion = Hypocrisy.. and how do u know its not natural? ahve u ever heard of the penguins? the one that was male kept stealing an egg and had another male lover... if it occurs in nature, its natural.
Does a transgender believe they are a dragon? ur fantasy is not to be compared to what a transexual is....... and u know what u need further education cause believing you are something u are not also occurs in animals as well, please... look up on youtube about the chimp that believed he was really human, and acted humane for the most part. A psyche isn't man made, it's God made, or u should just deny the existence of God and go to another religion. As it's much fitting to ur argument.
Basically we are arguing against what is natural and what is not, which is what we've been doing since beginning. You do not have proof that transexuals is natural, originally from DNA as well. I never once declared soul is man made, where you get that from. What if I was to tell you I have spiritual connection to... God made, and it would hint to me all answers to this world, would you believe? That is something you have to find out for yourself.
you are justificating that souls are human made, when u say someone personally chooses to be transgender, as if people personally choose to be attracted to somethings. Do I personally choose to dislike cheese, or any food for that matter, how come I would choose to starve than eat another person? I don't think I choose to like or dislike something, even tho its fact I won't know if I like it till I experience it. Another Law of Nature.
Transexuals do choose to get surgery, or not, they choose what surgery they want, but just like I didn't choose to be a heterosexual black girl born with the inability to produce eggs. I highly doubt my best friend "Chose" to be a black man with a soul that identifies with females, living a lonely life cause she feels she can't express herself socially because she was born with an XY body. I believe God made the surgery even possible, if God didn't really want something, it wouldn't be here.
And I'm proud to say whole heartedly; I thank GOD for this surgery even existing cause now my friend can live out her life without feeling completely miserable, like some ppl. I mean both of us share the trait of not being able to bear children, it comforts me also because she always reminds me I'm not the only woman who can't bear babies at all. You can blame man made it, but they'd never make it without Gods green earth and the possiblity of it even being able to be done, both maybe God's work
Also the Bible is written about stuff that mainly happend some were in the Middle east... what about the rest of the world? was the whole world in Isreal? Where was china russia japan hawaii? Did this not exist when the Bible created.. or could only prophets tell tales of the ones near them? Bible = made by man, for man.. That's not God's book, why would someone so powerful leave his words in a book. Reality is, cause it never did.
And if you really want to, go argue with the transexuals who are "confused" by your beliefs. That's a whole other story. You can't just say, "hey all you transexuals, I say this, so you ALL now must believe it too." I am sure there are more than one type of transexual perspective that would eventually disagree with you. Other wise that would contradicts what you said about the soul and body.
It makes no sense... if u don't identify physical sex, different than the w\one given to u, ur not trannie.. u can call urself tranni but ur not.. surgery doesn't give you the right to be transexual.. for all I know they could just be gay people in girls clothing trying to get some Bi sexual loving. The whole term transexual goes with the main concept that the psyche and physical don't match; NOTHING ELSE; it's not complicated.. actually its very bland. Transexuality is more psyche than action
I dun need a therapist, doctor, scientist, PH.D master psychologist tell me how trannies feel, I think just being alive is enough to understand how they feel somewhat.. Like I said I'm forced to be basically and inadequate girl, I didn't choose so,God deemed it so. SO I am.. just like this natural disorder happend to me, is the same case to trangenders and many others. Some people were born with bad immune systems, some with heart diseases. its all the same. Problems which cannot be changed.
You could choose to be pretend to be homosexual, but would u actually feel comfortable being with the other sex? or would u feel like ur lying to urself, would u be happy if u were a girl married for 15 years and find out ur husband is inlove with a man cause he was forced to hide his Free will to obey some tradition? No I don't think ur brain could even similate the experience. You don't choose what you like.. I can't just choose myself to like cheese. That is the law of nature.
Um naturally if you stick to your current state, then you chose so, not because you are forced to. Everyone has opportunity. I can choose myself to what I like, you are now arguing against mentality which is totally based on perception only.
really AznZiShu, then please teach me how can I miraculously choose to become pregnant. Please, I don't think I'm sticking to the choice of having child or not, I think that was out of my power to begin with. Just like many things in life, u may beluieve that blind people can wish themselves to see, but reality is, they won't, and they didn't choose to be born blind. They brain can't even accurately project the psyche until I think about a year or 2 after being born.
Once again, STOP comparing yourself to transexuals. Being born with things are natural. We cannot choose that like I said. What we can choose is what we do with ourselves after our given birth. BIG difference between the words idenity, and idenitify,(an action, a choice).
I sort of can't get over the fact that Harisu was a male. She's so pretty and her body is better than most women.. o-o She has a beautiful singing voice too. o-o Lol she makes me feel a bit more self concious than SNSD.
Lun3lla 4 months ago
her voice is weird..
kimpeater1 5 months ago
@kimpeater1 Looks like no transgender can ever hide the "voice".
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Wish her voice was bit more feminine it sounds like a man still
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HTML2011 9 months ago
Anyone know if she's pre or post operative??
Sablicious 9 months ago
@Sablicious I heard He Was Post
TommyyTwoThumbs 8 months ago
@TommyyTwoThumbs Yes. I think so... HE?! =/
Sablicious 8 months ago
@Sablicious >.> Mhm
TommyyTwoThumbs 8 months ago
I'm in love with Harisu !!! <33
I'm a female by the way
pofpofa 11 months ago
if a man can become like this after going under the kife, a real girl will be even more sexy
MsEZRA1234 1 year ago
does anyone know the song that starts at the beginning and then plays again at 1:37?
Starlightbeauty1225 1 year ago
God bless you Harisu. Hello from Turkei.
serkalac 1 year ago 2
koreans hating her bec. she is more feminine than korean female
greenpalaka 1 year ago
ah, u ppl leave harisu alone... XD just be optimistic and happy about it...antis suck XD shes very pretty...who rlly cares if shes a dude? doesn`t the inside matter the most? stereotyping like this is kinda for people just dont have lives and tend to be in denial XD harisu does n`t sound like a man...thats just crucial and rude to say that about someone..ppl should keep the negative comments to their self...
iloveAZNboyz16 1 year ago 2
SEXY!!!!!!!!!!! Till he/she starts talking o_O
VOLTIS5 2 years ago
kunzy 3000 why do you have the need to put im straight btw in every post are you that insecure of your sexuality?
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she doesn't sound that feminine more like a girly man..can't explain it but that's manly to me ..still, she look good as a woman..nong poy look way hotter!!!
annime7 2 years ago
well.... life is more fun and challenging being trans. all that prejudice and discrimination made them stronger and even... beautiful.
haitang 2 years ago 2
young is not forever
so how do u think when you are old
sex change are stupid
terikujik 2 years ago 5
@terikujik Well Said!
strychnine7777 1 year ago
as the hottest transexxual women ever, she should rly do something with her voice
xFlare13x 2 years ago
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from a man then becoming a woman.......
i guess this is one of the example when you do not accept who you really are..........
RainingFlow19 2 years ago
Ummm your wrong.
This is an example of Accepting who you REALLY are.
It's called "Transgender"
Harisu is a woman, who was born with male parts, and she fixed her problem.
It's just like being born with an extra finger, you can't help it.
QueenOfTheBlogs 2 years ago 21
ohh sorry then...
RainingFlow19 2 years ago 3
she's korean
oo0oohead 2 years ago 3
shes Korean!!!!! not thai goodness gracious
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Margaretdoll55 2 years ago
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OMG.. cant belive that she's actually a Trans!!! thats too bad =( if she was.. and still is a female.. that would be good) to see a hot sexy trans like that? omg.. *throws up*
CigarateLife 2 years ago
it's really hard to believe that she was once a man,,
but it's kinda evident when you hear her voice..
but she's still pretty and she rocks being a girl^-^
eeteukkie 3 years ago
Does anyone know what song that is that starts at 1:37? If anyone know, can you tell me, I would really appreciate it thank you!!! ^_^
Starlightbeauty1225 3 years ago
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Exterminate her/him
oOKiOkOo 3 years ago
Wow
I'm not her fans but she really pretty, sexy and hot.
Hyori can't compete her.
learnalitheway 3 years ago
his voice is still a man voice lol....
fidz87 3 years ago
btw, the song also starts at the beginning of the clip too, haha! ^_^
Starlightbeauty1225 3 years ago
Does anyone know what song that is that starts at 1:37? If anyone know, can you tell me, I would really appreciate it thank you!!! ^_^
Starlightbeauty1225 3 years ago
she is so gorgeous , she is daughter of god
piccolinaAna 3 years ago
shes a MAN!
covetgrrrl 3 years ago
i heard wen harisu gets drunk his man voice comes out LOL
f0gGenxk 3 years ago 3
i think she needs more female hormones to cchange her masculine voice
AznZiShu 3 years ago
there are girls with deep voices too... and estrogen doesn't shrink ur vocal cords to woman levels... I don't like her voice much but to me thats her only flaw that I can observe...
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
yes there are girls with deep voices, but there is a fine line between masculine and deep...
while Harisu you can tell there use to be some type of male in there, there are a lot of female post opt who use take female hormones for their voices, they can also train themselves...
AznZiShu 3 years ago
I'm sorry u believe estrogen will make ur voice more womanly... but I will tell u.. confidently.. that no.. it won't... Most trangender girls who do pass as women only do so cause they talk with the same i dunno a good word.. daintiness of a woman's voice. ALSO Your generalizing.. I know one girl who speaks very on par with men, and she's not tansgender at all. Also all men don't have the same voice, I have a transgender friend who never trained her voice ever, personality plays a part to help.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
I'm not even gonna front, my friend is a trannie, but she has taken NO estrogen... and NO surgeries cause she can't afford them right now, however her voice still albeit being a genetically pure, healthy, fertile, post puberty male still has a female voice.. I think its cause 1) He was aware of his/her transexuality at an age (they said) of 3.. 2 They grew up with a feminine personality They didn't just mimic their mom and play as a girl infact He was very close to his dad in his younger ages.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
okay, then you go tell to the transgenders who use hormones for their voices, not me
i generalize for the majority i've known of,
this could very well depend on your hearing capabilities, of course most transgender girls want to pass as the average soft girl's voice, that's whole reason why they went through all of it, to become the opposite, it can also be a plus or minus depending on how their voices were originally, and given the conditions of your friend, it seems she trained herself
AznZiShu 3 years ago
not mine... I hear her voice everyday but almost everytime she calls someone to like.. forinstance.. pay a bill, u know, gets a fone call from a college or something.. they allways call her ma'am, then she says her name (which is currently a boy's Name) and then she says they are like "Um but ur a girl... that's not ur name" and stuff like that. But like I said they were aware for longtime so maybe that's the case, but I assure you taking estrogen will not change voices, only voice therapy.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
what source do you have that proves female hormones does not change voices? for one thing stop mentioning estrogen, it is a primary female hormone, but that means females have more than one hormone, so hint is i am not talking about estrogen directly, I also never stated that males only have deep voices, remember, line between masculine and deep, there are males who have a feminine soft voice but still with a masculine touch, like Michael Jackson, it also depends on your natural voice
AznZiShu 3 years ago
The point of everything is that a male and female do not differ, the only difference from male and female is that at from the birth males are constructed mainly constructed by testosterone and women by estrogens, the end. both males and females have both hormones are are both created by Another male and female having intercourse. A transsexual is one who says "my body and my spirit do not match so I'mma change it so it does" Everyone is not Transexuals cause they all don't conflict inside.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
And then I will further educate you about what its called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrone, which are Biological girls born with the gene "XY".. they are genetically male but because their androgen receptors don't respond to androgen they devoloped as women and are usually born as females with testes inside of them instead of ovaries. I know alot about The human body, cause my friend is my life long best friend I took the time to learn about her, and in turn learned about myself as well.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
If you really desired to educate urself you would make logical statements rather than compare things. A Man only posses as many male sexual characteristics as the androgen levels in his body allows it, same can be said for women, same can be said if the adverse effect were to happen as well. There are women with adams apples, there are men with breast and they can get breast cancer. The Gender system is alot more complex than I think many people relize, atleast for the human race.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
You can use your own search engine to find transexual info sites... or better yet have Real transexual friends that can educate you. But if u really must know u can look up Hormone Replacement Therapy (Male to Female) to read about how hormones effect bodies after puberty, you can also go to Secondtype. com to read about how male and female differ generally (cause not everyone posses the same hormone levels) and how taking HRT before and after puberty differs.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
By this convention, a person with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is a 46,XY but a phenotypic female. In basic this is a genetic mutation that has different degrees undervirilization and/or infertility in XY persons of any gender.
Don't bring in AIS because you are trying to compare to Transexuals.
Not all want to change because of a genetic mutation. Becoming who you are is a choice, not a force. The choice you don't have is what you are naturally born with. Speak of logic? Talk to a scientist.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
I made it my business to know about these things because sadly I'm one of those women who are born without the ability to give birth. I consider my self Genetically Girl but If I were to be technical I'm not cause I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrone. Also being a friend of a Transexual helps, and being born with AIS kinda makes u feel more understanding to what they are goig thru, cause if I didn't have AIS I would probably become a Transexual too.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
You yourself have been doing the exact same thing as I am. AIS can occur in both genders. However a person with complete AIS, has a female external appearance despite a 46XY karyotype and undescended testes, a condition termed "testicular feminization" in the past.
Because the Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome gives rise to ambiguity between the genetic and the phenotypic gender, we will use the convention 46,XY to designate a genotypic male, and 46,XX to designate a genotypic female.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
omfg - 1:57 = most awesome hat ever!
Also Harisu is really gorgeous. xD
InsignificantPuppet 3 years ago
Ummm... **cough cough** Random but is her thingy there anymore??
ikay214 3 years ago
nope lol
gabaybe 3 years ago
lol i think that where the surgery came in!! :P
143art 3 years ago
yea its been gone for a while... lol
08parkj 3 years ago
Wow, she looks more womanly in this clip, prior to some other clip I've seen. =D Very pretty.
LadyYuina 4 years ago
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this is ulgy jap dute, what the fuck ????
InspectorFerret 4 years ago
it is korean
ushabti 4 years ago
U cant distinguish between jap and korean, then dont say anything.
shiningyrlife 4 years ago 3
All we Care is - Don't ever use our South East Asia (Thailand)as Jap Chin Mongo Escaping from their Ugliness.... So fuck off from my mother native Thailand.
InspectorFerret 3 years ago
He would've been a Hot guy..
NoMinJu 4 years ago 4
very. :DD
kouhii020 4 years ago
shes 168 cm~~
Kofz168 3 years ago
I KNOW! i'm almost regretful..
but she makes such a sexy female too~ i'm glad for her
solusnoir 3 years ago
beautiful
no1000 4 years ago
SO HOT& SEXY!! GO GIRL~~~*^^*~~~
princessmikim 4 years ago
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Japanese shemale. they can fool ya!boo!
tintongp 4 years ago
She's Korean.
anthroptics 4 years ago 3
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its not a girl its a man..her freaken voice sound like a man..this shemale will always be a man
cumpao 4 years ago
Voice had nothing to do with gender, many girls have freaking voice too =_=
shiningyrlife 4 years ago
Who fucking cares
She's more sexier than all you females
I would bang her all day
Am a straight guy btw
kunzy3000 2 years ago 21
@kunzy3000 your not straight if you bang her.. ahaha
strychnine7777 1 year ago
@strychnine7777
str8 baby
trust me
kunzy3000 1 year ago
@kunzy3000 physically he became she. whatever it is, you can change the fact that he is he. Though He's soul is shifted to She, Thats Not Even Close To The Fact That He Is He. Ahahhaha if you bang Her, Then Your Straightness will loss and you will become a queer.. ahaha
i advice you not to do it.. or just to it with a toy. ahaha
strychnine7777 1 year ago
@strychnine7777
like i said , i don't care
i still bang her
kunzy3000 1 year ago
@kunzy3000 Like i said, you're not straight if you bang her.. i dont care too if you bang her, hahaha... the only thing i know is if you bang her, your not straight... so even if you shout out at everyone that you are straight, you've bang a guy so it is not for me for it is a fact that you did bang a MALE. ^_^
ahahaha
strychnine7777 1 year ago
@strychnine7777
u sound like a female
jealous , right ?
we understand
kunzy3000 1 year ago
@kunzy3000 Oh i think my reply to this was delete, or i maybe forgot to reply...
i can only say this once.. if you can notion, better, if you cant then writhe knowing something you cant.
strychnine7777 1 year ago
@strychnine7777
She's a woman. So yes you can be straight if you bang her.
kingboobs20 9 months ago
@strychnine7777
do you even know what gay / homosexual means? you need to open your mind a little. hes born a male but deep down inside shes a girl, and she looks much more feminine then all other girls, how could you say a guy is gay or not st8 when they would bang her? all i know is gay means man who likes man, you're just jealous, admit it... you need to open up your mind and loosen up a little! the world would be much better place without people who thinks like you ^^
jennykimori 1 year ago
@jennykimori Hey Before You Say That, I Am Not Talking To *YOU* I Am Talking To Kunzy3000 And That Comment Is For Him, Are You A Retard? This is an Old Comment . And Now A Retarded Someone Just Pooped Out Of Nowhere And Comment Like He Knows What *WE* Were Talking About. I Don't Mind People Who Don't Understand And Mourning About Retardation. you need to open up your mind and loosen up a little! <--- That Goes For You.
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@strychnine7777
"Like i said, you're not straight if you bang her.. i dont care too if you bang her, hahaha... the only thing i know is if you bang her, your not straight..." im just replying to this, cause i think ur not thinking when u say this, harisu is post-op means she does have a vagina, why is kunzy not st8 and gay if he do wanna bang her?
jennykimori 1 year ago
@jennykimori
so how could man bang with man??? do u realize what u are talking bout ???
terikujik 1 year ago
@terikujik
i dont consider her as a man, im just saying... if u met her in a bar, and if she didnt tell u she was born a male, would u have bang her? u probably wouldnt even know. anyway im getting out of point,the point is, someone said its gay to bang her, what im saying is... gay = men like men or woman like woman, he doesnt look anything like a man, so therefore a man bang her is not gay, and plus... shes cut right? (i think?)
jennykimori 1 year ago 2
@jennykimori
You're funny.
TheBillyhub 1 year ago
@jennykimori Dude. I'd "bang" her if the world knew she was a T-girl and it was done on live TV AND she had a gargantuan dong! :P
(Well... preferably no the last part : /)
Sablicious 9 months ago
@terikujik ugh, anal sex? lol
bluemonolith88 1 year ago
@terikujik she is a woman in all terms.. period!
GigglyGily 1 year ago
liar, she does excercise! she may tell you she dont but she does
princessadiamond 4 years ago
can u believe she doesnt work out!? omg jealouss lol
Akusesu 4 years ago
pretty guy? heh?
RehMyz 4 years ago
Traps are ok as long as they don't speak.
ballebanan 4 years ago
I Love Her She is really Hot and Coool on a platter
Aphrodite85 4 years ago
This is for the people who dont' know anything about Harisu.. this person was originally a man ( search for newhalf Harisu )
i would allow myself to turn gay for this pretty boy :) even once or 1000 times hahaha
tommyn79 4 years ago
bet micheal jackson would cry if he seen how pretty they made this guy look...
iwantolderwoman2002 4 years ago 5
she looks 100 times better than the current Miss Universe from Japan.
m00dynicky 4 years ago
I don't know about "100 times", but... errr... TOUCHE!!
:P
Sablicious 4 years ago
so confused... -.-?
Rolex88 4 years ago
watch her vid at shufuni. com/voyeur/ 9c4f94df9ac9f8941b75df430aa3b0e7. html
killertacos 4 years ago
she sound like a dude, look nasty without makeup
sesamerolls 4 years ago
wow no kidding thats a pretty man
8032810 4 years ago
In the words of Austin Powers:
"She's a man, baby"
kjkidd 4 years ago
Dude looks like a lady! lol
shadler 4 years ago
she is beautifull. hermosa. bonitaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
edgar46 5 years ago
Amazing...more competition for the real women.
johncarter55 5 years ago
holy thats a guy? wow he looks so girl. i cldnt tell
Thaiwscoy 5 years ago
From a womans point of view, he's beautiful.
voeuth 5 years ago
lol, love your sense of humor XD, but you're very corrrect!!!! lol
zerogravity008 4 years ago
I love the no-bs aura she projects. Sweet, but obviously her own person, and has been through the wringers a bit.
When on the runway, the music playing was by Cibo Matto. Groovy.
Shufei 5 years ago
Yo Harisu is a guy man ... Thats y his/her voice is deep!! hahahhahaha
soju514 5 years ago
she is a post-op...
she was a TG... now she is a TS.
^_^
either way... no matter how Harry Benjamin might tag us, we are still all human... we just individuals and we have different identities that sets us apart from one another.
giaselma 5 years ago
is she/he a post-op or pre-op trannie?
laurance2001 5 years ago
God can have unconditional, but at same time can dislike something as well. Bible teaches this all over. Tell me how parents can hate their children all the time? There no existance of transexual in the bible, so no win for you, where did that even come from. Once against, HE did not create transexuals. Transexuals is not NATURAL, but a choice. You don't get condemned for feeling different. I assure you there are people who want to feel different from their body, that's called choice once again.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
sometimes its hard for trannies to shake their former maleness, make sense you cant change the soul you were born with lol
kaykaybobay 5 years ago
ummm..... being born a man doesn't make you have a males soul.... If that was the case Harisu would just be a man.... right? or am I reading ur comment wrong? anyways this is assinine, both girls and guys have males and female traits... guys have breast and girls have penises better refered as clitoris. Everyone thinks of one sex being one way and another the other, for instance the common stupidity that MEN only can have adams Apples... or that Only women can lactate from their mamories. dumb~
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
uhh.. that is actually true, only men have adams applies, on top of that Men don't have mamories, females have an extra rib, different hip, and a lot of things that determine a female from a male, for one thing the clitoris wraps around the walls of vagina
if being born a male doesn't give you a male soul, then wtf does? and yes Harisu IS a male
Doctors classify sex by DNA, not physical parts
you speak as if the human race is but one sex, and inside we are all transexuals
AznZiShu 3 years ago
Um.. this info is weird.. one I know a few girls who have subtle adams apples. Anyways all this shit u said don't have anything to do with males or females. Your skeleton is shaped by hormones at puberty not by what gender you are, if an 8 year old boy had female level of hormones at age 13-20 he will have a female body. The end. Truth is no physical means can determine a gender 100% which is what transexuals stand for, if body and mind do not agree then they change it to what they think fits.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
u aren't science or God
everything i said is right on subject, technically males and females are classified by their DNA, Females being XX, males being XY, you seem to believe that our bodies are just vessels for the soul, well, the body is suppose to represent what the soul look like, you know there are different types of female bodies, it depends on how the environment/you change it, so you also believe males/females can have the opposite hormone naturally? no they can't, it's not in their DNA
AznZiShu 3 years ago
.... MEN AND FEMALES BOTH HAVE ESTROGEN AND TESTOSTERONE.. this is a FACT... it doesnt matter if u have the opposite horomone or not... cause either way u look at it.. ur going to have both hormones ANYWAYS.. DNA doesn't differntiate of who gets which hormones. DNA differentiates that during a life time, which hormone will be distrubuted more than the other. HOWEVER sometimes it doesn't do it correctly which is why both genders CAN possess traits of the other gender even in nature.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Even if having testosterone or estrogen for a male and female still does not determine the sex for the human. Like I said before, estrogen is only a primary hormone for females. Scientists still cannot prove entirely how DNA work. So everything we both have argued could most likely be false. A scientist never claims their find as fact or truth. However an absolute truth can be claimed as the DNA you came out of your mom's womb which determined your sex.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
... very confusing. I think hormones very well determine ur sex. No random guy that comes up to me is going to say "Hey babe are you XY or XX" I think sex on a general note is determined by the primary and secondary sexual characteristics. I also don't believe the whole ur body reflects ur soul thing.. i see the body as a mere vessel, sorta like a car. A person that drives a black car needs not to be black, or male. Same thing with a body, cause ur given something doesn't make it "Who" you are.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Ur right I'm not science nor God, but I don't need to be to have an understanding of how Psyche and Physique are not exactly intertwined with eachother. If that was so everyone in similar situations would allways act the same. If every human body was perfectly made in their spiritual image I don't see why one they'd have to die, or two I don't see why transgendered people would exist at all. If body and soul were intertwined, their be a miracle drug to cure all sexual and gender I.D. problems.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
For one, you cannot compare a car, to a human soul, cars are man made "forced", humans are natural, which this is what this entire debate is about. For one, transexuals did not exist for a very LONG time, everyone was fine the way they were until someone decided to make up all this crap. Two, we die because that's natural. Scientifically proven fact, if we get depressed (soul), we get physically sick (body). That is one representation. What is natural will always remain even if human tool change
AznZiShu 3 years ago
.... I was comparing to the human BODY to a CAR.. and our souls are what's inside of the body. Because the transexual operations didn't exist for long, doesn't mean that no one was not transexual in the past. In fact there are even cultures that raise children who are transexuals as females despite not having any technology to change them to be that way. I don't need ignorant allegations from someone who doesn't understand the psyche at all.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
The first possible transexual but not technically, was the Roman Emperor Elagabalus (204-222) is well documented as attempting sex-change surgery - it remains unclear if this was successful. For one thing like I said from before, there was no one for a while to feed anyone ridiculous info about transexuals. Name a culture that does that, I know mine does not because most cultures don't care for it. What proof do you have that they "did" exist near beginning. There is more proof that they don't.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
I don't need to name a culture, I don't need to explain if you don't understand what a transexual is, I don't see why your even trying to inform people about them. You culture doesn't descide who you are. Your culture doesn't descide who ur going to LOVE, Your culture isn't going to descide what gender you are. And most certainly people lie to other people to try to keep a tradition at bay.. your sayings are like catholics saying that there are no gay priests.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
I have the very proof that they exist now, to know that they existed in the past. No one wakes up one day and brainwashes people to become something they are not. People relate how they feel to someone else, and if they find a way to overcome that obstacle they do so. Its not about brain washing, ur culture obviously done that to u guys. Fourtunately I live in a culture where I have the freedom to think, and act on my own behalf... which is comfort to my soul.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
For all I know your country could be just one of those countries that deemed people as so gay, and killed them, so of course there's be no gays,trannies,lesbos, or anything that defies their rules, cause it forces them with FEAR to be a certain way. This is not natural, it's pure RETARDED.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
You don't know my culture. Yes your culture has freedom, that's why you are constantly battling each other. That's a good thing? I speak from what is written officially. You speak from what is not.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
I speak from what Is experienced, not written.. every one who writes doesn't write every detail. Everyone who writes hasn't even experienced things other people have. SO how can u even say that because it wasn't written down something don't exist? I dun need to know ur culture, u allready judged me for having pride for Transgenders which I do not. Your doing God's work saying I'm sinning, When ur the one actually doing the sinning. This is why I don't abide by rules made by man, they are false.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
People vattle eachother with freedom, but people degrade eachother with tradition, both are not good, nor are they bad. You have really no power to put that attribute to such actions. You can agree with ur fellow friends about how "better" tradition may be over "freedom" but that still doesn't mean it is.. and really it doesn't matter. If someone can be killed for not doing something they don't wanna DO, then that's a great thing to die for.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Anyways before u tell me how Transexuals are not woman, I wanna tell u something. to some A woman is some animal that can get pregnant for only 30 years of their life, from some people a woman is a mentally bundle of emotions that are submissive and "weak", to some like me, woman is a spiritual state of being. A woman possess qualities that make her strong in different ways than a man, they don't have to be biologically female to be a woman.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
I don't believe in that shit, in being a "woman" you have to have a "womb".. to me a woman is someone who is strong in personality, able to endure and deal with mental pressures strained on them. Some of the best wives, or mothers probably are transgendered, cause they learn the key thing about being women.. Learning to CARE and ACCEPT.. to love something that may not be lovable to others. Those bitches dressed up in pretty garments parading as models may only be dolls, being a woman takes WORK.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
When I take everything you written, you are implying everyone is a transexual. From my understanding, if a person wants to be transexual, they can be, doesn't mean they "HAVE" to be. What would you say to a transsexual female who doesn't claim to be a true female? Or man who doesn't want change to woman and but loves being feminine. And they possibly don't agree with your beliefs?
AznZiShu 3 years ago
Then they are not transexual... a tranny is not something u become and revert back to, that's called gender confusion. If ur confused about what gender you are then that's you, but that by no means makes u a transexual. Taking myself as a for instance I'm not gonna make the mistake of referring to myself as a man or woman cause I know I am woman. If u can't say ur gender on cue, then maybe you not tranny, maybe ur just confused, and if u are that's ok. Soul searching is a big part of life.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
and all I can say is "Oh no" to this acting Feminine card... Weight lifting woman aren't acting feminine.. women who play football aren't doing feminine things.. does this make em not girls? If a guy loves being feminine he's enfimmiate, if ur really tranny and u don't agree then m beliefs, then u don't. Some people believe they are a 3rd gender; go them. But the meaning of Transexual Transgender, W/e = Someone who feels their outside sex is opposite of their inside sex equivalencey.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Just like someone having a Dick doesn't necessarily make the man. It's the same way for being a woman, everyone who wears pretty make up, has a womb, and acts all prissy is not a woman. A man is someone who can be strong and provide for others, A woman is one who can be passionate and endure many things, without letting it destroy their personality. M->F Transexuals prove this by letting themselves be vulnerable to an entire world. they are very much woman to me as me and my own mother.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Everything you have said was just to contradict everything I have said, the only difference is that I'm able to see everything in its concept and not strictly base things of my false opinions. I suffer from depression and I don't get sick ever, your generalizations are pretty bland and don't constitute any real grounds, ur debate is pointless, therefore believe what u want, however, none of the shit u say really is true at all.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
My soul isn't of a black AIS women, and for u to tell me that my body is the reflections of how my soul look is utter nonsense. Being transgender doesn't mean that 100% ur going to become a woman.. some transexuals live live as men always feeling as women in heart... The action has NOTHING to do with the reality of the feeling itself. So spare me ur bullshit, only the surgery hasn't been around long, tansexuals prolly existed ever since the begining of Man.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
"Being transgender doesn't mean that 100% ur going to become a woman." That's what I've been arguing with you about, don't matter how much you change yourself, you cannot change what is natural, you can go ahead categorize but scientists, the Law, and God does not agree with your transsexual pride. Female (♀) is the sex of an organism, or a part of an organism, which produces ova (egg cells). Argue with the creator of the term. My argument has more basis than yours.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
Sure u do know what science and God does cause u frequently talk to God every day huh? Um since when did God ever say you are what ur body is? Its not in the Bible, Ints not in the Quoran, Its not even in life period.. so where did u get this excerpt from? If God did believe this how would he ever make the mistake of having transexuals exist. Science can;t prove anything so how can they say what and what doesn't exist. And I worded that wrong, Female was the correct term.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
A woman is a mental state of being, a female is a biological state of being. a Transgender will never be able to be female, but if you have ever read the Bible God never speaks of Male or female, nor does he even state that a Man is a Male. All in which I believe are mental states of being, God doesn't disagree with transgender phenomenon, Humans Do, and Humans wrote the Bible in ways to curse those whom which they don't seem productive. I could careless about what religion has to say.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Prudence is not only out of a text book,research, and ... oh for the love of Jesus, from anything man made. Virtue, knowledge, and all things come from reality, not a stupid text book of random theories made up by other people. I could careless what Science, The Bible, Or LAW says. cause in reality Laws are only temporary, such as everything else in the physical world.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
God said your body is a temple. God did not make transsexuals exist, humans did. A woman is a mental state of being? You are arguing against written definition. The Bible in the speaks of God creating man, then woman created from man. "Man/Male" is English word. Hebrew is the original form, man and male is the same. God disagrees because it state you are not suppose to change your body, your temple. God also disagrees with gays. You don't care about religion but you quote from Bible..
AznZiShu 3 years ago
Even so its very difficult to interpret God's "Hebrew speaking Miraculously" words. And again God refers to the body as something else besodes the soul. Wasan't it in the Bible that says God has unconditional love.. Then tell me why "He" hates so many things? How can You hate something You created urself. Trangenders didn't make themselves, and u said Trannies didn't even exist long. HOWEVER they existed LONG ENOUGH to be put in the BIBLE... JUST WOW... Hypocrisy for the win.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
exuse me for all the typos, for I had to pee. The point is.. Just cause I don't follow Religion, doesn't meant that I don't believe in God, and the very God that is put in the Bible, I think is very Fairy tale ish, just like Santa Clause. If God is the only thing that creates, and creates things to love him, how is he going to hate something he created such as Transexuals. No one "Wants" to feel like a Girl but have an XY body, I don't wanna have AIS.. But I do. SO I should be condemned?
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
God can have unconditional, but at same time can dislike something as well. Bible teaches this all over. Tell me how parents can hate their children all the time? There no existance of transexual in the bible, so no win for you, where did that even come from. Once against, HE did not create transexuals. Transexuals is not NATURAL, but a choice. You don't get condemned for feeling different. I assure you there are people who want to feel different from their body, that's called choice once again.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
Then u should read ur bible again cause I can clearly read where it says "A man shouldn't wear a garment of women, and the vice versa" meaning some aspect of tran-anything must have existed. And anyways I don't see the relevence of the Bible, it only speaks in metaphors, the Bible doesn't even say God dislikes Gays. It says a man shouldn't sleep with his sisters husband or something retarded. I dodn't think gay guys do that alot.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Transsexualism is a condition in which a person identifies with a physical sex different from the one that they were born with or assigned in cases where ambiguity of the child's sex organs led to assigning them a physical sex.
A man shouldn't wear a garment of women and vice versa, means you can't be a crossdresser, BIG DIFFERENCE.
It says a man should not lay with another man.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
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technically it says: If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
For one says lie with a woman.. one men can't lie with other men the same as a woman. so its retarded, 2 whoever the hell wrote this is on if God wanted them to Die then all the gays be dead. It's clearly man written.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Thanks for the nice definition though... Only proves the realism of how transexuality is not a choice. You don't have to get surgery, If u don't want to be socially recognized as the gender you are. However That right there doesn't make u NOT transexual. You don't become transexual after a surgery, you are transexual with or without it. you don't need tits and a vagina to be as woman as other women. I think most trannies do the surgery to not be considered "gay"~which they aren't.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
The definition proves realism of choice, a person identifies? meaning they chose it. Generally people who change their sex after surgery do so because they believe they should chose so.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
Sure.. so people just change their sex cause some mystical demon came next to them and said "Hey dude change ur body" or because someone tricked them into it? Identification, AGAIN is not a choice. please, spare me.... Did I choose my name? Did I choose my body? Did I choose my hair color? NO.. Identity isn't a choice. No one chooses to be born gay, tranny, deaf, mute, blind, miscarried, bipolar, schitzo, depressed, black, ehite, puertorican, male, female, long necked, etc. etc.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
We are talking about if choice exists in transexualism. Stop comparing it to other subjects. Once again if you speak with being born, those are natural, means not choice like you said. Transexuals are NOT natural, it is NOT in your DNA. God does not make surgery, humans did. I am in body of male, but I believe I am born with a Dragon's soul. I am a Dragon. Would you believe that?
AznZiShu 3 years ago
HUMANS are GOD MADE, IF GOD MADE HUMANS HOW IS TRANSEXUALITY NOT WHAT GOD MADE IF HE MADE HUMANS TO BEGIN WITH, IF GOD MAKES EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE, HOW IS HE NOT THE MAKER OF OF EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE, again Religion = Hypocrisy.. and how do u know its not natural? ahve u ever heard of the penguins? the one that was male kept stealing an egg and had another male lover... if it occurs in nature, its natural.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Does a transgender believe they are a dragon? ur fantasy is not to be compared to what a transexual is....... and u know what u need further education cause believing you are something u are not also occurs in animals as well, please... look up on youtube about the chimp that believed he was really human, and acted humane for the most part. A psyche isn't man made, it's God made, or u should just deny the existence of God and go to another religion. As it's much fitting to ur argument.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Basically we are arguing against what is natural and what is not, which is what we've been doing since beginning. You do not have proof that transexuals is natural, originally from DNA as well. I never once declared soul is man made, where you get that from. What if I was to tell you I have spiritual connection to... God made, and it would hint to me all answers to this world, would you believe? That is something you have to find out for yourself.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
you are justificating that souls are human made, when u say someone personally chooses to be transgender, as if people personally choose to be attracted to somethings. Do I personally choose to dislike cheese, or any food for that matter, how come I would choose to starve than eat another person? I don't think I choose to like or dislike something, even tho its fact I won't know if I like it till I experience it. Another Law of Nature.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Transexuals do choose to get surgery, or not, they choose what surgery they want, but just like I didn't choose to be a heterosexual black girl born with the inability to produce eggs. I highly doubt my best friend "Chose" to be a black man with a soul that identifies with females, living a lonely life cause she feels she can't express herself socially because she was born with an XY body. I believe God made the surgery even possible, if God didn't really want something, it wouldn't be here.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
And I'm proud to say whole heartedly; I thank GOD for this surgery even existing cause now my friend can live out her life without feeling completely miserable, like some ppl. I mean both of us share the trait of not being able to bear children, it comforts me also because she always reminds me I'm not the only woman who can't bear babies at all. You can blame man made it, but they'd never make it without Gods green earth and the possiblity of it even being able to be done, both maybe God's work
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Also the Bible is written about stuff that mainly happend some were in the Middle east... what about the rest of the world? was the whole world in Isreal? Where was china russia japan hawaii? Did this not exist when the Bible created.. or could only prophets tell tales of the ones near them? Bible = made by man, for man.. That's not God's book, why would someone so powerful leave his words in a book. Reality is, cause it never did.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
If you want to speak back to reality, talk to scientists, therapists, doctors, and whomever else that are given the "right" to determine sex.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
And if you really want to, go argue with the transexuals who are "confused" by your beliefs. That's a whole other story. You can't just say, "hey all you transexuals, I say this, so you ALL now must believe it too." I am sure there are more than one type of transexual perspective that would eventually disagree with you. Other wise that would contradicts what you said about the soul and body.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
It makes no sense... if u don't identify physical sex, different than the w\one given to u, ur not trannie.. u can call urself tranni but ur not.. surgery doesn't give you the right to be transexual.. for all I know they could just be gay people in girls clothing trying to get some Bi sexual loving. The whole term transexual goes with the main concept that the psyche and physical don't match; NOTHING ELSE; it's not complicated.. actually its very bland. Transexuality is more psyche than action
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
I dun need a therapist, doctor, scientist, PH.D master psychologist tell me how trannies feel, I think just being alive is enough to understand how they feel somewhat.. Like I said I'm forced to be basically and inadequate girl, I didn't choose so,God deemed it so. SO I am.. just like this natural disorder happend to me, is the same case to trangenders and many others. Some people were born with bad immune systems, some with heart diseases. its all the same. Problems which cannot be changed.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
You could choose to be pretend to be homosexual, but would u actually feel comfortable being with the other sex? or would u feel like ur lying to urself, would u be happy if u were a girl married for 15 years and find out ur husband is inlove with a man cause he was forced to hide his Free will to obey some tradition? No I don't think ur brain could even similate the experience. You don't choose what you like.. I can't just choose myself to like cheese. That is the law of nature.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Um naturally if you stick to your current state, then you chose so, not because you are forced to. Everyone has opportunity. I can choose myself to what I like, you are now arguing against mentality which is totally based on perception only.
AznZiShu 3 years ago
really AznZiShu, then please teach me how can I miraculously choose to become pregnant. Please, I don't think I'm sticking to the choice of having child or not, I think that was out of my power to begin with. Just like many things in life, u may beluieve that blind people can wish themselves to see, but reality is, they won't, and they didn't choose to be born blind. They brain can't even accurately project the psyche until I think about a year or 2 after being born.
Ultimatenshi 3 years ago
Once again, STOP comparing yourself to transexuals. Being born with things are natural. We cannot choose that like I said. What we can choose is what we do with ourselves after our given birth. BIG difference between the words idenity, and idenitify,(an action, a choice).
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