Mark Steyn Slams Obama's Leadership Role in Libya

[methodmaine]

Once again....Pie is ALL of yours faces! Ghaddaffi is out of power, in under one year and without a single injured or killed US soldier!

Obama- Osama Bin Laden, Gaddaffi = Less than one year.

Bush- Sadaam and tens of thousands of US soliders= 8 years and still counting...

[hookalakah]

"It’s not enough to understand how everybody in the room thinks. You have to decide which ones in the room are right, and stand with them. A leader is not a mediator or an umpire or a convener or a facilitator.

Sometimes, as Chris Christie put it, “the president has got to show up."

With each equivocation, the man in the Oval Office shields his identity and cloaks who the real Barack Obama is." --Maureen Dowd, New York Times, June 26, 2011

[zegatone]

@rleary1

take care......

[zegatone]

@rleary1

i agree that failure starts at home; my large family was raised by my, the oldest and my mother after father had a heart attack, we did very well,

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so, if women have "illegitimate" children, what do you do with those children?

if cons are concern about those children, they they should put more money into reducing births; at least be prochoice, like you

[zegatone]

@rleary1

dna is not always present, and the constitution that protects your rights, also protects the convicted;

as it is now, we spend more money keeping a person in death row, than one person in jail for life

we spend more money in jails than in education, we spend way much more money on warfare than caring for our children.

i am into child development, and studies have shown that helping the poor, including those in foster homes, get a degree pays great dividends, saves taxes as well

[zegatone]

@rleary1

lets figure your position; but before let me get you familiar with reality

over 70% of children have being raised by a single parent one time or another, and close to 30% are raised by single parents from birth to adulthood;

so, these children should not go to public schools, have medical services, including emergency, if the house of a single parent is burning, firemen should not help..same with police..how about driving on public roads?

see what i mean

have a nice day

[zegatone]

@rleary1

"do not want my tax to help single mothers"

so you want to punish their children because the women acted against your conservative values?

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conservatives are blinded by their creed; they want to save embryos but once they are born, children are no longer worth investing money on; creating more social problems

educating our children, is cheaper than having drop-outs, crimes, uneducated people etc etc, more of your taxes will be used later if not used earlier

[zegatone]

@rleary1

you have some liberal values, but most are conservatives, .......if you are old, you know that conservatives used to rule the conservative creed, but after the civil right, the conservatives run to the republican side to hide their sins.

lets take one item at the time;

pro-gun; so am i, an i own guns, but being proguns does not mean you must have a gun

pro-choice, it does not mean they are for abortion; my sisters are pro-choice, but never aborted,

cont

[zegatone]

@rleary1

no conservative i purely conservative, the same applies for liberals or any other ideology;

the worst people are the socially conservative, those who fought to keep slavery legal, started segregation, voted against civil rights, had women as property of men, want to deny gays equal right, want to regulate woman's reproduction organs, want to negate the born the rights they say embryos have; go all over the world pushing their creed.......cont

[crazyknight2008]

prince william may be assasinated on april 29th, muslims and flase flag agents are already mobilizing.

[zegatone]

@crazyknight2008

are you attending William funeral?...hehehehe

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@Grappler1911

"freedom to kill the babies"

embryos are no babies, neither are sperms and eggs half of babies;

and even if they were, people have the right to evict any entity, human or not, alive or dead, baby or elderly, from their private property.

conservatives are fascists, they want to tell women what to do with their vagina, gays what to do with their penises, blacks who to marry, or not marry, etc etc

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@Grappler1911

the democratic party was formed by religious people, and they were all conservatives one way or another; but very soon, before the 1830's, the conservatives from the south renegaded to the promise of liberating blacks and were against modernization, wanted little government and the right to make their own laws over the federal laws; but the progressive, and social liberals regarding slavery, left the full blown conservatives and formed the republican party

[Grappler1911]

@zegatone You're so full of shit.Democrats are the slave masters now.You support them now.Limited government,natural rights are the only path to freedom.You support the NWO by supporting the left.You are a slave.

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@Grappler1911

the conservatives were embedded in the democratic party, we are speaking of ideology, not party affiliation

please read the definitions; the democratic party, or any other party, is basically a house, not an ideology,....the ideology, conservatism is what we are speaking about, and the south has always being conservative, then as democrats, now as republicans....

[zegatone]

@Grappler1911

KKK were and are conservatives

people who fought o keep slavery legal were conservatives

people who voted against women being able to vote and hold office and being independent were conservatives

people who voted against letting blacks marrying whites, gays getting married, women CHOOSING  were and are conservatives

[zegatone]

@Grappler1911

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both parties, starting after the revolution, had left, moderate and right wings, but after the civil rights votes, in 1964, the conservative democrats abandoned the democratic party and moved to the republican side, the liberal republicans, the ones that voted for civil rights, left the conservative turning republican party.

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you are confused,..tell me when in history, has the bible belt have ever being liberal....... NEVER

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@Grappler1911

"limited government" that was one of the reason the south went to war, slavery was the mayor cause, the conservatives south wanted the government out of their laws. when they lost the war, they started segregation........they want small government so they can make laws to force their morals on others'

gays rights, women liberation etc etc etc

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if you want small government, why do you want government to take gays rights away, women's rights away etc etc

next question?

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@Grappler1911

"you are completely ignorant"

yes the republican party was started to counter act the CONSERVATIVES from the south, we are speaking of conservatives, regardless of party affiliation, never in history has the south being liberal,; the south is called the deep south, for its conservative grip,; it is called the bible belt; for its extreme religious views, in fact, the far right is the american taliban= TOTAL CONTROL

[zegatone]

@Grappler1911

tyrany of the left"

you never read history?

the dictators, fascists, tyrannous people have use far right means to obtain their objectives.....read where right to life, liberty etc etc came from........:liberalism....jej­ejeje

[Grappler1911]

@zegatone Dictatorship,fascism,Marxism,P­rogressives,liberals,Islam are all left.They are for total control.At the far right is complete anarchy.A little left of Anarchy is Democracy which is mob rule or two wolves and a sheep voting what's for dinner.In the middle is a Republic.That is rule by law that protects against the tyranny of the majority.That is what America is a Republic.The Tea Party believes in protecting the Republic.We are the true middle.The far left and far right are extremists.

[zegatone]

@Grappler1911

jajajaja

while socialism and marxism has extreme left values, it uses extreme right tactics to impose them

stalin, Lenin, and mao were against liberalism, in fact, they wrote books in how to defeat liberals.

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Muslims are consrvatives,,,,,,you did not know that?

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@Grappler1911

when the conservatives ruled the land, especially the religious, the bible belt, the conservative south, the racists protestants enslaved blacks and women,....the rich white male establishment oppressed the rests

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thanks to liberal minds, blacks and women were liberated

[Grappler1911]

@zegatone Liberals are not liberal thinking.That confuses people all over the world and is intentional.First they called themselves Marxists,then they changed it to Progressives to fool people into believing they were forward thinking and not really Communist totalitarians.Then they were found out and changed to liberal then same thing happened.America rejected Marxist dogma and the left took over the teacher's unions and started brainwashing guys like you.Marx is slavery and evil.Don't be evil.

[zegatone]

@Grappler1911

"they called themselves marxists"

hahahahahahaha

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stalin, lanin, MAO wrote books about how to defeat liberalism; socialist and Marxist states are totalitarian states , they force their rules, they take rights away, and use right wing tactics to do so,

and as God does, a dictator itself:

severe punishment for not obeying absurd laws;.

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liberals have nothing to do with Marxism or Socialism; we believe every person has the right to religion, to education, to wealth

[thomaserossi]

@zegatone - You're indoctrinated WAY beyond stupid.  You're utterly beyond stupid. You're brain is much. You're so fucked in the head it's impossible for you to think. You're so fucked in the head it's impossible for you to understand that Protestants were the 1st people in the world to create a 100% slave free state. You're too stupid and indoctrinated to understand this. It's impossible for you to understand that women were voting in America BEFORE the Left had their revolution in France.

[Grappler1911]

@zegatone w.boemre.gov/ooc/press/2011/pr­ess0317 .htm

NEW ORLEANS – The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement (BOEMRE) today provided the final approval necessary for Petrobras America, Inc. to begin oil and natural gas production at its Cascade-Chinook project using a Floating Production Storage Offloading (FPSO) facility. This will be the first time this technology is used in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico. BOEMRE approved the project’s Deepwater Operating Plan

[zegatone]

@Grappler1911

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can you tell me where us companies were denied by obama to drill oil and instead allow brazil?

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you are using fallacies to make a point,,,,,,you lose debates just by using them

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are you for regulating companies?

make up your mind.

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[zegatone]

@Grappler1911 March 21, 2011 3:16 pm ET

"Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are accusing the Obama administration of subverting American interests by allowing a Brazilian company to drill in the Gulf of Mexico. But the Bush administration granted the initial permit, and Obama has granted deepwater drilling permits to American companies since the Gulf oil disaster"

and now for the rest of the story

[zegatone]

@Grappler1911

Third Company Authorized To Continue Gulf Drilling Is Also American. Bloomberg reported: ATP Oil & Gas Corp. won a U.S. permit to drill in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico, the third company cleared to resume work halted last year after BP Plc (BP/)'s oil spill. The company surged in New York trading."

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@Grappler1911

now tell me, since you do not want foreign companies drilling in our land, we should not get involved in other countries either, right?

we should call all our companies to stop drilling in other places not belonging to the USA, and have the nations that have oil, drill it, sell it or whatever,,,,for it is theirs and we do not believe in government regulating any thing , especially not in our territory right?

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[zegatone]

@Grappler1911 (Rio de Janeiro, December 11, 2006). - PETRÓLEO BRASILEIRO S/A - PETROBRAS, [Bovespa: PETR3/PETR4, NYSE: PBR/PBRA, Latibex: XPBR/XPBRA, BCBA: APBR/APBRA], a Brazilian international energy company, announces that, its Conceptual Plan for the subsea development of Cascade and Chinook fields has received approval from the United States Minerals Management Service (MMS).

i guess you forgot, bush and congress were conservatives

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next question

[007ObiWan]

America should not meddle in the internal affairs of other nations that are not attacking other countries. How would we like it if other countries bombed us because they did not like our internal politics?

Like Bush, BO is a puppet of the NWO banking families.

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@Grappler1911

we should not get involved, i agree, but if you impeach obama, dis you call for the same for reagan, clinton and the bushes?

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can you tell me where he trafficked guns to mexico?..and we know reagan supportes huusein and sold guns to iran at the same time, and send arms to central america; that war criminal, reagan, was involved in the murdering of over 2 000 000 people,

[Grappler1911]

@zegatone "can you tell me where he trafficked guns to Mexico?" As I stated correctly the ATF smuggling and false flag operation was named project fast and furious.Google it.Would have been quicker than calling me an ignorant liar.

Reagan defeated an Evil empire with his military spending.Carter had decimated our Military and CIA.In part we paid for his mistakes in Iraq and 911.The democrat congress did the wasting of money.You really need to learn more about how things work and what's what.

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@Grappler1911

smuggling of guns" i know about them, you have not shown where obama was responsible (remember your claim that reagan was a genius for arming people to destroy themselves?)....your same reasoning should apply here, you are using double standards, A LA CONSERVATIVE

what evil empire reagan defeated? you missed history again........the soviet union came down for over expansion, ..you never read about the Poland the labor unions and such..( was he for unions)..jajajajaja

[Grappler1911]

@zegatone Ever hear of the Star Wars theory of economic warfare? Like Cloward and Piven but not for the destruction of America, it was used against the USSR.Yes,other factors helped.

Obama is in charge of Justice dept,justice controls ATF.The buck stops with Obama.He intends to ban firearm ownership by executive order in his second term and use UN troops to enforce the ban and kill all opposition like myself and the Tea-Party.Hillary signed an illegal gun ban treaty.Libya set precedent for UN

[zegatone]

@Grappler1911

jajajajajajaajajaj

the sky is falling the sky is falling....

have a nice day

[zegatone]

@Grappler1911

Carter deciminated our military"...how?

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iraq an 911 was as response for being in the middle east; we have being messing with them for decades,....you did not know that?

never read how we supported iraq and iran in the 50, removed their elected leaders and placed our puppets

the cia in the 60 helped Hussein, ...please read some history so you are not an ignorant

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@Grappler1911

"democrats  wasted money"

conservatives or liberals?........what money?

[Grappler1911]

@zegatone Reagan was a genius.Allowing two Islamic nations to keep each other busy delayed a world Islamic caliphate and the Mahdi or 12th Imam who just happens to be the Anti-Christ.That's not my belief that's what is in the Koran and bible.Iran's leaders believe it and will launch a nuclear missile or give nuke bombs to terrorists as soon as they can believing their savior will then be able to come out of the well he's hiding in.Google the 12th Imam.Chaos. Iran like liberals love it,use it.

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@Grappler1911

"reagan was a genius"

so was Hitler

reagan armed and surported the taligan, bin laden, israel, south arabia, central america leaders and many other criminal entities at the same time; he in fact was another hitler; he is repsonsible for 911....what a genius!!!!!1.....we are paying for his crimes in blood and money.......still

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@Grappler1911

most religious groups, either the american taliban or the extreme muslims are the scum of the world, all religious cause more problems than they solve

Iran is conservative, it hungs and stones liberals, ....wrong again

[Grappler1911]

@zegatone "Iran is conservative, it hungs and stones liberals" .An American Conservative wants to conserve the Natural rights protecting all citizens even gay ones by our Republic,ruled by law the constitution.There is no better protection for homosexuals or women than the right to keep and bear arms and our American constitution.A Conservative in Iran protects the original intent of Muhammad and the Koran.

The left is in bed with Islam who would kill gays and treats women like dogs.

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@Grappler1911

the conservatives were and are against gays being openly serving in the military, conservatives see gays as immoral, conservatives do not want to equally protect gays, as the constitutions says; liberals on the other hand, see gays as full persons, see gays as deserving of the same protection as any other person.....

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conservative means that; conserve, they are against change; they want males (rich and white) to control;.....

[58tkdmike]

Hannity - getting OLD and FAT...the HATE MONGERING must be getting to him

[novice289]

Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. America's most important import (oil) is being threatened by the populist uprisings taking place throughout the Middle East . If only 20% of the supply gets negatively affected our (and the world's) economy will implode. That's why the eclectic mix of allies lept into action. The real question is how to respond elsewhere. I'm relieved that he acted strongly and yet got the long term responsibilities on to NATO's plate.

[uk6strings]

Look, I'm a small-government conservative - but I don't understand why America should be "leading" here on the Lybia issue. I don't see why France or Britain don't also have any, as Hannity put it, "moral authority" to lead on this issue - Lybia impacts Europe more than it does the United States so it makes sense - in fact, I'm happy that those two have started to picked up some military slack here!

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@uk6strings

since you are small-government conservative, you surely voted (or were against) against reagan, (he outspent all presidents before him, and increased govm by 1/3) and the bushes, for they had bigger govmt than clinton,right?

,we hv no business there; we can't force farmers to sell or not sell their products, we can't tell companies to whom they should sell and for how much,let alone nations, if we do not like the way they handle their products, like oil, lets not buy it.period

[dkkght46]

Steyn is right. What we have is a president who is only interested in having pleasant rides on Air Force One to destinations where he is entertained, playing golf, watching basketball and having fancy concerts with his celebrity friends in the White House. Oh, and winning re-election so the good times can continue.

[repubtodem]

I love how everyone was for the war of lies with Bush spending money when they didn't even want us there and our Christian nation saving lives under obama spending in ten days way less than one day in Iraq and they want our help! repubs just wanting to have a gripe against Obama this is not a Christan nation at all yet one that is half full of evil republican hate filled with the devil god wants us honest and caring yet no honesty or caring here with republicans. so when Bush its ok wierdos

[checkmate110]

@repubtodem What lies did bush tell? Did Obama get authorization from congress? Bush did. Bush got at least twice the number allies involved than Obama has AND got U.N. resolutions as well. That doesn't stop Obama from saying that Bush acted "unilaterally". THAT is a lie.