"The global warming tax scam has kicked in. There's no time left for a debate they tell us - we don't want to hear about the medieval warm period, we don't want to hear about how temperatures dropped as carbon emissions increased for four decades from the 40's to the 80's, we don't want to hear about how the troposphere shows no build up of greenhouse gases, we don't want to hear about sun activity and its direct correlation with climate change, we don't want to hear about arctic i
@mrmogdog. Very adult form of debate, got nothing left to add, hurl insults. I'm not by the way. Not that it matters. Left, right, who cares. Your talking about the colour of the drapes in a burning house. Look beyong the puppets in suits. Look up the who is likely to profit from a carbon tax - The Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral commission - and come back in 3 weeks when you are better informed. i.e. more adult.
This is a great video and it is very clear from the science. People with other opinions need to be published in peer reviewed scientific journals, propose an alternate physical theory to the fundamental laws of thermodynamics, and invalidate one the largest accumulations of empirical evidence in human history. The onus of proof is on you. Otherwise just shut up and get out of the way of the many courageous and talented people trying to do something.
C02 makes up 0.3% of the atmosphere and is natural gas that plants breathe and humans exhale. Yes people, thats means we are being taxed for breathing.
Al Gore's 'hollywood movie' states that as the C02 emissions rise, the earths' temperature rises with it. Oh no, we're doing it!!! Wrong – its actually the opposite. As earths temperature rises, so does C02 levels. So what is making the temperature rise if it isn't C02? Hang on, what's that big ball of yellow fire in the sky..?
• C02 makes up 0.3% of the atmosphere
• C02 is a natural gas that humans exhale and plants breathe (yes you are being taxed to breathe)
• Getup is funded by shadowy US Billionaire George Soros (who will be a major benefactor, along with his pal Al Gore and other banking elites, of the Carbon trading Scheme)
• Getup is funded by 5 major Unions (otherwise known as the The Australian Labor Party) The CFMEU donated 1.1 million in 2010 alone)
@damogosh we are not being conned, there is nothing wrong with billionaires supporting a good cause because, well hey this could be wrong -.- but they might agree with the cause. i know al gore does. and al gore isn't a major baking elite. and let me guess you are a shit scared little arrogant stop the boats LIBERAL bastard
In 2011 Australia started injecting carbon tax into our industry to make some of us feel good about ‘doing something’ against Climate Change. Like crack cocaine, it makes some of us feel good, like crack it it is an addictive source of income to the government, like crack it achieves absolutely nothing and like crack, you don’t feel the harm until some years down the track.
The rest of the world sensibly said NO to the hard drug of Carbon Taxing the whole economy. So Australia, enjoy…
@vbgenechten How about Cum Eating Super Genetic Lesbian Cyborgs are our Superiors Get Up You Cunts Coca Cola Chicago Bulls.
Now thats got everything owing for it gay rights, new agenda pushing and corporate evils - the kids are already brainwashed by this leftist bullshit they will love it.
@asherlang3603 I have read with degrees of disgust and non belief most of the comments on this thread and yours is truly the best.
What a load of complete agenda pushing bullshit. Although Get Up are now looking like a bunch of sour grape left elite brats that just didn't have the bottle to man up against the revolt of the mainstream working classes of this country. And we did rise up against them.
@dannyir really i thought they were claiming we were highest emitters, which i couldn't figure out as i never seen any power stations..neither is there much of that industry, digging up the land and raping all its resources, now that;s something we do best..!
@GayBoyRunning exactly my point, we're not even on the top ten, so why implement an economically damaging tax while polluters ranked higher than us have no carbon taxing scheme, US,China. Btw doesnt matter what ranking we are doesnt change the fact we emits around 1% of world greenhouses gasses.
@dannyir The point isnt that we only emit <1% of the emissions. If we can do this and run primarily on 'clean energy' it will send a message to the world that it IS possible. If we don't start, who will, and why wait for someone else to start?
The science of 5 steps. 1 tell everyone there wont be carbon tax . 2 win an election based on that lie. 3 Introduce the carbon tax & tell us its good for us.
4. Spend millions selling the lies you perpetuate. 5. Piss off after the next election with your multi million dollar hand shakes, leaving us poorer & having created a whole scam of international ETS. Bullshit
I love how the Abbot-army have rushed to this page, spewing their uneducated opinions, thinking they actually mean something.
The only defense you have against this tax is 'IT'LL WRECK THE ECONOMY' Wake up to yourselves, this is based off the bullshit propaganda the LNP feed you which is backed by no evidence.
But I guess their is some harm caused by this tax. The bosses of the big 500 companies will now have to settle for a Series 5 private jet rather than a Series 6 private jet.
@Greenfrost6 In victoria we going to have the third largest wheat havest in history. It is the government on both sides using the mass media with there lies. This is exactly what the german government did prior to and during world war 2. once people start get news form alternative media, they see how fucked up world really is. Study history becouse history does repeat. The people runing the world just get better at it.
@Greenfrost6 Seeing as you know so much about what will happen in the future, Can you please tell me the lottery numbers for this week, that'd be great, thanks.
@Greenfrost6 actually, it's because the ALP hide all real evidence & pretend it doesnt exist so they can continue brainwashing morons like you into seeing LNP as the enemy. I used to be an ALP supporter, so don't start calling me biased either. it seems so easy for Gillard suckers to call everybody uneducated when they haven't fallen for Gillard's BS. You think labeling others as uneducated makes you sound smart. I've seen 14 year olds try that. you just reminded me of them. are you 14?
@hhutcheo The carbon tax is a bunch of genius economists who have come up with an extremely efficient piece of microeconomic reform policy that will be very effective at reducing environmental harm whilst having as little negative effects on the economy as possible.. Seeing as the continued prosperity of the world economy is 100% reliant on the maintained health of our planet.. Maybe you being labelled "uneducated" is inaccurate.. you could be more accurately labelled as deeply selfish.
This is the biggest crock of shit I have ever seen. What an absolute farce. CO2 is a pure and natural gas. It is not pollution. This tax is incredibly misleading. Considering out biggest export is coal....we're going to tax that are we? And destroy our economy? Labor have no clue how to manage an economy, Swan is a moron, Kevin Rudd is just a fake, orchestrated self-righteous dickhead. 50% of money going to households with low incomes? So you can sit on your arse and be a peasant and get money.
"There is much to be said for an emissions trading scheme. It was, after all, the mechanism for emission reduction ultimately chosen by the Howard government. It enables an increasing market price to be set for carbon through capping volumes of emissions."
@ComicPenius The relationship between increased CO2 and increased likelihood of extreme weather events is tenuous at best. Even global warming alarmists criticized the Greens for trying to blame bushfires and floods on CO2.
Um, I support a carbon tax, but this is a dumb ad. It doesn't tell you how easy it is, it tells you how complicated it is. Don't try and bullshit the public, they will see through it.
Bullshit global tax, then change to a ETS. TRADING system! Market sets prices then they forward trade ..........more money out of nothing. I prefer cattle farts to carbon tax
if we took 5% from every product exported from china to australia it would probably double the money that the carbon tax would crate, create more money for australian retailers, create more jobs. Scrap the carbon tax and bring in an import tax.. I'm sick of seeing MADE IN CHINA. Thumbs up if you agree
@Jvaughn13 yeh, wow... i read about it, and your right.. Tarrifs do not seem to be the way to go.. It just seems as though there has to be a better way.
@hoad47 Lol. I'm not sure that was the point he was trying to make. (I think) he was trying to say that slapping a broad 5% tax on everything doesn't happen in a vacuum.
A central point of economic theory is that 'people are jerks, and won't do anything that doesn't benefit them'. Industry won't reduce emissions until they can make a profit from it. When they can make a profit, they choose the most efficient way. That is why a price on carbon (either fixed or traded) is the only way to go.
For those saying that climate change and global warming aren't issues, I suggest you go hang out with your derp conservative dicks who also claimed that people don't need medicare and social welfare. Wake up and smell the coffee. Global warming is an issue that we need to respond to, and the carbon price is well and truly a step in the right direction.
it`s amazing how people can just make up statements that are akin too the tooth fairy and or a politician with some integrity ....both are fictional, much like the benefits of the Australian carbon tax.
Climate change the biggest con ever, the people who came up with this whole Bullshit idea had so much money invested in the idea of coarse there going to try there hardest to stick it down your throat, just when the word Global warming wasn't working because the weather was actually cooling in some parts of the world NEW SPIN climate change you people are a joke. GO AWAY. The weather goes is cycles.
The last decade 2000-2009 was the hottest on record. When looking for evidence of global warming, there are many different indicators that we should look for. Whilst it's natural to start with air temperatures, a more thorough examination should be as inclusive as possible; snow cover, ice melt, air temperatures over land and sea, even the sea temperatures themselves. A 2010 study included 10 key indicators, and every one of them is moving in the direction expected of a warming globe.
Natural climate change in the past proves that climate is sensitive to an energy imbalance. If the planet accumulates heat, global temperatures will go up. Currently, CO2 is imposing an energy imbalance due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Past climate change actually provides evidence for our climate's sensitivity to CO2.
That means power companies will just cut power to houses around Australia to save money, the government is allways saying its for this and that. but in reality its all about making money. for example - workplace agreement "your fired, but if you sign this you can come back on minimal Australian Fair Pay" :)
GETUP,...GetLost!... Australians are awake up to your puerile left-wing homo agendas, we don't like extremist minorities, trying to tell the majority that gay marriage, euthanasia and animal rights are important issues. Now your trying to convince a sceptical and clued up public about the merits of a ridiculous carbon tax.. well good luck with that, like all your other 'politically-correct' dribble, this campaign will also fail. your pathetic 'religion' (PC) has no futer, just like you lot!
@ChaseTheDub lol butthurt bogan. I live in the city, ride my bike, and grow my own veggies, why can't you? if you wanna cry about how much your cost of living is going to be increased by the carbon tax, simple, live differently. Since the way you live now is not sustainable. If you bought a shitty fibro shack in the western suburbs and commute by car 45 minutes to work, suck shit to you for not having the intellect or foresight to live closer to where you work.
@Spacenoodle i live in the country you puerile latte-sipping leftie! ''not having the intellect or foresight to live closer to where you work''? i live and work on my farm you ignorant city fuck! if you ride yr own bike and grow yr own veggies then good luck to you! but don't assume because someone doesn't agree with this cynical tax grab (the carbon tax) that they must be a bogan from the western suburbs. try getting out of yr concrete jungle sometime, you might find some fresh air to suck on!
@Spacenoodle Hey fuckwit !! I grow my own veggies I canot ride a bike to work as I live in the country. you be screaming for help when oil is $3 $4 or $5 a litre how you ging to get food to the city. Suburba is dying.
@Spacenoodle how does that work? most of the jobs in Sydney are in the city? So you saying everyone can afford to live in the city? Thats a bit harsh my friend? How dare you judge someone that you dont even know about their lives, their situation and their affordability. Not everyone has the luxury of living close to their work. Especially when most of the housing is 45 mins away from most work places.
To all you silly deluded fantasy-land dwelling people of 'SayYesAustralia' WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! You can't save the planet with some ridiculous carbon Tax, or ETS.. you can't even help the planet with a tax on carbon or any other ''pollutant'', The earth has been cooling and warming in a constant cycle since its creation,. who the F**K do you people think you are, in believing that a dodgy political fix and some lame tax can save the planet!?? time to grow up and wake up people!!
@Beniskickass well Mr Beniskickass, since many of us out here in Youtube-land are so apparently ignorant, perhaps you could enlighten and educate us with some of your vast 30yr old wisdom??
Sounds like a money go round to me. The only jobs that will come out of it are bureaucrat jobs to run the money go round. While the real producers , the real workers will be losing their jobs. We will all be poorer paying for the non producing bureaucrats.
"There is much to be said for an emissions trading scheme. It was, after all, the mechanism for emission reduction ultimately chosen by the Howard government. It enables an increasing market price to be set for carbon through capping volumes of emissions."
"There is much to be said for an emissions trading scheme. It was, after all, the mechanism for emission reduction ultimately chosen by the Howard government. It enables an increasing market price to be set for carbon through capping volumes of emissions."
ExxonMobil Corp. gave $16 million to 43 ideological groups between 1998 and 2005 in an effort to mislead the public by creating misinformation about the science behind global warming.
Maybe...Instead of tax on the community.....Government should invest in more "green" tech. Where will they get this money? Centrelink. Kick every fucking cunt with a rattie out. PROBLEM SOLVED.
The proposed policy is not a tax on "the community". The tax will be on around 500 of the biggest polluters in Australia. All revenue from the carbon price will be used by the Government to invest in green technology, assist households with price impacts and support jobs and competitiveness.
They say that. But all they are going to do with the majority of the money will be on obsolete infrastructure. + I recently got a 500$ bill for electricity......christ. I now have 100$ left for weekly groceries. The tax is bullshit, it tax on the polluters and effectively more weight is put on the community.
You're are very naive ( No offense ). I can see those things happen but I can not see them happen effectively. Besides, cutting centrelink pay rates to dollbludgers, would save alot more then people think.
you're supposed to be about holding politicians accountable and raising political consciousness among young people. Well then get the fuck up and do it properly. You only agree with those who espouse the views of the Greens. What a joke. Get up would be more legitimate if it allowed internal debate and took on young people from both ends of the political spectrum, not just the far left
@Heggz1991 That may well be. But the point is I've heard Get Up say (what I mentioned earlier) are their goals. So that doesn't mean they can't support the carbon tax, x, y or z. But by being a mouth piece for one political party, they don't exactly exemplify the political openness that they preach. If they had Libs as well within them (and people supporting other parties), then they'd be legit with regard to their aims.
@radiantcold Where does Alan Jones come into any of this? My complaint is that to be part of GetUp, which calls for raising political consciousness, is a one party mouthpiece. This isn't a comment advocating any political opinion, it's a general complaint about GetUp's abject failure to act in ways they prescribe. They're as bad as those whom they criticise. Debate should be alive and well, GetUp believes that, but it doesn't allow that to happen within itself
@trixwiz7 I'm sure a large portion of GetUp's members DO believe in the global warming hoax. Their generation has been subjected to a truly mind-blowing amount of propaganda in the last 20+ years.
The powers that be have invested heavily in preaching Socialism in schools since it's typically been used throughout history as a way to rob the people and return them to total serfdom.
@ComicPenius "believe in the global warming hoax" right away I can tell you've never even read a single published scientific study in your life except ones websites direct you to because they 'disprove' climate change. How about you do some research and type climate change into real scientific journals like nature and science? I bet out of the thousands of studies over the past 100 years you cannot find a single one to back up your position.
@ComicPenius wow what an immature ignorant little comment. you obviously get all your 'science' from websites and journalists. come on, go to the two most prestigious peer reviewed journals and find me a single study that backs up your position. tell me how many thousands do you have to cast aside before you find one you can twist to suit your views? Sorry but science is about looking at ALL the evidence, not just googling things that you agree with.
@AussiePolitics Pot, kettle, black. A carbon tax with funds redirected to the "poor" and the UN is backdoor Global Socialism. You and I both know it. The difference is that I've studied enough history to know the dangers of collectivism.
“If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet’s not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over 1000 years." - Tim Flannery
@ComicPenius "UN is backdoor Global Socialism" you see the difference between you and I is that I am interested in the science of whether this is true, while from your comment it is obvious you only care about the political and tax ramifications. Notice I was talking about the science of climate change while you were talking about POLITICS. you obviously have no scientific understanding of this issue you just have a purely ideological view it must be false.
@AussiePolitics My point is that science itself has become highly politicized group think. Dissenters that point out flaws in the data are ostricized and the No1 source of climate data (the IPCC) has been proven to be engaging in fraud and deception to fit the UN agenda. The carbon tax itself was concocted by Ken Lay (former head of Enron) and Al Gore back in the 90's.
Even if you believe all of the claims of the IPCC, it's still not an unmanageable apocalytpic threat.
@ComicPenius what a load of crap, do you even know how far back climate research goes back? we've got experiments since 1861 demonstrating the heat trapping properties of carbon dioxide. we have over a century of scientific studies and the best you can come up with is to claim that research you do not even understand is all wrong? I can give you several examples of the IPCC being wrong in UNDERESTIMATING the speed of climate change.
@ComicPenius "Himalayan glaciers" You can tell just how far skeptics are scraping the bottom of the barrel when the best they can find is 1 error in 1 paragraph of a 3000 page report. That specific claim had no basis in the peer reviewed literature - it did not actually cite a study there. Meanwhile between 1993-2000 the actual sea level rise was 80% higher than the median prediction of the IPCC. also between 2007-9 sea ice melt was 40% higher again than what was predicted.
@ComicPenius no you can see why I am only interested in the scientific literature, it was you who instantly jumped on the IPCC and believed they were doing all the research purely because you heard a politician mention it. By the way, there are plenty of people on your side who think there is no greenhouse effect, in fact they pretty much distrust anything they do not understand.
@ComicPenius Do you know what the difference historically between an ice age and a warm period? just 5-8oC. This typically occurs over thousands of years for a variety of factors. so when we get a sustained degree of warming over less than a century its concerning, particularly when you consider all the feedbacks in the atmosphere, for example, vast amounts of methane are trapped in the Arctic permafrost. if we start releasing it then things will be really concerning.
@ComicPenius "the No1 source of climate data (the IPCC)" thank you for proving yet again you have no idea what you're talking about. the IPCC is not the No1 source of climate data, the vast bulk of the research it cites is published in scientific journals all around the world. you obviously have no clue if you think its the IPCC coordinating all the climate research. how about you come back when you have REAL evidence to back up your claims rather than incorrect ramblings.
@ComicPenius IPCC writes a report where they cite all the research that have been done on this issue that is why many people find it refer to it, in much the same way as a scientist will cite a literature review when going for an overview of the evidence. thank-you by the way for spelling out that your understanding of this issue does not extend past the sound bite on the news. I find it amusing how this is your level of understanding yet you say that the threat is not 'unmanageable'
@ComicPenius we've been able to measure since 1970 ingoing and outgoing radiation ,and we've been measuring it at the spectra CO2 absorbs energy.
"Global atmospheric downward longwave radiation over land surface under all-sky conditions from 1973 to 2008" Wang 2009. Journal of geophysical research
"Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997" Harries et al 2001 Nature.
@AussiePolitics I don't think anybody questions that CO2 causes some sort of greenhouse effect. The question is, does the tiny amount of warming justify the fear-mongering and the power grab by governments wanting more tax money? I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it's mostly Socialists that are pushing so hard for this tax.
@ComicPenius "Socialists that are pushing so hard for this tax" yep again you go on about your ideological position ignoring the science which you'll note is all I've cared to discuss. its like you are so closed minded you think that if you stop denying all the scientific evidence then suddenly you'll have to embrace communism. if you are interested in learning more, read the journals and stop getting your information from andrew bolt.
@AussiePolitics I'm assuming you've read books like "Climate: The Counter-Consensus" by Prof. Robert Carter or "Climate of Extremes" by Patrick Michaels? Both of which delve very deeply into the peer-reviewed science...
@ComicPenius I noticed how you ignored my comments and the evidence I presented yet again. If you have scientific studies that support your position then please present them. I grow tired of bouncing real science off what appears to be a brick wall. By the by, I have not read those particular books but I am familiar with the close to 200 common lies and half-truths people use. CO2 lags temperature, past climate change events, climate change, please I'm begging you give me something to refute.
@ComicPenius your quote from Flannery just betrays your ignorance, carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere for a long time so if we cut every single carbon emission of course it would take a while for the effects to cease. but your logic is that if it wont make things immediately better we should keep making things worse? he stated something that was common knowledge amongst scientists and you've just completely misunderstood.
@ComicPenius so come on, actually state some real scientific evidence when arguing your position rather than petty ideological statements. Come on, what will you hit me with? do you think the earth's cooling, or its the sun or have you got some nice quote from 'climategate'? my only condition that when you make your argument is when I smack you down hard with REAL scientific studies you admit you got your bullshit claims from websites and journalists - NOT FROM REAL SCIENTISTS.
@radiantcold I left you another comment which is more relevant. But as far as the CO2 tax goes, no matter how moral or pragmatic it is or isn't, you can't abuse due process of a democratic government to bring it about because that's even more immoral still. Sovereignty (bound by the constitution) resides in popular will. ALP were voted in on the understanding there'd be no tax, if the institute of government is to be respected, they must have a double dissolution or plebiscite. The end.
As promised, we're getting an ETS - the carbon tax is just an transitional arrangement. The fixed price stage runs from 1 July 2012 to 30 June 2015. From 1 July 2015 onwards, the price will be set by the market and the number of permits issued by the Government each year will be capped.
Putting a price on carbon is the most environmentally effective and cheapest way to cut pollution. This is a fact that is well recognised by economists from around the world, and respected institutions such as the OECD and the Productivity Commission. Currently, releasing carbon pollution is free despite the fact that it is harming our environment.
@radiantcold So long as they changed before polling, it's okay. But that has no relevance on what the ALP have done. No matter how morally tenable a policy is, if it's not done by due democratic process as our constitution demands, it shouldn't be done at all and loses any moral impetus. If Gillard's so morally right she has to go to a double-dissolution. I'm anti-death penalty, but if this State was pro, and I had the power to change that on my own, I wouldn't, only by referendum/election
Getup's so called "propaganda" is supported by Academies of Science from 19 countries, plus most scientific organizations that study climate science. 97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.
@radiantcold The global warming petition project has 31487 scientific signatures on a petition 9029 with PhD's .
They state that there is no scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing or will in the foreseeable future cause catastrophic heating of the Earths atmosphere and disruption of the Earths climate.
This get up stuff is pure political propaganda fortunately the majority Australian people are awake to it!
The 30,000 scientists and science graduates listed on the petition represent a tiny fraction (0.3%) of all science graduates. More importantly, the list only contains 39 scientists who specialise in climate science.
@radiantcold really 30000 only 0.3% who have nothing to gain from stating there conclusions, you wrote earlier that 97% agree these numbers are based on a group of 2000 and they are a selected panel that are payed to come up with this crap.
Carbon dioxide is not pollution. Man - made contribution to overall CO2 in the atmosphere is 3.5%. Australia's contribution to this is 1.5%. Australias emissions will be reduced by 5%. Isnt this sounding stupid already?
We do not deny global warming and that CO2 causes the greenhouse effect, however the claims of climate sensitivity are completely outrageous.
This stupid tax is only to keep Gillard in the lodge and help Mr. Brown (the fag) to ruin the economy for nil environmental benefit!!!
A broader definition of pollutant is a substance that causes instability or discomfort to an ecosystem. In the past 10000 years, the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has remained relatively stable. However, human CO2 emissions in that last 100 years have upset this balance. The increase in CO2 has some direct effects on the environment. Eg, as the oceans absorb CO2, which leads to acidification of marine ecosystems. However, the chief impact from rising CO2 is warmer temperatures.
The CO2 that nature emits (from the ocean and vegetation) is balanced by natural absorptions (again by the ocean and vegetation). Therefore human emissions upset the natural balance, rising CO2 to levels not seen in at least 800,000 years. In fact, human emit 26 gigatonnes of CO2 per year while CO2 in the atmosphere is rising by only 15 gigatonnes per year - much of human CO2 emissions is being absorbed by natural sinks.
I'll will tell you this for nothing, in 25 months from now, the Labor Green accord which has enacted this insidious tax will be out on their arse, and anyone who supported it in the community will be ridiculed for life.
Hopefully a royal commission will be set up to charge those with treason who put Australia's interests in danger, and those less fortunate then us at an economic disadvantage.
Gillard is there to protect the prosperity and security of our great nation, of which she has failed!
The carbon price is a fundamental economic reform that will help maintain our living standards and future competitiveness as the world moves to tackle climate change. The carbon price will change Australia’s electricity generation by encouraging investment in renewable energy like wind and solar power, and the use of cleaner fuels like natural gas. Households will be looked after with tax cuts to help meet the costs passed through by some businesses.
The compensation for low income families is like a piss drop in the ocean. these families are at the brink right now as energy suppliers implement outrageous increases further driving the cost of living ever higher. It seems building our economy has a detrimental effect on Australian families and it all about ot get a whole lot worse.
The government is quite happy spinning the mining boom, and how good it is for our economy and exploiting OUR coal, oil and gas reserves to other nations while we clean up our act. It is an act of immorallity, in that it is like quitting cigarettes and then giving them to children. Nice one!
The climate on earth has been changing for 4.5 billion years, sometimes so extreme that all life on earth has almost ceased to exist. Am I to believe that now humans inhabit the earth climate change should stop, or sillier still, "humans" (animals who think they are sexy) can actually stop it.
Natural climate change in the past proves that climate is sensitive to an energy imbalance. If the planet accumulates heat, global temperatures will go up. Currently, CO2 is imposing an energy imbalance due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Past climate change actually provides evidence for our climate's sensitivity to CO2.
The CO2 that nature emits is balanced by natural absorptions by the ocean and vegetation. Human emissions upset the natural balance and are causing the accumulation of CO2 in our atmosphere at greater levels every year. CO2 concentrations have already risen to levels not seen in at least 800,000 years.
Sea levels are measured by a variety of methods that show close agreement - sediment cores, tidal gauges, satellite measurements. What they find is sea level rise has been steadily accelerating over the past century.
@radiantcold Yes, just like the climate has been changing for millions and millions of years. Any person who believes that humans are responsible, in the majority or solely, for climate changes is a fuckin idiot.
Natural climate change in the past proves that climate is sensitive to an energy imbalance. If the planet accumulates heat, global temperatures will go up. Currently, CO2 is imposing an energy imbalance due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Past climate change actually provides evidence for our climate's sensitivity to CO2.
The human fingerprint in global warming is evident in multiple lines of empirical evidence - in satellite measurements of outgoing infrared radiation, in surface measurements of downward infrared radiation, in the cooling stratosphere and other metrics.
This is the critical decade. Decisions we make from now to 2020 will determine the severity of climate change our children and grandchildren experience. Without strong and rapid action, there is a significant risk that climate change will undermine society's prosperity, health, stability and way of life.
What a load of bollocks.This carbon tax crap is the result of JULLIAR buzzards stinking little deal with nancy brown and the watermellons.oakshot and windsor are just as guilty.this tax lunacy wont make any differance other than bankrupt australia.
The incompitance of labour ie.BER rort.peter "how can we sleep while our bats are burning" garrets fiasco and others show why this tax is comeing.krudd and gillard have gutted the till and need more money.liars and wastrels the lot of them.
Every species of animals naturally multiplies in proportion to the means of their subsistence, and no species can ever multiply beyond it. But in civilized society it is only among the inferior ranks of people that the scantiness of subsistence can set limits to the further multiplication of the human species; and it can do so in no other way than by destroying a great part of the children which their fruitful marriages produce. - Adam Smith 1776.
As with anything, it's cost vs benefit. At the end of the day you've got to wonder if its worth undermining our economy to "set the example" for the rest of the world. Even those who support this proposal admit it will have a negligible impact on global warming. And would countries (eg. USA) fall into line and follow this example? Not likely. On top of this we are talking about a government that can't do a thing right. They couldn't organise a root in a brothel! Disaster waiting to happen!
Yes, CO2 limits won't cool the planet, but they can make the difference between continued accelerating global warming to catastrophic levels vs. slowing and eventually stopping the warming at hopefully safe levels.
The carbon price is a price on pollution that will make dirty energy more expensive and clean energy more attractive. Only the big polluters – around 500 – will pay based on every tonne of pollution they emit. All the revenue raised will go to households, industry and supporting the programs for tackling climate change.
The more a company pollutes, the more they pay. Those lowering their pollution will be rewarded – through paying less of the carbon price than their competitors.
@radiantcold But if the compay produced a good with "inelastic" demand. then they will simply pass on the cost to the consumer by increasing prices.. And it is probably cheaper for them to just pay the tax than it is to lower their pollution.
Yes, because of the low starting price, it may be cheaper initially for them to just pay the tax. But in the long term, companies who choose not to act on climate change will lose out to cleaner competitors. The companies affected by the tax are mainly big companies with long term outlooks, who will want to bring forward investment in greener practices to stay competitive longer term.
You seem to be arguing about a policy you know nothing about. In the fxed price stage, that runs from 1 July 2012 to 30 June 2015, the carbon price will start at $23 per tonne and rise by 2.5 per cent a year in real terms. From 1 July 2015 onwards, the price will be set by the market and the number of permits issued by the Government each year will be capped.
@radiantcold So bascially to get the idea of a carbon tax accepted the goverment will have a "low introducary price" and then one the legistation is in will just jack up the price..
Putting a price on carbon is the most environmentally effective and cheapest way to cut pollution. This is a fact that is well recognised by economists from around the world, and respected institutions such as the OECD and the Productivity Commission. Currently, releasing carbon pollution is free despite the fact that it is harming our environment.
Infowars.com
"The global warming tax scam has kicked in. There's no time left for a debate they tell us - we don't want to hear about the medieval warm period, we don't want to hear about how temperatures dropped as carbon emissions increased for four decades from the 40's to the 80's, we don't want to hear about how the troposphere shows no build up of greenhouse gases, we don't want to hear about sun activity and its direct correlation with climate change, we don't want to hear about arctic i
damogosh 3 days ago
@mrmogdog. Very adult form of debate, got nothing left to add, hurl insults. I'm not by the way. Not that it matters. Left, right, who cares. Your talking about the colour of the drapes in a burning house. Look beyong the puppets in suits. Look up the who is likely to profit from a carbon tax - The Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral commission - and come back in 3 weeks when you are better informed. i.e. more adult.
damogosh 3 days ago
This is a great video and it is very clear from the science. People with other opinions need to be published in peer reviewed scientific journals, propose an alternate physical theory to the fundamental laws of thermodynamics, and invalidate one the largest accumulations of empirical evidence in human history. The onus of proof is on you. Otherwise just shut up and get out of the way of the many courageous and talented people trying to do something.
MaiaMaiaProject 2 weeks ago
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We are being conned people....
C02 makes up 0.3% of the atmosphere and is natural gas that plants breathe and humans exhale. Yes people, thats means we are being taxed for breathing.
damogosh 3 weeks ago
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We are being conned people....
Al Gore's 'hollywood movie' states that as the C02 emissions rise, the earths' temperature rises with it. Oh no, we're doing it!!! Wrong – its actually the opposite. As earths temperature rises, so does C02 levels. So what is making the temperature rise if it isn't C02? Hang on, what's that big ball of yellow fire in the sky..?
• C02 makes up 0.3% of the atmosphere
• C02 is a natural gas that humans exhale and plants breathe (yes you are being taxed to breathe)
damogosh 3 weeks ago
We are being conned people....
• Getup is funded by shadowy US Billionaire George Soros (who will be a major benefactor, along with his pal Al Gore and other banking elites, of the Carbon trading Scheme)
• Getup is funded by 5 major Unions (otherwise known as the The Australian Labor Party) The CFMEU donated 1.1 million in 2010 alone)
damogosh 3 weeks ago
@damogosh we are not being conned, there is nothing wrong with billionaires supporting a good cause because, well hey this could be wrong -.- but they might agree with the cause. i know al gore does. and al gore isn't a major baking elite. and let me guess you are a shit scared little arrogant stop the boats LIBERAL bastard
mrmofdog 4 days ago
In 2011 Australia started injecting carbon tax into our industry to make some of us feel good about ‘doing something’ against Climate Change. Like crack cocaine, it makes some of us feel good, like crack it it is an addictive source of income to the government, like crack it achieves absolutely nothing and like crack, you don’t feel the harm until some years down the track.
The rest of the world sensibly said NO to the hard drug of Carbon Taxing the whole economy. So Australia, enjoy…
TheAlimation 1 month ago
Instead of just GetUp! Australia it should be GET THE FUCK UP WORLD!!
vbgenechten 1 month ago
@vbgenechten How about Cum Eating Super Genetic Lesbian Cyborgs are our Superiors Get Up You Cunts Coca Cola Chicago Bulls.
Now thats got everything owing for it gay rights, new agenda pushing and corporate evils - the kids are already brainwashed by this leftist bullshit they will love it.
Hossco76 2 weeks ago
bull shit
asherlang3603 2 months ago
@asherlang3603 I have read with degrees of disgust and non belief most of the comments on this thread and yours is truly the best.
What a load of complete agenda pushing bullshit. Although Get Up are now looking like a bunch of sour grape left elite brats that just didn't have the bottle to man up against the revolt of the mainstream working classes of this country. And we did rise up against them.
Hossco76 2 weeks ago
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People READ YOUR CONSTITUTION-KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!
Gillard is an illegal PM - she has been charged with treason and as such according to the constitution IS NOT to hold any seat at all.
The C02 tax is nonsense - anyone who thinks this is a good thing IS A MORONIC FOOL.
There is NO SUCH THING as C02 driven warming.
There is NO SUCH THING as GW or the greenhouse effect.
Anyone believing this shit needs to wake up
It has been proven many times GW DOES NOT EXIST- PERIOD!
And SHE KNOWS IT ITS A SCAM :D
TheAlimation 2 months ago 2
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syborfical 3 months ago
They do realise Australia emits less than 1 percent of the world's greenhouse gasses...
dannyir 3 months ago
@dannyir really i thought they were claiming we were highest emitters, which i couldn't figure out as i never seen any power stations..neither is there much of that industry, digging up the land and raping all its resources, now that;s something we do best..!
Avatar2050 3 months ago
@dannyir we rate 16th place in carbon output.. EXPLAIN THAT
GayBoyRunning 3 months ago
@GayBoyRunning exactly my point, we're not even on the top ten, so why implement an economically damaging tax while polluters ranked higher than us have no carbon taxing scheme, US,China. Btw doesnt matter what ranking we are doesnt change the fact we emits around 1% of world greenhouses gasses.
dannyir 3 months ago
@dannyir Well Australia can be the 1st with change, to start moving forwards & not staying in the past & moving backwards like most countries.
GayBoyRunning 3 months ago
@dannyir The point isnt that we only emit <1% of the emissions. If we can do this and run primarily on 'clean energy' it will send a message to the world that it IS possible. If we don't start, who will, and why wait for someone else to start?
CYC10PZ 3 months ago
@dannyir oh therefore we should do nothing and let the rest of the world pull our weight for us... how selfish.
splendidmate 2 months ago
The science of 5 steps. 1 tell everyone there wont be carbon tax . 2 win an election based on that lie. 3 Introduce the carbon tax & tell us its good for us.
4. Spend millions selling the lies you perpetuate. 5. Piss off after the next election with your multi million dollar hand shakes, leaving us poorer & having created a whole scam of international ETS. Bullshit
unreal22000 4 months ago
As of this comment, 845 people liked, and 840 disliked, this carbon tax should never be passed.
OmnipotentPeaceMan 4 months ago
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@OmnipotentPeaceMan How does that makes sense?
makka432 4 months ago
@OmnipotentPeaceMan So we base all future national decisions based on the dumb arses who vote on YouTube do we? Good one.
rilovski 4 months ago
@rilovski So we should base all future national decisions based on the vote of dumb arse Australian public?
OmnipotentPeaceMan 4 months ago
@OmnipotentPeaceMan And you sir, are a multiple time nobel prize winner, back in your box cockhead.
getdownaustralia 4 months ago
I love how the Abbot-army have rushed to this page, spewing their uneducated opinions, thinking they actually mean something.
The only defense you have against this tax is 'IT'LL WRECK THE ECONOMY' Wake up to yourselves, this is based off the bullshit propaganda the LNP feed you which is backed by no evidence.
But I guess their is some harm caused by this tax. The bosses of the big 500 companies will now have to settle for a Series 5 private jet rather than a Series 6 private jet.
Greenfrost6 4 months ago
@Greenfrost6 In victoria we going to have the third largest wheat havest in history. It is the government on both sides using the mass media with there lies. This is exactly what the german government did prior to and during world war 2. once people start get news form alternative media, they see how fucked up world really is. Study history becouse history does repeat. The people runing the world just get better at it.
marcey666 4 months ago
@Greenfrost6 Seeing as you know so much about what will happen in the future, Can you please tell me the lottery numbers for this week, that'd be great, thanks.
getdownaustralia 4 months ago
@Greenfrost6 actually, it's because the ALP hide all real evidence & pretend it doesnt exist so they can continue brainwashing morons like you into seeing LNP as the enemy. I used to be an ALP supporter, so don't start calling me biased either. it seems so easy for Gillard suckers to call everybody uneducated when they haven't fallen for Gillard's BS. You think labeling others as uneducated makes you sound smart. I've seen 14 year olds try that. you just reminded me of them. are you 14?
hhutcheo 3 months ago
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maxvb33 3 months ago
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@hhutcheo The carbon tax is a bunch of genius economists who have come up with an extremely efficient piece of microeconomic reform policy that will be very effective at reducing environmental harm whilst having as little negative effects on the economy as possible.. Seeing as the continued prosperity of the world economy is 100% reliant on the maintained health of our planet.. Maybe you being labelled "uneducated" is inaccurate.. you could be more accurately labelled as deeply selfish.
maxvb33 3 months ago
This is the biggest crock of shit I have ever seen. What an absolute farce. CO2 is a pure and natural gas. It is not pollution. This tax is incredibly misleading. Considering out biggest export is coal....we're going to tax that are we? And destroy our economy? Labor have no clue how to manage an economy, Swan is a moron, Kevin Rudd is just a fake, orchestrated self-righteous dickhead. 50% of money going to households with low incomes? So you can sit on your arse and be a peasant and get money.
grijam02 4 months ago
Amazing, a carbon tax video with more likes than dislikes o.0
m4dn3ss999 4 months ago
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Tony Abbott on 27 July 2009
"There is much to be said for an emissions trading scheme. It was, after all, the mechanism for emission reduction ultimately chosen by the Howard government. It enables an increasing market price to be set for carbon through capping volumes of emissions."
radiantcold 4 months ago
Oh great, another fucking "independent" "reserve bank".
There has been NO increase in frequency or severity of natural disasters in recent times.
This propaganda piece does an excellent job of convincing me that the carbon tax really is back-door global socialism.
ComicPenius 5 months ago
@ComicPenius
Global warming amplifies the risk factors for extreme weather events - and that is all that Climate Science claims.
radiantcold 4 months ago
@ComicPenius The relationship between increased CO2 and increased likelihood of extreme weather events is tenuous at best. Even global warming alarmists criticized the Greens for trying to blame bushfires and floods on CO2.
ComicPenius 4 months ago
americas think their too good to get a carbon tax even though they emit 60% of the worlds co2
superslothable 5 months ago
Um, I support a carbon tax, but this is a dumb ad. It doesn't tell you how easy it is, it tells you how complicated it is. Don't try and bullshit the public, they will see through it.
We need a carbon tax, don't window dress it.
sefindeblow 5 months ago
Bullshit global tax, then change to a ETS. TRADING system! Market sets prices then they forward trade ..........more money out of nothing. I prefer cattle farts to carbon tax
unreal22000 5 months ago in playlist More videos from getupaustralia
if we took 5% from every product exported from china to australia it would probably double the money that the carbon tax would crate, create more money for australian retailers, create more jobs. Scrap the carbon tax and bring in an import tax.. I'm sick of seeing MADE IN CHINA. Thumbs up if you agree
hoad47 5 months ago
@hoad47 You are clearly unaware of the ramifications of tarrifs.
Jvaughn13 5 months ago
@Jvaughn13 yeh, wow... i read about it, and your right.. Tarrifs do not seem to be the way to go.. It just seems as though there has to be a better way.
hoad47 5 months ago
@hoad47 Lol. I'm not sure that was the point he was trying to make. (I think) he was trying to say that slapping a broad 5% tax on everything doesn't happen in a vacuum.
A central point of economic theory is that 'people are jerks, and won't do anything that doesn't benefit them'. Industry won't reduce emissions until they can make a profit from it. When they can make a profit, they choose the most efficient way. That is why a price on carbon (either fixed or traded) is the only way to go.
Trasvi1 5 months ago
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hoad47 5 months ago
For those saying that climate change and global warming aren't issues, I suggest you go hang out with your derp conservative dicks who also claimed that people don't need medicare and social welfare. Wake up and smell the coffee. Global warming is an issue that we need to respond to, and the carbon price is well and truly a step in the right direction.
musicalrt 5 months ago
it`s amazing how people can just make up statements that are akin too the tooth fairy and or a politician with some integrity ....both are fictional, much like the benefits of the Australian carbon tax.
mikldude 5 months ago
GETUP IS PURE PROPAGANDA! How much did labor pay you for this one?
hhutcheo 5 months ago
Climate change the biggest con ever, the people who came up with this whole Bullshit idea had so much money invested in the idea of coarse there going to try there hardest to stick it down your throat, just when the word Global warming wasn't working because the weather was actually cooling in some parts of the world NEW SPIN climate change you people are a joke. GO AWAY. The weather goes is cycles.
1tufhk 5 months ago
@1tufhk Nope.avi
musicalrt 5 months ago
@1tufhk Tip: The weather's cooling in some parts of the world because THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING.
Christ.
StaticMarshmellow 5 months ago
@1tufhk /watch?v=Ov0WwtPcALE
Watch this then you sheep.
1tufhk 5 months ago
@1tufhk
The last decade 2000-2009 was the hottest on record. When looking for evidence of global warming, there are many different indicators that we should look for. Whilst it's natural to start with air temperatures, a more thorough examination should be as inclusive as possible; snow cover, ice melt, air temperatures over land and sea, even the sea temperatures themselves. A 2010 study included 10 key indicators, and every one of them is moving in the direction expected of a warming globe.
radiantcold 4 months ago
@1tufhk
Natural climate change in the past proves that climate is sensitive to an energy imbalance. If the planet accumulates heat, global temperatures will go up. Currently, CO2 is imposing an energy imbalance due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Past climate change actually provides evidence for our climate's sensitivity to CO2.
radiantcold 4 months ago
That means power companies will just cut power to houses around Australia to save money, the government is allways saying its for this and that. but in reality its all about making money. for example - workplace agreement "your fired, but if you sign this you can come back on minimal Australian Fair Pay" :)
twittersixeye 5 months ago
GETUP,...GetLost!... Australians are awake up to your puerile left-wing homo agendas, we don't like extremist minorities, trying to tell the majority that gay marriage, euthanasia and animal rights are important issues. Now your trying to convince a sceptical and clued up public about the merits of a ridiculous carbon tax.. well good luck with that, like all your other 'politically-correct' dribble, this campaign will also fail. your pathetic 'religion' (PC) has no futer, just like you lot!
ChaseTheDub 5 months ago
@ChaseTheDub lol butthurt bogan. I live in the city, ride my bike, and grow my own veggies, why can't you? if you wanna cry about how much your cost of living is going to be increased by the carbon tax, simple, live differently. Since the way you live now is not sustainable. If you bought a shitty fibro shack in the western suburbs and commute by car 45 minutes to work, suck shit to you for not having the intellect or foresight to live closer to where you work.
Spacenoodle 5 months ago 12
@Spacenoodle i live in the country you puerile latte-sipping leftie! ''not having the intellect or foresight to live closer to where you work''? i live and work on my farm you ignorant city fuck! if you ride yr own bike and grow yr own veggies then good luck to you! but don't assume because someone doesn't agree with this cynical tax grab (the carbon tax) that they must be a bogan from the western suburbs. try getting out of yr concrete jungle sometime, you might find some fresh air to suck on!
ChaseTheDub 5 months ago
@ChaseTheDub good on ya mate
marcey666 4 months ago
@Spacenoodle Hey fuckwit !! I grow my own veggies I canot ride a bike to work as I live in the country. you be screaming for help when oil is $3 $4 or $5 a litre how you ging to get food to the city. Suburba is dying.
The country will be the only place worth living.
marcey666 4 months ago
@Spacenoodle how does that work? most of the jobs in Sydney are in the city? So you saying everyone can afford to live in the city? Thats a bit harsh my friend? How dare you judge someone that you dont even know about their lives, their situation and their affordability. Not everyone has the luxury of living close to their work. Especially when most of the housing is 45 mins away from most work places.
SuperRadico 1 month ago
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To all you silly deluded fantasy-land dwelling people of 'SayYesAustralia' WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! You can't save the planet with some ridiculous carbon Tax, or ETS.. you can't even help the planet with a tax on carbon or any other ''pollutant'', The earth has been cooling and warming in a constant cycle since its creation,. who the F**K do you people think you are, in believing that a dodgy political fix and some lame tax can save the planet!?? time to grow up and wake up people!!
ChaseTheDub 5 months ago
I hate how un-educated the average YouTuber is.
Beniskickass 5 months ago 18
@Beniskickass well Mr Beniskickass, since many of us out here in Youtube-land are so apparently ignorant, perhaps you could enlighten and educate us with some of your vast 30yr old wisdom??
ChaseTheDub 4 months ago
@Beniskickass yeah just trust government do want they tell you. eat that food that they just sprayed with DDT.
marcey666 4 months ago
global warming, ! we are heading into an ice age..
reducing carbon will bring it on faster./
you people dont actually have a clue do u? So glad i didnt donate.
Avatar2050 5 months ago 2
@Avatar2050
Worry about global warming impacts in the next 100 years, not an ice age in over 10,000 years.
radiantcold 4 months ago
Sounds like a money go round to me. The only jobs that will come out of it are bureaucrat jobs to run the money go round. While the real producers , the real workers will be losing their jobs. We will all be poorer paying for the non producing bureaucrats.
madmikeof74 5 months ago 2
Tony Abbott on 27 July 2009:
"There is much to be said for an emissions trading scheme. It was, after all, the mechanism for emission reduction ultimately chosen by the Howard government. It enables an increasing market price to be set for carbon through capping volumes of emissions."
radiantcold 5 months ago
@radiantcold Ahhh....trying to turn it into a Liberal vs Labor issue. Guess what? I can't stand Abbott or Gillard. Turnbull and Rudd are even worse.
ComicPenius 4 months ago
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TheAlimation 5 months ago
The polluting 500 will pay and they'll clean up their act to remain competative? Errarrr, Competative to whom?????
MarinersArmsHotel 6 months ago
Stop Labor from polluting Australia with bullshit.
MarinersArmsHotel 6 months ago
@MarinersArmsHotel
As Tony Abbott said on 27 July 2009:
"There is much to be said for an emissions trading scheme. It was, after all, the mechanism for emission reduction ultimately chosen by the Howard government. It enables an increasing market price to be set for carbon through capping volumes of emissions."
radiantcold 5 months ago
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@3XCALlBUR
ExxonMobil Corp. gave $16 million to 43 ideological groups between 1998 and 2005 in an effort to mislead the public by creating misinformation about the science behind global warming.
radiantcold 6 months ago
Maybe...Instead of tax on the community.....Government should invest in more "green" tech. Where will they get this money? Centrelink. Kick every fucking cunt with a rattie out. PROBLEM SOLVED.
macro312 6 months ago
@macro312
The proposed policy is not a tax on "the community". The tax will be on around 500 of the biggest polluters in Australia. All revenue from the carbon price will be used by the Government to invest in green technology, assist households with price impacts and support jobs and competitiveness.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold
They say that. But all they are going to do with the majority of the money will be on obsolete infrastructure. + I recently got a 500$ bill for electricity......christ. I now have 100$ left for weekly groceries. The tax is bullshit, it tax on the polluters and effectively more weight is put on the community.
macro312 6 months ago
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radiantcold 6 months ago
@macro312
All revenue from the carbon price will be used by the Government to:
- Assist households with price impacts they face by cutting taxes and increasing payments
- Support jobs and competitiveness
- Invest in green energy generation.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold
You're are very naive ( No offense ). I can see those things happen but I can not see them happen effectively. Besides, cutting centrelink pay rates to dollbludgers, would save alot more then people think.
macro312 6 months ago
@radiantcold "The proposed policy is not a tax on "the community". The tax will be on around 500 of the biggest polluters"
Who do you think employs the "community", dumbass?
ComicPenius 4 months ago
Dear GetUp,
you're supposed to be about holding politicians accountable and raising political consciousness among young people. Well then get the fuck up and do it properly. You only agree with those who espouse the views of the Greens. What a joke. Get up would be more legitimate if it allowed internal debate and took on young people from both ends of the political spectrum, not just the far left
trixwiz7 6 months ago
@trixwiz7
Well their opinions are based on science. I doesn't matter whick party their views align with, only that their views are backed up by facts.
Heggz1991 6 months ago
@Heggz1991 That may well be. But the point is I've heard Get Up say (what I mentioned earlier) are their goals. So that doesn't mean they can't support the carbon tax, x, y or z. But by being a mouth piece for one political party, they don't exactly exemplify the political openness that they preach. If they had Libs as well within them (and people supporting other parties), then they'd be legit with regard to their aims.
trixwiz7 6 months ago
@trixwiz7
I'd prefer that GetUp agrees with 97% of climate change scientists and most economists, rather than Alan Jones.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold Where does Alan Jones come into any of this? My complaint is that to be part of GetUp, which calls for raising political consciousness, is a one party mouthpiece. This isn't a comment advocating any political opinion, it's a general complaint about GetUp's abject failure to act in ways they prescribe. They're as bad as those whom they criticise. Debate should be alive and well, GetUp believes that, but it doesn't allow that to happen within itself
trixwiz7 6 months ago
@trixwiz7 I'm sure a large portion of GetUp's members DO believe in the global warming hoax. Their generation has been subjected to a truly mind-blowing amount of propaganda in the last 20+ years.
The powers that be have invested heavily in preaching Socialism in schools since it's typically been used throughout history as a way to rob the people and return them to total serfdom.
ComicPenius 4 months ago
@ComicPenius "believe in the global warming hoax" right away I can tell you've never even read a single published scientific study in your life except ones websites direct you to because they 'disprove' climate change. How about you do some research and type climate change into real scientific journals like nature and science? I bet out of the thousands of studies over the past 100 years you cannot find a single one to back up your position.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@AussiePolitics Hide the decline.
ComicPenius 4 months ago
@ComicPenius wow what an immature ignorant little comment. you obviously get all your 'science' from websites and journalists. come on, go to the two most prestigious peer reviewed journals and find me a single study that backs up your position. tell me how many thousands do you have to cast aside before you find one you can twist to suit your views? Sorry but science is about looking at ALL the evidence, not just googling things that you agree with.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@AussiePolitics Pot, kettle, black. A carbon tax with funds redirected to the "poor" and the UN is backdoor Global Socialism. You and I both know it. The difference is that I've studied enough history to know the dangers of collectivism.
“If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet’s not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over 1000 years." - Tim Flannery
As usual, Carlin sums it up. watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4
ComicPenius 4 months ago
@ComicPenius "UN is backdoor Global Socialism" you see the difference between you and I is that I am interested in the science of whether this is true, while from your comment it is obvious you only care about the political and tax ramifications. Notice I was talking about the science of climate change while you were talking about POLITICS. you obviously have no scientific understanding of this issue you just have a purely ideological view it must be false.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@AussiePolitics My point is that science itself has become highly politicized group think. Dissenters that point out flaws in the data are ostricized and the No1 source of climate data (the IPCC) has been proven to be engaging in fraud and deception to fit the UN agenda. The carbon tax itself was concocted by Ken Lay (former head of Enron) and Al Gore back in the 90's.
Even if you believe all of the claims of the IPCC, it's still not an unmanageable apocalytpic threat.
ComicPenius 4 months ago
@ComicPenius what a load of crap, do you even know how far back climate research goes back? we've got experiments since 1861 demonstrating the heat trapping properties of carbon dioxide. we have over a century of scientific studies and the best you can come up with is to claim that research you do not even understand is all wrong? I can give you several examples of the IPCC being wrong in UNDERESTIMATING the speed of climate change.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@AussiePolitics You mean like the Himalayan glaciers that were going to disappear by 2035 but have, in fact, increased in size in recent years.
ComicPenius 4 months ago
@ComicPenius "Himalayan glaciers" You can tell just how far skeptics are scraping the bottom of the barrel when the best they can find is 1 error in 1 paragraph of a 3000 page report. That specific claim had no basis in the peer reviewed literature - it did not actually cite a study there. Meanwhile between 1993-2000 the actual sea level rise was 80% higher than the median prediction of the IPCC. also between 2007-9 sea ice melt was 40% higher again than what was predicted.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@ComicPenius no you can see why I am only interested in the scientific literature, it was you who instantly jumped on the IPCC and believed they were doing all the research purely because you heard a politician mention it. By the way, there are plenty of people on your side who think there is no greenhouse effect, in fact they pretty much distrust anything they do not understand.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@ComicPenius Do you know what the difference historically between an ice age and a warm period? just 5-8oC. This typically occurs over thousands of years for a variety of factors. so when we get a sustained degree of warming over less than a century its concerning, particularly when you consider all the feedbacks in the atmosphere, for example, vast amounts of methane are trapped in the Arctic permafrost. if we start releasing it then things will be really concerning.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@ComicPenius "the No1 source of climate data (the IPCC)" thank you for proving yet again you have no idea what you're talking about. the IPCC is not the No1 source of climate data, the vast bulk of the research it cites is published in scientific journals all around the world. you obviously have no clue if you think its the IPCC coordinating all the climate research. how about you come back when you have REAL evidence to back up your claims rather than incorrect ramblings.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@AussiePolitics So why do politicians always cite the IPCC?
Point me to the most compelling journal article that you can find on the web.
ComicPenius 4 months ago
@ComicPenius IPCC writes a report where they cite all the research that have been done on this issue that is why many people find it refer to it, in much the same way as a scientist will cite a literature review when going for an overview of the evidence. thank-you by the way for spelling out that your understanding of this issue does not extend past the sound bite on the news. I find it amusing how this is your level of understanding yet you say that the threat is not 'unmanageable'
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@ComicPenius we've been able to measure since 1970 ingoing and outgoing radiation ,and we've been measuring it at the spectra CO2 absorbs energy.
"Global atmospheric downward longwave radiation over land surface under all-sky conditions from 1973 to 2008" Wang 2009. Journal of geophysical research
"Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997" Harries et al 2001 Nature.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@AussiePolitics I don't think anybody questions that CO2 causes some sort of greenhouse effect. The question is, does the tiny amount of warming justify the fear-mongering and the power grab by governments wanting more tax money? I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it's mostly Socialists that are pushing so hard for this tax.
ComicPenius 4 months ago
@ComicPenius "Socialists that are pushing so hard for this tax" yep again you go on about your ideological position ignoring the science which you'll note is all I've cared to discuss. its like you are so closed minded you think that if you stop denying all the scientific evidence then suddenly you'll have to embrace communism. if you are interested in learning more, read the journals and stop getting your information from andrew bolt.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@AussiePolitics I'm assuming you've read books like "Climate: The Counter-Consensus" by Prof. Robert Carter or "Climate of Extremes" by Patrick Michaels? Both of which delve very deeply into the peer-reviewed science...
ComicPenius 4 months ago
@ComicPenius I noticed how you ignored my comments and the evidence I presented yet again. If you have scientific studies that support your position then please present them. I grow tired of bouncing real science off what appears to be a brick wall. By the by, I have not read those particular books but I am familiar with the close to 200 common lies and half-truths people use. CO2 lags temperature, past climate change events, climate change, please I'm begging you give me something to refute.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@ComicPenius your quote from Flannery just betrays your ignorance, carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere for a long time so if we cut every single carbon emission of course it would take a while for the effects to cease. but your logic is that if it wont make things immediately better we should keep making things worse? he stated something that was common knowledge amongst scientists and you've just completely misunderstood.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@ComicPenius so come on, actually state some real scientific evidence when arguing your position rather than petty ideological statements. Come on, what will you hit me with? do you think the earth's cooling, or its the sun or have you got some nice quote from 'climategate'? my only condition that when you make your argument is when I smack you down hard with REAL scientific studies you admit you got your bullshit claims from websites and journalists - NOT FROM REAL SCIENTISTS.
AussiePolitics 4 months ago
@radiantcold I left you another comment which is more relevant. But as far as the CO2 tax goes, no matter how moral or pragmatic it is or isn't, you can't abuse due process of a democratic government to bring it about because that's even more immoral still. Sovereignty (bound by the constitution) resides in popular will. ALP were voted in on the understanding there'd be no tax, if the institute of government is to be respected, they must have a double dissolution or plebiscite. The end.
trixwiz7 6 months ago
@trixwiz7
As promised, we're getting an ETS - the carbon tax is just an transitional arrangement. The fixed price stage runs from 1 July 2012 to 30 June 2015. From 1 July 2015 onwards, the price will be set by the market and the number of permits issued by the Government each year will be capped.
radiantcold 6 months ago
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@trixwiz7
Putting a price on carbon is the most environmentally effective and cheapest way to cut pollution. This is a fact that is well recognised by economists from around the world, and respected institutions such as the OECD and the Productivity Commission. Currently, releasing carbon pollution is free despite the fact that it is harming our environment.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@trixwiz7
What about holding the Liberal party accountable for taking an ETS policy to the 2007 election and then changing their position at the 11th hour?
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold So long as they changed before polling, it's okay. But that has no relevance on what the ALP have done. No matter how morally tenable a policy is, if it's not done by due democratic process as our constitution demands, it shouldn't be done at all and loses any moral impetus. If Gillard's so morally right she has to go to a double-dissolution. I'm anti-death penalty, but if this State was pro, and I had the power to change that on my own, I wouldn't, only by referendum/election
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radiantcold 5 months ago
Get up I think Australians are awake to your propaganda !
madmikeof74 6 months ago
@madmikeof74
Getup's so called "propaganda" is supported by Academies of Science from 19 countries, plus most scientific organizations that study climate science. 97% of climate experts agree humans are causing global warming.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold The global warming petition project has 31487 scientific signatures on a petition 9029 with PhD's .
They state that there is no scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing or will in the foreseeable future cause catastrophic heating of the Earths atmosphere and disruption of the Earths climate.
This get up stuff is pure political propaganda fortunately the majority Australian people are awake to it!
madmikeof74 5 months ago
@madmikeof74 ugh
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radiantcold 5 months ago
@madmikeof74
The 30,000 scientists and science graduates listed on the petition represent a tiny fraction (0.3%) of all science graduates. More importantly, the list only contains 39 scientists who specialise in climate science.
radiantcold 5 months ago
@radiantcold really 30000 only 0.3% who have nothing to gain from stating there conclusions, you wrote earlier that 97% agree these numbers are based on a group of 2000 and they are a selected panel that are payed to come up with this crap.
madmikeof74 5 months ago
Carbon dioxide is not pollution. Man - made contribution to overall CO2 in the atmosphere is 3.5%. Australia's contribution to this is 1.5%. Australias emissions will be reduced by 5%. Isnt this sounding stupid already?
We do not deny global warming and that CO2 causes the greenhouse effect, however the claims of climate sensitivity are completely outrageous.
This stupid tax is only to keep Gillard in the lodge and help Mr. Brown (the fag) to ruin the economy for nil environmental benefit!!!
DJUNIT001 6 months ago
@DJUNIT001
A broader definition of pollutant is a substance that causes instability or discomfort to an ecosystem. In the past 10000 years, the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has remained relatively stable. However, human CO2 emissions in that last 100 years have upset this balance. The increase in CO2 has some direct effects on the environment. Eg, as the oceans absorb CO2, which leads to acidification of marine ecosystems. However, the chief impact from rising CO2 is warmer temperatures.
radiantcold 6 months ago
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@DJUNIT001
The CO2 that nature emits (from the ocean and vegetation) is balanced by natural absorptions (again by the ocean and vegetation). Therefore human emissions upset the natural balance, rising CO2 to levels not seen in at least 800,000 years. In fact, human emit 26 gigatonnes of CO2 per year while CO2 in the atmosphere is rising by only 15 gigatonnes per year - much of human CO2 emissions is being absorbed by natural sinks.
radiantcold 6 months ago
How much CO2 will be reduced if all humans died this instance?
fxnooodle 6 months ago
@fxnooodle It would actually increase for a short time.
DMAN123223 6 months ago
I'll will tell you this for nothing, in 25 months from now, the Labor Green accord which has enacted this insidious tax will be out on their arse, and anyone who supported it in the community will be ridiculed for life.
Hopefully a royal commission will be set up to charge those with treason who put Australia's interests in danger, and those less fortunate then us at an economic disadvantage.
Gillard is there to protect the prosperity and security of our great nation, of which she has failed!
opticalprism 6 months ago
lol not 1 fact for these idiots who get so much money to do ads.
FUCK GETUP
FUCK BROWN
there trying to de-industrialse a country and piss down the drain jobs, the economy and the heart of Australians..
mark my words...
london will be here soon FUCKERRRRRRRRRRRS
DJUNIT001 6 months ago
@DJUNIT001
The carbon price is a fundamental economic reform that will help maintain our living standards and future competitiveness as the world moves to tackle climate change. The carbon price will change Australia’s electricity generation by encouraging investment in renewable energy like wind and solar power, and the use of cleaner fuels like natural gas. Households will be looked after with tax cuts to help meet the costs passed through by some businesses.
radiantcold 6 months ago
The compensation for low income families is like a piss drop in the ocean. these families are at the brink right now as energy suppliers implement outrageous increases further driving the cost of living ever higher. It seems building our economy has a detrimental effect on Australian families and it all about ot get a whole lot worse.
MarinersArmsHotel 7 months ago
The government is quite happy spinning the mining boom, and how good it is for our economy and exploiting OUR coal, oil and gas reserves to other nations while we clean up our act. It is an act of immorallity, in that it is like quitting cigarettes and then giving them to children. Nice one!
MarinersArmsHotel 7 months ago
The climate on earth has been changing for 4.5 billion years, sometimes so extreme that all life on earth has almost ceased to exist. Am I to believe that now humans inhabit the earth climate change should stop, or sillier still, "humans" (animals who think they are sexy) can actually stop it.
MarinersArmsHotel 7 months ago
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@MarinersArmsHotel
Natural climate change in the past proves that climate is sensitive to an energy imbalance. If the planet accumulates heat, global temperatures will go up. Currently, CO2 is imposing an energy imbalance due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Past climate change actually provides evidence for our climate's sensitivity to CO2.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@MarinersArmsHotel
The CO2 that nature emits is balanced by natural absorptions by the ocean and vegetation. Human emissions upset the natural balance and are causing the accumulation of CO2 in our atmosphere at greater levels every year. CO2 concentrations have already risen to levels not seen in at least 800,000 years.
radiantcold 6 months ago
So, should I sell my home in case the seas rise? I dont know what to do. When will the ocean rise and swamp my home?
wcb67 7 months ago
@wcb67
Sea levels are measured by a variety of methods that show close agreement - sediment cores, tidal gauges, satellite measurements. What they find is sea level rise has been steadily accelerating over the past century.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold Yes, just like the climate has been changing for millions and millions of years. Any person who believes that humans are responsible, in the majority or solely, for climate changes is a fuckin idiot.
wcb67 6 months ago
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@wcb67
Natural climate change in the past proves that climate is sensitive to an energy imbalance. If the planet accumulates heat, global temperatures will go up. Currently, CO2 is imposing an energy imbalance due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Past climate change actually provides evidence for our climate's sensitivity to CO2.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@wcb67
The human fingerprint in global warming is evident in multiple lines of empirical evidence - in satellite measurements of outgoing infrared radiation, in surface measurements of downward infrared radiation, in the cooling stratosphere and other metrics.
radiantcold 6 months ago
This is the critical decade. Decisions we make from now to 2020 will determine the severity of climate change our children and grandchildren experience. Without strong and rapid action, there is a significant risk that climate change will undermine society's prosperity, health, stability and way of life.
radiantcold 7 months ago
What a load of bollocks.This carbon tax crap is the result of JULLIAR buzzards stinking little deal with nancy brown and the watermellons.oakshot and windsor are just as guilty.this tax lunacy wont make any differance other than bankrupt australia.
The incompitance of labour ie.BER rort.peter "how can we sleep while our bats are burning" garrets fiasco and others show why this tax is comeing.krudd and gillard have gutted the till and need more money.liars and wastrels the lot of them.
dv8wolfie 7 months ago
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DhrTressie 7 months ago
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DhrTressie 7 months ago
Every species of animals naturally multiplies in proportion to the means of their subsistence, and no species can ever multiply beyond it. But in civilized society it is only among the inferior ranks of people that the scantiness of subsistence can set limits to the further multiplication of the human species; and it can do so in no other way than by destroying a great part of the children which their fruitful marriages produce. - Adam Smith 1776.
DhrTressie 7 months ago
As with anything, it's cost vs benefit. At the end of the day you've got to wonder if its worth undermining our economy to "set the example" for the rest of the world. Even those who support this proposal admit it will have a negligible impact on global warming. And would countries (eg. USA) fall into line and follow this example? Not likely. On top of this we are talking about a government that can't do a thing right. They couldn't organise a root in a brothel! Disaster waiting to happen!
berniezarsov 7 months ago
@berniezarsov
Yes, CO2 limits won't cool the planet, but they can make the difference between continued accelerating global warming to catastrophic levels vs. slowing and eventually stopping the warming at hopefully safe levels.
radiantcold 7 months ago
This whole thing is another tax con. Believe this crap, believe anything.
KiaraFurbaby 7 months ago
@KiaraFurbaby
The carbon price is a price on pollution that will make dirty energy more expensive and clean energy more attractive. Only the big polluters – around 500 – will pay based on every tonne of pollution they emit. All the revenue raised will go to households, industry and supporting the programs for tackling climate change.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold "Only the big polluters – around 500 – will pay based on every tonne of pollution they emit"
But all that will happen is that the big pollutors will simply raize prices by the amount of the tax.
badpanda84 6 months ago
@badpanda84
The more a company pollutes, the more they pay. Those lowering their pollution will be rewarded – through paying less of the carbon price than their competitors.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold But if the compay produced a good with "inelastic" demand. then they will simply pass on the cost to the consumer by increasing prices.. And it is probably cheaper for them to just pay the tax than it is to lower their pollution.
badpanda84 6 months ago
@badpanda84
Yes, because of the low starting price, it may be cheaper initially for them to just pay the tax. But in the long term, companies who choose not to act on climate change will lose out to cleaner competitors. The companies affected by the tax are mainly big companies with long term outlooks, who will want to bring forward investment in greener practices to stay competitive longer term.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold "Yes, because of the low starting price, it "
Intersting -- are you saying that this tax will have to increase eventually.
badpanda84 6 months ago
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radiantcold 6 months ago
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@badpanda84
You seem to be arguing about a policy you know nothing about. In the fxed price stage, that runs from 1 July 2012 to 30 June 2015, the carbon price will start at $23 per tonne and rise by 2.5 per cent a year in real terms. From 1 July 2015 onwards, the price will be set by the market and the number of permits issued by the Government each year will be capped.
radiantcold 6 months ago
@radiantcold So bascially to get the idea of a carbon tax accepted the goverment will have a "low introducary price" and then one the legistation is in will just jack up the price..
badpanda84 6 months ago
@badpanda84
Putting a price on carbon is the most environmentally effective and cheapest way to cut pollution. This is a fact that is well recognised by economists from around the world, and respected institutions such as the OECD and the Productivity Commission. Currently, releasing carbon pollution is free despite the fact that it is harming our environment.
radiantcold 6 months ago