Obama's NAACP Speech, Pt1

[KirannaKual]

great speech!

[PakaloloSwami]

The NAACP is racist just like Shirley Sherrod the black woman in charge if the USDA who discriminated against white people and believes the "white kind" is inferior. How come Black Supremacists are allowed to work in powerful government positions, like the mayor of Detroit, but the KKK can't?? Racist double standards suck.

[000TQ000]

Fucking Barack Obama hahahaaaa, the fuck kinda name is that?!.....next president will prob be called Beeboo Abooboo

[eoriol1955]

Obama should have been an actor...Denzel has nothing in him..Notice how lists what the problems are and then blames the victims for the situation that find themselves in...Let's hang the carrot stick in front of the donkey and blame the donkey for not being able to reach it.......I wonder how many of the colored folks in the audience heard him when he said that presidents needed to be pressured to do things.....I am sure they did but chose not to...It's much easier to read the bible and hope.

[AfriSynergy]

Eoriol1955,

Yes, presidents must be "pressured to do things" but you also need to know when to apply the pressure.

[eoriol1955]

According to every Black person I have spoken to,the present is never the time to apply the pressure.I am of the firm conviction that cowards like you will never find the courage to apply pressure on Obama because of your emotional ties to him.I would like to ask 2 questions of you..Since when has the office of the president of this country become such a place of high moral and human decency worthy of Black people's trust?Also,what is more imprtant to you....;Your life or a politician's career ?

[AfriSynergy]

Eoriol1955,

Naive persons such as yourself don't seem to understand what "Waterloo" was all about. Healthcare must get off of the table then more pressure comes.

Also, most of the work Black America must do is within, not what you think Obama can or should do.

It is not a question of my life, or Obama's career. Both are linked, not one or the other.

Black people do not "trust" the office of the president, knowing it is a part of a corrupt system. They still must work within it.

[eoriol1955]

Me Being naive?Just like the pot calling the kettle black?My dear person,it is you who is being naive by thinking that we can clean the air,stop the pollution of our waters,deal with global warming,fix our bridges,stop wasting trillion of dollars in wars,stop the mass re enslavement of our people through the prison system,the killing of innocent civilians here and overseas.There is really nothing meaningful we can do about these things without the leadership of the president...Pressure.

[AfriSynergy]

Eoriol1955,

Where have "I" talked about cleaning the air, water, etc. This is clearly some of the rhetoric of the Obama Administration, all of them come with rhetoric.

If you do your research before jumping to conclusions about me, I think it would help. You will learn much about me, if you did.

You like to ask questions. I will ask you one. What has prevented Obama from closing Guantanamo?

[eoriol1955]

I never said you talked about these things..I was saying that those are things that we can't do without the leadership of governement.The same governement that Obama is in charge of .........You want to have it both ways...First, he is the president and you are proud of that and second,he is the president but he is not in charge.If we have a black president in office who is not in charge,what's the use?.....He won't close guantanamo because he never intended to in the first place...He is a liar

[AfriSynergy]

Eoriol1955,

This is why I called you "naive". Obama is only in charge of his branch of the government, not "the government".

You are incorrect about Guantanamo and once I provide the answer, please consider that you might be incorrect about other assumptions.

ANSWER: The US Senate refuses to allot the funds to close Guantanamo.

I also suggest you research some of the Executive Orders Obama has signed.

[pantherfan17]

@AfriSynergy ahh T West! It has been over 6 months since I commented on here! How has your opinion of our fearless leader changed?

[AfriSynergy]

Pantherfan17,

No, my opinion is still the same, he's young and still learning. Currently, some of the Senators are trying to do some horse trading with him. For example Graham and Schumer wants a national ID card for every American and will bargain for it. Graham indicated the Senate will support closing Guantanamo if Obama agrees not to try terrorist suspects in US courts but in military tribunals instead. Of course it's the Senate who wont put up the money to close Guantanamo.

[AfriSynergy]

Pantherfan17,

Obama is learning like other presidents, including Jimmy Carter, that the presidency is quite limited in power. It is the US Senate that holds most of the power because they can block funding of anything.

Obama has to look at his leverage with the Veto.

[pantherfan17]

@AfriSynergy Do you not find it somewhat disturbing that he cant even get full support from his own party?

[eoriol1955]

You can easily find out how Hitler did it by following Obama and Black folks....

[AfriSynergy]

Pantherfan17,

It does not surprise me that he doesn't get the support he needs from the Democratic Party in Congress. Most of them are tools of the Zionists and the Zionists do not like Obama. You may remember the video I put up on youtube where the Israelis were calling Obama "nigger" and worse, even threatening to kill him. Youtube removed it but I still have it.

[pantherfan17]

@AfriSynergy now that healthcare reform has passed, I am going to quit my job and college because Obama is going to pay for everything

[AfriSynergy]

@pantherfan17

Health care reform has passed. The next task is to turn around the manufacturing in the US.

[AfriSynergy]

Pantherfan17,

Fortunately, we have four years to prove to the voters what I have been saying which is - the Zionists are manipulating the affairs of the USA. FoxNews is one of their main tools but not the only tool. The US Senate is totally in the pocket of the Zionists.

Let's see if they get health care passed. If the Dems fail, they will be in trouble, the opposite of what most of the media is saying.

[pantherfan17]

@AfriSynergy T West, If what you say about all this Zionist movement stuff comes true, then I will be the first one to say "I was wrong" but it honestly sounds like conspiracy BS.

[AfriSynergy]

Pantherfan17,

In a country that spends much time and money trying to hide the truth, it isn't surprising many would think that what I say is a "conspiracy". I am 100% certain of what I am saying. I do not treat my reputation and good name lightly.

Remember Ehud Olmert stating that "George Bush does what I tell him to do" in November, 2008?

[pantherfan17]

@AfriSynergy Do you think Israel is evil?

[AfriSynergy]

Pantherfan17,

I am certain that some of the main political and religious leaders of the state of Israel are evil and this does transfer into a considerable portion of the population. More than evil, Israeli leadership and their Zionist agents in the US and Britain are allowed to escape with committing too many evil deeds. This encourages more of the same bad acts.

[AfriSynergy]

Eoriol1955,

Totally agree about the waste of trillions of dollars fighting self-instigated wars.

Yes, these devils enslave Blacks in the prison systems but how much of this is also the fault of those who are in the prisons? Self responsibility comes first and then we go after the criminal intent of 3 strikes and you're out; the crack possession vs the cocaine possession, etc.

[eoriol1955]

I know Blacks who have already pressed the clothes and shone the shoes they are planning to wear on election day 2012 when they will vote for Obama for a second term...I find it very dangerous for a politician who has not delivered on any of his promises as of yet,to know that the people are already planning to vote for him for a second term..Where is the incentive for him to do anything?People with power do not share it easily with the people...They need to be pressured into doing it.....

[AfriSynergy]

Eoriol1955,

Nothing wrong with that, each voter have their own reasons for voting the way they vote. Currently, we don't know who will be running in 2012.

It is incorrect to state that he not delivered on any of his promises. Do you have a list of all of those promises? It's only been slightly more than a year. Again, why isn't Guantanamo closed down? Here's a hint:

The US Senate holds the most power in the USA, not the President.

[BootsyBrootal]

this video is nothing but stupid bullshit

[keithempower]

I don't think the black family are only to blame in this corrupt system, when Mr Bell was shot more than 50 times it had nothing to do with bad parents.the system deliberatly under funds schools and miseducates the kids,it's also a problem. It's easier for them to blame the oppressed than the oppresser.

[AfriSynergy]

True, it is easier to blame the powerless than those who have the power. The US corporate elite has often dumbed down students and politicians have talked one thing while giving them cover to continue doing this.

The generation that is now moving into retirement were taught to look at children as liabilities, not assets. The end result is what we are seeing. Older generation who often cares more about a good time than those who come after them.

[pantherfan17]

tell me T west, what is your opinion of Dr. James David Manning

[AfriSynergy]

Manning is a nut case, widely promoted by elements of the GOP during the presidential campaign. He uses corrupt religious dogma that often makes no sense. He isn't worth ones time listening to.

[pantherfan17]

he must not be too much of a nut case if he has a doctorate and you don't

[AfriSynergy]

One can have a doctorate in a host of categories. Is his doctorate in the subject matter upon which he speaks? No it isn't.

You asked me my opinion of Manning and you got it. If you believe in what he says, so be it.

[eoriol1955]

Anyone can purchase a doctorate...Ig Hitler had a doctorate,would you still think of him as a great man?

[pantherfan17]

@eoriol1955 It depends on your definition of greatness. I think Hitler was grossly misguided. I do however think he had a gift for leadership and am very intrigued as to how he was able to gain total control and support of the entire German nation so quickly. I do not however agree with the mass killing of the Jews.

[AfriSynergy]

Pantherfan17,

Welcome back. Adolph gained control in Germany because of Zionist bankers who desired to use him.

[Blacquenhard]

Happy Birthday President Barack Hussein Obama!

[Hoodar]

Eh, I believe that we are all created equal and the NAACP pretty much does not need to exist anymore... So if my skin is a certain color I am entitled to grants/scholarships that other skin colors are not? I dont know about you guys but that sounds awefully racist to me.

[bujoun76]

A rather narrow view! Think about what those grants and scholarships mean to someone who's very smart but have no chance to go to university because they're stuck in the "hood" with one parent! The world isn't perfect and we all dont make millions of dollars a year. Some people have real proplems and some people really do need a little help to help themselves. If you won't or can't understand this reality then there's no helping you.

[eoriol1955]

Don't know if you are black or not but,assuming that you are Black,here is my reply...Your stomach may be full and may not need food at the moment....That does not mean that someone else who is hungry should follow your example...Count your lucky stars that you have the ability to pay your way and leave others who are less fortunate alone..You reek of selfishness and arrogance.

[Blacquenhard]

Obama has mastered the art of talking while saying nothing.

[bujoun76]

This is not exclusive to Obama. It's called POLITICIAN! And have you paid attention when he has said something of meaning? Why dont you give the guy a chance hmm!

[Blacquenhard]

Give him a chance to do what? I gave him a chance when I voted for him.

[digerpaji]

then let him do his job man...he said alot of important things in this speech

[eoriol1955]

I agree with Blacquenhard....You are a danger to our country...Look at Obama with your brain and your eyes,not with your heart,and you'll see Bush on steroids.If Bush was driving us towards disaster at 60mph,Obama has doubled the speed..It reallysickens me to hear people like you say to give him more time.More time to do what?Stop living in the promised land and look at the present.What Obama has done and is doing is what he should be judged by,not by what he is promising to do.WAKE THE HELL UP

[eoriol1955]

Bujon,

You remind me of this battered wife I once knew.Every time I attempted to call the police on her husband after she had spent almost an hour telling me about the pain he had been causing her,she asked me to stop because she believed that he would stop one day......;Low and behold,he killed her...You are so in love with Obama that even if you saw a video of him killing his whole family and he was on trial,you and others like you would swear that he was innocent...Black inferiority complex.

[bujoun76]

My friend I suspect we are on the same page except I know it! I can appreciate the difficulties of the presidency yet I remain skeptical of thier intentions and their willingness to do what their elected to do. That all. There's no need to be racist or condescending. Im not confused where I stand on politics. I may be a "lideral" but im far from a blind and dumb follower like so many on the other side.

PS. I think killers should be unconditional organ donors!

[Thizlamic]

BAPP04

That's "Thizlamic"...I like white women and pork too much to me a Muslim. LOL

But I do know bad grammar when I see it, and brother lemmie tell you!

[masterlee123]

we white people gave black people a little freedom now they want more.  black people should go to africa with the president and stay there.

[AfriSynergy]

"We white people" have given nothing. In the total sum of things, "we white people" are takers and plunderers of Black and all native peoples throughout the world. This was the nature of Anglo-Saxons, in particular, for thousands of years.

Look at what your own have done to you. Your government is broke, your corporations are selling you out and heading to Europe and elsewhere. Those who enslave shall be enslaved......

[pantherfan17]

Look at what your own kind have done to you! I am pretty sure blacks enslaved their own all the time in Africa.

[AfriSynergy]

Look at how ignorant you are. For example, you say "your own kind". Did you not know that some African ethnic groups are as different from one another as are typical blacks and whites in America?

Yes, blacks have enslaved each other over the last several thousands of years. However, you would find it impossible to find chattel slavery among them. You know what that is?

[pantherfan17]

Look how arrogant you are!

[AfriSynergy]

Yes, very certain of myself, that's "arrogance". I suggest you measure the intensity of your own words, i.e., "your kind". I'm very tolerant but well capable of pushing back with no regrets for doing so.

Last point - Chattel slavery vs that other type of slavery you was referencing.......

[gokeoluyemo]

why dont whites go to europe and give the country back to its rightful owners who are being sterilized as i type this.i wish you will at least learn your own history

[AfriSynergy]

JeJecrown, you are the product of African peoples. There is only once "race".

[seniordiscount]

Is he pandering to black people by changing his accent?

[pantherfan17]

yes

[HaloedG]

Changing his accent? What accent? Black people in America are bilingual.

[123talktome3]

On Lebron and Lil Wayne:

Has it occurred to anyone that the NAACP only wins if black people lose.

So when guys like Lil Wayne and Lebron James make it they get dumped on by the civil rights orgs to keep the money rolling in.

How come white leaders never tell their kids to stop dreaming?

[AfriSynergy]

123TalkTome

Lebron James and Lil Wayne were not being dumped on. The message is clear, not everyone can or will be a great ballplayer or rapper. Therefore, master the basics of education. The success of black youth should not be measured by what white youth accomplish or not. The objective is to be the absolute best that you can be at whatever moral career you choose.

You will have to explain: "NAACP only wins if black people lose".

[pantherfan17]

Lets examine your heritage. Tell me one good thing that has come from Africa. If anything, we probably save you by enslaving your ancestors.

[AfriSynergy]

PANTHERFAN

Who are "we"? You do not exist without the African genome. You are a genetic mutant that mutated out of black Africans.

All peoples have been enslaved at one time or another, including your ancestors.

The builders of the white privilege and wealth you enjoy came from African labor. About 30% of your oil & gas comes from Africa. Cobalt primarily comes from Africa making your cell phone possible. Shall I go on? I will teach ignorant white children such as yourself.

[pantherfan17]

Yea right, I mutated from blacks? Ha! Sorry, I don't believe that garbage. You can believe that people evolved from apes in Africa, I choose to believe the truth which is the Bible.

[AfriSynergy]

Okay, Pantherfan, let's go to the "Bible". Read 2nd Kings 5 and then tell me what color did Gehazi become when he lied for money. Also, tell me what color would his children be when born. If that isn't enough, go to Numbers 12 and tell me what color did the sister of Moses become when she spoke against Moses being married to Zipporah the Ethiopian woman? As I said, I've been around for awhile and no things that you have not begun to understand.

[HaloedG]

Talking snake?

[pantherfan17]

Oh and BTW, stop calling yourself African American...if you were not born there, you are not african. You are American. Dont pull that ancestry BS either. My family comes from Ireland and Scotland but I do not call myself and Irish or Scottish American....I'm an American.

[AfriSynergy]

BTW, you should exercise not pontificating what one calls him or herself. African first, American second.

You call yourself whatever you desire, Irish or Scottish American. Yes, your citizenship is American but your ethnical roots are not.

[pantherfan17]

AfriSynergy, its people like you that keep racism around. Stop and think for a moment. People associate with those with similar cultural and economic status. I choose to hang out with people similar to me, who grew up in a good home with good parents. I dont hang around thug, gangster, black people not because Im racist, but because I dont like ANYONE like that. Black white purple or blue.

[AfriSynergy]

PANTHERFAN

I agree, people, generally, associate with those who have things in common with them. "Thug, gangster, black people......" I assure you that you hang around thug, gangster white people. However, how you define them are different. Historically, you esteem your "founding fathers" but many of them were thugs, rapists, thieves and killers. You do the same today.

[pantherfan17]

I assure you I do not hang with thugs. You seem to really not like this country at all, you call out founding fathers "thugs, rapists, thieves, and killers" and you say African first, American second. Why do you hate America so bad, and if this country sucks so much....why don't you go back to Africa?

[AfriSynergy]

Son, you're young and have so much more to learn. However, I will explain this better and hope you understand. Africa first means it is the roots of my beginnings, something your forefathers tried to stamp out. Yes, they raped and pillaged the natives and Africans. You must acknowledge the whole truth, not just parts of it. America is not "hated", it is the wicked doings of certain individuals that are hated. Your last question is "juvenile". We invest in Africa.

[pantherfan17]

Again, its people like you that keep racism alive and well in America. Instead of moving on, you continue to dwell on the past. Thats fine, you continue to hold America and black people back by dwelling on what my forefathers did, I on the other hand will focus on now.

[AfriSynergy]

PANTHERFAN

You do not have the credentials to make such statements binding. Let's bring it current. Lookup PUBLIC LAW 91-171 and the lookup CCR5 Delta 32. What you will find is that your government created a race-specific bioweapon that targets genes relative to African peoples, yes, that includes blacks in the US. Let's focus on "now". The predators have not changed but simply become more covert in their dirty deeds.

Sure you're ready for this discussion?

[pantherfan17]

HAHA you are kidding me. Wow you are a pathetic, paranoid who thinks everyone is out to get black people. You sir are a disgrace to blacks.

[AfriSynergy]

PATHERFAN

As I said, you haven't been living long enough and do not have the knowledge and wisdom to speak on this subject matter.

You now run from the current, the here and now like your forefathers would run when confronted by a Constitution that did not count Blacks as fully human. What does PUBLIC LAW 91-171 say? Do you cower from the truth? It is obvious you do. If you can't handle the truth, you cannot remain in here. I'm only just getting started in educating you......

[Giff12]

The only thing remotely african american about obama is, his skin tone, he's spending money that he don't have, and the fact that his dad got some chick pregnant then abandoned them.

[AfriSynergy]

Unfortunate for you is that you do not have the authority to define who and what Obama is. The "chick" picked some good genes to connect with. Look at what she produced. The "King of Beasts" does something similar.

[motaloca]

"It's good to be among friends..." WTF? What's up with the change in accent? White folks are rsponsible for this buffon being elected to the highest office in the USA. What a POS.

[AfriSynergy]

Motalaca:

Americans are responsible for President Obama being elected and his base are the African Americans. Without them, he could not pull the high percentage of other ethnic votes. I knew this more than a year ago and stated at that time he would win by a landslide and he did.

[motaloca]

Obama did not win by a landslide. A vast majority of those who voted for him were white. His identification with the NAACP is purely based on his being half African in origin. Nothing more. It's despicable. Not once had he been raised in any lower-income housing project or gone to an inner city school. Obama is a farce, just like most politicians. They play upon any sort of remote link they may have to a voting base. Remember Edwards and his heart-felt connection with the farmers of NC?

[AfriSynergy]

As I said, landslide. Vast majority of America is white but Blacks are the heart and soul of this country. This means at least 30% of whites will follow them and more than 50% of Mexicans, and Asians. That's a majority.

Don't need to be raised in poverty to understand it.

Edwards was a fraud.

Many African Americans are of mixed ethnicity but we call them African Americans. Who made the "one drop rule"? Now you must live with it.

[orgexy]

Blacks are the heart and soul of this country? Are the majority of them working? Are they the ones who started America? No unless your parents lied to you. Black people now have too much help from the government and mostly do not go to jail because of their skin color. So why do many black people get put in jail? Because they commit crimes blacks have done nothing for America in its history, culture does not count, or make it a better place.

[AfriSynergy]

Orgexy, son, if I was to explain it all to you, I'm afraid you wouldn't understand it. The majority of African Americans do work but their highest point of work was during slavery. America's once great wealth was the result of African slave labor.

Type James Brown in google and then Michael Jackson. Then type the name of the best known white person you know of. I then want you to type in the name of some countries. The numbers don't lie, son.

[pantherfan17]

Hey man I agree with you but just give up, this "T.West" has some very serious issues because he can't see that his race is worthless and lazy and in jail.

[billsarebullyesyes]

as i stated to your buddy orgexy see

"return to glory"  part 2 if you can handle THE TRUTH. also, "decade of cointlpro"

THEN, get back at us........peace out

[LAVATORR]

"Black people don't go to jail because of their skin color"?

What magical topsy-turvy world do you come from? Is the sky purple? Do people walk on their heads and eat their own teeth?

[orgexy]

Yes Black People do not go to jail because of their skin color. Black people are only in jail if they have done something wrong and or are suspects, and that is not because of their skin color, because most of them do commit crimes, it is what they have made a culture image of themselves.

[billsarebullyesyes]

did they or did the media & the powers that be. look at "decade of cointelpro."

KNOW THAT THESE TACTICS ARE NOW BEING USED AGAINST EVERY RACE, CREED, & COLOR.......know the real enemy peace out

[digerpaji]

live where they grow up ull know

[orgexy]

But know a days they are given welfare money and they also have a better chance of getting jobs than white people. So even though they might have come from the slums, they have a better chance of getting what they need and want because of the government's over use of power.

[eoriol1955]

What kind of fantasy land are you living in?

[billsarebullyesyes]

orgexy- can't believe you parted your lips to say that. i guess the slaves were brought to america for a vacation. blacks not only contributed to america but also introduced the world to civilization. see- " return to glory" part 2. here you will hear from the mouths of what i assume are your people as this will help to validate things for you. that's if you can handle THE TRUTH

[BoEmery]

What they don't event realize is that he's actually condescending to him to change his cadence when he speaks 'differently' to them. They should be insulted.

[AfriSynergy]

There's a general saying, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do". Obama comes from both worlds and is a main reason why he was so difficult to beat in his run for the presidency. No, he's not condescending to African people in America or anywhere else. He is saying what needs to be said. You will see a new generation of African Americans and Africans who will be leaders throughout the world.

[Thizlamic]

Piece of advise BAPP04. Before telling OUR (this includes you) President how to run the country you may want to finish High School English first.

[BAPP04]

Thizlamic tell me something, it is THIZLAMIC OR ISLAMIC , WHICH ONE ?

[jx14aby]

I guess its time for the ncapp to be disbanded.

[tstern73]

Now he talks like he is black.. Obama is as fake as a strippers titties

[harrydre]

what the f*ck did u want him to talk about? it's was NAACP conference duh!

[tstern73]

It was'nt about what he talked about you idiot, it was the way he gave the speech.. Like he is all of a sudden from the hood...

[GCWTitan]

I swear you people in this country make sad with your ignorance and hate.

[insut07]

tstern73... typical repost from a racist. "its not what he/she said or done it is the way that he/she said or done it," or... "Its not that we don't like them, its the way they do things." Like going to an interview with the same or better grades experience than a white person..., to the racist it comes down to the way they said, sat, looked, or came across in the interview. Pathetic!!! At the end of the day it doesn't matter, what, who, how, whatever; racism is wrong in all its guises.

[tstern73]

For your information I am not a racist, but I do know when someone is putting on a seperate face whenever the situation deems necessary. You can keep going through life naive and closed minded and when all of your rights are gone by this socialist supporting president, maybe then we can pick up this discussion and agree. This is why America is great, everyone is entitled to their own opinion..

[insut07]

tstern73... i would like to come back on that and say you are the one who is naive..., your freedoms are already gone, it is the size of your wallet which decides how free you are in the USA..., and the rest of the world for that matter. Capitalism is Socialism with the gloves off.

[GCWTitan]

So let me get this straight, because he is attempts to speak to his audience in way in which would best get his message to them he is fake? Please kill yoself or shut the fuck up...thats right SHUT THE FUCK UP

[jx14aby]

cudos for 'strippers titties."

Nice visual.

[mightyblack1]

Why is Laura"The She Man"Ingram angry at this speech or maybe it's just straight hate on her part.

[yungbos12]

Great speech

[slenderlatina]

Incredible! There is hope.

[AfriSynergy]

As expected, it is settling in with President Obama that the corporate world he serves do not want to include African peoples in any prosperity. Therefore, he's leveling with them by telling them that we will have to chart our own destiny. We know how to do that and some required someone with the pulpit of the presidency to tell them. Let's do it!

[BAPP04]

Obama's speech to me sound like promoting Islam. He may not have realise that in islamic country they do not allow to practise other religion. specialy mideleast do not want to recognise that other religion exist in this earth. piece of advise please worry about economy stop promoting islam and you have more infulance by your white mother than your muslim father.

[AfriSynergy]

It's not true that the practice of other religions are not allowed in Islamic countries. Some countries are more strict that others. Iraq has always allowed other religions and even Iran allows Christianity. Saudis are more strict about other religions and even the Israelis are quite strict.

Obama was long overdue to speak to his "base" in the way he spoke to them here. He spends most of his time on the economy and correcting a damaged Bush/Cheney foreign policy.

[jx14aby]

"sound like promoting Islam." ???

nonsense.

[AfriSynergy]

No more wrong with Islam as Christianity or any other religion. What's wrong are individuals who take the liberty to do terrible things and then claim it is a tenet of this or that religion.

[phfrankh]

WOW! One knows truth when it is heard thanks for posting. Mr.t.West.