Free Thinkers: Your arguments against Christianity and other traditional religions are in deed valid.Far be it from me to try and sway you from your strong Atheistic beliefs. My own scriptures advise me to not waste my efforts on those whose are adamant in opposing beliefs; however, I feel compelled to submit to you, for your consideration, an alternative avenue of thought that few (if any) of you have investigated, namely "The True Gnostic Church" and the "Song of God" by Azrael Ondi-Ahman.
The existence of God is not a worthy argument. I was raised Christian. I became an Atheist when I actually read the Bible. I didn't have to spend all my energy defending it and justifying it's cruelty. I was able to read it without forcing myself to agree. There is no way of justifying, metaphorically or contextually smashing a baby against a rock(psalms 137). Arguing is a pure waste of time. I wouldn't debate those who believe the Moon is made of cheese. I am relieved to be free to think.
You'll be missed, Hitch. Your eloquence, your dedication to truth and your unwavering want of justice for humankind will NEVER be forgotten. You touched many lives, helped many unbelievers, who were fearful of reprisal, intellectual or otherwise, find their voice. To say 'thank you' would be arbitrary, to say 'you were amazing' empty. It seems only sufficient to say that you were a hero to many and heroes tend towards immortality in the minds of those whom they touched.
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men,… “ Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children
” Ezekiel 9:5-7
“Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses” 1 Samuel 15:2-3 “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” Psalms 137:9.
Christianity does NOT teach us to despise our own sexuality, only that there must be boundaries around it-and we have seen what happens when those boundaries fall. Our health is put at jeopardy, to say the least, and our dignity is diminished when we trivialize sex.
@dave4shmups "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." - Leviticus 20:13
Dear Mr. Hitchens, thank you for helping me emancipate myself from the chains of religious indoctrination. I have never felt so free in my life until people like you pointed out the logical and moral flaws of Christianity and other religions. You are one of my HEROS!!! You will be greatly missed by the intellectual community.... RIP Christopher Hitchens -December 16, 2011.
I haven't listened to his other material but I find his arguments here, smart and rational. He raises serious questions and concerns anyone of faith, myself included, has a responsibility not to shy away from. While I consider myself Christian, I whole heartedly agree that traditional religion is obsolete. Our philosophies must continue to evolve and reflect who and what we are now as a species and facilitate where we"re going.
LoL Oh, you take yourself far too seriously! "Rubbish" and "embarrassment?" Well, yeah... for many. For others, though, maybe "allegory" and "creative" are better suited. I'd like to think the universe is far more complex and grand than my earth evolved monkey brain can ever understand but that's my philosophical bias. You have yours. It's all good.
“Artists use lies to tell the truth.” ~ Alan Moore, V for Vendetta
What about a guy who promotes or at least advocates the NEED for a 'modern' or an oddly 'evolving' christianity, at the same time as quoting a rather dark graphic novelist?
The universe came into excistence for no particular reason, life happened because of the early large stars exploding, sending their elements into space, life evolved on a blue dot around a small star eventually giving rise to apes with big brains, obsessed with purpose and goals, managing to ask why-questions: why are we here? what is the purpose of it all?
An inverse correlation between religiosity and intelligence has been found by 39 studies carried out between 1927 and 2002 (Bell, Paul. "Would you believe it?" Mensa Magazine, UK Edition, Feb. 2002, pp. 12–13. Analyzing 43 studies carried out since 1927, Bell found that all but four reported such a connection, and he concluded that "the higher one's intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold 'beliefs' of any kind.")
All abrahamic religions are immoral and their holly books clearly state so. You theists can not argue about that. Slavery, rape, incest, mass murder, infanticide, torture, it's all there with the approval of 'god'. Keep pointing the finger to the (PLANED)abortion supporters but an abortion won't even come close to the cruelty of the character you people praise and have the nerve to call perfect and benevolent.
43allley interpret means don't use logic or reason. How do they know the true interpretation? Do they know the mind of god? Gtfoh! Why is it good scriptures are correct but the evil ones are taken out of context?
@MrAdwolfe1 So what you are saying is that since nobody knows the "true interpretation" (as if thats what denying religion is about)it is more logical to believe in a divine psychopath who is indifferent to human suffering?
Cwross1976 What is right and wrong might be different for every person but that is clearly not a reason to give our moral laws to a book that has not yet be proven if what it says its actually true
@WayOfTheMaster454 - "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26
@43alley I agree with wayofthemaster454.When he wrote 'hate' he really meant 'love',just as when the bible states that slavery is good it really means that slavery is bad,and when the bible calls for stoning,what is really meant is that a person ought never be stoned to death.You must learn to interpret the bible.
@43alley I'm a fellow skeptic, but it's important to use that verse in its context. Jesus wasn't commanding to literally hate the family, but rather, the believer should love Jesus so much that it's almost likened to hate on a favortism analysis.
Still wrong, but make sure you use that quote in the right context or people might assume that's an extremist statement ;) Good reply though. hahaha
@seaFoodSifu I would also strongly recommend that everybody check out the the article "The Old, New Atheism" by Jackson Lears in the May 2011 issue of the New Republic. Just a brilliant, insightful well-reasoned polemic all around
@43alley - How morally true- If a person does not value the centrality of God to all life, then they never really live and get to experience the source of all gits and blessings (including one's very own mother, father, spouse, children, etc...) everything good in this life exists only because of God the Creator
@43alley From a bible that has been translated again and again and again. Are you sure there wasn't any mistakes on writing the bible?
Besides if this was correct, don't you sometimes just get mad at your relatives or friends or get mad of "how did it come to this" whenever something goes wrong and its their fault.
@43alley@WayOfTheMaster454 - the word "hate" isn't literal, Christ is saying "if you're not willing to give up your mother and father..." If you choose to repent, as the Bible says, then it will take a major change in the way you live your life, and the willingness to give up those closest to you, while unnecessary, shows the level of dedication you hold. God wouldn't ask that you give them up, just to be dedicated...
@WayOfTheMaster454 Jesus healed some cripples, wouldn't a decent moral standard provide this sort of healthcare for everyone? Seems like an easy thing to do with such a powerful ally such as his father.
@WayOfTheMaster454 How useless, so he basically didn't mind that millions if not billions will continue to suffer? At least they have proof (btw, this news still hasn't reached many parts of the world). One expect better from an all-loving God, from any decent shepherd. And btw, who bother inventing diseases in the first place? Criminal. Who cares that magic man can do magic, help people.
@WayOfTheMaster454 Jesus? Believe or go to hell Jesus? The power to get rid of all diseases but choose only to help few? See the video "what would Jesus NOT do"
@WayOfTheMaster454, God is an incompetent moral monster. First of all, God cursed two people living in 4000BC because they were deceived by a talking snake to eat fruit from a tree that GOD HIMSELF placed in a garden. So an omniscient God, fully knowing that these people would be deceived, decided to create a tree that God himself knew would cause him to curse Adam and Eve. Secondly, God decided to undo this curse through the atonement of Jesus, but the Bible says God is unchanging.
@WayOfTheMaster454, (continued)... Since God is unchanging according to the Bible, yet he decides to continuously create new dispensations and covenants while desiring to end the curse that God himself placed on Adam and Eve's descendants, God is a paradox and a constant contradiction, making him imperfect.
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how can christianity be immoral if morality is just another figment of 'their' imagination? ah, but morality means different things to different people, doesn't it? for example, most christians think that abortion is wrong. killing children in utero doesn't even sound like fun, much less like something i'd want to do as a job. most atheists probably don't really care, none of my business, right? but evolution probably wants (?!!) the freshest genetic sample to prevail... yeah, nonsense...
@cwross1976 I think you're getting abortion and EUGENICS mixed up. And atheists don't think morality is made up (at least I don't), just that I can decide that, yea, murder is probably BAD. I don't need some 2000 year old hippie to tell me that.
Lots of confused, misleading discussion in this rant. Since most of you deny the existence of God anyway, why now attempt to malign Him with unjustly condemning pple. Isn't this exactly what one might expect from intolerance- always omit the salient facts of His justice, mercy and purity. God will certainly judge righteously; faith says pple will get what they deserve.YES, the likes of rapists, murderers,thieves, slave-traders,robbers,greedy hypocrites,etc.. will go to Hell-but pple choose HELL
@cwross1976 actually abortion is almost always the removal of an egg so small that it would fit quite nicely on the top of a pin. to liken it to murder is to call masturbation genocide. oh and evolution has no agenda. and an atheist may or may not care. and also morality is a shared view on what is right and what is wrong, yes its true we don't all agree on some parts of morality but we label people who for example think its ok to murder as psychotic and remove them from society, when possible
2nd dang right it's survival of the fittest u and me put jn an arena with a piece of meat between us and were both starving the fittest would win cause I would kill for that piece of meat I'd survive.
Blare your another dumb Christian first of all who said it's right to rape and kill. Your god let's it go on since he Is all powerful all knowing all good god he wouldn't let these things happen if this magical man in the sky actually existed.
well let's see... Christian: there is right & there is wrong Atheist: rape, murder & greed aren't *really* bad things Christian: humility is the greatest virtue Atheist: survival of the fittest Christian: I love my neighbor as myself Atheist: Love is a chemical illusion Christian: I live to fulfill the purposes of a Holy God Atheist: I live for self-fulfillment Christian: there is consequence to everything Hitchens: Illuminati pays me to monger chaos & deceive the world! smmfh...
@graemealee I agree and may I add that NOT believing in a god IS falsifiable. The way to falsify atheism is simply to produce a supernatural being. So far, this hasn't happened yet. Therefore I consider my hypothesis corroborated.
Christopher Hitchens is awesome. Also, seeing humans today makes me wonder how our species has survived itself for at least 100.000 years. And immediately I doubt we will survive the next 100.000 years.
this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
its like with your parents, you love them but you listen to them bc you dont want to be grounded or whatever, & they do it to show you the difference between right and wrong
"... be grounded or whatever." Hitchens, as well as many skeptics of religion, really try to investigate the "grounded or whatever" you throw in your statement. "Grounded" is bad enough just for the assumed sin every human on Earth carries and must rectify, but your "whatever" is used in your post as a frisbee striking a passer-by when it's more parabolic to a plasma explosion from the sun striking the Earth and basking the global life populations in eternal fire.
@mdisse1 Why would this be promised to non-believers of the Christian religion if it was moral-based? Granted some morality MAY be derived from certain ideals, but that does not grant it the illogical presumption of totalitarian domain and promise for bathing vast populations in eternal fire and suffering all because of a non-existent internal mind-control device in individuals who question the ideals, or even those who are not even in geographic range for the religion to be mind-festered.
well, thats actually a good lesson that us Christians can take from athiests, bc Christianity does teach that your suppose to do it bc its the right thing to do, not bc your afraid of going to hell, thats just suppose to push you into thinking about these things & it blossoms into something more, & plus, i think this world needs a loving but hard God, bc, bc who are we to say whats right?
@76smittenkitten No-one ever targets Islam? You're joking, right? Even the title of Hitchens' book "God is not Great" is a direct and deliberate bitch slap again Islam. Then there's Theo van Gogh's film about the awful effect Islam has on his country.
As for there never being a good excuse for targetting (anyone for their) beliefs - au contraire. It is only by questioning beliefs and assumptions that we can improve and develop!
and i dont wanna call this man ignorant, i just wanna say he missunderstands it all, he even sais hes never tried to if you wanna call it "be forced to love some invisible dictator". the way i see it, my God tells me to believe in him, & love him, bc if i didnt i would do what he commands me to do, love my fellow man, & obviously if i love them i wouldnt kill them, steal from them, commit adultery with them (if anyone has any questions about that last one just ask)
honestly i couldve easily lived my whole life as a selfish piece of shit, then i became a cathlolic, & there was alot i learned from it about being a caring person, it pushed me to try & love & take care of the poor
@mdisse1 If you needed religion to become a caring person, and stop yourself being "a selfish piece of shit", then I'm afraid that that says more about you than about the veracity of your belief system.
Atheists do good things not because they are ordered to do so, but because it's just the right thing to do. And which do you believe is the more noble motive?
That's only because Christianity has been the most opressive of all the religions. When I, an athiest living in America, am told that my child MUST be taught creationism in public school and when I'm told by a Christian that I must either accept their message or i'm going to Hell, I have the right to get pissed off. If you don't want your religion mocked, then it should stop interfering in the lives of those that want no part in it and threatening those who dont accept it.
My message to Religion.... How to unite: Love the world.... not just one way... Gods image is love remember..... The bible is only one part of the truth..... God is spirit..... and His spirit exists in all good moral principles across the world..... God gave us Jesus... but He also gave us Buddha.... Krishna..... MLK...... we are all children of God... we are God .... together...... appreciate peoples differences.... they are necessary God made it this way.... and He does no mistakes....
@endofscene- See, the problem is that it does matter. Because people are willing to ruin thier lives and the lives of other based on what? a book of fairytales. Thats like if I said I'm going to commit genocide, condone slavery, racism, tribalism, totalitarianism, animal sacrifice, and dedicating my whole life to time consuming worship because I was 100% positive that the lord of the rings was a factual occurrence. It doesn't matter that you know its bullshit because I have faith so I'm right n
More Eloquent and persuasive than Dawkin. Athesitic tour de force.
People often question why atheists have to sound so angry about things, I think Hitchens nails powerfully why Christianity is far from being 'neutral and inoffensive'. Religion has been 'arresting progress' for thousands of years, claiming ownership for innate morality and making the lives of many utterly miserable thru guilt and sacrifice.
FACT IS HOMINID SPECIES HAVE BEEN ON THIS AND OTHER PLANETS IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE HOMINID SPECIES ON THIS PLANET IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT AND GENETIC MUTATION. PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS ASKING WHY WE CAN'T FIND THIS OR THAT OR THE OTHER THING WHEN THE EVIDENCE IS EVERYWHERE. HUMANS ALSO LIVED IN PROXIMITY TO THE OCEAN AS WELL AND YOU SEE WHAT A SMALL TSUNAMI CAN DO TO JAPAN. IMAGINE ONE 100 TIMES THAT SIZE. I DOUBT YOU'D FIND MUCH IN A MILLION YEARS.
@chuck1967 Other hominid species are not in different stages of development, their brain is incapable of functioning the way ours does. There is no evidence of hominids in outer space, other apes that are starting to think like us (in fact, dolphins are far, far closer) or an ultra-powerful tsunami anywhere in history.
LOL! YES THERE WERE NOW AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN MEGA TSUNAMIS IN EARTH'S HISTORICAL PAST BECAUSE IT'S THE NATURAL CYCLE OF WHAT HAPPENS TO ISLANDS FORMED BY VOLCANOES THAT BREAK OFF AND FALL INTO THE OCEAN. THEY GREAT HUGE TSUNAMIS. THEY ARE FINDING TREES FROM PHOENIX, AZ IN SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH. HOW DO YOU THINK THOSE PETRIFIED TREES GOT THERE MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO? TSUNAMI
I think you want to be pointing out that Hominins, not Hominids have been around for millions of years. Both are true, but hominins are more closely related to humans (everything from the split forward). Also, I'm not sure that you're correct as to the proximity to the oceans. In fact, in the time of early and archaic homo sapiens, there was a huge shortage of water caused by the ice age, leading to bipedality - something that contributed to our evolution.
I ALSO THINK IT GAVE HUMANS AN ADVANTAGE THAT COULD WALK UPRIGHT FOR SURVIVAL REASONS. YOU CAN SEE FURTHER OVER THINGS AND BEING UPRIGHT MADE HUMANS LOOK LARGER THAN THEY ACTUALLY WERE IN HEIGHT. BEING BIPEDAL DEFINITELY HAS MORE ADVANTAGES BUT NOT SO MUCH IN SPEED AS IN IT'S OWN DEVELOPING AWARENESS AND INTELLIGENCE.
Twas just revealed to me that Hitch writes & edits for VANITY FAIR! My God a FASHION magazine, really Hitch? Man that's disappointing. I'm sure it pays well but what about all the royalties from your books? I'm embarrassed to admit, but that does ruin your cred. a bit. Get well soon (& get a new job, preferably out of FASHION or away from POP mags devoid of even a crumb of intellectual thought : )
so god had man write a book and men cant even agree on this book and most men dont even believe it, dumb god. without fear there would be no religion.... iam a pantheist i want a real god i dont fear the real god. i want reality
@graemealee Actually, mate, sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but there are an infinite number of possible deities, the Judeo-Christian God being just one. If there was no Moses then that has no bearing on Krishna or Thor or others. And perhaps the God of the Jews or the Muslims or the Christians does actually exist in some form, but that the Moses story just happens to be false.
@graemealee Sandal straps would most probably have disintegrated. Sheep droppings would undoubtedly have done so. As for graves, now that is something of note, unless perhaps they disposed of their dead in a way that we are unfamiliar with. Absense of evidence is by no means evidence of absense. That is extremely narrow-minded.
Whether or not Moses existed, or the wandering Jewish tribes, has little to no baring on the existence of God.
@endofscene The absence of evidence is not a justifiable reason to believe something, though. When you have evidence that something was a construct, rather than face, absence of evidence is, in a sense, evidence of absence. Also, if these tribes did exist and were nomadic, there would still have been outside records of them when they came into contact with other groups (which, in the Bible, they do). As for burial, it is likely the bones were taken with them until they found a permanent home.
@DreamerbyDeseption I didn't say absence of evidence was a justifiable reason to believe something. I just said that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You can only deal with evidence you have, and that will usually be pretty limited. Unless you have all the evidence, all the facts, then you are not in a position to be making any certain claims.
As for records of contact, perhaps there were records that have perished. Perhaps there are records that have never been found.
@endofscene I can understand what you're saying, but there is a difference between possibility and plausibility. Yes absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but that lack of evidence allows you to make a claim that, according to all known information, X does not exist/did not happen. And, trust me, even if our evidence is limited, there is usually at least something by which we can say 'this is a possibility'.
@DreamerbyDeseption Possibility and plausibility are defined by the paradigm of your perspective. I personally don't think we as a species know much about the world or the universe. I don't know whether the Moses story in the Bible actually happened or not. It's certainly possible it didn't. It's also possible that it did, but not in the way the Bible records. It's possible that it's a fable or a parable. Personally it doesn't matter to me either way.
Hitchens is the ultimate proof of god. A brilliant mind like that could not have sprouted without a guidance of a supreme being and I am but a humble infidel.
@taicleis Dude, enjoy the Video. Back in the day, I used to fawn all over William F Buckley...I wanted to be just like Him: sit cross legged in a chair; wear loafers with tassels and pontificate...He was my idol, I worshipped Him. I believe He is pushing up daisies now. Who ever Mr. Hitchens is debating is the flip side of the coin...the opposite end of the stick...another "gas bag" in my opinion. And no, I'm not going to watch that Video to verify. Enjoy The Video.
I certify that I have watched this Video, all 5:01 of it. Thats what you call profound- oh well. What is so unique, original about this? Does this Man have a Drinking problem? Just some old Turd that sprouted legs and a mouth- bars are full of them.
@39651able What the hell are you talking about? I'm not here for your entertainment. I came here to watch a brilliant video, and I did just that. Then I told a pompous ass that he was a pompous ass for posting a worthless and deriding comment on that video (without even watching it).
@39651able What about my 'no competition'? Ohhhh, did you mean "you're"? Because you used 'your', which indicates possession. Oh yes, you must be very well-read. I'm so glad YouTube magically prevents you from expressing your deeply intelligent arguments. I'm sure they would be very well-thought-out and convincing.
@39651able Least you have some balls. Sometimes post a comment, owner of Video deletes comment and comes back and takes His best shot. I'm just expressing myself; taking a break from my Sanskrit Studies. You had assumed I live in my Mothers basement and have nothing better to do than this? I am essentially irrelevant and not concerned about "convincing" anyone. My influence is: zip, nada, nothing- so is "yours" (looking at dictionary, if not right defer to your greatness). Show Original Comment.
@39651able "first ten seconds is enough"? No wonder you're unable to even posit any real disagreement with the video; you didn't even watch it. That makes your comment worth about as much as spam in all its irrelevance.
Any god you define well enough for the concept to have meaning can be falsified. Any god you don't describe well enough to have meaning already doesn't exist.
Oh, well done there. Watch a video that tears down your twisted and immoral bronze-age dogma, then play it off like "oh, what a gas bag. I hate this man. That makes him wrong." So intelligent. So remarkably relevant!
Consider that your comment is a thousand times worse in every regard by which you criticize this video.
@taicleis What's this Video about anyway? First 10 seconds of it is enough for me. Rubbish pure Rubbish. "tears down your twisted and immoral bronze-age dogma" you assume a lot. Makes Him right for you- that's your world. Excuse me while I go shed a tear.
@graemealee which god. Abraham worshipped el elohim, moses' god was yahweh, the later prophets mention adonai (god of the wars). Israel want monotheistic untill babylon, and they only picked one so they could one up the gods of babylon. This works as added evidence of the full of shit nature of the bible. Oh and I do agree with you.
Human Empathy, a biologically mandated experiential, prredates all know religions by oooooooo a few million years. Empathy emerges from within the naturalhuman being, the natural child. This is Sceintifically proven. As well as understood by all of good heart. And is feared most of all, above all else, my Power of any kind.
I don't care what he believes, I can't stand gas bags like this...can't burn in Hell quick enough. I think I will stick with Sanskrit, Greek and Shadow Puppets. "Disgusted by our own sexuality"? Thats how I find you. I'll just move onto some other Videos...Thank you very much.
@Tarn1968 Simpering apologist? What exactly do you think you accomplish with such bile?
No, I don't agree with about the delusional nature of "all religions". Many believers are simply incorrect, or lack necessary data, through no fault of their own. Nor are all religions dangerous. Not very many suicide bombing Quakers or Amish around here.
I do agree that religion should be challenged and argued against. As should those who substitute fundamentalist nonsense for intellectual rigor.
@Tarn1968 That's right. Respond to criticism by digging in your heels and repeating yourself. You're not exactly the same as the people you hate at all. No uncompromising hate-filled rhetoric from you. Nope.
There are some really arrogant fundamentalist thinkers in this country. They undermine meaningful discourse with their non-sense and hate. If you'd like to talk to one about changing their ways, try the closest mirror.
@Tarn1968 What needs to be opposed is poor thinking. Lazy, self righteous, us/them bullshit. It doesn't matter if you've accidentally hit upon a correct notion. If your reasoning isn't sound, someone should point it out. I certainly agree with you about the supernatural, but your assertions about "religious people" are simply bunkum.
@Tarn1968 Now you turn to making unfounded assumptions about me. Ad-hominins & straw-men. False analogies. You may as well be Kirk Cameron or Ben Stein. You are really going in the wrong direction.
Here's a little reality check for you. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any gods. I hold all religions to be incorrect attempts to explain reality.
What I don't do is make assumptions about entire groups of people. You should really consider that you may be little more than a hypocrite.
@Tarn1968 You persist in pretending that the most foolish religious people in the world, speak for all of them. Hitchens' contribution to the pool of human intellect, is an aggressive demand of intellectual honesty. You are not living up to the very thing you respect.
"Religious people" cannot be lumped together in a single group. Their beliefs and perspectives are myriad. Their intellectual acumen is highly varied. Your statements are as aggressively ignorant as the worst creatards.
@Tarn1968 With all do respect, your comment is not supported by reality.
Many religious people are highly educated and well informed. There are quite a number of interesting and intellectually satisfying religious people here on you-tube. I have found debating with them, and watching their debates with others; to be, both stimulating and enriching.
You lower yourself to the level of the least intellectually sound among us, when you paint all adherents to a given viewpoint with one brush.
Until Atheism produces a logical, rational explanation for the existence of all that is, we will have religon... and Atheists will be the the minority. So if you think religion is holding back humanity's progress... you have your assignment. Go for it!
@BigPiePublishing ugh, you can't come up with a rational explanation of the existence of all that is by simply rejecting the claim that a God exists. Atheism isn't an ideology or a teaching or school of thought. It is simply the rejection of religious claims, that is its very definition. Is 'not reading' a hobby? Or 'not playing tennis' a sport? Ofcourse they aren't!
It is the job of science to find a rational explanation of the 'existence of all that is,' not atheism.
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 So if you want to overlook the ovbious so you can live as you please and never have to explain why you believe what you believe (or don't believe what you don't believe) become an atheist. Am I wrong to conclude this? If so, tell me how.
@BigPiePublishing Atheism produces nothing. Atheism is not an organization. Atheism is not a system of thought. Atheism is simply the rejection of the claims of theism.
Some Atheists have good reasons. Some have stupid reasons. Some adhere to scientific explanations of the world. Some don't know any more than your garden variety creatard.
Religion could easily die away without an alternative explanation. It would simply require the development of a social taboo against rectal speech.
@BigPiePublishing To be realistic. I could never fit a robust presentation of my philosophical stance in youtube comments.
I can try to answer as best I can in this format however.
The existence of a God or gods is a claim that a human being is making to me. I have never witnessed a vision- thus humans are the source of all my knowledge of the supernatural. (1 of 2)
@t3tsuyaguy1 But to deny the possibilty of a supreme being is very illogical. The universe is filled with such complexity and precision that the concept of a creator/designer is the most logical conclusion. Do you honestly believe logic supports any other conclusion. If so, please tell me how. I know YouTube comments are limiting but if you could briefly explain I'd be most grateful.
@BigPiePublishing Logic is a fickle friend. The conclusion is entirely dependent upon the premises. If you assume that everything you see around needed to be "created", and that you may invent a terminator to an endless regression of causes, then you can come to a logical conclusion about the existence of a creator.
My problem lies with the validity of the underlying assumptions. (1 of 2)
Our science is completely devoid of creation of any kind. All we know of is the rearranging of pre-existing energy. Even the postulate of the Big Bang is just the positioning of the all existent energy in one point. I see no reason to assert that some "being who always existed" created the energy, instead of simply admitted that we know nothing about the origin of energy; or even if the word "origin" means anything when applied to energy.
One can always propose premises by fiat, which will result in the logical conclusion of your choice. The premises themselves must be rigorously established if the conclusion is to have any validity or value. No logical argument, I've encountered, has been supported by such well establish premises.
@BigPiePublishing I have one more for you, because I came back this morning to answer someone, and realized that I didn't really answer your challenge of complexity, only creation.
I lie firmly with Dennet & Dawkins on the notion of using a "creator" to explain complexity, because a creator is a complex thing itself. If you are interested, Google skyhooks vs cranes. The arguments you find will probably be better presented than anything I can offer.
@t3tsuyaguy1 Everyday you, like most people, operate under the premise that complexity is the result of intelligent design but when it comes to discussing the existence of God you conveniently dismiss it as some sort of bias. This is what disappoints me most about engaging with Atheists. When gaping holes appear in their logic they cover them with a thinly woven veil of words. A proposterous idea is still a proposterous idea not matter how you word it or who you quote.
@BigPiePublishing So...I tried to send you a PM, with a more detailed explanation, because I feel your objections merit a response. It will not go through, so I will leave it at this. This discourse is definitely hampered by the character count, if I come across as someone using "a thinly woven veil".
I thank you for your questions, but I tire of squeezing my thoughts into 500 character quips. Your questions are worthy. I just can't answer them to my own satisfaction in this format.
So far- none of these claims have been internally consistent, offering of real explanatory value, and the most comprehensive explanation available, all at the same time.
Every argument I have encountered to support these claims has been riddled with logical fallacies, or based on cognitive fallacies.
I see no reason to posit the existence of God myself, therefore I am left without belief, or a reason to support it.
Free Thinkers: Your arguments against Christianity and other traditional religions are in deed valid.Far be it from me to try and sway you from your strong Atheistic beliefs. My own scriptures advise me to not waste my efforts on those whose are adamant in opposing beliefs; however, I feel compelled to submit to you, for your consideration, an alternative avenue of thought that few (if any) of you have investigated, namely "The True Gnostic Church" and the "Song of God" by Azrael Ondi-Ahman.
rnoodle3 1 week ago
"God is a man of War"
bjl34565 1 week ago
The existence of God is not a worthy argument. I was raised Christian. I became an Atheist when I actually read the Bible. I didn't have to spend all my energy defending it and justifying it's cruelty. I was able to read it without forcing myself to agree. There is no way of justifying, metaphorically or contextually smashing a baby against a rock(psalms 137). Arguing is a pure waste of time. I wouldn't debate those who believe the Moon is made of cheese. I am relieved to be free to think.
paramattic70 2 weeks ago
You'll be missed, Hitch. Your eloquence, your dedication to truth and your unwavering want of justice for humankind will NEVER be forgotten. You touched many lives, helped many unbelievers, who were fearful of reprisal, intellectual or otherwise, find their voice. To say 'thank you' would be arbitrary, to say 'you were amazing' empty. It seems only sufficient to say that you were a hero to many and heroes tend towards immortality in the minds of those whom they touched.
JeniusRetard 2 weeks ago
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men,… “ Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children
” Ezekiel 9:5-7
“Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses” 1 Samuel 15:2-3 “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” Psalms 137:9.
How could anything be more immoral?
max2right 3 weeks ago
Christianity does NOT teach us to despise our own sexuality, only that there must be boundaries around it-and we have seen what happens when those boundaries fall. Our health is put at jeopardy, to say the least, and our dignity is diminished when we trivialize sex.
dave4shmups 1 month ago
@dave4shmups "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." - Leviticus 20:13
Case closed.
t8nlink 1 month ago 2
Christianity and all the other religions are bullshit. Thank you Chris and all the other truth warriors.
akeffo 1 month ago
"RIP Christopher Hitchens. I'm going to miss you."
MrWINNSLAW 1 month ago
Dear Mr. Hitchens, thank you for helping me emancipate myself from the chains of religious indoctrination. I have never felt so free in my life until people like you pointed out the logical and moral flaws of Christianity and other religions. You are one of my HEROS!!! You will be greatly missed by the intellectual community.... RIP Christopher Hitchens -December 16, 2011.
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standingontruth1 2 months ago in playlist Religion
I haven't listened to his other material but I find his arguments here, smart and rational. He raises serious questions and concerns anyone of faith, myself included, has a responsibility not to shy away from. While I consider myself Christian, I whole heartedly agree that traditional religion is obsolete. Our philosophies must continue to evolve and reflect who and what we are now as a species and facilitate where we"re going.
BeyondTheCreed 3 months ago
@BeyondTheCreed
It sounds like you mean 'make up' more rubbish,
and with that hint of embarrassment that he spoke of earlier.....
phuturephunk01 1 month ago
@phuturephunk01
LoL Oh, you take yourself far too seriously! "Rubbish" and "embarrassment?" Well, yeah... for many. For others, though, maybe "allegory" and "creative" are better suited. I'd like to think the universe is far more complex and grand than my earth evolved monkey brain can ever understand but that's my philosophical bias. You have yours. It's all good.
“Artists use lies to tell the truth.” ~ Alan Moore, V for Vendetta
BeyondTheCreed 1 month ago
@BeyondTheCreed
Save your breath. I don't converse with cunts.
phuturephunk01 1 month ago
@phuturephunk01
My apologies. It was not my intent to offend. You're obviously very young or not quite right.
BeyondTheCreed 1 month ago
@BeyondTheCreed
Me?
What about a guy who promotes or at least advocates the NEED for a 'modern' or an oddly 'evolving' christianity, at the same time as quoting a rather dark graphic novelist?
You need to have a word with your confused self.
phuturephunk01 3 weeks ago
the part he said "BUT" i thought he goin to say "But, God loves you" LOL!
erlcly02 4 months ago
Which christopher hitchens speach is this from?
beaprod 4 months ago
hitchens is like rodney dangerfield on the talk show circuit, always using the same
material...
Abr022575 4 months ago
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you need some new material, Chris
Abr022575 4 months ago
That should be "fundie", not "funding".
wargledsfargeg 5 months ago
@shieldsff
Your comments are a hilarious complement to the video. Spot on satire. You come off as a legitimate funding. Well done.
wargledsfargeg 5 months ago
The universe came into excistence for no particular reason, life happened because of the early large stars exploding, sending their elements into space, life evolved on a blue dot around a small star eventually giving rise to apes with big brains, obsessed with purpose and goals, managing to ask why-questions: why are we here? what is the purpose of it all?
InterZlatan8 5 months ago
THEORY OF GRAVITY IS A MYTH
INTELLIGENT FALLING IS TRUTH
MaxAC40 5 months ago 2
Theists are generally dumber. Prove me wrong.
SirAlfredSourcock 5 months ago 3
@SirAlfredSourcock
An inverse correlation between religiosity and intelligence has been found by 39 studies carried out between 1927 and 2002 (Bell, Paul. "Would you believe it?" Mensa Magazine, UK Edition, Feb. 2002, pp. 12–13. Analyzing 43 studies carried out since 1927, Bell found that all but four reported such a connection, and he concluded that "the higher one's intelligence or education level, the less one is likely to be religious or hold 'beliefs' of any kind.")
lallellallo 5 months ago 3
@cwross1976, I fully agree with trueChaos23 - you cwross1976 are a true ignorant idiot.
Nobullporfavor 6 months ago
Thank you for posting this, 43alley.
writersblock26 6 months ago
All abrahamic religions are immoral and their holly books clearly state so. You theists can not argue about that. Slavery, rape, incest, mass murder, infanticide, torture, it's all there with the approval of 'god'. Keep pointing the finger to the (PLANED)abortion supporters but an abortion won't even come close to the cruelty of the character you people praise and have the nerve to call perfect and benevolent.
ZZzzzzzWhat 6 months ago
43allley interpret means don't use logic or reason. How do they know the true interpretation? Do they know the mind of god? Gtfoh! Why is it good scriptures are correct but the evil ones are taken out of context?
MrAdwolfe1 6 months ago
@MrAdwolfe1 So what you are saying is that since nobody knows the "true interpretation" (as if thats what denying religion is about)it is more logical to believe in a divine psychopath who is indifferent to human suffering?
trueChaos23 6 months ago
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youneekk 6 months ago
Cwross1976 What is right and wrong might be different for every person but that is clearly not a reason to give our moral laws to a book that has not yet be proven if what it says its actually true
pochopaz7381 6 months ago
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Jesus is the moral standard.
WayOfTheMaster454 6 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 - "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26
Nice.
43alley 6 months ago 63
@43alley --"Hate" in that context means "to love less"; Jesus is to be loved even more than your own parents because he is God.
WayOfTheMaster454 6 months ago
@43alley I agree with wayofthemaster454.When he wrote 'hate' he really meant 'love',just as when the bible states that slavery is good it really means that slavery is bad,and when the bible calls for stoning,what is really meant is that a person ought never be stoned to death.You must learn to interpret the bible.
henryporter101 6 months ago 3
@43alley Wow really? Did you google that and take that completely out of context? WOw lol
jbjrsdbttdl 5 months ago
@43alley I'm a fellow skeptic, but it's important to use that verse in its context. Jesus wasn't commanding to literally hate the family, but rather, the believer should love Jesus so much that it's almost likened to hate on a favortism analysis.
Still wrong, but make sure you use that quote in the right context or people might assume that's an extremist statement ;) Good reply though. hahaha
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@seaFoodSifu I would also strongly recommend that everybody check out the the article "The Old, New Atheism" by Jackson Lears in the May 2011 issue of the New Republic. Just a brilliant, insightful well-reasoned polemic all around
shieldsff 5 months ago
@43alley That is self hating. Unable to follow the commandment "Love your neighbor as yourself."
halolIlmao0 5 months ago
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@43alley - How morally true- If a person does not value the centrality of God to all life, then they never really live and get to experience the source of all gits and blessings (including one's very own mother, father, spouse, children, etc...) everything good in this life exists only because of God the Creator
shieldsff 5 months ago
@43alley From a bible that has been translated again and again and again. Are you sure there wasn't any mistakes on writing the bible?
Besides if this was correct, don't you sometimes just get mad at your relatives or friends or get mad of "how did it come to this" whenever something goes wrong and its their fault.
kidasterorig111 3 months ago
@43alley @WayOfTheMaster454 - the word "hate" isn't literal, Christ is saying "if you're not willing to give up your mother and father..." If you choose to repent, as the Bible says, then it will take a major change in the way you live your life, and the willingness to give up those closest to you, while unnecessary, shows the level of dedication you hold. God wouldn't ask that you give them up, just to be dedicated...
PsionicSoul 3 days ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 Do you listen to yourself when you talk or do you just drift in and out?
randymullen511 6 months ago
@randymullen511 --And you disagree because:______________.
WayOfTheMaster454 6 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 You're an imbecile... AND my statement is based on evidence.
ragnarok343 6 months ago
@ragnarok343 --List your reasons.
WayOfTheMaster454 6 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 I don't even know where to start, man...
1)You've named your youtube account after Ray Comfort's critical thinking travesty
2)You actually think that the Jesus character depicted in the bible is a moral standard
3)AND you think saying something so pointless and haughty actually rebuts anything that was said in the video.
All these point to you having an extra chromosome or something... but I assume you don't believe in chromosomes anyway, so you're safe...
ragnarok343 6 months ago
@ragnarok343 --You still have not mentioned why Jesus is not a good moral standard.
WayOfTheMaster454 6 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 Jesus healed some cripples, wouldn't a decent moral standard provide this sort of healthcare for everyone? Seems like an easy thing to do with such a powerful ally such as his father.
Hirnlego999 5 months ago 2
@Hirnlego999 --Jesus didnt come to provide healthcare; miracles were given as a sign of fullfilled prophesy and proof of divinity.
WayOfTheMaster454 5 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 How useless, so he basically didn't mind that millions if not billions will continue to suffer? At least they have proof (btw, this news still hasn't reached many parts of the world). One expect better from an all-loving God, from any decent shepherd. And btw, who bother inventing diseases in the first place? Criminal. Who cares that magic man can do magic, help people.
Hirnlego999 5 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 Jesus? Believe or go to hell Jesus? The power to get rid of all diseases but choose only to help few? See the video "what would Jesus NOT do"
Hirnlego999 4 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454, God is an incompetent moral monster. First of all, God cursed two people living in 4000BC because they were deceived by a talking snake to eat fruit from a tree that GOD HIMSELF placed in a garden. So an omniscient God, fully knowing that these people would be deceived, decided to create a tree that God himself knew would cause him to curse Adam and Eve. Secondly, God decided to undo this curse through the atonement of Jesus, but the Bible says God is unchanging.
Nashhinton 1 month ago 6
@WayOfTheMaster454, (continued)... Since God is unchanging according to the Bible, yet he decides to continuously create new dispensations and covenants while desiring to end the curse that God himself placed on Adam and Eve's descendants, God is a paradox and a constant contradiction, making him imperfect.
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how can christianity be immoral if morality is just another figment of 'their' imagination? ah, but morality means different things to different people, doesn't it? for example, most christians think that abortion is wrong. killing children in utero doesn't even sound like fun, much less like something i'd want to do as a job. most atheists probably don't really care, none of my business, right? but evolution probably wants (?!!) the freshest genetic sample to prevail... yeah, nonsense...
cwross1976 6 months ago
@cwross1976 - Don't think too deep about these things, do you?
43alley 6 months ago 45
@cwross1976 I think you're getting abortion and EUGENICS mixed up. And atheists don't think morality is made up (at least I don't), just that I can decide that, yea, murder is probably BAD. I don't need some 2000 year old hippie to tell me that.
00chicken101 6 months ago
@cwross1976 The bible condones abortion I'm afraid. States that embryos aren't as much of value as actual humans.
M3t4lManiac 6 months ago
@cwross1976 To put it simply, your an ignorant idiot.
trueChaos23 6 months ago
@cwross1976 wtf are you saying... your words are nonsense.
seaFoodSifu 5 months ago
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Lots of confused, misleading discussion in this rant. Since most of you deny the existence of God anyway, why now attempt to malign Him with unjustly condemning pple. Isn't this exactly what one might expect from intolerance- always omit the salient facts of His justice, mercy and purity. God will certainly judge righteously; faith says pple will get what they deserve.YES, the likes of rapists, murderers,thieves, slave-traders,robbers,greedy hypocrites,etc.. will go to Hell-but pple choose HELL
shieldsff 5 months ago
@cwross1976 Logical fallacy.
SorrellsAV 4 months ago
@cwross1976, The Bible encourages the murder of babies, abuse of children, and abortion. Read these verses: Hosea 13:16; 2 Kings 15:16; Numbers 31:17; 1 Samuel 15:3; Psalms 135:8 and 136:10; Psalms 137:9; Hosea 9:11-16; Leviticus 20:9; Judges 11:30-40; Psalms 137:8-9; 2 Kings 6:28-29; Deuteronomy 21:18-21; Judges 19:24-29; Exodus 12:29; Exodus 20:9-10; 2 Kings 2:23-24; Leviticus 26:30; 1 Samuel 15:11-18; I Kings 16:34; Isaiah 13:15-18; Jeremiah 11:22-23; Lamentations 2:20-22. Your God is an ass.
Nashhinton 1 month ago 8
@cwross1976 actually abortion is almost always the removal of an egg so small that it would fit quite nicely on the top of a pin. to liken it to murder is to call masturbation genocide. oh and evolution has no agenda. and an atheist may or may not care. and also morality is a shared view on what is right and what is wrong, yes its true we don't all agree on some parts of morality but we label people who for example think its ok to murder as psychotic and remove them from society, when possible
WeGameAlotSir 2 weeks ago
2nd dang right it's survival of the fittest u and me put jn an arena with a piece of meat between us and were both starving the fittest would win cause I would kill for that piece of meat I'd survive.
NoCommentFilmz 6 months ago
Blare your another dumb Christian first of all who said it's right to rape and kill. Your god let's it go on since he Is all powerful all knowing all good god he wouldn't let these things happen if this magical man in the sky actually existed.
NoCommentFilmz 6 months ago
blattt188 6 months ago
@blattt188 Nice strawmen you've got there.
Sharagran 6 months ago
@Sharagran gee thanx man
blattt188 6 months ago
That was brutal. lol
hypock1 7 months ago
man created god in his own imagination
octoron85 7 months ago 3
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GahdeMalprigi1488x 7 months ago
@GahdeMalprigi1488x Thank you for the link. I've learned a lot. Peace.
doobdoob2 7 months ago
@graemealee you're welcome
gerandomiseerd 7 months ago
@graemealee I agree and may I add that NOT believing in a god IS falsifiable. The way to falsify atheism is simply to produce a supernatural being. So far, this hasn't happened yet. Therefore I consider my hypothesis corroborated.
gerandomiseerd 7 months ago
Christopher Hitchens is awesome. Also, seeing humans today makes me wonder how our species has survived itself for at least 100.000 years. And immediately I doubt we will survive the next 100.000 years.
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There were no Homo-Sapiens!!! Religion intervened at the right time.............. The idea of evolution is completely fake, Believe me!
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this was informative & helpful discussion;.I think it may also prove helpful to some of the viewers here to try to evaluate many of the more strident claims of the anti-theist critique ("brights") from a ideological/ metaphysics perspective. Check out the recent article by Jackson Lears in the May 16, 2011 issue of the The Nation entitled "Same Old New Atheism" .The article offers a compelling analysis of Sam Harris' works. Consideration is given to general atheistic social perspectives
shieldsff 8 months ago
its like with your parents, you love them but you listen to them bc you dont want to be grounded or whatever, & they do it to show you the difference between right and wrong
mdisse1 8 months ago
@mdisse1
"... be grounded or whatever." Hitchens, as well as many skeptics of religion, really try to investigate the "grounded or whatever" you throw in your statement. "Grounded" is bad enough just for the assumed sin every human on Earth carries and must rectify, but your "whatever" is used in your post as a frisbee striking a passer-by when it's more parabolic to a plasma explosion from the sun striking the Earth and basking the global life populations in eternal fire.
MsGeogeog 7 months ago
@mdisse1 Why would this be promised to non-believers of the Christian religion if it was moral-based? Granted some morality MAY be derived from certain ideals, but that does not grant it the illogical presumption of totalitarian domain and promise for bathing vast populations in eternal fire and suffering all because of a non-existent internal mind-control device in individuals who question the ideals, or even those who are not even in geographic range for the religion to be mind-festered.
MsGeogeog 7 months ago
@mdisse1
As Hitchens states, this proposition is totally immoral to our present standards of reason and philosophy.
MsGeogeog 7 months ago
well, thats actually a good lesson that us Christians can take from athiests, bc Christianity does teach that your suppose to do it bc its the right thing to do, not bc your afraid of going to hell, thats just suppose to push you into thinking about these things & it blossoms into something more, & plus, i think this world needs a loving but hard God, bc, bc who are we to say whats right?
mdisse1 8 months ago
@76smittenkitten No-one ever targets Islam? You're joking, right? Even the title of Hitchens' book "God is not Great" is a direct and deliberate bitch slap again Islam. Then there's Theo van Gogh's film about the awful effect Islam has on his country.
As for there never being a good excuse for targetting (anyone for their) beliefs - au contraire. It is only by questioning beliefs and assumptions that we can improve and develop!
thegalaxytruffleman 8 months ago
and i dont wanna call this man ignorant, i just wanna say he missunderstands it all, he even sais hes never tried to if you wanna call it "be forced to love some invisible dictator". the way i see it, my God tells me to believe in him, & love him, bc if i didnt i would do what he commands me to do, love my fellow man, & obviously if i love them i wouldnt kill them, steal from them, commit adultery with them (if anyone has any questions about that last one just ask)
mdisse1 8 months ago
@mdisse1 Do you follow everything the bible tells you? The bible tells you to kill anyone who disagrees with you. Who was the last person you killed?
tjhombs 7 months ago
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@tjhombs "they hear, but they do not listen"
jeffreysoboe 6 months ago
honestly i couldve easily lived my whole life as a selfish piece of shit, then i became a cathlolic, & there was alot i learned from it about being a caring person, it pushed me to try & love & take care of the poor
mdisse1 8 months ago
@mdisse1 If you needed religion to become a caring person, and stop yourself being "a selfish piece of shit", then I'm afraid that that says more about you than about the veracity of your belief system.
Atheists do good things not because they are ordered to do so, but because it's just the right thing to do. And which do you believe is the more noble motive?
thegalaxytruffleman 8 months ago 4
@76smittenkitten
That's only because Christianity has been the most opressive of all the religions. When I, an athiest living in America, am told that my child MUST be taught creationism in public school and when I'm told by a Christian that I must either accept their message or i'm going to Hell, I have the right to get pissed off. If you don't want your religion mocked, then it should stop interfering in the lives of those that want no part in it and threatening those who dont accept it.
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codehendrix 8 months ago
@endofscene- See, the problem is that it does matter. Because people are willing to ruin thier lives and the lives of other based on what? a book of fairytales. Thats like if I said I'm going to commit genocide, condone slavery, racism, tribalism, totalitarianism, animal sacrifice, and dedicating my whole life to time consuming worship because I was 100% positive that the lord of the rings was a factual occurrence. It doesn't matter that you know its bullshit because I have faith so I'm right n
ThePublicIsInsane 8 months ago
More Eloquent and persuasive than Dawkin. Athesitic tour de force.
People often question why atheists have to sound so angry about things, I think Hitchens nails powerfully why Christianity is far from being 'neutral and inoffensive'. Religion has been 'arresting progress' for thousands of years, claiming ownership for innate morality and making the lives of many utterly miserable thru guilt and sacrifice.
Anger would seem to be a mild response to this.
elgar104 8 months ago
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learnislam00 9 months ago
FACT IS HOMINID SPECIES HAVE BEEN ON THIS AND OTHER PLANETS IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE HOMINID SPECIES ON THIS PLANET IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT AND GENETIC MUTATION. PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS ASKING WHY WE CAN'T FIND THIS OR THAT OR THE OTHER THING WHEN THE EVIDENCE IS EVERYWHERE. HUMANS ALSO LIVED IN PROXIMITY TO THE OCEAN AS WELL AND YOU SEE WHAT A SMALL TSUNAMI CAN DO TO JAPAN. IMAGINE ONE 100 TIMES THAT SIZE. I DOUBT YOU'D FIND MUCH IN A MILLION YEARS.
chuck1967 9 months ago
@chuck1967 Other hominid species are not in different stages of development, their brain is incapable of functioning the way ours does. There is no evidence of hominids in outer space, other apes that are starting to think like us (in fact, dolphins are far, far closer) or an ultra-powerful tsunami anywhere in history.
Nidair 9 months ago
@Nidair
LOL! YES THERE WERE NOW AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN MEGA TSUNAMIS IN EARTH'S HISTORICAL PAST BECAUSE IT'S THE NATURAL CYCLE OF WHAT HAPPENS TO ISLANDS FORMED BY VOLCANOES THAT BREAK OFF AND FALL INTO THE OCEAN. THEY GREAT HUGE TSUNAMIS. THEY ARE FINDING TREES FROM PHOENIX, AZ IN SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH. HOW DO YOU THINK THOSE PETRIFIED TREES GOT THERE MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO? TSUNAMI
chuck1967 4 months ago
@chuck1967 Erosion is not the same as a tsunami. Look it up.
Nidair 4 months ago
@chuck1967
Actually no, in 1986 Chuck Norris was involved in a charity Caber-Tossing event in Phoenix AZ.
I guess that sucker finally landed, huh?
phuturephunk01 1 month ago
@chuck1967 Ehhh, that's a fact is it?
Nervousification 9 months ago
@chuck1967 WHY YOU SHOUTING, MANG?
I think you want to be pointing out that Hominins, not Hominids have been around for millions of years. Both are true, but hominins are more closely related to humans (everything from the split forward). Also, I'm not sure that you're correct as to the proximity to the oceans. In fact, in the time of early and archaic homo sapiens, there was a huge shortage of water caused by the ice age, leading to bipedality - something that contributed to our evolution.
DreamerbyDeseption 8 months ago
@DreamerbyDeseption
I ALSO THINK IT GAVE HUMANS AN ADVANTAGE THAT COULD WALK UPRIGHT FOR SURVIVAL REASONS. YOU CAN SEE FURTHER OVER THINGS AND BEING UPRIGHT MADE HUMANS LOOK LARGER THAN THEY ACTUALLY WERE IN HEIGHT. BEING BIPEDAL DEFINITELY HAS MORE ADVANTAGES BUT NOT SO MUCH IN SPEED AS IN IT'S OWN DEVELOPING AWARENESS AND INTELLIGENCE.
chuck1967 4 months ago
@chuck1967 None of these 'advantages' had any impact on humans' survival.
Nidair 4 months ago
Twas just revealed to me that Hitch writes & edits for VANITY FAIR! My God a FASHION magazine, really Hitch? Man that's disappointing. I'm sure it pays well but what about all the royalties from your books? I'm embarrassed to admit, but that does ruin your cred. a bit. Get well soon (& get a new job, preferably out of FASHION or away from POP mags devoid of even a crumb of intellectual thought : )
timjdong 9 months ago
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TheHcgdietplan 9 months ago
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A very well produced slide show. It perfectly highlights a fantastic speech by Mr. Hitchens.
Impalamark64 9 months ago
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Impalamark64 9 months ago
so god had man write a book and men cant even agree on this book and most men dont even believe it, dumb god. without fear there would be no religion.... iam a pantheist i want a real god i dont fear the real god. i want reality
funkster22657 9 months ago
Dizzamn!
clerzerkerTOto7 10 months ago
@graemealee Actually, mate, sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but there are an infinite number of possible deities, the Judeo-Christian God being just one. If there was no Moses then that has no bearing on Krishna or Thor or others. And perhaps the God of the Jews or the Muslims or the Christians does actually exist in some form, but that the Moses story just happens to be false.
endofscene 10 months ago
@graemealee Sandal straps would most probably have disintegrated. Sheep droppings would undoubtedly have done so. As for graves, now that is something of note, unless perhaps they disposed of their dead in a way that we are unfamiliar with. Absense of evidence is by no means evidence of absense. That is extremely narrow-minded.
Whether or not Moses existed, or the wandering Jewish tribes, has little to no baring on the existence of God.
endofscene 10 months ago
@endofscene "Whether or not Moses existed, or the wandering Jewish tribes, has little to no baring on the existence of God."
IT HAS EVERYTHING to do with the absence or existence of THE Jewish God.
We have much more evidence for the Ancient Egyptian gods.
Hundreds of tombs and stone carvings depicting these gods.
Why would they be any less existent?
gjsterp 10 months ago
@endofscene The absence of evidence is not a justifiable reason to believe something, though. When you have evidence that something was a construct, rather than face, absence of evidence is, in a sense, evidence of absence. Also, if these tribes did exist and were nomadic, there would still have been outside records of them when they came into contact with other groups (which, in the Bible, they do). As for burial, it is likely the bones were taken with them until they found a permanent home.
DreamerbyDeseption 8 months ago
@DreamerbyDeseption I didn't say absence of evidence was a justifiable reason to believe something. I just said that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You can only deal with evidence you have, and that will usually be pretty limited. Unless you have all the evidence, all the facts, then you are not in a position to be making any certain claims.
As for records of contact, perhaps there were records that have perished. Perhaps there are records that have never been found.
endofscene 8 months ago
@endofscene I can understand what you're saying, but there is a difference between possibility and plausibility. Yes absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but that lack of evidence allows you to make a claim that, according to all known information, X does not exist/did not happen. And, trust me, even if our evidence is limited, there is usually at least something by which we can say 'this is a possibility'.
DreamerbyDeseption 8 months ago
@DreamerbyDeseption Possibility and plausibility are defined by the paradigm of your perspective. I personally don't think we as a species know much about the world or the universe. I don't know whether the Moses story in the Bible actually happened or not. It's certainly possible it didn't. It's also possible that it did, but not in the way the Bible records. It's possible that it's a fable or a parable. Personally it doesn't matter to me either way.
endofscene 8 months ago
Hitchens is the ultimate proof of god. A brilliant mind like that could not have sprouted without a guidance of a supreme being and I am but a humble infidel.
Get well soon Hitch, the world needs you.
Kocmyliusz 10 months ago
@39651able I never said I was brilliant. The video is brilliant because it so eloquently words such a compelling argument.
taicleis 10 months ago
@taicleis Dude, enjoy the Video. Back in the day, I used to fawn all over William F Buckley...I wanted to be just like Him: sit cross legged in a chair; wear loafers with tassels and pontificate...He was my idol, I worshipped Him. I believe He is pushing up daisies now. Who ever Mr. Hitchens is debating is the flip side of the coin...the opposite end of the stick...another "gas bag" in my opinion. And no, I'm not going to watch that Video to verify. Enjoy The Video.
39651able 10 months ago
I certify that I have watched this Video, all 5:01 of it. Thats what you call profound- oh well. What is so unique, original about this? Does this Man have a Drinking problem? Just some old Turd that sprouted legs and a mouth- bars are full of them.
39651able 10 months ago
@39651able Are you bereft of logic and thought?
drfoxcourt 10 months ago
@drfoxcourt Totally...I'm crazy as a Loon.
39651able 10 months ago
@39651able What the hell are you talking about? I'm not here for your entertainment. I came here to watch a brilliant video, and I did just that. Then I told a pompous ass that he was a pompous ass for posting a worthless and deriding comment on that video (without even watching it).
taicleis 10 months ago
@taicleis Oh Well, Please Tell me what is so brilliant about this video or you?
39651able 10 months ago
@39651able What about my 'no competition'? Ohhhh, did you mean "you're"? Because you used 'your', which indicates possession. Oh yes, you must be very well-read. I'm so glad YouTube magically prevents you from expressing your deeply intelligent arguments. I'm sure they would be very well-thought-out and convincing.
taicleis 10 months ago
@taicleis What took you so long?...do you have anything: new, interesting; or deeply intelligent to say to me?
39651able 10 months ago
@39651able Least you have some balls. Sometimes post a comment, owner of Video deletes comment and comes back and takes His best shot. I'm just expressing myself; taking a break from my Sanskrit Studies. You had assumed I live in my Mothers basement and have nothing better to do than this? I am essentially irrelevant and not concerned about "convincing" anyone. My influence is: zip, nada, nothing- so is "yours" (looking at dictionary, if not right defer to your greatness). Show Original Comment.
39651able 10 months ago
you don't have to believe in science or know any science to not believe in a god or creator all you need is ......LOGIC
carnifex714 10 months ago
@39651able "first ten seconds is enough"? No wonder you're unable to even posit any real disagreement with the video; you didn't even watch it. That makes your comment worth about as much as spam in all its irrelevance.
taicleis 10 months ago
@taicleis YouTube, as is often the case will not allow me to express myself...let me just say- your no competition.
39651able 10 months ago
@graemealee
Any god you define well enough for the concept to have meaning can be falsified. Any god you don't describe well enough to have meaning already doesn't exist.
rkyeun 10 months ago
@39651able
Oh, well done there. Watch a video that tears down your twisted and immoral bronze-age dogma, then play it off like "oh, what a gas bag. I hate this man. That makes him wrong." So intelligent. So remarkably relevant!
Consider that your comment is a thousand times worse in every regard by which you criticize this video.
taicleis 10 months ago
@taicleis What's this Video about anyway? First 10 seconds of it is enough for me. Rubbish pure Rubbish. "tears down your twisted and immoral bronze-age dogma" you assume a lot. Makes Him right for you- that's your world. Excuse me while I go shed a tear.
39651able 10 months ago
@graemealee which god. Abraham worshipped el elohim, moses' god was yahweh, the later prophets mention adonai (god of the wars). Israel want monotheistic untill babylon, and they only picked one so they could one up the gods of babylon. This works as added evidence of the full of shit nature of the bible. Oh and I do agree with you.
TheCaptainLulz 10 months ago
This is one of the best arguments of anti-theism I have ever heard! Chris you go!
XUltra00 10 months ago
Human Empathy, a biologically mandated experiential, prredates all know religions by oooooooo a few million years. Empathy emerges from within the naturalhuman being, the natural child. This is Sceintifically proven. As well as understood by all of good heart. And is feared most of all, above all else, my Power of any kind.
djlookwood 10 months ago
@djlookwood Is English your first Language Sir? What Country...Planet are you from?
39651able 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@39651able last line should have read "And is feared most of all, above all else, by Hierarchical Power of any kind."
djlookwood 10 months ago
I don't care what he believes, I can't stand gas bags like this...can't burn in Hell quick enough. I think I will stick with Sanskrit, Greek and Shadow Puppets. "Disgusted by our own sexuality"? Thats how I find you. I'll just move onto some other Videos...Thank you very much.
39651able 10 months ago
2:55 Chuck Norris!!!
MrEBoyd 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 Simpering apologist? What exactly do you think you accomplish with such bile?
No, I don't agree with about the delusional nature of "all religions". Many believers are simply incorrect, or lack necessary data, through no fault of their own. Nor are all religions dangerous. Not very many suicide bombing Quakers or Amish around here.
I do agree that religion should be challenged and argued against. As should those who substitute fundamentalist nonsense for intellectual rigor.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 That's right. Respond to criticism by digging in your heels and repeating yourself. You're not exactly the same as the people you hate at all. No uncompromising hate-filled rhetoric from you. Nope.
There are some really arrogant fundamentalist thinkers in this country. They undermine meaningful discourse with their non-sense and hate. If you'd like to talk to one about changing their ways, try the closest mirror.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 What needs to be opposed is poor thinking. Lazy, self righteous, us/them bullshit. It doesn't matter if you've accidentally hit upon a correct notion. If your reasoning isn't sound, someone should point it out. I certainly agree with you about the supernatural, but your assertions about "religious people" are simply bunkum.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 Now you turn to making unfounded assumptions about me. Ad-hominins & straw-men. False analogies. You may as well be Kirk Cameron or Ben Stein. You are really going in the wrong direction.
Here's a little reality check for you. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any gods. I hold all religions to be incorrect attempts to explain reality.
What I don't do is make assumptions about entire groups of people. You should really consider that you may be little more than a hypocrite.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 You persist in pretending that the most foolish religious people in the world, speak for all of them. Hitchens' contribution to the pool of human intellect, is an aggressive demand of intellectual honesty. You are not living up to the very thing you respect.
"Religious people" cannot be lumped together in a single group. Their beliefs and perspectives are myriad. Their intellectual acumen is highly varied. Your statements are as aggressively ignorant as the worst creatards.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@Tarn1968 With all do respect, your comment is not supported by reality.
Many religious people are highly educated and well informed. There are quite a number of interesting and intellectually satisfying religious people here on you-tube. I have found debating with them, and watching their debates with others; to be, both stimulating and enriching.
You lower yourself to the level of the least intellectually sound among us, when you paint all adherents to a given viewpoint with one brush.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@graemealee Just for the sake of intellectual honesty: no Moses = no Abrahamic God
Those other 10 million or so celestial beings, people believe in are not really tied to Jewish texts. :)
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
Until Atheism produces a logical, rational explanation for the existence of all that is, we will have religon... and Atheists will be the the minority. So if you think religion is holding back humanity's progress... you have your assignment. Go for it!
BigPiePublishing 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing ugh, you can't come up with a rational explanation of the existence of all that is by simply rejecting the claim that a God exists. Atheism isn't an ideology or a teaching or school of thought. It is simply the rejection of religious claims, that is its very definition. Is 'not reading' a hobby? Or 'not playing tennis' a sport? Ofcourse they aren't!
It is the job of science to find a rational explanation of the 'existence of all that is,' not atheism.
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 11 months ago
@FrankieSayRelaxxx1 So if you want to overlook the ovbious so you can live as you please and never have to explain why you believe what you believe (or don't believe what you don't believe) become an atheist. Am I wrong to conclude this? If so, tell me how.
BigPiePublishing 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing Yeh you're wrong. But I don't think there is any point in telling people who are as obnoxiously dogmatic as you.
FrankieSayRelaxxx1 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing Atheism produces nothing. Atheism is not an organization. Atheism is not a system of thought. Atheism is simply the rejection of the claims of theism.
Some Atheists have good reasons. Some have stupid reasons. Some adhere to scientific explanations of the world. Some don't know any more than your garden variety creatard.
Religion could easily die away without an alternative explanation. It would simply require the development of a social taboo against rectal speech.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 So how about your reasons?
BigPiePublishing 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing To be realistic. I could never fit a robust presentation of my philosophical stance in youtube comments.
I can try to answer as best I can in this format however.
The existence of a God or gods is a claim that a human being is making to me. I have never witnessed a vision- thus humans are the source of all my knowledge of the supernatural. (1 of 2)
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 But to deny the possibilty of a supreme being is very illogical. The universe is filled with such complexity and precision that the concept of a creator/designer is the most logical conclusion. Do you honestly believe logic supports any other conclusion. If so, please tell me how. I know YouTube comments are limiting but if you could briefly explain I'd be most grateful.
BigPiePublishing 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing Logic is a fickle friend. The conclusion is entirely dependent upon the premises. If you assume that everything you see around needed to be "created", and that you may invent a terminator to an endless regression of causes, then you can come to a logical conclusion about the existence of a creator.
My problem lies with the validity of the underlying assumptions. (1 of 2)
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing 2 of 3 (oops)
Our science is completely devoid of creation of any kind. All we know of is the rearranging of pre-existing energy. Even the postulate of the Big Bang is just the positioning of the all existent energy in one point. I see no reason to assert that some "being who always existed" created the energy, instead of simply admitted that we know nothing about the origin of energy; or even if the word "origin" means anything when applied to energy.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing 3 of 3
One can always propose premises by fiat, which will result in the logical conclusion of your choice. The premises themselves must be rigorously established if the conclusion is to have any validity or value. No logical argument, I've encountered, has been supported by such well establish premises.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing I have one more for you, because I came back this morning to answer someone, and realized that I didn't really answer your challenge of complexity, only creation.
I lie firmly with Dennet & Dawkins on the notion of using a "creator" to explain complexity, because a creator is a complex thing itself. If you are interested, Google skyhooks vs cranes. The arguments you find will probably be better presented than anything I can offer.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@t3tsuyaguy1 Everyday you, like most people, operate under the premise that complexity is the result of intelligent design but when it comes to discussing the existence of God you conveniently dismiss it as some sort of bias. This is what disappoints me most about engaging with Atheists. When gaping holes appear in their logic they cover them with a thinly woven veil of words. A proposterous idea is still a proposterous idea not matter how you word it or who you quote.
BigPiePublishing 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing So...I tried to send you a PM, with a more detailed explanation, because I feel your objections merit a response. It will not go through, so I will leave it at this. This discourse is definitely hampered by the character count, if I come across as someone using "a thinly woven veil".
I thank you for your questions, but I tire of squeezing my thoughts into 500 character quips. Your questions are worthy. I just can't answer them to my own satisfaction in this format.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@BigPiePublishing 2 of 2
So far- none of these claims have been internally consistent, offering of real explanatory value, and the most comprehensive explanation available, all at the same time.
Every argument I have encountered to support these claims has been riddled with logical fallacies, or based on cognitive fallacies.
I see no reason to posit the existence of God myself, therefore I am left without belief, or a reason to support it.
I hope that is clear enough.
t3tsuyaguy1 11 months ago
@leroywinston1 you are mentally retarded my child. Did god do that to you? Or heredity and NS? (B)
TDWPMegalomaniaTDWP 11 months ago