When Pro-Life is Pro-Death

[TheGreatRL]

I believe in most of this stuff but i'm pro-choice. What the hell does being pro-life or pro-choice have to do with it

[garysdeskcom]

@TheGreatRL The irony is that many people who are pro-choice believe in supporting the quality of life of people far more than many people who are pro-life. The papal document I read on the topic was very good at encouraging people to support life for all people around the world.

[mhobbs1982]

what  what what what lololololololololololollol

[iJapanda]

WOW. you dont know anything. no wonder this video only has 465 view this is false information i have a video on my other account of me and my friend lip sycing to a hannah montana song that has 943 viewss, your just a babykiller. JERK.

[garysdeskcom]

You called me a jerk and a baby killer. You need to check your facts. You also need to act with decency.  I have never had an abortion. I have never assisted anybody who wanted an abortion. I have never killed a child. You need to use your brain before you post.

[vashlash64]

Pro life: advocating full legal protection of embryos and fetuses (especially opposing the legalization of induced abortions). there you have it, Definition of pro choice. You don't have to support labor laws, and certain living wages.

[garysdeskcom]

The largest prolife organization in the world is the Catholic church and they take the position that being prolife extends through the entire lifespan of people and includes labor laws. My video is fully in harmony with Catholic positions on the issue, even though I am not Catholic.

[jsweet83]

you do have  an interesting point

[garysdeskcom]

Thanks. I appreciate your watching and posting comments.

[DavidVelezPerez]

Romans 1:27

[garysdeskcom]

First, giving a text without saying anything about the text means zero. A complete zero post. Context is important. Romans chapter is about people who already rejected God. They went to the temples of other gods and had sex with male & female prostitutes as an act of worship to those gods. Gay people do not currently have sex as an act of worship to another god.

[DavidVelezPerez]

I never said anything about worshipping other gods, read the verse.

[garysdeskcom]

You are the one who needs to read the verse. I am giving the verse the context of the book of the Bible. If you refuse to read the Bible in context, then you are not capable of having an intelligent, informed discussion. Try reading all of Romans Chapters 1 to 3 and you will see what it is about. Context matters. If you don't do that, then do not post again.

[DavidVelezPerez]

"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."-Romans 1:27

[garysdeskcom]

Obviously, you are not prepared to read the chapter. That means you really do not know what this text is talking about. Since you will not comment on your interpretation of the text, and you appear to be declining to read the chapter, so you can get a sense of the context and understand what was being said, we are done talking. You only want to condemn, not understand.

[ImCARose]

I know I'm opening up a hornets nest here, but Gary, there is a difference between not agreeing with the GLBT agenda and being willing to tolerate any disrespect of a GLBT person. But saying that the GLBT lifestyle is not healthy is not the same as disrespecting the GLBT person. If my brother (or sister) smokes a lot of pot and it's affecting their life, would it be loving for me to simply help them buy more weed, to roll their joints or to ignore when they do the same, even celebrating iweed?

[ImCARose]

I appreciate that many believe that a GLBT person is born that way. Maybe, maybe not. And yes, God does love you, absolutely true, even as a GLBT person, He loves you! But He doesn't love it when I do something I shouldn't do, even when He continues to love me. That's because He has helped me to know what is best for me by revealing certain truths about how I can have the best life. Many don't understand this revelation some of which is found in the bible some simply in creation. God Lvs U

[ImCARose]

So, where does this leave the GLBT person in a highly sexualized society? The same place it leaves anyone who isn't married, to be chaste. The thing is, our culture has lost the knowledge that we are all called to be chaste outside of marriage. So, in the absense of this knowledge we expect that it's OK to seek self pleasure without the commitment to being together forever, open to life, and faithfully. So the GLBT community is not alone in failing to understand this fundamental truth.

[garysdeskcom]

This is the third off topic post. Please check the video more closely. You are not talking about prolife.

You do not understand a fundamental truth - God loves.

[garysdeskcom]

I am not sure why you are posting three posts in a row about homosexuality when the video is clearly about prolife issues. This is so far off topic there is no point in responding.

You have shared nothing at all here that supports your position. God loves even bigoted homophobes.

[garysdeskcom]

Recently, (a few minutes ago) I realized I posted information about one video on a different video. I realize that can happen.

Unfortunately, your post is off topic for this video. This is not about homosexuality. This is about a prolife discussion.

[hellenion]

like pro death is bad!

and you are really easy on calling people pro death. pro death is really wanting humans to die under any circumstances including yourself, and disapproving pregnancy and birth.

i am pro-death, i think humans should be punished for what they've done to this planet.

and yes i know you youtubers all disagree with me. i know your arguments. no i'm not stupid/ignorant /juvenile or whatever. yes i have moral values, but most of them are the opposite of yours.

[brooksupercool]

I'm pretty sure that someone will have already brought this up but...couldn't you just say that the term "Pro-Life" is in reference to Abortion only? I mean from my experience the term "Pro-Life" has only been used with regards to Abortion, and does not serve as a way to define people's views on things other than Abortion. By your definition of "Pro-Life" I totally agree with you on what you're saying, but I think that the problem is with the definition of what "Pro-Life" actually is.

[garysdeskcom]

Thanks for watching and posting. You are right. The general use of the term pro-life is problematic.

I do not think pro-life should be used only in the context of abortion, because respecting and protecting human life involves a lot more than opposing abortion. I never thought of that way until I read a papal document about the topic.

[ImCARose]

So, should we start a movement to end the use of the term "Pro-Choice"? I pro-choice when it comes to deciding what kind of ice cream I want to eat, what neighborhood people should be allowed to live in, what color car to drive or if I should even have/drive a car. I am pro-choice on so many issues, but when it comes to choosing whether another person should live or die, I don't believe I have the right to impose that choice on an innocent person. Oh, and I am pro-affordable housing, etc.

[garysdeskcom]

I have never said people should have abortions. The problem is many prolife people are like rabid dogs when they think a child might die, but would willingly let people die of starvation or lack of housing. They support political and social policies that result in the death of vulnerable people, but that is OK as long as babies are not aborted. That line of reasoning is a serious problem in the prolife movement. My call is to the prolife people to be more prolife.

[starelle]

you should check out Consistent Life Ethics on wiki. I am very consistent life, even in being pro-vegetarian/vegan/raw foodist/fruititarian, as well as an animal rights activist. It's hard to find people that identify in the GLBT community who aren't pro-choice. Thanks garysdeskcom!

[HerAwesomenessXO]

Great video, I added it to my pro-life/anti-abortion playlist.

[garysdeskcom]

Thanks for watching. :-D

[CaMediaRC]

You are somewhat true.

I am COMPLETELY pro-life and don't agree with any form of killing outside of self defense.

BUT... You have to understand that the life of a defenseless baby is plenty more important than certain policies. But supporting health systems and not supporting pro-life is an ABSOLUTE contradiction. Without initial life, ALL other things come second. Without life we wouldn't have any rights!

Most of your video were SECONDARY things. Protect those who can't protect themselves.

[garysdeskcom]

The things mentioned in my video are not secondary. People who die for lack of access to medical care are not in a position to protect themselves. Those forced into working in dangerous working conditions are often not in a position to protect themselves. We need to look at all aspects of being prolife, and not just one or two aspects.

[ImCARose]

Gary, CAMedia's point is correct. If you don't get the right to live in the first place, your lack of affordable housing doesn't matter, you're dead. The same is true of any other right you may deserve. They're all irrelevant if you're not alive to strive to attain any that someone may seek to deny you. First you have to be alive, then all the rest follow. And, yes, other rights are necessary, and worthy of protection.

[garysdeskcom]

What you don't get is that prolife - supporting life - is not limited to a person's birth and death. Check the video. I never said anything opposed to prolife people. Nothing at all. What this video is saying, which is what the Catholic church's teaching on the topic is, a prolife approach continues through an individual's entire life. Limiting caring concern about people's lives to time in the womb is a perversion of principles behind being prolife.

[ImCARose]

The church's teaching is that protection of life is the foundational of all social justice issues, and that without a strong foundation, all the other issues have no base on which to stand. Unfortunately, the material put out by the USCCB before the last election included a brief mention of the need to watch other social justice issues and folks took this to deny that there are first things first. & I addressed GLBT because that's how your entire video starts off. It was a 3 part post. Gd Lvs

[garysdeskcom]

Thanks for pointing out the US Catholic Bishops position. I am not Catholic, so it is difficult for me to keep up with the dynamics in that church. I like the papal document on the topic. I think that document refers to our world as having a culture of death. Given the problems with have generally in promoting life, I think that position is deeply profound.

Thanks for watching and commenting. :-)

[ImCARose]

Gary, I think it's awesome that U have taken the time to read a papal document on the topic. Which one was it? The Catholic Church is amazingly deep. I am Catholic, although I left the church for a long time before returning as an adult. It was amazing to take the time to learn why the church taught certain things, but reading the papal documents and I had to change my mind on things I was certain I would never give up. But when I read their defense of their position, I had to admit I was wrong.

[Mathesonguy]

You know this would be alot more effective if you stuck to the abortion issue, instead of laying out your whole agenda as "pro-life", even if I agree with some of what you say.

The biggest hypocracy here is that if there were anti-abortion laws many young women would die on clothes hangers.

That is what the "pro-life" position really means, and you would do well to mention this hypocracy if you want to make a video on the abortion issue.

[garysdeskcom]

I see pro-life as being more than no abortions. I am also deeply concerned by the danger of back-room abortions.

[CrazyGothicChick]

Are you concerned that 8.5 times as many women die from pregnancy/childbirth causes than from abortion in the average year? I am. Thats another thing about when Pro-Life is Pro-Death. I believe until Pregnancy/Childbirth related deaths are lower than or equal to those from abortion, that women should have a choice, at the very least... First 8 weeks of pregnancy for abortion would be good, too. Have a great day.

[allwayswithlove]

pro life is pro death is just not argumentable. please stop making this nonsensable videos. pro life is what it means. this is an attempt to change the meaning of a word like gay is not what it used to mean and abortion should really be called baby killing and pollitically correct means you cant say things because you have no real response but to paint your opponent as a racist or sexist or homophob ect. quit it

[garysdeskcom]

You are under no obligation, other than possibly some irrational compulsion, to keep coming back. You are welcome to stay away. Pro-life is more than being against abortion. The largest Christian church in the world supports that understanding. Your point of claiming I do nothing to help humanity (not true), and that I am trying to take your money (also not true) shows serious flaws in your arguments.

[CrazyGothicChick]

Pro-Life = Pro-Death when it comes to abortion. 530,000+ more women die from pregnancy/childbirth than from abortion in an average year. Pro-Lifers tend to just be Pro-Fetus-Life, not totally Pro-Life. Pro-Fetus-Life = Pro-Maternal-Death in too many cases..

This video is a (poor) attempt to educate. I thought we have schools, articles,parents, and teachers for that, though.

[allwayswithlove]

pro life means just pro life. just to support the life that was created to have the chance to survive not to be taken care of from conception till death. decisions are up to the individual not society. you have some crazy views of life i hope you are just kidding. i have just been punked right..... i am ..... maybe gonna meet ashton ... nope unfortunately you are serious. if you want to take care of people and this is how you really feel do it with your own money quit trying to take mine

[garysdeskcom]

My ideas are loosely based on a Papal document, where the Pope (JP II) addresses problems that make our culture a culture of death. He talks about abortion and mercy killing from that perspective - two points - not everything it means to protect life. Get real. I have not taken any of your money. You have a choice if you do not like my videos. That choice is to stop watching them, and to go away. That would be "allwayswithlove."

[retrospectivelyJA]

That was an awesome video!

Well done and well said.

[garysdeskcom]

Thank you for your kind words. :-)

[retrospectivelyJA]

No problem :)

[charlamain2209]

ok I'm for alot of those but I think war is sometimes necessary. Maybe Iraq was financially charaged but some good came out of it. Iraq is no longer under the rule of a dictator that slaughtered his own people. The people of Iraq now have choices and can vote. So you tell me is war absolutley unnecessary all the time? Look at WWII and what happened in Germany had we not cared would Hitler maybe have been satisfied with ruleing all of europe?

[garysdeskcom]

The first war with Iraq was with George Bush (lst George Bush president). He attacked Iraq as a way to keep Iraq from possessing Kuwait. He did that to secure oil sources. And many Americans approved of his war, because they wanted cheap oil.

The current president George Bush used human rights as an excuse to invade, when they could find no arms of mass destruction, which was supposed to be the reason for invading. George Bush mislead the American public about the arms of mass destruction.

[charlamain2209]

ahhh so the question is even though we were mislead and our heart may not have been in the right place are the people of Iraq better off with or without Saddam? You see you look for the bad in something you will find but if you look for the good in something you will find it as well.

[garysdeskcom]

Why not countries where there were and remain far worse human rights issues than in Iraq? The answer oil, nothing but oil. Why don't you advocate fighting every injustice in the world? There would never be peace. The reality is both George Bushes are men who are part of a culture of death. That is unfortunate but true. Is there a just war? Possibly, but political leaders often lie to try to make unjust economic wars seem like just wars.

[charlamain2209]

oh so because it's all about Oil we should just up and leave don't care about how we are leaving things for the future then your great grandchildren can come back and overthrow the next dictator.

[garysdeskcom]

Not all who support the war are pro-death. If I honestly thought Bush wanted the war to end the abuses in Iraq, I would feel different. That was not the first reason he gave. He seem to discover that reason later, when we learned there were no weapons of mass destruction. Almost every brutal war in the last 100 years has been defended by reasons that were not really true - more economic than based on principles. And that includes WW I and WW II.

[charlamain2209]

I am not pro-death just becuase I'm for the war. I just would rather we not have to go back again. I would love to see the troups come home but not imediately especially if those people would be at risk of falling to another dictator. Why, because who knows that dictator once he has Iraq might decide to bring the war to us before we go after them.

[garysdeskcom]

Let me repeat what I said, "Not all who support the war are pro-death." There were many places in much worse shape, and the US Government ignored those places. That leaves me feeling the Bush administration is pro-death, but that does not mean everybody who believes the war is just are pro-death.

[tonypiecuzpan]

Sorry. I was wound up from another video I saw that said that if you abort, you are a murderer.

[garysdeskcom]

I don't recall saying that, because I do not think I would use the word murderer to describe a person who had an abortion. My feeling is that most abortions are a result of women facing difficult situations, and making a decision they feel is best for them.

[garysdeskcom]

I reviewed my only other video on abortion. I did not hear the words kill, murder, or murderer. A fetus is a life form, but I would not call a person who had an abortion a killer or a murderer. I also would not say the fetus was killed. I believe that a fetus is a life form, but feel using such strong language wounds the woman and is not appropriate, needed or helpful.

[charlamain2209]

Whatever I don't care about your opinion about the stupid bush administration I'm done with the arguement because you are a crazy anti bush idiot!

[garysdeskcom]

George H. Bush who invaded Iraq had a very different reason for the war than George W. Bush who invaded Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. When you listen to my video, you can tell I am referring to the first. In my opinion, both men are pro-death, but the first man is the one about to whom this video refers. George W. Bush shows little respect for international law. He is not respected outside the US. Like him or not, he is strongly disliked outside the US and there is reason.

[tonypiecuzpan]

get to work and put your money where your mouth is. quite a task to obliterate pro choice. Until then, women will have the option of sexual freedom.

[garysdeskcom]

I am left scratching my head on this one. Did you listen to the video? I said nothing about women not being allowed to decide if they should have an abortion. I suspect you are responding to something you think I said that I never said.

Most people who say they are pro-life are not pro-life. That was the point of this video.

[littlerich]

Good response. You've given some thought to the issue, and it shows. Would that all the "prolifers" out there were as comprehensive in their perspective. Alas, too many are reactionaries to Roe vs Wade, without thinking of all the other legislation that hinders or harms life, and our quality of life...

Again, good job!!!!!

[garysdeskcom]

Thank you very much for your kind comments. Reactionary is a very good term for many pro-lifers. :-(

[stplf]

Great video, gary. Thank you.

[garysdeskcom]

Thanks for the kind remarks.

[ThankYouFairy]

so true!!! i always love your message!!

[garysdeskcom]

Thank you for your very kind remarks. :-D