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  • I'm miraculously pleasing anime girl....Marvelous Movie!!!Y0U must look at my risque video also :)

  • sasuke died??????????????????????????­?????????

  • no

    Go read teh manga

  • nnnnnnnnope stil kikkin ass

  • itachi could of no doubt held his own against pain maybe even killed him

  • no pein would have been too strong.. Itachi is verry verry strong... but not as strong as pein.. Pein has an eye technique surpassing of itachis

  • honestly when they finnaly do tell naruto's second element i am almost positive it will b water just think about it madara said he was basicly destined to be saskue's rival saskue has lighting and fire elements so far naruto has wind which deals with lightning, its only right he has water to deal with fire and his mother's element was water, then add those 2 elements with his sage/demon chakra i dont think saskue has a chance

  • i think danzo is tobi but tobi wears a mask which got madara power.

  • I have the same theory too. The reasons are several. Whenever Madara was pressent Danzo was not there. One eye sharingan( this is one of the reason Tobi wants sasuka to enable double mangekyuo Sharingan).

  • danzo got his eye from the kid itachi killed dont u listen or watch?

  • he is too old to be tobi

  • you obviously havnt listened either his body is fukd up from fighting the first he cant be hit he using TIME SPACE NINJUTSU which makes people believe he also transfered bodies

  • um no ur completely retarded tobi is madara as madara said but his body is weak therefore he can only use time space ninjustsu the only features about this madara that are different is that he has no marks on his mask and he hasnt got long hair anymore which makes people believe he is using obito's body hence the new name tobi which equals obito.... so fuck u u stupid fuck

  • Danzo is danzo, and stole lots of Eyes from the Itachi "masaccre" Tobi is inside Obito's body ( a jutsu much like orochimaru... which has made him live this long) Tobi is... MADARA UCHIHAA

  • dude i have the same manga exp no color but pictures ha

  • I have a feeling though that Kushina belongs to a clan that specializes on water techniques.

  • think so too

    its just natural for her

    because shes a "uzumaki" and she comes form the land of whirlpool (uzumaki)

  • There filler eps in the anime where naruto used a second element detection paper to find out what his #2 element was.

    It was water!

    I know filler is just filler, but i don't think they'd have just made up a second element for no reason.

  • hey how come i download the adobe flash player but i still ca't watch videos pls reply....tnx

  • I'm so happy i just found out that naruto shippuden is coming on the air it's on disney xd

    10/28/09 8:30 pm

  • wtf disney are u serious???? thats messed up

  • But I have read that Naruto shall get a kekkei genkai from his father. that what I have read Kishi has said. o.o

  • omfg imba naruto 2.0?

  • It would be cool if he got the thundergod step.... it was a tech so deadly that all shinobi from other nations were ordered to flee on sight if they even saw naruto's dad.

    i think it was basically a space/time sort of jutsu that he used to literally pop in front of you instantly... then hit you with a rasengan, and it couldn't be stopped... imagine that with some clones and a couple flying rasen shuriken and we have ourselves one bad ass main character.

  • Kisame can't die!

  • Alright so naruto the senju clan right

    so what do you think his keka genka would be

    sorry if I miss spelled any words.

  • is naruto actually a descendant of the senju clan? Maybe it was the translation i read but it seemed like madara just said he reminded him of the first hokage and that his rivalry with Sasuke was similar to madara/ the first hokage.

    I could be wrong but thats what i got from the translation that i read.

  • yep,

    i dont think he is from the senju clan

    he just has the "will of fire" of the senju clan

  • I doubt killer bee will lose to kisame but it will be hell of a fight. Like he already got his ass kicked by sasuke because of cheezy amaterasu; if he lose again; his worth in ninja war will be called into question. Like their is a limits to losing for the good guys. what will most likely happen is that they will fight to the death with kisame having upper hand and the advise of the singing martial artist will give killerbee the courage to turn it around and beat kisame.

  • kisame is gonna win but later lose to gai i think that would be good and i wanna see lee fight he hasnt fought at all nor neji

  • last time i check naruto doesnt any water type. and prob naruto has no kekkei genkai,

  • kekkei genkai is lava

  • Oh, and does anybody else think that danzou is probably going to be a focus in the next few chapters here pretty soon? I mean, did Kishi really just make him hokage for a a few weeks so he had a reason to send sasuke to the five kage's meeting? If so why go through the trouble of giving him the sharingan backstory and setting him up to be some kind of tough bad guy? And what about kabuto/orochimaru? Will Naruto ever master his water type? wth is his kekkei genkai? Lots of unanswered questions,,,

  • Naruto has no water-style, he's of wind.

  • I thought all shinobi had at least two elemental types and had to master them both in order to obtain Jounin rank.. i also seem to remember naruto's second elemental style being water... and jiraiya had him training with that one gayish frog to bring it out, then he tried training with the other frogs but i never saw if he got anything out of it.

  • No no.

    Not all shinobi have two elements, and you don't HAVE to have two or master two to be a Jounin.

    Asuma only has Wind, for example.

    And Naruto has never used Water-style in his life. Something you saw probably confused you.

    And that frog training thing was a filler, so ...

  • water? the hell did u get that from?

  • i don't think it was in the manga, but it was definitely in the anime... maybe just filler. It probly won't get followed up. But as for the message you sent me. Kisame is not stronger than Itachi was. itachi was beast... one of the strongest characters of all. I'm not saying i like the Ms Im just saying itachi was stronger than Kisame. Watch the anime or read the manga back a few chapters before they both run away from jiraiya for proof. Itachi tells kisame he would be useless against the J man.

  • don't jump the gun kisane might have justu which could fair up with the M.S tsuy, susano, amera believe or not

  • I am hoping Kisama dies in this arc. I want him DEAD. Hopefully Killer Bee will take him out. That would be nice. What do you guy's think?

  • I think that they should just kill madara,kisame,sasuke and let naruto know that he has family in the whirlpool village already lol

  • then there would be no story.... and we would like tht now would we

    wait....how does naruto have family in the whirlpool village?? is it from his moms side??

  • I thought that the whirlpool village was taken out ? Also I agree, except for the Sasuke being killed part.

  • how did u get this manga im only up 2 467 were i read them and there not going to show this manga for another week and not even in color.

  • hell yeah! Kisame owns!!

  • people who keep arguing about kisame having beast level chakras everybody i mean everybody except a few people have beast level ckakras especially everybody in akustki

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  • AWESOME MUSIC AT 1:15

  • new bleach and naruto chapter uploaded! no joke! naruto chapter 468 uploaded!!!

  • HELL YEAH! Kisame is back! Finally, shark man is gonna get a chance to shine with an amazing battle. There was something very special about him the first time I saw him and now well get to see what he is truly made out of. oh and by the way, I can't wait for Naruto to fight Sasuke. Naruto is gonna hand that emo kid his ass on a silver platter

  • kisame was always my fav, now we'll see whats soo great about him!!!!

  • whos stronger kisame or Itcha?

  • itachi owns all even kisame knows he cant beat itachi

  • Ha hell yeah man, Itachi kicks ass.

  • wow looks like kisame finally will show us his true powers

  • so basically besides pain...kisame was the strongest maybe stronger lol

  • Kisame was not nearly as strong as itachi... itachi was probably the strongest. When they ran from Jiraiya Itachi said something like the battle between jiraiya and i would be a draw, we would both die, and if kisame joined it wouldn't change that outcome... So itachi was the equal of jiraiya and kisame wasnt even strong enough to have an impact. Keep in mind also that pain said that if jiraiya knew his secret he'd have beaten him too... so that would obviously apply to itachi as well

  • Itachi was talking about every good ninja to not be underated, proof is Might Guy, who isn't the right top ninja like Akatsuki.

    Jiraiya, what we saw what he can do in battle with pain, isn't stronger then Itachi, whos potential we saw very clearly.

    But Kisame would be tought battle if he could weaker him enough with water style jutsu, really would like to see the battle..

  • jiraiya is stronger than itachi because i doubt itachi could have face a 6 path of pein considering god realm controls gravity like jiraiya did and last that long

  • I love the music!!

  • This battle its gonna be epic....cant wait!!!!

  • gunnz be a good fight in my opionion

    Reasons for why Bee will win

    He's sword ablilitys are awsome. seriously the speed is faster then shargian its self. And i want to know what element he use's because i reckons he has lighting armour :P think about it his brother taught him all the technequies he knows etc so yea... i think it'lll be pretty cool swords v sword :P

    Reason for Kisame

    Strong charka's en all 7 sword smen of the mist

    yea i cba to write up oh well

  • WELL. even if kisame has the capability at bijuu level bijuu is bijuu and kisame is still human(or..shark-man human..urm...) the end result HAS to be win for the bijuu eight tails. the hachibii..CMON MAN its the DEMONIC HACHIBI we are talking about here in collaboration with BEE the raikage's brother...urm...kisame is going to put up a decent fight i must feel but in the end yes.. the eight tails must win..for the dignity of the DEMONIC eight tails..

  • Hmm well my opinion on this is that Sasukra will tell something to Naruty that will either mess him up mentally or give him more will to achieve his goals. Sasuke is a good character,but always talks about hatred and darkness consuming his life...too emotional,but rather a good character. Sakura in the long run will kill herself,she must be traumatized from all this lol. Naruto will surely fight in the war,and thats how he gets captured most likely. He will be strong without Kyuubi too

  • hey anyone want to play with my boobs?

  • This will be epic!!

    I think it will be like this!!

    kisame will almost win killer bee but than naruto with others will find him and help!! kisame runs away and then killer be teach naruto how to control the tailed beast!! :D but thanks dude!! I subscribe u!! cuz I am wathcet all ur spoilers!! gj man

  • Bro sasuke went toe to toe with itachi itachi was stronger than kisame sasuke was effortlessly and miserably beaten by killer bee there's just no way he can do it by himself he's gonna need zetsu

  • um not to insult you in anyway but dude you are beyond wrong Itachi was like minutes away from being blind and he was dying of a disease he was just using will power and medicine to stay alive even madara said thif sasuke was fighting itachi at full power they wouldnt even be having a conversation

  • Remeber Itachi was holding back against sasuke and suffering from a disease plus gave part of his power to naruto in the forest. Madara even stated if itachi had been serious we wouldnt be havin this conversation.

  • learn english kid

  • I think you mean "punctuation" lol

  • lol sasuke did not go toe to toe with itachi he was never trying to win the fight and he was sick and we never seen him use his full power. and pluse kisame might stand a chance because he id take out the four tails beast by him self wit out a problem and remmber wen thay had made clones of kisame and itachi and the clones only had 30% of there power and guy and everybody elas had to go all out just to beat his clone.

  • actually he took out the 4 tailed beast with itachi. and deidara also took gai's team as well as kakashi's at the same time with nothing but a kunai in his mouth and still nearly killed them all sasuke however took out diedara single handely with chacrka and jutsu to spare ... still Sasuke took the worst beating of his life from Killer Bee Bee is above akatsutki standards kisame stands no chance on his own he's gonna need zetsu plus thier abilities and appearance compliment each

  • naw kisame did it by himself

  • kisame is the strongets..im just now realizing how cool he is.....the shark theme is fy and he has the greatest amount of chakra in akatsuki with nothing holding him back( like disease) plus his sword eats chackra meaning using beast power wont work unless u go all out

  • I was thinking something along the same lines, it'd probably be a good direction for the manga to go since it's clear now that the reason naruto has the kyuubi is to take advantage of it's power... (according to the fourth) and since the 1st necklace was destroyed it's about time for naruto to learn to control the kyuubi...

  • who is master sabu chan? kisame?

  • Master sabu is the guy bee went of to look for after escaping from sasuke battle. Bee said that sabu has something to do with "ENka" i think that is japanese folk song genre .....

  • I like 4:20 or 4:21......Naruto's thinking now. It's great he's trying to figure out a way to increase the duration of the Sage Mode. I think he should go back to the frogs for more training a study. I hope he develops some of Jaryia's defensive techniques.

  • kisame gonna lose i think

  • Most of the demons Madara Collected Are weak. For Example, Naruto defeated the full power of shukaku as a kid and not even as one tailed naruto. The Other demons were a breeze to capture too.

  • Technally when naruto was fighting it it was still gaining power, not at its fullest, besides, garra was controlling the sand, not the actually beast.

  • it's hard to really give naruto the credit for that when boss toad did most of the work, shukaku wasn't full strength, and all naruto really had to do was wake gaara up... oh and he did a tranformation jutsu.

  • surely hachibi will lose..

    then naruto gona be da last bijuu

  • why is'nt sakura dead yet? Kisame is going to fuck that hachibi obviously, straight out raw battle between those two, i can't wait to see that raikage get pissed again.

  • I ask myself that question everyday...

  • Hachibi vs Kisame, finally <3

  • the hachibi s the shark man interesting fight

  • Secondly Naruto dosent need any guards , he can take care of himself now ...

    I believe Itachi`s gift has something to do with how to control the Kyuubi, makes sense (Sharingan controlls bijuu, so maybe that is it)

  • I want the Kages to know how powerful Naruto is, lol he is stronger then all of them together, Sage Mode

    And now Sakura is going to fuck this up, not sure what Naruto will handle it, but Im pretty sure he will get pissed

  • After the Amount Of Times Naruto Has Nearly Killed Himself Over Sakura Is Just Stupid And She Keeps Bragging About How He Has To Bring Back Sasuke. I Would Have Beat Her Down Along Time Ago.

  • geez , she not keep bragging about how he has bring back :S she say to naruto that she promise she will bring back sasuke with naruto together, because she know how naruto feel to sasuke,she never hurt naruto, she always eat ramen with naruto, and talk and training with him and evrything is fine! also sakura hug naruto when she thank him..so im sure sakura is not going to do bad thing to naruto, never! she really care about him..

  • Hmm, I think the moon eye plan is going to work and that will be like the final showdown between....Naruto and Sasuke vs Madara and the Juubi. XXD Hmm, I wonder who will win with Kisame and Killer Bee though.

    Go Bee!

    Go Mr. Blue!

    You're both awesome!

  • i think now madara will put itachi eyes into sasuke eyes to make it infinite while hes knocked out. maybe he needed to awaken sushano to be able to transplant the eye n then gets a new jutsu called suck my ballsuno jutsu then sasgay uses that jutsu on madar n turns him madergay

  • sasuke will create new jutsu which called sasu tits.. and in the end of the chapter madara will reveal his real name, and known as mada fucker..

  • lol yeah thats probobly whats going to happen i love the jokes on this half of them are sexual its hilirous makes my day

  • i think hachibi will be caught. after all kisame has a large chakra reserve but fusion with the samehada that is to much also madara is strong. wh knows the power of the 7 bijuu. also naruto is in sennin mode now. he will be impossible to destroy, and now sakura shit about oh naruto u dont need to make my dream come true. i think sage of the six paths will come alive

  • lol... I WISH SAKURA WOULD LEAVE NARUTO AND NARUTO WOULD B WIT HINATA :( CUZ.... I LUV THE COUPLE LOL.. THTS ALL IM SAYING XD this chaper is a bad ass! :D

  • naruto hasnt responded to hinatas confession ...

    naruto loves sasuke!! OMFG LOL xD

  • ha ha omg thats true

  • If sakura was to tell naruto something else then "KILL SASUKE", I want her dead too.

  • true that

  • this chapter sounds bad ass!

  • Finally, Naruto is using his sennin mode again!!

  • no i think sasuke is going to become blind for sure and will fight against madara with naruto

  • hold on guys b4 we say that kisame is going to beat bee we might as well wait n c wat happens cuz this battle could turn out just like sasuke fight with bee or something happens and somebody ends up joinin the fight that wat I think

  • nope, the final battle will be between naruto and kabuto, naruto being the hokage and kabuto using the fused 1- 8 bijuus. sasuke will return to the village as the head of ANBU cause he will feel guilty in killing naruto and not attaining the mangekyou or another special power of the sharingan like itachi did when itachi killed shisui

  • dude it kinda sounds like ur getting into some fanfiction shit. All i gotta say to everyone u dont no wat the fuck is going 2 happen until it happens

  • yeah you're right, this all came to me in a dream

  • how do u know? >D

  • i know because i must know....

  • kakahi's lip will be revealed afer he revivies naruto and dies, naruo will rip a piece of his sleeve to cover up kakahi's lip while burying him. and naruto in the end will only learn two major jutsus, kagebunshin and rasengan with the wind element. or make it four with the rasensuriken and the senin mode

  • Again like i said before it sounds like ur getting into some fanfiction shit. I love series so id say just hold off on ur guesses. Because literally u dont no wats going 2 happen until it happens..... Unless somehow ur Kishimoto and then yea u do no wat the fuck is going 2 happen

  • relly? and yea how u know??? >D

  • i know because i must know....

  • the final enemy in the end will be kabuto using the fused 1 - 8 bijuu ti attack konoha, naruto will die trying to defend konoha with HUGE and i mean HUGE rasen shurikens to kill kabuto. leaving sakura a child. And the reason sasuke returned to the village is because he felt guilty in killing naruto in thier final battle and also not attaining the mangekyou sharingan after killing his bestfriend like his brother did

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  • I think kisame is gona beat bee and capture him leaving naruto as the last jinchurikin

  • Even though Kisame has large chakra reserves and can keep up with a jinchuuriki in power he is still at a disadvantage going up against killerbee 1) being the fact that he's probably the best at controlling his own and also the tailed beasts abilites.....and 2) its fucking water element against lightning so unless kisame starts using wind or some bullshit theres no way he's gonna defeat killerbee by strength alone

  • you guys don't get to excited kisame vs killerbee might not even show the full fight but i really am intersted becosue naruto can find sasuke easily now oh boy and what sakura has to say

  • no way kisame is takin down killer bee by himself  black zetsu is gonna have to step in and help

  • I wouldn't be so quick to make judgements. Choujiru said Kisame had the chakra levels of a jinchuriki which would make him very difficult to defeat. Gai was just barely able to defeat a clone of Kisame with only 30% of his actual power. Also if the past mangas are anything to judge this series is pretty much unpredictable.

  • Awesome coloring man!!! u'r d best!

  • long manga good one

  • Blue vs black, awesome!!!

  • Killer Bee is totally gonna kick Kisame's ass.

  • kismae vs killer bee fight epic. Naruto in sanin mode getting ready to kick sauske but. ready for these fights lets go.

  • i think this fight is going to be the best fight in the entire naruto shippuden series.........but that's just my opinion.

  • and about the best fight on shippuden i disagree i think it was pain against konoha(and naruto)

    BUT THE BEST FIGHT OF ALL SHIPUDEN WILL BE, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT

    NARUTO (SAGE MODE PERFECTION, FROG KATA AND UNIQUE STYLE JUSTSUS, JINCHURIKEN OF THE NINE TAILED)

    AND

    SASUKE (MASTER SKILLS ON LIGHTING NATURE CHAKRA MANIPULATION, MASTER ON SHARINGAN SECRET POWERS AS AMATERATSU, TSUKUYOMI AND GOD OF BATTLE SUSANOO)

    THAT WILL BE THE REAL DEAL OF BATTLES

  • It's all about preference, that's all......and about naruto vs sasuke, we wont see that battle for a long, long time. But you are right about that, and I'm sure the both of them are going to know more than that list when it does happens.

  • Nope the best fight in Shippuuden will be SASUKE VS ITACHI, i mean look at the new opening

  • I bet any one that Kisame own's

    killer bee. Also I bet that once Naruto

    find's out about the alliance with

    tha five nations he won't just sit

    around an hide. Also i got a feelin

    that some how Madara will have all

    the tailed beasts. Any one dear to

    disagree !

  • Kisame shouldn't get Bee this time. But they should fight in the middle of the battlefield between the bijuu and the five nations. Naruto should get his ass kicked and transported to the Akatsuki base and they should start to rip the Kyuubi out of him. Something goes wrong, the seal the fourth made would only let the Yang chakra of the kyuubi out but the Yin chakra would then take over and it would be a fight between Yin chakra Kyuubi and the Juubi, with only half of the Kyuubi chakra. there <XD

  • or something along the lines like that. I really don't know what I'm saying. IF THERE IS ACTUALLY "YIN" CHAKRA. WHERE THE HECK DID IT GO? I mean, Jiraiya said that the fourth only sealed the yang chakra into Naruto. so where is the Yin chakra now? is it in that key scroll the toad had that Jiraiya summoned through his mouth. don't know nothing right now. Naruto has become somewhat difficult to understand...

  • Yeh the Yin chakra is in the key scroll...it unleashes all of the foxes chakra and the only reason he didnt give naruto all the chakra is because naruto wouldnt be able to control it

  • Killer Bee VS Kisame. This should be interesting.

  • time for kisame to say good night

    in my opinion..killer bee vs kisame...will win killer bee,

    now, he is a formidable character, but he will die soon, it was time

    KISAME, ONE OF THE FIRST, ONE OF THE LAST STAND BY AKATSUKI MEMBERS...QUIT IMPRESIVE ITACHI OR DEIDARA DIE FIRST THAN HIM

  • I'll put money on Kisame, he's is going to wins hands down(its too obvious)

  • its realtive, both have bijuu chakra power and nether lighting nature of killer bee afect water nature of kisame, and viceversa,

    even the serie has like 400 episodes, we havnt seen to much of kisame, so ya, this would be interesting,

  • yes.....because we all know that water DOESNT conduct electricity........either i read wrong or you just dont know common sense

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  • indeed i know water conducts electricity m8

    but not in naruto, u will find out if u look somewere that things are quite diferent between water and lighting, see:

    *water

    stronger agnt fire, weak against earth

    * lighting strong agains earth, weak agains wind

    and so one

    fire strong against wind, weak against water

    earth strong against water, weak against lighting

    wind strong against lighting, weak against fire

    u will find its like that

  • Kisame is probably the strongest of the Akatsuki as of now, just like Yammy of the Espada in Bleach.

  • I really want Naruto to get his cape back. He looks cool with it on, along with the necklace.

  • I think the necklace is long gone since it shattered to pieces when he almost let the demon fox out.

    He does look cool with the cape and scroll though.

  • I know it's destroyed. I'm just saying he looks cool with it on. But I really want that cape back. Without anything that represents him as a Hokage, he's just a kid with an orange jumpsuit

  • i think its too long for one manga

  • Are you kidding? If onemanga can fit every One Piece page, it sure can fit this one.

  • SASUKE FTFW

  • that was awesome!!!

  • i dont get y every1 thinks sasuke is like the strongest character in the series practicly besides tobi

  • Lol actually right now about everyone hates sasuke. =/

  • yea no kiddin

  • LOL i think sasuke is one of the best characters for y opinion personaly

  • not just me, MANY think Sasuke is ONE of the best characters, only fags that dont know badass characters would say "Sasuke sucks, and that hes emo", if it werent 4 Sasuke, the manga and anime is FAIL

  • we like him but he's an emo

  • If there hadn't been Sasuke in the first place, you wouldn't know about him and thus you would love Naruto. Ha! cause he's an emo too, almost as bad as Sasuke.

  • Sasuke FTFW, i couldnt care about Naruto himself

  • You didn't read what I typed there did you. If Sasuke didn't exist in the series in the first place you wouldn't know about him. Can you truly say you wouldn't be watching the show at all? No, you can't. and If being emo intriques you, you would definitely be shouting Naruto FTW XDheh

  • oh well SASUKE FTFW

  • naruto already got over all of his other reasons for being emo.. the village acknowledged him, he has all sorts of friends, he's a probly next in line after kakashi for hokage... the only reason he's emo nowadays IS sasuke

    The whole story would be different and probably lame without sasuke.. i like the idea of making naruto's rival into a bad guy.. but make him into a freakin bad guy... not some sort of sob story self absorbed punk... Sasuke should've just gone nuts and evil like orochimaru

  • Naruto is finally growing some balls. Sasuke FTMFW

  • SASUKE FTFWW MAN, and ye but Naruto said from a FEW chapters ago that he wants to fight Sasuke for real back in the village, so maybe Sakura's words will make Naruto fight him, a FINAL battle, SASUKE FTMFW BEST CHARACTER FUCK YOU SASUKE HATERS

  • well thats 2 bad, cuz 2 me Sasuke is the BEST fuckin character in Naruto, ALL his fights are epic and badass, SASUKE FTFW

  • He was about to get his ass whooped by Mizukage before Zetsu & Madara intervened.

  • well,my friend,it looks like Naruto is just going to keep getting more and more and more interesting.I'M SOOOOO EXCITED FOR THE KILLER BEE VS KISAME FIGHT!!!!

  • yeah because they say he doesnt werk for techniques...either he's born with them or gets them from some1 else

  • ive been saying that too. im just glad that sasuke didnt even come close to beating 1 kage. shows that there are ninjas out there who dont need sharingan to be kick ass.

  • i think kisame is stronger than sasuke. sasukes got good moves but that doesnt mean your strongest.

  • Nope, I thnk Sasuke is stronger