Atheists! Fly hadith Christian Mockery Turns to Scientific Islamic Miracle

[yaqubali]

Disprove the research first stop being prejudice

[ZZzzzzzWhat]

lol, looks like the q'ran has the cure for all diseases, but waits for the infidels to find them so they can claim it's "written on the q'ran" on the first place, how convenient.

btw how does sperm originates from the backbones and the ribs and where do we find yellow cows?

[ilovladoo]

leave atheist they go astray

[1RothMan]

it is no suprise that flies have antibacterial agents. Pretty much all animals do, including your nemesis, the pig.

the problem for you, and the amusing thing for the rest of us, is that the hadith says that ON ONE WING, there is a disease, and ON THE OTHER, there is the cure for THAT specific disease.

this of course, is complete bullshit, and you make yourself appear to be a complete moron to suggest otherwise.

you dont know anything about science. dont pretend to

[robbegx]

1) He said 'swallow' in the part you showed, but later in the same video he reads the hadith and corrects himself, saying it's more likely he meant to throw it away (as it is not said in the hadith that he threw it away). Just shows how you get pissed off at a video and stop it midway and then cite the bad part. Good job on ignorance.

2) The website that shows the article is not a scientific website, it's the national broadcast website of Australia.

You're getting pretty good at Taqiyya.

[pamuk7]

@robbegx @robbegx your a moron, Abc t.v obtains and has a up to date, science plat form article that it obtains from there scientist net work. read the article it comes from scientist called: Ms Clark a scientist.

[robbegx]

@pamuk7 Yes, but that doesn't make it a scientific website. Next time chose better wording. Also answer the first part of my comment, or no remarks there?

Also, the article doesn't say anything about the wings, it's just the fly's surface. Furthermore, it shows that you can use the bacteria on the surface to make antibiotics, not that the bacteria themselves cure you. Nevermind that the bacteria on the one wing cure the disease on the other. Go drink some camel piss, it's good for you.

[pamuk7]

@robbegx donkey breath your western women are drinking: Premarin( horse urine for medicine..lol

So i guess the wings are not part of the flys surface> So i guess the a planes wing is not part of the surface of the plane, shit i have to study my English language again..lol The bacteria ant-dope killes bad bacteria hence it will kill the same bacteria that it comes in contact with i.e water cup.

[observ2do]

Everything in the Qura'an today is evidenced by science and scientists discoveries

Every day scientists discover new things in different specialties by complex and impossible ways that Supports the statement in the Quran? which descended 1400 years ago?

But you're in doubt ??? for the truth about Islam See! Science proves. the Qur'an can not be man-made?

Why do you fight the Truth?

[athanasiadis24]

@observ2do Save your time and energy.

[observ2do]

@athanasiadis24 Thank you for you'r "Precious" advice?



[BosKrajina]

@robbegx Taqiyya?? XD XD XD filthy christian crusader, the worst liars and deceivers are you westerners, showing it up exactly with this statement. This is taken from shia-sect and you thankfully use it to spread lies against Islam. There is no taqiyya in Islam, it is forbidden except your life is threatened, filthy lying crusader! We say it openly up into your face: Islam is going to free the whole world from opressors like you.

[baqazya]

Amazing

jazk Allah kerar

[pamuk7]

@evilyakko

I guess the science web site is lying about anti bacterial properties..lol

Quran

11:121 Say to those who do not believe: "Do what ever ye can: We shall do our part;

122 "And wait ye! We too shall wait."

33:64 Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers and prepared for them a Blazing Fire,-

Also:refuting pedo lies:watch?v=4nGLHR1f9KI

[MrHolmboe]

//And you have again completely ignored the medical reports: which i have to repeat 20 times, An article in Vol. 43 of the Rockefeller Foundation's Journal of Experimental Medicine (1927) p. 1037//

It's the same article which I used to refute u, don't remember? it's link is h t t p : / / jem.rupress.org/content/45/6/1­037.full.pdf which proves flies don't carry antidotes for cholera and u accepted it.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe which proves flies don't carry antidotes for cholera and u accepted it.

I never said i accepted it because the test was not done on humans beings. So false premise.

-the test must extract the whole fly, compounds then it must be swallowed and then we have to see if the human has over come the cholera or not. This would be more substantial evidence then to simply observe no reaction out side in a lab. This is false premise.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 //I never said i accepted it because the test was not done on humans beings. So false premise.//

If u think that's a false premise then HOW U USE THE SAME JOURNAL PAPER TO PROVE YOUR POINT AND AS U SAID, 20 TIMES? Your dishonesty is remarkable.

Next, no test is done on human beings if it fails in experimental animals. That's how drug testing is done!

[pamuk7]

So this is a false premise to use this against the hadith. We all know that humans have a stronger stability to fight germs then most animals. But you ignore this.

Next, no test is done on human beings if it fails in experimental animals. That's how drug testing is done!

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe

Me using the JOURNAL PAPER is not a false premise. The experiment is a false premise why?

-like i said: the fly;s anti-bacterial mechanism combined with the human good bacteria was not combined to fight or act as a defense against cholera. And the report does not indicate they extracted the crude extract.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 //like i said: the fly;s anti-bacterial mechanism combined with the human good bacteria was not combined to fight or act as a defense against cholera. And the report does not indicate they extracted the crude extract.//

So u said: the journal paper is Not false, but the experiment in Journal paper is false...and that paper which u proclaimed to prove your point !!!

Wow..Amazing liars u guys are....Caught red handed....shame on you....DISHONESTY is ingrained in you guys...

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe

response you see you cant help but misinterpreting my statements: I NEVER SAID the experiment was FALSE, it may be true. But the experiment has a false premise when trying to compare it with the hadith. I would like to see the experiment done:

1: with a human

2: the elements must be also combined with the humans defense system.

Experiment excluded all this so this is why i call it false premise.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe through the bacterium's cell wall, causing it to burst. The existence of similar bacteria-killing mechanisms in two bacteriophages suggests that antibiotics for human infections might be designed on the basis of these cell wall-destroying proteins. Science 292 (June 2001) p. 2326-2329.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe

here is more proof from the journal the supports my case: :) enjoy reading and burn in your fury:

These fly microbiota are bacteriophagic or "germ-eating". Bacteriophages are viruses of viruses. They attack viruses and bacteria. They can be selected and bred to kill specific organisms. The viruses infect a bacterium, replicate and fill the bacterial cell with new copies of the virus, and then break

[pamuk7]

i will any day, drink from the water the fly has fallen into, since the flys surface extracts both bad and good bacteria elements which then stabilizes the bad bacteria not having a major effect on my digestive system, and i also have the support of my own good bacteria agents which also act as a defense against the BAD bacteria minimizing and over time eventually being eliminated.. to no effect against my body.

[99SlaveofAllah99]

I was not aware of this hadith. I ve had a fly drop into my soup only once. I didnt press the fly in and i just took a spoon and threw the fly away. It is possible that i got the disease and not the cure, which is probably why i failed a few of my classes that year

I hope allah forgives me.

[pamuk7]

@99SlaveofAllah99 supananAllah..i hope Allah has given you the shifa anyway.

[captaindisguise]

you sound like Sami Zataari

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise Yes sami is a wonder champion in islam that has shook the foundations of atheists on youtube..lol

[captaindisguise]

what a sad video...please do not dip ur flies in ur drink. The hadith is a load of crap...you havent even read the article

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise

The hadith is a load of crap...you havent even read the article

Response: why do you suggest the science article does not support the hadith can you please explain?

[captaindisguise]

@pamuk7 i will,

be patient for two weeks pls, and i will upload a video about this topic and other scientific papers that muslims have misunderstood...i will let you know when the video is up

in the mean time, if a fly falls into ur drink, try to throw the fly away instead of dipping it

[ARMYofJESUSisISLAM]

@captaindisguise im not going anywhere why do you suggest im not patient? great i would like to see your video response, showing us that fly's do not carry anti-bacterial mechanism on the surface of the fly which is also part of the wing. As the Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) said.

wow.. so your going to disprove the scientific web site i gave great lets see...lol science vs science...lol

[captaindisguise]

@ARMYofJESUSisISLAM are you the same guy Pamuk ? thanks for the website, its more material for my video

i wasnt suggesting you were impatient, i was asking you to wait, thats all, sry abt the misunderstanding

lol and just to give u a hint, its not going to be "science vs science"...it will be muslim understanding vs science

[ARMYofJESUSisISLAM]

@captaindisguise i dont need to dip the fly into my drink, i can just go get another glass of water if i want. I dont live in the desserd like the prophet muhammed i have a home sink. But if i did run out of water yes i would dip the fly in and throw it out so i can attract the ani bacteria as the web site shows.

[ARMYofJESUSisISLAM]

@captaindisguise you can view more scientific articles taht prove our point. Its not just that web site: i will put space between eack letter to post link, when you re-post just close the spaces.

h t t p : / / w w w . a n s w e r i n g - c h r i s t i a n i t y . c o m / h a d i t h s _ o f _ t h e _ f l y . h t m

[ARMYofJESUSisISLAM]

@captaindisguise Article #4:

"Brazilian Journal of Microbiology

Print version ISSN 1517-8382

Braz. J. Microbiol. vol.39 no.2 São Paulo Apr./June 2008

doi: 10.1590/S1517-8382200800020003­5

VETERINARY MICROBIOLOGY

Antibacterial activities of multi drug resistant Myroides odoratimimus bacteria isolated from adult flesh flies (Diptera: Sarcophagidae) are independent of metallo beta-lactamase gene"

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise

Hence: Science has confirmed that the fly does indeed carry antidote, and it does have useful functions that the human-body could greatly benefit from, such as the soldiers who used flies' larvae to prevent bacterial infections.

Islam will continue to expose its amazing miracles not known at the time, and we will promote it even if the disbelievers hate the truth ameen.

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise Indeed, some military surgeons would deliberately infest wounds with blowfly maggots in order to prevent bacterial complications. Now, a century or two later, the search for new antibiotics had led researchers back to these early observations, and in this article, Gory Erdmann describes progress in understanding the antibacterial action of blowfly maggots.

PMID: 15462958 [PubMed]

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise spread in the bloodstream causing septicaemia and/or toxaemia. For example, wound contamination with Clostridium welchii - leading to 'gas gangrene' - was a frequent cause of death amongst battlefield casualties. It is from such situations that early observations were made on the beneficial effect of some blowfly larvae in limiting the bacterial infection of wounds.

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise Antibacterial action of Myiasis-causing flies.

Erdmann GR.

Department of Pharmacy Practice, College of Pharmacy, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA.

Some species of calliphorid blowflies lay their eggs in wounds; their larvae develop by feeding on the tissue, and the infection is known as myiasis or fly-strike. But wounds, from whatever cause, are frequently contaminated with bacteria - many o f which can

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise Point 3: Fly’s anti-dope protects the fly its self as well as the surrounding components it comes to contact with, since the anti-dope is extracted. So for example: if the fly falls in your water cup, and the fly has bacteria components which contaminate your water cup, the anti-dope also is extracted into what was contaminated eliminating the bacteria protecting both the fly and its surrounding areas.

This great example can be seen in:

[captaindisguise]

@pamuk7 anti DOPE lol

could you perhaps look up a paper tht says when you drop a fly into water , the bad stuff from it is canceled out by the good stuff from it. if you can do tht, this is indeed a miracle...IF NOT, then pls wait fr my video

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise I have already provided the scientific evidence it seems: that i have made you blind by the evidence: did you not read my posting about the military using blow flies, infesting there own wounds to prevent bacteria from infesting? The blow fly larvae has anti-bacterial mechanism.

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise drop a fly into water , the bad stuff from it is canceled out?

did you not read the report:

of anti-bacterial elements extracted from the fly?

Scientist Mrs clarke report:

The antibiotic material is extracted by drowning the flies in ethanol, then running the mixture through a filter to obtain the crude extract.

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise could you perhaps look up a paper tht says when you drop a fly into water , the bad stuff from it is canceled

Read:

"Drosophila males transfer antibacterial proteins from their accessory gland and ejaculatory duct to their mates Purchase the full-text article

Department of Molecular Biology and Genetics, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853, USA

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise you are deluded: you have misunderstood my statement: when i said eliminating bacteria what i meant was:

millitary soldiers when they infested fly larva on there wounds it was

beneficial effect of some blowfly larvae in limiting the bacterial infection of wounds.

which meant your bodies own Immune System system will then fight against any infection since the fly;s antibacterial agents limit the spreading of bacteria in a wound.

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise Antibacterial action of Myiasis-causing flies.

Erdmann GR.

Department of Pharmacy Practice, College of Pharmacy, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA.

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise the bad stuff from it is canceled out by the good stuff from it

response:

you are very deluded? what the hell does anti-bacterial properties mean to you? bad stuff?..lol

you are exposing yourself. keep going? i dont give a rats ass if you make a video go ahead and do what you want, im just here to further refute you.

[captaindisguise]

@pamuk7 ur refutations would be welcomed, ofcourse im not a qualified scientist either and i could make mistakes and if you point them out and give me enough reason, i will accept it

Hopefully i can make the video soon

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise NO just because the prophet mentioned the wings this doesn’t have to mean, other areas of the fly do not contain these elements. Hence the burden of proof is upon your shoulders looking at the scientific articles it does not mention the exact areas these elements both diesease and anti-dope is extracted from, but what it does mention is IT HAS THESE ELEMENTS which you conveniently ignore

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise You are the one who misinterprets the hadith why do u suggest its above the wings it may be between the the back and the bottom part of the wing. Do you have scientific evidence to suggest that the wings are excluded? From containing disease and anti dope elements? If so I would like to see the evidence. And

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise

It nice to see how you ignore the simple fact that muhammed mentioned it does have a anti bacterial mechanism? Now you want to argue that the wings do not have these elements and you claim its wrong?

[captaindisguise]

@pamuk7 i have replied to ur PM

[pamuk7]

Evidence: h t t p : / / j e m . r u p r e s s . o r g / c o n t e n t / 4 5 / 6 / 1 0 3 7 . f u l l. p d f

when flys were (given bacteria in the experiment) they were eliminated by the bacteriophages, they are good bacteria the kills and fights harmful bacteria agents.

so the prophet was 100% correct about the fly also has a cure for diseases and these agents can kill and eliminate BAD BACTERIA as the prophet said the fly has a cure for disease!

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 These are the following diseases caused by Houseflies: parasitic diseases: cysts of protozoa e.g. Entamoeba histolytica, Giardia lamblia and eggs of helminths e.g.: Ascaris lumbricoides, Trichuros trichura, Haemenolypes nana, Enterobius vermicularis.

bacterial diseases: typhoid, cholera, dysentery, pyogenic cocci, etc. House flies have been demonstrated to

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 continued....

 be vectors of Campylobacter and E. coli O157:H7 using PCR. House flies can be monitored for bacterial pathogens using filter paper spot cards and PCR

Viruses: enteroviruses: poliomyelitis, viral hepatitis (A & E)..etc.

So in order to prove your point you need to show that antidotes for all these diseases are available from the surface of the flies.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe i already provided the evidence bellow..that the fly bacterial agents kill off these bad agents. and i have provided the link. And if they dont do that then the fly doesnt have anti bacterial agents which then means the science Got it wrong...when it stated anti bacterial components on the surface do not exist as you suggest contradiction your science

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe the anti-dote is available to protect the fly from the science article i provided.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe what language do you speak does the fly have anti-dote yes or no?

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 I speak Engiish and flies don't have antidotes at their wings/surfaces. I read the article u provided, no where it says what your video claims. In simple words according to your video (mainly the verse at 3:59), if flies carry pathogens of say Hepatitis A, then it should also carry antidote of Hepatitis A in its wings/surface. If it carries for example cure for some skin infection, it doesn't solve the problem. Drinking the liquid will still make one get infected by Hepatitis A.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe I speak Engiish and flies don't have antidotes at their wings/surfaces

Ok you need to give me a scientific article that excludes the wings having anti-dotes. And i will pull down my video.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 Not only just wings, take the entire fly (including its internal organs) for your convenience, and even synthetic anti-biotics produced in research labs. The journal paper published from Libya which I mentioned (and there are 100s of similar scientific papers) states that houseflies carry multiple types of bacteria which cannot be killed by anti-biotics since these bacteria are resistant to anti-biotics.

So for ur hygiene n health, just throw away ur drink if it gets contaminated.

[pamuk7]

do not help the fly against these bad agents. Also, i never stated, that the anti-bacterial kills BAD bacteria it acts as a defense to minimize the spread that will kill the fly

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe @MrHolmboe states that houseflies carry multiple types of bacteria which cannot be killed by anti-biotics

response: so how do these flys then survive if there anti-bacterial agents do not work as you suggest from the Libyan report? show me the one article from the 100 articles that state the anti-bacterial agents on the fly

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe every person has bad bacteria in them, but our human bodies also have good bacteria that stabilizes the bad bacteria..hence you ignore that fact that fly do carrry these agents, which the Prophets stated it seems your in great denial and now you are stating that fly do not carry anti-bacterial agents so your denying even your own science articles.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 Please clear up your basic biology concepts. Is human physiology and housefly physiology the same? Let's start from the basics. According to you, a housefly can be infected with cholera or a mosquito can be infected with malaria bcoz of the pathogens they are carrying but there are antidotes present in them which prevents these disease in their bodies. I think this is exactly what your concept is, isn't it?

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe you said: which prevents these disease in their bodies.

response: This is not what we are saying sorry you have misunderstood, i never said flys can not be infected with these harmful agents in there bodies, although flys do carry anti-dote also in there bodies as well as surface. im specifically talking about the surface of the fly, which has anti-dots that protect the fly against bad agents minimizing and stabilizing the chances of getting serious infection

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 flies don't need antidotes for the 100s of pathogens they carry. These pathogens are deadly for we humans but not for flies. This is simply bcoz pathogens react with certain chemicals in human body and cause diseases. Also body temperature is a vital issue. Since flies don't have those chemicals which are present in humans, the pathogens don't pose any danger to them.

Buddy, I'm not a muslim, just a secular humanist. I don't want to see muslims following this idea and dying.

[pamuk7]

and no trace was left of them while a germ-devouring substance formed in the flies - bacteriophages. If a saline solution were to be obtained from these flies it would contain bacteriophages able to suppress four kinds of disease-inducing germs and to benefit immunity against four other kinds.

[pamuk7]

article in Vol. 43 of the Rockefeller Foundation's Journal of Experimental Medicine (1927) p. 1037 stated:

The flies were given some of the cultured microbes for certain diseases. After some time the germs died

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe Again you being very deceitful by making assumptions based on no proof:

read: you said:

flies don't need antidotes for the 100s of pathogens they carry. read this now:

There has long been evidence of bacterial pathogen-suppressing micro-organisms living in houseflies. An

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe infection of wounds. Indeed, some military surgeons would deliberately infest wounds with blowfly maggots in order to prevent bacterial complications. Now, a century or two later, the search for new antibiotics had led researchers back to these early observations, and in this article, Gory Erdmann describes progress in understanding the antibacterial action of blowfly maggots.

PMID: 15462958 [PubMed]

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe spread in the bloodstream causing septicaemia and/or toxaemia. For example, wound contamination with Clostridium welchii - leading to 'gas gangrene' - was a frequent cause of death amongst battlefield casualties. It is from such situations that early observations were made on the beneficial effect of some blowfly larvae in limiting the bacterial

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe Department of Pharmacy Practice, College of Pharmacy, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA.

Some species of calliphorid blowflies lay their eggs in wounds; their larvae develop by feeding on the tissue, and the infection is known as myiasis or fly-strike. But wounds, from whatever cause, are frequently contaminated with bacteria - many o f which can

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe

read the report you are very decietful to claim that these pythgons are deadly to humans when in fact they were helpful to combat human disease

Antibacterial action of Myiasis-causing flies.

Erdmann GR.

[pamuk7]

benefit from, such as the soldiers who used flies' larvae to prevent bacterial infections.

when something is preventing bacteria infection is that good stuff or bad?

(Department of Pharmacy Practice, College of Pharmacy, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA.)

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe Its very interesting that as a person you ignore the facts that the miracle is mentioned in the fly having a anti-dot how did the prophet know this you conveniently ignore this. Science has confirmed that the fly does indeed carry antidote, and it does have useful functions that the human-body could greatly

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe flies don't need antidotes for the 100s of pathogens they carry.

response: So you deny the Australian Science report: that states: the anti-dot on the flys surface helps the fly against the bad agents. if the fly did not have anti-dots it would not survive.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 I didn't deny anything. You didn't understand the stuff. I have already covered both of them. Do you know what antidote means? As the U. Minnesota report says that larva of flies prevent infection of a cut. Now is that an antidote? Is the infection produced by the fly? Moreover is the larva same as a housefly which can fly and fall in your drink? The Aus news report never said that flies have antidotes. If the microbes on flies could cure cholera,Hep-A, etc then it would be antidotes.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe

Evidence: h t t p : / / j e m . r u p r e s s . o r g / c o n t e n t / 4 5 / 6 / 1 0 3 7 . f u l l . p d f

(hence if the bacteriophages was dipped into water where there were bad bacteria it would be eliminated by the baceriophades!!..

Baceriophades are:A virus that infects and destroys bacterial cells.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe The flies were given some of the cultured microbes for certain diseases. After some time the germs died and no trace was left of them while a germ-devouring substance formed in the flies - bacteriophages. If a saline solution were to be obtained from these flies it would contain bacteriophages able to suppress four kinds of disease-inducing germs and to benefit immunity against four other kinds.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe There has long been evidence of bacterial pathogen-suppressing micro-organisms living in houseflies. An article in Vol. 43 of the Rockefeller Foundation's Journal of Experimental Medicine (1927) p. 1037 stated:

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe you are again a liar read the australian report which states:

However the larvae all showed antibacterial properties (except that of the Queensland fruit fly control).

also:

Such properties were present on the fly surface in all four species, although antibacterial properties occur in the gut as well. "You find activity in both places," said Ms Clarke.

rect..

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 before accusing me a liar, just tell me

what is meant by "antidote"? For example, if cholera is a disease produced by housefly, what will the antidote of cholera mean?

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe A remedy or other agent used to neutralize or counteract the effects of a poison.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 great...so according to this hadith, both poisons and their antidotes are present in wings of the housefly. Do u agree with me?

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe yes 100% agreed.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 great...We know houseflies causes many diseases, for example cholera, typhoid, Hep-A, Hep E, etc. So, this means that according to the Hadith, if the cholera is the poison (due to the bacterium vibrio cholerae) carried in one wing, the antidote of cholera should be on the other wing. Do u agree?

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe great...We know houseflies causes many diseases, for example cholera, typhoid, Hep-A, Hep E,

wait one minute i agree, that the fly does cause those disease if the fly does not leave its anti-dote properties at the same time that why the prophet said dip the hwole fly in, to get all of the properties.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe im not going to fall into your tricks by trying to manipulate and misrepresent the hadith. You have already done this once.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 I am nowhere tricking you. Be patient and if u can't understand read twice. Do u agree that according to the Hadith, cholera producing bacteria and its antidote are both present in the housefly wings? (The same should be true for all other pathogens). That's why u need to dip the entire fly to make the good bit negate the bad bit. Do u agree?

[pamuk7]

.

I havent looked into the study about the fly, not having anti-dote for colera which it also carries. But if you can show me that it has no den-fence against this and even if you do show it, it doesnt negate the fact that the fly bacteria mechnism kills most bacteria anyway.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 U are not answering me... I never said cholera is "produced" by the fly. I said that the bacteria causing cholera is "carried" by the fly. And if the Hadith is true, the antidote of cholera bacterium is present in the wings of the fly. Simply let me know if u agree or not.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe

One second: if i say to, that a herb in my garden has a cure for disease, does this mean it has a cure for every single disease the answer is no. So the hadith is generally speaking. This is my whole point which your ignoring. So even if you bring proof to show that the anti-dots on the fly has no effect to the cholera this still does not validate your point. but i still would like to see the study if you can provide it. thanx

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 I will show you in a bit. But first make things clear. U gave the analogy of a herb in ur garden has a cure for a disease not for all diseases. I 100% agree with u. The requirement of this verse is that if a disease A is carried by the fly, then its cure is also carried by the fly. The cure has to be specifically of disease A, not of a disease which the fly doesn't produce. Also we cannot say that the Hadith claims that the antidote is for all diseases in the world. Agree?

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe The requirement of this verse is that if a disease A is carried by the fly, then its cure is also carried by the fly. The hadith does not state explicitly if it has a disease for every disease. It just says it has a cure for disease. If the hadith stated it has a cure for ALL disease then this could be a contradiction. But im only saying this, if you can produce the evidence that i request.

[pamuk7]

and then it has made them very sick and contained poisoning. You need to specifically show this. I dont want a study to say, fly was dipped into cholera and then cholera still remained, that not evidence why? because the anti-dot job isn't always to kill the bad bacteria but acts as a defense from spreading for example..

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe I want to see the study: showing specifically this:

cholera is extracted from the fly's surface, also the anti dot is also extracted, mixed into water then it is consumed by a human being,

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 No one will do that study. No researcher will intentionally make a man fall sick (and research is done on mice/guinea pigs and not on human). After a medicine is 100% ready, then it is applied to humans.

Now the paper you showed as the evidence is: h t t p : / / j e m.rupress.org/content/45/6/103­7.full.pdf

In this paper, they crushed the 1000 entire flies. So all good bits are present from the entire body, not just wings.

Go to its Table IV, and see that the vibrio cholerae has no

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 contd..

inhibition on growth. Amongst the list of pathogens in the table, only vibrio cholerae (pathogen for cholera) is carried by housefly. So the chemicals extracted from houseflies have no resistance to it.

That's all.

[pamuk7]

cell defense system, together it will combat the cholera. So the study still does not really favor you. And like i said: it still doesnt contradict the hadith, since the hadith does not say it will kombat all diesease but rather has a cure for disease. 

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe Again: this is not a very good study why:

Point 1: it has not been practiced on humans, but pigs as you suggest or are you saying this study show no other creature intervention. Here is what i mean: maybe the anti-dote needs to work counter with the human

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 U are wrong. Please read the article. The experiment is done in the lab. The extract from the houseflies and vibrio cholerae are kept in a pipette and it was observed that there is no reaction. This means the housefly extract is UNABLE TO KILL CHOLERA bacterium. This simply shows that flies don't have antidotes for cholera or other disease it produces.

[pamuk7]

actually works inside the human body maybe it does act as a defense supported by the also by the bodies own Good bacteria.

you see your arguments is still in thin air, since you ignore the study which states:(hence if the bacteriophages was dipped into water where there were bad bacteria it would be eliminated by the baceriophades!!..

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe The experiment is done in the lab. The extract from the houseflies and vibrio cholerae are kept in a pipette and it was observed that there is no reaction.

response: can you show me that they simply also took the crude extract which is the anti-dote from the fly and there was no reaction? how come there was no reaction? because maybe it reacts inside of the human body. Also the case does not reveal if the tests

[pamuk7]

untill over time when the cure comes. which proves the fly doesnt solve everythig. So the hadith is generally speaking, just like my example of the plant tree, i may say there is a cure for disease, in the plant but it may not be a cure for everything: hence NO CONTRADICTION.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe And like i said: even if the fly anti-dot does not work for cholera it still does not contradict the miraculous statement of Prophet Muhammed, how did he know the fly has anti-bacterial properties to begin with was it a lucky guess he Got lucky right? you conveniently ignore those facts. The hadith does not state, every disease you know why? because the prophet also statement there will be diesase that have no cure,

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 Mohammed didn't say flies have antibaterial properties.. He said, FLIES carry (in their wings) BOTH DISEASES & their ANTIDOTES. Unfortunately, that's NOT the case. Some microbes extracted from the fly do act as antibiotics but for few SKIN INFECTIONS. And flies DON'T CARRY SKIN DISEASES. So the antibiotic argument is irrelevant. Also, one won't get a SKIN DISEASE from drinking a LIQUID in which fly falls.

U don't know the difference b/w GUINEA PIG and PIG, that explains all !

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe Mohammed didn't say flies have antibaterial properties.. He said, FLIES carry (in their wings) BOTH DISEASES & their ANTIDOTES. Unfortunately, that's NOT the case.

Response: so according to your: a CURE for disease has nothing to do with ( antibaterial properties or ANTIDOTES) gggg...i ask you what language do you speak?

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe Some microbes extracted from the fly do act as antibiotics but for few SKIN INFECTIONS.

response: thank you for admitting the [prophet was correct about fly having cure for skin infections.

And you have again completely ignored the medical reports: which i have to repeat 20 times, An article in Vol. 43 of the Rockefeller Foundation's Journal of Experimental Medicine (1927) p. 1037

which state, many bad bacteria was eliminated by the flyanti-bacterial compounds

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe

U don't know the difference b/w GUINEA PIG and PIG, that explains all !

response: i read pig.

further response": if i say my disease has been cured by using anti-dot like anti-venom from a spider this has no relationship with the word cure. THAT ALSO EXPLAINS ALOT i.e(IGNORANCE or just play dumb.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 //response: thank you for admitting the [prophet was correct about fly having cure for skin infections.//

1) Is that what is said in the hadith? NO

2) Can one get the skin infections from drinking liquid in which flies fall? NO.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe 1) Is that what is said in the hadith? NO

response: yes the hadith does say it has a cure. STOP lies.

2) Can one get the skin infections from drinking liquid in which flies fall? NO.

response: yes they can, if you drink water and it drips bellow the lips there is skin..lol

its funny how your stubbin to argue everything to no avail. you have been debunked on every point, you are fruitless

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 //response: yes the hadith does say it has a cure. STOP lies//

First learn how to write grammatically correct english. Next quote the hadith and show where the hadith says that there are cures for skin infections in the flies.

//yes they can, if you drink water and it drips bellow the lips there is skin..lol//

Sorry, doesn't work.

//you have been debunked on every point//

That's ur miserable opinion.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe show where the hadith says that there are cures for skin infections in the flies.

Response: Are you serious? when the hadith states there are (cure for disease) this according to you does not involve skin disease..lol

Seriously this proves you have lost the debate badly, that you are now trying to find any point to win cheap points again to no avail. Your like a little kid.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 //Seriously this proves you have lost the debate badly, that you are now trying to find any point to win cheap points again to no avail. Your like a little kid.//

I know who is a little kid. U r not the first muslim in youtube who is debating. There are 1000s and they use same policy. Al-Takiya !!! I hv shown u evidence from ur own cited article that flies don't carry the antidotes for diseases they produce. So it refutes the verse.

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe shown u evidence from ur own cited article that flies don't carry the antidotes for diseases they produce. So it refutes the verse.

response: al-takiya is not done by atheits they do intentional lies which is worse for no reason but for deceit: the journal clearly states: germs have been eliminated and fly do carry anti bacterial compounds but you cant help the lies. Even the australian report states this fact: that the ant-bacterial properties are extracted. But this is lie.lol

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe we know the human defense system is to no comparison to the defense system of a pig. you know that.

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 U don't even know that guinea pig is NOT a PIG !!!! Man, It's a rodent !!!!!

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe big deal a rodent isnt a human being so bad comparison

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe cholera is not produced by the fly. The hadith says the fly contains disease this doesnt mean the defense is against every single disease. The fly could pick up aids viruses for example, this doesnt mean the fly has a cure for aids virus, we are speaking generally for what the fly carries

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 I have made my point clear many times but it seems you are not going to listen. Please remember that you can be responsible for the death of many people (Muslims). My duty was to notify you, and I did as much as I could. The decision is yours. I am not going to argue with u any longer. Take Care.

[pamuk7]

that are transferred from its surface into liquid mixed also with the good bacteria actually do poision or make a person sick. Until you can show this report the video will remain uploaded. I already know that many pathogens can be very deadly to humans I agree to this, but you need to show the ones that come from the surface of the fly, mixed in liquid such as water, with the rest of the fly;s antidope, still makes one sick, and I don’t mean a direct transfer of pathogens

[pamuk7]

You have conviently or I should say ignorantly ignored the bacteria transfers on both side. We all know that for example, that a mosquito can bite into a hiv carryer, although the insect is not effected by it nor could it transfer the hiv from human to human, similarly you need to show us from the Libyan report that pathogens ,

[pamuk7]

@MrHolmboe Also: i want to add to my refutation about the libeyian report that you suggested which shows many forms of bacteria do not get destroyed even by penicillin let alone the anti-dot on the fly. And you stated that these pathogens can be deadly to humans but not to fly etc etc..

[MrHolmboe]

@pamuk7 An article in Annals of Tropical Medicine and Parasitology by Muslim Scientists from Libya:

"Carriage by the housefly (Musca domestica) of multiple-antibiotic-resistant bacteria that are potentially pathogenic to humans, in hospital and other urban environments in Misurata, Libya", 2005

So other than the commonly known dangerous pathogens that I hv listed, houseflies even carry "multiple antibiotic resistant bacteria". So u can guess what will happen if ur drink gets contaminated.

[pamuk7]

The flies were given some of the cultured microbes for certain diseases. After some time the germs died and no trace was left of them while a germ-devouring substance formed in the flies - bacteriophages. If a saline solution were to be obtained from these flies it would contain bacteriophages able to suppress four kinds of disease-inducing germs and to benefit immunity against four other kinds.

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise allahu akabr..lol read:

There has long been evidence of bacterial pathogen-suppressing micro-organisms living in houseflies. An article in Vol. 43 of the Rockefeller Foundation's Journal of Experimental Medicine (1927) p. 1037 stated:

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise

the bad stuff from it is canceled out by the good stuff from it

Science has confirmed that the fly does indeed carry antidote, and it does have useful functions that the human-body could greatly benefit from, such as the soldiers who used flies' larvae to prevent bacterial infections.

when something is preventing bacteria infection is that good stuff or bad?

(Department of Pharmacy Practice, College of Pharmacy, University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, MN 55455, USA.)

[captaindisguise]

@pamuk7 sry, i didnt realize u had responded,

Anyway, this will be my last response till I upload my video, im gonna need a bit more time bcuz i am also including other scientific articles that muslims misunderstand and/or distort

In the mean time, i think that you have got a wrong understanding of ur hadith.

If the hadith was true, here is what we should find, a fly that carries typhoid or fecal material in one wing should also have its specific antidotes in the other wrong...

[99SlaveofAllah99]

@captaindisguise hey you lying atheist, the brother has given you scientific proof that flies have cures for their diseases. Are you blind.

Subhanallah,Allah has all the knowledge. He also gave our prophet some knowledge. And now modern science is accepting this knowledge that muslims knew 1400 years ago

[pamuk7]

@captaindisguise

I fail to understand why you would think Muslims misinterpreted a clear statement fact.

Point 1: Prophet muhammed mentioned-fly’s have cure for disease located on the fly.(which is a miracle in its self which you ignore)

Point 2: Science also proves this fact.

[HIMAZZZ1991]

keep up the gd work bro !!!

[okuma0kuma]

for all men that believe all creatures are created for him ,may they let the mosquito feast upon them so that the mosquito may protect him ! that's logical i guess .....

[IslamResponses]

watch this video as well brother:

watch?v=6JA_hAfuFfk

i made it 2 years ago to expose this idiot . i have an audio for his high priest (Bishoy ) says: if a fly felt down in the wine( or the blood of Jesus) as he believes then the priest has to drink it!!!

not only that but i have also provided many disgusting verses from the bible talking about: eating donkey's head , eating their excrement with a bread etc.

the prophet did not oblige us to drink the drink if a fly felt in it,

[IslamResponses]

but he gave us a solution, if we do not have food other that the one which a fly felt down in it, then we can dip it and remove it. the prophet refused to eat a big Lizard , till today many people in Saudi Arabia eat it .

would you mind brother, if i take your video and re upload it on anther account i dedicate to refute christian-monkey .

Jazak Allah khair and happy Eid insha Allah.

[pamuk7]

@IslamResponses inshAllah. Go ahead do as you please you can edit it if you like. We are all one dawah team.

[TXHalabi]

hahahahahahaha

[NEFTALI1984]

islam is a satanic religion

[pamuk7]

(Investigoatislam) the clown claims: When Muslims are orded to dip the rest of the fly in there drinks once landed, means Muslim eat flies.? Question: if i dip a tea bad in to a glass of tea? does this mean im going to eat the tea bag? ...LOL

[pamuk7]

@DuckingNDiving You Potatoes Brain. Read the scientific western web site and see for yourself flies do indeed carry a anti-bacterial ant-dope on its surface. Are you now denying established scientific facts, or just playing dumb dog shit that you are?

[thencounter79]

subhanallah, may Allah reward you brother, may Allah guide all non muslims to find the truth of Islam , aameen, aameen, aameen.

[LoveAllahMost]

Awesome, Praise be to God. JazakAllah! Everyone make duah for me too, iA.

Read this Qur'anic verse:

Say [O Prophet]: "If you love God follow me [and] God will love you and forgive you your sins; for God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace." (The Qur'an 3:31)

[superstardon01]

love the accent...sounds amazing :D

[superstardon01]

LOVE the accent! sounds amazing :D

[superstardon01]

LOVE the accent!

[mizanaa]

Amazing 

[0ptimusbibIe]

Australian ?

[muslim610]

Good video bro, Ramadan Mubarak.

[pamuk7]

@muslim610 barekAllah and Ramadan Mubark to you all. Ameen.