StarCraft 2 - Crota - August (T) vs Scar (P) On Delta Quadrant Part 1 of 2

[MrThesc2addictive]

ive gotta buy this game!!!!!!!

[MrThesc2addictive]

ive to buy this game

simply...perfect XD

[inanoha]

To people who suggested Collosi: Collosi takes a while to build as it's on the higher end of the tech tree and is not so useful against a stimpacted Terran army until its range is researched. Considering how most Terrans opt for bio heavy army accommodated with Medivacs, it's easy to assume he has a reactor on the Starport. The tech switch to Vikings does not take very long and those Vikings can easily snipe Collosi as they have better advantage on positioning. Collosi is very risky play in TvP.

[Machdude]

Range can be simultaneously researched while your Colossi are building. It's one of the things that you definitely get when you invest in Colossi. Really he should have done it the moment he knew his opponent was going MMM. And what were you going to suggest against MMM? Psi Storm? That's just as high on the tech tree. If he was going to go for Vikings to fight the Colossi, it should be noted that Stalkers are readily available as a counter.

[inanoha]

@Machdude

You are right about psi storms being as tech heavy but HT do build faster if you were to lose them. Also the AOE and DMG is much higher in respect. We can also mention that feedback can be used to snipe drops as well. Either option are viable depending on map. I guess it's just my preference as a toss player.

[TheK1ngdom]

My computer cant handle this. Not enuf ram.

:(

[virusavatar]

Oh wow... I couldn't expect that terran would win another game! His clever and intuitive usage of this never before seen strategy was amazing! I have never seen such amazing play in my life! It's like he was winning on skill instead of stim-attack-move-rape-everythi­ng!

Wow Crota, please cast more terran games! I love to see every single freaking terran game go MMM into siege tank and win! Who needs micro when you have medivacs and concussive shells and can click on the strongest unit to kill!

[radagastthe3rd]

seriously terran are OP. There is no way that the mirauders should have been able to take out all of the stalkers that blinked up to the high ground.

[SumerianScientist1]

@radagastthe3rd It's called poor micro, not terran op. Stop complaining about a problem that only affects tvz. And you apparently didn't see that more were dropped for reinforcement. You seem like you are the kind of person that blames the game every time you lose, instead of taking the responsibility.

[radagastthe3rd]

@SumerianScientist1 google the top 200 SC2 players buddy. Almost half of them are terran. Sometimes the terran legtimimately wins but sometimes it is an even game except for inballance. If you bothered reading Blizzard's recent release they mentioned a lot of changes for terran, especially nerfs for BCs and siege tanks as well as a reaper build time nerf. Protoss are nerfing zealots and warpgates. zerg nerf ultralisks. Obviously most fixes apply to terran. Go do your research.

[SumerianScientist1]

@radagastthe3rd And what is the other half? In the top 20 there are 8 terran and 9 protoss, with only 3 zerg. I am aware of the up coming nerfs, and the fact that terran has a few more than the rest does not mean that it made them op verse protoss. Stop crying about stupid things like terran op, especially since it really only affected high level zerg players. NOT PROTOSS!

[radagastthe3rd]

@SumerianScientist1 most of the nerfs are aiding the protoss zealots. Zealots used to melt to reapers and siege tanks but are now getting stronger. It just takes longer to get zealots. This means that Protoss are getting stronger vs terran. I wonder why. It's not like the terran are getting buffs vs protoss.

[SumerianScientist1]

@radagastthe3rd I have never heard or seen a single high level player ever make the claim that terran was op against toss. Reapers did not ever "melt" Zealots, and it is not like the toss are getting any thing buffed vs toss. I was and always will be a balanced match up.

[radagastthe3rd]

@radagastthe3rd PvT is my own personal opinion but I think that this patch will help protoss against terran. I agree that this is more my personal opinion than a widely accepted fact.

[radagastthe3rd]

Crota if a pylon dies while it is warping in some units (in this case a sentry and a stalker) then you get most of the minerals/gas back. You don't just lose the resources. This is also true if a tech building is destroyed when it is researching something. You get most of your money back.

[Council13]

@DoCKathos Eh, it was worth a shot

[Ectonym]

loving this replay so far! big smiles, me pleased!

[assassinscv]

lol Thorplay 

[zach630z]

Crota got so excited when the Mothership started warping in, haha. =]

[schmitty9800]

@Kei1roStudios I like the predictions. It helps me get into the shoes of the players and what they're probably thinking. .

[Council13]

DoCKathos = jealous rival shoutcaster who is not as popular as Crota

[DoCKathos]

@Council13 I don't shoutcast. Nice try though?

[lancre48]

Crota is shoutcast style, not commentary style. Deal with it.

[lenghibao]

Crota, on your later videos, can you please put on the team tag for the players? But if that makes the name limit so it's fine if u cant do it though.

[Kei1roStudios]

Crota, a few things.

-Turn up your mic volume, and game volume.

-Slow down. You don't need to try talking so fast. We prefer quality over quantity, so instead of talking really fast and getting many things wrong/ stumbling on your words, slow down and think for a moment.

Also, try to cut down on the predictions.

[purplepigeons]

@Kei1roStudios YO shut your mouth. If youre going to criticize why not also say something positive as well. Crota is an awesome castor why dont you just appreciate that he does it at all. GJ CROTA!

[Kei1roStudios]

@purplepigeons

Exactly, hence why I prefer Crota over Husky or HD. I wish for him to be one of the best of the best. However to do that, he needs to receive criticism and comments.

He said he says that he is still practicing and is welcoming any constructive criticism. Hence me helping him as viewer on things which irritate us.

So instead of just flaunting Crota with suckup comments, appreciate what he does, and criticize on what he can improve on to help him become better.

[Machdude]

In all preference, I actually like his fast rate of talking, it lets him express his quirk. I chuckled heavily on the "guardian shields to protect the intensity of the flavors" moment and I expect more from him. XD

He goes in depth on the units too and it certainly gives you a sense of how crazy the game could actually get. It's just his style, bro.

[Kei1roStudios]

@purplepigeons

Also he already understands that we appreciate his work by being a subscriber.

[DoCKathos]

@Kei1roStudios My thoughts exactly. Volume isn't an issue, but the predictions and constant fumbled speech make him sound like a sped.

[Jonasfixethereal]

Your new micro lvl is low. I can't ear very well 

[firestarultra]

FYI they don't get "Taken down" when you lose power while warping people in. They get their money back. The only thing the toss lost was his warpgate cooldown.

[Tsenister]

@DoCKathos

you are right especially when he says hes trying to catch up in probes cos of chrono boost... wtf does he think mules are for then?

[purplepigeons]

@DoCKathos Are you retarded? Play him and see how good he is. And how the hell is immortals good against infantry? Storm and Colussus. FOOL. GJ CROTA!

[DoCKathos]

@purplepigeons Are you retarded? See how many immortals the terran was using? Immortals dominate marauders if he's got even a couple they even the field. He should have used a few more immortals and a few less stalkers, if you didn't notice marauders shred stalkers. Crota fucking sucks at life.

[Aedus14]

@DoCKathos Quit being such a fucking simpleton. The reason Crota didn't agree with the Robo Fac is because Marauders can be handled just fine with Warp Gate units by high level players. He just needed more Zealots. Nobody masses Immortals. And how you can disagree that it's better to knock the rocks down than do long distance mining? Go get your brain checked.

Marauders on the field? I WILL GO 3 ROBO FAC IMMORTALS. *knee jerk reaction

Stupid people have the answer to everything.

[DoCKathos]

@Aedus14 Holy shit people are dumb as hell. Storm is not very strong against massed marauders, and a couple early immortals do a lot of damage to a marauder heavy terran army. A terran with good micro will just stim and kite the shit out of your useless zealots. I never said it was a bad idea to knock the rocks, but he obviously didn't want to spare the units to go kill the rocks. If the terran scans and scouts at the right time he has how many units out of position? Fucking dumb kids.

[Aedus14]

@DoCKathos The comments sections of SC videos has had enough of dumbasses like you who think they're better than pro-gamers or commentators because they can point out obvious unit counters with vision of both players.

What if August transitioned to more Marines instead of Marauders? A likely scenario here considering the fact that Scar was getting air. What the fuck are Immortals going to help with? He didn't even use the Robo for anything else.

You have a serious case of tunnel-vision.

[DoCKathos]

@Aedus14 I never said I was better than the pro players that any of these casters cast lol. Where do you get these accusations from? He SAW that he had a bulk of marauders, several times. Zlots are still going to be needed and if he switches to more rines, then the zealots he should be building the whole time will tear the marines apart. I didn't say once he should mass immortals, I said a few would make a big difference instead of the 2 stalkers equivalent cost. What a dumb kid you are.

[Aedus14]

@DoCKathos No. You can still do just fine with building more Zealots and/or Sentries than getting an expensive Robo Fac, especially when you're not pushing out. Every good Protoss player can handle Marauders without Immortals. You claim the Marauders will kite the shit out of his Zealots ignoring the fact that the only place the battle was taking was by his ramp and by his expo. No room to kite there dumbass. And I never suggested using HTs either.

Good luck with logic & critical thinking.

[DoCKathos]

@Aedus14 Right because that worked so well for him, I never knew zlots could charge up cliffs. 1 Immortal is the equivalent cost of 2 stalkers and against marauders is infinitely more effective making the investment well worth it. What good are more zealots if they're clumped up in a ramp, shooting fish in a barrel much? You're a bad player, just accept it.

'What if he transitions into more marines?' HT kill rines very well, they're also a nice counter to the roaming medivacs with good placement

[Aedus14]

@DoCKathos Since Crota was supposed to know that four minutes later the guy would cliff him with Marauders right? Marauders do less DPS than Marines - any equivalent Zealot/Stalker army can handle them fine anywhere else. And yes, the top of the ramp is actually a good spot to trap Marauders. FF the ramp and they have nowhere to go.

"HT kill rines very well"

what the fuck? You were advocating robo play and immortals, not HTs, dumbass.

"You're a bad player, just accept it."

1v1 any time.

[DoCKathos]

@Aedus14 Lol, so when I say he can build a couple Immortals with the marauder heavy composition terran is using, I'm a fuckin idiot. But when you counter my argument with what the terran can do and I counter your counter (which is what you just did), I'm still a fuckin idiot? Good to know when you don't actually have a point you just make yourself look even more stupid than you already are.

Clearly the smart terran will also dive up a ramp, when he knows the P is using sentry. Clearly.

Bad kid.

[Aedus14]

@DoCKathos I asked you what a Robo Fac would do if he transitioned to Marines. You answered with "use HTs". You cannot get both Robo Fac and a Temp. Archives. Pro-gamers have to cut expensive tech buildings such as Robo Facs all the time, which is why Crota didn't agree with the toss player's knee-jerk reaction in getting it. If you disagree, it's because you know dick about optimization and meta-game. Bye.

[DoCKathos]

@Aedus14 Crota disagrees because he's a fuckin moron and a bad player, he makes stupid comments like that all the time and all his dumb little predictions make his casting even worse. You disagree because you're also a moron and are probably a pretty bad protoss player because you're going to use units against a composition that counters you and spends less money to do it. You get proven wrong by another person and still can't accept it? You're bad, that's really all there is to it. You are bad.

[Aedus14]

@DoCKathos Man, I was looking for your approval. I really was. ;[

Unfortunately "I suck real bad and and get the shit kited out of my units whenever I play against Terran" is not a valid argument for your position. I can handle Marauder comps just fine with T1.5 Warp Gate units.

And again, 1v1 any time. Maybe I'll drop down to gold/silver league and pay you a visit, ya dumb fuck.

[DoCKathos]

@Aedus14 Grats on spending excess amount of money to kill cheaper units.

When you actually make it up to Diamond league maybe you'll understand the game better. Such a scrub. I'm done wasting my time with you... Proven wrong by multiple people and still can't accept it.

[Machdude]

Given time and resources, both can be used together. BUT, HT are more expensive even if you just make a few and it would have the Terrans transition into Ghosts for EMP.

And you aren't thinking of the big picture, The Marauders may not be able to push in, but they can lock you inside your base with their turtling. Fat chance on trying to build units without resources. Sure you can unload some HT, but with their slow speed, a few cloaked ghosts can EMP the lot and walk away Scot-free.

[DoCKathos]

@Machdude Yes indeed, and after a point I would have to say that both are usually necessary. To be fair though now that I take a look back on this game I think a lot of his problem was the fact that he was trying to make the mothership useful and personally I despise the MS. He did end up throwing a lot of money into that tech and I don't think he could effectively fight the terran because of it. Carriers may have actually been a nice surprised, 2-3 of them may have torn his army up.

[Machdude]

The MS vortex ability could have probably been useful if you were going for a base raid and wanted to keep the siege tanks and marauders off while your units do the dirty work. One does wish the Arbiter was still around though, its field ability not only locked units out of battle but it also created physical obstructions for enemies to bypass. It was an awesome unit if not for the goddamn gas requirement.

[Machdude]

Crota isn't bad per se, he is primarily a Terran player (like most people) and only recently picked up the Protoss. His actual skills is about level with a lot of enthusiasts although he certainly is not qualified for the big leagues like Whitera.

His predictions are fine, not everyone is perfect.

[DoCKathos]

@Machdude Haha you're quite diplomatic =p I personally don't like the predictions because it's just not something I want to hear as I don't feel it really adds anything to the commentary, to each their own I know some people like it. He picks good matches usually and half the time I watch them muted because I find him annoying, but at the same time watching a replay muted is kind of a drag. I just really dislike his commentating, I know people make mistakes but he tends to be too much for me.

[Machdude]

Doc has the point on this one although I would say that he is a bit too vulgar about it. However, the Robotics Facility does not just produce Immortals, a couple of Colossi would have done the job if you have an observer. Extended Thermal Lance combined with the Observer is unbelievably effective against Marauders and if you back them up with Phoenixes or Stalkers, those Medivacs will have a hard time trying to kill them.

[Aedus14]

@Machdude Yes, Colossi would have "done the job" just fine. So why didn't he get them? It's too expensive. You can't just get whatever sounds good in a real game. Sometimes you have to cut expensive tech buildings like a robo fac.

[Machdude]

So sending out and wasting an army of Stalkers and Sentries is fair game? A group of stalkers (I'd say 10) costs 1250 minerals and 500 gas. Gas tends to not be used heavily for an infantry army so he would definitely have an abundance of it. For that many minerals, you would have 4 colossi who would mow down those Marauders like grass. If you had any micro skill, those 4 Colossi can last a fairly long time if you use their ledge hopping ability, much more cost effective in the long run.

[DoCKathos]

@Machdude Glad to see that somebody actually knows what they're talking about!

[DoCKathos]

@Aedus14 You're obviously a bad and/or misinformed player because everything you have pointed out and all the points you have over exaggerated aren't doing anything to make your point, you're just another retarded kid that thinks he knows what he's talking about. Go play the game, then come back and start talking any kind of strategy until then you're a waste of time with your obvious lack of SC2 knowledge.

[firestarultra]

Man i really wish your mic was loader. In order to hear you (and i wear headphones) my girlfriend made me go deaf with IM dings.

[firestarultra]

@firestarultra Louder* even

[mrheadagainstwall]

get ur mojo up

<3

[theperv584]

Volume a bit low...

[Zaccheus88]

Crota, just to note if you didn't know: when a pylon is destroyed while warping in units their cost is refunded, but the warp gate will start it's cooldown.

[eric0095]

I think the volume is fine...

Appreciate the casts Crota. Keep it up :)

[hyperaktive86]

turn up the volume plz

[Michael94546]

CROTA TURN YOUR VOLUME UP!

[vivid1valor]

idk if you get this a lot if you do then im sorry to repeat. i love your cast's you have a great style but i can never get you loud enough. So if you could find some way to turn it up a bit thatd be great besides that good stuff

[dalvarox27]

man what happen with all the comments??

[alrachy]

WOA

[lokiflash]

awsome awsome game. gj crota

[stalin666666]

stupid marauder! LOL

[RobLoach]

Fucking EPIC!

[drizztforce99]

I be lovin' peppy(H)

[beotchass]

@ CYZ980313 weRRa is a team

[cyz980313]

is weRRa a team or something? so many koreans have that name