I agree. Greek philosophers have been trying to answer the question of who/what created us. If we keep saying "who/what created the creation?" over and over, we would come up with the most ridiculous explanations. Biblical Christianity proposes that the universe begins and ends with God, who transcends time and space
...This video only scratches the surface of the teleological argument.
isnt this exciting? Thats where i feel the love, by which i creat the universe through my eyes.
Enjoy your life, and see the love in anything where you live the moment, like sports, mathmatics, physics, art, music, educating, family, friends and your love. Forever in peace
I don't know how there could not be. I believe in god, so if he wanted to put someone in the universe besides us, he could.
If you don't look at it that way, think of the size of the universe. There is NO WAY we are alone in all that space. To qoute the movie Contact "Well, if there isn't, then thats an awful waste of space."
The fine tuning argument is bunk. Life can exist in universes with tweaked laws of physics. Check out either this or last months article in scientific american.
OMG ...Scientific American must really be getting despirate! They actually dug up that fairly tale again about Parallel and mulipule universes??
You accept THAT but refuse to accept that the complexity of our universe and life on this planet might have some purpose ,order intelligence behind it??
the multiverse hypothesis is not nearly as farfetched as conjuring up the existence of an unimaginably complex entity in order to explain the complexity of the universe. It makes no sense to try and explain the existence of something complex by saying that something even more complex made it exist. In doing so you have explained precisely nothing. The multiverse is far more probable. It's simple, and has been shown to be plausible at least mathematically (physical evidence is more challenging).
who says the universe had a beginning? The universe as well know it today had a beginning at the big bang, yes. But who says that the universe was nonexistent before that point?
Additionally, even if the universe did have a first cause, why incite the existence of an incomprehensibly complex, conscious, sentient, self-aware being in order to explain that beginning? It could easily be triggered by quantum fluctuations from Werner Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, which is simple and understood?
The Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle does NOT say that quantum events are causeless. What it does say is that we cannot observe the cause and effect phenomena taking place in quantum mechanics. The causality is hidden from view. And if it wasent hidden there would be no possibality for universe or life.
"And if it wasent hidden there would be no possibality for universe or life."
That's a strange assertion.
But the point (two points, really) still stands. A) most people do not claim that the universe came into existence. The big bang marked a transition in the state of the universe to the one we now know, but it wasn't a "beginning". B) even if there were a beginning, it is far more likely that the cause is simple, rather than hugely complex (because that would then require an explanation).
..cont..The laws of physics that govern our universe are complex and ordered. When observing these examples the idea that it all came from a "simple cause" seems contradictory.
"When observing these examples the idea that it all came from a "simple cause" seems contradictory."
Not at all. I think trying to explain the existence of something complex by inciting the existence of something even more complex seems contradictory and very unproductive.
When you look at Mount Rushmore, do you say"Wow! look at what million of years of natural erosion and pure chance did to that big rock! It looks just like four of our past Presidents!" Of course you dont say that. Its obvious to anyone that Mt Rushmore was carved by a man with intellect,purpose, design and reason.
...cont...Yet in the next breath,you would say that the MAN that created the carving, who is infinitely more COMPLEX,intelligent,ordered and not to mention more ALIVE than the rock known as Mt Rushmore, just HAPPENED to evolve into existence,for no reason,purpose or by no order or intellect.
That's not true at all. At least not naturally. It's only true when you look at human creativity. Which takes care of your Mount Rushmore question. Although technically, if you bring it back far enough into the past it could be considered as having a simple beginning (taking it back to early human evolution)
..cont..Problems include the unlikely event of prebiotic chemical reactions produced in labs to make ribose and nucleobases,happening under early Earth conditions;and even if they could the even more unlikely event that they assembled into functional RNA; not to mention the time periods needed. Even origin of life and dna-rna researcher and biochemist Lesile Orgel said it would be a "miracle" if a strand of RNA ever appeared on primitive Earth.
"Life from DNA and the cell upward is so complex that were only beginning to unravel them"
Exactly, and would it make sense if these things came into existence due to a hugely complex being? No, then you'd have just one more thing that you had to explain the complexity of. We know that DNA came from very simple beginnings, and we know that all life on earth came from simple beginnings and became more complex through incremental, simple steps. Complex things have simple beginnings.
DNA came from RNA (simpler), there is good reason to think that RNA came from individual nucleosides (simpler), there is even better reason to think that individual nucleosides came from simple, basic organic molecules on the early earth. DNA did NOT come from a magical elephant that likes twisted ladders.
RNA world is a hypothesis presented to try to get around the dilemma of the needed simultaneous existence of DNA and Protein. The idea is that in early life, RNA served as a precursor to DNA might solve the chicken-egg dilemma of DNA and Protein existing simutainliously from the beginning by blind chance ,which is too incredable,even for most Natural and Darwinian Evolutionists. This idea tho as yet still appeare largley untendable do to several obstacles...cont..
..cont..Problems include the unlikely event of prebiotic chemical reactions produced in labs to make ribose and nucleobases,happening under early Earth conditions;and even if they could the even more unlikely event that they assembled into functional RNA; not to mention the time periods needed. Even origin of life and dna-rna researcher and biochemist Lesile Orgel said it would be a "miracle" if a strand of RNA ever appeared on primitive Earth.
It's an hypothesis, of course, but it's a very good hypothesis. It is a fact that RNA is capable of having some enzymatic properties. A large number of ribozymes are known to exist today. It's not just a way of skirting an issue. It's a very plausible explanation.
It's so hard to believe that we are alone in this universe. I believe in God but I think there are some creatures outside our galaxy. And of course they don't look as weird as Hollywood filmakers show
@cryps1 my friend, thats not a necessary question....It does..and with its immense beauty...one can not do much except to fall humbled by the glory of its creator.
If God is indeed God he would not be limited to our dimension of time and space. He would not require a beginning as we know it...even tho we know all MATTER had a beginning,but have no idea of the first cause of the "big bang' or where its matter came from to begin with. Hence there has to be other dimensions outside our limited one. Quantum physics and similar sciences are beginning to reveal these.
interesting, when you put the odds like that it makes you think that to say the whole thing happened by chance is to hard to accept (for me anyhow) im not looking for any arguments here.
When scientists find the chances of life in our universe, they look for chances that Humans and animals on Earth may survive. But the universe is so vast, how do you even know the life would need water or even be solid?
thisinstant asked what created the Creator? If God is indeed God he would not be confined to out limited time/space existance thus would not need a beginning in time as we understand it.
As sciences like quantum physics are revealing,there are demensions that operate OUTSIDE of our understanding of time,beginnings and endings and theres alot more to our universe and existance than what we can readily percieve within our limited time and space.
Even saying "it must be finely tuned" betrays the bias and assumption that is involved with any attempt at proving that there was a divine creator. What created the creator?
@thisisinstant How many times does this fallacious question have to be asked before people get it? The Creator does not need a creator. He created time. Time is the only thing that then requires something to be created. To be existent within time, you need a beginning or a cause. God is outside time, and He shows us He is by the Word of God. Proclaiming the end from the beginning. That is that answer you will always get, because it is the only answer and it fits.
Never in your life time will you know for sure about these things. You need to be ok with that question mark. Just keep an open mind, love yourself and try not to hurt others as you flash this pan. it's a layered onion where you will never see the center. Stop trying and live in peace. stian222
I am perfectly comfortable with the universe revolving around a question mark. I don't agree with the "obvious" conclusions that these folks come to, even if they understand much more about the universe as it is than I do. What they seem to be missing is the probablility that these constants are not fine tuned by purpose, but by coexistence. They have changed, they will change. So shall life.
Existence couldn't have come from a reasoning creator (self-causation is impossible, first causation is impossible, and something from nothing is impossible, no matter how you look at it), nor does it need chance if existence can only exist one way.
agreed. and what is more, the dimensionless physical constants of this universe support life as we know it. in another universe with different parameters life might exist, but not as we know it jim.
Do you guys ever ask your self "is there a god""is there life after this one" im sure everyone yells in there head they wish they had the answer to everything the fact that everything exsist and you are you then how can anyone be sure there is a god or wat if u die and life ends u wont feel,touch,see,hear,taste and all life as u know it wont be known there for meaning life isnt known to life it seld and yes i know im full of shit
Yes, there is a life after this one because actually you are not really dying. Your atoms are still there after your "death"! When you are dying your matter just transforms into new states. Most import: the matter that once created your conscious does also change. Without your conscious you are asleep forever.
And btw: No, you're not full of shit! Actually we would be much better off with more people like you who are willing to put a quesiton mark behind everything.
It's a shame that our society values losers like Paris Hilton much higher than scientists and real creators.
If you are a conscious and thinking person (like me) your life is much more fun anyway :-)
actually i dont belive my life is fun i question all belives i like to find out things that are real i think if the whole world thought like scientist we would advance so fast as a human race and u never know if we built vehicles that are fast like the speed of light i belive in advancing as a race not controlling each other and killing each other
@2locOUT Matter travelling faster than the speed of light, defies out current understanding of physics. Even accelerating one atom to the speed of light would require an INFINATE amount of energy, in other words, it's impossible.
If I place 10 million china cups on a football field, then drop a stone from a helicopter onto the pitch I would hit a cup, the chances of hitting a cup are 1-1, using your logic to hit the cup I did would be 10 million to one, you can't use odds retrospectively, Dover proved that
Huh,,,,maby your your refering to the dart analogy in the video.your anology does not make sence as to universal chances of ballanced forces and chances of life... if we had a million universes maby so far we have only one.
there might be a million universes or more, yet our universe may be the only one with life. Though the other universes would be totally different from our own. Or there is a great intelligence beyond time and space that controls all the physics in our universe.
Hi jernklo..the idea of other universes I believe is a bit of an aatempt to diminish the unikness and chances of our universe...as the video suggests,this idea is even more chancy and has no proof. Tho there IS a lot of proof for this universe. ;)
If ONLY one or a few of the correct values of the constants are necessary to create life, then did God have a choice in creating the Universe?
So its either God or multyverses? no other choices? isnt there a logical fallacy in there somewhere?
If you were above reason and bound by no laws or forces then why bother with such unecessary and burdensome things when creating the universe? or creating anything?
"If ONLY one or a few of the correct values of the constants are necessary to create life, then did God have a choice in creating the Universe"?
I think what their saying is its not the nessary part but the chances of those values coming together and ballancing on a "razors edge" all by themselves are insurmountable to say the least...1 in 1000000000000000000000...
I know the point that the segment was trying to make, the odds are truly mind boggling. So back to my original question, did God have a choice when he created the universe? What is the theist view on this?
I assume your quoting Einstein..Did God have a choice in creating the universe? In other words, would the universe as we know it,and life within it, have formed under the influence of a different set of physical laws? (cont)
..(cont).. A differant set of laws, a differant universe?
Whos to say. IMO theres no real yet proof of other universes but I do have lots of proof for the existance of this one. ;)
An intelligence outside of this time and space demension and unbound by these laws could very well set up these laws that sprang the uiverse into exictance imo. no?
Yes, the question was asked by Einstein, I didnt think I was quoting him directly so I didnt include his name. Many others have asked the same question in different ways. Its a very interesting question with deep implications.
(cont)..The question was not "would the universe as we know it,and life within it, have formed under the influence of a different set of physical laws?"
Y'Hovah reveals to us that "It" or "He" is sovereign; that he is almighty and that "In the beginning Elohim created the skies and the earth." Skies or heavens in Hebrew is plural meaning it is everything above the earth's atomosphere, the rest of the universe and heaven itself. If it was singular (the Heaven), then it would be set in contrast with The Earth, meaning God only created the earth and Heaven ("where angels live"). I hope this helps. Peace!
Why is this tagged with evolution; this has nothing to do with evolution. Why is it any time science doesn't have an answer, idiot creationist attribute the universe to God. Even if there is some intelligence outside time and space, what makes you think it is the God you worship and not Zeus or Thor or the FSM?
There is no reason to think the universe and all life was not created by God. It fits all the scientific evidence we are aware of. So in science we stick to a theory that fits the science we know and accept. Creation fits the science so we will stick with creation as the official view on how the universe and all forms of life came to be.
Strobel, your delusion is infinite. Life arose AS A CONSEQUENCE of the constants, that just happen to hold. You have an uncanny resemblence to Herbie Husker.
When a theist says 'random' it means the opposite of intelligence behind the creation. Evolutionists say that the Universe created on it's own, theists say there was a creator behind it.
HI theway...If I was an evoultionists or atheists betting against those odds mentioned in the video and say its all chance,Id just be in ignorant denial. IMO
indignant, im afraid your argument would not hold up in any court,by far. If you like riding on those chances and odds mentioned, youd better not go to Vagas.
I hope you don't think of me as childish, so can I ask out of curiousity what your degree is in and from where? I hold a double major in psychobiology and sociology from one of the University of California schools, and I'm working on a Law Degree at a local University (rather not be specific incase of creepy folks).
Hmmm... well, the bio section of my psychology degree did give me academic background on the topic (not all focused on the human brain), but I think any degree (especially in sciences be it chem, bio, etc., for they teach you the scientific method at length) gives one a certain status that proves one must have at least some critical thinking skills.
I agree. Greek philosophers have been trying to answer the question of who/what created us. If we keep saying "who/what created the creation?" over and over, we would come up with the most ridiculous explanations. Biblical Christianity proposes that the universe begins and ends with God, who transcends time and space
...This video only scratches the surface of the teleological argument.
MrMartyrMachine 8 months ago
isnt this exciting? Thats where i feel the love, by which i creat the universe through my eyes.
Enjoy your life, and see the love in anything where you live the moment, like sports, mathmatics, physics, art, music, educating, family, friends and your love. Forever in peace
BraunerBomberBatzen 1 year ago
of course there's life out there and the gov't knows that. they're simply not telling us.
coolmusicforyou1 1 year ago
I don't know how there could not be. I believe in god, so if he wanted to put someone in the universe besides us, he could.
If you don't look at it that way, think of the size of the universe. There is NO WAY we are alone in all that space. To qoute the movie Contact "Well, if there isn't, then thats an awful waste of space."
thejoshknight 1 year ago
Intelligence from non intelligence,life from non life,order from chaos, , laws from lawlessness,design from discord.
That takes Alot of faith. My hat's off to you.
Peace..:)
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
even scientist are turning to god! mans wisdom is stupidness in his eyes.
LxXxLMasterL 2 years ago
The fine tuning argument is bunk. Life can exist in universes with tweaked laws of physics. Check out either this or last months article in scientific american.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago
@Ramshobraja
OMG ...Scientific American must really be getting despirate! They actually dug up that fairly tale again about Parallel and mulipule universes??
You accept THAT but refuse to accept that the complexity of our universe and life on this planet might have some purpose ,order intelligence behind it??
(shaking my head)
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
the multiverse hypothesis is not nearly as farfetched as conjuring up the existence of an unimaginably complex entity in order to explain the complexity of the universe. It makes no sense to try and explain the existence of something complex by saying that something even more complex made it exist. In doing so you have explained precisely nothing. The multiverse is far more probable. It's simple, and has been shown to be plausible at least mathematically (physical evidence is more challenging).
ScientiaVeritasEtLux 1 year ago
@ScientiaVeritasEtLux
Weither theres one universe or multipules, they all still need a first cause,and that cause had to be outside of the then none existant universe.
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
who says the universe had a beginning? The universe as well know it today had a beginning at the big bang, yes. But who says that the universe was nonexistent before that point?
Additionally, even if the universe did have a first cause, why incite the existence of an incomprehensibly complex, conscious, sentient, self-aware being in order to explain that beginning? It could easily be triggered by quantum fluctuations from Werner Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, which is simple and understood?
ScientiaVeritasEtLux 1 year ago
The Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle does NOT say that quantum events are causeless. What it does say is that we cannot observe the cause and effect phenomena taking place in quantum mechanics. The causality is hidden from view. And if it wasent hidden there would be no possibality for universe or life.
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
"And if it wasent hidden there would be no possibality for universe or life."
That's a strange assertion.
But the point (two points, really) still stands. A) most people do not claim that the universe came into existence. The big bang marked a transition in the state of the universe to the one we now know, but it wasn't a "beginning". B) even if there were a beginning, it is far more likely that the cause is simple, rather than hugely complex (because that would then require an explanation).
ScientiaVeritasEtLux 1 year ago
@ScientiaVeritasEtLux
Such theories such as Heisenberg's implies that our observations of these things effects them,ans sometimes even creates or impares them.
If Im correct your suggesting that prior to the bigbang the universe existed in another form ie,energy from another existance/demention/universe.
You also said"even if there were a beginning, it is far more likely that the cause is simple"
Life from DNA and the cell upward is so complex that were only beginning to unravel them.cont
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
..cont..The laws of physics that govern our universe are complex and ordered. When observing these examples the idea that it all came from a "simple cause" seems contradictory.
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
"When observing these examples the idea that it all came from a "simple cause" seems contradictory."
Not at all. I think trying to explain the existence of something complex by inciting the existence of something even more complex seems contradictory and very unproductive.
ScientiaVeritasEtLux 1 year ago
Complexity comes from complexity.
Life come from life..the Law of Biogenics.
When you look at Mount Rushmore, do you say"Wow! look at what million of years of natural erosion and pure chance did to that big rock! It looks just like four of our past Presidents!" Of course you dont say that. Its obvious to anyone that Mt Rushmore was carved by a man with intellect,purpose, design and reason.
...cont...
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
...cont...Yet in the next breath,you would say that the MAN that created the carving, who is infinitely more COMPLEX,intelligent,ordered and not to mention more ALIVE than the rock known as Mt Rushmore, just HAPPENED to evolve into existence,for no reason,purpose or by no order or intellect.
Something isnt right about that.
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
"Complexity comes from complexity."
That's not true at all. At least not naturally. It's only true when you look at human creativity. Which takes care of your Mount Rushmore question. Although technically, if you bring it back far enough into the past it could be considered as having a simple beginning (taking it back to early human evolution)
ScientiaVeritasEtLux 1 year ago
LOL
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
..cont..Problems include the unlikely event of prebiotic chemical reactions produced in labs to make ribose and nucleobases,happening under early Earth conditions;and even if they could the even more unlikely event that they assembled into functional RNA; not to mention the time periods needed. Even origin of life and dna-rna researcher and biochemist Lesile Orgel said it would be a "miracle" if a strand of RNA ever appeared on primitive Earth.
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
"Life from DNA and the cell upward is so complex that were only beginning to unravel them"
Exactly, and would it make sense if these things came into existence due to a hugely complex being? No, then you'd have just one more thing that you had to explain the complexity of. We know that DNA came from very simple beginnings, and we know that all life on earth came from simple beginnings and became more complex through incremental, simple steps. Complex things have simple beginnings.
ScientiaVeritasEtLux 1 year ago
We know that DNA came from very simple beginnings.
No we dont know. Some speculate,some say no.
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
"No we dont know. Some speculate,some say no."
DNA came from RNA (simpler), there is good reason to think that RNA came from individual nucleosides (simpler), there is even better reason to think that individual nucleosides came from simple, basic organic molecules on the early earth. DNA did NOT come from a magical elephant that likes twisted ladders.
ScientiaVeritasEtLux 1 year ago
RNA world is a hypothesis presented to try to get around the dilemma of the needed simultaneous existence of DNA and Protein. The idea is that in early life, RNA served as a precursor to DNA might solve the chicken-egg dilemma of DNA and Protein existing simutainliously from the beginning by blind chance ,which is too incredable,even for most Natural and Darwinian Evolutionists. This idea tho as yet still appeare largley untendable do to several obstacles...cont..
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
..cont..Problems include the unlikely event of prebiotic chemical reactions produced in labs to make ribose and nucleobases,happening under early Earth conditions;and even if they could the even more unlikely event that they assembled into functional RNA; not to mention the time periods needed. Even origin of life and dna-rna researcher and biochemist Lesile Orgel said it would be a "miracle" if a strand of RNA ever appeared on primitive Earth.
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
It's an hypothesis, of course, but it's a very good hypothesis. It is a fact that RNA is capable of having some enzymatic properties. A large number of ribozymes are known to exist today. It's not just a way of skirting an issue. It's a very plausible explanation.
ScientiaVeritasEtLux 1 year ago
MABY plausible under perfect lad conditions.Its easy to work with things that are already there.
SerpentSlayer1 1 year ago
This is wrong!!!
"You may be able to find Bacteria somewhere else,.." . Bacteria is made of atoms.... if you can find Bacteria, you can find everything else.
guighost 2 years ago
It's so hard to believe that we are alone in this universe. I believe in God but I think there are some creatures outside our galaxy. And of course they don't look as weird as Hollywood filmakers show
DanikaK2 2 years ago
The ultimate question of the universe: Why does it exist?
cryps1 2 years ago
@cryps1 my friend, thats not a necessary question....It does..and with its immense beauty...one can not do much except to fall humbled by the glory of its creator.
rationalopposer 2 years ago
The earth gives glory to God! How can atheists believe that all laws of the universe just came from nothing?
magmango 2 years ago
@magmango
how can you belive god comes from nothing?
isaiahismuhnigga 2 years ago
If God is indeed God he would not be limited to our dimension of time and space. He would not require a beginning as we know it...even tho we know all MATTER had a beginning,but have no idea of the first cause of the "big bang' or where its matter came from to begin with. Hence there has to be other dimensions outside our limited one. Quantum physics and similar sciences are beginning to reveal these.
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
interesting, when you put the odds like that it makes you think that to say the whole thing happened by chance is to hard to accept (for me anyhow) im not looking for any arguments here.
myuselessopinion 2 years ago
I have seen many failed attempts to debunk this.....
Nice job.
pbar1000 2 years ago
When scientists find the chances of life in our universe, they look for chances that Humans and animals on Earth may survive. But the universe is so vast, how do you even know the life would need water or even be solid?
fartonmeharder 2 years ago
thisinstant asked what created the Creator? If God is indeed God he would not be confined to out limited time/space existance thus would not need a beginning in time as we understand it.
As sciences like quantum physics are revealing,there are demensions that operate OUTSIDE of our understanding of time,beginnings and endings and theres alot more to our universe and existance than what we can readily percieve within our limited time and space.
SerpentSlayer1 2 years ago
Even saying "it must be finely tuned" betrays the bias and assumption that is involved with any attempt at proving that there was a divine creator. What created the creator?
thisisinstant 4 years ago 53
@thisisinstant How many times does this fallacious question have to be asked before people get it? The Creator does not need a creator. He created time. Time is the only thing that then requires something to be created. To be existent within time, you need a beginning or a cause. God is outside time, and He shows us He is by the Word of God. Proclaiming the end from the beginning. That is that answer you will always get, because it is the only answer and it fits.
evAngeliis 9 months ago
Never in your life time will you know for sure about these things. You need to be ok with that question mark. Just keep an open mind, love yourself and try not to hurt others as you flash this pan. it's a layered onion where you will never see the center. Stop trying and live in peace. stian222
stian222 4 years ago 36
This was heavy
Assassin0187 4 years ago 11
I am perfectly comfortable with the universe revolving around a question mark. I don't agree with the "obvious" conclusions that these folks come to, even if they understand much more about the universe as it is than I do. What they seem to be missing is the probablility that these constants are not fine tuned by purpose, but by coexistence. They have changed, they will change. So shall life.
saglek 4 years ago 34
Existence couldn't have come from a reasoning creator (self-causation is impossible, first causation is impossible, and something from nothing is impossible, no matter how you look at it), nor does it need chance if existence can only exist one way.
Mirason 4 years ago 24
Perfect creation of the God
classical961 4 years ago
We are in the "RIGHT UNIVERSE". We are just simply holding the winning ticket in this Universe. Where did god/s come from?
revtyson 4 years ago 12
agreed. and what is more, the dimensionless physical constants of this universe support life as we know it. in another universe with different parameters life might exist, but not as we know it jim.
pzyktzle1 4 years ago 15
Do you guys ever ask your self "is there a god""is there life after this one" im sure everyone yells in there head they wish they had the answer to everything the fact that everything exsist and you are you then how can anyone be sure there is a god or wat if u die and life ends u wont feel,touch,see,hear,taste and all life as u know it wont be known there for meaning life isnt known to life it seld and yes i know im full of shit
2locOUT 4 years ago 6
Yes, there is a life after this one because actually you are not really dying. Your atoms are still there after your "death"! When you are dying your matter just transforms into new states. Most import: the matter that once created your conscious does also change. Without your conscious you are asleep forever.
TechnologyWorshipper 4 years ago 7
And btw: No, you're not full of shit! Actually we would be much better off with more people like you who are willing to put a quesiton mark behind everything.
It's a shame that our society values losers like Paris Hilton much higher than scientists and real creators.
If you are a conscious and thinking person (like me) your life is much more fun anyway :-)
TechnologyWorshipper 4 years ago 11
actually i dont belive my life is fun i question all belives i like to find out things that are real i think if the whole world thought like scientist we would advance so fast as a human race and u never know if we built vehicles that are fast like the speed of light i belive in advancing as a race not controlling each other and killing each other
2locOUT 4 years ago 37
@2locOUT Matter travelling faster than the speed of light, defies out current understanding of physics. Even accelerating one atom to the speed of light would require an INFINATE amount of energy, in other words, it's impossible.
cplusplusish 1 year ago
am i a conscious person?
pzyktzle1 4 years ago
no, you are not
TechnologyWorshipper 4 years ago
this is out of human controls anyway. humans will never be able to find out.
immortal4942 5 years ago 4
If I place 10 million china cups on a football field, then drop a stone from a helicopter onto the pitch I would hit a cup, the chances of hitting a cup are 1-1, using your logic to hit the cup I did would be 10 million to one, you can't use odds retrospectively, Dover proved that
EmailEunuch 4 years ago 3
Huh,,,,maby your your refering to the dart analogy in the video.your anology does not make sence as to universal chances of ballanced forces and chances of life... if we had a million universes maby so far we have only one.
SerpentSlayer1 4 years ago
there might be a million universes or more, yet our universe may be the only one with life. Though the other universes would be totally different from our own. Or there is a great intelligence beyond time and space that controls all the physics in our universe.
jernklo 4 years ago
Hi jernklo..the idea of other universes I believe is a bit of an aatempt to diminish the unikness and chances of our universe...as the video suggests,this idea is even more chancy and has no proof. Tho there IS a lot of proof for this universe. ;)
SerpentSlayer1 4 years ago
Oh man, I just saw this again. This is hilarious. They call gravity a "force." Oopsie! I guess they haven't heard from Einstein's relativity before.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago 3
If ONLY one or a few of the correct values of the constants are necessary to create life, then did God have a choice in creating the Universe?
So its either God or multyverses? no other choices? isnt there a logical fallacy in there somewhere?
If you were above reason and bound by no laws or forces then why bother with such unecessary and burdensome things when creating the universe? or creating anything?
G4LCTC 5 years ago 3
"If ONLY one or a few of the correct values of the constants are necessary to create life, then did God have a choice in creating the Universe"?
I think what their saying is its not the nessary part but the chances of those values coming together and ballancing on a "razors edge" all by themselves are insurmountable to say the least...1 in 1000000000000000000000...
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
I know the point that the segment was trying to make, the odds are truly mind boggling. So back to my original question, did God have a choice when he created the universe? What is the theist view on this?
G4LCTC 5 years ago
I assume your quoting Einstein..Did God have a choice in creating the universe? In other words, would the universe as we know it,and life within it, have formed under the influence of a different set of physical laws? (cont)
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
..(cont).. A differant set of laws, a differant universe?
Whos to say. IMO theres no real yet proof of other universes but I do have lots of proof for the existance of this one. ;)
An intelligence outside of this time and space demension and unbound by these laws could very well set up these laws that sprang the uiverse into exictance imo. no?
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
Yes, the question was asked by Einstein, I didnt think I was quoting him directly so I didnt include his name. Many others have asked the same question in different ways. Its a very interesting question with deep implications.
G4LCTC 5 years ago
(cont)..The question was not "would the universe as we know it,and life within it, have formed under the influence of a different set of physical laws?"
G4LCTC 5 years ago
Of course he had a choice imo.
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
Y'Hovah reveals to us that "It" or "He" is sovereign; that he is almighty and that "In the beginning Elohim created the skies and the earth." Skies or heavens in Hebrew is plural meaning it is everything above the earth's atomosphere, the rest of the universe and heaven itself. If it was singular (the Heaven), then it would be set in contrast with The Earth, meaning God only created the earth and Heaven ("where angels live"). I hope this helps. Peace!
Bogusgal 4 years ago
Not sure what you say bogusgal... are you suggesting that elohim did not creat the universe, just this earth and surunding "heaven"?
SerpentSlayer1 4 years ago
Why is this tagged with evolution; this has nothing to do with evolution. Why is it any time science doesn't have an answer, idiot creationist attribute the universe to God. Even if there is some intelligence outside time and space, what makes you think it is the God you worship and not Zeus or Thor or the FSM?
tbrown52 5 years ago 5
There is no reason to think the universe and all life was not created by God. It fits all the scientific evidence we are aware of. So in science we stick to a theory that fits the science we know and accept. Creation fits the science so we will stick with creation as the official view on how the universe and all forms of life came to be.
warriorprince1010 5 years ago
Great job, Slayer! Keep up the great work :)
RAIDERJO76 5 years ago
thanks raider
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
Strobel, your delusion is infinite. Life arose AS A CONSEQUENCE of the constants, that just happen to hold. You have an uncanny resemblence to Herbie Husker.
indignant99 5 years ago
When a theist says 'random' it means the opposite of intelligence behind the creation. Evolutionists say that the Universe created on it's own, theists say there was a creator behind it.
thewaythetruth 5 years ago
HI theway...If I was an evoultionists or atheists betting against those odds mentioned in the video and say its all chance,Id just be in ignorant denial. IMO
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
indignant, im afraid your argument would not hold up in any court,by far. If you like riding on those chances and odds mentioned, youd better not go to Vagas.
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
I'll go to Vegas whenever I want, retard.
My degree is in math. Is yours?
indignant99 5 years ago
Indignant, you seem like a immature little kid to me.
You probally can see the math then, but still dont have the common sence to listen to it.
I hope you will some day.
Peace dude
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
I hope you don't think of me as childish, so can I ask out of curiousity what your degree is in and from where? I hold a double major in psychobiology and sociology from one of the University of California schools, and I'm working on a Law Degree at a local University (rather not be specific incase of creepy folks).
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
Before I answer, ...Quick question ...does any of these you mentioned make you an athority in naturalistic darwinian evolution theory? Just asking.
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
Hmmm... well, the bio section of my psychology degree did give me academic background on the topic (not all focused on the human brain), but I think any degree (especially in sciences be it chem, bio, etc., for they teach you the scientific method at length) gives one a certain status that proves one must have at least some critical thinking skills.
TheBlindWatchmaker 5 years ago
Hey bwm AS long as they dont tell you what to think ,opposed to how to think..;)
Got somthing to talk about but theres not enough room here..I'll Email you.
SerpentSlayer1 5 years ago
Oooh, so impressive! Since the rest of us don't have degrees in math, we can't understand fractions like
1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
mayartay 5 years ago 3
That guy annoys me, all the crap he does with his hands.
coolsteevo 5 years ago 2