F-18E/F/G is a great fighter and bomber/ electronic warfare aircraft, f- 15 f-22 need the full upgrade. americans must understand allowing u.s.a.f top fighter to be down graded means weakening u.s of america and sec not having a2a fighter to replace nato/friends a a2a replacement hurt! putting them all in a stop jsf or f-18 updated. u.s navy use f-18 as a force multiplier. all other nations don't have 10 or 12 carriers to place them,so they need a2a fire power & range,which f-18+ is not pure a2a
@hotrod4you2 don't get me wrong i love f-18e/f/g & internation road map fighter sounds great . but looks like u.s could re-wing re-engine and possible thrust vectoring a number of f-15/f-16 giving them a export model replacement at a lower cost & parts interchangiable w/ those who fly f-15's? but there all ageing planes so i'm not sure?
@BBEEAANN1 Being a big fan of the F-14, I wish I can say that the F-14 was undefeated in Air Combat. A couple were lost in the Iranian Air Force to MiG-25's I believe. But the F-14 has killed more MiG-25's then it has lost to. The F-14 was truly a wonder and a beautiful sight, and lethal killer!
@BBEEAANN1 No in this case Spichter did not know he was being engaged, The flight did't even know untill they saw the fire ball. Know one even knew what happened untill much later after the Navy's investigation. For awhile they thought it was a SAM. Go read! SH is already in line for an engine upgrade of 20% which will put it over 1.1:1. Go read. The SH can already do most of what the SU can do in the Air Shows they perform in and with the engine upgrades and FBY upgrades, it will be right there
@BBEEAANN1 The MiG-25 didnt kill the F/A-18 in a dog fight. It was a simple didn't know it was there...didn't know what killed him. Old school Red Baron type kill. Had the two got into a dog fight the F/A-18 would have killed the MiG-25. The SH is an exceptional fighter. WIth some minor changes 1v1 againts any SU or MiG the SH would win.
@BBEEAANN1 Also you said the super hornet cant go mach 1. AHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH the super hornet can go mach 1.8. Also the f-16 in air to air combat simulations kicked the shit out of the f-14. Also the f-14 can pull about 7 Gs while a super hornet can pull about 7.6 Gs.
@BBEEAANN1 WTF bro you are so dumb. The f-18 that was shot down was a f-18 hornet not a super hornet. Also the reason the f-14 was scrapped is because they did not want parts to go to iran. Not because is was so advanced. And dont even think the f-14 radar is more advanced then a AESA radar on a super hornet. Its co mine sense. And what makes you think f-14 is betetr then super hornet. Do you realley think the u.s. navy would replace a better jet with a carper one. NOOOO read before you talk.
@BBEEAANN1 how the hell do u think u know what the navy needs?you dont ok yf 17 vs f 16 the airforce has diffrent needs than the navy kid.navy obviusly chose to get rid of the tomcat for a super hornet but mr nobody thinks he knows more than the navy.f 16 blk 50-60 vs any 4th genplane it would win in a dogfight it will whoop all over a f 14 and n f 18.use your common sense bro the tomcat is gone for a reason.it was a really good plane.and the phoenix missle isnt even that good no chance vs 120
@BBEEAANN1 JUST ADD ME AS A FREIND AND REMEMBER THIS CONVERSATION OF OURS YOU DONT EVEN NO IF THATS REAL AND I HONESTLY CANT BELEIVE THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SPOKEN TO PILOTS FOR THE LAST FUCKEN TIME U HAVENT ALL YOU DO IS READ BS ON THE INTERNET.
@BBEEAANN1 I DONT BELEIVE THOSE DAMN ARTICLES ITS MOSTLY BS ALL THE TIME HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BELEIVE THAT IM NOT GONNA BELEIVE ANYTHING FROM YOU CLAIMING HOW BAD THE RHINO IS OK WHY???BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN TOUCHED THE REAL THING AND HAVE ASKED ALOT OF QUESTIONS TO REAL PILOTS NO REAL PILOTS OK AND THEY TELL ME OTHERWISE OK.ADD ME AS A FREIND AND IMMA POST A VID WITHA PILOT OK.HAHAH I DONE ARGUING WITH YOU U OBVIUSLY U RATHER BELEIVE INTERNET THAN REAL LIFE LIKE U NO EVERYTHING ABOUT THE RHINO
@BBEEAANN1 THATS JUST A STUPID WEBSITE THAT SAIS THERE STUPID OPINION YOUR NOT GOIB=NG TO GET EVER FACT FROM THE INTERNET STUPID FUCK THERE SUCH THING AS CLASSIFIED THATS HOW PEOPLE GET BRAINWASHED
@BBEEAANN1 are you kidding me!!!now i know your bullshitting the rhino can fly 40% farther than the legacy hornet carry way more fuel you stupid idiot how are you going to tell me that.for the last time dont beleive everything you hear from forums ok. u DONT NO SHIT thats the damn biggest lie ever ok.u no what add me as a freind imma go talk to real navy pilots and record put it on youtube k
the legacy hornet beats rhino HAHAHAHAH your just a rhino hater N U BELEIVE LIES DOUBT U SPOKEN 2 REAL
@BBEEAANN1 yes i can explain first of all the legacy hornet is NOT A RHINO!!there are completly diffrent planes.ok get that through your head.the rhino is far better than thelegacy hornet.it wasnt the legacy hornet that replaced the tomcat but the superior super hornet ok.u dont even no what happened it could of been a 1000 posiblities why that happened awacs error,pilot error etc.u dont even no the complexity of air combat im done aurguing with u i get my info from REAL pilots not fake shit.
@BBEEAANN1 let me ezplain a real combat senario for u ok.in bvr combat its all about RADAR AND MISSLES.the rhino would track tomcat before.the tomcatcats phoenix missle wouldnt be good against a high g manouvering airplane,aim 120 would almost garantee a kill on the tomcat so basically the rhino won already.now if were talking about WVR guns only the tomcat would have the edge but,aim 9x with the rhinos HMD MEANS offfboreshot capability in a dogfight no chance for the tomcat.
@BBEEAANN1 yes i can say the rhino(not legacy hornet)is a better aircraft.1.AESA RADAR 2.aim 120+aim 9x 3.HMD 4.far better maintanace FAR BETTER!! can perform multiple missions in one day with more combat ready airplanes.The Super Hornet cost per flight hour is 40% of the F-14 Tomcat and requires 75% less labor hours per flight hour.5.can hold AOA LONGER THAN TOMCAT(fact)5.what more do i need to say the navy was smart on getting rid of the tomcat.and dont tell me the phoenix is equal with 120.
@BBEEAANN1 dude shut up already the 14s gone and there nothing u can do about it u get over it.the super hornet is far better.i have spoken to REAL pilots and they told me the tomcat was great but the super hornet is better.and i can give you a trillion reasons why the super hornet is better.
@BBEEAANN1 Firts offf The f-14 RCS is 25 m2 the f-18 super hornet rcs is 0.1m2. The super hornet is stealthilyish. A f-14 was shot down over iraq by a SAM. And the f-18 super hornet has a much more advanced cockpit with up to date computers. The f-14 uses old vacume wires to gather info witch is very outdated. Also the f-18 super hornet can mount aim-120 missiles while the f-14 never was able to get them. Ans the f-18 super hornet has a AESA radar while the f-14 has a normal Pulse doppler radar.
You guys are fucking jokes. FACT is, Super Hornet is more newer and advanced, but it still CAN'T do the important things that the Tomcat did. The carriers should have kept at least a squadron on deck, you NEVER know what will happen. It seems that "NEW TECHNOLOGY" is all thats up people's ass nowadays. You can't blame the Tomcat for being unreliable airframe after 36 years of being the "Tip of the Spear" and glorious service!! The F-14 has proved itself WAY longer than the Hornet!
@xTomcatsForeverVF84x Well you have no idea what technology could do to save your life. Sure the Tomcat was a great fighter. But did it have the equipment to increase the situational awareness of the Pilot and RIO? Did it have the AESA radar to also increasingly dramatically improve the Situational awareness of the pilot and RIO/WSO?
p.s Have you seen the Super Hornet do a maneuver resembling the cobra?
The equipment it had for SA was sufficient enough for the Tomcat and its pilots. NEVER had any pilot complained about the Tomcats SA. I'm pretty sure the IRIAF had worse SA than the Navy pilots, but they still came out on top of the Iraqi Air Force. In fact, the IRIAF lost training in the Tomcat after the fall of the Shah, so they had to fly on their own will and training.
@xTomcatsForeverVF84x You know your history very well! Well the F/A-18F and the Tomcat are two very comparable aircraft. But I personally like them both because both of my uncles flew them both. So I can't really say anything. But I personally like the Super Hornets. I would take them on a dogfight. But I really couldn't say anything bad about the SH. Its low speed maneuverability is unbelievable. It has a pretty big payload, and the JHMCS. But if I were to intercept a bomber, I would pick F-14
Well thank you =) Yes, I can say you are right! Both are top of the line fighters even though the Tomcat isn't with us anymore. But fighter spirit is still in the minds of former Tomcat pilots as well as on the decks of carriers. And to answer your question, no I haven't seen the cobra from a SH. Personally, I think that the cobra should be a Russian thing with its fighters because it originated there.....the Pugachev (Cobra) Maneuver.
The F-18E was going to be equipped with the AESA radar. Between an APG-71 and an APG-79 I would chose the APG-79 anytime baby..
The AMRAAM C-7 and AMRAAM D have significantly better range than older AMRAAMs and the AIM-54 was old and not reliable anymore. The AIM-54 was designed to kill bombers, not fighters and the threat of bombers is not significant now.
The 18E has a much smaller frontal RCS. The F-14 with its very large RCS has become too vulnerable.
the AIM-54 was designed to kill cruise missiles/bombers/fighters/cargo planes/ ect, if it flew the AIM-54 was the one missile that could deal with it, and one thing that is ridicoulous to say is that an F-14 is vulnerable, yes it had a large RCS but it was also the most or the second most capable fighter jet till its retirement, a vulnerable aircraft cant turn and kill you, the tomcat was more than capable of doing just that and it did have JHMCS/9X, in tomcats case it was called RIO
@TheScrumpty What the heck are you talking about? Your only vulnerable when you do the Cobra if your untrained like you do. But the very well trained US Navy aviators like my uncle who are battle hardened could perform the cobra only if you are going so fast, you have no time to think. In a Super Hornet, you can only do the cobra maneuver if your descending down 45 degrees, and full military power, or full throttle. And if the AIM-54 was powerful, then why didn't the Navy score kills with it?
lets analize that for a second the cobra manuever, pointing your nose at very high AOA, while cutting your throttle to almost flight idle, airspeed drops to nearly zero, all energy gone point the nose back down to regain energy before crashing, yes that most certainly sounds like a perfect strafing target to me, and i am far from untrained however i am nowhere close to being current on any training these days
@TheScrumpty You just don't want to admit that the Super Hornet is EQUAL to the Tomcat. And the Cobra maneuver in the F/A-18E/F is hard...obviously. You go full military throttle, descend down 45 degrees angle, and pull up. And with the SH, there's no need for visual identification. We have whats called an AESA. It's a radar that can tell from friend or foe. Really. It's true. And the the JHMCS, so will the RIO look at the target from behind and tell the pilot to shoot, and shoot it?
equal to tomcat??????????ha not likely at all, i know what aesa is and if i am not mistaken we have had IFF on our planes for decades now and as far as the cobra maneuver goes it is good for airshows but if there is cloudcover a hammerhead is far more useful
@TheScrumpty Yeah right. You are really ignorant. With the JHMCS, you can litterally look at the enemy, even if its behind your plane, and it will lock on, and shoot it down. It's been proven in testing.
and the reason more targets were not shot down with pheonix was simple, congress required all branches of our service to physically identify all potentian hostile targets before engaging in BVR combat, i know it sounds stupid, but that is the way it is, those restrictions were only to be rescinded in the event of an escalating crisis, and the military would have to be at DEFCON 2 for those policies to change
Those are the same restrictions flown to this date in combat, wtf, you were never a pilot scrumpty, we are not talking about vietnam here, in desert storm those same ROE were followed even at 20 nm, it didnt matter if it was 100 nms away, the same roe's were followed, dont use that as an excuse.
how can i get you and others to understand, with pheonix the target aircraft did not have time to manuever?? and even if they did the lethal radius of the missile's warhead would not allow the target plane to get away anyway and i was being sarcastic meaning i would rather trust the eyes and ears of my RIO than some fancy helmet called JHMCS that is why i said tomcats had JHMCS and we called them our RIO's
Another thing is that the AIM-54 missiles started to have serious maintenance problems. They were not very reliable anymore.They have to canabilize on some of the missiles to fix problems of the rocket.
The AIM-54 is completly outdated, probably not very hard to jam compared to a late block AMRAAM.
When the USN took the decision to retire the F-14, they knew the AESA of the F-18 and the AIM-120C-7/D were under way.
And I'd take a JHMCS/9X over the RIO's eyes any time baby..
there very well could have and i am saying COULD HAVE been new problems with the rocket motors, but does anyone think that the tomcat could not carry and fire the AIM-120 also? and what part of home on jam is not understandable by anyone here? and when will all of you realize the navy did not decide to take the hornet over the tomcat the hornet was mandated and that JHMCS well what are you supposed to do if that thing goes down in the middle of a fight i would rather have a RIO
The AIM-54 is completly outdated. It would have required a significant upgrade, that means a lot of investment for a missile that could only be carried by the F-14. The missile would have been very expensive too.
And why have a super tomcat with AMRAAMs when the F-18 can shoot the AMRAAM already at max range?
When they decided to go with the F-18E the engine was available and most of the avionics. On the contrary it was a very good deal.
whoa stop you are not really trying to compare the pheonix missile to the amraam are you, i am a huge fan of the amraam it is as good as can be expected from an air to air missile, but it is not even close to being in the same league as the pheonix, the amraam was a necessary replacement for the sparrow whaich was for all purposes a dud, it missed more than it hit, but even so the amraam is not a replacement for the pheonix just like the hornet is not a replacement for the tomcat
actually the projections of the quickstrike upgrade was projected to be at about 55 million per plane about 20 million less than super hornet, and tomcat has never been less manueverable than hornet, the pheonix upgrade had already been r&d'ed, and was already paid for, and as good as the AMRAAM is it can not compare to pheonix and the per missile cost of pheonix was not to be 3 million it was to be about 1.2 million and AESA is not as good as APG-71 let alone what quickstrike was to have
@TheScrumpty Look, both my uncles used to fly an F-14 for 8 years, then flied an F/A-18F for 3 years, then go stationed in Washington as an administrative position, and my uncle is an F/A-18E pilot. So I can't say anything bad about the two aircraft. Dick Cheney only halted the production of F-14's. Not because he hated it, but because he had too. He didn't want to, but the economy was so bad back then, they didn't have enough money. And the SH is expensive, but why'd they make it?
Because in the 90's, the economy was at best, so they could make a new aircraft. Expensive, but affordable. But why make an inferior aircraft? We're not dumb people. And advanced technology could make the mission of whatever, easier, and faster. America could make a really long-range missile, but how accurate and expensive could it be? But its pretty obvious that the developers of the F/A-18 got some ideas from the F-15, and F-16.
What version of the AIm-54 are you talking about, the AIM-54C ECCM/sealed? That missile is not nearly as advanced as the AMRAAM, especially the latest iteration.
The AIM-54 used to cost about 1 million in the 80, now it would cost 2-3 million sure. The AMRAAM is mass produced, you can probably get like 4 AMRAAMs for the same cost.
There was a program in the 90' called AAAM to replace the AIM-54 and arm the F-15 as well but it was cancelled because of the end of the cold war.
and no matter what you are saying the truth is that AESA is not the end all be all of radars, yes it is very good, and AMRAAM is also very good, but they can not do what APG-71 and pheonix can do, and unless they can, not only the navy but our country got shafted because dick cheney want to have a temper tantrum
@TheScrumpty And you don't get the point do you? The F-14 Tomcat was FEARED and RESPECTED by our enemies. And respected as in "oh wow, that's one good looking plane! Respect!". And feared as in "Oh wow, that plane looks like it's going to shoot the sh*t out of me! I'm feared!". And so is the F/A-18E/F. And why didn't the enemies in Vietnam (the F-14 was a patrolling at the time) and Iraq mess with the US Navy? Because of the F/A-18C and F-14. And the F/A-18E/F is also feared and respected.
@TheScrumpty you think the navy wasn't asking for a new fighter when the only reason the F14s could beat the migs was because of our better trained pilots. With the legacy fighters now on the same playing field or even inferior to the newest SU class russian jets, we need newer better planes. We need to stay ahead and whether or not the military is asking for it, politicians must make sure we are staying one, or in the raptors case, several steps ahead of the enemy.
every radar on the planet can be jammed, and usually one is just as easy as the next, but the quickstrike and the tomcat 21 was not going to have the apg-71 alone and the radar that was supposed to be implemented in the quickstrike and tomcat 21 could not be implemented by the superhornet due to the size restriction of the generators the hornet has to work with
@sikorsky158 yes you are right the AWG-9 radar in the F-14/A's and B's did ultimately become to easy to jam, but this was not from the radars inability to do it's job, the AWG-9 should have been replaced long ago before it was allowed to stagnate by politicians, but the APG-71 is not an easy radar to jam, but again it can be jammed like any other radar on the planet
@TheScrumpty Oh would you stop with the whole RIO/JHMCS thing?? They don't do the same thing. And if the Navy 'did not want the Super Hornet', then why didn't they petition against it? Because they all seem to like the Super Hornet. There's even alot of guys who would prefer the Super Hornet over the Tomcat. Why did the Navy choose the Super Hornet? Because it met all their strike fighter needs. And what's a Navy without a multi-role aircraft? The Super Hornet excel's in all mission platforms.
first off the navy did petition against hornet back in 1981 before original hornet but after it was forced on the navy it did in fact turn into a credible strike fighter as you have already indicated and the navy seen it would be an excellent replacement for the A-7, and A-4's, but they never wanted it to replace the A-6 or
F-14, and now they have been ordered to replace them all with hornet, i cant believe you dont see how this weakened our once proud and deadly navy
That kind of statement you just made has no point.....generally speaking from all F-14 pilots and Navy personal as well as the Tomcat pilots I met, they all said that the F-14 was the top premier fighter of the Navy until its retirement. "Tip of the Spear" came in the Kosovo war when VF-41 F-14's proved themselves among all other fighters in the theatre in bombing, recon, and CAP missions over Bosnia.
BS BS BS BS BS the f14 was let go because it was loosing way too fucking much in mock combat against F15s, f16s, and f18s. Thats the reason for its demise.
Your choice, if you like the APG-79 radar with only around 100 built that doesn't have the capability to track 24 targets, then that's your opinion. I'd still take the APG-71 that can track 24 targets. AIM-54 not reliable? The IRIAF scored around 70 plus kills with the Phoenix. You "new technology lovers" think that is isn't reliable because that there wasn't anything to kill with it. If long range bomber threats became present to the fleet, then the AIM-54 would still do the job hands down.
Well, I don't think thats necessarily true. If they successfully killed its targets with the phoenix, how come the AIM-54 was shot against MIG-25's in 1999, and scored no kills? You should see the SH do a cobra. I think it's hard for the pilots to do, because it doesn't have thrust vectoring. But because of the design, its pretty possible. But I think that the new technology could be a lifesaver. Don't get me wrong. But because of its on board computers, its easier for the engines 2 go suprsonic
do you know that in a dogfight the cobra manuever is a completely useless manuever and does exactly one thing, exposes your entire back to machine guns fire, or belly depending on where the enemy aircraft is at, and with the makeup of the bullets in todays guns in aircraft it takes exactly one bullet to blow that beautiful cobra performing fighter out of the sky,
good point, hornet and superhornet pilots tend to have really big heads thinking that plane is the end al be all and the culmination of fighter jet design, i think they should have picked a fighter jet to latch that claim to though
As a civilian "people mover" pilot for 12 years and having never had the opportunity to fly an airplane as capable and gravity defying as ANY true fighter jet, I question the validly of any claimed aviator that denies such a chance because of perceived lesser performance over another fighter jet and not something legitimate like a safety issue. How many pilots have this opportunity, and he claims he turned it down? Oh well, I think we've run him off...
run me off ha ha not likely i did not know i had to ask permission from any of you guys to go out of town for a weekend of fun with my family sorry i will ask permission next time, yeah right, look i flew the hornet for 2 years i did not like it so when the tomcat was getting retired i had no desire to transition to the superhornet i think that is enough said, i did not like the hornets performance characteristics, and had no reason to think superhornet would be any better
You are NOT A PILOT. You have never shown me proof after I asked you. You are just another tomcat fangay that hates on other fighters other than that piece of shit F-14. Chances are you were never a pilot, you are not 41, you know NOTHING of the F-18's capability, and even if you were in the navy, you most likely got fired for being stupid, not retired.
Just stop pretending. We all know you're not a pilot.
one last time i dont care what you believe but you are right about one thing here and one thing only, i am not a pilot anymore, i dont have to prove a damned thing to you or anyone else nor will i, take me at my word, or dont, either way i dont care one bit, but you continually repeating your drivel does not make what you say the truth even if you spew it a million times makes it no more true than the first time you said it, now can we talk about planes? there still is not 6,500 pounds on this1
you really dont get it do you, the navy never wanted the hornet it was forced on the navy, the navy wanted the d model tomcats and then the quickstrike tomcats and ultimately the tomcat 21
@TheScrumpty FORCED?!!?!?! The Navy didn't want anymore Tomcats you dumbhorn. The Navy wanted the E/F Super Hornets. I know more than you do. Don't test me. I have a habit of pissing people off.
yes forced, the navy never wanted the hornet, but it still needed a replacement for it's aging A-7's and remaining phantoms that were still flying off 2 of our carriers and since the A-12 program was cancelled and they were saddled with the hornet they made the best out of it as they could, which i do have to admit the navy has done remarkedly well with the hornets givin the shortcommings and inferiorities of the airframe, i would have to say it is almost adequate
the super hornets were actually natural progression of the design and since the navy was already saddled with them, well you get the rest, so you want to believe that you know more than me huh, well it is your right to believe whatever you want, it still dont make it true, test you? i dont test anyone, and there is no way you can piss me off, i am retired, did my time, i spend most of my time fishing and relaxing i dont let anyone piss me off these days
i have been retire for 4 years, almost, and i do my share of fishing and other things, i am fine with how things turned out, i wish they could have been different but we dont always get what we want out of life and sometimes things are out of your hands but i am good with it when are we gonna start talking about the video here now?
well thinking about that if i had retired 20 years ago i would have been flying phantoms, and maybe had a few years in those marvelous tomcats before having to retire i got to say i think that would have sucked
yes i do, you get a massive party, and get presented with a formal medal display with all the medals and ribbons you earned during your career, and an officers sword with an american flag also folded in a display box why?
You couldnt even answer a simple question that ALL service members should know from the start of their "career" which they don't call that by the way. We'll get back to the video only if you admit that you are not a real pilot or had any military experiance.
so let me understand this correctly. you want me to lie to everyone here to stroke your ego since you have always thought something that is true is not true? and for what purpose? do you really believe that others will think you are dominate over me? well dude i guess we wont be talking about airplanes then because i will not lie for you or anyone else, and i have known since i was 12 i was going to have a career in the navy and yes we did call it a career who are you by the way
are you the next superhornettv or flyboy or hornetsforever or oh hell i cant remember all the ones who have tried this on me but i will remember that you will be the last, you are so pathetic that you even made up a screen name with my screen name being a part of it jesus man you could not even come up with your own?
since you are demanding from me i guess i get to demand from you, who are you what do you do? what give you the right to claim any expertise on this subject? the sword cuts both directions man, tell us about yourself? so i can tell everyone you are not telling the truth, and call you a liar, and a fraud? c'mon give it to us
Okay. Hi, I'm Mike Stevens. I am just a 24 year old male living in the outside of Norfolk NAS who's father is workingin the USS Theodore Roosevelt. I work in McDonalds in the base, and planning to enlist in the Navy in July at Great Lakes. Now you. Your turn.
wow, oh my god. you have got to be kidding me you are worse than superhornettv and those others, you dont know shit dude and you have used up all the time i am willing to give you, you know nothing about the tomcat, nothing about the hornet, i will not give anyone my name well because i wont i am 41 years old and am a retired naval avaitor,
at least i did not wait till i was 24 to enlist, what is wrong dude? were ya too afraid of combat that you had to wait to enlist till it was over with? you are a coward, why enlist now? and i spammed those coments cause he was calling me a faggot which i am not one of those, and whay do you think he is a real pilot anyway? what makes you take that canucks word over an americans word, and at least i did not try to avoid combat i have seen mine go dry your fucking ears you fucking wog
so what are you saying? you were one of the pilots who shot down those migs? oh wow. go die. and you spammed a pilots comment on a video because he was stating why the hornet is better than the tomcat.
i NEVER said i shot down any migs, where are you getting this from? and i did not spam his comment because he said the hornet is better than the tomcat you say that and i dont spam yours i spammed his because he kept calling me a faggot and saying i like men, which is completely untrue he has the right to his oppinoin about the 2 planes i wont spam for that
a lot of people proved you wrong. there was that commercial airliner guy. there was that guy who said that he was an AIMD. And theres that other guy who was a former CO.
no one has proved me wrong about anything, the commercial airliner guy yeah he has never flown either of those airframes, so he dont know jack, the squadron CO we have a difference of oppinion, that is allowed
and you said you were an XO. no you weren't. because no XO of both tomcat squadrons retired. they all moved up to captain. probobly one of them is a rear admiral now.
you were not there you are taking the word of another that i have alread discredited he was never in the navy or an aimd, his tenure story completely unraveled, and going from commander to rear admiral in 4 years, i doubt that veeeery seriously, if those 3 were promoted to captain i am happy for them i guess but they are still captains
Scrumpty Ive known grown men who joined when they were 30 and saw more combat in 6 months then youll ever see you fucking piece of trash, wtf would you critisize anyones enlistment age you fucking baboon, maybe some fucking people are smart and live and learn life before signing over there fucking like to the miltary, you are a fucking fool.
good for them, i doubt it, because if he were really ready to fight for the freedoms he has enjoyed up till now he would have enlisted a long time ago, and since he has not yet served he has no reason at alll to bad mouth me or my service
back off of this one you are waaaaaaay of base on this one no officer reaches the rank of admiral in 20 years, and i have known more than a few commanders that have been forced to retire after 24 years cause they ran out of tenure
you know what you will find out that you rotate out of commands every 2 years unless you are involontary extended or you request to be extended, other than that it is 2 years and i am going to bed, and i do expect someday in the future that you will be an honorable man and after you find out i am right you will get on here and appologize
he look here is another one TomcatSucks4ever2 is doing his drive by posting and then removing them again, just letting everyone know so they dont think i am spamming him
yup and like tomcatsux4ever said. you are 41 years old and being immature and show grammar of a teenager. you probobly go to sleep cuz u have school tommorow. boo hoo.
i am not going down this road again, i am not nor have i ever been a fucking secretary, you dont like my grammer well i dont give a fuck, i need to get about 4 hours of sleep to make sure my kids get up and go to school not me although i have been considering going back to school
i bet you have never gotten close to a girl before. i almost got my girlfriend pregnant, but we remembered if we had anal. so we just stuck to blowjobs and did stuff to each other.
besides you dont know a thing about tenure so dont even try to stand me down on this subject, you have been and still are talking about shit you have no idea what you are talking about, and quit saying i said something i never said
i dont know for certain he is a real pilot or not but i do know i was a real pilot and i got to fly the best piece of machinery that i think the world has ever seen, i also got to fly what i consider to be one of the worst for 2 years, but noe of that changes the fact that you are still a coward why are you joining in july? why not tommorrow? why not 4 years ago? why not 6 years ago? you want the colledge money but dont want to risk your ass for it isn't that right?
What?! Okay, first, you said you "never switched to the damned hornet" and now your saying you did. And why not tommorow? Because that's when the Navy called me and told me that they'll be sending me to training at RTC Navsta Great Lakes. I already passd my ASVAB. You are very stupid.
why not 6 years ago? and i did not switch to the hornet in 2006, pay attention man, in 1995 i was up for shore duty, and i decided i wanted to try out the hornet cause i heard a lot of good things about them so i accepted an assignment to VFA-125 in lemoore ca. but the good things i heard about them was come to find out bullshit and when my shore duty was over in 1997 i went back to my tomcats
where the hell did you get that completely wrong information? 2 years is the normal rotation from one command to the next, you can of course request to be extended in that command but 2 years is normal rotation, i dont know where you are getting your information but you need to get right information before you statr calling someone a liar, unless the navy changed it since i got out it is 2 years
i think the F-18 looks like a cobra with the hood between the wings and the cockpit
MultiDas123 1 month ago
F-18E/F/G is a great fighter and bomber/ electronic warfare aircraft, f- 15 f-22 need the full upgrade. americans must understand allowing u.s.a.f top fighter to be down graded means weakening u.s of america and sec not having a2a fighter to replace nato/friends a a2a replacement hurt! putting them all in a stop jsf or f-18 updated. u.s navy use f-18 as a force multiplier. all other nations don't have 10 or 12 carriers to place them,so they need a2a fire power & range,which f-18+ is not pure a2a
hotrod4you2 2 months ago
@hotrod4you2 don't get me wrong i love f-18e/f/g & internation road map fighter sounds great . but looks like u.s could re-wing re-engine and possible thrust vectoring a number of f-15/f-16 giving them a export model replacement at a lower cost & parts interchangiable w/ those who fly f-15's? but there all ageing planes so i'm not sure?
hotrod4you2 2 months ago
F-35 FTW!
RayWilliamJonhsonFan 2 months ago
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f18 super hornet is so awesome
1airplane21 8 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 Being a big fan of the F-14, I wish I can say that the F-14 was undefeated in Air Combat. A couple were lost in the Iranian Air Force to MiG-25's I believe. But the F-14 has killed more MiG-25's then it has lost to. The F-14 was truly a wonder and a beautiful sight, and lethal killer!
amorrison1 8 months ago 2
if the FA-18 is shitty then why would the blue angels use FA-18's...
LandonGear 10 months ago
@LandonGear Far from it, who told you that??
Legendary588 2 months ago
This beannn guy is stupid the hornet can already do stuff su and migs can do but it is also more advanced
bobbyraejohnson 10 months ago
@BBEEAANN1 No in this case Spichter did not know he was being engaged, The flight did't even know untill they saw the fire ball. Know one even knew what happened untill much later after the Navy's investigation. For awhile they thought it was a SAM. Go read! SH is already in line for an engine upgrade of 20% which will put it over 1.1:1. Go read. The SH can already do most of what the SU can do in the Air Shows they perform in and with the engine upgrades and FBY upgrades, it will be right there
amorrison1 1 year ago 6
@BBEEAANN1 The MiG-25 didnt kill the F/A-18 in a dog fight. It was a simple didn't know it was there...didn't know what killed him. Old school Red Baron type kill. Had the two got into a dog fight the F/A-18 would have killed the MiG-25. The SH is an exceptional fighter. WIth some minor changes 1v1 againts any SU or MiG the SH would win.
amorrison1 1 year ago 7
@BBEEAANN1 we will talk on a message not on this page because it is better.
N1cholas240 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 Also you said the super hornet cant go mach 1. AHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH the super hornet can go mach 1.8. Also the f-16 in air to air combat simulations kicked the shit out of the f-14. Also the f-14 can pull about 7 Gs while a super hornet can pull about 7.6 Gs.
N1cholas240 1 year ago 2
@BBEEAANN1 WTF bro you are so dumb. The f-18 that was shot down was a f-18 hornet not a super hornet. Also the reason the f-14 was scrapped is because they did not want parts to go to iran. Not because is was so advanced. And dont even think the f-14 radar is more advanced then a AESA radar on a super hornet. Its co mine sense. And what makes you think f-14 is betetr then super hornet. Do you realley think the u.s. navy would replace a better jet with a carper one. NOOOO read before you talk.
N1cholas240 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 how the hell do u think u know what the navy needs?you dont ok yf 17 vs f 16 the airforce has diffrent needs than the navy kid.navy obviusly chose to get rid of the tomcat for a super hornet but mr nobody thinks he knows more than the navy.f 16 blk 50-60 vs any 4th genplane it would win in a dogfight it will whoop all over a f 14 and n f 18.use your common sense bro the tomcat is gone for a reason.it was a really good plane.and the phoenix missle isnt even that good no chance vs 120
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago 2
@BBEEAANN1 JUST ADD ME AS A FREIND AND REMEMBER THIS CONVERSATION OF OURS YOU DONT EVEN NO IF THATS REAL AND I HONESTLY CANT BELEIVE THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SPOKEN TO PILOTS FOR THE LAST FUCKEN TIME U HAVENT ALL YOU DO IS READ BS ON THE INTERNET.
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 I DONT BELEIVE THOSE DAMN ARTICLES ITS MOSTLY BS ALL THE TIME HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BELEIVE THAT IM NOT GONNA BELEIVE ANYTHING FROM YOU CLAIMING HOW BAD THE RHINO IS OK WHY???BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN TOUCHED THE REAL THING AND HAVE ASKED ALOT OF QUESTIONS TO REAL PILOTS NO REAL PILOTS OK AND THEY TELL ME OTHERWISE OK.ADD ME AS A FREIND AND IMMA POST A VID WITHA PILOT OK.HAHAH I DONE ARGUING WITH YOU U OBVIUSLY U RATHER BELEIVE INTERNET THAN REAL LIFE LIKE U NO EVERYTHING ABOUT THE RHINO
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 THATS JUST A STUPID WEBSITE THAT SAIS THERE STUPID OPINION YOUR NOT GOIB=NG TO GET EVER FACT FROM THE INTERNET STUPID FUCK THERE SUCH THING AS CLASSIFIED THATS HOW PEOPLE GET BRAINWASHED
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 are you kidding me!!!now i know your bullshitting the rhino can fly 40% farther than the legacy hornet carry way more fuel you stupid idiot how are you going to tell me that.for the last time dont beleive everything you hear from forums ok. u DONT NO SHIT thats the damn biggest lie ever ok.u no what add me as a freind imma go talk to real navy pilots and record put it on youtube k
the legacy hornet beats rhino HAHAHAHAH your just a rhino hater N U BELEIVE LIES DOUBT U SPOKEN 2 REAL
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 yes i can explain first of all the legacy hornet is NOT A RHINO!!there are completly diffrent planes.ok get that through your head.the rhino is far better than thelegacy hornet.it wasnt the legacy hornet that replaced the tomcat but the superior super hornet ok.u dont even no what happened it could of been a 1000 posiblities why that happened awacs error,pilot error etc.u dont even no the complexity of air combat im done aurguing with u i get my info from REAL pilots not fake shit.
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 let me ezplain a real combat senario for u ok.in bvr combat its all about RADAR AND MISSLES.the rhino would track tomcat before.the tomcatcats phoenix missle wouldnt be good against a high g manouvering airplane,aim 120 would almost garantee a kill on the tomcat so basically the rhino won already.now if were talking about WVR guns only the tomcat would have the edge but,aim 9x with the rhinos HMD MEANS offfboreshot capability in a dogfight no chance for the tomcat.
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 yes i can say the rhino(not legacy hornet)is a better aircraft.1.AESA RADAR 2.aim 120+aim 9x 3.HMD 4.far better maintanace FAR BETTER!! can perform multiple missions in one day with more combat ready airplanes.The Super Hornet cost per flight hour is 40% of the F-14 Tomcat and requires 75% less labor hours per flight hour.5.can hold AOA LONGER THAN TOMCAT(fact)5.what more do i need to say the navy was smart on getting rid of the tomcat.and dont tell me the phoenix is equal with 120.
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 dude shut up already the 14s gone and there nothing u can do about it u get over it.the super hornet is far better.i have spoken to REAL pilots and they told me the tomcat was great but the super hornet is better.and i can give you a trillion reasons why the super hornet is better.
oTECHNETIUMo 1 year ago
@BBEEAANN1 Firts offf The f-14 RCS is 25 m2 the f-18 super hornet rcs is 0.1m2. The super hornet is stealthilyish. A f-14 was shot down over iraq by a SAM. And the f-18 super hornet has a much more advanced cockpit with up to date computers. The f-14 uses old vacume wires to gather info witch is very outdated. Also the f-18 super hornet can mount aim-120 missiles while the f-14 never was able to get them. Ans the f-18 super hornet has a AESA radar while the f-14 has a normal Pulse doppler radar.
N1cholas240 1 year ago
Please for the love of God use a different song!
88Mobius 1 year ago
id like to see a SU-27 maneuver like this with this load, i love the hornet, damn good fighter!
angryace13 1 year ago
kill this song, please. makes me wanna kill myself
SerratedEdges1 1 year ago
why this fucking song again???? fucking hang me
cott10r 1 year ago
Super Hornets suck. F-14 is better.
HornetSUCKSForever 1 year ago
@HornetSUCKSForever F-14 blows. Super hornet is the best.
N1cholas240 1 year ago
This is amazing. This aircraft does not have thrust vectoring or canards but achieve such high AOA even at high speeds.
aeroshark1 1 year ago
Nice copy of my initial title, lol!;)
Great video from you as well, but this doesn't seem to be the real 6500 pounds external stores demo!:D
Good montage though!;)
Maverickf22flyer 1 year ago
why do all of you put gay topgun music in these videos? top gun is gay
RockinHeliboy 1 year ago
Yes the Super Hornet is a really capable bird. I cant wait until VFA-2 changes to the Block II Super Hornet. It means we get the APG-79 AESA radar
LtGeraldRyans 1 year ago 2
@LtGeraldRyans Will the Block II also get the 26,000 lbs thrust engines as well?
rampking1 1 year ago
The pitch authority of this plane is rediculous! Who needs forward canards anyway!...
bujoun76 1 year ago
now can we get back to the person who posted this video? there is not 6,500 pounds on this jet
TheScrumpty 1 year ago
You guys are fucking jokes. FACT is, Super Hornet is more newer and advanced, but it still CAN'T do the important things that the Tomcat did. The carriers should have kept at least a squadron on deck, you NEVER know what will happen. It seems that "NEW TECHNOLOGY" is all thats up people's ass nowadays. You can't blame the Tomcat for being unreliable airframe after 36 years of being the "Tip of the Spear" and glorious service!! The F-14 has proved itself WAY longer than the Hornet!
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 2 years ago
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SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
@xTomcatsForeverVF84x Well you have no idea what technology could do to save your life. Sure the Tomcat was a great fighter. But did it have the equipment to increase the situational awareness of the Pilot and RIO? Did it have the AESA radar to also increasingly dramatically improve the Situational awareness of the pilot and RIO/WSO?
p.s Have you seen the Super Hornet do a maneuver resembling the cobra?
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
The equipment it had for SA was sufficient enough for the Tomcat and its pilots. NEVER had any pilot complained about the Tomcats SA. I'm pretty sure the IRIAF had worse SA than the Navy pilots, but they still came out on top of the Iraqi Air Force. In fact, the IRIAF lost training in the Tomcat after the fall of the Shah, so they had to fly on their own will and training.
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 2 years ago
@xTomcatsForeverVF84x You know your history very well! Well the F/A-18F and the Tomcat are two very comparable aircraft. But I personally like them both because both of my uncles flew them both. So I can't really say anything. But I personally like the Super Hornets. I would take them on a dogfight. But I really couldn't say anything bad about the SH. Its low speed maneuverability is unbelievable. It has a pretty big payload, and the JHMCS. But if I were to intercept a bomber, I would pick F-14
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
Well thank you =) Yes, I can say you are right! Both are top of the line fighters even though the Tomcat isn't with us anymore. But fighter spirit is still in the minds of former Tomcat pilots as well as on the decks of carriers. And to answer your question, no I haven't seen the cobra from a SH. Personally, I think that the cobra should be a Russian thing with its fighters because it originated there.....the Pugachev (Cobra) Maneuver.
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 2 years ago
The F-18E was going to be equipped with the AESA radar. Between an APG-71 and an APG-79 I would chose the APG-79 anytime baby..
The AMRAAM C-7 and AMRAAM D have significantly better range than older AMRAAMs and the AIM-54 was old and not reliable anymore. The AIM-54 was designed to kill bombers, not fighters and the threat of bombers is not significant now.
The 18E has a much smaller frontal RCS. The F-14 with its very large RCS has become too vulnerable.
Plus the F-14 had no JHMCS/9X.
Battery9876 2 years ago
the AIM-54 was designed to kill cruise missiles/bombers/fighters/cargo planes/ ect, if it flew the AIM-54 was the one missile that could deal with it, and one thing that is ridicoulous to say is that an F-14 is vulnerable, yes it had a large RCS but it was also the most or the second most capable fighter jet till its retirement, a vulnerable aircraft cant turn and kill you, the tomcat was more than capable of doing just that and it did have JHMCS/9X, in tomcats case it was called RIO
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty What the heck are you talking about? Your only vulnerable when you do the Cobra if your untrained like you do. But the very well trained US Navy aviators like my uncle who are battle hardened could perform the cobra only if you are going so fast, you have no time to think. In a Super Hornet, you can only do the cobra maneuver if your descending down 45 degrees, and full military power, or full throttle. And if the AIM-54 was powerful, then why didn't the Navy score kills with it?
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
lets analize that for a second the cobra manuever, pointing your nose at very high AOA, while cutting your throttle to almost flight idle, airspeed drops to nearly zero, all energy gone point the nose back down to regain energy before crashing, yes that most certainly sounds like a perfect strafing target to me, and i am far from untrained however i am nowhere close to being current on any training these days
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty You just don't want to admit that the Super Hornet is EQUAL to the Tomcat. And the Cobra maneuver in the F/A-18E/F is hard...obviously. You go full military throttle, descend down 45 degrees angle, and pull up. And with the SH, there's no need for visual identification. We have whats called an AESA. It's a radar that can tell from friend or foe. Really. It's true. And the the JHMCS, so will the RIO look at the target from behind and tell the pilot to shoot, and shoot it?
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
equal to tomcat??????????ha not likely at all, i know what aesa is and if i am not mistaken we have had IFF on our planes for decades now and as far as the cobra maneuver goes it is good for airshows but if there is cloudcover a hammerhead is far more useful
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty Yeah right. You are really ignorant. With the JHMCS, you can litterally look at the enemy, even if its behind your plane, and it will lock on, and shoot it down. It's been proven in testing.
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
in testing??????????????
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
and the reason more targets were not shot down with pheonix was simple, congress required all branches of our service to physically identify all potentian hostile targets before engaging in BVR combat, i know it sounds stupid, but that is the way it is, those restrictions were only to be rescinded in the event of an escalating crisis, and the military would have to be at DEFCON 2 for those policies to change
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
Those are the same restrictions flown to this date in combat, wtf, you were never a pilot scrumpty, we are not talking about vietnam here, in desert storm those same ROE were followed even at 20 nm, it didnt matter if it was 100 nms away, the same roe's were followed, dont use that as an excuse.
MetaliCanuck 2 years ago
The AMRAAM is much better against manoeuvering aircraft, no comparison, and the AMRAAM can also take out large targets.
The tomcat has never been armed with 9X/JHMCS.
Battery9876 2 years ago
how can i get you and others to understand, with pheonix the target aircraft did not have time to manuever?? and even if they did the lethal radius of the missile's warhead would not allow the target plane to get away anyway and i was being sarcastic meaning i would rather trust the eyes and ears of my RIO than some fancy helmet called JHMCS that is why i said tomcats had JHMCS and we called them our RIO's
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
Another thing is that the AIM-54 missiles started to have serious maintenance problems. They were not very reliable anymore.They have to canabilize on some of the missiles to fix problems of the rocket.
The AIM-54 is completly outdated, probably not very hard to jam compared to a late block AMRAAM.
When the USN took the decision to retire the F-14, they knew the AESA of the F-18 and the AIM-120C-7/D were under way.
And I'd take a JHMCS/9X over the RIO's eyes any time baby..
Battery9876 2 years ago
there very well could have and i am saying COULD HAVE been new problems with the rocket motors, but does anyone think that the tomcat could not carry and fire the AIM-120 also? and what part of home on jam is not understandable by anyone here? and when will all of you realize the navy did not decide to take the hornet over the tomcat the hornet was mandated and that JHMCS well what are you supposed to do if that thing goes down in the middle of a fight i would rather have a RIO
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
The AIM-54 is completly outdated. It would have required a significant upgrade, that means a lot of investment for a missile that could only be carried by the F-14. The missile would have been very expensive too.
And why have a super tomcat with AMRAAMs when the F-18 can shoot the AMRAAM already at max range?
When they decided to go with the F-18E the engine was available and most of the avionics. On the contrary it was a very good deal.
Battery9876 2 years ago
whoa stop you are not really trying to compare the pheonix missile to the amraam are you, i am a huge fan of the amraam it is as good as can be expected from an air to air missile, but it is not even close to being in the same league as the pheonix, the amraam was a necessary replacement for the sparrow whaich was for all purposes a dud, it missed more than it hit, but even so the amraam is not a replacement for the pheonix just like the hornet is not a replacement for the tomcat
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
Except that an updated missile would have cost like 3 million, plus the R&D cost.
New F-14s would have cost well over 100 million for an aircraft with the RCS of a house and significantly less manoeuvrability.
The F-18E with its reduced RCS and improved AMRAAMs (C-7, D) and AESA can do the same job at a fraction of the cost.
Battery9876 2 years ago
actually the projections of the quickstrike upgrade was projected to be at about 55 million per plane about 20 million less than super hornet, and tomcat has never been less manueverable than hornet, the pheonix upgrade had already been r&d'ed, and was already paid for, and as good as the AMRAAM is it can not compare to pheonix and the per missile cost of pheonix was not to be 3 million it was to be about 1.2 million and AESA is not as good as APG-71 let alone what quickstrike was to have
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty Look, both my uncles used to fly an F-14 for 8 years, then flied an F/A-18F for 3 years, then go stationed in Washington as an administrative position, and my uncle is an F/A-18E pilot. So I can't say anything bad about the two aircraft. Dick Cheney only halted the production of F-14's. Not because he hated it, but because he had too. He didn't want to, but the economy was so bad back then, they didn't have enough money. And the SH is expensive, but why'd they make it?
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
Because in the 90's, the economy was at best, so they could make a new aircraft. Expensive, but affordable. But why make an inferior aircraft? We're not dumb people. And advanced technology could make the mission of whatever, easier, and faster. America could make a really long-range missile, but how accurate and expensive could it be? But its pretty obvious that the developers of the F/A-18 got some ideas from the F-15, and F-16.
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
What version of the AIm-54 are you talking about, the AIM-54C ECCM/sealed? That missile is not nearly as advanced as the AMRAAM, especially the latest iteration.
The AIM-54 used to cost about 1 million in the 80, now it would cost 2-3 million sure. The AMRAAM is mass produced, you can probably get like 4 AMRAAMs for the same cost.
There was a program in the 90' called AAAM to replace the AIM-54 and arm the F-15 as well but it was cancelled because of the end of the cold war.
Battery9876 2 years ago
The AAAM was cancelled long before its development was finished.
Concerning AESA radars, I'd take an AESA any day compared to the APG-71. Better discrimination, impossible to detect and jam, better a/g resolution.
The combination of the F-18E's low RCS and LPI AESA radar makes it a deadly combination.
The quickstrike F-14 was not stealthy at all.. little problem with SAMs.. Any NEW F-14 would have cost well over 100 million.
It would have been a better idea to go for a naval F-22 instead...
Battery9876 2 years ago
and no matter what you are saying the truth is that AESA is not the end all be all of radars, yes it is very good, and AMRAAM is also very good, but they can not do what APG-71 and pheonix can do, and unless they can, not only the navy but our country got shafted because dick cheney want to have a temper tantrum
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty And you don't get the point do you? The F-14 Tomcat was FEARED and RESPECTED by our enemies. And respected as in "oh wow, that's one good looking plane! Respect!". And feared as in "Oh wow, that plane looks like it's going to shoot the sh*t out of me! I'm feared!". And so is the F/A-18E/F. And why didn't the enemies in Vietnam (the F-14 was a patrolling at the time) and Iraq mess with the US Navy? Because of the F/A-18C and F-14. And the F/A-18E/F is also feared and respected.
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
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@TheScrumpty you think the navy wasn't asking for a new fighter when the only reason the F14s could beat the migs was because of our better trained pilots. With the legacy fighters now on the same playing field or even inferior to the newest SU class russian jets, we need newer better planes. We need to stay ahead and whether or not the military is asking for it, politicians must make sure we are staying one, or in the raptors case, several steps ahead of the enemy.
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago 4
@TheScrumpty There's several good reasons that the APG-71 was retired. Let's just start off that it was an easy radar to jam.
JayStevens3 1 year ago
every radar on the planet can be jammed, and usually one is just as easy as the next, but the quickstrike and the tomcat 21 was not going to have the apg-71 alone and the radar that was supposed to be implemented in the quickstrike and tomcat 21 could not be implemented by the superhornet due to the size restriction of the generators the hornet has to work with
TheScrumpty 1 year ago
@TheScrumpty The quickstrike and Tomcat 21 was too expensive for the Navy. It's simple.
JayStevens3 1 year ago
@TheScrumpty Sure. But the F-14's radar seems to be the easiest in the modern day to jam.
sikorsky158 1 year ago
@sikorsky158 Hmm, I won't say that.
LtGeraldRyans 1 year ago
@sikorsky158 yes you are right the AWG-9 radar in the F-14/A's and B's did ultimately become to easy to jam, but this was not from the radars inability to do it's job, the AWG-9 should have been replaced long ago before it was allowed to stagnate by politicians, but the APG-71 is not an easy radar to jam, but again it can be jammed like any other radar on the planet
TheScrumpty 1 year ago
@Battery9876 I have a question, why are we comparing outdated retired materials to present-day material?
JayStevens3 1 year ago
@TheScrumpty Oh would you stop with the whole RIO/JHMCS thing?? They don't do the same thing. And if the Navy 'did not want the Super Hornet', then why didn't they petition against it? Because they all seem to like the Super Hornet. There's even alot of guys who would prefer the Super Hornet over the Tomcat. Why did the Navy choose the Super Hornet? Because it met all their strike fighter needs. And what's a Navy without a multi-role aircraft? The Super Hornet excel's in all mission platforms.
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
first off the navy did petition against hornet back in 1981 before original hornet but after it was forced on the navy it did in fact turn into a credible strike fighter as you have already indicated and the navy seen it would be an excellent replacement for the A-7, and A-4's, but they never wanted it to replace the A-6 or
F-14, and now they have been ordered to replace them all with hornet, i cant believe you dont see how this weakened our once proud and deadly navy
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@xTomcatsForeverVF84x Then whats the point of the tip of the spear when theres no handle?
JayStevens3 2 years ago
That kind of statement you just made has no point.....generally speaking from all F-14 pilots and Navy personal as well as the Tomcat pilots I met, they all said that the F-14 was the top premier fighter of the Navy until its retirement. "Tip of the Spear" came in the Kosovo war when VF-41 F-14's proved themselves among all other fighters in the theatre in bombing, recon, and CAP missions over Bosnia.
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 2 years ago
BS BS BS BS BS the f14 was let go because it was loosing way too fucking much in mock combat against F15s, f16s, and f18s. Thats the reason for its demise.
MetaliCanuck 2 years ago
Your choice, if you like the APG-79 radar with only around 100 built that doesn't have the capability to track 24 targets, then that's your opinion. I'd still take the APG-71 that can track 24 targets. AIM-54 not reliable? The IRIAF scored around 70 plus kills with the Phoenix. You "new technology lovers" think that is isn't reliable because that there wasn't anything to kill with it. If long range bomber threats became present to the fleet, then the AIM-54 would still do the job hands down.
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 2 years ago
Well, I don't think thats necessarily true. If they successfully killed its targets with the phoenix, how come the AIM-54 was shot against MIG-25's in 1999, and scored no kills? You should see the SH do a cobra. I think it's hard for the pilots to do, because it doesn't have thrust vectoring. But because of the design, its pretty possible. But I think that the new technology could be a lifesaver. Don't get me wrong. But because of its on board computers, its easier for the engines 2 go suprsonic
SuperHornetsVFA41 2 years ago
do you know that in a dogfight the cobra manuever is a completely useless manuever and does exactly one thing, exposes your entire back to machine guns fire, or belly depending on where the enemy aircraft is at, and with the makeup of the bullets in todays guns in aircraft it takes exactly one bullet to blow that beautiful cobra performing fighter out of the sky,
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
and by the way thank you
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
now back to this video i dont know who put it up here on youtube but it does not have 6,500 pounds loaded on it
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
Think they must have included the weight of the pilot. lol Fatties!
woodstockutube 2 years ago
good point, hornet and superhornet pilots tend to have really big heads thinking that plane is the end al be all and the culmination of fighter jet design, i think they should have picked a fighter jet to latch that claim to though
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
As a civilian "people mover" pilot for 12 years and having never had the opportunity to fly an airplane as capable and gravity defying as ANY true fighter jet, I question the validly of any claimed aviator that denies such a chance because of perceived lesser performance over another fighter jet and not something legitimate like a safety issue. How many pilots have this opportunity, and he claims he turned it down? Oh well, I think we've run him off...
guzcaptain 2 years ago
run me off ha ha not likely i did not know i had to ask permission from any of you guys to go out of town for a weekend of fun with my family sorry i will ask permission next time, yeah right, look i flew the hornet for 2 years i did not like it so when the tomcat was getting retired i had no desire to transition to the superhornet i think that is enough said, i did not like the hornets performance characteristics, and had no reason to think superhornet would be any better
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
You are NOT A PILOT. You have never shown me proof after I asked you. You are just another tomcat fangay that hates on other fighters other than that piece of shit F-14. Chances are you were never a pilot, you are not 41, you know NOTHING of the F-18's capability, and even if you were in the navy, you most likely got fired for being stupid, not retired.
Just stop pretending. We all know you're not a pilot.
Tomcatsux4ever 2 years ago
one last time i dont care what you believe but you are right about one thing here and one thing only, i am not a pilot anymore, i dont have to prove a damned thing to you or anyone else nor will i, take me at my word, or dont, either way i dont care one bit, but you continually repeating your drivel does not make what you say the truth even if you spew it a million times makes it no more true than the first time you said it, now can we talk about planes? there still is not 6,500 pounds on this1
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty No. You were NEVER a pilot. PERIOD. N-E-V-E-R. And besides, the Navy like the Super Hornet over the Tomcat.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
you really dont get it do you, the navy never wanted the hornet it was forced on the navy, the navy wanted the d model tomcats and then the quickstrike tomcats and ultimately the tomcat 21
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty FORCED?!!?!?! The Navy didn't want anymore Tomcats you dumbhorn. The Navy wanted the E/F Super Hornets. I know more than you do. Don't test me. I have a habit of pissing people off.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
what the hell is a dumbhorn? who talks like that?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
yes forced, the navy never wanted the hornet, but it still needed a replacement for it's aging A-7's and remaining phantoms that were still flying off 2 of our carriers and since the A-12 program was cancelled and they were saddled with the hornet they made the best out of it as they could, which i do have to admit the navy has done remarkedly well with the hornets givin the shortcommings and inferiorities of the airframe, i would have to say it is almost adequate
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
the super hornets were actually natural progression of the design and since the navy was already saddled with them, well you get the rest, so you want to believe that you know more than me huh, well it is your right to believe whatever you want, it still dont make it true, test you? i dont test anyone, and there is no way you can piss me off, i am retired, did my time, i spend most of my time fishing and relaxing i dont let anyone piss me off these days
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty Too bad you weren't retired 20 years!!!
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
i have been retire for 4 years, almost, and i do my share of fishing and other things, i am fine with how things turned out, i wish they could have been different but we dont always get what we want out of life and sometimes things are out of your hands but i am good with it when are we gonna start talking about the video here now?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty Well, again. Too bad you weren't retired 20 years!!
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
well thinking about that if i had retired 20 years ago i would have been flying phantoms, and maybe had a few years in those marvelous tomcats before having to retire i got to say i think that would have sucked
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty Well do you know what happens when you retire 20 years?
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
yes i do, you get a massive party, and get presented with a formal medal display with all the medals and ribbons you earned during your career, and an officers sword with an american flag also folded in a display box why?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty Haha. This just proves you had never had any military experiance.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
oh this bullshit again here you go BLAH BLAH BLAH THATS YOUR FUCKING ANSWER NOW CAN WE GET BACK TO THE VIDEO?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
You couldnt even answer a simple question that ALL service members should know from the start of their "career" which they don't call that by the way. We'll get back to the video only if you admit that you are not a real pilot or had any military experiance.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
so let me understand this correctly. you want me to lie to everyone here to stroke your ego since you have always thought something that is true is not true? and for what purpose? do you really believe that others will think you are dominate over me? well dude i guess we wont be talking about airplanes then because i will not lie for you or anyone else, and i have known since i was 12 i was going to have a career in the navy and yes we did call it a career who are you by the way
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
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TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
ha ha ha i thought you said you had a habit of pissing people off whats wrong? did ya bite off a bit more than you can chew?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
are you the next superhornettv or flyboy or hornetsforever or oh hell i cant remember all the ones who have tried this on me but i will remember that you will be the last, you are so pathetic that you even made up a screen name with my screen name being a part of it jesus man you could not even come up with your own?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
by the way whoever put this video on here really should not have used music that will forever be linked with the tomcat in my oppinion
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
and no one has yet to show me where there is close to 6,500 pounds loaded on this jet
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
And don't even google this question.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
why not just come out and say it man? would your mommy not like you typing fuckyou on the computer?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
google what question?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
or are you trying to say too bad i did not wait to retire till i had 20 years in? not quite understanding what you are meaning by this
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
@TheScrumpty Answer my question! Do you know what happens after you retire 20 years?!
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
since you are demanding from me i guess i get to demand from you, who are you what do you do? what give you the right to claim any expertise on this subject? the sword cuts both directions man, tell us about yourself? so i can tell everyone you are not telling the truth, and call you a liar, and a fraud? c'mon give it to us
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
Okay. Hi, I'm Mike Stevens. I am just a 24 year old male living in the outside of Norfolk NAS who's father is workingin the USS Theodore Roosevelt. I work in McDonalds in the base, and planning to enlist in the Navy in July at Great Lakes. Now you. Your turn.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
wow, oh my god. you have got to be kidding me you are worse than superhornettv and those others, you dont know shit dude and you have used up all the time i am willing to give you, you know nothing about the tomcat, nothing about the hornet, i will not give anyone my name well because i wont i am 41 years old and am a retired naval avaitor,
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
At least I'm not the one spamming real pilots comments because you disagree with them.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
at least i did not wait till i was 24 to enlist, what is wrong dude? were ya too afraid of combat that you had to wait to enlist till it was over with? you are a coward, why enlist now? and i spammed those coments cause he was calling me a faggot which i am not one of those, and whay do you think he is a real pilot anyway? what makes you take that canucks word over an americans word, and at least i did not try to avoid combat i have seen mine go dry your fucking ears you fucking wog
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
so what are you saying? you were one of the pilots who shot down those migs? oh wow. go die. and you spammed a pilots comment on a video because he was stating why the hornet is better than the tomcat.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
i NEVER said i shot down any migs, where are you getting this from? and i did not spam his comment because he said the hornet is better than the tomcat you say that and i dont spam yours i spammed his because he kept calling me a faggot and saying i like men, which is completely untrue he has the right to his oppinoin about the 2 planes i wont spam for that
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
a lot of people proved you wrong. there was that commercial airliner guy. there was that guy who said that he was an AIMD. And theres that other guy who was a former CO.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
no one has proved me wrong about anything, the commercial airliner guy yeah he has never flown either of those airframes, so he dont know jack, the squadron CO we have a difference of oppinion, that is allowed
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
and you said you were an XO. no you weren't. because no XO of both tomcat squadrons retired. they all moved up to captain. probobly one of them is a rear admiral now.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
you were not there you are taking the word of another that i have alread discredited he was never in the navy or an aimd, his tenure story completely unraveled, and going from commander to rear admiral in 4 years, i doubt that veeeery seriously, if those 3 were promoted to captain i am happy for them i guess but they are still captains
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
And you were probably that f-14 pilot who missed his target in iraq 2003 and took out friendly forces. real smooth.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
Scrumpty Ive known grown men who joined when they were 30 and saw more combat in 6 months then youll ever see you fucking piece of trash, wtf would you critisize anyones enlistment age you fucking baboon, maybe some fucking people are smart and live and learn life before signing over there fucking like to the miltary, you are a fucking fool.
MetaliCanuck 2 years ago
good for them, i doubt it, because if he were really ready to fight for the freedoms he has enjoyed up till now he would have enlisted a long time ago, and since he has not yet served he has no reason at alll to bad mouth me or my service
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
yes i spammed his comments on my page because i am not a faggot nor am i gay so yes i do wholeheartedly disagree with what he said
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
and you can't spend 17 years as a commander. really? 17 years as a commander? you should have retired at 14-15 years as an O-5 you twit.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
oh you are one of those other guys with a new name i NEVER said i was a commander for 17 years
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
i didnt say that either. you retired as commander in your "17 years".
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
yes after 17 years i had achieved the rank of commander so what?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
thats only an O-5!! 17 years?! You have got to be kidding me. Even a 2 star admiral isn't even 19 years.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
back off of this one you are waaaaaaay of base on this one no officer reaches the rank of admiral in 20 years, and i have known more than a few commanders that have been forced to retire after 24 years cause they ran out of tenure
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
oh really? then why is Rear. Admiral Annie Andrews only 18 years as a rear admiral then? you answer me that.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
18 years as a rear admiral, it took her longer than that to become one i bet
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
no. she recently became rear. adm. in '07.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
after i left but if she is a rear admiral and she has less than 25 years in it is window dressing
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
she is a captain,
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
dude i just looked her up she is a captain not an admiral, as of 2009 she is a captain
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
you know what you will find out that you rotate out of commands every 2 years unless you are involontary extended or you request to be extended, other than that it is 2 years and i am going to bed, and i do expect someday in the future that you will be an honorable man and after you find out i am right you will get on here and appologize
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
Captain? No. Thats probobly a different annie andrews. Adm. Andrews was promoted in 2007 and got stationed somewhere. i dont remember.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
it is the only annnie andrews that came up on a search, she is a captain and commanding officer of rtc in the great lakes
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
you are faar behind buddy. she WAS CO of great lakes. not anymore. it happenned in 07 or 08. she got stationed somewhere else.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
dude it said 09 she was commanding officer of rtc great lakes i will search again
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
she is still a captain and is now stationed in virgina and has been in the navy for 26 years
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
he look here is another one TomcatSucks4ever2 is doing his drive by posting and then removing them again, just letting everyone know so they dont think i am spamming him
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
yup. you say your 41. you would be married by now. and looks like you have alot of computer time on you huh commander?
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
yes i am married what is your point? and i do have as much computer time as i want
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
yup and like tomcatsux4ever said. you are 41 years old and being immature and show grammar of a teenager. you probobly go to sleep cuz u have school tommorow. boo hoo.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
i am not going down this road again, i am not nor have i ever been a fucking secretary, you dont like my grammer well i dont give a fuck, i need to get about 4 hours of sleep to make sure my kids get up and go to school not me although i have been considering going back to school
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
i bet you have never gotten close to a girl before. i almost got my girlfriend pregnant, but we remembered if we had anal. so we just stuck to blowjobs and did stuff to each other.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
well you lose that bet also i have kids and yes they are mine, what does any of this have to do with hornets or tomcats?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
besides you dont know a thing about tenure so dont even try to stand me down on this subject, you have been and still are talking about shit you have no idea what you are talking about, and quit saying i said something i never said
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
i dont know for certain he is a real pilot or not but i do know i was a real pilot and i got to fly the best piece of machinery that i think the world has ever seen, i also got to fly what i consider to be one of the worst for 2 years, but noe of that changes the fact that you are still a coward why are you joining in july? why not tommorrow? why not 4 years ago? why not 6 years ago? you want the colledge money but dont want to risk your ass for it isn't that right?
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
What?! Okay, first, you said you "never switched to the damned hornet" and now your saying you did. And why not tommorow? Because that's when the Navy called me and told me that they'll be sending me to training at RTC Navsta Great Lakes. I already passd my ASVAB. You are very stupid.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
why not 6 years ago? and i did not switch to the hornet in 2006, pay attention man, in 1995 i was up for shore duty, and i decided i wanted to try out the hornet cause i heard a lot of good things about them so i accepted an assignment to VFA-125 in lemoore ca. but the good things i heard about them was come to find out bullshit and when my shore duty was over in 1997 i went back to my tomcats
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
you cant switch squadrons you twit. BULL right here!! once youve entered a squadron, you stay there for 3 years, or quit the navy.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
where the hell did you get that completely wrong information? 2 years is the normal rotation from one command to the next, you can of course request to be extended in that command but 2 years is normal rotation, i dont know where you are getting your information but you need to get right information before you statr calling someone a liar, unless the navy changed it since i got out it is 2 years
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
no. its been 3 years ever since 1965. its all in the books!
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago
i never spent 3 years at any of my squadrons, always 2 years, you better get the right books to read
TheScrumpty 2 years ago
i am reading the books the recruiters in el cajon told me to read when i was there.
TheScrumptyisFake 2 years ago