OMG I kept watching this and that clown of an interviewer just said that B. F. Skinner's behaviourism is 'widely accepted'. I mean seriously that just takes it to a whole new level. That's like saying that the theory that the earth is flat is widely accepted. Behaviourism fell out of favour decades ago! That's it I'm done with this idiot. I'm going to sleep.
It never ceases to amaze me how massively ignorant a lot of these journalists who interview Chomsky are. These people should know something about the issues they report but instead they are just as brain washed and oblivious as the average moron walking down the street. It is sickening, journalism in the US has failed, it could not be any worse. The American public needs to completely ignore the dominant media organisations if they are to improve their nation.
Found movie Manufacturing Consent here on YouTube. Been 20 some years since I went down this road. Will watch it. Saw first five minutes and almost started laughing. Thought Chomsky was going to say Rothchilds were in all of our heads and controlling what we think. It is obvious to me that Chomsky is just pissed that he is not included in mainstream media so he wrote his book. It is just like Ayn Rand who was upset tthat the Boshevicks took over her fathers and spent her life writing cap
@JayGatsbyOdysseus No one controls what I think!!! Chomsky wants to control what you think. I spent two years in Russia. Go there if you want a controlled press. The press is not perfectly objective and without bias, but it is very free compared to the rest of teh world and we get the many sides. Not evryone can be included in the discussion,,,some must be labled crackpots,,,Chomsky has got that title of crackpot so he is not included...
@JayGatsbyOdysseus You read a thoroughly stupid "article" that suggests that because the Pentagon contracts out MIT for projects that Chomsky himself is getting paid by the Pentagon. This has mostly been made hay of by conspiracy theorists.
@JGuildersleeve OK, thanks. However, I still don't like ALL of Chomsky. He hates everything the USA and Israel do, foreign policy. USA is not all right. We have don't some bad things. Still, we have done some good, too. Chomsky just wants to be linear in his thought. He does not understand that fault is comparative not exclusive. Even if you get in a auto accident, the insurer will make percentage calculations of comparative negligence. Chomsky is like, Now USA evil!!
@JayGatsbyOdysseus Quite honestly, I don't think you have read Chomsky. In fact, he says repeatedly that he believes the US to be the freeest country in the world in many respects. His critique is not against the USA and Israel - he believes that all power has the burden to justify itself and that hardly ever can it do so and because the US happens to be the most powerful country in the world, they have the biggest burden. Furthermore, he believes himself morally responsible for US actions.
@JGuildersleeve When I read a "new" writer, I give them one chance. I read Manufacturing of Consent. I gave up Chomsky. I read Atlas Shrugged. I gave up Any Rand. I read Women by Bukowski. I gave up Bukowski. Each of these writers were presented to me to be great. Our press isn't controlled in a way to make us believe in capitalism. This is crazy. Chomsky is just pissed because he doesn't get invited onto mainstream programs. Chomsky should go back to his kibbutz
@JayGatsbyOdysseus That's fine - you don't have to read everybody but you should stop reading them on the basis of your misunderstanding of them. So, for example, Manufacturing Consent does not suggest that the press tries to "make us believe in capitalism." Rather, it says that the institutional structure of the media produces a particular product, which is amply documented and proven by the book. Maybe you can provide a quotation and demonstrate how it's wrong.
Every country in the world was established by arms and violence. Socialism does not work. It didn't work in the Soviet Union. Oh, and don't tell me this isn't socialism, that it is State-run communism or some other ism. There is german sheperd, dober pincher, beagle, poodle, there is socialism, communism, marxism, leninsm,,,a dog is a dog. Call it waht u want. Ayn Rand is stupid too,,john galt can go to hell with dagny taggart, rand is just on the other end of the spectrum
@JayGatsbyOdysseus "Don't tell me this isn't socialism" - Why, because you know that one can demonstrate that the Soviet Union was plainly not socialist and therefore it would damage the integrity of your claim? I highly suggest you actually read Marx to find out what a socialist state is supposed to look like. Once you do that you will see why the Marxists despised Lenin and why he called them a bunch of "infantile leftist" as he actively deviated from socialist principles.
@JGuildersleeve Once the head engineer came into work and said some things look great on paper but they don't work out on the shop floor. You are like John Lenon believing in Imagine. You think that a Utopian place is possible here on earth. Keep reading your fairy tales. I will go for a place like Norway where capitalism is the man and socialism is the woman, correcting the man. I can't quoate anything from M of C. been 20+ years do remember a lot of circular logic like u.
@JayGatsbyOdysseus This is a shameful and low rhetorical trick and if you had a sense of intellectual honesty you would retract it. It doesn't surprise me though because seeing as though you can't actually produce a quotation from the text you disagree with, it only follows that you should resort to constructing shameful strawmen. The only people who seem to call socialism "Utopian" are people like you. But I've never said it here and it is nothing short of cowardly to make up my argument.
@JGuildersleeve If I were stoop as low as you, I could say precisely the same thing that capitalist believe in a utopia on earth because they keep saying that the market can solve every problem. And in fact they do say this constantly. So I could (though I wouldn't) make exactly the same charge against capitalists, except in my case it would be more reasonable since capitalists in fact make these sorts of claims. But I wouldn't because it's a petty argument.
@JGuildersleeve I told you it has been over 20 years since I have read M of C, and I don't have the text to review it. I did find the movie here on YouTube. I watched the first 5 min of it and started laughing. Chomsky was some place in Wyoming acting like the Rothchilds were there censoring him. It was a hoot. Yes, you are like John Lenon who thought in Imagine that everyone could just live together on a kibbutz.. Chomsky lived on one. Why did he leave if this is what he wants?
@JGuildersleeve Yes I agree with you!!! I hate those capitalist too. They are full of bullshit. Capitalism began with slavery here in the USA. Ayn Rand is a bitch who lived on Social Security for many years in her old age. Don't you see, I don't like Marx. I don't like Ayn Rand. There needs to be a mixture. Who is successful right now? China. Over there the banking system is controled by the government. But, there is capitalism, too. We need to mix things together like Obama,,lol
This interviewer really grates on my nerves. Chomsky actually feels similarly about the mainstream "intellectual" class of the media. They should know better, and often they do, and that's why it's so annoying how they defend the establishment line.
@PurpleHoneyBear They are just massively ignorant. They've been indoctrinated with certain 'facts' about American society since childhood. It hasn't been a forced indoctrination, but it has been mostly unchallenged and that is why it is so prevalent. Thankfully, this issue is mostly isolated to the US and the rest of the world is more enlightened when it comes the actions of the US government. That gives me comfort when I see blind fools like the interviewer here.
OMG I kept watching this and that clown of an interviewer just said that B. F. Skinner's behaviourism is 'widely accepted'. I mean seriously that just takes it to a whole new level. That's like saying that the theory that the earth is flat is widely accepted. Behaviourism fell out of favour decades ago! That's it I'm done with this idiot. I'm going to sleep.
peoman2 3 weeks ago
It never ceases to amaze me how massively ignorant a lot of these journalists who interview Chomsky are. These people should know something about the issues they report but instead they are just as brain washed and oblivious as the average moron walking down the street. It is sickening, journalism in the US has failed, it could not be any worse. The American public needs to completely ignore the dominant media organisations if they are to improve their nation.
peoman2 3 weeks ago
Found movie Manufacturing Consent here on YouTube. Been 20 some years since I went down this road. Will watch it. Saw first five minutes and almost started laughing. Thought Chomsky was going to say Rothchilds were in all of our heads and controlling what we think. It is obvious to me that Chomsky is just pissed that he is not included in mainstream media so he wrote his book. It is just like Ayn Rand who was upset tthat the Boshevicks took over her fathers and spent her life writing cap
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus No one controls what I think!!! Chomsky wants to control what you think. I spent two years in Russia. Go there if you want a controlled press. The press is not perfectly objective and without bias, but it is very free compared to the rest of teh world and we get the many sides. Not evryone can be included in the discussion,,,some must be labled crackpots,,,Chomsky has got that title of crackpot so he is not included...
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago
Why does Chomsky live here in the USA? I read that he takes money from the Pentagon.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus You read a thoroughly stupid "article" that suggests that because the Pentagon contracts out MIT for projects that Chomsky himself is getting paid by the Pentagon. This has mostly been made hay of by conspiracy theorists.
JGuildersleeve 3 months ago
@JGuildersleeve OK, thanks. However, I still don't like ALL of Chomsky. He hates everything the USA and Israel do, foreign policy. USA is not all right. We have don't some bad things. Still, we have done some good, too. Chomsky just wants to be linear in his thought. He does not understand that fault is comparative not exclusive. Even if you get in a auto accident, the insurer will make percentage calculations of comparative negligence. Chomsky is like, Now USA evil!!
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus Quite honestly, I don't think you have read Chomsky. In fact, he says repeatedly that he believes the US to be the freeest country in the world in many respects. His critique is not against the USA and Israel - he believes that all power has the burden to justify itself and that hardly ever can it do so and because the US happens to be the most powerful country in the world, they have the biggest burden. Furthermore, he believes himself morally responsible for US actions.
JGuildersleeve 3 months ago
@JGuildersleeve When I read a "new" writer, I give them one chance. I read Manufacturing of Consent. I gave up Chomsky. I read Atlas Shrugged. I gave up Any Rand. I read Women by Bukowski. I gave up Bukowski. Each of these writers were presented to me to be great. Our press isn't controlled in a way to make us believe in capitalism. This is crazy. Chomsky is just pissed because he doesn't get invited onto mainstream programs. Chomsky should go back to his kibbutz
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus That's fine - you don't have to read everybody but you should stop reading them on the basis of your misunderstanding of them. So, for example, Manufacturing Consent does not suggest that the press tries to "make us believe in capitalism." Rather, it says that the institutional structure of the media produces a particular product, which is amply documented and proven by the book. Maybe you can provide a quotation and demonstrate how it's wrong.
JGuildersleeve 3 months ago
Every country in the world was established by arms and violence. Socialism does not work. It didn't work in the Soviet Union. Oh, and don't tell me this isn't socialism, that it is State-run communism or some other ism. There is german sheperd, dober pincher, beagle, poodle, there is socialism, communism, marxism, leninsm,,,a dog is a dog. Call it waht u want. Ayn Rand is stupid too,,john galt can go to hell with dagny taggart, rand is just on the other end of the spectrum
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus "Don't tell me this isn't socialism" - Why, because you know that one can demonstrate that the Soviet Union was plainly not socialist and therefore it would damage the integrity of your claim? I highly suggest you actually read Marx to find out what a socialist state is supposed to look like. Once you do that you will see why the Marxists despised Lenin and why he called them a bunch of "infantile leftist" as he actively deviated from socialist principles.
JGuildersleeve 3 months ago
@JGuildersleeve Once the head engineer came into work and said some things look great on paper but they don't work out on the shop floor. You are like John Lenon believing in Imagine. You think that a Utopian place is possible here on earth. Keep reading your fairy tales. I will go for a place like Norway where capitalism is the man and socialism is the woman, correcting the man. I can't quoate anything from M of C. been 20+ years do remember a lot of circular logic like u.
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago
@JayGatsbyOdysseus This is a shameful and low rhetorical trick and if you had a sense of intellectual honesty you would retract it. It doesn't surprise me though because seeing as though you can't actually produce a quotation from the text you disagree with, it only follows that you should resort to constructing shameful strawmen. The only people who seem to call socialism "Utopian" are people like you. But I've never said it here and it is nothing short of cowardly to make up my argument.
JGuildersleeve 3 months ago 2
@JGuildersleeve If I were stoop as low as you, I could say precisely the same thing that capitalist believe in a utopia on earth because they keep saying that the market can solve every problem. And in fact they do say this constantly. So I could (though I wouldn't) make exactly the same charge against capitalists, except in my case it would be more reasonable since capitalists in fact make these sorts of claims. But I wouldn't because it's a petty argument.
JGuildersleeve 3 months ago
@JGuildersleeve I told you it has been over 20 years since I have read M of C, and I don't have the text to review it. I did find the movie here on YouTube. I watched the first 5 min of it and started laughing. Chomsky was some place in Wyoming acting like the Rothchilds were there censoring him. It was a hoot. Yes, you are like John Lenon who thought in Imagine that everyone could just live together on a kibbutz.. Chomsky lived on one. Why did he leave if this is what he wants?
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago
@JGuildersleeve Yes I agree with you!!! I hate those capitalist too. They are full of bullshit. Capitalism began with slavery here in the USA. Ayn Rand is a bitch who lived on Social Security for many years in her old age. Don't you see, I don't like Marx. I don't like Ayn Rand. There needs to be a mixture. Who is successful right now? China. Over there the banking system is controled by the government. But, there is capitalism, too. We need to mix things together like Obama,,lol
JayGatsbyOdysseus 3 months ago
This interviewer really grates on my nerves. Chomsky actually feels similarly about the mainstream "intellectual" class of the media. They should know better, and often they do, and that's why it's so annoying how they defend the establishment line.
PurpleHoneyBear 4 months ago
@PurpleHoneyBear They are just massively ignorant. They've been indoctrinated with certain 'facts' about American society since childhood. It hasn't been a forced indoctrination, but it has been mostly unchallenged and that is why it is so prevalent. Thankfully, this issue is mostly isolated to the US and the rest of the world is more enlightened when it comes the actions of the US government. That gives me comfort when I see blind fools like the interviewer here.
peoman2 3 weeks ago
lehrer: what a twit
kelly980 8 months ago 5